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ROTS DVD deleted scene images! Fuel Room! Dagobah! Jedi Death!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with some cool pics for you folks. I was going to post them over in Coax, but last time I tried to speak my mind in Coax Herc booted me out of his petty kingdom. My bum still hurts... These images below come from the website however their server was buggy when no one knew about the treasures they were hiding, only half-working even then. I figured it'd be safer to pull some of the pics instead of risking more dead links. Good job! And thanks to the insane void known as the Phantom Zone for calling this site to my attention!

Quick correction, and this should have been obvious from the very start, but these pictures can be traced back to the craziest STAR WARS spy on the next, Darth Psychotic, who e-mailed us to let us know where they actually came from. Leave it to DP to break a story like this one...

I'm happy to see Grievous actually doing something besides running away... this is actually a nice capper to the Clone Wars cartoons. Poor Shaak Ti. It's nice to see Dagobah again. What do you folks think?
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  • Sept. 28, 2005, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Fuck yeah!

    by Frogface

    In most cases I can see why scenes are deleted. But how cool would it have been to see yoda land at his new home!

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 7:52 a.m. CST

    It's not "nice" to see Dagobah...

    by Monster Rain

    It's FUCKING FANTASTIC! As pleased as I was with "Episode III," I did feel a little cheated that we never saw Yoda arriving on that slimy mudhole he called home. It's a minor detail, but it would have further rounded out the series, and been a nice callback to the series' greatest film. Is this on the DVD as an extra, or re-inserted into the film itself? I wonder...

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 7:52 a.m. CST

    this may be the first

    by BitterMan23

    new trilogy DVD i actually bother opening.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 7:55 a.m. CST


    by thomasgaffney

    Thanks for the pics!

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 7:55 a.m. CST

    Funny, isn't it...

    by Brendon

    ...that the second best film in the entire set of six (ie, this one) is still only about the thirtieth or so best film I've seen this year. At least Empire would have made it into the top fifteen. (And, yes, points to the first one for being visionary, but points off for being half-baked)

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Great....more spaceships landing.

    by Barney Hood

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 7:59 a.m. CST

    Still doesn't explain why Luke remembers Dagobah.

    by rev_skarekroe

    Maybe they'll save it for a Very Special Episode of the TV show.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 8 a.m. CST

    I think the prequels still suck

    by ATARI

    Next question?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 8:04 a.m. CST

    Yeah, ATARI...

    by Brendon

    ...and Return of the Jedi doesn't?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Its not Luke remembering Dagobah

    by Falcon5768

    Its Luke remebering Yoda. He sences Yodas presence and remembers hes felt it before (on the ship after he was born obviously)

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 8:17 a.m. CST

    This movie...

    by jaxnnux


  • Sept. 28, 2005, 8:18 a.m. CST

    The prequels wouldn't have sucked ...

    by MajorOcelot

    if they had all been like ROTS. It had some near cringeworthy moments but they never became full cringeworthy moments which I(especially) and II were riddled with, and their cool moments couldn't erase them. Also, Return of the Jedi didn't suck before they put in that gay CGI sing along and the crappy new Ewok song at the end. I remember I used to dance to the old one when I was a kid, where did it go? Sad.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 8:20 a.m. CST

    Forgot to say ...

    by MajorOcelot

    Deleted scenes for ROTS could definitely make it the number 2 best movie out of the 6.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 8:26 a.m. CST

    holy Force-balls

    by megadith

    Thank you!! this is fucking awesome. All we need now is qui-gon. please lucas you money loving whore. help a brother out.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 8:33 a.m. CST

    "Return of the Jedi didn't suck before they put in that gay

    by DocPazuzu

    Ummm... yes it did, actually. ROTJ is by far the worst one of the bunch.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Shaak Ti was cool as fuck in CLONE WARS...

    by MantisRapture

    but so was General Greivous. I wanna see a version of ROTS where he aint a coughing gimp with a stupid fuckin accent but a hardcore jedi slayer. Hopefully Shaak Ti's accent aint changed and she aint got some sort of respiratory problem in this

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 8:40 a.m. CST


    by Ra Ra Rasputin

    Not once did Anakin say "give this lightsabre, to my boy". Lying Jedi Bastards.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 8:44 a.m. CST

    fucking awesome!

    by warp11

    ROTS was already 2nd to Empire for top Star Wars films. These deleted scenes just made it even better.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 8:47 a.m. CST

    ROTS in Retrospect

    by Sean38

    I enjoyed Revenge of the Sith the one time I saw it at the theater bu in retroespect... "I've got the high ground!" "She appears to have lost the will to live." "Noooooooooooooooooooooo!" Enough said.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 8:55 a.m. CST

    And this is supposed to make me buy a piece-of-shit movie, WHY?

    by filker-tom

    Sorry, Lucas has gotten the last dollar he ever will from me. I don't want supposedly cool deleted scenes from a $200 million B-movie. I wanted three fucking A-movies. The crawl at the beginning of Episode IV set up the OT just fine, thank you. But Captain Self-Indulgent, surrounding himself with yes-men and SFX teams, completely abandoned the sense of adventure and fun of the OT. Instead of Lando Calrissian, we got Mace Windu. (Okay, not a bad trade in the coolness department, but oh so frickin' serious.) Instead of Leia, we got Queen Senator Doctor Mrs. Steve Elvis Amidala, Truly Deeply Goddess of Angst and Costume Changes. Instead of Han Solo, we got Jar Jar Fuckin' Binks. Instead of R2D2, we get Super Mega Macro Where The Hell Were These Case Mods When We Needed 'Em In Episode 4 R2D2. Instead of a plot, we got crap. Instead of character development, we got weeping. And now we're supposed to get all jazzed again, because they're going to show us a swamp planet and a Jedi being killed? Big fuckin' yip. Arrgh. Sorry. Can't help it. I shouldn't go off like this, but JESUS I am not buying into this any longer. Not another goddamn dime.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 8:58 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    I give you: "I don't know where you get your delusions, laserbrain." ..... "You truly belong with us among the clouds.".... "But I was going to Toshi Station to pick up some power converters!"...... "You're gonna die here, y'know. Convenient.".... "She'll make .5 past light speed.".... "Would someone get this walking carpet out of my way?"...... "Help! I'm melting!"....... and let's not forget Chewie's inexcusable Tarzan yell. My point is that if viewed objectively, all six films have moments of excrutiatingly bad acting and horrible dialogue. As a series they can be criticized for that (if you like shooting fish in a barrel, that is), but picking out one single film for that kind of bashing? Not fair. Not fair at all.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:05 a.m. CST

    ROTJ haters

    by Ace Hunter

    The only weak link in ROTJ was the Ewoks (but at least Lucas had the balls to kill some), the rest (Solo rescue at Jabba's, Luke/Vadar/Emperor showdown)was great. ROTS was forgettable from beginning to end. Flat visually. Flat story. Flat acting(except for Ewan who nails Obi Wan).

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:10 a.m. CST

    "Its not Luke remembering Dagobah" But doesn't he say "There

    by Regicidal_Maniac

    I expected that Yoda would take him to Dagobah. I expected a lot of things. The Prequels were like a good looking chick who's a dead fuck when you get her home. No muscle control where it counts and all scrapey teeth where you really don't want teeth to be scraping. Give me ROTJ with all its flaws any day. Now there's a movie that knows how to fuck. To quote Han, "She may not look like much, but she's got it where it counts".

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:16 a.m. CST

    ROTS Would Have Ruled

    by Zipperhead

    If I was 10 years-old again.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Actually, Doc...

    by Childe Roland

    ...a lot of those lines you quoted were winking moments of self aware humor that made the films they appeared in that much more endearing (and Lando's line was supposed to sound cheesey). The prequels tried to have a sense of humor about themselves in the first installment, but there wasn't enough else worth a snot going on in that film to make the cheesey humor work (it just made things worse). The bad lines in that first movie (and the worst in the other two) were supposed to be serious moments with gravitas. They didn't even come close to succeedeing. That said, I'm going to give ROTS another chance on DVD with the deleted scenes. For me, so far, it's on a par with Jedi, which was only slightly better than AOTC and the worst of the bunch was definitely TPM(POS).

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:18 a.m. CST

    How come none of the nerds on this site raised holy hell over Do

    by Lezbo Milk

    That was every bit as cheesey and I didn't hear one person bitch about it. Actually, there is no non-cheesey way to yell "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" that I can think of. Better just to yell Arrgghhhh! Or Ohhhhhh Fuuuuuuuuuck! or something.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Sigh. Didn't you guys get all the SW bashing out of your sys

    by I Dunno

    Do we have to dredge all his shit up again? Why are you wasting your time ranting about a movie in a TB about its DVD release? Go outside and play. Anyway, I never thought a Dagobah scene was necessary. I thought it'd be a neat surprise to see Yoda there for the first time in TESB but I guess it's cool to see it in a deleted scene.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Like the other two before it, repeat viewings show it for what i

    by Splinter

    "I enjoyed Revenge of the Sith the one time I saw it at the theater but in retrospect... " ___________________I came out of ROTS saying "That really WAS good! I'm not in denial! It was a great movie!!" I had the oppurtunity to see it again a couple of days ago, and my good, sweet, weeping Christ, it is actually even more cringe-inducing than AOTC. The scene with Windu, Palpatine and Anakin is just fucking excruciating. From Palp's Nooo Nooooo NOOOOOO! to his Excorcist-esque voice (wtf??!) when Anakin turns. In a split-second. Goes and kills some kids. Jesus folks - prepare to have your rsoe-tinted glasses smeared with SHITE when you buy this on DVD. It is inexcerable RUBBISH.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Ace Hunter (awesome ref, btw)

    by DocPazuzu

    "Flat visually. Flat story. Flat acting" ...... That's a better description of ROTJ than ROTS, in my opinion. I'm going to ignore my own recent declaration that you can't criticize one single film in the series for weaknesses they all possess in order to draw attention to ROTJ. The acting was AWFUL. Harrison Ford turned Han Solo into a cumbersome, oafish, golly-shucks, love-petulant fathead. Carrie Fisher looked she was auditioning for the part of Old Chief Wood'nhead in Creepshow 2. "Bad ass" Jedi Hamill - didn't shine for one instant until the final battle. Up until that point he was a complete cipher. He showed more character and life even in ANH, which is more damning than anything. The action scenes in ROTJ were horribly choreographed and edited. Just look at the scene of Solo hanging off the skiff by his fucking toes. In the new version of the film they actually digitally insert tangled ropes holding him in place to make it more believable. Many of its SFX aside, it's a shoddy piece of work, comparatively speaking, and made much more disappointing by the fact that it is supposed to be the rousing finale. The fact that it's the worst SW film of them all doesn't mean I hate it. On the contrary; I still love the hell out of it despite its flaws.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:25 a.m. CST


    by TempusFugitive

    Exactly. Something vaguely familiar = Yoda. If you're going to pick nits, you could ask about the vague recollections of her mother by Leia. But in either case, going into the prequels "expecting" to see full blown explanations of seeming throw-away lines is probably the problem here. I mean, didn't we get all the angst of Han saying he had a feeling that he'd never see the Falcon again in RoTJ, only to have everything work out peachy? I know when I heard that, I thought Lando was a goner.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:28 a.m. CST

    "ROTS is just embarrassing when compared to Serenity."

    by TempusFugitive

    Ok, I call troll! The mind fucking boggles....

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:29 a.m. CST

    "There's something vaguely familiar about this place"


    I think Luke was hearkening back to his months baking in Amidala's hairy, moist vagina.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:30 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    I understand your point, but to me, Jar Jar stepping in poodoo is just as bad as "nerf herder." They're both just typically starwarsian examples of bad, bad humor.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:36 a.m. CST

    RotJ haters...

    by Spike Fett

    ...have no dick.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:39 a.m. CST


    by Mafu

    It's nice to see a few extra scenes from ROTS, but I'm just tired of Star Wars in general, so I felt no emotions at all upon seeing the pics. I know a lot of people love the prequels and the orginal trilogy, but I've personally had it with Star Wars. Next?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:39 a.m. CST


    by elric666

    It would have been nice if Lucas had just hired competent writers and a kewl director to do the prequels. The expectations were so high after 20 odd years from many of us fans that a director/writer of his low caliber just didn't have a chance. I'll give him 'visionary' credit but that's as far as it goes. It seemed like all the prequels were created just to sell plastic toys to emulate the 'plastic' actors that inhabited the films. ROTS was an absolute snooze fest literally throughout just as was AOTC. Then he could have started w/a clean slate on Eps. 7-8-9 "producing" only. At any rate, thank god it's over. SW needs a break like Star Trek. *sigh*...oh well~signed Disappointed SW Fan

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:39 a.m. CST

    ep iii

    by Hobbs

    This film is so much better when you just watch it instead concerning yourself with what the geeks at AICN are thinking. Yet here I am reading and posting. I guess I was made to suffer. It was a good film. I think the biggest difference between the first trilogy and the second has a whole lot more to do with our perspective changing over 20 years than it does with actual content of the films. That being said, it's Lucas' bad luck (if you can call hundreds of millions of dollars bad luck) that his very best work in this series was done in the first two installments (chronilogically not episodically, of course).

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Sith sucked and I'll probably never watch it again...

    by Russman

    it's just so sad that this movie was so bad. Lucas really let us all down. (sigh) what could have been had he hired a good screenwriter...

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:43 a.m. CST

    lol, i'm sure this TB will have over 10000000 posts in a few

    by CurryIce

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Spit on Neeson, too.

    by SalvatoreGravano

    I hope Lucas recorded that famous scene for the DVD after all, with a voice impersonator. Better yet - with a voice not at all similar to Neeson's, to say "Your participation is not necessary in the least".

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Childe Roland

    by Mr Jonse

    That really does sound like you're seeing the OT rose-tinted glasses & the PT through shit-tinted ones. The OT is superior, no question, but I reckon once enough times passed that the prequels aren't tainted with the (inevitable) weight of expectation/dissapointment that went with them, the whole saga will seem a lot more even...

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:53 a.m. CST


    by Ace Hunter

    I see it this way. The things you've mentioned as weaknesses were details which (mostly) I agree with. Han was P-whipped, Hamill has always sucked as an actor and every SW film has some cheesy lines. But, for me, ROTJ has a compelling story that helps me overlook some of those dodgy details. Luke willingly confronting Vadar and the Emperor. The Emperor's taunting as father and son duel (an impressive fight that debunks your "weak action scenes" comment in my opinion). The IDEA of a race with limited technology but skillful battle techniques is cool (would've been cooler if they were Wookies instead of merchandising Teddy Bears). To me ROTS was weak both in details (visuals, acting, dialogue) AS WELL AS a story that I did not care about. In other words, with ROTJ I can see the forest for the trees. With ROTS the forest and the trees are a rotted, disease-ridden mess. I don't think either one of us will convince the other, but I'd wager we're both SW fans of the overall series. Now let's go beat up some Trekkies.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:57 a.m. CST

    "Something vaguely familiar = Yoda. If you're going to pick

    by Regicidal_Maniac

    Well I'm not exactly NIT-PICKING when I point out that Luke says "There's someTHING vaguely familiar about THIS PLACE" as opposed to say "There's someONE vaguely familar..." Also Leia's memories of their mother are a far more egregious error and you were right in bringing it up as an example of how bad ROTS is. The PT has fakakta continuity and alls I'm sayin is it needn't have since it was written AFTER and had the benefit of knowing what was to come. It's the difference between good writing and a respect of your audience versus lazy and arrogant writing and only caring about your audience's wallets.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:59 a.m. CST

    "an impressive fight"

    by DocPazuzu

    I disagree about the ROTJ duel. Apart from a couple of cool moves, it mostly looks like two kids duelling with curtain rods, each afraid of hitting the other's knuckles and getting in trouble with their mothers. I mean just look at Luke when he's "pressing" the advantage, dragging his leg behind him and loudly waving his saber around. Vader actually backed away from THAT?!? Yes, let's kick some trekkie ass.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10 a.m. CST

    Will these scenes be put back in the movie or just "extras"?

    by jrbarker

    Anyone know?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Thanks Doc...

    by Ace Hunter

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:03 a.m. CST

    you've given me a reason to pop in my ROTJ dvd

    by Ace Hunter

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:04 a.m. CST

    One more thing, Ace...

    by DocPazuzu, it's not "The good guys always win - even in the 80s!".... I agree with the things you called "details" in my complaints about ROTJ, as pertaining to the film as an independent entity. However, they become much more than details to me because of the weight the characters are carrying from the previous two films. The love story from ESB never blooms and is reduced to an embarrassing display which, more than anything, looks like two teens who have fallen OUT of love but aren't quite sure how to break the news to the other so they keep going through the motions.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Oh come on Doc the choreography might not have been top notch bu

    by Regicidal_Maniac

    The very thing missing from all the expertly choreographed fights in the Prequels. Now where's by Klingon beating stick?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:04 a.m. CST

    OJ SIMPSON and AL COWLINGS at NecroComicon 2005 Sept.30th-Oct.2n

    by Zartan

    Sign up for the NecroComicon American Red Cross Blood Drive on Friday between 5pm-11pm, Sideshow and Lions Gate will be giving away prizes...

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:04 a.m. CST

    But Reg...

    by Mr Jonse

    ...his options from a writing point of view were: a) Padme lives at the end of ROTS and we never find out what happened to her or, b) She dies and the film ends with the kids being hidden. At the expense of a tiny and easily explainable inconsistency, I'd take the latter every time...

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:05 a.m. CST

    RotS biggest movie of the year...

    by acroyear77

    ...not bad for a movie that "sucked". King King won't make more than RotS and Serenity would be lucky to make 1/10th RotS intake. Get over it, losers.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:08 a.m. CST

    "but the ROTJ duel had emotion"

    by DocPazuzu

    Which is why its hamfisted execution is so much more aggravating. Set phasers to "shower".

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:12 a.m. CST

    As much as people hate ROTS

    by DigitalDong

    You all still saw it. Suckers.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:12 a.m. CST

    ROTS is #1 Best SW film of all time!

    by welther47

    It has impressive symbolism (transformation/revelation of the Devil right after the deal is struck; Palpatine destroying the Senate in more ways than one; Anakin dying giving birth to Vader while Padme dies giving birth to the twins; Vader's force-choke used to show both his destructive nature and his inability to let go), the fastest pace yet of a SW film, beautiful visuals, and the best story (how a hero turns on his friends and destroys them all) of the whole batch. It makes ALL the other five better films.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:12 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    What a mind-boggling list of geek faves, has-beens and never-weres. I wouldn't give them a fucking dime because of O.J. though.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Ah yes Jonse but if plotted better...

    by Regicidal_Maniac

    perhaps if Vader had turned at the end of II then Padme could have gone into hiding and been killed in a fit of revenge during the third film or something. It would have worked better if there was a love triangle between Padme and the swarthy Bail Organa and a brash idealistic Anakin. That way the child could watch as Vader (pre volcano) kills Padme and ObiWan arrives just too late to save her but just in time to save the kid. Something like that. I don't know and this point just reiterates why the prequels should probably never have even been made.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:14 a.m. CST

    I can't believe

    by clone-o-mat

    no one's talking about the awful composite job on the wide shot with Anakin and Obi Wan in the "water"...Holy cut and paste!

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Movie still sucks

    by Hate_Speech

    even with this "bonus" footage. Terrible movie.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Doc, we've got some common ground

    by Ace Hunter

    I agree ROTJ is the weakest of the original trilogy. But it still beats the ever-loving crap out of ROTS. If you want to talk about screwing up a love story, the prequel's embarassing attempt makes the Han/Leia relationship look like Bogie and Bacall. Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got ROTJ sitting in the DVD player waiting. (I'll close my eyes during the embarassing "special edition" crap).

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Serenity is a good movie

    by welther47

    Just not as good as ROTS. First off, it's not nearly as ambitious or creative. Also, though Whedon absolutely does a great job with his characters and the placement of important death scenes, overall the story is a wimp (apart from a kickass badguy). And Mr. Universe? Terrible.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:20 a.m. CST

    someTHING vs. someONE

    by TempusFugitive

    Well now see, that really IS nit-picking, since it's the "feeling" of Yoda that seemed familiar... a "thing" rather than a "one". Both this and Leia's memory of her mother were described vaguely enough as to be interpretable (word?) as "force" memories. In my mind, at least...

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:22 a.m. CST

    The problem with the plot of Serenity

    by welther47

    Is that it is a situation, not a story. There is precious little to be said about what these otherwise wonderful characters achieve or fail to achieve in terms of who and what they are. Basically, we already know that Mal will fight for his crew. Other than that, what else is there to this one?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:22 a.m. CST

    clone-o-mat, BallToucher drew my attention it it and it's an

    by Regicidal_Maniac

    Also to DigitalDong, yes I saw it but if it counts I was given a pirate DVD of the film, good quality pic and sound but peeyew on everything else. But you're right I did waste about 2 hours of my life on this dreck which is a shame. On the bright side my couch is muy muy comfortable and beats the ever living heck out of every cinema seat that doesn't come with Fujiko Kano at my personal disposal and I could pause it and go have a bath, or whatever, whenever I wanted to so that at least is a minor plus.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Jedi Standing in the Sewer Pic

    by Squashua

    They're standing in the water? NO. They're obviously standing in CGI!! CRAP! CRAP! CRAP, I SAY! Stop using CGI, Lucas! It's not like you don't have the money to purchase ACTUAL REAL LIFE EFFECTS!

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Fair point Reg...

    by Mr Jonse

    But then Vader would know about Leia. Plus no interaction *at all* between Anakin & Padme for the entire duration of the third film whould have made it very action-heavy/story-lite (though this may have been to some people's preference). But I know what you mean though...

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Serenity vs. ROTS vs. Spiderman vs. Throw Momma From the Train

    by TempusFugitive

    "<Movie title A> Sux! anyone who liked it is a luser! <Movie title B> rulz! It will pwn you!" Morons.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Imagine you&#39;d never seen Eps. 4-6...

    by welther47

    And you watched Eps. 1-3 as they came out. How freaked would you be by the destruction of the Jedi? Me? See, I think I&#39;d be pretty damned freaked.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:25 a.m. CST

    TempusFugitive, yes the fact that they are open to interpreattio

    by Regicidal_Maniac

    like trying to reconcile the PT with the OT does.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:26 a.m. CST

    I have seen Serenity

    by welther47

    And I said it was good. Just not the second coming.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Re: Mike Tee

    by Darth Busey

    That&#39;s great...too bad Serenity will be out of theaters in 3 weeks. There is no way this thing even comes close to $100 million domestic.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:29 a.m. CST

    "interpreattion" = interpretation

    by Regicidal_Maniac

    and with that, I&#39;m off to bed. This has been fun and I expect the post count to be thoroughly unwieldy when I get up tomorrow. Goodnight.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Course, that&#39;s if ...

    by welther47

    I would&#39;ve bothered after 1 & 2. Which I wouldn&#39;t have.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:31 a.m. CST


    by TempusFugitive

    I guess I just don&#39;t understand the folks who go off on these types of "inconsistencies". They are so small, so minor, so .... nit-like. Don&#39;t get me wrong, there are plenty of reasons to criticize the PT... the "romance" between Anakin and Padme made me literally cringe. (Yes, I mean literally... I actually physically cringed when I watched most of those scenes.) I just thought that the overall package still delivered enough that I could see past the crap and enjoy it. I won&#39;t ever call it a masterpiece, but I&#39;ll own the DVDs and admit to enjoying the movies.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Re: Mike Tee

    by welther47

    Man, all I can say is I&#39;m glad you&#39;ve found something you love that much. But wow: "Serenity is a physical manifestation of God"? Damn.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:38 a.m. CST

    by I like scotch

    is it me or does picture 7 remind anybody else of showgirls?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:38 a.m. CST

    EIII, in terms of continuity and relevance with the other 5 film

    by R.C. the "Wise"

    film where you rewatch it and constantly go "What if they would&#39;ve do this...or man they could&#39;ve done that...or he should&#39;ve been doing this for x amount of time..." It&#39;s just frustrating to view over and over...though I&#39;ll still borrow the DVD from time to time from my Dad. 2 minutes of Vader....that was utter bullshit. Hell, if you combine all the commericals that tide into the promotion/hype for the film, I&#39;m sure Vader&#39;s screen time would surpass the time spent in Revenge of the Sith. Lucas just better not fuck up the Tuskegee Airmen film he has planned next or so help me...

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Serenity is just

    by Falcon5768

    a poorly executed Cowboy Bebop episode without the enjoyable characters like Spike and Jet and without the decent and fun storyline that knows when to take it&#39;s self seriously, and when to not. Its pretty sad when a Anime released 5 years ago tells a better story than the TV show that ripped it off.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Mike Tee

    by TempusFugitive

    I apologize for thinking you were a garden-variety troll. "Serenity is a physical manifestation of God." ... bsolutely brilliant.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:45 a.m. CST

    You needed Episodes 1 and 2...

    by MechaTruffautMk2 order to make the third film work. You have to love how so many science-fiction and fantasy fans want everything to be "dark" and "super serious". What does that even mean? Somehow that equals great cinema? Episode 1 sets up the Star Wars universe and the major characters, Episode 2 expands their world and their emotional context, and Episode 3 seals the deal. Makes sense to me. It&#39;s not terribly well-done, it&#39;s all pretty cheesy, there are bad special effects, horrible dialouge passages and lots of things don&#39;t make sense. No shit??? These are big-budget B movies. Accept them as they are. Sure, think about them if you want, ponder what they have to say or what they represent, but don&#39;t blame them for being something they&#39;re not. So Chewbacca gave out a Tarzan yell? Holy God, eliminate Lucas from this mortal coil at once! SW is basically a big, fat, well-produced adventure serial, and what was one of the most popular old serials? Tarzan! Maybe it&#39;s not an homage...maybe it&#39;s just something Lucas wanted to throw in there for the hell of it. Stop bitching about it. These are not serious films, or dark films (well, I can&#39;t explain Obi-Wan carving Anakin to pieces and leaving the fucker - apparently his busom brother - to die a horrible death of tortuous fire, but hey...). Not that simply by virtue of being "dark" or "serious" a film is made good. They were never intended to be anything more than fun, space opera thrills. Reading more into it is just going to disappoint you. If you&#39;re over the age of 18 and still looking for a great philisophical impact in a movie called ATTACK OF THE CLONES, let me introduce you to some friends of mine: Ingmar Bergman, Andrei Tarkovsky, Michelangelo Antonioni, Nagisa Oshima and Michael Powell. None of their films have laser blasters, though. Sucks, I know. I hate to sound like a douchebag, and I&#39;m sure I probably do, but come on, fellas. If you really want to see something that doesn&#39;t have "Flat visuals. Flat story. Flat acting." do not see a fucking Star Wars film, for God&#39;s sake. What were you expecting? And Regicidal_Maniac, it&#39;s good to see that the Harry Knowles School of Movie Review Analogies is spitting out a good amount of graduates. Keep shooting for the stars!

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:46 a.m. CST

    I don&#39;t think my glasses...

    by Childe Roland

    ...are at all rose or shite colored, Jonse. I just like some of the Star Wars movies (Empire Strikes Back because it&#39;s a plain good film and Star Wars because of what it opened the door for, although it&#39;s hardly a good movie), am largely ambivalent about others (Return of the Jedi was a big disappointment but offered some decent moments, just like Revenge of the Sith, and Attack of the Clones was a definite step up from its immediate predecessor but not what it should have been) and despise another (The Phantom Menace is simply one of the worst movies of any kind that I&#39;ve ever seen). Star Wars was a clunky, quirky yet innovative and fantastic (in the truest sense of that word, not necessarily good) film that revolutionized the way Hollywood looked at sci fi. It&#39;s earned its place as a must-see film despite the hackneyed dialogue and patchwork cribbing from numerous sources that Lucas did in piecing together the story. Empire was well written and well acted with astounding special effects for the time. Coincidentally, it&#39;s the film where Lucas was the most hands off. Jedi was essentially a toy commercial, as was Menace (although Menace didn&#39;t even bother to dumb down the boring-as-hell backstory for the made us suffer through every intricate political maneuver yet insisted on also indulging every innane detail of young Anakin&#39;s gee-whiz life, successfully alienating two audiences even before introducing Jar Jar and the Charlie CHan Trade Federation to offend the minority vote). Attack of the Clones is almost impossible to judge as a stand alone film because it is so clearly the middle chapter of something. What&#39;s odd to me is that, despite thinking Sith is probably a more complete movie, I think I would watch Clones again first simply because I thought Ewan did a good job making me care about his character and his motives in that movie. Sith was poorly written, poorly acted and really just poorly conceived as a third installment of a trilogy. They could&#39;ve crammed the key elements of the first two prequels into one perhaps watchable film and spread the crucial story arc for Sith over two films and they MIGHT have gotten closer to nailing the significance of Vader&#39;s turn to the dark side. I say MIGHT because they still would have had to overcome Hayden&#39;s complete inability to emote and Portman&#39;s total inability to make it seem like she really cared about his character. And they still would have had to come up with a better reason for Vader to go over the deep end than "Well, I cut off Master Windu&#39;s hand, so I guess I might as well go and kill a bunch of kids...especially now that you&#39;ve already revealed you&#39;re the evil Sith Lord, Palpatine, and that you really don&#39;t know how to prevent Padme&#39;s death after all." That was just plain stupid and unbelievable. Made Vader seem like a dumbass (actually, Hayden&#39;s performance helped in this regard, what with his need to constantly say exactly what his character was thinking or feeling because he couldn&#39;t demonstrate it any other way). Not even Ewan and Ian, who both gave fairly decent performances, could salvage this movie. In fact, the more I think about it, I&#39;m changing my order of preference. Empire was a good movie. Star Wars had the virtue of being first and innovative. Clones is actually watchable. Jedi and Sith just make me angry and The Phantom Menace should never have been made. Does that view bother anyone out there who thinks that, to be a "true" Star Wars fan, you either have to love all three of the OT or the PT and despise the others? Good.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Trouble is though, R.C....

    by Mr Jonse

    Every geek in the world (in which I include myself) had a different version of Ep. III rattling round their head since the credits rolled on ROTJ. There was no way the film could meet the expectations of everyone. I for example never expected to see more than a couple of shots of Vader at the end so I wasn&#39;t disspointed by that. Also he couldn&#39;t possibly have maintained *total* continuity with the OT and still had a story that made sense. Suspend disbelief, dude. It&#39;s Star Wars...

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:51 a.m. CST


    by ChinkyWilly

    So Joss is the new Lucas, eh?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:51 a.m. CST

    If no one cares about Star Wars MikeTee, why are you posting in

    by I Dunno

    You might not like SW but saying no one cares about it anymore is asinine. BTW, I did see Serenity already, probably before a lot of people here and guess what? It was mediocre at best. I&#39;m frankly surprised it made it to the big screen. But do you see me trolling every Firefly TB with my worthless opinion? No. So shut the fuck fuck up about SW. It&#39;s all been said, ad nauseum.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Who cares?

    by samuraisix

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:57 a.m. CST

    what, no Don Adams tribute?

    by StovetopStuffin'

    where&#39;s the love for the late Don Adams?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Amen Stovetop

    by TempusFugitive

    R.I.P. Agent 86

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Alls I&#39;m a sayin&#39; Childe is...

    by Mr Jonse

    The OT gets forgiven for a lot of stuff that the PT get pilloried for. In Jedi, Lucas had the money and the excuse to have a load of different aliens in it. That doesn&#39;t make it a toy commercial. If anything, the Ewoks highlight the &#39;little people overthrowing tyranny&#39; thing loads better than Wookies would have. Your opinions are your own though dude and you don&#39;t *have* to like anything...

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:05 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    Settle down, Beavis. I mentioned the Tarzan yell (as well as other things) as an example of horrid cheesiness in the original films -- to emphasize the fact that said cheesiness isn&#39;t restricted to the prequels in any way. I love all the Star Wars films to varying degrees, and sometimes the B-movie cheesiness is a big part of that love.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Lightsabers and other probs in Return of the Jedi

    by thegreenvortex

    I rank Return of the Jedi last of the six movies for all the obvious reasons: Ewoks, recycled &#39;destroy the death star&#39; plot, no-balls Han, a villian that cannot move from his platform, and the terrible special edition changes. Mentioned less often but even more annoying to me are: all of a sudden, Harrison Ford&#39;s acting sucks ("Hey, point that thing someplace else!"); no fewer than four characters lecture Luke about his "destiny"; no logical explanation for how much time passed since ESB (long enough for Luke to acquire dark side powers like choking, long enough for Yoda to turn 900, long enough for Luke to build a lightsaber, long enough to rebuild the death star -- so I guess Lando&#39;s been infiltrating Jabba&#39;s Hut for the past couple years while Chewie&#39;s been doing...what? And Luke has been so busy with the rescue he hasn&#39;t had a chance to visit Yoda?) All Leia&#39;s money and they never tried to buy Han back before now? Good thing Lando is on the inside, he sure is critical to the escape plan. Han is so nice to have completely forgiven Lando an hour (from his point of view) after he turned him over to Vader. That Boba Fett sure was a badass fighter. Pretty nifty how Luke swung from the barge to the skiff while suspended from...nothing? Why didn&#39;t Luke drag dying Vader 10 more feet onto the shuttle before demasking him? In the time it took for the Ewoks to carry the boys to camp, Leia had time to change clothes and do her hair. Luke can lift C-3PO with the force, but he needs to throw a rock to flip a door switch? Isn&#39;t it amazing how Luke knew about the "center switch" on the enemy speeders that jams communications? But the kicker for me is the lightsaber BS. Why doesn&#39;t Luke&#39;s new saber damage any of those guys he whacks on the skiff? Not even a burn on their clothes. He might as well have been using a broom handle. How does Vader do a flip off his saber tip when the blade should instantly sink through the stairs? The final straw for me in ROTJ is when Vader is wheezing after he chucks the Emporer. All the nice work that went into his phony severed hand costume is wasted because Prowse is bending his wrist joint inside the sleeve and it is just jarringly obvious that he just has his hand pulled up into his sleeve. Couldn&#39;t you have fixed THAT in the special edition?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Perspective is the key...

    by mgg1025

    The OT was all GREAT movies when we were 10 and watching them in the theater. There was NOTHING like them that had ever been made before. The effects were all new, the genre was getting back up to speed, so we were all enthralled. My 5 year old LOVES them just as much as I did. When viewed today however, if you don&#39;t totally open your mind and take it for what it is - A MOVIE -, all this nit-picky BS will eat you up. I personally like the prequels more than the OT. Each movie is really meant to be a chapter in a much larger piece. As a single story, it&#39;s awesome. To see this young boy become such a tragic hero, completely fall from grace and untlimately be redeemed by the unconditional love of his son is amazing. Are there continuity flaws - perhaps. I may be slightly less jaded as I have read all the SW EU novels with the exception of the last few NJO books. Say what you will, but the SW universe has so much appeal that it has made its creator rich beyond imagination, changed our culture, changed film-making forever, successfully spread across several different entertainment mediums (movies, TV, books, toys, video games, etc.). There is so much to enjoy that I can overlook minor errors, I can forgive omissions - I can just sit back and enjoy them. I saw ANH when I was 6 and ROTS when I was 34. In between I played with the action figures, played all the video games (arcade, console, PC), pretended to be Luke Skywalker, imagined piloting an X-wing and enjoyed the movies with my daughter. Still and all, I treat the movies for what they are - enteratinment. They&#39;re a fun and relaxing way to forget about the real world for a couple of hours...

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Re: Why Luke remembers Dagobah

    by jbird669

    Yoda took Vader&#39;s fear with him to shield him the Emperor and keep himself hidden. Since Vader&#39;s his pops, and he has the same fear, it feels familiar to him.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:20 a.m. CST

    movies for kids

    by Noeland

    Lucas has alwasy said he made these films for kids more than adults. Obviously he&#39;s not the film maker he once was. Beyond that, what kids movies were like in the 70&#39;s and 80&#39;s, and what kids movies are like now are vastly different. You could make kids flicks with some intensity and scary moments. These days if you have a flick for kids it has to be watered down or the parents groups will march on your front lawn, and boycott you. The prequels suffer from two problems the OT didn&#39;t have. 1. George Lucas is now a very content old man with nothing to prove. I believe this is what truly removed the "teeth" from these prequel films. 2. He has surrounded himself with yes men to a degree, and rumour has it he will fire a person with out hesitation or remorse if he doesn&#39;t like what they have to say. If this is true, and it sure seems like it must be true, no one is going to say "Hey George, maybe that line sucks and it shouldn&#39;t be in the film, huh?" Gary Kurtz was once the man with that job, and a driving force in why the OT had some grit. YEAH, I know everyone knows this shit but I&#39;mhome with the flu and I feel like bitching!!!!! hahaha

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:20 a.m. CST


    by MechaTruffautMk2

    ...Doc, I wasn&#39;t singling you out. That&#39;s an argument against Return of the Jedi that I&#39;ve heard a million times from a million Star Wars fans. I like the SW movies very much, and I think they&#39;re very enjoyable. But they don&#39;t stand up to analysis. Of course they don&#39;t. They aren&#39;t supposed to. B-movie cheesiness IS Star Wars. That&#39;s all it is. Fun, cool, and of course nostalgic for people like most of us who grew up with the movies. I&#39;m 22 and know it from video, so I came in during the aftermath of it. I&#39;m sure other people have a stronger attachment. But no matter how much nostaglia you can glean from the original movies to shine the new ones, nothing will change the fact that these (originals included) are science-fiction action films, pretty much for kids, and that we&#39;re zealously discussing the social, political, emotional and historical value of these things in precise, intimate detail while still purporting to be serious movie fans. There&#39;s some kind of a disconnect there.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:21 a.m. CST


    by DrWhat

    As for the comparison of oct and anakin yelling "NO!!!!", ACTING had a lot to do with it.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:21 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    You forgot the shadow(!) from Vader&#39;s lightsaber on the floor.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Before Lucas directed the prequels

    by Crimson Dynamo

    He should have directed a couple of low-to-modest budget charater-driven films before trying his hand at the prequels. Instead, he just jumps feet first into the directors chair after decades away from it, and is shocked that his movies were duds.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Crimson - very true

    by Noeland

    I could not agree more. That&#39;s the first thing I said when I walked out of Phantom Menace. I loved that I had just seen a new StarWars film, and was dizzy from all Darth Maul fight, but knew it was lacking good character work, and a seasoned director. :)

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:41 a.m. CST

    General Grevous was a horrible character (with a horrible name)

    by chickychow

    Proved Lucas still didn&#39;t know what the fuck he was doing. I mean for him, Coughing was a character trait. What a waste of time this movie was.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:43 a.m. CST

    I appreciate that tastes are subjective, Jonse...

    by Childe Roland

    ...and I think you&#39;ll find as many OT excuse makers as you will PT apologists. I really think Star Wars has only given us one truly good movie that has transcended the genre to become something that stands the test of time. Like Star Trek&#39;s Wrath of Khan, The Empire Strikes Back had great villains facing off against familiar heroes and everyone involved was pretty much at the top of their acting game. None of the other movies in the OT or the PT really even come close to that one in story quality or execution. Just because I feel that way about one movie that happens to have been made as part of the original trilogy and I actively despise one movie that happened to be made as part of the prequel trilogy doesn&#39;t mean my Star Wars fanhood should be in question. I love most of the characters in the mythos. I love the underlying themes that stretch throughout the whole story arc. I just think the majority of the films weren&#39;t anywhere near as good as the ideas behind them and that several of them outright sucked as movies (further evidence, I think, that Lucas should just executive produce shit and keep his hands off during the creative process). The thing that pisses me off most about Sith and Jedi, I think, is that they weren&#39;t THAT far away from being able to be decent (perhaps even good) movies. Just a few bad story decisions and a few really bad reads of dialogue made them turkeys. As a fan, it bugs me to see that happen.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:46 a.m. CST


    by drewATX

    had a friend who has the symbols of the empire and rebel alliance on each forearm. He&#39;s now gotten them removed. What does that tell you? Also, are the Jedi&#39;s frogs? Then why the fuck are they jumping around all the time. I understand the force jump thing but it should have been done sparingly. Then, when Anakin does his first force jump it could have been a dramatic moment. Also, at of all these posts why does no one ever mention that Greivous sounds EXACTLY like Triumph the Insult Comic dog?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Crimson, Noeland -- on the money

    by filker-tom

    Even with some of that dreadful dialogue, the prequel trilogy could have been made to work. Lucas&#39; direction, not merely action and staging but most especially character acting, was SO bad, SO forced, SO cliched, that there was never a chance of it working. He made Samuel L. Jackson look bad. He made Ewan MacGregor look bad. HE MADE CHRISTOPHER LEE LOOK BAD. We KNOW these guys can act. We KNOW Portman can act. McDiarmid was the closest one to get out of there not looking like a complete ass, and, thanks to the Windu/window scene, he STILL looked like a complete ass. Lucas is not an actor&#39;s director, or an actor&#39;s writer, for that matter. That&#39;s why he needed Kazdan and Kirschner in the OT, and that&#39;s why the prequels fail.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:49 a.m. CST

    if there such great actors...

    by drewATX

    they wouldn&#39;t have needed that much direction in the 1st place!

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Shaak-Ti Death

    by Gorrister

    I could be mistaken, but I think (in the novel) Shaak-Ti was killed in the Jedi Temple by Anakin. Would have loved to see some Anakin vs Jedi action in the temple. Lucas really wimped out on that one by simply implying death.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Empire was the best...

    by tucson

    ...because the Imperial officer uniforms are hot. So there.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:54 a.m. CST


    by drewATX

    NEWSFLASH: Buffy is NOT in this movie! It looks like a TV version of 5th element. Is there a blue opera singing alien in it? Then, im not interested.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, noon CST


    by drewATX

    meaning Buffy was good and Serenity will be bad? Is that what you mean by yin and yang? By the way, I respect all of you.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Star Wars Fanboys circa 2005 are...

    by IAmLegolas

    ... still plugged into The Matrix. Stop feeding the Lucas machine(s), coppertops, and free your mind already, geezus. *** Nice to see some have taken the Red Pill on this TB, welcome!!!

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 12:04 p.m. CST

    The 2

    by Darth Maui

    I hope some of this stuff gets inserted into the movie. And I laugh at the people here who feel they have to fight off some urge to buy the movie. Don&#39;t get it if you don&#39;t want it. You only make yourself look like a fool for complaining about it.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Lucas wishes

    by Purgatori

    he had the talent of one of Joss&#39;s turds. Firefly had fans so loving of it that they got the movie made. I ask you, after the shit that Lucas fed us with the Prequel debacle do you think Star Wars fans would do half the work the Browncoats did to get another Star Wars movie made by him?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 12:11 p.m. CST

    by jaycieboy

    Face it , R.O.T.S. kicked ass thank you

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 12:13 p.m. CST

    yea o.k.

    by jaycieboy

    go back to your room fanboy

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 12:18 p.m. CST

    A Jedi can see the past and the future

    by Orionsangels

    Why is that so hard to understand? That&#39;s why Leia remembers her Mom. She&#39;s tapped into a memory that was locked in her head. Luke just didn&#39;t.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 12:18 p.m. CST

    These look like the best SW DVD deleted scenes yet. They&#39;re

    by Orionsangels

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Serenity sucks donkey balls

    by Jeditemple

    And will flop. RotS rules.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 12:21 p.m. CST

    It&#39;s been six years since the first prequel film came out an

    by Orionsangels

    Hahaha all that complaining trying to convert us, haha nice try though. SW forever!!!

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 12:23 p.m. CST

    I like Serenity because battle star galactic fans hate it

    by Orionsangels

    Serenity has better characters and they&#39;re cynical. Also Serenity is new concept and didn&#39;t reimagine an old TV series and ruin it.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Serenity = $10M opening weekend

    by la_sith


  • Sept. 28, 2005, 12:28 p.m. CST

    A ROTS Talkback huh?

    by Hervoyel

    "You will never find a more wretched hive of whiny fanboy virgins. We must be cautious..."

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 12:33 p.m. CST

    If you hated ROTS . . .

    by darthflagg

    You&#39;re a wanker. Not trying to be insulting, just stating a simple fact. And not just becuase you hated the best Star Wars film since 1980. But you actually went to see a film you knew you would hate. If I hate the first two films in a trilogy, I don&#39;t go and see the third one! It&#39;s that simple.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 12:37 p.m. CST

    That&#39;s a shame about Adam Baldwin

    by Darth Busey

    I would&#39;ve at least went up to say "I loved you in "My Bodyguard"!"

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 12:42 p.m. CST

    We don&#39;t need to see Yoda landing on Dagobah

    by performingmonkey

    If you view these movies I-VI then it&#39;s pointless showing Yoda land on Dagobah because it takes some mystery out of ESB when Luke goes there. This is one reason why Lucas took it out. Another is that it sort of goes together with the Qui-Gon voice scene (which better fucking be on this set or I&#39;m not buying it) &#39;cause this is why Yoda goes to a planet teeming with life, to learn about the living force. The Qui-Gon scene was cut from the movie because most people wouldn&#39;t remember who he is, especially if you only hear his voice. And the movie just needs to end at that stage. But if Lucas had any sense he would have put the scene in the digital version and so it&#39;d be on the DVD. But he didn&#39;t, the cunt. Much of ROTS was shit. I only went to see it because it had so much potential, but there were so many BAD BAD BAD moments, some that were worse than in AOTC because AOTC didn&#39;t matter as much. This was the only one of the three that needed to own but it didn&#39;t. The Anakin/Palpatine/Mace change scene was terrible. Lucas raped his own story by turning Palpatine into a really stupid villain who we&#39;re meant to believe is the most powerful evil being ever.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 12:55 p.m. CST

    "No no no no!!!" + "Gooooooooood" <<< Edit this Lucas

    by Jeditemple

    I agree that the Palpatine transformation was pretty bad and could have been a cool scene. Palpatine was too "over-the-top" during the fight and there was no reason for his voice to change so dramatically. He was trying to act too creepy and spooky and it didn&#39;t come across very well.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 1:02 p.m. CST

    That was rather random...

    by Childe Roland

    ...monkeytennis? On a completely unrelated topic, Orionsangels: You should check out both Cowboy Bebop and Outlaw Star. Both of these anime series predated Firefly by about four years and Whedon rehashed quite a bit of stuff from them in that series (the Western in Space motiff, the girl in the box, etc.). At least Battlestar Galactica&#39;s producers had the decency to acquire the rights to the franchise they pilfered.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 1:05 p.m. CST

    STFU Already!

    by NightArrows

    Buffy sucks serious ass. Any man who would watch it and praise it&#39;s supposed glories is in reality a closet drag queen who longs to be Buffy in the flesh but is probably too fat to leave mom and pop&#39;s basement without the assistance of a crane, let alone fit into a Buffy costume to fight...snicker...Vampires. Face it, movies can&#39;t be all things to all people, if you don&#39;t like the Prequels then move on and SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY we are tired of your fucking moaning and complaints and hypocritical shit, because you all run out and buy the movies even though you moan and complain here you ham fisted fuckwits. Not one Star Wars fan gives even two shits of what you think you. The greatest thing you could do for us is to go watch Serenity, the most expensive made for TV movie ever, wrap a rope around your neck and beat off til you choke to death while wearing your Buffy PJ&#39;s. In closing I hope you all get Herpies whilst being raped by the biggest Charlatan of them all Joss (chicks name) Whedon!

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 1:09 p.m. CST


    by InZodWeTrust

    Looks like a freaking TV movie. Plain awful. Notice how whedon hhasn&#39;t made ANY moves on Wonder Woman yet? It&#39;s because I am sure his deal is tentative. If Serenity fails (and it will), Whedon will get pulled from WW. As for everybody complaing about Greivous being a chicken shit and the coughing, he DID have a near-fatal encounter with Mace Windu in the clone Wars, where Windu force-crushed his chest, resulting in cutting his efficiency down. So there. Nyah nyah nyaaaaah.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Macho posturing makes you look far more gay or effeminate than l

    by TonyWilson

    Not need to get so tetchy about any of it is there?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Poor Shaak Ti, man, that&#39;s not nice to see!!! :(

    by Lord_Soth

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Yoda is an ugly baby

    by stvnhthr

    Does anyone know if the Yoda-ugly baby scene from the book got filmed? It would wreck the somber tone of the third act, but it was funny in the book.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Serenity? Buffy? WTF?

    by Lord_Soth

    F&#39;n retard stuff, again, Whedon is a talentless hack!

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Yeah because Shaak Ti is such a memorable character...

    by chickychow

    Why were none of the Jedi&#39;s in these prequels the least bit interesting? When they were all getting slaughtered I was like, Aw there goes... uh, who the fuck is that? Why should I care? At least Mace Windu&#39;s death was pretty funny.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Merchandise and quality

    by Mafu

    Good point, Dr. Touche. The Star Wars universe has out-merchanized all other movies ever made, including novels, toys, and comic books. Serenity could very well be a total flop, despite MikeToad&#39;s prediction that "Serenity has no bad characters, no bad scenes, no bad dialogue, no bad shots." This is a Star Wars talkback, so I&#39;ll leave that other movie opening Friday which I hope is good but could actually suck out of this discussion. I&#39;m sure the ROTS DVD will sell very well in stores and online.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 1:35 p.m. CST

    RC the Wise

    by Hobbs

    I tend to agree with your comments, although, I don&#39;t think I was quite as disappointed as you were, there were a lot of "if only" moments in Ep III. It wasn&#39;t as if this was an awful movie IMHO, but there were certain circumstances we knew would come to pass (and they did) but from a storytelling point of view it wasn&#39;t done in a terribly creative manner. Visually, though, the film was impressive. Part of visual success was because we were finally seeing these events actualized on film and part of the success is due to Lucas&#39; talent for creating great images. A good example of this was how Luke and Leia&#39;s guardianship was established. Visually, closing with the dual sunset shot on Tantooine was beautiful and incredibly moving in my opinion. But the fact that Yoda, Bail Organa, and Obi Won basically stood around and had a conversation that decided where the infants would go wasn&#39;t very creative. Overall, though, it was still a good movie, but not amazing - if only.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Shaak Ti

    by AniWan74


  • Sept. 28, 2005, 1:45 p.m. CST

    People love to bitch...

    by cowsaysmoo

    This is a really long talkback for pictures of deleted scenes from a dvd release of a movie. Star Wars still attracts the flies doesnt it? Me? I love Star Wars because watching them makes me feel 7 years old again.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 1:48 p.m. CST

    What?!? Star Wars isn&#39;t perfect?!?

    by kintar0

    Since when does something have to be perfect in order for you to love it?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Star Wars: Episode III: You Guys Will Watch Anything

    by Capt. Spaulding

    I once loved Star Wars, truly I did. I found redeeming qualities in the first two prequels (mostly because I wanted to). But, after seeing "Revenge of the Sith" I found myself in that position, you know, like when your girlfriend comes home with some other guys splooge on her for the fifth time. You think to yourself, "Why am I still here? Why am I defending what I know to be bad?" (I know that&#39;s a disgusting analogy, but it&#39;s all I could think of). George Lucas obviously doesn&#39;t give a flying fuck about his fans. Say what you will about "Lord of the Rings" or "Batman Begins" or even "Serenity," but at least those guys CARE about what they&#39;re doing. (No, I haven&#39;t seen "Serenity," I&#39;ve only read a few interviews with the man. No, I never watched "Buffy")The prequels, well, see, under there was a good story, it just needed a rewrite and someone there (like, say, Gary Kurtz who produced A New Hope and Empire) to say, "No, George, that&#39;s a really bad idea." No, Liam Neeson won&#39;t be on the DVD. He and Lucas don&#39;t get along because Neeson wanted Lucas to actually (gasp) DIRECT. The only thing the prequels are good for is showing off who is truly a good actor (Christopher Lee and Liam Neeson), because only a truly good actor could come out of those movies looking half way intelligent. Now, if you&#39;ll excuse me, I&#39;m off to battle aliens on a faraway planet. (Oh, that sounds like a good movie.)

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Lucas proves his stupidity once again

    by Thirteen 13

    by showing deleted scenes that should have been there in the first place. Good God Lucas did such a hideous awful job with these prequels that its no longer even sad. Its simply pathetic. And before you prequel apologists start whipping out the words "hater" or start making excuses about how the prequels are loved (which they are not) due to box office numbers, keep in mind they did so well because you prequel apologists paid full price to watch these things 25 times each. You may also wanna keep in mind that a long time ago in a galaxy far far away, that us so-called "haters" loved episodes 4 - 6. But this was back when Lucas didn&#39;t have complete creative control and had a lot of other talent working with him to reign in his Jar Jar childrens movie urges.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 1:59 p.m. CST

    "You can&#39;t win, I have the high ground!"

    by soylentphil

    When even Gilmore Girls makes fun of you, you know you phoned that shit in. Ep 3 was worse than any of them, because as you watched it dying on the vine in the theater, you knew the series had nowhere else to go.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 2 p.m. CST

    Oh, good

    by Bryan

    I was worried that with all the movies released, a hundred thousand bitter, petty people would be able to move on with their lives and find something else to rant about idiotically. It&#39;s good to see that the Era of Whining About Star Wars is still going strong. Also, remember that Clone Wars v. 2 doesn&#39;t come out until December, so that will be a good chance to go over all this same bullshit again.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 2:05 p.m. CST is it dead? Anybody have any news?

    by TodayzSpecial

    Its been down for a really long time, but it seems like other news articles refer to it? Is there something I&#39;m missing?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 2:07 p.m. CST

    You said it, Bryan

    by I Dunno

    Fucking wankers, the lot of you. Life is too short to bitch about a movie series you don&#39;t like for 6 fucking years. As for Serenity, all I&#39;m going to bother saying about that is you guys are fucking delusional. But you&#39;re not going to see me in any Serenity TBs complaining about it, especially not 6 years from now if they keep making them like you losers who are still crying about Jar Jar.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 2:09 p.m. CST


    by the M'hael

    you think showing yoda going to degobah is telling too much and ruining some mystery? how about revealing the entire arc of the OT by showing us vader is luke&#39;s father, and that leia is his sister.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Shak-Ti&#39;s Death Would Have Made Greivous More...

    by BojTrek

    If they actually showed Greivous killing Jedi, it would have made him a real villian... and given Obi-Wan a reason to hunt him down and stop him from killing more Jedi. I agree with someone above me... these prequels sucked and now that they are done... I say "thank god"... maybe George will die off and allow others to continue his story... Sequels should have been made, not prequels... we already knew this history... BORING!

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Nice to see that the Lucas sycophants are still sucking ass

    by Right Bastard

    and i love how they attack movies in other talkbacks for things that they overlook in the "new trilogy". And i love how they still take criticism of a film as a personal attack; as though they had anything to do with the all.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Revenge of the sith...

    by DuncanDisorderly

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Don&#39;t take this the wrong way, BojTrek but you sound like an

    by I Dunno

    Thank God SW is over...and yet you&#39;re posting in a SW TB. Are you a masochist or just bored?And the point of the story isn&#39;t the "surprises", what are you ten? The whole story was meant to be told in that order. If you thought the very idea of prequels was stupid then you shouldn&#39;t have let yourself be suckered in for all 3 films.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 2:32 p.m. CST

    If you haters dislike the prequels so much why do you waste your

    by Forestal

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Of course the B.O. numbers on the prequels are through the roof

    by IAmLegolas

    It&#39;s because the same 15,000,000+ nerds are watching it 20 times each.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 2:38 p.m. CST

    MikeTee do you have ANYTHING else to do?

    by chickychow

    I mean dude go to some porn sites or something.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Um, MikeTee?

    by Ban This User

    What the hell are you talking about? I have no opinion on Serenity because I haven&#39;t seen it yet (and I wish more of you fanboys would follow this example). But where are all these stellar reviews? I just checked rottentomatoes. There were a total of 9 reviews with an average score of 6.6 out of 10. Of the two "cream of the crop" reviews, one was positive and one was negative. That hardly sounds like a wave of critical support. I don&#39;t doubt that 99 percent of the Firefly fanboys who got into advanced crrenings loved it, but that&#39;s a lot like saying that 99 percent of diehard New England Patriot fans think Tom Brady is a better quarterback than Peyton Manning.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 2:42 p.m. CST

    "advanced screenings", that is

    by Ban This User

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 2:49 p.m. CST


    by Purgatori

    Let me explain something my dear. The fact that someone merchandised every thing he could to leech every last penny out of his fans because he knew there would be people dumb enough to buy Vader Toilet Paper doesn&#39;t mean it is better. It means he&#39;s a money grubbing loon with no fucking neck. Yes, we are still talking about the prequels...that&#39;s what we as fanboys and fangirls do. We talk sci-fi. The fact is, Serenity was made by some very talented people who give a shit about what they do. Another fact is Adam Baldwin, who you love to say is a no talent hack that no one at comicon was going up to (which is funny, since the Serenity panels were so packed that no one could get into them after only a few minutes of the room opening) at DragonCon raised over 11,000 dollars in autograph proceeds, that he gave to Kartina victims. I&#39;d say that SOMEONE likes him. And I&#39;m not dissing Episode 3, I&#39;m calling it too little too late. Lucas wrote himself into a corner and had to rush EVERYTHING in that movie. It was still a great flick, but it could have been so much more.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Anakin on Dagobah...

    by Mattxx

    It appears that a ship lands on Degobah. It looks like the ship that lands on Senator Organa&#39;s planet as well. Luke could have been on board the ship before it took off to Tatooine.(If it&#39;s the same ship) So he could have been there before. Well know in a month I guess.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 2:54 p.m. CST


    by Mattxx

    Sorry subject was meant to say, Luke on Degobah. I&#39;ve got learn how this English language system works.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Sorry, MikeTee

    by Ban This User

    But 6.6 out of 10 is 6.6 out of 10 no matter what sentence rottentomatoes picks out. And you may well be right about the "real" reviews, but neither you nor I know that yet. The question remains: what are all these great reviews you&#39;re talking about? If there aren&#39;t any, then just STFU until the reviews come out.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 3:02 p.m. CST

    No Offense Taken I Dunno

    by BojTrek

    What I meant was that I was completely disappointed with the prequels. And I am happy the prequels are finished. And I will never believe that this was the order he meant to make these films. I believe he had possibly a back story, but it is no way what we saw. I believe in my heart Lucas knew that Vader was a child corrupted by evil and that is it. What we saw was complete crap in my opinion.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 3:03 p.m. CST


    by Ban This User

    I checked your link, and aside from a couple of quotations from Scottish newspapers, I didn&#39;t see any reviews at all. You are, officially, full of it.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Oh, I get it.

    by Ban This User

    The reviews aren&#39;t that great, but the bad ones are wrong. I&#39;m done with you.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 3:14 p.m. CST


    by []D[][]V[][]D

    These screencaps come from MILLENNIUMFALCON.COM&#39;S DarthFirst the same dude that got the Original Trilogy DVD stuff out

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 3:16 p.m. CST

    ROTJ haters?

    by loafroaster

    HOW IN THE HELL can you say that ANY of the prequels are better than ROTJ? Jabba&#39;s Palace? The Rancor? Yoda/Vader&#39;s Death? The Luke/Vader/Emperor showdown? Lando and Nien Numb in the falcon? Chewie and the Ewoks in the AT-ST? Name ONE moment in any of the prequels that tops any of the above...

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 3:23 p.m. CST

    serenity maybe the maybe the film to make everyon

    by slappy jones

    ...but only about 10 people are going to see it this weekend so we will never know.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 3:24 p.m. CST

    High ground...

    by ZeroCorpse

    It DOES matter in swordplay, especially when the opponent has to jump from a floating platform, over your head, and onto ground that you are defending from a foot or more above his position. You are DEFENSELESS against such a defensive stance, and anyone who tries to rush a blade-weilding opponent in such a defensible position is going to get hit. If they were going up a hill or stairs, that would be different, but they were paused- Obi-Wan was in a defensive posture and Anakin had to traverse a distance OVER Obi-Wan to be able to strike effectively. Even if Anakin could block a blow in mid-air, he&#39;d still be wide open on his landing. PLUS we have to remember that Anakin was overconfident and careless. This IS basic swordmanship. I&#39;m trained in fencing, both Olympic-Style (no higher ground possible) and freestyle, and one thing any swordsman learns is that you don&#39;t rush an opponent in a defensive stance when they are a foot or more higher than you. You WILL lose, unless they really screw up. Think of it this way: You&#39;re on top of a mountain, and people are running up the mountain to get you. You have a baseball bat. Is anybody going to get anywhere near you if you&#39;re ready for ther attack, or are you going to swing at them when they can&#39;t possibly reach you?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 3:31 p.m. CST

    what I wanna see on the ep.3 dvd...

    by jig98

    WHEN ANAKIN GETS BURNED wan: i wont help you, anakin. anakin: THE ISLAND WILL FLOP! ROBOTS SUCKED ASS! [obi-wan turns away} palpatine: bring a medical capsule...and some marshmellows. i cant wait till burger king does the additional 17 toys on nov.7!

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 3:32 p.m. CST

    To be fair the UK press is loving Serenity

    by TonyWilson

    Great reviews in Total Film, Empire and Film Review plus positive noise from Premiere and SFX. The Broadsheets (redundadnt term now though) are also saying some very good things about it.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Voice of reason

    by Mafu

    For fans of Star Wars and/or Serenity, let me just say that MikeTroll/Tonay/Tonay2 is a creepy narcissist who presents his fatuous, half-baked opinions as fact. Seriously, I think MikeTroll is a 14-year-old kid who killed his parents with kitchen knives and is now sitting in a padded cell hunched over his laptop. He has crazy delusions of grandeur regarding Whedon, delusions he can&#39;t support with facts, so he keeps trolling and trolling because even the guards outside his door stopped paying attention to him weeks ago. You needn&#39;t ignore him, since this IS a talkback, but just don&#39;t take anything he writes seriously. Thank you.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 3:42 p.m. CST

    by Cameron1

    Yet it&#39;s in the top 5 most popular on that site.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 3:43 p.m. CST

    I&#39;m counting the days until SERENITY and I love FIREFLY and

    by IAmLegolas

    ... can we please kick that sh*t out of here? This thread is for bashing/defending SW movies. And occasionally ripping/defending Lucas. Thank you.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Dark Horizons

    by KID AB

    I can&#39;t access Dark Horizons either. Shame really as they apparently had a good Claire Danes interview on it. Any one going to say what&#39;s happened to it?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Oh I&#39;m sorry, your name is Touche

    by Purgatori

    not bad. Yeah, really bad reviews on that site, since it&#39;s rated B+. Bored now.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 3:53 p.m. CST


    by TonyWilson

    Touche the Douche got buuusted!!!

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 3:53 p.m. CST


    by Hate_Speech

    yep, I am. It&#39;s gonna rock and be #1 - Joss rules.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Darth Vader Is Gay

    by IAmLegolas

    Here&#39;s proof:

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 4:02 p.m. CST


    by BannedOnTheRun

    Not counting the TV spots, I&#39;ve now seen 11 whole frames of Episode III.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 4:07 p.m. CST


    by WONKABAR Search your feelings, you know it to be true

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Justwished they&#39;d show more of the Space Battle

    by Cpt Kirks 2pay

    The action on the ship probably has too much going on when everything is put back in, whereas I&#39;m still kicking every wall I see in anger taht with a huge massive epic space battle going on in hte beginning, they couldn&#39;t dedicate more than 5 minutes to it and made it a big fuck action piece that we&#39;ve been waiting 2 decades for. A couple of Clone ships getting destroyed and Buzz droids, but no epic dogfights for the 2 jedis. WHAT - A - MISSED - OPPORTUNITY.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Just wished they&#39;d show more of the Space Battle

    by Cpt Kirks 2pay

    The action on the ship probably has too much going on when everything is put back in, whereas I&#39;m still kicking every wall I see in anger taht with a huge massive epic space battle going on in hte beginning, they couldn&#39;t dedicate more than 5 minutes to it and made it a big fuck action piece that we&#39;ve been waiting 2 decades for. A couple of Clone ships getting destroyed and Buzz droids, but no epic dogfights for the 2 jedis. WHAT - A - MISSED - OPPORTUNITY.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Just wished they&#39;d show more of the Space Battle

    by Cpt Kirks 2pay

    The action on the ship probably has too much going on when everything is put back in, whereas I&#39;m still kicking every wall I see in anger taht with a huge massive epic space battle going on in hte beginning, they couldn&#39;t dedicate more than 5 minutes to it and made it a big fuck action piece that we&#39;ve been waiting 2 decades for. A couple of Clone ships getting destroyed and Buzz droids, but no epic dogfights for the 2 jedis. WHAT - A - MISSED - OPPORTUNITY.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 4:18 p.m. CST


    by coldreboot

    Seriously, it&#39;s only because you all want the origin story of Han Solo&#39;s left shoe that we are in this mess. Why do fanbois always want something explained to them down to the last detail? Oh that&#39;s right, because if they don&#39;t we get crap like &#39;Who is Syfo-Dyas?&#39; or &#39;Sidious is Palpatine&#39;s Clone!&#39;. I&#39;m glad these are deleted scenes. Hell, there should have been more of them. How was A New Hope originally realised? It was a pile of shite. Then a quick run through the editing suite, and blamo! A masterpiece. He needs to do the same with the prequals. There are great Star Wars films in there somewhere. The Phantom Edit proved that.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Just wished they&#39;d show more of the Space Battle

    by Cpt Kirks 2pay

    The action on the ship probably has too much going on when everything is put back in, whereas I&#39;m still kicking every wall I see in anger that with a huge massive epic space battle going on in the beginning, they couldn&#39;t dedicate more than 5 minutes to it and made it a big fuck action piece that we&#39;ve been waiting 2 decades for. A couple of Clone ships getting destroyed and Buzz droids, but no epic dogfights for the 2 jedis. WHAT - A - MISSED - OPPORTUNITY.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 4:20 p.m. CST


    by coldreboot

    Seriously, it&#39;s only because you all want the origin story of Han Solo&#39;s left shoe that we are in this mess. Why do fanbois always want something explained to them down to the last detail? Oh that&#39;s right, because if they don&#39;t we get crap like &#39;Who is Syfo-Dyas?&#39; or &#39;Sidious is Palpatine&#39;s Clone!&#39;. I&#39;m glad these are deleted scenes. Hell, there should have been more of them. How was A New Hope originally realised? It was a pile of shite. Then a quick run through the editing suite, and blamo! A masterpiece. He needs to do the same with the prequals. There are great Star Wars films in there somewhere. The Phantom Edit proved that.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 4:22 p.m. CST

    What&#39;s with this "portal to the phantom zone" shite?

    by FusionAddict

    And who the hell is "Bizarro Doc"?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Trekkies are fun to bludgeon...

    by tango fett

    I am a fan of all of the Star Wars movies, and even though your criticisms are valid (horrible acting and dialogue, mainly in AOTC), I still watch them consistantly. Maybe the younger you are the more enjoyable they become of something, and since I&#39;m well into my teenage years, Episode III was still appealing (one reason obviously is well, it was Star Wars, how could I not like it?) because it actually did get pretty fucking dark as far as SW movies go. But that aside, I thought it was incredible, and it is the second best movie I&#39;ve seen this year (Batman Begins being the first because even though I&#39;m a SW nerd, I got into Batman first). I feel like I should defend ROTJ, because I&#39;ve always liked it, even the ewoks, but whoever said the Final Duel at the end was the best was because there was urgency in it, kind of like the storming of the black gate in ROTK, it&#39;s just like "Oh fuck, this is pivotal" ya know? Duel of the Fates wasn&#39;t quite that, the saber battles in AOTC were pretty lame mostly, but the Battle of the Heroes got really damn close to it, not an easy task. Ultimately, this is my order: 1.ESB, 2.ROTS, 3.ROTJ, 4.SW (or ANH, whatever), 5.TPM, 6.AOTC. These pics are great (except for the one where they are in the water, looks like fucking Sky Captain or somethin, very fake and poopy. Out.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 4:39 p.m. CST

    What about the scene...

    by xXRedflyXx

    When Yoda gets to Dagobah and Frank Oz puts his hand up his ass? I think that would be a good tie in to Empire.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Well, I liked it and frankly I don&#39;t care what others think

    by Gabba-UK

    The prequels weren&#39;t as good as the original but then again I did see them when I was 7, 10 and 13, as opposed to 27, 30 and 33. That might have more to do with it than anything else. Peace.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 4:51 p.m. CST

    There are three moments in the whole of ROTS that don&#39;t work

    by togmeister

    One is obvious. The other two are the &#39;No it&#39;s because i&#39;m so in love with YOU&#39; moment and Palpatine&#39;s gurning after Mace gets chucked out of the window. That amounts to about 30 seconds out of a near 2 and a half hour movie. If that ruined the movie for you then i&#39;m sorry for you. The rest of us lapped up the best Star Wars film since 1980. What about the Order 66 sequence and the music John Williams wrote for that scene? What about the AWESOME scene in the theater when Palpatine gives Ani the history of the Sith and convinces us, let alone him, that the Jedi are the wrong&#39;uns and the whole galaxy would be better off if the Sith were in charge. What about the amazing opening shot, the most arresting, bombarding start to any movie since Saving Private Ryan? What about some of the best modelwork ever committed to film (the freighter crash, the Grievous chase, the pans across Coruscant)? What about &#39;It&#39;s treason, then.&#39;? What about Yoda dropping his stick and nearly collapsing when he realises the Jedi are going down all over the galaxy? What about Obi-Wan&#39;s deadpan &#39;So uncivilized&#39; as he tosses away the blaster after capping Grievous? What about Palpatine&#39;s &#39;DO IT&#39; as Anakin holds two lightsabers to Dooku&#39;s throat? What about the &#39;frozen in time&#39; moment just before Mace goes to arrest Palpatine, and Anakin and Padme think about each other and the music seems to be channelling The Passion of the Christ? What about the great low-angle shot as Mace and the posse go into Palpatine&#39;s office to arrest him. (We finally get the point that Lucas has always made, that the Jedi aren&#39;t so much a religion as marshals in the Old West) What about Tion Medon, the coolest-looking alien in the prequels (no rubber masks here), and the way he leans in close and whispers &#39;He&#39;s HERE&#39; to Obi-Wan? What about Anakin bursting into flames and STILL defiant - &#39;I HATE YOU!&#39;.? What about Yoda taking out those guards just by shrugging his shoulders? What about the double sunset on Tattooine? What about the venom Mcgregor gets into &#39;Let her go&#39; just before his confrontation with Anakin? What about the scene on the veranda (&#39;Anakin is the father isn&#39;t he? Then i&#39;m terribly sorry&#39;)? What about the lovely irony that Anakin&#39;s desire to stop his wife dying in childbirth leads directly to the circumstances in which that is exactly what happens (or were you just not sharp enough to notice?) What about the close-up of the necklace at Padme&#39;s funeral? So NONE of these moments got your Star Wars juices flowing at all? Too bad for you, great for the rest of us as we get one more movie to enjoy.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 4:58 p.m. CST


    by Fortunesfool

    More pointless stupid rubbish to bloat out a pretty pointless bloated rubbish movie. I&#39;m sure these scenes are just what was missing from the theatrical version to make it the great star wars movie it should have been. Possibly re-writing and re-shooting it with a talented writer director would be more beneficial.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 4:59 p.m. CST

    What&#39;s with all this SW - Serenity comparison?

    by Right Bastard

    1) I love Firefly, but Serenity will not out-box Star Wars. Even more so on a "big geek" weekend with Mirror Mask and Cronenberg also opening. 2) These are entirely differend genre. Serenity is a sci-fi/Western and Star Wars is a Fantasy. It&#39;s like comparing Aliens to Excalber. 3) Who care what wins at the box office? You&#39;d have to be an idiot to think it means anything. There is no correlation between box office and quality. Most good and challenging films (resevoir dogs, requium for a dream, full metal jacket) never had high box office reports. Arguing that something will "do better" or "do worse" a terrible and pointless argument to make. Who cares how is does? What I want to know is: is it any good?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 5:01 p.m. CST

    You can&#39;t be a little kid again

    by Clarence Worely

    I am sorry for all of you who wish Star Wars movies recaptured your imagination like they did when you were a little kid and saw them first. You are not a little kid anymore. The wonder is gone. You have grown into jaded, cynical adults. You may still be incredibly immature, but you are a kid no more. See, when you were a little kid, you were still filled with wonder and silly fantasy movies (Star Wars is most definitely Fantasy and not Science Fiction) with great FX took you to on a wonderful ride fueled by imagination and suspension of disbelief. Now, you can

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 5:06 p.m. CST

    better marketing

    by Guy Gaduois

    there has never been better marketing than Lucas&#39;. He took one good idea, stretched it into about 2.5 movies worth of non-suckery and pillaged my wallet with sh*t product for the other 3.5 movies worth of time and energy. I think LESS (ahem) "acting" by H.Christiansen would have been better. The dialogue was intentionally campy in epIV, and serious in V, back to semi swashbuckling camp in the first third of VI and everything else has been overwrought, self important bad crap since. There&#39;s so much wrong with what that dude did with some cool characters and a really great (and derivative) idea . . . There is no doubt that as sure as gravity is, nobody is ever going to make more than one sequel to a great movie that can even candle-hold. You&#39;ve got a very respectable collection of part II movies in many genres, but just like television shows turn to diarrhea after year 4 (often sooner), movies? Two at best. I also think it&#39;s important to note that Darth Vader ain&#39;t near the badass GL wanted us all to believe &#39;cause he never beat Obi Wan. Greatest Jedi Ever - and why they f&#39;ed with that, making him seem like a nervous nellie in II, I will never understand. George Lucas is an Ewok Turd.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 5:08 p.m. CST

    RE: You can&#39;t be a little kid again

    by Right Bastard

    Still making that argument? The first trilogy appealed to ALL AGES, not just 5-12 year old intellect. The dialogue in the real trilogy was quick, snappy, and relatively well written in comparison. I&#39;d go to Tochi station for a power converter and drop zen philosophy with yoda any day over having a wizard talk about midichlorians. I&#39;d rather watch Han get Leah by being a dick than watch Anakin whine stalker obsessive over Padme.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Already saw Serenity...

    by PurityOfEssence

    Fun movie saw it in may, I don&#39;t know how well it will do. Doesn&#39;t seem to have a very good ad campaign. Hope it does do well though. As far as Star Wars versus Serenity... why waste your time bickering. I still don&#39;t know how Serenity managed not to seem completley cheesy though... not an insult, but much of the dialogue seems like it should be flat out cheese but works - without being cheesy. Stream of conciousness... never mind.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Already saw Serenity...

    by PurityOfEssence

    Fun movie saw it in may, I don&#39;t know how well it will do. Doesn&#39;t seem to have a very good ad campaign. Hope it does do well though. As far as Star Wars versus Serenity... why waste your time bickering. I still don&#39;t know how Serenity managed not to seem completley cheesy though... not an insult, but much of the dialogue seems like it should be flat out cheese but works - without being cheesy. Stream of conciousness... never mind.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 5:18 p.m. CST

    No one pillaged anything, Guy Gaduois

    by I Dunno

    You sound like a bitch. If Lucas wanted to "pillage" anyone there would be 10 more SW films than there are. If you don&#39;t like them don&#39;t watch them but going out of your way to rip on them in a SW TB is almost as pathetic as me taking the time out to respond.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 5:18 p.m. CST


    by jig98

    i am in deseperate need of some people agreeing with me on my movie knowledge here. i need to have someone on this forum saying "hey, jig98, yada yada yada,i agree with you on star wars and how the sucky prequels were NOT because of the fans" ok. thats all. thanx.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 5:21 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    You are correct in every observation, sir!

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 5:33 p.m. CST


    by Cpt Kirks 2pay

    Exactly right on all counts. Good to note small specific moments ratehr than bigger ones or scenes. My fave little moment is the bit where the 2 Jedi fighters at the beginning dive and you&#39;re immediately presented with the lbreathtaking establishing ong shot of the whole Battle.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 5:38 p.m. CST


    by BenFerris

    Seeing the Dagaboh Sky line like that just gives me great tingles, I&#39;m glad that atleast finished the CG in the scenes, that was very nice of them.

  • "And the funny thing was that it also diminished one of the main characters story arch. Ep1- Invasion of the Queens world. Ep2- Assasination Attempt that uncovers a larger mystery. Ep3- Sits around her apartment and then has children." Sorry. Conversation I had with someone who hasn&#39;t seen the new Trilogy but loves the old. And to rant- that isn&#39;t even one of those really obvious spoilers (like Yoda landing on Degobah) and would have made a nice mirror to ROTJ.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 5:51 p.m. CST

    ROTS definitely lacked, but the score was great

    by monorail77

    You goota give props to John Williams for consistently turning out good scores for these films. The "Battle of the Heroes" cut is really very good, I think. Damn, even his score for Prisoner of Azkaban was good - original and decent. Too bad ROTS didn&#39;t live up to its rousing score.

  • Fuck yeah. You gotta love the creative department.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 6:03 p.m. CST

    TURNING YOUR BACK ON LUCAS IS BS... and other stuff

    by moto

    I just hate seeing people turn their backs on Lucas. If it weren&#39;t for him, you wouldn&#39;t have sci-fi films in the mainstream. If it weren&#39;t for him, you wouldn&#39;t have the original trilogy that you grew up with. If it weren&#39;t for him, you would have had to wait a looooong time to see the kind of special effects push that ILM started. Hey, he did screw up the prequels for the most part. Even SW3, albeit a finally entertaining film, has major flaws of acting, story structure, etc. SW1 and SW2 had their moments. BUT the guy gaev you a better part of your childhood. He offered a chance for us to open our imaginations. The OT offered adults to do so as well. Perhaps he is better suited as a producer/creator. Perhaps he should have directed only SW1, and then handed off the helm. There would have been PLENTY of directors hoping to take on a film in the franchise they grew up with... thus we would have had a much better trilogy. But God, don&#39;t bite the hand that fed you. ********************* Here&#39;s my spin on the romance side of the PT, or lack there of to some. I think the romance between Anakin and Padme seemed forced because Anakin was using the dark side/force to manipulate her into loving him. Sure, you can argue that this only works with weak minds, but I do like the thought that Anakin seduced Padme. He was obsessed with her. He layed it down thick. ****** SW1 and 2 should have been one film. SW3 should have been two. SW2 (my version) should have ended with the question of whether Anakin would go to the dark side. Or perhaps ended with the creation of Vader, and have the third film tell the story of the execution of the Jedi. ******* In the end, you take what you want from each SW film and make it your own. New Hope was great visually. It was frickin&#39; GENIUS visually... creating this world out of thin air. Empire was dark as hell and should have been nominated for Best Picture. It was a greek opera. ROTJ was lighter yes... but the saber battles were awesome. The end space battle was FAR more superior to New Hope. ************ Special Edition OT? The ONLY good thing that came out of that was the updated space battle at the end of New Hope... and mayb e part of the Mos Eisley outside scenary. THANK GOD I HAVE THE LASER DISC VERSION OF THE OT FILMS BURNED ON DVD!!!!! The films are untouched and the quality is about 95% compared to a new release. I will always have that to look back on and I will show my little boy these versions as soon as he&#39;s old enough to enjoy. In the end, I&#39;m thankful for Lucas. Despite his misses. Hey, Spielberg made Hook and I still respect him (Although the first half of Hook is excellent). Coppola made JACK. Etc.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 6:26 p.m. CST

    I am an enormous Star Wars fan....

    by onefalsemove

    ...but I think ROTS was total crap. I was angry leaving the theatre. I was not after seeing TPM or AOTC. I have a freaking Darth Vader tattoo on my left arm, but I still think that ROTS was an hour and 20 minutes of nonsense, then one ok scene. I am not sure if I am even going to buy this stupid DVD.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 6:28 p.m. CST

    You Can Be Grateful To Lucas For What He&#39;s Done

    by BrunoTheDog

    and still not like what he&#39;s doing. I appreciate that he helped sci-fi become a more mainstream genre (though, in all honesty, how many *great* sci-fi films have there been?), and I appreciate his contributions to film as a whole, but that doesn&#39;t mean that I am obligated to accept without comment or criticism his new work. The Prequels were not up to snuff, in my opinion, and though RotS was ultimately a pretty good movie, none of them matched the OT films in feeling or story as far as I am concerned.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Must Read Slower Next Time

    by tonagan

    I thought this was about deleted scenes from the ROOTS DVD. Imagine my puzzlement.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Star Wars is a Mid-Life Crisis

    by Gorrister

    I just want to open by saying that I grew up as a Star Wars fan. That said, Star Wars is old-school SciFi. If these prequels had been made without the original trilogy (and established fan base) to support it, they would have failed miserably because they are about as interesting as "Commando Cody" reruns. The prequels are basically Lucas&#39; mid-life crisis. Trying to recapture his glory days and cashing in on thirtysomething SciFi geeks trying to relive their childhoods. If you want to future of SciFi/Fantasy storytelling, turn to shows like Firefly and new Battlestar Galactica. These are well-scripted stories that are about PEOPLE....not flashy special effects. SciFi is the backdrop of these stories, not the main attraction. Lucas puts effects first, story and plot second and quality actors a distant third. If nothing else, think of the Prequels as a 6 hour advertisement for ILM&#39;s CGI devision.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 6:37 p.m. CST

    "Glowing" Liam Neeson

    by Gorrister

    By the way, you&#39;ll never see Liam in ROTS in any way shape or form. Liam went on record after the release of AOTC that he would never have anything to do with Star Wars again, even though he was supposed to return for a cameo in ROTS. He was disgusted by how lucas turned the movie into a CGI-fest and ignored anything that would actually improve the storyline. (I&#39;m paraphrasing, but that is pretty much what he said)

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 6:49 p.m. CST

    lightsaber peeing

    by Sir Loin

    Doesn&#39;t it look like Anakin & Obi-Wan are taking lightsaber leaks in that one shot? And they managed to do it in a perfect circle! That&#39;s some badass Jedi Force-peeing for you.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Star Wars movie or not, PHANTOM MENACE is simply not a good movi

    by chickychow

    And people who cannot see that are kidding themselves. It really isn&#39;t even subjective. There&#39;s no getting around the fact that its a terrible piece of work.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 7:20 p.m. CST

    George Lucas and Writing

    by alanmoore

    Yes, we could argue that George Lucas is/was a visionary (depending upon your opinion of the prequels). I&#39;d like to compare George Lucas with other writers. Since he wrote - and its dialogue and story most people have a lot of issues with when it comes to Star Wars, and last I checked, that&#39;s what writing is all about - let&#39;s focus on that, shall we? Lets compare Lucas with other writers. And since he aspires to make his stories Epic, let&#39;s try another writer. Well, gee, not many screenwriters aspire to that. So I&#39;ll do something unheard of in a talkback - I will jump out of context and mention a writer of genre fiction. Lets choose someone equally derided, equally celebrated. Only novels (because his screenplays ain&#39;t good; just like Lucas&#39;s aren&#39;t supposed to be): Stephen King ... and I hear the scrollbars revving, the keyboards clacking, the flamethrowers charging like positron colliders. But anyway. In his "Dark Tower" series (which a lot of his fans, even me, loved, and an equal amount, just like George Lucas&#39;s fans, threw the final book of across the room because of its final chatper), King noticed, around the fifth book, that there was a serious continuity error. No, not just one. A bunch of &#39;em. So he went back and revised the spot in the first book&#39;s manuscript (a thing Lucas ought to have his own award category for - just substitute Avid editing machines, Shake software, SGI and Apple computers for King&#39;s word processor). And since it was being republished anyway, King asked - did not order a yes man; he asked - if the publisher would kindly publish this newly re-edited version of the first book instead. The result? Seamless continuity. With all of George&#39;s techno-miracles, why wasn&#39;t this possible?


  • Sept. 28, 2005, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Jig, here&#39;s a response: Shut the hell up.

    by chickychow

    cuz you sound like a bleedin&#39; moron.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 7:40 p.m. CST

    by Aragorn II

    Just can&#39;t resist.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 7:47 p.m. CST


    by Oldmangimper


  • Sept. 28, 2005, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Erm Mr. J err JG98 Sir...

    by seppukudkurosawa

    I to-totttally aggggree with you Mr. B-butters and Cartman are the best characters. B-b-but the prequels weren&#39;t that greeat. Ppplease don&#39;t hurt me th-though.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 8:12 p.m. CST

    "Princess" Leia?

    by Oozman

    Sorry if this has been raised before, but why the F*** is she a Princess in any way that Darth Vader would not immediately know who she is in Ep IV? Did Lucas make Amidala a Queen in Ep I for no reason and then forget to mention that Bail was the King of Alderan? Explain fellow geeks!!!

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 8:13 p.m. CST


    by seppukudkurosawa

    Exchange all Star Wars references in your last post and swap them for Tarantino counterparts. There you go I&#39;ve just described mrfantasto&#39;s existence.

  • Any continuities people see in the films are either a result of not paying attention or not thinking things through.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 8:32 p.m. CST

    continuity errors that is

    by I Dunno

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 8:53 p.m. CST

    The "NOOOOOOO!"

    by AttackingClone

    What are the chances of that line being re-done, because of all the complaints about it, for the DVD release? I love this movie, but that line just don&#39;t work. All he has to do is change it to just a "yaaargh", a scream, but a cool one.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:01 p.m. CST

    If Lucas Did re-do the line, you realise it would open up the fl

    by seppukudkurosawa

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:10 p.m. CST

    "Princess" Leia


    There&#39;s a simple explaination. Lucas is a moron. "Elected queen" "I was not the youngest queen ever elected" Stop and think about how stupid that sounds. If the people of the republic-systems are dumb enough to "elect" "queens" younger than 14 to rule their planet...they desearve to be taken over by the empire.

  • Leia can&#39;t be a Princess from her mother because the Queen thing isn&#39;t inherited. For the Princess thing and Bail thing to work, he would have to marrie the Queen and be the Regent (?) King? Then the title of Princess would be carried on to thier child. "Sometimes the best place to hide is right out in Public" And Padme&#39;s Funeral is staged to make it look like the children died with her. That&#39;s why the Camera focus&#39; directly on her swallen pregnant belly and lingers there during her funeral scene. Vader thinks the children are dead he has no reason to expect Leia is his child and in A New Hope he doesn&#39;t.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:29 p.m. CST

    If only poor "Shaak-ti" knew "Shaq-fu"...

    by pizzatheface

    this might have ended differently.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Clarification on the Bail issue.

    by lutz

    What I mean is if Bail where a Senator that married the Queen of Alderaan even during the movies he would have no ruling power and would probably stay in his role as a Senator. It seems to me that he married between Eps 1&3 as when Amidala asks "Who else has been nominated?" in Ep1 they call him "Bail Antilles of Alderaan". The fact that Bail takes on his wife&#39;s name is probably significant.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Come on guys, research is half of writing

    by Warbonnet

    according to the official site: "If ever one needed an example of the irredeemable evil that was the Empire, turn to the shattered remains of Alderaan. An influential world, Alderaan was represented in the waning days of the Republic by such venerated politicians as Bail Antilles and Bail Organa."

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:40 p.m. CST

    ROTS Anti-Fan Boys

    by Mako

    It&#39;s the other way around. 15,000 anti-SW fan boys still went to see the movie.... but like to waste time and post here thinking they&#39;re above the majority that actually liked it. It&#39;s okay... at least the minority is in denial. Life does go on for the majority who know it&#39;s just an entertaining movie.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:50 p.m. CST

    The original trilogy on DVD?

    by Orionsangels

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:52 p.m. CST

    I don&#39;t know how anyone can hate any star wars film

    by Orionsangels

    I love the SW universe, the good and the bad. I just love that world and always will

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:53 p.m. CST

    FU Bob

    by Gorrister

    It&#39;s really easy to throw "bring me the source" in a debate. Yeah, I suppose you expect me to go back in time three years, record that CNN interview and jump forward in time to lay it at your feet. Come back to reality. I know what I saw and I know what I heard. Liam Neeson hated Attack of the Clones and said although he enjoyed working with Lucas, he wasn&#39;t interested in coming back because the movies are all special effects and no story.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:06 p.m. CST


    by bubcus

    1) Return of the Jedi was a good movie. And despite the annoying changes, stands well. Sure we can nitpic here and there. I still love the space battle and I don&#39;t mind the ewoks at all. I think things were very well executed. PERSONALLY, the only scene I thought was weak in the film involved Luke telling Leia who she is and then Han coming in. It&#39;s weak, but passable. ******************** 2) Revenge of the Sith, was, as some people say, flat. Luke should have briefly been with Yoda on Degobah, Anakin should have said something some time of "hey, if I ever have a son and I should not live, I want him to have this..." - there&#39;s a lot of things. I didn&#39;t enjoy ROTS as much as I had hoped to. People that loved it may sing a different tune as they rewatch it a few times. I found the editing to be choppy and unsure and some sequences were really hard to deal with. I thought it would have been better having Clone Troopers kill the little padawans under Anakin&#39;s watchful eye, and there&#39;s the "Nooo" the "she&#39;s lost the will to..." blah blah blah. MY FAVORITE SCENE IN ALL THREE PREQUELS THAT STAYS IN MY MIND AND RINGS TRUE: is when Anakin lay there de-limbed and burning, looks at Obi-Wan with a raging hate and screams "I hate you." THAT WAS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL AND POTENT scene of the whole prequel trilogy. THAT was the one moment in all these past 6 years where I felt "THIS IS THE STAR WARS FEELING I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR!" That one scene. Everything else felt awkward. ROTS isn&#39;t a brilliant or great movie, but it&#39;s George&#39;s vision and we&#39;ll simply have to deal with it (whether we agree with it or not). At any rate, my love remains with the Original Trilogy and I appreciate tid-bits from the new ones. Now I get to figure out what&#39;s next for me and my cinematic passions....

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Maybe Bail Antilles is really Master Sifo-Dius!!!!

    by lutz


  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:10 p.m. CST

    togmeister, you hit the nail on the head. Good job.

    by Jeditemple

    I agree with you 100%

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:53 p.m. CST

    greivous and triumph KISSING...

    by drewATX

    Its great that Triumph can get some extra work doing voiceovers for cancer-ridden robots. Im surprised Greivous didnt hae a cigar in a scene or two. Maybe Lucas was just paying homage to the hilarious skits making fun of SW fans! "Which button calls your parents to pick you up?"

  • Sept. 29, 2005, midnight CST

    Luke remebering Dagobah in Episode V-TESB

    by DarthBoone

    The reason why Luke tells R2D2 that there something familure with dagobah is because somewhere in luke&#39;s life(possibly the tv show between ROTS and ANH) will reveal luke seeing dagobah in a dream and therefor the dream is the force showing him the future.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 12:30 a.m. CST

    High Ground Revisited

    by soylentphil

    Because those Force-havin&#39; Jedi could nimbly hop/levitate all over creation. One guy up a hill doesn&#39;t seem the final word.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 12:48 a.m. CST

    continuity question

    by aikimoe

    I just watched them all (except ROTS) with my 6 year old son, who loves them. Despite my opinion that all but #5 are poorly written and directed, I still have strange, deep affection for them. So, here&#39;s my question. This is probably an easy one, but I never had a chance to ask any hardcore fans, of which there might be many in these here parts. In Episode 4, Obi-Wan didn&#39;t remember R2D2 or C3P0. Also, how can I ease the nagging in my brain that it was a distracting mistake to present an obvious increase in technological capabilities (R2 flies, those bug-like robots that attacked Obi-Wan&#39;s fighter in the beginning battle of ROTS) in a prequel. Help me not to care!

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 1 a.m. CST

    Grevious wasted

    by GuitarAtomik

    Especially after watching the Clone Wars cartoons, Grevious is totally wasted in this movie. In the cartoons, he&#39;s a force of freaking nature. Only Mace could take him down. But when I finally saw him in the movie he just fought for a little while and then ran his ass off. Considering all he was capable of, he&#39;s even more wasted than Darth Maul.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Anakin/Palpatine Scenes?

    by jedimast3r

    Hmmm, no mention of an extended Palpatine&#39;s Office scene, which is present in the novelization...the extended dialogue in the novel is amazing, and was drastically flushable done in the actual screenplay. Also, the revelation of Sidious to Anakin was a beautiful thing in the novels - "My master told me. Right before I killed him," queue the saber - only to be made a horribly ambiguous transition in the movie. It&#39;s so sad that Lucas is so much of an asshole that he can&#39;t accept that there are more qualified people to tell his story than him, despite his being the creator. If he would have collaborated with anyone, ANYONE else with the script, then these new movies might not have been so weak.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 2:33 a.m. CST

    I hated this movie

    by Mennon

    Not because it was especially bad, which it was, but so were the other two. I hated it because it wasn&#39;t an improvement on the first two.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 2:34 a.m. CST

    You know, Tom Stoppard worked on the screenplay

    by eg4190

    Lucas sought help for all three of the prequel scripts. He just wasn&#39;t willing to delegate all of the screenwriting duties to an outside writer the way he did with Empire. That&#39;s probably his biggest mistake, but come on, it&#39;s his creation and from his point of view, that makes him the most qualified to tell the story. And besides, if Tom Stoppard had written the entire script beginning to end, it wouldn&#39;t have matched up at all with the other five films (assuming of course, that Stoppard could&#39;ve done much better -- this is a very tough universe to write for). These films were never about the dialogue, please just give it up. You wanted to see the Jedi getting wiped out, Obi-Wan and Anakin fighting on a lava planet, Anakin getting sealed in the suit, Luke and Leia getting born. And you got it, brilliantly realized *visually*, as only Lucas could&#39;ve done. Move on. Why do I get the feeling I&#39;ll still be defending this film in the nursing home?

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 2:38 a.m. CST

    Thank God people are finally coming around on this atrocity put

    by IndustryKiller

    When I saw this I stormed out of the theater with anger over what a hack job it was. Anyone who says the flaws pointed out are nitpicks is clearly either clinically insane or 13 years old. Time will remember the entire prequel trilogy as terrible piece of hackwork and the concensus is already starting to point that way. Hopefully it will ultimately get to the point where we stop considering the prequels as part of the same mythology the OT resides in. Just because Lucas invented it doesn&#39;t mean he can absolutely shatter continuity and radically change characters from something that has already been established. Lucas might be collecting the checks, but once you put your art out in public domain the soul of it is no longer exclusively yours. He&#39;d do well to remember that.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 3:03 a.m. CST

    "Fuck. They told me this was a resort planet."

    by Zoidberg

    Poor Yoda.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 3:35 a.m. CST

    IndustryKiller! and ghostinthemch

    by Regicidal_Maniac

    You guys are speaking my language. Time will show these horrifying films for the travesties they trusly are. So many missed opportunities.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 3:37 a.m. CST

    dammit "trusly" = truely

    by Regicidal_Maniac

    I should turn a light on.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 4:19 a.m. CST

    YOU must give it up, young Padawan...

    by jedimast3r

    [quote]These films were never about the dialogue, please just give it up. You wanted to see the Jedi getting wiped out, Obi-Wan and Anakin fighting on a lava planet, Anakin getting sealed in the suit, Luke and Leia getting born. And you got it, brilliantly realized *visually*, as only Lucas could&#39;ve done. Move on. Why do I get the feeling I&#39;ll still be defending this film in the nursing home?[/quote] Let me assure you, NOONE is a bigger fan than me, since 3 years old. At least from my POV :) However, Lucas&#39; vision is fine, BUT NOT HIS WRITING. GOD DAMN IT, WHY CANT THESE MOVIES BE ABOUT THE DIALOGUE? Yes, we got to see all the crap we anticipated, but Jesus, did we really have to hear "Hold me by the lagoon!" and "You will try..." and all that other crap? I mean, jesus, I seriously don&#39;t think it&#39;s beyond reason to hate the fact that the script stunk! All these years and all this money and all this devotion - couldn&#39;t we have gotten some great banter, some great interaction between these beloved characters? HELL NO! We get "(Sigh) *Shrug* Then I guess our worst fears have benn realizzed...yawwwn...oh, um, Anakin, lets go see Palpatine...yawwwwnn!"

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 4:20 a.m. CST

    YOU must give it up, young Padawan...

    by jedimast3r

    Let me assure you, NOONE is a bigger fan than me, since 3 years old. At least from my POV :) However, Lucas&#39; vision is fine, BUT NOT HIS WRITING. GOD DAMN IT, WHY CANT THESE MOVIES BE ABOUT THE DIALOGUE? Yes, we got to see all the crap we anticipated, but Jesus, did we really have to hear "Hold me by the lagoon!" and "You will try..." and all that other crap? I mean, jesus, I seriously don&#39;t think it&#39;s beyond reason to hate the fact that the script stunk! All these years and all this money and all this devotion - couldn&#39;t we have gotten some great banter, some great interaction between these beloved characters? HELL NO! We get "(Sigh) *Shrug* Then I guess our worst fears have benn realizzed...yawwwn...oh, um, Anakin, lets go see Palpatine...yawwwwnn!"

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 4:22 a.m. CST

    Good point, at this late stage in his bizarre zombification, Har

    by Regicidal_Maniac

    Also I dread to think what a dog&#39;s breakfast the script will be by the time Lucas has made his improvements. Then there&#39;s Spielberg whose every recent film has left me less than impressed. But I guess that&#39;s not too fair on him that I should compare him with the better director that he used to be.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 4:32 a.m. CST

    Fuck yeah!!

    by TheGinger Twit

    to Bad ol Lucas didn&#39;t know how to put them in his film. C&#39;mon, these aren&#39;t delted scenes... they&#39;re add ons. Except for the water stuff.... I reckonthat just didn&#39;t work. hmph.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 4:35 a.m. CST

    ROTS was good..but the deleted scenes have sucked balls in every

    by Jon E Cin

    They really really just suck. If anything Lucas should cut down the entire trilogy and get rid of all of utter crap. Can he just change the "Noooooo" to anything else (scream/heavier breathing.......It wasnt terrible..but it wasnt climatic at all. I like what they did for the Episode 2 Imax was so much better. Most of the cheesy lines and scene..cut! So great!

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 4:43 a.m. CST

    Unfortunately people are afraid to say anything cause...well the

    by Jon E Cin

    ILM has serious "yes man" issues.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 4:45 a.m. CST

    Palpatines&#39; "no...nooooo....NOOOOO" was fucking awesome!

    by TheGinger Twit

    Here was a man clearly bent on his dark side abilities, and he&#39;d been working decades on building himself up to the supreme lord of everything. And here he was at the crossroads, now or never, get Anikin on his side, rule the galaxy... and there&#39;s mace standing over him, powerful in his jedi ways, more powerful than Palpatine, but he faulters, he doesn&#39;t kill palpatine because the jedi don&#39;t blatantly kill - but Palpatine knew he could not be taken prisoner. So his "No no no" line was perfect. it expressed everything the man was feeling. This WAS the defining moment in the entire star wars legacy. And I&#39;ll Watch it again and again, without cringe, when that dvd is in my hands. Episode 3 fucking rocks!!!

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 4:57 a.m. CST

    About CONTINUETY and leias memory of her mother...

    by TheGinger Twit

    Leia was with her mother at the endof the film. Her new mother. Remember, in her arms on alderon. THAT was the mothershe remembers. And she was sad because she could never tell Leia that she was adopted - Bail swore her to it. Luke says &#39;there&#39;s something familiar about this place&#39; because he&#39;s a fucking student Jedi, and he&#39;s in the presence of a jedi Master. As for the dope who said the continuety of these films is fucked from the old series to the new... let me just say one thing ... Have you checked out the continuety of Star Trek lately?? Star Wars got it pretty fucking good for a 30 year gap.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 5:23 a.m. CST

    Has anyone actually taken the time to watch a Star wars or India

    by TheGinger Twit

    But at the same time, they&#39;re still fucking awesome. And I have not been dissapointed with both Spielberg and Lucas keeping on top of their game. Consider that Speilberg loves a good action film that plays with your emotions, and Lucas is just a pure visual film maker. and he IS Number 1. Now, YOU can&#39;t win - because I have the the higher ground. Bitches!

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 5:45 a.m. CST


    by TheGinger Twit

    you forgot to mention the amount of time Obie Wan got his balls handed to him by Dooku. Sure he was charismatic enough to make us believe he was an awesome Jedi. But he really did bomb out a lot. This is my only real problem with the original trilogy. Not that Obi-wan couldn&#39;t win the magority of his fights, but because he wasn&#39;t more of a renegade han solo-esk Jedi. But as I stated in a previous post... Lucas is a visual effects film maker, not a charater driven story teller. damn it, I&#39;m not a hater!

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 6:06 a.m. CST

    Ghostinmachince ... balltoucher - hate to bag on fellow fans, bu

    by TheGinger Twit

    Did I not say they are great? Did I not also say that the new star wars films are also great. I was making a point about perspective. Yes, Raider, temple and empire are the best films ever made. The last crusade is an underrated classic of comedy. the point I was making, was that anyone who bags out the new star wars films, and even the new indy film for its bad acting and cheap flawed plots have forgotten that thats exactly what made these original classics... original classics. No go flame someone who disserves it.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 6:08 a.m. CST


    by TheGinger Twit

    I said they were fucking awesome. Who was the Genius who predicted 100,000 posts for this talkback. way to go.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 6:24 a.m. CST

    Star Wars = Good Idea Badly done

    by Captain RawBeard

    I am sorry guys, I love the idea of Star Wars but the entire series has been poorly executed, the original triolgy can be excused because of the time period it was made in. and plus there was nothing like it before it. But George Lucas had a good idea and with poor writing turned a good idea into something laughable. I have no beef with any of the actors (I think they did a good job with crap writing) I think episode one should have been dropped all together, and just concentrated the growing love between Anakin and Padme. Darth Maul should have been in at least 2 of the episodes. More from the Wookie battle. and (this will piss of fans) Darth Vaders costume should have been changed its stupid and looks rubbish. All you Star Wars lovers just need to realisze that it is a broken toy and let it go.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Battlestar Galactica: Season 2.0 DVD 20th December 2005

    by Baltar What the ....?

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Leia knew she was adopted.

    by rev_skarekroe

    That&#39;s why Luke specifically asks if she remembers her REAL mother.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 8:20 a.m. CST

    regarding the crappy compositing

    by simonsays

    It seems fairly obvious to me that the fuel room images are animatics, not finished shots. There are similar images in J W Rinzler&#39;s "Making of..." book. But this begs the question - will these shots be finalised for the dvd, or left in crappy animatic form?

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 8:31 a.m. CST

    They better not turn on their lightsabers on in that fuel room o

    by Orionsangels

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 8:33 a.m. CST

    SW will always own

    by Orionsangels

    ROTS was great! It&#39;s all SW and I love it. Haters are just bitter and it would suck to be them. The attempted backlash against SW never worked. you failed bitches! 380million dollars shows you it didn&#39;t work, lol Yet you keep acting cool like hating the prequels is the greatest thing ever, lol. losers

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 8:46 a.m. CST

    This film...

    by Mr Bungle

    ...was poor. I was so badly let down that I&#39;ve taken a break from sci-fi movies altogether lately. Still love the OT, but the prequels were so poorly executed that I was too embarrassed to tell anyone how much I like Star Wars and how long I&#39;ve waited for ROTS. I understand that everybody liked it for the closure, but I haven&#39;t been that disgusted since I paid to see constantine.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:02 a.m. CST

    I Enjoyed ROTS more than the other Two Prequels

    by Drath

    And that at least was nice because I was really dispirited after I came out of Attack of the Clones and found myself caring about it even less than Phantom Menace (although I still find that one the least watchable). Two Star Wars movies, and they were both mediocre and I didn&#39;t even care enough to be angry anymore. It&#39;s like when you realize you don&#39;t like sweets anymore. It&#39;s not that what you loved is gone, you just can&#39;t love it anymore. I can&#39;t imagine how anyone went into Revenge of the Sith with expectations to be disappointed. There was just no way ROTS would do what people thought the whole prequel trilogy would do back in 1998. At least it had some good set pieces, action, and music to go out on. I guess the people who are angriest now feel that intense emotion is better than apathy, even if it&#39;s negative. Good luck with that.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:06 a.m. CST

    "Hmm...shithole, this is."

    by darthferris

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:15 a.m. CST

    "Master Skywalker,ThereAreTooManyOfThemWhatAreWeGoinToDo"

    by Trevor Goodchild

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:16 a.m. CST


    by I Dunno

    It&#39;s not that Obi Wan didn&#39;t recognize the droids but what would you have him say? He wasn&#39;t exactly being forthcoming with Luke. What do you want him to say to Luke, "Hey I remember those droids when they flew away with me after I mutilated your dad for using the Force to choke your mom". I don&#39;t think there was a proper time for Obi Wan to buy the droids a beer and talk about the good old days.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:43 a.m. CST

    What I&#39;d like to know is...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...why did it take so long for the haters to amass in force for ROTS? Sure, there were some outraged voices in the original post-ROTS premiere talkbacks, but nothing approaching the levels of vitriol on display before it opened, or indeed during the AOTC talkbacks. It was a lot more subdued than usual. I think you folks have been biding your time, waiting for the DVD talkback to vent because ROTS owned all your asses. Here, finally, is the forum for your hate. It reminds me of moviemack&#39;s sudden silence and slinking around the lesser talkbacks for a few weeks after Batman Begins opened before he grew a new set and stepped back into the open. I&#39;m buying the ROTS DVD the first day it hits the shelves, and you know what? So are you.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Am I The Only One Who "Gets" Grievous&#39; Cough?


    Just so I don&#39;t have to read the now-cliched complaint that General Grievous&#39; cough was a lame character trait ever again I&#39;m gonna throw this out there: IT ISN&#39;T A MERE CHARACTER TRAIT. Why would he be hacking up a lung? Hmmm? Why would that be important? Hey! I know! How about the fact that he is clearly a prototype cyborg? How about maybe his cough is supposed to cue us to the fact that he&#39;s incomplete, a stepping stone to the cyborg 5.0 that is Darth Vader? This would be the main reason why he&#39;s not made into a new Sith Lord. See that? Makes sense, doesn&#39;t it? Suck it, childhood traitors.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Grievous&#39; cough

    by zacdilone

    Um...nice try, but wasn&#39;t it simply because Obi-Wan kicked him in the chest in "Clone Wars" or something like that? Sometimes we don&#39;t need to try so hard with our explanations.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Nice Pics but....

    by JA_Prufrock

    one thing is that they should have IMHO worked in the whole reason Grievous was coughing for those that didn&#39;t see CW II..I was only told about it, I didn&#39;t see Mace doing that force crush until I hit a torrent confused allot of people....Also i was curious to why we never saw Liam Neison come back in spirit form..Was there some reason he didn&#39;t want to do EP 3? Because the line in the end about it was quite lame compared to what could have been done...And if it was for some type-cast reason then wtf ever, can u say Batman Begins and Chronicles of Narnia?!! But haters hate, that&#39;s what they do..I&#39;m no apoligist but Ep 3 was better than allot of crap out there..People that were looking for a life changing experiece from Lucas need to get over it...

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 10:26 a.m. CST

    You know, Doc...

    by Childe Roland

    ...I think you might be employing selective memory and a skewed method of compilation in determining overall reaction to ROTS after it first came out. As someone who did not absolutely hate the movie (I was just pretty disappointed in how close to good it came without getting there) I remember a lot of people feeling as I did in those early talkbacks. A few others really seemed to hate everything about the movie and the usual suspects proclaimed it the most brilliant thing ever to have owned our collective asses. That last group just posted far more frequently than those with more rational, detailed and complex reactions to the movie (it&#39;s far easier to retype: "It ruled and you know it, bitches!" a thousand times than it is to try and re-explain what worked and what didn&#39;t without cutting and pasting your own previous comments). I love Star Wars. The Original Trilogy gets watched in my house three times a year (yes, even ROTJ, which I don&#39;t think was a particularly well-written or acted movie), but I haven&#39;t bought or watched one of the prequels on DVD yet. And I genuinely enjoyed parts of AOTC. Just not enough to want to sit through the whole thing again (recorded it on DVR at one point when a local station aired it and wound up forwarding through a number of chunks), much less the dog turd of a film that came before it. As I&#39;ve said already, though, if there are deleted scenes re-integrated into ROTS or other changes have been made to it, I&#39;ll give it a viewing on DVD to see if it&#39;s any better than I remember.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 10:28 a.m. CST

    "Bored" is not the right word

    by Drath

    I for one wasn

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Joss Whedon is an awesome movie maker. He&#39;s given us such cl

    by Drebin

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 10:48 a.m. CST

    In 15 years the haters will look back and see how moronic they w

    by Forestal

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 11:12 a.m. CST

    The prequels are already widely known as spectacular failures so

    by IndustryKiller

    Even most Star Wars fans don&#39;t like them. These fanatical lunatics are in a minority. If Lucas had done the prequels in 60&#39;s style claymation and made the dialogue Hebrew they would still be sitting ehre trying ot find some way to justify it. I love people who try to explain the Leia snafu. My favorite has to be that her adopted mother is sad because she can&#39;t tell Leia she is adopted......riiiiiiight. Face it Lucas spit in continuity&#39;s face and now at worst that scene doesnt make any sense and at best the scene is rendered laughable because Luke and Leia don&#39;t know they are tlaking about two different people. Whats great though is that really the prequels don&#39;t have to count. Lucas set up specific story events in the original Trilogy that he inexplicably forgot about in the prequels making his credibility on the subject of Star Wars suspect to say the very least. Star Wars belongs to George Lucas in name only, what he says about it is not the word of God especially considering most of us know the story far better than he does.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 11:20 a.m. CST

    That&#39;s weak reasoning, greatn

    by I Dunno

    I would say that in the majority of movies you know the outcome. It&#39;s not the outcome, it&#39;s how they get there. Me, knowing the path the charatcers are traveling heightens the experience. It&#39;s called dramatic irony. The audience knows where the characters are going even if the characters don&#39;t. Your beef is that there shouldn&#39;t have been prequels in the first place and to that I ask, then why did you see them?

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Tell you what... this bickering is pointless.

    by wintercom

    ROTS is SW for the MTV generation - loud, fast and plastic looking. Some people like that, which is why they like the film. The OT was slow, subtle and grubby looking. Some people like that, which is why they prefer the OT. Its as simple as that, and no amount of whining from either side will change matters. What gets me is, how the hell can anyone like both trilogies equally - because to me, they&#39;re as different as night and day.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Mmm, extra footage.

    by happybunny

    Shaak-ti and Dagobah? Awesome. I have to say I liked RotS. Yeah, Vader&#39;s "noooooo!" was wimpy, but still. RotS kicked the other prequels&#39; asses. (How could it not?) But the original trilogy is always gonna be on top for me. P.S.: I saw Serenity and loved it. Gonna see it again this weekend. Right after I pick up the DVD&#39;s.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 11:22 a.m. CST

    IndustryKiller, geeks on the internet are not reprsesentative of

    by I Dunno

    If "most people" or even most fans thought the prequels were a failure then why did episode III get mostly very good reviews and made more money than the last? I know BO isn&#39;t everything but it&#39;s certainly an indicator of repeat business and gives a better feel for the general feeling people had towards the prequels than a couple internet messageboards.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 11:49 a.m. CST

    I think I Dunno makes an excellent point...

    by Childe Roland

    ...concerning foreknowledge of a movie&#39;s outcome not necessarily meaning the movie shouldn&#39;t have been made. However, I think when you know the outcome of a movie&#39;s general story, the responsibility of the writer, director and actors becomes that much greater to make the trip worth taking. While I&#39;m glad I saw those "money shot" moments in ROTS, the bulk of the dialogue and character interaction leading up to those moments (and, indeed, a fair portion of the critical dialogue and interaction DURING those moments) was so clumsily written and phoned in from such a great emotional distance that it just seemed like Lucas and his cast were going through the motions to lightly touch the requisite bases. That&#39;s disappointing. The shot of Anakin kneeling before the Emperor revealed LOOKED good, but if you were listening to the dialogue, it was a lame moment. The fight between Anakin and Obi-Wan LOOKED great, but the banter between them was like what you&#39;d hear kids in the yard shouting as a play-by-play to accompany their make-believe ("But from my point of view the Jedi are evil, so I hate you now and I&#39;m going to destroy you!""You can&#39;t win because I&#39;m on the higher ground!"). Vader LOOKED cool when we saw him for the first time, but he sounded like Principal Skinner. There are great movies that were not at all diminished by my knowing the outcomes in advance. They were well written, well directed and well acted. The prequels, unfortunately, were not.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 12:05 p.m. CST

    The Cough

    by chickychow

    I don&#39;t care how many explanations (if I may be so bold to use that word) you have for the cough, the fact remains that I had to watch this obnoxious, uninteresting character walking around wheezing and hocking lugies for about an hour (when he wasn&#39;t turning tail and running away like a baby that is). indeed it was the only memorable aspect of this "villain." Hmm, great character.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Any of you guys know what a &#39;chode&#39; is?

    by Fugazi32

    It&#39;s a short, stumpy penis.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 12:28 p.m. CST

    I just wish...

    by brainedchild

    They had used puppets and models instead of all that aweful cgi. Theyre called special EFFECTS not special SCENES

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 12:45 p.m. CST

    While your analogy is funny...

    by Childe Roland

    ...shrink, it just doesn&#39;t hold up. Not all Star Wars movies were badly written. Empire ruins that blanket assessment by having been a decently scripted, directed and acted film. In my opinion, Star Wars was the only film in the series that could skate on the "gee-whiz, look at all the pretty lights" factor because it was new then. ROTJ really only has merit because it offered resolution for the characters (and it&#39;s still one of the most reviled films in the series). The prequels SHOULD have made the extra effort, especially since they weren&#39;t showing or telling us anything new, to deliver their payloads with some degree of finesse so we would actually give a shit about the characters. They didn&#39;t.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 12:47 p.m. CST

    whats wrong with SITH...mmmmm....

    by drewATX

    no emotion and no intensity.Sitting there waiting for the saber duels and then the second they start wanting them to be over. Windu and Palpatine is the best example of this. What a pathetic fight! Palpaltine flipping and twirling around like that looks RIDICULOUS. There was no weight to anything. Especially the scenes leading up to the lava fight. That is some of the worst dialogue and delivery from Hayden and Portman. Then, suddenly there flipping all over the place like a bad cartoon. The reason why Im even bothering with complaining is the fact that I still care about Star Wars and cringe at the missed opportunities. The most frustrating thing is that there are truly great moments in all 3 films but that just ends up drawing more attention to the scenes that are painfully bad. There has never been a series of films (PT) with so many brilliant moments coupled with so many awful ones. Those are the worst kinds of movies to me b/c they are the most frustrating. If you&#39;re really being honest I dont think there is any way of getting around the fact that these films did not reach their full potential. Some simple changes and better casting(Portman, Hayden and Jackson)would have greatly improved this film and it is beyond me how Lucas and ILM can succeed so wildly in some aspects of the films and yet these same people fail on such an epic level.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 12:52 p.m. CST

    A dark theory.....

    by togmeister

    Apparently though the special features on this DVD are not as great as the special features on the AOTC DVD, which itself wasn&#39;t as great as the TPM DVD (whatever stick gets levelled at the movie, &#39;The Beginning&#39; was one of the best behind-the-scenes docs EVER). This couldn&#39;t possibly be a sneaky ploy to get more people to cough up to subscribe to Hyperspace to get the &#39;full&#39; skinny on the making of ROTS? They couldn&#39;t possibly be that cynical could they? COULD THEY?

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Well, while we&#39;re nitpicking...

    by Mostholy

    Obi-Wan says that "Only a Sith thinks in absolutes." Then, not five minutes later (which is time enough, of course, to hop back and forth across the galaxy, but that&#39;s another matter), we get this exchange. "Anakin, Chancellor Palpatine is evil!" "From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!" "Well, then you are lost!" Um, who&#39;s thinking in absolutes now? Episode III was consistently diverting, and I enjoyed myself each time I watched it, but at times it was relentlessly mediocre. Far better than I and especially II, tho&#39;.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 2:26 p.m. CST

    in this case, shrink...

    by omarthesnake

    yes, she&#39;s right and the rest of the world are a bunch of fucking idiots. Firefly was a terrific series with some of the best characters in any genre show ever. The ratings don&#39;t mean shit, considering that the network aired episodes in the wrong order, on a friday night, with damned near no promotion. And Serenity is a great quality movie. Whether it does well at the box office or not.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 2:31 p.m. CST

    oh, and that review?

    by omarthesnake

    Poorly written tripe. If this was from an actual newspaper, then (a) the writer sounds like someone fresh out of college with no idea how to write a film review, not someone who has kids old enough to throw in their two cents, and (b) you&#39;ve broken all sorts of copyright laws by cutting and pasting it intact here.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 2:33 p.m. CST

    ummm... no, shrink, not at all

    by omarthesnake

    the proof is in the film itself, which I saw Tuesday night and thoroughly enjoyed. Whether the Sandler-loving masses enjoy it or not, it&#39;s still a good movie. The only difference is, if the wide public doesn&#39;t get it, then this is the last ride for the Serenity crew and we can all look forward to Universal shifting their bucks toward more crappy horror remakes/sequels.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 2:35 p.m. CST

    and to find one expressing that sentiment...

    by omarthesnake

    you had to pick through a bunch of glowing reviews that I&#39;ve seen all over the news wires. Quit being a troll and go promote what you do like, not bash what you don&#39;t.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 2:35 p.m. CST


    by IAmLegolas

    "Serenity will be gone in 2 weeks" <--- this could be said for about every movie. I think only BATMAN BEGINS and STAR WARS had any legs this year. It&#39;s the way the movie industry is these days, quick burn, and then disappear, that&#39;s to people waiting for the DVD and shitty theater experiences in general.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 2:41 p.m. CST

    well, shrink...

    by omarthesnake

    in the case of Sith, yes, yes it does. I don&#39;t have any gripe with Star Wars fans -- I was one til Lucas beat it out of me with mediocrity -- but to be so apologistic that you can&#39;t acknowledge the fact that Sith wasn&#39;t a very good movie on any level... well, that&#39;s just kinda sad. And that&#39;s why we don&#39;t let you into the cool people club. :)

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 2:43 p.m. CST

    "weren&#39;t you bashing star wars"?

    by omarthesnake

    No, i was bashing Sith. Which I&#39;ve seen. and know it sucked, having been a star wars fan since i was 8. You haven&#39;t seen Serenity, you don&#39;t know Firefly, so why bother with the bashing? your opinion doesn&#39;t mean anything unless you&#39;ve seen... the.... movie.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 2:44 p.m. CST

    if you say so, shrink...

    by omarthesnake

    but i hope you can catch Serenity some day (i&#39;m sure sci fi will run it over and over and over a few years in the future) and realize it weren&#39;t so bad.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Bob Loblaw...

    by chickychow

    You saw the preview for Arrested Development too huh. A Scott Baio career rejuvenator.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Really, whats the point of these talkbacks? People are gonna hat

    by Orionsangels

    No one here is going to have some revelation and say, YOU KNOW WHAT? HE&#39;S RIGHT SW SUCKS. HE&#39;S CONVINCED ME, LOL. or SW IS AWESOME. I LOVE IT. YOU CONVINCED ME. Haha! So most of you have your opinions up your asses. That&#39;s fine. Point is i&#39;m right you&#39;re all wrong.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Where are all the Episode 1 TPM Lovers?

    by monorail77

    Am I the only one that thought Ep 1 was pretty good? Am I the only one that thought it was better than AOTC? (I can&#39;t do a compare with Ep 3, I only saw it once and I was kinda tired). Ep 1 had lots of goodness. Here&#39;s a kind&#39;ve top ten list (in no particular order): 1. Liam Neeson, the rebel Jedi badass, defying the counsel, kicking ass during the Maul fight (I love that meditation bit right in the middle of the fight, how cool was that?), telling the queen and her advisors they were full of shit, etc. Neeson&#39;s character was the closest thing in the PT to a Han Solo character that everyone agrees was missing. 2. Darth Maul fight - probably the best overall duel in any of the movies, I just wish Lucas didn&#39;t keep cutting between it and other action. And I wish it was longer. 3. The podrace - very good action sequence IMHO, better than the speeder bikes in ROTJ. Though, I must admit, the podrace had one of the most disappointing missed opprtunities in the PT: when Anakin starts to have trouble, the big solution to the tension is for him to flick his starter switch a few times. My God that was lame. Why didn&#39;t Lucas build in a moment where Anakin either uses the Force, or taps into his dark side to get out of the scrape? There was a ripe opportunity there for revealing character, and Lucas, the idiot, has him flick a switch. Oh well. 4. Watto - I thought this was a very funny and well realized character. Totally imaginitave to have a flying character like that, and his persona was pretty well realized for a supporting character. 5. The underwater city - that is a stunningingly beautiful sequence. Great music too. 6. The droid army landing and later, the droid army amassing its front - this is some great looking stuff, very well realized, I thought. 7. Senator Palpatine - he&#39;s just so perefectly oily through the whole thing. 8. The senate - who didn&#39;t think this looked totally cool when you saw it for the first time? 9. Anakin leavimng his mother - this scene plays very well. The acting by Jake Lloyd, (yes, Jake Lloyd!) and Pernilla August is very good here. 10. The introduction of Artoo - those droids getting blasted away one by one on the wing, then Artoo doing his shit and getting them out of the scrape was classic Star Wars. I really liked that bit. And, bonus track - 11. Jar-Jar, yes, he&#39;s kind&#39;ve lame and silly, but my kids think he&#39;s hilarious. When I watch TPM with them, I get caught up in their amusement and find myself laughing along. He therefore can&#39;t be totally awful, right? Actually, that bit in the ground battle when he whips that droid around with his foot and shoots other droids I always thought was pretty funny, and a clever idea too. So c&#39;mon gang, where&#39;s the love for TPM?

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Yoda&#39;s ship.

    by Engelhast

    Why the hell is Yoda flying around in a ship shaped just like his own head? That is some DC comics villain kinda action right there.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 5:05 p.m. CST

    I loved TPM, AOTC, ROTS!

    by Orionsangels

    Everything that people hated about them can be explained. Don&#39;t like the acting? sounds wooden? guess what? its a more civilized time and the galaxy was boring like that. deal with it. don&#39;t like the kiddie stuff? SW in 77 was geared towards kids. too bad! see, anything you throw at the films can be debunked, NEXT!

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 5:44 p.m. CST

    "Where are all the Episode 1Lovers?" Thats like asking "Where a

    by chickychow

    Anyone who defends the podrace, Watto, Jar Jar, and the ACTING (?!?!) of Jake Lloyd needs their head examined, or is a troll... As in, a disgusting, freakish creature meant to live in a Dagobah-like swampland.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 6:24 p.m. CST

    I loved all of em

    by Lukecash

    Yeah, YOu heard me. All of em. From TPM to ROJ and all the letters in between .... Loved it all. Watto, Jar Jar to Wicket and ...well no.. I hated the orginal Ewok song. Like the new one.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 7:09 p.m. CST

    SW tv show rumor

    by Ace Hunter

    Hey, does anyone remember a rumor or legit news story that Lucas was going to have a SW live action tv show? Anybody know the details?

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Thanks Bob

    by Ace Hunter

    As long as Lucas isn&#39;t writing, I&#39;ll check it out.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 7:48 p.m. CST

    I also like ALL OF THEM...

    by tango fett

    and I think that TPM is NOT the worst one (AOTC is) as it actually feels like a SW movie, where AOTC sorta does, but then it feels too much like a cartoon, even for a PT movie. I&#39;m gonna go out on a limb and say that ROTS is kind of my favorite (this is going up against ESB, so I&#39;m not sure) of them all, which you may laugh at but whatever, letting a bunch of anonymous geeks like myself talk shit doesn&#39;t bother me too much. I&#39;m also one of those freaks that kind of likes the special edition tweaks quite a bit, but I understand your hatred of them, what with the whole 70&#39;s nostalgia thing, but hey even though I saw the OT as a wee lad, that was in the early 80&#39;s/ late 90&#39;s. And a good point by the guy who said the thing about watchin ROTS without knowing about the OT and being like Holy shitcakes, the Jedi are all DEAD. That&#39;d be surreal for sure. Out

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Lucas is rich, I am not

    by Cedar_Room

    ROTS was awesome in places, I thought it rounded off the series nicely. To all those that hate this film - I couldn&#39;t care less what you think. Neither does Georgie Boy. Thats what you really hate isn&#39;t it? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Kids could handle more back then. We weren&#39;t living in the P

    by Orionsangels

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 8:35 p.m. CST

    You&#39;d run away to if Obi-wan & Anakin were after you

    by Orionsangels

    They&#39;re the two most badass mofo jedi&#39;s around, know what i&#39;m sayin

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:36 p.m. CST

    The PT is not supposed to have the same feeling as the OT

    by Orionsangels

    It&#39;s another time. If I made a prequel that took place in the 50s to my original movie that took place in the 80s. you&#39;d probably hate it, but you know what. That&#39;s how the past was and you can&#39;t change. Yeah well lucas adopted kids since the OT and he saw things thru kids eyes. Aw well. He can change the movies all he likes, they still all made billion dollars and are loved by enough fans to put people like you in the minority.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Way to stretch the TB&#39;s, dickheads

    by IAmLegolas

    How about posting less?

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 11:07 p.m. CST

    I&#39;ll keep this Talkback short and sweet

    by Doc_Strange

    Fuck all the haters, Star Wars rules. And to the Firefly geeks, it was cancelled.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Let&#39;s be honest for a sec.

    by Azlam Orlandu

    Some of you will do anything and everything to bash Star Wars at every turn. The reality is that you guys are the biggest bunch of butthurt, crybaby...ok I&#39;ll say it, you&#39;re a bunch of fucking goddamn dorks. The biggest bunch. Call me a dork for liking Star Wars, that&#39;s fine, but at least I won&#39;t stoop to your level and take a shot a Serenity. Hey if you like Serenity more than Star Wars, coolins with me. But you&#39;re wasting you time fighting an absolutely absurd war that&#39;s been going on since &#39;99. You haven&#39;t changed my mind, I&#39;m not going to change yours. 10 years from now are you going to say that some sci-fi movie released into theaters then makes ROTS look like shit in some vain attempt to prove your point? Give it up guys, it&#39;s fucking sad and pathetic. IN RESPONSE TO AZLAM "The only thing sad and pathetic is Lucas and the Prequels." Bah, go fuck yourselves. Star Wars owns. -Az

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 12:46 a.m. CST

    Fuck you Star Wars Haters

    by Plazola_MEX

    Chinguen a su putisima madre!!!Fuck you Star Wars Haters Fuck you Star Wars Haters Fuck you Star Wars Haters Fuck you Star Wars Haters Fuck you Star Wars Haters Fuck you Star Wars Haters Fuck you Star Wars Haters Fuck you Star Wars Haters Fuck you Star Wars Haters Fuck you Star Wars Haters......

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 8:05 a.m. CST

    These in the movie?

    by Pageiv

    Is Lucas adding these into the movie like he did for TPM DVD?

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Lucas raped my childhood!

    by Wee Willie

    Sorry, I just hadda say it. For old time&#39;s sake.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 8:37 a.m. CST

    CedarRoom - you fucked up this TB

    by ComputerGuy68

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Linda Lovelace sucks

    by CuervoJones

    and that

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 9:27 a.m. CST

    I may not much care for the prequels...

    by Childe Roland

    ...but I don&#39;t know what I&#39;d do without their most die-hard defenders. You guys are hilarious. Stay gold, fannyboys. Stay gold.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 10:05 a.m. CST

    REAL deleted scenes...

    by chaos731

    I guess ol&#39; chinless george decided to leave out the infamous "ninja buttsex" sequence. I&#39;m serious! Saw it on "", ya know. Feh. ROTS was passable as a series-closer, but leave it to Lucas to fuck up what didn&#39;t need fucking up. And thus, the cycle of childhood raping is complete.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 11:03 a.m. CST

    What did Grevious look like before he was retrofitted?

    by Trevor Goodchild

    The eyes are vaguely lizard like.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 11:38 a.m. CST

    What did Grevious look like before he was retrofitted???

    by chaos731

    Like Abe Vigoda, of course! It&#39;s all about the Abe. Get used to it.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 11:44 a.m. CST

    He probably looked shitty, like every other prequel character

    by chickychow

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Grevious looks like a Dug (sp?)...

    by ComputerGuy68

    the bad guy that Ani was racing in Ep. 1

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 12:27 p.m. CST


    by IAmLegolas

    I&#39;m a huge LOTR fan, and even I found your post funny. Congrats.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Balltoucher... whats the deal man? You see me say that indianna

    by TheGinger Twit

    ....When people bitch about how &#39;new&#39; star wars is really bad writing, acting and all that shit, I say, go back and watch the &#39;old&#39; star wars films, and even the indianna jones film, which are in fact, sibling films.... they are on par, and if those films were released today they would not stand! But never doubt my love for all the films. NEVER!!

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 11:59 p.m. CST

    CedarRoom - It was YOU you Fucker. YOU made the screen go all sk

    by TheGinger Twit

    As for star Wars.... Geez, guys. Chill. All these films, prequals included are great! They are. I&#39;m no fool, I can see where the acting is bad or a scene could have played better, but you know what - I&#39;ll defend the pod race til the end of time. I&#39;ll believe AOTC was a well structured follow on and I was a kid again when I was sitting in the theater watching it... moreso with ROTS. And when Ep3 was finished I came home and watched the original STAR WARS - remarsted in widescreen but the unaltered version - and it was at that moment when it ALL dawned on me. People who hate star wars are fucking idiots. And Any one who calls George Lucas a hack, must sit back, and take a look at their own personal achievements in this lifetime. compare it to reshaping an entire global film industry, re-defining the way films are made, and pioneering cheaper better more cost effective film making for the true independants out there. Until then, I will always sit here, read your hate filled posts, and point and laugh at you.

  • Oct. 1, 2005, 1:24 a.m. CST

    Hey Kron... what are we gonna eat?

    by Plazola_MEX

    Because you and all the haters like MinasTirith ate all the shit and by the way, ALL THE SEMEN long time ago. I hate the haters, you have no reason at all to hate the NT like you do. OH!!! maybe you are a fan of LOTR or TITANIC and other shit that dare to compete with Star Wars. Now i understand.

  • Oct. 1, 2005, 1:26 a.m. CST

    Fucking haters... Chinguen a su madre putos!

    by Plazola_MEX

  • Oct. 1, 2005, 4:19 a.m. CST

    Fuck the guy that stretched out the tables in TB -nt-

    by TruPhan

  • Which is a nice set up for ROTS and makes it a little less of the cuff.

  • Oct. 1, 2005, 8:20 a.m. CST

    If you&#39;re going to mke a complaint about ROTS, it should be

    by TheGinger Twit

    I don&#39;t care how much you hate him. To see him put out of the film and reduced to a set piece really offended me, as annoying as he was. and I loath you haters for the pressure you put on Lucas about him.

  • Oct. 1, 2005, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Seriously, did you guys ever stop to think you all compromised t

    by TheGinger Twit

  • Oct. 1, 2005, 7:09 p.m. CST

    CedarRoom fucked up the TB

    by Cedar_Room

    oh dear, it seems that my anguished cry of "NOOOO!" was as ill-placed as Mr Lucas&#39; in Ep III apologies all round

  • Oct. 1, 2005, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Looks teriffic!

    by jaycieboy

    This is going to be a real treat on dvd!!

  • Oct. 2, 2005, 4:30 a.m. CST

    Lucas should have hired the next Lucas...

    by OldEnoughForMe

    to create the prequels. Lucas, like the folks who found the Dalai Lama, you should have used your remote viewing powers to seek out a prodigy that would have done Anakin justice. To this day, because of the prequels&#39; existence, I still ask... "How come Hayden&#39;s Anakin is the Chosen One?". I would have liked to see Hayden using more Magneto-like powers. Then Obi-Wan uses the force to attract the spare lightsabers from the dead Jedi bodies around him to fend off Hayden&#39;s Tetsuo prowess. But nope, we get Christopher Lambert fight scenes. Flame on, Jedi prequel lovers. I&#39;ll try my best to conjure up theories to support my hatred for the prequels.

  • Oct. 2, 2005, 4:46 a.m. CST


    by OldEnoughForMe

    Ian&#39;s luciferous sith master character should have moved/maneuvered more like something shady instead of, well, Ian. You ever see something from the corner of your eyes, and then turn to look to see nothing there? That is how a sith should move, Hollyboner.

  • Oct. 2, 2005, 5:51 p.m. CST


    by Colonel_Blimp

    s&#39;il vous plait.

  • Oct. 2, 2005, 8:56 p.m. CST

    You&#39;re comparing the fight scenes in the star wars prequels

    by TheGinger Twit

    Dude, if anything Batman Begins should be compared to the highlander films. For two reasons - 1 over bearing belief in it&#39;s own superiority, and 2 only the first one was any good.

  • Oct. 2, 2005, 11:16 p.m. CST

    George is the shiznit

    by Commander Rah

    Whoa!!!! Looks like he does listen to talkbackers- I requested the Shaak Ti scene about a month ago and I never actually thought he would throw it in! This dvd is going to ROCK!

  • Oct. 3, 2005, 1:51 a.m. CST


    by OldEnoughForMe

    You are absolutely right about Batman Begins being JUST as good as Christopher Lambert, action-wise. Hayden Vs Ewan = what should have been... Tetsuo Vs Kaneda. Ewan should have been force cheating just to barely stay alive while fighting against Hayden&#39;s Chosen One powers. Dark, psychic aneurysims meshed in with noble, cheatin&#39; lightsaber summons rummaging through a million metal debris will convince me that these are Jedi Knights at their prime.

  • Oct. 3, 2005, 4:45 a.m. CST

    Valid point - oldenoughforme

    by TheGinger Twit

    However, I can&#39;t let myself be dragged down into this star wars bashing. Because I&#39;m just a sucker for star wars, john williams and big sound. I would have probably been the first person to say out of episode 1 that the problem laid squarely with the direction - but damnit, Episode 3 just had so much cool in it. The Emperor IS the greatest movie villain in history

  • Oct. 3, 2005, 1:13 p.m. CST


    by NightArrows

    Quote: "I would have liked to see Hayden using more Magneto-like powers. Then Obi-Wan uses the force to attract the spare lightsabers from the dead Jedi bodies around him to fend off Hayden&#39;s Tetsuo prowess.".....And this is the reason no sane person would put you in charge of a film. Dumb shit idea of the century. Jesus Christ....You write your own comic books with a crayon do you?

  • Oct. 3, 2005, 1:37 p.m. CST


    by OldEnoughForMe

    Good point.

  • Oct. 3, 2005, 1:39 p.m. CST


    by OldEnoughForMe

    I take it you like the prequels? ;-)

  • Oct. 3, 2005, 5:16 p.m. CST

    "I think Luke was hearkening back to his months baking in Amidal

    by Voice O. Reason

    Thank you for the mental image of Natalie Portman&#39;s vagina. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

  • Oct. 18, 2005, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Still bad 5 months later

    by cooper2000

    I still find it hard to believe that so many people liked this movie when it was still so badly done. Go see Serenity.