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Herc Quite Enjoys The SMALLVILLE Season Premiere!!

I am – Hercules!!

I kinda got fed up with “Smallville” and stopped watching early last season when Chloe Sullivan survived a cliffhanger explosion and Lionel Luthor dodged the gas chamber and Lex was suddenly friends with Clark again, and Clark was squandering his free time playing football against humans, and Lana somehow was the one American who stumbled upon some Old World Kryptonian relics. It just got to be too much for me.

The good news for me and those like me? You don’t have to have seen any part of season four to enjoy the season-five opener. It does a swell job of catching you up on who now knows Clark is Superboy, what Chloe is doing at the North Pole, where the Lex-Clark relationship stands, and any other questions that might niggle at you.

(Although – because I saw a few early episodes of season four – I am still a little curious as to how they explained the coincidence of Clark’s Smallville classmate, Lana, being the individual who happens to come upon Europe’s Kryptonian artifacts. Not curious enough to buy or watch the season-four DVD set, mind you, but curious enough to let the talkbackers catch me up if they’ve a mind to.)

From this point forward, do take that main-page spoiler warning-box seriously, because …

With this fifth-season premiere, the show suddenly and gratifyingly embraces the goofy 1978 special-effects iconography of Richard Donner’s 1978 “Superman” movie. While Clark’s birth-dad Jor-El has always been portrayed as kinda an evil presence in “Smallville” (his voice is provided by the great Terrence Stamp, who played supervillain Zod in the Donner movie), the Fortress of Solitude is reintroduced in 5.1, and looks EXACTLY like it did in the Marlon Brando movie. The Phantom Zone returns as well, and we again get to see the faces of agonized individuals pressed up against that spinning, floating geometric space-jail window. It’s all an excuse to recreate the weird ‘70s special effects with dramatic computer-generated imagery, and it’s great fun.

Clark does not tonight fly out of his new fortress as he does in the movie. Nor does he don the blue tights. But there are arrogant Kryptonian villains dressed in black wreaking small-town havoc. And we again get to hear a little bit of John Williams’ always-welcome “Superman” movie theme.

I’m inclined to believe these nods to Donner have something to do with the fact that Bryan Singer’s upcoming “Superman Returns” feature adheres so strongly to visual elements introduced in the 1978 feature. At this year’s Comic Con in San Diego, we heard Singer tell the thousands gathered that he and the producers of “Smallville” were sharing information about their respective projects. It seemed odd at the time, because the TV continuity and the movie continuity don’t – and can’t -really match up, but Singer’s comments do make more sense after you’ve seen both the “Superman Returns” footage screened at Comic Con and “Smallville” 5.1.

Lois Lane is now a regular character, with E.N. Durance’s pretty face newly wedged between those of Michael Rosenbaum and Allison Mack in the main title sequence.

We learn in the credits – the ones subsequent to the “Somebody Save Me” song - that “Buffy” vet James Marsters, who embodies the evil living computer Brainiac this season, appears in tonight’s opener, but I wish someone had arranged to reposition his credit to show’s end – or eliminate it entirely. Marsters’ is not a speaking part this week, and he only appears in the episode’s closing seconds. His nifty entrance would have had far more impact if we weren’t anticipating him all episode.

Herc’s rating for “Smallville” 5.1?


The Hercules T. Strong Rating System:
***** better than we deserve
**** better than most motion pictures
*** actually worth your valuable time
** as horrible as most stuff on TV
* makes you quietly pray for bulletins

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  • Sept. 29, 2005, 2:57 a.m. CST

    So after 4 years of AICN neglect...

    by -Halfscan-

    Smallville adds a Buffy Alumn and 'now' it's worth watching?? I agree about S4 being "too much" (I only made it halfway through the season before I decided to drop Smallville all-together), but damn if this sudden about-face isn't comedy gold. -Half

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 3:10 a.m. CST

    I've said nice things about Smallville before.

    by Hercules

    A bunch. Just type "Smallville" into that AICN seach box.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 3:19 a.m. CST

    season 4 is dumb but you might as well watch it

    by Krangelus

    the start of season 4 is dumb, and some episodes are just painful to watch, (the haloween episode "Spell" for instance), but you might as well watch it. Hopefully the people who make the show people learned their lesson.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 4:12 a.m. CST


    by jedimast3r

    Yes I agree. Allison Mack is amazing and I hope she finds work after this undoubtedly-last Season. Smallville is quite horrible.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 4:28 a.m. CST

    "Smallville" is mediocre, and series III and IV were horrid...

    by SalvatoreGravano

    ...but there were many much worse series. Once I managed to watch about 5 minutes of one episode from a truly wretched drivel named "Scruffy", and compared to THAT, "Smallville IV" was "The Simpsons". Kreuk, however, is indefensible, and she is just as bad as, I recall, the "lead" from Scruffy was.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 4:39 a.m. CST

    Yes, there are some dumb things that go down on the show, but it

    by Shermdawg

    One thing that always bothers me though, is that Lex lives in that huge freakin mansion ( Isn't that the X-mansion? ) and he's always in the study. During the season finale after my wife killed Dr.Quinn, she and Lex go back to the mansion, she still has blood on her hands, instead of letting her use his bathroom (one of many I'd imagine) she washes them off in a bowl of water. Where? In his study!

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 4:41 a.m. CST

    Herc's Two Deaths

    by supertoyslast

    I'm in the UK so haven't seen who Herc's Two Deaths were. Herc said that two characters died in the same show at the end of last season. Although most people missed it he said that all would become apparent at the beginning of this season (note: the beginning of this season and not a show returning mid-season like 24). So does anyone yet know which show it was and who died? Thanks.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 6:04 a.m. CST

    The Blog

    by jedimast3r

    Wait, did you even see any of the snippets in the ComiCon blog? The clips of Clark falling thru the barn loft and not hitting the floor...the beautiful shot of Superman strolling up to Lois on the roof, then taking off effortlessly...I about shit myself when I saw them, because I was all ready to jump on the "I hate Singer cause he's the reason X3 will be screwed" bandwagon. Then I saw those clips of the kent farm and Clark in his glasses, Singer might actually smack this one out of the park like X1/X2!

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Maybe this season will be better

    by spider-ham

    Season 4 of Smallville was horrible. I kept on tuning in every so often hoping it would improve but the show never did. Well, thats not entirely true. The season finale was pretty good. If you ignore the fact that Lex doesn't seem to have a bathroom. Guess he ripped it out to put in that safe. That said, I'm going to catch the opener. If only because I get to watch it in HD this season. As for the Singer movie, I've seen all the clips and photos and it still looks like its going to suck. I really don't see why anyone is even giving that film any positive hype.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 6:49 a.m. CST

    Battlestar Galactica: Season 2.0 DVD 20th December 2005

    by Baltar What the .... ?

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Herc, for once I have to agree with you

    by lostbat

    Last season was horrible. At the end of the season it got better. Let's see what happens this season.Anyway I'll keep being deeply dissapointed in you about your ignorance towards Prison Break and your opinion about "Bones" (it's sooo bad...) And for your info: Supernatural 303 directed by: Kim Manner with Amy Acker. was for me the best episode until now (which doesn't mean it was good). But you could have mentioned it...... I know you can't watch them all..... but sometimes...........

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Thank GOD a Buffy alumnus joined "Smallville!"

    by TheImperialGuy

    FINALLY I can read about my favorite TV show on my favorite website! It's been, what, two years since Herc ended the "Smallville" talkbacks (I don't remember what the reason was). But I knew the second James Marsters was cast as Brainiac we'd be seeing a lot more "Smallville" goodness in Coax. Although, this was shocking to see this posting this morning because I didn't expect to see anything until episode 5.4, which I thought was going to be Brainiac's first appearance. In all fairness, though, Herc is absolutely RIGHT about season 4. Terrible, terrible season. And Herc, for the record, it was NEVER, EVER described how Lana just so happened to have been the one to discover the Kryptonian artifact. It made absolutely no sense... much like Lana turning into a witch off and on all last season and Buffy being The Chosen One. Just kidding about that last part.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 7:37 a.m. CST

    Said it before and I'll say it again..Oh and Herc?

    by Yeti

    It's a dumb show (then again the whole Superman premise is dumb as well when you really consider it) That being said Smallville is very entertaining even when it's eye-rolling-ly bad. There's a "feel-good" vibe to it that I clicks with me. Looking forward to Season 5. I'm surprised at how well the producers and writers keep continuity going (I stoped watching the show after Season 2, got hooked again for Season 4 so watched Season 3 on DVD. Herc, you may want to watch Season 4 as stuff that happens does have a tendency to come up again in later eps and seasons)

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 7:45 a.m. CST

    This show is soooo infuriating...

    by TempusFugitive

    From one episode to the next, it varies so widely on the quality-o-meter. The season 3 finale, with the montage of cliffhangers while Lionel shaves his head to a swelling score left me excited about the prospect of a new season. But more often than not, season 4 was a disappointment. A fun episode here and there, smothered liberally with Lana-as-reincarnated-witch bullshit. Please, someone, gift Kristin with some acting lessons!

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 7:48 a.m. CST

    Yay, "Smallville" Talkback!

    by viola123

    Thank you, Herc! And for the review as well. I can't wait for the premeire, and I think this is a perfect time for you (and others) to start watching again (or at least keeping your eye on it) because I really believe it - I believe this year is going to be the best yet. Last year, the show may have lost its focus somewhat but the story regarding the three stones - that got us to this point, so I suppose that's a good thing. The finale was so wonderful and this being essentially part II of that, I have no doubt that it's much of the same. *squee*, I can't wait! I can't wait to see Lex and see where he is, and when he sees Lana again. What will he say? What of Clark and Lana? Clark and Chloe? (I can't wait for their conversation.) The relationships on "Smallville" make up its strength and it's really my favorite part. I'm hoping the show returns to them, and from the spoilers, that certainly seems to be the case. Yay! Clark and his family and friends and enemies. All that, and James Marsters too, *squee again!* I mean, my gosh, this is seriously the season we've been waiting for: Lex and Lana, Metropolis, Clark in training, Lex spiraling, and... Spike! Thank you, creators. Very nice! I think "Smallville" is going to win back its viewers with S5. It's gonna be a great season, everyone - I know it. Thanks again, Herc! Woohoo, "Smallville" Talkback!

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 8:52 a.m. CST

    No more "Lana the Witch" episodes

    by Jeditemple

    Season 4 pretty much killed things for me, but I'll give this new direction a chance. As long as they show the chicks in skimpy outfits, while leaving out the stupid "wire fu" Lana crap.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:12 a.m. CST

    "Niggle?" You went with "niggle" on that one, huh?

    by Cletus Van Damme

  • He already did - it premiered last Sunday. If I remember correctly, he did see the first episode last year and absolutely hated it. I agree with Greatn, Smallville does always have a strong premiere. Every season I watch the first dozen or so episodes, lose interest, then catch the last 3 or 4 just to see how things end up.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:24 a.m. CST


    by supertoyslast

    I agree that C4 screwed up Smallville. I only watched it on and off, but really wanted to see the first episode of season 4 after Herc's description of it. I think season 4 was on E4 but not C4. But I've long ago given up on British terrestrial channels treating American shows right. Just look at Arrested Development! (If you can get BBC2).

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Battlestar ends, this begins

    by BurlIvesLeftNut

    Yeah for me. Sorry some of you hate this show. I love it.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:37 a.m. CST

    "High school lasting forever is fine and dandy I guess with stuf

    by Capt. Murphy

    Apparently not a viewer, since they're not in high school this season, they graduated last season, after 4 years of high school. I had originally heard the show was supposed to go for 5 seasons, but I dunno if that's still in the cards.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:40 a.m. CST

    As Dumb as this show is

    by Jake Timmons08

    it's still entertaining. I can't stop watching it. The only one on this show that can act is Lex. The stories normally looked like someone retarded wrote them, but I still can't stop watching.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 10:04 a.m. CST

    No Flights, No Tights, No Superman

    by Nivek666

    I never understood how this show can last for so long being a crappy Roswell-meets-Superboy (without costume) spin with lame Kryptonite powered Villians. The should just give him the suit (better make sure the colors are right so its not like Singers "Nontraditional" costume), and have him fly around. I stopped watching this show about 3 episodes into the 2nd season and dropped it.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Guilty Pleasures....

    by Pogue__Mahone

    I agree. As much ridiculous stuff they throw at us (Wire Fu Witches etc.) there's always that one little thing they throw out every now and then that gets geeks like me goin', 'Shit, yeah!' And if I were to miss it I'd be bummed. My friends and I watch the show and groan half the time and say 'That was RETARDED!'.... but do we miss an episode? Nope. Not at all. Even at it's worst, Smallville is exactly what it's supposed to be. An hour of pure unadulterated escapist fun. I'm looking forward to where they're going with this season... I really am!

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 10:39 a.m. CST

    How to watch a season of SMALLVILLE

    by SpyGuy

    As the season starts, definitely watch the opener and the next couple afterward that resolve dangling story arc issues. By the fourth episode, there should be a character from DC Universe appearing (last year was The Flash, this year it's Aquaman). After this, stop watching until the middle of the season when one or two really good episodes mysteriously turn up. Stop watching again until the last three episodes of the season, which are usually must-see. Spend summer vacation watching downloaded DOCTOR WHO or BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, rinse and repeat in the Fall, provided the series gets renewed for Season 6.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Still Say this show would have been a good 3-season show

    by Drath

    I'll bet if you take this show when it's done and condense it into three seasons worth of episodes, you'd have a decent Superman show. Sometimes I wish Network TV allowed for planned shorter runs. Of course that'll never happen because they wouldn't make as much money off of a shorter run.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Greatn, Spyguy, try the new Smallville Drinking Game

    by Yeti

    Everytime someone on the show apparently goes across town (or travels to Metropolis which is 3hrs away) to have a 2 minute conversation with someone else, you take a shot, or a drink or.. well you get the drift. By the end of the average Smallville eppisode you'll be too loaded to care if the ep was one of the really bad ones. BTW by guess is the good/bad ratio this year will be 50/50 - get your shot glasses ready its gonna be a long season.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 12:18 p.m. CST


    by Billyeveryteen

    My asshole buddies insisted on watching season 4, instead of Lost. Asshats...

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 12:23 p.m. CST

    yup, witch-fu was crap but still some good stuff

    by oisin5199

    Coming from someone who usually digs witch stories, I agree that the whole past-life witch thing with Lana and her boyfriend was the worst aspect of last season, belonging more on tripe like Charmed. I find Jensen Ackles' character on Supernatural SO much more likable than he was on Smallville. And his character's motivations kept inexplicably changing. My only regret is we didn't see him smashed by the meteor. But there was some really nice stuff with Chloe, a character I'm usually annoyed by, and her learning the secret but hiding her knowledge. And the Lex and Lionel back and forth - it was actually interesting for a moment when Lionel was good. And Lex's evil episode - whoa! Gotta admit, I love the movie references, especially the John Williams snippets. I wish Lana would just go away and more Lois. I'm hoping this season that James brings the Big Bad like only he can. This series needs a proper villain. The whole Jane Seymour (as milfy as she still is) as the baddie thing just didn't work. And who could fault Carrie Fisher as editor of the Daily Planet?

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Marsters credit in the first ep...

    by RenoNevada2000

    My bet is that its a SAG thing. IIRC, JMS ran up against something similar in BABYLON 5 when he wanted the return of Sheridan's long-thought-dead wife in the last ten seconds of an episode to be a HUGE surprise, but SAG rules stated that the actress's name still had to go at the begining of the show, spoiling the surprise. Ironically, that actress was Melissa Gilbert, who went on to be president of the SAG for a while.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Gough interview

    by ClarkK82

    Gough recently said he thought the series would last another tow season concluding with Lex being absolutely evil and Clark putting on the suit. I wonder if it will be Singer's suit (ugh) or generic traditional suit? Hopefully it won't be in the last five minutes of the series finale, there are enough of us that deserve at least one episode with Welling donning the tights.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 2:46 p.m. CST


    by Jack_Bauer

    Word to greatn and CTM lives. Ally kept me watching through the crap fest that was most of last season. Lana bugs the crap out of me, it seems the more the show focuses on her the worse it gets.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Head to Body Ratio

    by zekmoe

    Allison Mack has the hugest head for her body size. She looks like an alien. I'll try to watch this show again. It got too silly and didn't have enough Superman stuff. Reminds me of the 6 million dollar man in the later, bigfoot episodes. No story or action, but a guy in an ape suite and slo mo of Lee Majors running.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 3:13 p.m. CST


    by YouIgnorantGeeks

    It had to do with Jason and his mother didn't it? That she was this persons descendant... but that by itself wasn't enough, they had to make sure she found everything. Or whatever.... Weren't they behind it all. Even if not.. her just being the descendant maybe she got a feeling to check it... or YOU CAN REALIZE ITS JUST A TV SHOW AND STOP WONDERING ABOUT IT!!!! THE CAST OF FRIENDS WOULDNT' BE ABLE TO AFFORD THOSE APARTMENTS EITHER... sheese. But I also agree. I think smallville kicks ass. One of the very few shows still on the air that I watch.... but while I enjoyed season 4 for the most part I ABSOLUTELY HATED THE WHOLE JASON, LANA WITCH, JASONS MOTHER THING. It was obviously just brought out as a way to explain how Clark got the other stones...but in an interesting way. Or so they thought. Don't see why you have to involve them at all though... why can't he find out and search for the stones on his own. Or why can't lex have one and lionel have one, or neither, and they search for it, etc. Creating jason and the mother just as a way for him to get the stones was idiotc. But besides that, and episodes based on jason and the mother, and lana as a witch (except the first one of those, which was good) the show was great.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Better than most!

    by jojo-pimp

    I do have to admit, even though season 4 really got a little old with all the witch shit and the crap about kryptonian stones...this show still remains better than alot of the shit on tv...and has put a great new spin on the superman mythos. I mean face it, if it werent for smallville......would there have been this huge of an interest in getting a new Superman movie made?

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Fourth Season

    by Nairb The Movie

    I bought it last thursday to try and catch up just so I could watch season 5 for Marsters. WTF? THis season was weirdest, most convuluted season of a television show ever. The witch thing was just plain silly. And the coincedences piling up. The SPLIT lex episode though was one of the best episodes of a show I saw. Just finished the prom gag fest and moving on to Amnesia clark. 3 MORE EPISODES TO GO and 4 hours till the new one

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 4:03 p.m. CST

    So, this HAS to be the last season

    by performingmonkey

    Like other people have said, it's time for all the bullshit to end and for him to just become Supes. It's all become a bit of a mess with them overstepping the mark in season 4. They can't possibly make us believe that the normal Supes storyline could continue after Smallville.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Is it really a SAG rule

    by Jake Timmons08

    that their names are shown at the beginning, because that doesn't happen a lot on 24. When someone surprisingly shows up at the end of the episode, their names are not normally in the credits at the begginning.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Season 4 finale

    by XAOS

    My first thought when I saw Lana crawling into the crater (after thinking, "Great, another Lana Lang disastergram") was "OH NO THEY ARE GONNA HAVE DARKSEID AS THE PRINCIPAL AT THE HIGH SCHOOL NEXT YEAR!" Alas, my brilliant idea appears to be ignored :(

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Never watched an episode, but...

    by eg4190

    if they graduated last season, after four years, doesn't that mean Clark would've been 14 in the first season? Being portrayed by a then-24 year old actor?

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 6:38 p.m. CST

    SAG Rule

    by Krangelus

    Christian Kane played Lindsey McDonald in Angel, and his name wasn't at the start of the episode when he returned to the show in season 5. So it was a surprise. Whats the differene here with marsters? no difference.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 7:19 p.m. CST

    If they were 14 when it started, that's fucked up

    by Jake Timmons08

    Wasn't Lana going out with a senior when the show started. 18 and 14 is kind of a big difference because I remember that guy talking about getting married. It's not like she had a great pare of tits. What a pedophile.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 7:58 p.m. CST

    I think I meant "pair"

    by Jake Timmons08

    I'll stop smoking crack now.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 8:06 p.m. CST

    They played the new Depeche Mode single at the end.

    by Neo Zeed

    But then again I only saw this show cause Chris Rock ended at 8:30. Though I'm surprised to hear DM on primetime TV, it's too bad the song stinks doo-doo. Their other songs rule though.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Was that.....

    by JA_Prufrock

    f**king Spike as Zod!??!

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 8:11 p.m. CST

    He's playing Brainiac

    by Greased Deaf Guy

    I read it in Premiere or some other magazine.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Saw it and...

    by zekmoe

    it seemed to be more of the same. Like a good start that you know won't go anywhere. Allison "The Human Pez Dispenser" Mack made no sense at all. But at least Clark flexes his muscles and wins. I'll watch until they rever to a meteor mutant of the week episode.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 8:51 p.m. CST

    That epsiode totally rocked!

    by jojo-pimp

    that was some good ass shit!! I really dont understand how any fan of the original Superman movies, especially Superman 2, could not appreciate that episode. I mean, are you guys all expecting a show with a $100 million dollar budget or something? lighten the hell up!

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Good Stuff

    by darylzero2005

    Smallville may be the most underrated hour long on tv.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:16 p.m. CST

    It was pretty bad...

    by ZeroCorpse

    At least as far as Superman continuity goes. Who the fuck is Chloe in the Superman storyline? I never saw any fucking Chloe in Action Comics! And Lois in Smallville? WHAT THE FUCK? Lex hanging around Smallville all this time? LUTHORCORP? What happened to Lexcorp? Since when does Superboy ever meet up with Zod or his minions? About all this show gets right is having Terrence Stamp (the TRUE Zod of the movies) playing Jor-El. Otherwise, it played out like an episode of Roswell with some vague DC-related characters. Who needs a show about non-Superboy Clark Kent and all his teen drama? i'm half expecting the WB to give us a show called "Parkers of Manhattan" featuring a pre-Spider-Man Peter Parker and his Aunt May and Uncle Ben, along with Mary Jane, Harry, and Flash, but also throwing in a pre-Venom Eddie Brock, a pre-Daredevil Matt Murdock, and a variety of Spidey's other enemies and friends from before they ever really met him in the comics, without super powers. It will be all about Pete's life, his romance with Deborah Whitman, and his longing for Mary Jane. There will be VERY SPECIAL episodes in which guest stars stop by and play non-powered Marvel heroes, such as Bruce Banner visiting as a teenager and forming a rivalry with Pete in the AV club! Even better, let's see the WB show "Pre Avengers" in which the Avengers are all depicted as teenagers who go to school together in the same town, and most of them don't have powers yet- But they DO have drama and angst! Ooooo!

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:21 p.m. CST


    by jojo-pimp

    OK you just take shit WAYYYY too seriously!! Do you really think this show was meant to follow the continuity 100% ??? Did the Hulk tv show or movie follow the comic accurately? What about Spiderman shooting webs out of his arms and not using webslingers? Why did the first X-men movie not have original founding members like Beast and Angel? I dont know if you are a huge Superman fanatic..but did you hear that this new movie has Lois Lane being married and having kids while Superman has left earth for a few years? I prefer the Smallville continuity of her being in Smallville rather than the Bryan Singer version where she is knocked up by perry white's son and Superman leaves earth!!!

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:23 p.m. CST


    by jojo-pimp

    If you really wanna get technical...since when did Jonathan Kent die of a heart attack when Clark was 18 as he did in the first Superman movie? If i am not mistaken, he is alive and well in the comics!!

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Zerocorpse just likes to bitch

    by Jake Timmons08

    Why waste your time complaining about a stupid tv show? If you don't like it, don't watch it. I know that might sound crazy, but you're a douchebag. Lighten up buddy.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:29 p.m. CST

    This episode was pretty good but...

    by Whedon

    Loved the disciples of Zod parts as well as the limited Clark Chloe interaction but I think they made a mistake by having Clark dispatch the disiples so quickly. They could have used half the season Before Clark finally defeated them but now we're probably going to see the writers go back to their tired formula of monster of the week. Always great to see Marsters back on tv, its just jarring seeing him without all that product in his hair. And was that actor who played the male disciple the same actor who played Forrest(Riley's friend) in season 4 of Buffy? Sure looked like him.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:39 p.m. CST

    True whedon...

    by jojo-pimp

    with all the money they obvioulsy invested in special effects, they could have made the fight with clark and the Zod disciples a little more badass or something. Of course they are gonna have the freak of the week once in a while, but James Marsters as Braniac is supposed to have a huge roll in this season, as well as Aquaman in the 4th episode.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:43 p.m. CST

    oh, and about Veronica Mars...

    by jojo-pimp

    why on earth does a site dedicated to action, horror and sci fi have so many damn talkbacks about a teenage nancy drew....and we cant get a regular talk about something related to the man of steel?

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:53 p.m. CST

    get me a young jake gyllenhaal...

    by Coffin Ed

    Am I the only one that thinks 'Parkers of Manhattan' sounds vaguely entertaining? I am? Fair enough...

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 10:02 p.m. CST

    x-files syndrome

    by TodayzSpecial

    Remember when Mulder and Scully would find out that aliens are going to be destroying the world one week and the next they'd be investigating a wolf boy as if the previous week never happened? Smallville feels the same. The town destroyed. Chloe trapped in the yukon. Kryptonians invading earth to destroy Kal-el. NEXT WEEK! Clark has to register for classes and he finds out the registrar is a kryptonite monster. If only New Orleans could pick up as quickly as Smallville.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 11:03 p.m. CST

    So they don't follow the comics? I couldn't care less. I

    by Shermdawg

    The show is retarded at times, but I love it! Great start, I with Jojo, I think they coulda stretched the disciples angle a bit, but, Brainiac will make up for that. I'm at the point where I'd rather watch a comic book show than waiting every three years or so for a halfassed comicbook movie. (I've said it before and I'll say it again, if Fox would put some cash into it, and have a Wolverine trilogy coincide with it, a X-men tv show could work.) When Smallville is good it's awesome, when it's bad, it's still better than most of the other sci-fi shows out there. It better get at least one film, it deserves it. Oh and if that happens, can we finally get a main villian besides Lex? Somebody that can fight. I want a brawl that makes Matrix Revolutions appreciaters piss there pants. Superman 2 just ain't cuttin it nowadays.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Fucking hating fags

    by GiftedInThePants

    If Whedon doesn't write it, you hate. Fuck off. I love Smallville and have been with it in the beginning. Damn. You're just a bunch of little shit talkers.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Fucking hating fags

    by GiftedInThePants

    If Whedon doesn't write it, you hate. Fuck off. I love Smallville and have been with it in the beginning. Damn. You're just a bunch of little shit talkers.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 11:27 p.m. CST

    "Before the yellow sun sets"

    by XAOS

    Dude, you're talking to him from the Acrtically located fortress of solitude, where the sun will set somewhere around mid-October, so take your time there, Clark.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 11:29 p.m. CST

    See, that's what I meant by the show being retarded at times

    by Shermdawg

    I still love it though.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 11:40 p.m. CST

    In Canada the Space network has advertised

    by Adelai Niska

    that this is the dramatic final season of smallville.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Setting Sun

    by Barron34

    I think Jor-El simply meant by the end of one Earth day. No need to get so literal.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 11:42 p.m. CST

    The two deaths

    by DarthCorleone

    Yeah, I remember that. Whatever happened with that, Herc? Did I miss it?

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 11:54 p.m. CST

    It was fucking amazing.

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    So epic, so kick-ass. The opening and creation of the Fortress was beautiful (yeah the graphics were bad, but if you look past them, it was amazingly portrayed). It's true, when this show is bad, it's hilarious and fun, but when this show is good, it's mind-boggling brain-implosion good. When I first saw the Kryptonians, I jokingly said, "heh, Kneel before Zod!" not expecting anything to come of it. But they were the fucking desciples of Zod! AND IT WAS FUCKING BAD ASS. AND THEN THEY BROUGHT OUT THE FUCKING PHANTOM ZONE! AND IT WAS FUCKING BAD ASS! And Lex found Chloe in the Yukon! How crazy was that!!! And they did what seemed like an X-Files tribute with the black oil coming from the ship! Bad ass! And now Chloe knows! Lex is evil! Lionel went fucking nuts! Lana and Clark are finally going to shag nasty! Lois is still hot as shit! FUCK YEAH! And if you ignore the ridiculousness of the lana witch thing, you'll come to enjoy it as great sci-fi alternate reality Superman fun. Plus, Superman has been portrayed in so many different ways, we can't accept Smallville? I was fortunate enough not to notice James Marsters name, so it was a total rockin surprise to see him at the end. GOD DAMN, so good! And I'm sure Zod and his disciples will have much more to do with the show in later episodes. With Marsters and Zod, maybe they'll finally be able to get rid of the Freak o' The Week eps, and focus on plot. FUCK YEAH!

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 11:54 p.m. CST

    By the end of one Earth day? Um, which timezone?

    by Shermdawg

    Oh and the two deaths I'm assuming he was mentioning, if it was regarding this show, was Jane Seymour and Jensen Ackle's characters.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 12:13 a.m. CST


    by dengreg31

    i thought the opening graphics were pretty good..oh well. Ive never been comfortable with them removing or transferring his powers like its an on/off switch..either his body collects solar radiation or it doesnt. But a good premiere nonetheless

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 12:41 a.m. CST

    A wonderful premiere...

    by viola123

    It was awesome. I loved it, and the first and last segments were amazing (also, Clark and Chloe's talk in the Yukon, *g*). I loved Lex and I know he's just frustrated and full of questions, and the thing is, is that he feels he's soo close, this/close to learning the truth, but every turn, he gets stonewalled. His and Lana's relationship is totally set up for the season, and I know that last bit may seem sinister, but I am certain that when it comes to her, he is not at all bad. And though I'm a Lex/Lana shipper, I do think Clark and Lana are sweet. I'm happy for them - that they have this chance. I loved how Clark protected her, and how that shot at the mansion spelled out his choice. I know he's going to be OK. And Chloe - that was a great last scene. I can't wait for eppy 5.2. Herc, will you hold a Talk Back every week? Will you give your take each Thursday? Aw, I remember the days of "Buffy" and "Angel". I'd be here every morning, the day the eppies aired. I hope that's the case this year with "Smallville" because my gosh, you guys, that premiere was wonderful and it made me believe, know!, that this season will be the one we've been waiting for. I loved all the movie references and I just thought the entire episode, for 42 minutes of actual episode, told a great story. *squeee*! "Smallville" is making its comeback. :)

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 12:59 a.m. CST

    This friggin' owned!

    by Cletus Van Damme

    Well worth the wait.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 1:11 a.m. CST


    by zacdilone

    That was one word I hoped to never read in an AICN talkback. Please, people, let's avoid that one in the future, shall we? There are no "shippers" here...only geeks.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 1:20 a.m. CST


    by zacdilone

    You said Veronica Mars is about a "teenage Nancy Drew." A "teenage Nancy Drew?" That's like saying a "black Stevie Wonder" or a "talentless Michael Bay." But I agree with your point, though. :)

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 3:34 a.m. CST

    No, We can't accept Smallville.

    by jedimast3r

    My girl made such a big deal about this episode and...well...despite all the movie ripping-off they did, it still sucked big balls. WHAT THE HELL IS LOIS DOING IN SMALLVILLE. WHAT THE HELL IS LEX DOING IN SMALLVILLE, for that matter? Pretty faces do not compensate for ridiculous plot development. This show is full of more holes than a whore house, and NO it can't be tolerated, not even in the slightest. In going from point A to B in pre-Supes lore, they're hitting points X Y and Z and not making any freaking sense with it whatsoever. My idea of Smallville is depicted in the Donner flick, which is superceded by "Superman: For All Seasons" by Jeph Loeb. Just as long as you realize that this TV show has really nothing to do with actual Superman mythos, you're OK.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 6:06 a.m. CST

    i see..

    by jojo-pimp

    i totally get your point jedimaster....but as i said in my previous post, how many of the comic book movies and tv shows recently follow the comic book mythos accurately?? maybe one or two out there, but all of them have strayed from the original source material...some more than others. Like the joker killing batman's paernts, or the penguin being some flippered mutant...and as i said...where in the comics does superman's father die of a heart attack? This show was always meant to be a whole new spin on the superman was never meant to follow things 100%.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 6:58 a.m. CST


    by provider84

    Honestly, i watched season 1-3 on and off and rolled my eyes every time a krypto student got involved with a character and each ep would always end with clark and lana in the barn. It was a rehash of old X-Files eps for WB Fangirls (and many Fanboys apparantly) But Season 4 i kept coming back for more, Lana finally came back with a story to tell, she was three dimensional for the first time. There was a much needed injection of humour. Not all eps were good but what show has 22 good eps?. And am I the only one 2 think Marsters in Season 5 is a bad idea. He got angel cancelled when he was apparantly the saviour, he'll do the same to this.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 7:12 a.m. CST

    Marsters Rocked

    by YouIgnorantGeeks

    Ok, at first I didn't like Angel season 5... I love Angel, and Buffy even more so... and Spike kicks ass. But the idea of them running Wolfram and Hart I didn't like at first.... until Illyria. After that it kicked ass. On rewatching of the season on dvd though I found the entire season to actually be great. Connor too.... I absolutely HATED him from the get go. Rewatching the seasons though I like him a bit more. Gunn.. he annoyed me too but he grows on you. But, is it me... or was Angel going to be cancelled by the WB regardless of Marsters.. thats what I thought. Come on... maybe him as a ghost was going on too long (though that episode with the ghost killer was great.... not as disturbing as they made it out to be in commercials... but great). One of hte best Angel eps ever, in my opinion was the Spike/Angel battle for the cup of perpetual torment.... THAT WAS GREAT. The dialogue... the difference between the two "champions" and how they got that way... spike getting his soul by choice, angel having it forced on him... awesome. So I love Marsters... and I love Smallville, and I think this is a good fit. Howard Stern was raving about last nights episode and I fell the same way..... that this season seems to be going back the way of SUPERMAN instead of witches and evil boyfriends and their moms. Is it stealing from the movie though... or the comic? I mean hello, they have the music from the movies like 2 years ago and ever since... that theme when Reeve is first seen, or when he throws the crystal at the end of last season... But how is the fortress of solitude stealing from the movie!?! Thats the mythos, not the movie! And what movie had braniac? None I remember. So, take it for what this is... like ultimate spiderman in the comics.... a retelling of a story. How boring would this be with no Lex? And didn't there used to be in the comics (I was only a casual reader.. and mostly marvel, only one I still read is ultimate spiderman and some graphic novels) but I read somewhere that they had a superboy, where lex was actual in smallville back then. Just saying. Take it for what it is, a great show, based on a great mythos. Some stuff they steal, some stuff they make up, but its fantasy.... again why do I have to always stress that.... THIS IS ENTERTAINMENT.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 7:26 a.m. CST


    by YouIgnorantGeeks

    I also thought it was way too easy to dispatch of them... I mean he was blasted into the vortex and BOOM punched through ground to hang on. So what was with them 2 (the second one slowly!) being pushed in and not diong anything at all about it, at least punching through the ground themselves. But I have a theory. I know Clark is growing into his powers... and thats why he don't have them all yet. And I know the disciples showed immense strenth, speed, heat vision... but did they fly? Maybe just as Clark is growing into his powers, there powers are not fully developed (or better yet they are not fully sure of how exactly to use them) since they just got on earth. Maybe thats why they wanted to not even really fight him, but put him right in the phantom zone. Maybe they knew he was stronger at that moment, even with developing powers. So that was why it was so easy for him. Or maybe it was just a way to show how strong he really is rihgt now. I can understand the woman... he took her by surprise and tossed her, but he guy knew it was coming.... so he shouldnt have went so easy. So I just tell myself the above theory about the power and stuff. Another thing... why (and this is every tvshow or movie ever made, and comics, and books) but why did they turn around and ignore him BEFORE he fell fully into the zone. Don't matter its all good, great show, great episode. But.. where is Zod... phantom zone, somewhere else? I think they made it a point not to have the general there.... in other words I think they kept saying DISCIPLES OF ZOD because the writers want us to know there is zomeone worse on the way (kinda like the first in season 3 of buffy.... coming back in season 7... these guys may have been easily dispatched now... but they aint dead, and they are just servents of a greater villian) So I would look for that later in the season. Making a zod, lex, braniac, clark all out crazyness thing. Or maybe, if they get another season, or whenever the last one is.... they bring back the disciples AND zod. Maybe because of events that transpired this year with Braniac, the phantom zone prison is broken, whether Braniac frees them, or lex by doing something with that ship, or simply its done by mistake... yea... i think them being taken care of so easily just sets it up for the future. I think they were just a way to get clark to think that THEY were what jor-el was warning him about, and not braniac.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Kreuk vs. Durance

    by Roboteer

    Of course Kristin is a hottie, but you can tell in about 5 minutes that Erica Durance is gonna be a star. She owns the small screen. I think eventually this series soon runs out of steam or takes the bold next step and makes a man of the boy. The movie(s) will likely limit that move and could ultimately help the series' demise.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 7:51 a.m. CST

    by Mr Cairo

    what spoils it for me is the fact that everyone in smallville including lex and lois knows clark ... when superman finally does appear in costume in metropolis the entire town plus lex and lois are going to see him and say "hey thats clark isnt it ??" . Also how come clarks timberland boots dont melt when he runs at super speed from antartica to smallville ?

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Kreuk's acting

    by Dark Vapor

    wah, I wish kristen kreuk could act, wah, I wish my Lamborghini could hold more luggage, shut the fuck up.

  • That the "Jor-El" that Clark has been conversing with every so often for the past few years is actually General Zod pretending to be Jor-El? Perhaps somehow utilizing whatever little influence he has to free himself from the Phantom Zone? Oh, and for the various claims that SMALLVILLE is "ripping off" the Donner films, you don't suppose that they're actually paying TRIBUTE to them? You know, DELIBERATELY using the Williams theme in certain moments, casting Christopher Reeve and Margot Kidder in cameo roles, recreating the Fortress and so on? If the choice is "ripping off" the Donner films or "ripping off" the previous ADVENTURES OF SUPERBOY series with Gerard Christopher and Stacey Haiduk, I know which one I'd pick...

  • My friend insisted I watch this with him, and I have to admit I liked that they used the exact same imagery for the Fortress of Solitude and the phantom zone--and that girl in black looked like Ursa with long hair. Great. But, er, so are they going with Brainiac's Kryptonian origin from the WB cartoon? And wasn't this whole plot leaked on talkbacks a month ago? Does anyone remember that? I have to say I might watch this show more regularly now that Alias is sucking already and they're using more of the movie stuff. I agree, it's an homage more than anything else, and it's welcome. However, this stuff about villains from Krypton coming to Earth reminds me an awful lot of that bad script from JJ Abbrams a while back. And I agree with everyone about Clark's secret identity being hard to keep later. They should have stuck him in glasses by now.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 9:38 a.m. CST

    End credits

    by zer0cool2k2

    Who was Sam Loeb? I'm guessing Jeph's son? And what happened to him?

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Explaining The Secret Identity

    by InZodWeTrust

    I would assume that there will be one more meteor shower, or perhaps Jor-El will somehow make everyone an amnesiac after the SEVENTH and final season. It was explained in the comics after John Byrnes reboot, that Kal-El as Superman vibrates his face slightly, thus rendering TV, photographs and people in his vicinity to not be able to clearly see his face at any given time. You're welcome.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Re: End Credits

    by InZodWeTrust

    Sam Loeb was Jeph Loebs son who died of cancer late last year. He was an aspiring writer himself, and had written some work that his father is now completing with a bevvy of artists to be relleased as a one-shot sotry I think (maybe a graphic novel or prestige format).

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Sorry, but I am. I'm a... shipper!!

    by viola123

    Hey zacdilone. I'll try and not use the word here, *g*, but seriously, that's what I am. And I've been posting at Ain't It Cool forever, and I used it before - when Buffy was on and there was the whole Spuffy and Bangel wars going on. I cannot say with absolute guarantee that I won't use the term "shipper", but I assure you that I won't refer to Lex and Lana as Lexana, 'k? :) -- Just a few notes on "Arrival": 1) James Marsters was awesome! I loved his first appearance, *sigh*. 2) Kristin acted really well in this eppy and the finale. Lana had a lot to deal with and Kristin did well to convey her character's fear, terror, love, and hope. I think the entire cast was great, particularly Tom and... *sigh*, Michael!, which brings me to 3) Michael Rosenbaum is amazing! I so love him, and you guys, this is going to be a great season. I can feel it! Even the opening credits got better (though they need to correct the typo for Kristin). Oh Lex - he was all over the place and he's this-close, so-close to finding the truth. The fact that he'll still be in the dark as the season goes on, I'm thinking won't sit well with him... And apologies to zacdilone and everyone else, but *squeee*, the Lex/Lana scenes were wonderful. They're going to have problems for sure, but they're also going to work their way through. Yeah! Can't wait for "Mortal". Wasn't that Depeche Mode song good at the end. And the way it ended - with him!!!

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 9:58 a.m. CST


    by viola123

    Thank you for posting. Yes, it was very sad - the dedication.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Aw, greatn...

    by viola123

    That's mean. I was a Spuffy supporter. Still am. When he first saw her again in "Bargaining, Part 2", my heart totally broke. Maybe I will use "supporter" instead of "shipper". Is that better? I'm a Lex and Lana supporter? Is that more tolerable? -- I'll try.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 10:07 a.m. CST

    SAG Rules...

    by RenoNevada2000

    Here's what I recall JMS saying about SAG rules and credits, re Melissa Gilbert's appearance- Now this was the state of affairs in 1996, so I grant that a rules change could have been made in the intervening nine years to accomodate the counter-examples from ANGEL and 24 that some have mentioned...

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Smallville Season 5

    by DiernaSoul

    For those wondering why Lex is in Smallville...well in one of the timelines he WAS in Smallville for a time and good friends with Superboy. He wanted to thank Superboy for saving his life by creating an anti-dote for Kryptonite poisoning. Unfortunatly there was an accident in the lab and it blew up. That's how Lex lost his hair as well. There was an ep of the 1970's "Batman/Superman Adventures" about it. Lois visited Smallville in the comics. Actually in the Lois Lane Girlfriend of Superman comics she was from a farming community herself. *L* Anyways Lois met Lana in Smallville in the comics and I think that's where their rivalry started. As for Sam Loeb. He was indeed Jeph Loeb's son. He died of cancer a couple weeks ago. And the 2 Kryptonians in the ep were named Aethyr and Namek. Aethyr is just another term for the Phantom Zone. Namek was a WHITE Kryptonian scientist in the comics who somehow merged with a purple rhino thing and was sent to the phantom zone for some reason or another. And BTW.. Chloe is supposed to make an appearance in the Superman comics at one point. Not sure when tho.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Any Buffy Fans notice the other former Buffy actor on this episo

    by Xocxoc

    Besides James Marsters, the actor who played Forrest in season 4 of Buffy was one of the Kryptonians who came to town.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 10:54 a.m. CST

    How about "pusher?" I like the drug feel to it.

    by zacdilone

    Just kidding. Actually "shipper" doesn't bother me that much. I just spend WAY too much time at the televisionwithoutpity forums, where people throw the word around like steroids in the Yankee's clubhouse.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 11:41 a.m. CST

    He looks different in glasses to me

    by YouIgnorantGeeks

    In that one episode where his eyes were screw up... I think the same episode that he got his super hearing... he had to wear those coke bottle glasses didn't he? And honestly... he did look kinda different. I think its not only the glasses though. Like isn't clark grown up more like the loveable nerdy guy (or sometimes the annoying nerdy guy) crappy clothes, hair sloppy, stuttering. Then superman is this clean cut, nice hair, no glasses, nice muscular showing suit guy with boat loads of confidence. I think thats the trick. I mean I think just him being so different with the confidence.... that more then anything I think is what made people not able to distinguish them at first. Like they just seem like different people. Hell, when I wear my normal glasses people say I look like a different person... And isn't in the movies... doesnt he not really become superman and zip out of the fortress until like mid twenties? When does it matter when he dons his glasses? I don't get that at all. If they can't tell the difference between clark and supes because of the glasses when he is 30... whats gonna matter if he has been wearing them since 10? That makes no difference. Unless your saying that its going to be suspicious that he all of a sudden needs glasses? But I didn't need glasses until I turned driving age. My girlfriend just got her first pair of glasses this year, and shes 25... So that shoudlnt' matter. People would just assume like most people, his eye sight gets a little worse and worse until he had to start wearing glasses.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 11:48 a.m. CST

    glasses as a secret identity

    by Mr Cairo

    just shouldnt work , take robin for example when he puts on the Robin mask no one recognises him as Dick Greyson but the last time i put on a pair of sunglasses my friends all recognised me .

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 11:49 a.m. CST

    I'm that guy

    by Jacobra

    My DVR cut out when the black oil was doing it's thing on the floor. So what happened next? I am guessing it "morphed" into Brainiac, but I'm hoping it wasn;t that cheesy.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 11:56 a.m. CST

    You're a good friend Chloe, I'm just going to leave you

    by INWOsuxRED

    How did Clark forget that he left Chloe in the Yukon? That was fucking insane. Not once did he smack himself in the forehead and say "Oh crap, I forgot I left someone that knows my secret alone in a remote and far away hospital with no way of getting home"? The fight between Clark and the Kryptonians was also ridiculous. They could have built that up for a season's worth of battles and storylines and all that. But I still enjoyed it and look forward to finding out what they'll do with Braniac. As people say, even when it is bad (and it often is), it is so funny bad that I get some joy out of it. I did miss most of the 4th season though. As for people who complain about shows and movies not following comic book continuity, both DC and Marvel are currently work on a reset universe. Neither of them follow their own continuity anymore. What continuity are these shows supposed to follow again?

  • Sept. 30, 2005, noon CST

    SAG Rules...

    by ComputerGuy68

    "you must put guest stars of a certain calibre in the opening credits" So it depends on WHO it is, a low level star can be put in the closing credits, but someone more known can't. Makes sense... Thanks for the link RenoNevada2000

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 12:08 p.m. CST

    that guy

    by INWOsuxRED

    Yes, the black oil morphed into a guy who looked like Robert Patrick but was apparently in Buffy. They did have the black oil turn somewhat like black kryptonian crystals before taking human shape, which was at least a nice spin on the normal 'shape shifting ooze morphs into a dude' effect we're all sick of.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Thanks INWOsuxRED

    by Jacobra

    I figured thats what had happened but was hoping for a new spin. But, it's not like I'm going to stop watching so I guess I won't bother complaining. Anyway, thanks for the info.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 1:13 p.m. CST

    I figured it out...

    by Celicynd

    They're tying everything visually to the Superman movie, even though they CAN'T since the mythology from the movie and show is so different... I figured out what they're going to do! It will truly be a comic-influenced story... at the end of the series, they're going to have another (well first for tv show) Crisis, and reset the Smallville universe so it syncs with the movie history! :-p [well, i thought it was funny]

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Supes CAN'T lose his powers

    by longshot7

    That's the only thing I hated about this episode - because of the yellow sun, Clark (Superman) ABSOLUTELY CANNOT lose his powers. I hated this about Superman II as well. CAN NOT HAPPEN - unless the sun goes out. How can Jor-el take away his powers when he didn't grant them in the first place?

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Wanna See Lois/Durance Titties?

    by Deandome

    Thought so!! Hmmmm....could she POSSIBLY have had some work done on them??!! and contrast:

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 2:44 p.m. CST

    No problem ComputerGuy68

    by RenoNevada2000

    At least we can assume, then, that James Marsters is "of a certain caliber." (Even if he did do a shot on HOLLYWOOD SQUARES)

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 3:42 p.m. CST


    by coldsun08

    All the girls on Smallville are hot. But my fave is Chloe hands down. Allison Mack is a very nice looking woman. I've asked myself since season 1: "Is Clark gay?" Because he could have bedded Chloe in season 1. What a dumbass. :)

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Since When Was Lex in Smallville?

    by Qui-Gon

    Right friggin' here you retards. Written by the man himself. Since when does the show need to be strict on continuity, the comics sure as fuck aren't. Tard's most of you are 'tards. The rest of you are cool. Watch where you step. There are 'tards everywhere. Fuckin' 'tards.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Guest Stars and Title Cards

    by MasterWhedon

    Not sure why they made the decision to do it as such, but Buffy and Angel both did surprise guests with no spoilage up front. As someone mentioned above, Lindsey reappeared in Season 5 of Angel and Giles popped up toward the end of Season 6 of Buffy, when he knocked Willow on her ass and looked badass. They began the closing titles with "Special Appearance by Anthony Head."

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 4:53 p.m. CST

    wow, finally a reason to watch "House of the Dead"...

    by ComputerGuy68

    well at least for this scene to see her sweater puppies.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Chloe is a thick-gummed, run-of-the-mill future hausfrau, while

    by Kenshiro_Kane

    I'm just sayin', is all...

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Qui-Gon is Right

    by EvilPaul

    I just don't understand people who say shows and movies based on comics have to follow the plots exactly. THE DAMN COMICS THEMSELVES DON'T! With all the multiple versions and editions and storylines, who knows what's supposed to be or not? Smallville is a TV show BASED on the characters in the Superman comics. The writers are taking the characters into new directions JUST LIKE THE COMICS DO.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 8:49 p.m. CST

    How "24" and Mutant Enemy got around the SAG rule.


    If the actor has enough lines of dialogue to reach a certain credit minimum, their credit is presented at the front of the show mandatorily. I'm assuming the minimum is two lines, because Giles (in Buffy 6.21,) Willow (Angel 2.22) and Lindsey (Angel 5.--whichever,) all had only one line of dialogue when they appeared. Actually, Willow didn't even say anything. If I'm not mistaken, the same goes for Lou Diamond Phillips' entrance in the first season of 24, and Dennis Hopper's in the second. I'm not 100% on my memories of 24, so if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me. But if Hopper's name wasn't in the opening credits, how else is he of equal or lesser "calibre" to a Christian Kane??

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 11:13 p.m. CST

    OMG, I just thought about something....

    by Shermdawg

    A few years back I remember Howard Stern have a conversation about if Superman ever had sex would he know... with the power of a gunshot and kill the girl he was screwing, presumably Lois in the process. Now that Clark is a mere mortal and gonna tap Lana ( ABOUT DAMN TIME! SHEESH ) we will never know the answer to that. Well at least Lana's boyfriend won't be killed off before she can lose her virginity. The chick doesn't have a good track record, three dead boyfriends. Hell one was already dead while she was seeing him. Imagine if he had been the one. "Today on Jerry Springer, I lost my virginity to a zombie!" "Tomorrow on Jerry Springer, My boyfriend was killed by a meteor!"

  • Oct. 1, 2005, 1:25 a.m. CST

    No sex with the humans

    by INWOsuxRED

    Superman gives his daughter(from wonderwoman) the no sex with humans lecture in the sequal to Dark Knight. In that continuity at least, Superman knew he couldn't have sex with humans.

  • Oct. 1, 2005, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah, Greatn??? Well...


    ...then I don't know how they beat the SAG rules. Or perhaps the Smallville creators are about as clever at non-spoiling credits as they are with well-plotted seasonal arcs.

  • Oct. 1, 2005, 9:43 p.m. CST


    by InZodWeTrust

    Maybe the writers and producers thought amongst themselves "Ahhh fuck it. Nobody knows who Marsters IS... Put him in the opening credits, it won't matter much... Fuck it. Fuck it through the heart, boys..."

  • Oct. 2, 2005, 10:47 a.m. CST


    by Krangelus

    nah Boreanaz is busy on Bones, which is a great show by the by.

  • Oct. 2, 2005, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Aquaman on Smallville...

    by jojo-pimp

    Did you guys see the dude playing Aquaman? theres a pic of him carrying lois out of the water! that is one BIG ass dude!! might be a cool episode!

  • Oct. 2, 2005, 7:04 p.m. CST

    they wanted bruce wayne

    by INWOsuxRED

    That one character who dated Lana and turned out to be a ghost or whatever was basically a hole left by the fact that they couldn't bring in Bruce Wayne due to them making a batman movie or something. Smallville writers wanted Bruce Wayne, but weren't allowed.

  • Oct. 2, 2005, 7:07 p.m. CST

    That depeche mode song was ass /getting bootay!

    by Neo Zeed

    What the hell happened to those dudes? Anyway, isn't it weird how Herc's other fav show Veronica Mars has that black kid who tails veronica mars around but never gets any booty, he should say fuck it and get a chick already. Same for Pete Ross. Geez louise these guys get less chicks than the token black dudes on Real World. That ain't racist BTW it's just the truth. When's it gonna be their time?

  • Oct. 2, 2005, 7:26 p.m. CST

    RE: Bruce Waye

    by jojo-pimp

    Yeah..they had originally wanted to do a Bruce Wayne series back when they were gonna do Batman:Year One or something. I too thought that guy, Adam Knight was going to end up being Bruce Wayne undercover or something. There is also talk of one more dc superhero making an appearance later this idea who though besides Aquaman.

  • Oct. 2, 2005, 9:53 p.m. CST

    You know who would make a good Jimmy Olsen?

    by Shermdawg

    Seth Green. Might as well cast him, since a lot of you want Whedon alums to join, and if you remember it was Jimmy who made Miss Sullivan a woman during her summer internship at The Daily Planet. Damn...whats with me and posting about the Smallville chicks virginity? God, we need some supervillians, so I can switch the subject.

  • Oct. 2, 2005, 11:26 p.m. CST

    There is also talk of one more dc superhero making an appearance

    by INWOsuxRED

    I hope it is that guy with no face from the Justice League cartoons. The Question? I don't really know him from comics, but he was entertaining on the cartoon. My guess is it won't be soemone that interesting.

  • Oct. 3, 2005, 5:25 a.m. CST

    Smallville is a kid's show...

    by Rupee88

    ...but still somewhat entertaining for adults. I enjoy it although the dumbed down aspect of it annoys me. I don't know how Jor-El could suddenly take away his son's powers...that was just stupid, but overall it was an entertaining episode.

  • Oct. 3, 2005, 10:18 a.m. CST

    They may have shown two people in the Phantom Zone..

    by ThisIsTheGirl

    ...but why did they pick 2 of the glibbest Zoners? They had a choice of 134 users, why'd they concentrate on those 2?

  • Oct. 3, 2005, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Bruce Wayne

    by VoodooV

    Bruce Wayne as a one shot guest role would be decent. But an entire series revolving around a young Bruce Wayne would be stupid, Its a relatively boring part of his life, he's training to be the world's greatest detective and crimefighter, sure. But the problem is, he's not batman yet, he shouldn't have the batmobile yet, no batsuit, no batarangs, no batcave, nothing bat-related at all! but any show centering around a young bruce would be forced to make all sorts of lame bat-references. Just like how its supposed to be a coincidence that the nickname for clark's barn loft is "fortress of solitude" while in the premiere, Jorel specifically calls his new home the FOS. So you just know that in this theoretical Wayne series, he'd be forced to have some sort of souped up car, and even though the bat symbology wouldn't/shouldn't be a part of wayne's life yet, you just know they'd try and slip in some lame ass 'batmobile' reference. or maybe he'd have some secret alcove in young bruce's apartment or house or whatever, maybe not a cave per-se, but you know the producers wouldn't be able to resist the urge to make some sort of bat-cave reference. so please do NOT make a Bruce Wayne series.

  • Oct. 3, 2005, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Bow Down Before Kal-El...

    by Deandome

    And say 'wudda cute lil baby'!! Nick Cage just named his new son Kal-El Coppola Cage.

  • Oct. 3, 2005, 11:57 p.m. CST

    "I just don't understand people who say shows and movies bas

    by Voice O. Reason

    That's the best point in the history of Ain't It Cool News. I'm not kidding.

  • Oct. 4, 2005, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Zod's kids

    by SID 8.0

    How did they know about their powers right after they got off the ship? In Superman II When the Zod's crew first got here thay had no idea about the effect of the yellow sun on them. I don't know maybe they had one of those information crystals from on their ship to tell them what to expect. They were dealt with way too fast though. Could have stretched out at least 3 eps.

  • Oct. 4, 2005, 1:34 p.m. CST

    This is not a show to take seriously!

    by _Maltheus_

    ...but it is a great show. A lot of people seem to get hung up on silly plot lines (witchy Lana) or not following the mythos. But as someone else noted, the whole Superman concept is stupid. Some shows, like Lost and BSG, need to add up for me to like them. I'm looking for plot holes there. Smallville, on the other hand, is all about fun. In many ways, I look forward to it more than any other show because of this. Even last season. I actually thought that season picked up over the previous one cause they weren't focusing on the whole Clark - Lana boredom. They seem to be moving back towards that now, but at least Clark seems willing to share his secret now. It always annoyed me that his closest friends were always in life and death peril around him, yet he didn't have the decency to tell them what's what. The worst that would have happened is that he'd have been outed. Matter of time anyway. ........ Last season was great because they started to have Lana drift into Lex's camp (a better match IMO), the Alisha two-parter was great, the whole Chloe keeping secrets from Clark switcharoo. They handled the whole Chloe knowing Clark's secret thing perfectly, just the right amount of time was spent on it. .......... I don't care for Lois on the show anymore. She was great the first few episodes and then, when it was decided to have her stay (I thought because of the great chemistry), they toned her down to a point where she doesn't serve a purpose anymore. They need to bring back Pete (just kidding). ........... Not to bring up a plothole, just sayin', but why did Clark even bother trying to fight the Zodites? He could have just sent in Martha with some kryptonite in her purse. Seems like a no risk solution (Lana's dumbass variation on that plan notwithstanding). Also, where are all the reporters after this Katrina-like meteor shower? ........ Another thing I like about this show is that there aren't as many haters on this talkback as there are on the others. It may not be considered a "quality" show, but what does that say about us that the "quality" shows find more haters than shows like this?

  • Oct. 4, 2005, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Sorry GLENN you are mistaken.

    by Shermdawg

    Stargate SG-1 started on Showtime, and the pilot indeed had a nude scene. Oh, and the whole Batman tv show is pointless, um doesn't anyone remember Batman Begins??? HELLO??? Superman Returns is also pointless, cause Smallville's doing a good job with the property as it is. Let the show runs for a few more years, and then let it carry over to the bigscreen.

  • Oct. 5, 2005, 12:44 a.m. CST

    Gotta agree with llac5 for ageeing with me.

    by Shermdawg

    Because if more people agreed with me, the world would be a better place. Nuff said. Nuff said.