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No Jolene For You Tonight!! TV Guide Lies About LOST 2.2!! Plus'' HERC

I am – Hercules!!

Network sources confirm that, contrary to what TV Guide continues to tell us, Jolene Blalock will NOT appear in tonight’s “Lost.” Blalock is in fact set for an upcoming Sawyer-centric flashback, likely just before midseason. The flashbacks in 2.2 are all about Sawyer’s raft-mate Michael.

The contest!

Ain't It Cool has four beautiful “Lost: The Complete First Season” DVD box-sets to give away to four beautiful Ain't It Cool readers!

Inspired by Moriarty’s recent Vogon Poetry contest, we are giving these box sets to the four people who come up with the best Haiku about “Lost.”

My very poorly considered rationalization? A Haiku, like “Lost” itself, represents a poetry of numbers. Every Haiku utilizes the division of 17 syllables into three groups of 5, 7, and 5 syllables. An example:

Hurley, Do Beware!
Shannon’s Bigger Secret Makes
Incest Appear Tame.

Send all entries to this special email address:

This contest lasts LESS THAN 24 HOURS! All entries must be emailed today, Wednesday (aka “Lost Day”)! It’s over at 11:59:59 p.m. Wednesday Pacific Time, 2:59:59 a.m. Thursday ET. (Tiny window of opportunity! So hop to!)

Finally, Ain't It Cool's fabulous Pacific Islands editor checks in from the big "Lost" premiere event two weeks ago:

Moon Yun Choi signing in from Hawaii with photos from the LOST second season premiere event. Check out my pictures from the red carpet:

It rained. It poured. Surf was up on Waikiki Beach. But hey, rain on an event is supposed to be a blessing from the Hawaiian gods.

I managed to get good photos even though the stars had their backs to me most of the time. I was relegated to the VIP section after organizers decided the press list was too long. But hey, we all got equally rained on...

Again, enjoy the pictures.

Signing out, Moon Yun Choi

9 p.m. Wednesday. ABC.

No faith in your Haiku acumen? Lost: The Complete First Season is on sale now!!

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  • Sept. 28, 2005, 2:24 a.m. CST

    Lost 2.1

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    Did anyone notice that Desmond woke up in the top bunk of a bunk bed? Why? Where's the other guy? Is there another guy?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 2:24 a.m. CST

    The Season Premiere was not disappointing

    by aliasjbauer

    Lost has redeemed itself.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 2:40 a.m. CST

    Is there a connection between what the castaways did before they

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    Jack makes a medical decision to let one patient die in favor another. His last name is the same as Shannon's. Shannon's dad? Then on the island he let's Boone go. Sawyer shoots a guy for a bad reason and learns that he screwed up. Then on the island he shoots a guy for a good reason and also screws it up. Is it some kind of screwy kharma thing or what? Whose next?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 2:43 a.m. CST


    by L.H.Puttgrass

    "Who's next?"

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 2:54 a.m. CST

    Beware the water-burping Walt...

    by jedimast3r

    I think the opener was sadly anti climactic. I'm praying that this amazing show doesn't lose steam the way Alias did after the tension of certain facets of knowledge breaks about the survivors/island the way it did with the fall of SD-6.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 3:20 a.m. CST

    In the latest issue of Rolling Stone (with Evangline on the cove

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    So maybe they're taking the better ideas from these Talkbacks.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 3:51 a.m. CST

    1. I want to win this. 2. I will sell it on Craigslist. 3. I cou

    by Prof. Pop-Cult


  • Sept. 28, 2005, 4:03 a.m. CST

    The other guy

    by DrDuvel2

    did notice there was a top bunk, also, when Nightcrawler got dressed, he put on a boiler suit. When did we last see a boiler suit on Lost? Ethan? but then why did Ethan use a sling as a weapon if he had access to desmonds gun locker?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 4:05 a.m. CST

    E. Lilly is hot. ... She is a sexy beanpole! ... Who did phone s

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    The TalkBack says LOST. Some jerk will change the subject. He sucks Whedon's cock.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 4:11 a.m. CST


    by DrDuvel2

    wasn't Alan Cumming at all, my mistake

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 4:12 a.m. CST

    that's not Haiku

    by SantiagoAtez

    Hurley, Do Beware! Shannon

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 4:31 a.m. CST


    by optimus122

    FutureGuy eats dick

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 4:42 a.m. CST

    David Fury

    by Magic Muppet

    A friend of mine spoke to David Fury when he was in Melbourne Australia a few months ago. He said the same thing to her, that the writers of Lost were making it up as they go along, and he was getting sick of it. He didn't sound happy about the way Lost has gone since he left about halfway through season one. I don't blame him. In the first few episodes of S1, the Monster is huge, with a Godzilla-like dinosaur roar. In the S1 finale, it's an invisible tentacle-nano-swarm that makes mechanical clunking noises. What the bleep?! Ironically, Lost lost a good writer in Fury -- he was responsible for some of the best episodes of the first half of season one. I missed the Golden Globes -- was Fury there with the Lost team to accept the awards?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 4:47 a.m. CST


    by Magic Muppet

    "Walkabout" is by far the best episode of Lost. Brilliant writing, and terrific acting by Terry O'Quinn. Terry is one of the main reasons I continue to watch Lost.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 5:32 a.m. CST

    Making it up as they go?

    by TonyWilson

    Eeeesh, I hope not. I've read a Lindelhof interview where he swears blind that's not the case. But I can't think of reason why Fury would. He wasn't sacked was he?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 6:04 a.m. CST

    Fury wasn't sacked, he quit

    by Magic Muppet

    And his resignation wasn't as amicable as reported in the media. I'm not saying that he doesn't get along with Abrams and/or Lindehof, but there are people involved in the writign and production of Lost that he definitely doesn't agree with. Fury sounded a bit bitter and cynical about Lost. I'm sure this is more directed at studio execs and producers demanding how Lost be written. I'll quiz my friend and try to get some more definite quotes. She spoke to Fury for almost half an hour about Lost.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Agent Alonzo, re: Finale

    by RenoNevada2000

    All I know about how this show will end is that it involves the cast singing "Dem Dry Bones" and a cast appearance by Patrick McGoohan...

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 7:44 a.m. CST


    by BankyFan

    It seems that Fury, a by-and-large talented writer, is a huge asshole.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 7:46 a.m. CST

    DVD says they had 7 seasons in mind

    by YouIgnorantGeeks

    On disc 7, I think its the first choice to watch, someone (I forgot who, maybe J.J.) said something like they had a basis for 6 or 7 seasons before they even started filming (or maybe even had a cast) So if they are making it up as they go along on a week by week basis, I think they do know the overall story arc, and thats how most shows are. Joss Whedon with Buffy for instance knew at the beginning of most seasons how the seasons would end, but sometimes didn't know how he was going go get to that point at first, or at least not more then a general idea. So I think thats the case here. I think they know where there going, but not sure how they will get there yet, and thats normal, and nothing wrong with that.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 8:09 a.m. CST


    by kate Moss

    whats the deal with this genetic mirror theory on lost?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 8:13 a.m. CST

    I read in TV guide

    by ATARI

    that they had 6 seasons worth of episodes sketched out. So by this I assume they have an outline of a story arc for 6 seasons. They just have to fill in the details.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Haiku (read it and weep folks)

    by Yeti

    Hurley appeared. Like the morning sun on the branches. Crushing them. He was a big boned boy.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 8:24 a.m. CST

    "Lindelof says he sat Abrams down to go over an entire season&#3

    by aliasjbauer

    That comes from the USA Today story two weeks ago.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 8:32 a.m. CST

    By the way, David Fury made a great career move...

    by aliasjbauer

    He made a good move moving to 24, the actual best drama show on TV.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 8:39 a.m. CST

    It's the washing machines

    by nairbnyllednavkr

    Keep your eye on the washing machines - they're the key to the whole thing.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:06 a.m. CST

    kate Moss

    by TempusFugitive

    The genetic mirror theory that has been circulating on the messageboards is complete crap. A tiny bit of research shows that the book, author, and theory detailed in these (almost aways identical) postings don't actually exist.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:10 a.m. CST

    We prepare for the worst

    by gobofraggleuk

    really, it's a compliment to Lost that so many of us anticipate the storylines falling apart - preparing ourselves for disappointment. Our hopes are high - we enjoy it so much. It would be so much sweeter if this series stayed coherent.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Comments of Fury

    by TempusFugitive

    I'd bet that what Fury says is true... from a certain point of view. The writers have previously said that they have an overall story sketched out, including the who, what, where, why, when, and how. But the DETAILS... ah there's where they're probably winging it. I'm sure the majority of the backstories are being built on the fly, probably with some high level directive for each character. *** Adn I for one hope to hell they are NOT taking ideas from messageboards/talkbacks, since many of the posters here and there really are too stupid to be listened to at all.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:30 a.m. CST

    One of the Executive Producers

    by Itchy

    and I don't recall which one ... but it wasn't Abrams or Lindhelf ... was interviewed on WRIF in Detroit 2 days ago. They grilled him extensively about the allegations from Fury, and kept trying to get him to admit they had no idea where everything was going. The producer adamently stated that they had sketched out all of the major connections and plot points, but on a week to week basis work details in there. He likened it to a roadmap where you know you want to be in Chicago on Day 1 and Detroit on Day 3, but whether you take the Interstate or a Country Road was determined on a daily basis. Seemed pretty reasonable. He also said that only "the big 3" know the big plot points, and they never let Fury or other writers in on all of them ahead of time, because they wanted writing and dialogue done from the perspective of characters to whom these "mysteries" were unfolding. In any event, as long as it makes sense on moves forward in logical fashion, who cares ? As long as they don't rely on some BS sci-fi convention a la Enterprise and "time travel" ... I'm hooked.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Tempus Fugit :Genetic Twin Theory

    by TonyWilson

    Yeh the book and author are utter bollocks and it does sound utterly ridiculous.....BUT......On the oceanic815 webiste which is official when you type "theislandiswaiting" into the barcode then a missing script page appear that deals with jack seeing his double...Either there is some truth to it (in the series not for real) or the producers are spending a ridiculaous amount of time coming up with red herrings, and the theory is on a hell of a lot messageboards.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:45 a.m. CST

    SWEET!!! I'm winning me a DVD set!

    by LOST_Grendel

    I haven't been able to afford to buy the set yet...but I'm dang sure gonna win me one!!! I'm off to ignore my work for the day and work on Haiku's~! Then I get to watch 2.2 tonight!! Happy LOST Day everyone!

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:52 a.m. CST

    How many entries allowed for contest?

    by Mbunny

    Can we send in more than one entry each?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Genetic twin theory

    by TempusFugitive

    TonyWilson, I understand the seed of your doubt completely. BUT the "script" page you see on that site is the second complete bullshit script page they&#39;ve put out there. There was another one last season that included "notes" in the margins about not showing <insert forgotten name of prehistoric South American animal> too soon. Both script pages, as well as other things, are absolutely the creators screwing with the general populace. The proliferation of the genetic twin theory across message boards is evidence of how popular this series is, it gets pasted in several Lost-specific message boards, and then folks read it and spread it to others. The wonders of modern technology.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Online B.S.expands to fill all available space

    by TempusFugitive

    For another example of crap posted online that was proliferated and believed as "fact" by many... search for John Titor Time Travel online some time.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Haiku, do you?

    by I Hate Movies

    Lost wins best drama/Inspires more "genre" shows/Survives the Herc Curse

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Cheers Tempus, I didn&#39;t know they&#39;d done the bogus scrip

    by TonyWilson

    I figured the theory was just being spread by gullible people. I found it on the ABC message board and then 2 pages later the poster actually said it was bogus they also said they were some 17 yr old from New York, which didn&#39;t quite ring true either. Personally I don&#39;t see the point in doing red herrings on the net.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:23 a.m. CST

    I missed season one/ Lost in agony, waiting / For more Netflix d

    by mustang_dvs


  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:26 a.m. CST


    by Losteroo

    If you read this theory even closer...pick any messagebord for it, the theories are all just copied and;ll notice that it talks about Rousseau&#39;s trip that he never came back from. Basically meaning that this so-called "theory" is based off fictional characters. Of course some peple may disagree with this being bs if they truely think Lost is a documentary, a reality show, or based off a true story.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Desmond&#39;s typing (SPOILERS)

    by jgt7771

    WARNING!!! I couldn&#39;t find this anywhere else about the web so... I was rewatching 2.1, and it suddenly flashed to me. In short... Episode start. Computer beeping. Desmond wakes up, types 15 keystrokes, hits Execute. Watched it in slo-mo and it seems pretty likely: 4 space 8 space 1 5 space 1 6 space 2 3 space 4 2 Execute

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Wait, wait, wait.....

    by TempusFugitive;re saying Lost ISN&#39;T a documentary? ... the hell!?!

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Genetic twins

    by TempusFugitive

    ...actually isn&#39;t that a little redundant? Aren&#39;t all "twins" (people) genetically related? Anyway, the first time I read the silly "theory" I thought "Whaaaaaaaat?" and then started looking for more information. It took very little time to see that the only reference to it was itself, posted multiple times to many boards.. with no basis in "fact". As far as the faux script pages that they&#39;ve put online, they&#39;re pretty much a joke for the easter-egg hunters out there. I don&#39;t think they&#39;re red herrings as much as "winks" to the people digging around those sites.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Golly, FutureGuy

    by Ribbons

    What&#39;s the justification of the Whedon bashers this time? They&#39;re sick of him being brought up in off-topic TalkBacks, even though no one was talking about him before you? Or are you just an asshole?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:27 a.m. CST

    by Orange Crush

    (1) I, too, was wondering about the identity of the patient Jack sacrificed. I didn&#39;t catch his name, but I figured he was affiliated somehow with a castaway. (2)In Desmond&#39;s tunnel,not only is the computer old, but EVERYTHING is older. Stereo, washer, exercise bike. He does have some modern medical and shooting equipment, though. (3) So was Desmond racing around the world, and then got stuck here, and then given a job to do, or was he lying to Jack at the stadium? (4) They didn&#39;t say a thing about the raft last week, other than show Walt. Watch, now they&#39;ll torture us this week by not showing what goes down in the tunnel.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:27 a.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    I don&#39;t know how much they&#39;re making up as they go along, but I think it&#39;s fair to say that at least some details are written on the fly. &#39;Tis a shame that Fury doesn&#39;t seem to like the direction of the show, since he wrote some of my favorite episodes from last season. I&#39;d be interested to see what his work on "24" is like since both shows are wildly different, it seems. In any case, I thought the season opener for "Lost" was pretty good, so I&#39;m looking forward to what&#39;s going down tonight.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Wait a second...

    by aliasjbauer

    I just thought of this. If David Fury was so upset about how they were making up Lost as they went along, why go to 24 where they proudly proclaim they have no plans past two episodes? He actually left because of creative diffrences, like how the network didnt want to alienate anyone, and Fury didnt care if he did.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:58 a.m. CST

    More haiku for you (Inspired from Smallville TBs)

    by I Hate Movies

    Kate&#39;s hot but Shannon/Will suck d--- and use her hair/As a great nut rag

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Haiku...I don&#39;t think so.....

    by DarthTatersWife

    Um, if you&#39;re going to slam someone else&#39;s haiku, you should probably follow the rules of haiku yourself. (5 syllables, 7 syllables, 5 syllables...) Good luck everyone. From what I&#39;ve seen, they&#39;re going to have a hard time picking a winner on this one. :)

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 2:41 p.m. CST


    by vinceklortho

    I think we have to wait again for what happens down in the tunnel. It&#39;s killing me...anyway, tonight&#39;s episode is about what happens to the guys on the raft and I guess mixed with flashbacks involving Michael. As for the Desmond situation, I have no clue what to think of it. What? You want to hear my theory...well, here goes: Jack has a hallucinogenic breakdown when running in the stadium and imagines someone in the form of a "future" presence as his guardian angel. That form, I tell you, is in the form of Desmond who will have a tremendous impact on his life in the future as the form of the "real" Desmond who is just another person who was living on the island since the eighties. Desmond has no idea what Jack is talking about when Jack brings this up to him in one of future episodes which makes Jack realize his destiny on the island, which is to.....kill Desmond. Realizing that he cannot fulfil his destiny, Jack commits suicide and all the residents on the island become raving lunatics and cannibals because their chosen leader is dead. So, that&#39;s what I think.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 3:59 p.m. CST

    One of the better haikus I submitted

    by Banky the Hack

    Michael, there is no Child protective service here So smack the damn kid

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 4:10 p.m. CST

    by I Hate Movies

    It&#39;s four-eight-fifteen/Sixteen-twentythree-fortytwo and/You&#39;re a millionaire!

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Oh, that was two many syllables in the second line...

    by I Hate Movies

    Damn, I flew too close to the sun on wings of prose! Let me try this: If a crazy guy/Mutters numbers you bet on/Your grandpa will die.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 4:18 p.m. CST

    But what&#39;s his plan, Agent Alonzo?

    by Pops Freshemeyer

    Is it something like he paid the french broad to tell the castaways about "The Others" so that they&#39;ll go into hiding, which is all a distraction so they don&#39;t notice him stealing the coconuts, which is really just a cover for him to sneak into their new base and steal their silverware, pots and pans, so that he can go into the underground bunker which he had them break into so that he can use Desmond&#39;s oven to make some sort of desert with the coconuts, which he&#39;ll give to Jack as a show of friendship (but it&#39;s really poisoned) and once Jack is out cold he&#39;s going to take his key and get the guns from the lcoked case, which he&#39;ll then use to do something even more evil?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 4:31 p.m. CST

    24 is retarded

    by jimmy_009

    First off, all the good guys are extremely attractive. CTU looks like it was designed by and for bohemions, which is also stupid. And I give the Angela Lansbury/Murder She Wrote award to Jack, who, to spite all logic and circumstance, gets into a situation repeatedly where there&#39;s only 24 hours to fix it. Amazing how it always happens to him. If they really wanted to do something interesting, they should have made it happen to a different person every season, someone with an entirely different career and life. You could even have the person be played by another famous or out of work actor/actress. They went the easy and dumb way out. Also, the show jumped the shark when someone brought a baby to CTU headquarters. Sorry but this show is tired.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 4:32 p.m. CST


    by jimmy_009

    Oops meant to say bohemians, not bohemions.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Holy crap you guys are retarded

    by jackinitraw

    Haiku&#39;s have 5 syllables then 7 then 5 again. How f**king dumb are you guys? Look for yourselves. Further proof that AICN talkback is populated by high school dropouts and 14 year old social backwash. I just made this account because I can&#39;t take it anymore. You&#39;re pathetic.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 6:21 p.m. CST

    My Haiku

    by BrunoTheDog

    On An Island Lost A Darkness May Be Unleashed Might Walt Be The Key?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 7:14 p.m. CST


    by thebusabus

    whats the name of the band and the name of the song that goes "make your own kind of music" that is played in 2.1?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Re: song

    by BrunoTheDog

    Barry Mann and Cynthia Weil // Found this information using You should check it out!

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 7:46 p.m. CST

    My Haiku Response

    by Itchy

    Poetry Master (5) Jackinitraw thinks he is (7) sadly only dick (5)

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 7:47 p.m. CST

    I thought it was Cass Elliot -- Mama Cass?

    by I Hate Movies

    You know, I fully expected "Make your own kind of music" to shoot to # 1 on iTunes after the premiere.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 7:56 p.m. CST

    2 Planes on LOST?

    by Thunderpants

    Forgive me if this has already been discussed here...but I&#39;ve had other LOST nerds tell me that when Hurley got on the plane in his flashback, that the gate number was different than the gate the others got on at. And he smiled at Walt and Michael on the plane. So...apprently the theory is that Walt, Michael, and Hurley were on a different plane...that collided with the other plane. Has anyone else looked into this? Am I way too late with the "news"?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 8:07 p.m. CST

    You know, this contest might be worth it if...

    by Han Ol' Buddy

    those sets looked something like this: Ha ha!!!

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 8:25 p.m. CST

    2 planes theory not supported

    by FlowCytometer

    Mostly that came around from the fake oceanic air website that had an animation from the number 815 and 777 (which was meant to be the plane model). If there were two planes, you would have more bodies and/or survivors and these people would not all be on one passenger manifest.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Logo on Shark

    by Graham Dalton

    Did anyone else see that logo on the shark? Did it match the logos in the chamber?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:02 p.m. CST

    45 minutes to get to where we were last week LOL

    by sweep600

    What a circle jerk! I&#39;m done ,gonna wait for dvds--Watch em all fast. this is too frustrating

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:03 p.m. CST

    LAME episode

    by InspectorDoppler

    Zero new info, even the flashback stuff just rehashed emotional ground that was covered to better effect in the 1st season.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:03 p.m. CST

    that fuckin&#39; shark!

    by TheTagger

    yeah, that was the same logo as all the stuff in the hatch! what the...?! who&#39;s got ideas on what that countdown was? you must enter the code every 108 hours or it all blows up? maybe?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:04 p.m. CST


    by YouInRawbIns?

    I totally saw that logo and came on here to post about it. Wierd, no?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:07 p.m. CST

    It took 45 minutes to get back to the story

    by rivercb

    I now know what it feels like for someone to shit in my mouth. 108 is the number for shit eating.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:07 p.m. CST

    lame is right

    by Losteroo

    the flashback was a retread and WAS done better in season 1. Nice to get caught up to...oh wait..nothing. Just a few scraps of new info to brainstorm over but not much else. I was getting mad towards the end...calling the play by play. "Watch..right when jack We cut to the boat" BAM. then after looking at the clock I KNEW we had one lame closer to the flashback, and that was that. Nice.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:07 p.m. CST

    The Shot of Kate Made Me Happy

    by Jake Timmons08

    and by me, I mean my dick. You know what I&#39;m talking about. That shot of her in the tunnel. That was definatley worth watching.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:09 p.m. CST

    next week

    by Losteroo

    Kate will take 10 minutes to eat another candy bar, and we&#39;ll have like 50 minutes of...I don&#39;t know....the dog&#39;s flashback. Time will progress 10 more minutes

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:10 p.m. CST

    And 24 is not retarded

    by Jake Timmons08

    Only the daughter on that show is. But I&#39;d still do her.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Crap, that was crap

    by Heisenberg85

    Normally I&#39;m the staunchest of Lost defenders, but that ep pissed me off. The flashbacks added absolutly nothing to the Mike-Walt relationship that we didn&#39;t already know (except that he gave him, gasp! a polar bear). And the tunnel stuff was partly crap, especially since they ended that story on the same note that they ended the last ep. Now, the Kate with candy was pretty good. As was most of the raft. But overall, we could have done with about only half of the ep.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:12 p.m. CST

    I missed the first forty-five minutes. Please help!

    by wbgoose13

    Enough said. I saw from the point that Kate watched last week&#39;s climax through a vent. Any and all on-topic responses appreciated.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Next week we see how the Korean guy survived

    by sweep600

    and 10 minutes of new story LOL

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:15 p.m. CST

    so the people chasing Jin must be the "sick" people

    by durhay

    Desmond was worried about. Did anyone else think about "The Shining" when Kate was in the pantry? And yes, I rushed here specifically to post about whether there was an insignia on the shark. And make a joke about jumping said shark.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:16 p.m. CST

    look, i&#39;m not complaining...

    by filmicdrummer17

    maybe the ep didn&#39;t get anywhere, but they had done things in order, we wouldn&#39;t have had the big reveal last week...

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:21 p.m. CST

    I&#39;d rather a coherent story that doesn&#39;t waste my time

    by JiggamanSpence

    than a "big reveal". is JJ Abrams becoming M. Night Shyamalan? I love Lost, but that was by far the absolute worst episode of the entire series by a long shot. Waste of time. I want my hour back.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:24 p.m. CST

    true. i don&#39;t know what i was thinking.

    by filmicdrummer17

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:25 p.m. CST


    by GypsyTRobot

    Sorry about the all caps, but tonight&#39;s episode was a huge waste of time. More plot, less padding please.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Adebissi Lives!!!!!!!!

    by roundhoward

    Whatever -- the point is, Adebissi is on Lost now, and he&#39;s going to be the same giant black maniac that he was on Oz, island style. Who wants to bet that Sawyer is the first one to get sodomized?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:26 p.m. CST

    a rehash of the first one, with

    by durhay

    alternate shots of previously shown scenes. Didn&#39;t work for Back to the Future II, didn&#39;t work here either.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:31 p.m. CST

    I missed the question that Desmond asked Locke

    by koomoReborn

    I will pay 14 quatloos to whoever can post the question that Locke didn&#39;t know the answer to. Thanks!

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:33 p.m. CST

    I thought it worked just fine in Back to the Future II

    by FiMo719

    Man, I feel like an ass now for making fun of my roommate: "A logo? On a fucking shark??? That&#39;d be retarded." So I guess now there&#39;s gonna be a whole animal experimentation thing? Ahh... whatev.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Yeah, so that episode sucked

    by Ribbons

    Lindelof, if you&#39;re reading this, I usually defend your show, but tonight&#39;s episode was pretty bad, for a lot of reasons. Chief among them, barely anything happened. It&#39;s too early in the season to be resorting to filler. We had 4 completely useless flashbacks to Michael&#39;s custody battle for Walt, contrived arguments between "Mike" and Sawyer, and half of last week&#39;s episode told from someone else&#39;s POV. The only interesting tidbits were the count that reset after Locke typed in those numbers, Desmond&#39;s implying that he thought the world was destroyed, and the "others" at the end. It was well-directed though.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:36 p.m. CST

    I laugh at all you complaining bitches

    by slone13

    For 2 reasons: 1) Because you must have been watching this episode with your heads up your asses if you think nothing new was revealed tonight. And 2) Because you&#39;re all gonna watch it next week. And the week after. And the week after that.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:39 p.m. CST

    koomoReborn I want my quatloos

    by slone13

    "What did one snowman say to the other snowman?"

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:42 p.m. CST

    shark logo

    by foldslikepaper

    I too saw the logo. I didn&#39;t tape the show or anything to be able to freeze frame, but i assume that was the same logo that was on the fuse panel and on desmond&#39;s jumpsuit?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Dead Man&#39;s Switch

    by Dawgpile

    Punching the codes into the computer was like that episode of outer limits...Dead Man&#39;s Switch. If the guy did&#39;n&#39;t enter the code when the alarm went off, the whole world would blow up. And i think Mcihael&#39;s lawyer was in an episode of outer limits as well. Don&#39;t remeber which one

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:44 p.m. CST

    To those of you who say this is the worst episode ever . . .

    by ShallowGrave

    I give you any episode from season one centering on Kate.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:45 p.m. CST

    recap what?

    by bah

    What, did you all watch the re-airing of last week&#39;s and think it was the new episode? What they showed is what happened with Locke and Kate. We did not see that last week. We now know their take on what&#39;s going on in the hatch. Locke giving Kate the knife will be important to their relationship. We now quite a bit more about what&#39;s going on in the hatch. The survivors now (or soon will have) have a couple weeks&#39; worth of kosher food. The back story was uninteresting, I agree. It was just there to draw a parallel to a character&#39;s background, as it usually does.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:48 p.m. CST

    "What did one snowman say to the other snowman?"

    by bah

    Do you smell carrots?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:49 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    You should do some looking through the AICN archives if you think I like "bitching" about "Lost." I defend it more often than not. No shit some stuff was revealed. I fucking listed it in my post, jackoff. Nor did I ever threaten to stop watching the show; I still like it, just not this episode. So to your "you&#39;ll be back," I say "well... yeah." And you&#39;re the one with his head up his ass (or maybe Abrams&#39; ass) if you think tonight&#39;s episode wasn&#39;t 10 minutes stretched out to 46.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:51 p.m. CST

    by foreignerbelt

    somebody make a clip of Kate in the tunnel immediately.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 9:56 p.m. CST

    to all those who are complaining...

    by puter1803

    i enjoyed watching it tonight. i laughed at kate wrapping her mouth around that candy bar then taking more, and was on the edge of my seat at the simple conversation locke and desmund have. sure i would have liked to know a little more on jack and desmunds thing, but the beauty of this show is how it takes its time, but not in a boring way, i enjoyed it, and thats all that matters to me, i could care less if everyone on the planet hated it, as long as i was entertained, "lost" in my eyes did its job with at least one person. plus is everyone missing the point that the others are no longer "coming", the others are fucking here!

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:11 p.m. CST

    The Knife

    by Swagg

    Bet Locke copped a feel. I guess he had to put it in her pants, since there&#39;s no room in her shirt. And BTW, if you didn&#39;t like this episode, why even bother watching? Didn&#39;t last season teach you people anything but to keep patient? I thought it was one of the better eps, and I totally knew that it would end in the tunnel, pretty much the same way the last week ended, and I was fine with it. Sit back, and enjoy the ride.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:14 p.m. CST

    name on the logo???

    by jccalhoun

    So inside the logo was a name. Was anyone able to read it? (Or was that the shark you guys are talking about?)

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Stuffed bear

    by Banky the Hack

    You all did notice that Michael gave Walt a stuffed polar bear, didn&#39;t you?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:17 p.m. CST

    I&#39;m with you Ribbons

    by Heisenberg85

    Slone13 acted like a complete pompous ass in his response to our collective posts. We didn&#39;t threaten to stop watching or anything. Most of the ep was a retread of either last weeks ep, or last season&#39;s Special. The exceptions being anything down in the hatch pre-jack&#39;s arrival, and the interaction&#39;s of the raft people. I&#39;m sorry sloan, but the flashbacks added NOTHING. Oh, so micheal REALLY REALLY wanted to keep walt, instead of in Special when we learned he only REALLY wanted to keep walt. I agree that people shouldn&#39;t have bitched about last season&#39;s finale, but we have all right to bitch about this ep. I suspect the first three eps of this season could have been re-edited into a really kick ass 2 hour premier (hard to make this claim without having seen the next ep).

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:18 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    You shouldn&#39;t have to apologize for liking it, and if you did, that&#39;s totally cool, but it honestly left me cold. I was just "spitting in the ocean," as it were, not saying you had to agree. I thought the Kate thing was a nice touch -- actually wouldn&#39;t be surprised if Evangeline Lily thought that one up herself -- and I thought the acting in the Locke-Desmond scene was good, but as a whole, I didn&#39;t like the episode. And there&#39;s a difference between letting the story unfold naturally and stretching it out. The drama on the raft detritus seemed manufactured, the flashbacks were tedious, and half the stuff in the hatch already happened last week. They even used some of the exact same clips on a handful of occasions. If you say the storytellers let whatever it is that&#39;s happening on the island "unfold," whatever, I&#39;ll humor you. But they also fold it back in from time to time. And I&#39;d probably be more okay with that if this wasn&#39;t the second episode and if I felt like the human drama -- scant as it was -- didn&#39;t happen independently of what the characters would have actually done. Ah well. That&#39;s my take, but I certainly have no hard feelings against you if you liked it. The reason I got nasty with slone was because he went off on "us" "bitches" who didn&#39;t like tonight&#39;s episode.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Good 4 Star Episode out of 5

    by The104Skinney

    I do not think it was that bad of an episode. The flashbacks were trying to show how much Michael cares for Walt and how he was taken away from him the first time. Tonight&#39;s flashbacks was showing the emphasis of how painful it was for Walt to be taken away from him in the past. He finally got him back and now he was taken away again. Last year&#39;s flashback was just introducing the story and tonight provided more depth. Sawyer was classic as always (Do you have a bandaid...*THUMP*) and provided much humor to the episode. The shark with the logo opened up a new can of worms which I thought was interesting and a good twist. Maybe it wasn&#39;t coincidental the shark was out there.....The Hatch...for people bitching about the episode was just retread and we did not learn anything, that is total BULLSHIT. Last week, I know I was not the only person in America wondering what the hell happened with Kate, Locke, and DEsMONd in the hatch before Jack got there. As we did not get much, we did get some info. DEsMONd is down there waiting for someone and we saw what happened with Locke and Kate. The scene where Kate was in the Tunnel should be enough for anyone to be happy :) Lost is a show that is told in a narrative sense. A good Novel is not told Linear and neither is Lost and that is what makes the show GREAT and better than anything else on TV. The real problem people have with the show is having to wait a week for a new episode. ESPECIALLY after finally seeing the Others (Did anyone else see black smoke around them or was it me?) ABC&#39;s preview doesnt help either. I know im gonna be watching next week and I would not have it any other way. 4 stars outta 5

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:21 p.m. CST

    re: name on the logo

    by TheTagger

    I did a freeze frame, and the name on the logo is "DHARMA" or perhaps "DHAZMA", the middle is unclear. Also, in the middle of this logo, I&#39;m not sure Ive seen anyone post this, is a snake. The curved line in the middle of the logo is the body of the snake, and the head at the top has a forked tounge sticking out.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Twin Towers

    by Fuckles

    Maybe this was already mentioned, but did anybody see the NYC WTC Twin Towers in the background through the window when Michael was talking to his lawyer in the beginning of the episode? I don&#39;t know, it&#39;s of no relevance to the plot, but I thought it was ballsy. Flame away . . .

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:25 p.m. CST

    that stupid clock

    by PhantomSpazz

    I dont know what the deal was with that clock connected with the computer. I know that those damned lottery numbers added together equal the sum 108 which is somehow significant. Any ideas?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Heisenberg

    by Ribbons

    Both for sticking up for me and for saying what I&#39;d been trying to with more eloquence. Yeah, to these people who keep saying "stop watching the show": I LIKE the show!! I just didn&#39;t like tonight&#39;s episode, not because I want the "mystery" revealed right now, but because I just thought it was a shitty episode. I don&#39;t get why you&#39;re so at odds with that. I sort of get that they were trying to show how it hurt for Michael to have Walt taken away from him the first time (actually, wasn&#39;t there one line that sort of echoed from the present into the past that said something to that effect? Maybe not), but again, that&#39;s stuff that&#39;s already been explained? Did we have to know that losing Walt the second time felt a lot like losing Walt the first time? We already knew that Michael wanted custody of Walt really badly and we already knew that what happened to him at the end of last season sucked (take it easy, you know what I mean). It just seems tedious. Although I was sort of okay with it. I would have liked it if the flashbacks themselves were more interesting, but what are ya gonna do?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:35 p.m. CST


    by Swagg

    The logo says: Dharma. Look it up. And that&#39;s not a snake, it&#39;s a swan (the "ugly duckling theory"). And what&#39;s an "Apollo" candy bar? I did not notce the twin towers but will look for it when i watch it again, shouldn&#39;t mean too much but an indicator of time.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:36 p.m. CST

    by foreignerbelt

    I think desmond was waiting for Jack ("are you him?"), even though he doesn&#39;t know it yet.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:36 p.m. CST

    4+8+15+16+23+42=108 This is what 108 Means actually in Our World

    by The104Skinney

    The number 108 is a significant symbolic number throughout Asia. Reportedly the significance of the number 108 originated in India. In early Hindu religions, the number 9 represented wholeness and divinity because if you multiply 9 times anything then add the digits from the answer together, the result is always 9. For example, 9x6185=55665, 5+5+6+6+5=27, 2+7=9. The number nine, according to the theory, represents God because God is the ultimate result of everything. Early Hindu religious mathematics determined that the number 108 represented all of existence because 1+0+8 equals 9. I dont know where JJ is going with the numbers but this info makes 108 a hell of a lot more interesting.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Number 9

    by Banky the Hack

    Interesting theory. And if you add all the numbers separately 4+8+1+5+1+6+2+3+4+2=36 and 3+6=9. Veddy intereschtink.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:53 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    And I don&#39;t know if I&#39;m like the only one to just realize this now, but 4 + 8 + 15 + 16 + 23 + 42 = 108.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Number 9

    by BigAssFan

    Great sub at D&#39;angelos...Also the saying "I am on Cloud 9." Meaning...I am in heaven. To quote Banky the Hack...veddy intereschtink.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:04 p.m. CST

    wow, i am surprised

    by thebusabus

    how many people did not like this episode. After watching it, I thought it was one of the better eps of the entire series. The story is unfolding in an almost poetic, subtle form that, personally, is very interesting to watch. Each scene has meaning, and while some might be sappier and "pointless" to others, there are hints to the developing plotline at every corner. Enjoy the ride, don&#39;t get too antsy folks.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:07 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    Care to go into detail on that one?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Lots of New Questions

    by BigAssFan

    Walt and his eery connections with Polar Bears, after Michael gave him one. What&#39;s this company that has a base on this island? Why do they have sharks patrolling the water? Is God really a Corporate Exec. eager to get his product label on all that exists in heaven? Who are the "others" and what do they want? How&#39;d they get there? Offspring of past survivors? AHH! This show racks the brain!

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:13 p.m. CST


    by mortigitempos

    Does anyone else think that Desmond replaced someone else in the hatch...that person being the guy in the mental ward who kept saying the number over and over...if I had to type those numbers all the time they would stick in my head too.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:14 p.m. CST

    by thebusabus

    if every scene basically said to the viewer, point black, &#39;this explains this previous development,&#39; the show would provide lots of answers, but would it be fun to watch? I saw that a couple of posters said how they were unhappy with the Michael flashback scenes, because the show had already established that Michael was really mad that he had to lose his kid, these flashback scenes are repetitive, etc. So what, nobody wants to see anymore Michael flashbacks? Almost all of them are going to be without Walt...sorry. Seeing Michael in action before he got on that plane, besides dropping necessary clues as to why he is on the island, will explain why he acts the way he does in future actions on the island. His decision making will be explained, as will every single one of the characters on this show. If people wanted nonstop answers, the show would play out like a factbook. It&#39;s supposed to be entertaining.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:16 p.m. CST

    *point blank

    by thebusabus

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:19 p.m. CST

    by thebusabus

    and every island scene is almost always entertaining and clue-ridden. every hatch scene in this episode provided new information. the only ones that didn&#39;t were the few replayed ones--and those were mostly to give the audience an understanding of time, a la Kate being in the tunnel when Desmond fires his gun.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Twin Towers

    by Sir Loin

    I also noticed the WTC towers, you could see them for only an instant out a window. If there&#39;s one thing this show demands, it&#39;s undivided attention because they pack each episode with minute details. That&#39;s why it rocks :)

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Thanks Foreignerbelt

    by Jake Timmons08

    Good to see that someone else noticed that scene with Kate. I guess everyone else was to busy complaining to notice.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:28 p.m. CST

    AREA 51 Hindu Chamber? 108, Dharma, etc...

    by Graham Dalton

    Is this some sort of hindu area 51? 104Skinney&#39;s post about 108 ties to hindiuism. In Hinduism, Dharma is the way of the higher Truths. Beings that live in harmony with Dharma proceed quicker towards nirvana .

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:45 p.m. CST

    But the thing is...

    by Ribbons;re choosing what parts of people&#39;s posts to listen to. You&#39;re actually quoting me, and I don&#39;t want non-stop answers. One of the reasons I think I might end up liking last season better than this one is because it might end up being more relationship-based than this season, which will be more information-based, quest-oriented, whatever. And I didn&#39;t say I didn&#39;t want to see any more Michael flashbacks now that I know his relationship with Walt. What kind of cheap rhetoric is that? But the flashbacks tonight sucked. And yes, he&#39;s very stubborn and proud. Those aren&#39;t "clues" as far as I&#39;m concerned.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:51 p.m. CST

    "Enjoy the ride...."

    by santos kauffman

    To all apologists: can you post your addresses please?

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:56 p.m. CST

    tattoed sharks and Kates hanging fun bags...

    by Russman


  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:56 p.m. CST

    I don&#39;t know

    by Ribbons

    Maybe that stuff will have something to do with anything, maybe not. As for the hatch stuff that wasn&#39;t from Kate&#39;s or Locke&#39;s POV, I was fine with that. I didn&#39;t say I expected a linear show, and as long as what&#39;s show is semi-interesting, I don&#39;t really care that much. But this episode had stretch marks all over it, and I think what could have been a cool scene of Michael and Sawyer dealing with one another like normal human beings just so that we could get half a dozen of them squabbling until they realized how pointless it was to pad the show with. And, come to think of it, shouldn&#39;t *that* tell you something? Both a chunk of the raft subplot and the flashbacks consisted of people arguing for no reason before they realized how pointless it was. It&#39;s almost like an auto-critique.

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 11:57 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    Beware bad grammar in the above post. Yikes.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Sure Santos

    by Banky the Hack

    You can reach me at: Banky T. Hack - 69 Your Mom&#39;s House - Gary, IN - 18750

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 12:17 a.m. CST

    some quick thoughts

    by MiserableRainGod

    quick bunch of things - the candy bar: a friend realized that, in the painted mural, the number 108 was inside the sun. Things revolve around the sun, things revolve around the numbers. Well, Apollo is the Sun God. A minor connection. Desmond in the hole: Desmond asked Locke if the world was still "there." Therefore, he expected it not to be. Why? Y2K? A plague? Something in his days as an "almost" doctor warned him about a plague, or hooked him up with people who thought one was coming? In the flashback of episode 2.1, Desmond said he was preparing for a race around the world. A race against time? Get to the hatch, around the world, in order to get in the hacth? "See you in another life" has new meaning when you realize Desmond thought the world was gonna end. The countdown clock: could be a failsafe security system. There are security systems all over the place - ON the island (black cloud) and AROUND the island (shark), why not in the hatch itself? See, if Desmond were to die, say from a certain terrible disease he thinks is out to get him, then he&#39;s not able to input the number string and end the countdown. The numbers: being broadcast from the island 16 years ago. Carved outside the hatch. On the injections Desmond was giving himself. Cursed. Add up to 108.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 12:27 a.m. CST

    Did anyone see the commercial trailer??

    by Hovitos2k

    The reason tonight&#39;s episode sucked. Was not only the fact that they just filled up the episode with rehashed shit, but the lead in had the voiced over tag line that said "The Fate of the castaways is revealed on tonight&#39;s LOST" Well, I don&#39;t know about you, but the only thing that was revealed was that Mike or Sawyer didn&#39;t start worrying about Jin till the second segment. Now I know this is a "Fantasy" show but when little things like that slip, it just starts making you think that the producers are just phoning it in. I was so pissed at the end of last season and I thought the season 2 premiere was awesome and it lured me back in. Then I watch tonight and I remembered how the show really pissed me off. I&#39;m on the fence folks, gonna wait till next week, better have my socks rocked off...

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 12:53 a.m. CST

    DHARMA sounds lot like DARPA

    by snowpuff

    I am guessing that DHARMA or whatever the logo says is a play off of DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency). Anyway, sharks with logos, wacky computers, wacky savage islanders... This show was supposed to be about finding out about the island through the characters. ABC is pressuring them to reveal some things and I think they are going to be in serious trouble with that. No one cares about sharks and wacky computers. They care about the characters. ABC, leave them alone or you&#39;ll destroy the show.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 12:57 a.m. CST

    so ummmm, fella&#39;s... what do you think about Invasion?

    by Russman

    I&#39;m thinking about bailing...

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Let&#39;s try this again:

    by Ribbons

    I think what could have been a cool scene/moment with Michael and Sawyer treating each other like normal human beings in the wake of the attack by the Others (and the show started out with such promise in that regard) was set aside to make room for the petty squabbling that never would have happened in the first place, but has more mileage. Anyway yeah.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 1:21 a.m. CST

    I am definitely LOST...

    by jedimast3r

    I too can see the relation between Desmond, the hatch, the island, and perhaps a self-imposed quarantine. What I can&#39;t see is all the BS rehash everyone else is also irked about. With a show of this caliber, the Taratino-esque dual linear regression/progression of thw story line not only didn&#39;t work this time around, but I think it&#39;s pushing a lot of people to other shows which are showing some promise. Invasion is not that great, however, and does just as much stringing along if not more so than Lost 2.1 / 2.2. I do agree that Lost should have kicked off with a huge BANG then taken it up a notch to reward the viewers and energize the season. But maybe the writers have a very, very different plan for the castaways than we are anticipating. After all, we still have no idea what&#39;s going on with this island.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 3:36 a.m. CST

    no shit...

    by kintar0

    didn&#39;t any of you watch the teaser for next episode? We&#39;re about to be introduced to a ton of new characters. We&#39;ve seen a whole third environment already this season and we&#39;re about to see a forth. So, Desmond&#39;s got a logo on his coveralls. I thought it looked like the Cobra Kai logo from Karate Kid.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 3:38 a.m. CST

    fifth setting/environment, actually...

    by kintar0

    Michelle Rodriguez was in the tail, too. We&#39;re probably going to find out what happened to the passengers in the tail section. My guess is that they are in the Other&#39;s stomachs.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 4:33 a.m. CST

    The most logical theory to date

    by Average J.

    Desmund quit medical school when he accidentally discovered something, some kind of drug or nanites or something that can enhance the human body and mind. He experimented on Jack&#39;s future wife. She was a guinea pig. He miracle cure fixed her body. That experiment convinced his backers to go more widespread. He eventually ended up on this island, which was turned into a research facility. That&#39;s when things went wrong. These nanites (or whatever) designed to enhance the human body took on a life of their own (the creature). It intentionally made &#39;The Others&#39; sick. Killed every else. Desmund looked himself inside this hatch because he thought he released something into the world that would have destroyed it. These numbers are some kind of mathematical combination that either activates this thing or keeps it going. Hurley

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 5:02 a.m. CST

    And the big reveal is...

    by The Selecter

    Rambaldi! Oops, that one isn&#39;t resolved either, is it? I dunno. I stopped watching that show. Will the Earth&#39;s rotation be affected once a large part of the population groans once it finally learns what the big secret is? All that in addition to the disappointment people will feel when they discover that all the little clues probably don&#39;t mean jacksh!t. Still, geek fans out there will pore over their tapes in a vain attempt to connect them to the plot. Enjoy the barbeque.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 5:10 a.m. CST

    What Fury Said

    by Magic Muppet

    For the first few episodes of Lost, they had NO IDEA and were just making it up as they went along. When it became obvious the show was a hit, they decided to be more focused. This is no secret, and it&#39;s pretty obvious if you watch the first third of season one. The reason Fury quit, and this is from his own mouth, was because he wanted to explain a lot more of the island&#39;s mysteries in the season finale episodes, create new ones for the second season and take it up to the next level. This was the technique used for Buffy and Angel. But the others (no pun intended), didn&#39;t want to do this. They wanted to drag the mysteries out for another year. Fury and the others disagreed, and he quit. Personally, I think Fury is right. I found it condescending how the others dangled carrots in front of our faces, and then never provided any explanations. There&#39;s a cliffhanger, and then there&#39;s fucking with people&#39;s minds because they&#39;re arrogant pricks who love to fuck with people&#39;s minds. The final episode we saw 10 minutes of Hurley running to catch his flight -- TEN FUCKING MINUTES! We could have had more of Locke and the hatch, Claire&#39;s baby, or Walt. It was insulting. It was an obvious ploy to stretch the episode out as much as possible so there&#39;d be no time left to explain the hatch, Black Rock, Walt, Claire&#39;s baby, etc., and they could hook viewers (ie, ratings) for another year. Give us SOME explanations, you jerks. A good writer can explain a mystery and create new ones just as addictive.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 5:16 a.m. CST

    John Locke

    by Magic Muppet

    If you want a clue as to what Lost is all about, then research the name "John Locke". I&#39;m surprised nobody caught on to this.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 6:17 a.m. CST

    Walt&#39;s Powers/Locke

    by jedimast3r

    I think this show will flavor the supernatural, and Michael&#39;s goodbye gift to Walt was a teddy bear that the kid manifested in the jungle. "John Locke" however, was a British scholar who believed in fact and reason in order to come to a conclusion, and our Locke on the show is quite the opposite, taking everything on faith. Unless Locke purposely adopted the name as an oxymoron, I&#39;m not sure what you meant by JL being the key to "what Lost is about"...

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 6:38 a.m. CST

    Screw Darhma!

    by Baba-Lou

    Where&#39;s Greg?

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 7:04 a.m. CST

    Taking It Too Seriously

    by BrunoTheDog

    I enjoy Lost, and I enjoyed last night&#39;s episode. It was somewhat of a rehash, yes, but it was still enjoyable. I don&#39;t care if all the mysteries are explained; I am along for the ride. I&#39;m surprised more of you don&#39;t view it the same way. Not every mystery in life is explained; and while answers are nice, they don&#39;t always come and sometimes the mystery is all the more exciting because of it. I am content to make slow progress as long as the writing and characters remain interesting. I am still hooked.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Locke and Key

    by Magic Muppet

    Jedimast3r, I like your pun about Locke being the key to what Lost is about! You are on the path to understanding, grasshopper ... seriously, the name of John Locke, and who it&#39;s based on, is a big clue. It&#39;s not THE clue, but it&#39;s A clue. Wax on, wax off ...

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 7:23 a.m. CST

    The trailer/promo ruined it, as Hovito pointed out

    by GypsyTRobot

    Generic voiceover guy promised "the fate of all the survivors would be revealed." So I assumed Desmond would say something about a disease or government project, or at least "You&#39;re all going to die, get out of my hatch!" Looked up at the clock, it was 50 minutes into the hour, realize the viewers are SOL. This ain&#39;t Kurosawa, folks. This is producers with less ideas than commercial time to sell.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Good gravy...

    by Ribbons

    "I don&#39;t care if all the mysteries are explained..." I don&#39;t want them all explained right away. Every single person who says that they liked last night&#39;s show keeps saying this. Listen to me: I like that "Lost" takes its time in general. But last night&#39;s episode was weak. You don&#39;t have to agree, but stop telling me, or us, or whoever, to be patient, because that&#39;s got nothing to do with why I thought the show sucked yesterday. Thank you.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 8:13 a.m. CST

    by Itchy

    Okay - some observations. First off, did anyone really look closely at that Shark ? When it swam under the raft, that was a metaphor for Michael and Sawyer jumping the shark. Plus, the Shark had a frickin&#39; laser on it&#39;s head. Obviously the island is Dr. Evil&#39;s new hideout. As for Desmond, I&#39;m buying the "miracle cure / virus" angle - it makes total sense. Remember when he asked Jack "don&#39;t you believe in miracles?" during the flashback ? Of course, the guy in the hatch is not the same Desmond that Jack remembers, because there was totally no recognition between that they had ever met. My bet ? "Desmond" is a clone, and there are numerous Desmonds and they replace each other in the hatch. As for "The Others", those are a former plane crash survivor who have been effected by this plague and have now turned into a bunch of semi-undead mutant Cobra Kai assassins who, apparently, enjoy pit fighting. Finally, best part of the episode? Kate&#39;s fun bags. Living proof to all you skanks out there that you don&#39;t need to defile your body with gross implants to be hot .... just a little handful to play with is fine.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 8:15 a.m. CST

    There&#39;s no such thing as monsters....

    by ThisIsTheGirl glib putzes

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Okay my TV is lousy

    by Hobbs I didn&#39;t catch some of these details. Please help - there was some type of logo on the shark that was attacking Sawyer? Also, something about DHARMA? If you guys want to start a fund to buy me a new TV, I promise I won&#39;t pester you to rehash details anymore. It has to be widescreen HD though or no deal.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 8:41 a.m. CST

    44 days?

    by Losteroo

    I liked the look on Desmond&#39;s face when Locke mentioned that their plane crashed 44 days ago. He obviously remembers something that happened in that time frame from the look on his face. Oh and I hope that next week the "others" aren&#39;t just tail people from the plane! Because they&#39;d have gone all Lord of the Flies in 44 days

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 8:48 a.m. CST

    John Locke....

    by DarthTatersWife

    From John Locke (b. 1632, d. 1704) was a British philosopher, much of Locke&#39;s work is characterized by opposition to authoritarianism. This opposition is both on the level of the individual person and on the level of institutions such as government and church. For the individual, Locke wants each of us to use reason to search after truth rather than simply accept the opinion of authorities or be subject to superstition. "Ultimately, in his acceptance of the existence of God, Locke was a dualist (those who hold that reality subsists both in thought and in matter) -- though only barely so; he did not consider man to be a divine creature fixed with ideas on coming into this world. Locke was an empiricist, viz., all knowledge comes to us through experience." Interesting, no?

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 8:51 a.m. CST

    phantom edit...

    by jccalhoun

    Once the series is over someone needs to do a "phantom edit" of the series and put it in chronological order. That would be pretty interesting to see the story as it happened.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:12 a.m. CST

    What Dharma Means

    by Itchy

    Check this out:

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Michelle Rodriguez. Noooooooooooo

    by NeoDurden

    Man, I don&#39;t know about you guys but I can&#39;t stand her. She always has this look on her face like she is mad at the world. Ugh. She is the quinesential tough latino female sterotype. Maybe she will not ruin the show for me.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Don&#39;t forget about the other philosopher namesake

    by Hobbs

    Rousseau - From wikipedia: Jean-Jacques Rousseau (June 28, 1712

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:31 a.m. CST


    by zombieslayer

    Okay, I was a little frustrated, too, that last night&#39;s seemed to be going over a lot of ground already covered, but it seems that a lot of stuff is going on all at the same time, so I can deal with it. Except for Walt getting the polar bear, those were pretty frustrating/unrevealing for flashbacks... Whoever made the point about the dude in Harley&#39;s nuthouse being the last guy who worked in the hatch- brilliant! matches up with Desmond asking "are you him?" like he&#39;s waiting for a shift relief... as for the failsafe with the numbers, and the countdown being 108- they&#39;re just giving the numbers a little more reasoning... but what happens if someone isn&#39;t in the hatch to type it? it&#39;s assumed the "disease" got out, and blows up the island and all the sharks and polar bears?!? I&#39;m happy we&#39;re finally seeing Michelle Rodriguez, and maybe Rose&#39;s husband... they&#39;ve certainly been teasing it long enough... pretty scary that the Others are all "Hill have eyes"

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Talkbacks are like Mikey

    by SifoDyasJr.

    You hate everything! Whatever. This and The Daily Show are the only shows worth having Tivo for until Battlestar Galactica returns.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:45 a.m. CST

    The trailer DIDN&#39;T ruin a thing....idiots

    by zacdilone

    The voiceover said, "The fate of the CASTAWAYS will be revealed." This was said over a shot of the RAFT. This was referring to the fate of Michael, Sawyer, and Jin ONLY. And we did, in fact, learn their fate. Simple as that. Geez, we should have a minimum IQ test to post in talkback.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 10:34 a.m. CST

    So, say there is a disease that drives you insane.

    by cookylamoo

    If the last guy from the hatch is the guy Hurley met in the nuthouse then he may have passed the disease along to Hurley who has actually been causing all the accidents himself. Hell, Hurley could have planted a bomb on the plane. He certainly has the resourses to be an super-villain.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Hurley&#39;s Friend

    by Ribbons

    Also keep in mind that the guy who Hurley took the numbers from used to work in the military.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 11:06 a.m. CST


    by DarthGreenspawn

    It&#39;s funny how the others want kids. Rousseau&#39;s baby, claire&#39;s baby, Michaels kid...... My guess on next weeks show: Kate shoots Desmond with a rifle, just as Desmond is about to expain everything A LA Ethan being shot just as he was about to spill the beans. The preview for the next episode showed Locke on his knees yelling "What do you want me to do?" and right beside him a computer moniter is knocked off the desk and hanging by it&#39;s cords. My guess, Kate shoots and kills Desmond, he stumbles and knocks the computer down (now nobody can use it after he dies) and instantly JLocke can&#39;t walk again A LA the (Discovering the plane on the cliff with Boone scene) and he&#39;s asking God what he wants him to do. Kinda like "Why me?"....... I think at the end of this season Michelle Rodriguez will let everyone know she was never on that plane. She is an OTHER undercover. LOL I mean the OTHERS have a friggin boat and fuel. HELLO. Also, it&#39;s kind of ironic the only people I care about are the only ones in these first few episodes. I mean who really cares about Shannon, Sun, and Claire or if Merry ODs and Drive Shaft.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 11:25 a.m. CST

    What&#39;s the significance of the "Apollo" candy bars.

    by cookylamoo

    God of the sun? Apollo II? Apollo Creed?

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 11:27 a.m. CST

    The logo

    by XAOS

    Wasn&#39;t the background a yin-yang symbol? As in "one side light, one side dark"?

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 11:29 a.m. CST

    I apologize for calling the people who disliked last night&#39;s

    by slone13

    ...but I&#39;m still laughing. Of course, you are allowed to have your own opinions and dislike whatever you so choose. But to state that nothing was revealed last night is simply wrong. In fact, the conversation with Locke and Desmond in his &#39;kitchenette" gave us more information than half of last season&#39;s episodes. As of this post, many people have already noted that much more information was given to us than some people chose to notice. Things we gleamed from last night&#39;s episode: Desmond is not part of &#39;the Others&#39;. Desmond did not know about the plane crash. Desmond did not know anyone was trying to get into the bunker. Desmond plays ping-pong against himself (insinuating, despite the 2nd bunk, that he&#39;s been alone a while). Desmond did not know the current state of the world. Desmond knows something on the island makes people sick. Desmond is anxiously waiting for his replacement. Desmond needs to input the number sequence every 108 minutes or something happens. (And something bad judging by the way he was reacting with only 2:35 seconds left in the countdown...) The Dharma corporation(?) has some sort of a shark security system in the waters surounding the island.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 11:31 a.m. CST

    What I think is happening

    by MeepleMopper

    I think that Walt is supposed to replace Desmond at his "job". I believe that the person whom Desmond replaced is the guy that was in the mental institution with Hurley.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Leonard (Hurley&#39;s Warden Buddy)

    by BankyFan

    Couldn&#39;t have done it, as he was the one who HEARD the numbers.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Harley&#39;s friend

    by Zebos

    Do not think Hurley&#39;s friend form the asylum was replaced by Desmond- think he was the replacement for Desmond. His hearing the numbers were prepatory, but for some reason, he never made it there

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 12:29 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    Again, something I already addressed. I didn&#39;t say "nothing happened." And I already said that I didn&#39;t say that. Arrgh.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 12:35 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    No, I&#39;m pretty sure I wouldn&#39;t. You can fucking rationalize it (the writers sure tried to), but Sawyer and Michael&#39;s argument(s) post-raft explosion were contrived, "bitch." And even if you&#39;re the type who likes to beat the shit out of your friends before spittin&#39; and shakin&#39; hands, do you really think you&#39;d say "Fine! I&#39;ll make my own raft then!" I thought it was lame. Sorry you disagreed.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 12:37 p.m. CST


    by slone13

    You&#39;re right. You did not say "nothing happened". The exact words you typed were "barely anything happened". And I did not agree. That&#39;s pretty much it. I have no desire to argue with you. In fact, you actually seem like someone who, like myself, really likes this show. I hope that the fact that we felt differently about last night&#39;s episode does not impede any future discussions between us. Which is part of the reason I apologized.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 12:45 p.m. CST

    The Mural

    by The 76th Cave

    The creators said that the mural had significant meaning...did you guys see it yesterday? Two identical faces, one all black, one all white? Like the rocks, backgammon, etc. Is it truly clones/mirror image stuff?

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 12:46 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    Okay, that&#39;s cool. And not to get pedantic on your ass, but if you realize that I didn&#39;t say "nothing happened," don&#39;t say that I did. Even if it was in the same ballpark.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Everyone see the logo on the Shark&#39;s tail?

    by GwynsHeadinaBox

    When Sawyer&#39;s raft falls apart & the camera is in "shark&#39;s eye view" mode for like the third time...

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Also: "Sawyer" = Gambit?

    by GwynsHeadinaBox

    Perfect casting I think.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Sawyer, Gambit?

    by Ribbons

    Maybe. He seems more like the Wolverine type if you ask me. Besides for the 5&#39;4", covered-in-body-hair thing.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 1:15 p.m. CST


    by MeepleMopper

    I wonder who infected who when Jack drank from Desmond&#39;s water bottle in the stadium...

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 1:25 p.m. CST

    "The logo says: Dharma" so, is it ep 3 or 4 that we find out thi

    by performingmonkey

    Lost is the kind of show where people are gonna be pissed after every episode just because the answers weren&#39;t there. I don&#39;t care, though maybe the replaying of events of the first ep was a bit of a cop-out. Like someone else said, I hope we don&#39;t get 20 minutes of flashbacking to how Jin got back to the island in ep 3. And I hope we FINALLY find out the connection between Desmond and Jack (whoever said it was to do with him secretly treating his future wife is probably right). I also hope that the survivors don&#39;t get access to Desmond&#39;s food stores because that&#39;s also just a cop-out, as is Sawyer and Michael floating back to the island on the current (I think that was definitely a case of the writers not knowing how the fuck they would possibly get back to the island without the raft). I wonder who Desmond thought Locke was. He probably didn&#39;t recognize him, he was maybe just expecting a guy of his age or something. Oh fuck. If you don&#39;t like it just don&#39;t watch it, you motherfucks! Or wait for the DVDs!

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 1:46 p.m. CST

    The episode could&#39;ve been better...

    by Pops Freshemeyer

    Had it been combined with the first episode and been a two hour thingamajig. Filling in the holes from the first episode was okay, but nothing special...

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 1:49 p.m. CST

    108 / 9 =12

    by Drewchem08

    12 could represent the 12 apostles, 12 tribes of Israel, or the 12 colonies of Kobol. Oh shit sorry wrong talkback.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Anybody got a screen cap of the shark logo?

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    I didn&#39;t see it and my VCR recorded the wrong ABC affiliate. I watched ch 2 and it recorded ch 26 which went to static near the end of the first ep. Shit.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 2:17 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    No way would I be "calm," but I don&#39;t think I&#39;d be arguing with my fellow castaway either. I get that they were frustrated for being on the verge of death, losing Walt and Jin, etc., but I don&#39;t see it happening. Even if they weren&#39;t more friendly, or realized that Sawyer had every right to think that a boat was just a boat and not a pack of evil island-folk, etc., the fucking shock alone should be enough to shut them up. How&#39;d Jin get back to the island? It&#39;s looking like he was captured. Maybe the Others grabbed him. But yeah, either he or Walt shoulda done the pulling of Sawyer up and not the other way around. But the beginning of the episode with Sawyer screaming their names out was pretty blanged cool.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Where does Desmond shop for groceries?

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    Why, at his local Dharma Supercenter, of course! "Dharma. We sell for less."

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 2:22 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    Michael, not Walt. My bizz.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Jin on the island

    by Banky the Hack

    I&#39;d bet good money that Jin latched onto the Others&#39; boat to try and follow them, and they found him there halfway in and knocked him off. That&#39;s how he got on the island I&#39;d bet.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Shark Tail Pic

    by Losteroo

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 2:55 p.m. CST

    The numbersnow obvious

    by KeSoze3

    Well, maybe the numbers themselves are not obvious

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 2:55 p.m. CST

    The numbers obvious

    by KeSoze3

    Well, maybe the numbers themselves are not obvious

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 3 p.m. CST

    The numbers&#39;s meaning is now obvious

    by KeSoze3

    *Ahem*. Well, maybe the meaning of the numbers themselves is not obvious, but two things are... their sum and the meaning of Desmond&#39;s clock, which are one and the same: 108. What does 108 mean? Elementary, my dear people. It&#39;s 108 units of something. What? Well, duh, it&#39;a countdown timer ticking away seconds, so it&#39;s 108 MINUTES. People, do a Google search for "108 minutes" and click on the link that reads "Pravda.RU Gagarin smile still shines on planet Earth". Here&#39;s a hint: in 1961 a Soviet farmboy made a historical "run around the world" in... guess how many minutes? Yes, exactly. If it takes 108 minutes to orbit the Earth, what does this mean for our heroes on Isla Perdida? I have no clue.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 3:04 p.m. CST

    The numbers

    by Hobbs

    In my opinion, it appears that the numbers themselves aren&#39;t that notable. Obviously, they are important, but there&#39;s nothing hidden in the numbers. The writers could have picked any other six numbers to serve the same purpose. This is a good choice of numbers though, because they almost seem to have some sort of order or pattern to them, but not quite. It keeps the audience guessing.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 3:10 p.m. CST

    108 minutes?

    by MeepleMopper

    how could a farm boy run around the world in 108 minutes.....was this farm boy the flash, perhaps superman..

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 3:11 p.m. CST

    The numbers (amended)

    by Hobbs

    I agree that 108 is not accidental. It&#39;s the sum of the six numbers, but I don&#39;t think there&#39;s any inherent significance in these six numbers. As for 108 minutes for Gagarin to orbit the earth, I&#39;ll admit that&#39;s intriguing, but 108 minutes doesn&#39;t apply to every orbit, just the first manned orbit. I&#39;ll stick to my notion that the numbers themselves aren&#39;t special in any way (a date, a measurement, coordinates, etc). Of course, I&#39;ll probably be proven wrong next episode.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Question re: Desmond&#39;s computer

    by Itchy

    do you think he&#39;s got porn on that thing ?

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 3:15 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    Coolness. Thanks for the info. And Itchy, I don&#39;t even think he&#39;s got the Internet on that thing.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Montauk Project

    by Hamlet3145

    Much of Lost could be based on it.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 3:31 p.m. CST

    With all this "Brother" talk

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Does it mean Lost originally cast Hulk Hogan as the baddie?

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 3:33 p.m. CST

    The tally marks

    by Hobbs

    Okay, he&#39;s got a blender, an exercise bike, a sink, a washing machine, a primative computer, a record player, but he doesn&#39;t have a pencil. Why are all the tally marks scratched onto the wall? And does that give us any indication as to how long he&#39;s been there? The guy from the mental hospital along with his Austrailian buddy heard somebody calling the numbers over a radio. Is it possible, that someone (currently Desmond) has been tasked with entering those numbers into a computer every 108 minutes? What if you had to remember six numbers but you had to remember them for a very long time and could not temporarily forget for an hour or so? What if you were by yourself the entire time and the fate of the world (or so you thought) depended on you constantly remembering the numbers because for some reason you don&#39;t have a writing utensil? You&#39;d probably spend a lot of time repeating them so as not forget. Is this Desmond&#39;s fate? How many tally marks are there? Do they signify days? Is he even living on a 24 hour cycle?

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 3:43 p.m. CST

    I hate to be an anti-troll, but that episode was absolutely fant

    by Lenny Nero

    I&#39;m sorry to all of you that simply want the story to barrel forward, but filling in the puzzle pieces is what I like about the show. Would you rather have us never know what Locke and Kate experienced down there? Damn, man. Information up the wazoo.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 3:56 p.m. CST


    by KeSoze3

    You know what the technical term for a satellite&#39;s arc is? A "swan". How many days did Season 1 encompass? 40... same as Noah. This is getting interesting.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 4:01 p.m. CST

    A few things that seem obvious ...

    by jgsugden

    My theory: Part #1: The bunker on the island is a doom&#39;s day device put in place when the US (or some other government) was freaked out by the Gagarin trip around the world. The &#39;monster&#39; is the doom in the doom&#39;s day device (by the way - look for the monster flying around all over the place during the initial plane crash in episode 1.1, especially when the engine blows). The government set up this base to release the doom&#39;s day device unless someone enters a code every 108 minutes (as this was how quickly something could circle the earth, this was the amount of time that it might take for doom to fall). Part #2: There are people that are born with unusual amount of knowledge and the power to control reality. These people sensed the creation of such a powerful weapon, and stepped into place to safeguard it in the place of the people that created the weapon. To keep it safe, they changed reality so that nobody knew of the weapon anymore (except them?) People with the power are drawn to the island by whatever means necessary so that they can keep safeguarding the weapon. When they come, they draw in any others that might have knowledge of the weapon ... including anyone that knows of the numbers related to the weapon. (Hurley, Rosseau, the others?) Part #3: The doom&#39;s day weapon was fashioned using the power of these super brings, thus making it impossible for even them to destroy ... all they can do is contain it. Part #4: Usually there are two people guarding the device, but one died/disappeared, thus leaving only Desmond, who is incapable of staying awake 24 hours a day to enter the code and makes mistakes. Desmond failed to enter the code and released a portion of the Doom&#39;s Day device ... which is the monster. Eventually, he enters the code and the monster goes to sleep again. Part #5: The doom&#39;s day device monster is controlled via magnets - and is what is behind the wall that Jack&#39;s key was drawn towards, and is what is causingt he compasses to go whacky.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 4:02 p.m. CST

    "I&#39;m sorry to all of you that simply want the story to barre

    by Ribbons

    But I.... already... arghh.... compartmentalizing dissent.... ARRRGH!!! I CAN&#39;T FUCKING TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!! [jumps out the window]

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 4:15 p.m. CST


    by KeSoze3

    If you figured that out all yourself, that&#39;s freaking fantastic. I&#39;d just hate to learn you had an insider&#39;s knowledge and decided to spoil the show for all its loving fans.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 4:24 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    I agree, that&#39;s a fascinating theory, and an oddly specific one. If you came up with that on your own, fookin&#39; awesome man. It&#39;s an interesting theory. What about the sharks though? Also, if Fury is to be believed, I&#39;m not sure they even knew that the monster would be "nanites" at the time of the first episode.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 4:25 p.m. CST


    by zombieslayer

    I will say this for Lost: the end of every show makes me want to shoot myself in the face. That&#39;s not true- it makes me want to shoot Locke in the face, usually. The funniest thing from the 2.1 talkback to me was people&#39;s interpretations of the "lost" noise at the end... that noise signals pain for me, personally... haha

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 4:32 p.m. CST

    What did one snowman say to the other snowman?

    by MeepleMopper

    Ice to meet you...

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 4:37 p.m. CST

    You people just don&#39;t listen

    by Heisenberg85

    Hey, some of you, just because you love a show doesn&#39;t mean you can&#39;t dislike an episode (or even part of an episode). You seem to be going out of your way to claim it was a super ep, well, it wasnt. At least 30% of it was a waste. Specifically the flashbacks. Watch the flashbacks from last seaon&#39;s Special, or even the relevant flashbacks from the finale, and then watch the flashbacks from last night. They added (almost) NOTHING to the overall character development. And also the last scene in the hatch, which was literally at times frame for frame from last week I&#39;m especially pissed that they ended on the exact same note. Yes, I get it, we&#39;re caught on both tracks now, but ended on "You" again was just a slap in the face. So, just because I have problems with this episode doesn&#39;t make me a "hater" or "an impatient idiot." I&#39;m not saying I expect everyone to feel the way i feel about this episode, but also you don&#39;t need to blindly like everything lost related, you can aknowledge faults and flaws. And on a final note Hurley&#39;s buddy from the insanse asylum IS IN NO WAY CONNECTED TO DESMOND, HE IS NOT THE REPLACEMENT AT ALL. This is particularly obvious, because they already explained where he heard the numbers. He and the guy that killed himself in Australia were working for the military during a war, doing boring radio signal analysis in the south pacific. One night they heard the numbers. That&#39;s it. There is no reason to expect anything more, they wrapped that part up already.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 4:52 p.m. CST

    jgsugden&#39;s theory rocks, except for the one big hole

    by BankyFan

    Why in God&#39;s name would they broadcast the numbers?

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 4:56 p.m. CST

    I will say though, jgsugden

    by BankyFan

    I think you&#39;re very definitely on to something. 108 minutes jives with it being an offspring of the Civil Air Defense (is that what it&#39;s called?), and related to the Russians.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Next week...with Hurley?

    by Losteroo

    This is probably editing in the previews, so that already is going against this...but it looks like either Hurley walks in on Desmond packing a bag (according to the shots in the preview) or not, but he is definitely featured in a quick shot entering a room with plastic crates that looks like its from inside the hatch. I don&#39;t know what that all means, but it looks like Hurley&#39;s in the hatch next week for one reason or another, and I only brought that to attention after reading a bit of Hurley speculation.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 5:01 p.m. CST


    by Losteroo

    Add to that the fact that the following episode after next week is titled "Everybody Hates Hugo" and is obviously a Hurley-centric episode

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 5:05 p.m. CST

    What did one snowman say to the other snowman?

    by I Hate Movies

    "I&#39;ll stop the world and melt with you" ..... or ........ "If you squint up your eyes, you can see diamonds" ..... or ..... "My balls are freezing."

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Sawyer = Gambit Pt 2

    by GwynsHeadinaBox

    Conflicted, irreverent, southern-accented pretty-boy criminal, and you see Wolverine? To paraphrase John Stewart, "HHH-WHAAAA?!?!"

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 5:14 p.m. CST

    I don&#39;t mind suspending that little thing we call disbelief.

    by Pops Freshemeyer

    But Hurley is going to climb down the rope and save the day? I could buy him saving the day if Desmond was at the bottom of the shaft, looking up, and Hurley fell on him. But Hurley climbing down the rope? Please. Unless there&#39;s a professor in the group who has been busy working on a crane, this is just a little too much to be believable...

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Tail Logo

    by GwynsHeadinaBox

    Thanks, Losteroo! I thought I was hallucinating.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 5:18 p.m. CST

    I don&#39;t know what to tells ya

    by Ribbons

    He just gives off more of a Wolverine vibe to me. Maybe it&#39;s the temperament. But "pretty-boy criminal" is pretty superficial, no offense. And maybe I don&#39;t know Gambit that well, but I didn&#39;t realize he was all that irreverent.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Hey Ribbons

    by Dijonase24

    You need to calm down or you&#39;re going to have an aneurysm and die right there at your computer screen. Don&#39;t take it so personally when people attack the haters for being impatient. You&#39;ve laid out your opinions in a mature and straightforward manner. I read the talkbacks around here from time to time, and you seem to be on of the more rational and level-headed people who post. Don&#39;t assume that every person who calls out the haters for complaining that the episode revealed nothing are attacking you.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 5:42 p.m. CST

    no offense, jgsugden

    by slone13

    But the only part of your theory that I think is even remotely close is # 4: that whatever it is Desmond&#39;s doing down there was meant to be done by 2 people. The rest is way to "out there" even for this show.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Re: jgsugden&#39;s theory

    by Dijonase24

    That&#39;s a pretty complex and well thought out theory. but I really don&#39;t think that I can get on board. Sure, it could turn out that everything that you said comes to pass, but I think that each person who tries to unravel the mysteries of Lost frames things according to their own beliefs, experiences, interests, etc. It&#39;s not like the X-Files where you knew that things were basically an alien involved government conspiracy. With Lost we really don&#39;t know enough at this point to say whether what&#39;s going on here is supernatural or scientific in nature, and your theory makes me think that you&#39;re a big comic book reader and that&#39;s how you&#39;ve decided to frame the mystery. Your solution sounds an awful lot like a super hero comic to me. I&#39;m not saying that there&#39;s anything wrong with that or that it&#39;s not possible, but I&#39;m not ready to side with such a specific theory when we still know so little. Oh, and for the record, I thought that last night&#39;s episode was pretty fantastic. The flashback was a bit of a retread, but it was still heartbreaking to watch Michael&#39;s futile fight to keep Walt. It was even worse to watch his ex reason with him and to see him realize that Walt is better off with her whether he likes it or not. I also love all of the stuff on the island. I&#39;m part of the slim minority that never at any point in the first season thought that they were dragging things out too much or providing too few answers, so that may have something to do with it.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 5:56 p.m. CST


    by DarthGreenspawn

    I do believe the episode titled "Everbody Hates Hugo" refers to Hugo Weaving. The black cloud nanites(sp) are actually tiny Agent Smiths infecting everyone. I also saw Hurley in the shaft during the preview, he had to of used the rest of that dynomite to blow the hole bigger so he could get in. Also, Kate said that one of the numbers (23) was important to her (we know why), I wonder if all the main characters will be able to relate to a specific number like she did. Hurley&#39;s would be 42 (the number of donuts he ate for breakfast the morning of his flight) Jack&#39;s would be 16 (the number of times Kate caught him "checking her out") 4 8 15 are the only ones I can&#39;t figure out. All joking aside BOTH 2.1 & 2.2 were VERY, VERY good and I&#39;m very picky. Though Michael&#39;s flashbacks DO bore me to death.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 6:10 p.m. CST

    I think Hugo is the one from "Bye Bye Birdie"

    by cookylamoo

    Hiya Hugo, Hiya Stupid, What You Wanna, go get pinned for? Played by the great Michael J. Pollard.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 6:46 p.m. CST


    by Gianttrev

    "Freeze" It&#39;s a joke Hurley told... and maybe Hurley is the "Him" that Desmond (D Demons) was asking John about.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 6:57 p.m. CST


    by Losteroo

    I keep hearing about Hurley&#39;s joke but does anyone know which episode from Season 1 this is from?

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 7:03 p.m. CST

    What did one snowman say to the other snowman?

    by Ace Hunter

    What the hell is going on in Lost?

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Re: Desmond&#39;s Computer

    by jbum

    Itchy: So you think he&#39;s got porn on that thing ? Yes, but it&#39;s ASCII porn.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 7:10 p.m. CST

    My haiku

    by I Hate Movies

    This is what I sent Herc: "Locke opened the hatch/Inside was some Scottish dude/What the hell, JJ"

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 7:45 p.m. CST


    by BigAssFan

    If Hurley said that snowman joke...looks like he is "him." Besides...he&#39;s shaped like a snowman...that could be another clue.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 8:12 p.m. CST

    The joke

    by Avant Retard

    It will be revealed that Hurley just heard the answer from the guy that told him the numbers, or his wife or something. I highly doubt Hurley is "him".

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:11 p.m. CST

    The real reason for the Hatch

    by Magic Muppet

    The real reason for the Hatch is so they can film in a studio, which is infinitely cheaper than filming on a tropical Hawaiin beach. I&#39;m serious.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 9:49 p.m. CST

    "how could a farm boy run around the world in 108 minutes....."

    by Col. Klink

    Easy, if you&#39;re cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin and the first man to orbit the Earth.

  • Sept. 29, 2005, 11:18 p.m. CST

    c&#39;mon guys, please

    by slone13

    Do ANY of you HONESTLY believe that just because a Russian orbited the Earth in 108 minutes back in 1961 that is has ANYTHING to do with where this show is going and what it is about? Seriously.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 12:02 a.m. CST

    Numbers and Lost

    by Losteroo

    This show is funny with numbers. Like how you can do all kinds of math and it "means something." Like, hmmm...Lock told Desomd that they crashed 44 days ago and there are 2 of them talking to each other...44 minus two equals...OMG!! 42!! These numbers are probably some locker combination or something, but the fact that we see them everywhere bring loads of attention to wacky details! Oh well, I may have to watch that "Numbers" episode off the DVD to see if this snowman joke shows up. No way I&#39;m watching the DVD box set again for what could definitely be another red herring!

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Hurley and the Hatch

    by Losteroo

    Not to be offensive, but I AM interested on how Hurley gets down into the hatch. They have to discover a service elevator or something, or it&#39;s gonna be pretty to watch him being lowered down.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Various connections of the characters with "Operation: DHARMA".

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    Some guesses: Jack&#39;s father is connected to this. Why did he go mental? What was he doing in Australia? I bet we will learn Jack&#39;s father served in the U.S. military, perhaps in Vietnam. Kate&#39;s dad could be connected, too. Who is he? It seems like Kate had an all right relationship with him and learned things from him (survival skills). Locke&#39;s father. Was that man really his father? A crazy, rich man could easily have a connection to DHARMA. We&#39;ll probably see Locke&#39;s father appearing in the flashback&#39;s of other characters. And here&#39;s a final possible connection: Walt&#39;s mother. Yes, Walt&#39;s mother. Why was she in Australia? She was a lawyer... did she have any interesting clients who are tied to DHARMA? And what exactly happened to her? What exactly killed her? Was her death a "natural" one... or was she MURDERED?

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 2:48 a.m. CST

    next week&#39;s trailer (possible spoilers)

    by Jubba

    for those of you without commercials or different commercials, the preview for next week&#39;s episode showed *******spoilers follow if you didn&#39;t see the preview*********kate hitting desmond from behind, him firing his gun into the computer and saying "we are all going to die" or something like that and then we were shown the "others" throwing the raft guys into a covered pit/cage**********end spoilers*********sorry if that was a repost, but it gives clues as to the significance of the countdown

  • How boring and shitty. I quit.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Shark Laser Technician

    by Losteroo

    That job is actually higher on the food chain than "Shark Tattoo Artist"

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Locke! Use the spacebar, Locke!

    by rockgolf

    Okay, if I was sitting at a keyboard and a guy pointing a gun at me told me to type in EXACTLY what he said and then he said "Four. Eight."... Well, then, I&#39;d type in "48". NOT "4 8". NO SPACE! HE DIDN&#39;T SAY "FOUR SPACE EIGHT". Locke KNEW to put in the spaces. LOCKE KNOWS ABOUT THE NUMBERS! ........ Of course that theory loses all credibility when you hear each keystroke and there&#39;s no click for the spaces. Desmond: "Fifteen. Sixteen." Locke types "15 16". SFX: "click click pause click click" Visual: digits appear with each click, but the keyboard is smart enough to add the spaces. Whuzzup widat?

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 1:17 p.m. CST


    by BrunoTheDog

    *Imagines Herc reading through hundreds of emails, counting syllables on his fingers as he reads line after line of incoherent dribble* // So, any idea when the contest results ill be announced? I&#39;m interested in reading some of the real submissions, despite the submissions in talkback. ;)

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 1:53 p.m. CST


    by zacdilone

    Haikus abundant/ The ticking clock on the wall/ Talkbackers antsy

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 2:22 p.m. CST

    My only gripe with LOST

    by MontyPigeon

    You know that the ending is never going to give people what they want. As soon as the final episode appears on TV, these talkbacks will be full of people going "THATS IT? I waited all that time for that?". The makers have dug themselves a hole with this and its going to be hard to climb out. Good luck to them when the reality of the situation finally hits the viewer.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 2:54 p.m. CST


    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    I think Kate may have been framed for the murder of her father and that of other people connected to DHARMA. This would explain why her own mother freaked out when Kate tried to meet with her one last time. Kate&#39;s father told her she needed to keep running. She doesn&#39;t really know why, but she trusts her father absolutely. He may have told her to go to Australia to find someone, who might have been able to help her. (Jack&#39;s dad?)

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 8:20 p.m. CST

    How these people might connect...cont.

    by zacdilone

    Amazing how many flashbacks feature visits to hospitals or other doctors: Jack-surgeon, Locke-transplant op, Hurley-psych ward, Kate-visited dying mom, Claire-baby, Michael-car accident...I wouldn&#39;t be surprised if part of the conspiracy has deeply penetrated the medical field worldwide.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Lost leg problems

    by Ace Hunter

    I don&#39;t think it means anything but an awful lot of characters have experienced accidents that affect their walking (Locke, Michael, and Jack&#39;s hot wife). Oh, I guess you could add dead-lifeguard-wedding planner-incest dude to that since he was about to get his leg chopped off before dying.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Also, the widow of Hurley&#39;s mental-patient-friend&#39;s navy

    by I Hate Movies

    She lost her lower left leg in a -- wait for it -- car accident.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 10:32 p.m. CST

    And Jack....

    by Ace Hunter

    ...twisted his ANKLE! That&#39;s it. The secret of Lost is that it&#39;s run by personal injury lawyers.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Hurley&#39;s mom...

    by Ace Hunter

    ...also broke her ankle. I&#39;m telling you the numbers are a phone number for "Shaft, Shaft, and Swindler"...attornies at law.

  • Sept. 30, 2005, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Here&#39;s what I want...

    by Greatroarer

    I badly need to know who has won this haiku contest about &#39;Lost&#39;. ...or failing that in a timely manner at least give me another entry for a second lame haiku!

  • Oct. 1, 2005, 12:12 a.m. CST


    by zacdilone

    Patience a virtue/ Time means nothing in this place/ It&#39;s always like this. :)

  • Oct. 1, 2005, 12:18 a.m. CST

    The Numbers

    by AI Joe

    ...are GPS coordinates to keep the creature on the island. Type them in on Google Earth and see for yourself.

  • Oct. 1, 2005, 1:26 a.m. CST


    by Greatroarer

    Zacdilone is right/there is not a lame contest/it is all a trick. ...or probably more accurately... Zacdilone is right/This web site is dragging ass/on this lame contest. (err I mean fab contest, definitely fab contest.) This site owes me 4 box sets now for the fantabulous haiku&#39;s I have made! Okay okay, minus 2 for using the word &#39;fantabulous&#39;...DANG IT! Ok just send me the one since I used &#39;that&#39; word again inadvertantly.

  • Oct. 1, 2005, 1:56 a.m. CST


    by zacdilone

    What will be will be/ Imagine Herc&#39;s dilemma/ So many haikus.

  • Oct. 3, 2005, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Locke&#39;s "Father"

    by Lavaman

    I was watching the Locke Episode DEUS EX MACHINA again, and there was something that I had not noticed before. When Locke went to visit his "Father", there is a scene where he is looking at pictures on the fireplace mantle. They are pictures of his "Father" in various outdoor activities. One of those pictures shows him scuba diving in the ocean. It could mean nothing, but I wonder if this connects Locke&#39;s "Father" to the island. Maybe he put that tatoo on the shark LOL.

  • Oct. 3, 2005, 2:05 a.m. CST

    Desmond&#39;s Roommate?

    by Lavaman

    Hey, I wonder if Ethan was the person that slept in the bottom bunk. But then again, why would he want Claire&#39;s baby? Was he one of the "Others"?

  • Oct. 3, 2005, 1:01 p.m. CST


    by RasThavas

    1) The symbol in the center of the logo is definitely a swan, but also bears some resemblance to a yin-yang symbol 2) The border of the logo consists of the eight I Ching trigrams. See for details. If I&#39;m not mistaken, this same border is used in the chinese mirrors that you put in your house to repel demons. Also, I don&#39;t think that the clock restarted after Locke punched the numbers in, so I don&#39;t think that the numbers have to be reentered every 108 minutes. Perhaps the clock started in response to the hatch being opened. After ep 1 I was waiting for this: Locke: Who are you? Desmond: I am the new number 2. The Prisoner vibe is *awfully* strong this season.

  • Oct. 4, 2005, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Contest Results?

    by LOST_Grendel

    I&#39;m dying to know who won (ok, really just if I won!) Any news Herc?

  • Oct. 4, 2005, 10:31 p.m. CST

    I&#39;d like to hear a S.W.A.G. (Scientific Wild Ass Guess) from

    by Lenny Nero

    I&#39;d also settle for # of e-mails re: the contest if this is not a possibility.