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Massawyrm, brainwashed by Herc, really enjoys SERENITY!
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Hey folks, Harry here - Personally, I think Massawyrm is crazy if he thinks Joss Whedon has made a film that will piss off half of his fanbase, cuz for the last half year - all I've heard from fans of FIREFLY and Whedon is that this is the second coming of God - and that SERENITY will cause world peace it's so badass. I've never really gotten FIREFLY, but I figure if I don't like the film after the event that the Alamo and I are throwing tomorrow - that it just isn't meant to be. Here ya go...
Hola all. An emotionally torn Massawyrm here. For years I’ve bitched, I’ve ranted and I’ve downright screamed about the direction Hollywood went in the 80’s and never returned from. Many a film has pissed me off and let me down for absolutely failing the audiences of the world by making sure it always worked out in the end – making sure the heroes rode off into the sunset together. It seems that every mortal wound can be fixed these days, and as films are tested, retested and tested again we’ve ended up with a steady stream of homogenized entertainment that has forgotten the primary rule of ending a story – that there are two endings to every story: The ending the audience wants and the ending the audience really wants. The Audience wants E.T. to stay with Eliot. The audience wants Ilsa to stay with Rick, not Victor. The audience wants Jack to survive the cold waters to take care of Rose. And there’s a reason we love these movies despite these endings not being delivered. That’s because these endings suck. And for years, except for a few bright spots, these are the endings we’ve been given time and time again.
This has been my belief for years – something I’ve looked for in films, something I’ve hoped for in films and something that’s stuck with me in everything I’ve ever written. And tonight that belief has been tested. Joss Whedon has taken the crew of the Serenity, a crew I’ve come to love over time, put them through a hell from which they can never return and left me bleeding and crying on the mattress. And I don’t know if I want to kick him squaw in the nuts or kiss him square on the mouth for it.
I’ve talked my share of smack about Joss Whedon in my day. Hell I’ve also talked Herc’s share, Dmann’s share and the shares of three other friends who fought so hard for me to watch Firefly for three years. I’ve talked a lot of smack. I hate Buffy. I hate Angel. I love the first hour of Alien: Resurrection – but hate the last 15 minutes with a passion. I Love the Buffy the Vampire Slayer film BECAUSE I hate it so much – it’s so bad it’s good. But despite all this, I sat down to watch Firefly with an open mind because so many friends I trusted told me it was worth it. And they were right. I really enjoyed Firefly. Flawed though it was, Firefly proved to be damned fun. And over the course of 14 episodes I grew to fall in love with almost every member of the Serenity’s crew.
So I hereby officially take it all back. Every fucking word. I still hate Buffy. I still hate Angel. I still hate the last 15 minutes of Alien: Resurrection. But Joss Whedon has the biggest god damned set of balls I’ve seen in God knows how long. Joss Whedon has made a film that will piss off a lot of his fanbase, hell, that pissed me off, and if successful could have single handedly ushered back the days of old – at least as far as Genre Filmmaking is concerned. Joss Whedon has made his Seven Samurai, his Dirty Dozen, his Wild Bunch. Joss Whedon has made the first truly great space opera in quite some time.
The old guard doesn’t have this kind of balls anymore. Spielberg certainly doesn’t. While Spielberg so readily early in his career sent E.T. back of into space and let T.S. Quint end up in the belly of the very beast he hunted, he hasn’t delivered like that since. He cut the real ending right off of Minority Report and let that fucking kid live in War of the Worlds – and while I enjoyed both of those films, because of those endings I’ve never felt the need to go back and rewatch them. And I still haven’t. Lucas never had that kind of balls. Sure he took Yoda and Ben from us – but not really. And when he had the chance to really get us, to take Lando from us and destroy the greatest flying pile of shit in the universe, he changed it, swearing that no one would ever see the footage of the Millennium Falcon blowing up. Gone with those balls and those days was a true feeling of dread for our characters – days when we never knew who was going to get out alive.
The most important rule of storytelling is this. First and foremost you have to make your audience FEEL. If you can’t make them feel, then you have to make them THINK. If you can’t make them think, then you have to make them LAUGH. If you can’t do any of these things then you’re not really telling a story – you’re just passing the time. The problem that most people have with Hollywood these days is that many of the guys who run it, and many of the old guard themselves, have forgotten this. Most of the movies they give us just pass the time. They’re often afraid to make us feel, because they want audiences to be happy. Happy audiences tell their friends. Let’s make the audiences happy, right? Wrong. An audience that has fallen in love with a character only to have them taken away is an audience that will go back themselves just to spend time with that character again, and hope, pray and beg – even though it defies logic – for that character to make it through this time. And the audience’s heart gets broken again. And again. And again. Did Titanic make 1.8 Billion dollars because everyone on the planet saw it? Hardly. It made that much money because women went back time and again to fall in love with Jack and to hope he made it through that time. Would we even remember Casablanca if Rick really did double cross Victor and ran off with Ilsa? Would we even care about E.T. if he’d revealed himself to the world and stayed as the newest, beloved member of Planet earth?
How many times have we as geeks watched Alien, Aliens, The Terminator, The Terminator 2, The Magnificent Seven, the Seven Samurai, The Dirty Dozen, Unforgiven, The Lord of the Rings, Jaws, The Matrix? These aren’t just films we love, these are the films we swear by when we wake up in the morning. And these films all have one common thread. They are absolutely unafraid to kill off characters we love – and they never, ever bring them back.
And that’s exactly what Joss Whedon does in Serenity. And unlike the characters in all of these other films I’ve mentioned, we’ve spent a hell of a lot more than just two hours with them. We’ve spent roughly 800 minutes with them. 800 hundred minutes. That’s over 13 hours. That’s more than the entirety of The Lord of the Rings Extended Editions put together. And while Firefly ran, despite someone ending up plugged full of holes in almost every episode, there was no mortal wound the Doc couldn’t fix right up. Not this time. Not in this story. By the time Serenity reaches its climax, there isn’t a single ounce of belief that any of these characters will make it out alive. By the time the final reel has spun out and you sit there stunned in an empty theatre you can’t believe what you’ve just seen. You’re pissed, you’re hurt, you want Joss Whedon to go right back and fix it all, to put it all back together how it was. But he can’t – because that’s not how it was supposed to be. Joss Whedon’s Firefly universe is dangerous, it always has been, and the luck of the crew of the Serenity has finally run out. And you come to absolutely hate that fact.
Serenity is Joss Whedon getting right everything I ever complained about in Firefly. My biggest complaint was the western aspects – not that it was a sci-fi western, I loved that, but just how hard he pushed to give it the western feel. The frilly dresses and the bonnets really were a bit much. Okay, the civil war parallel – awesome. The gun slinging lawlessness of the outer rim – perfect. The bonnets? Retarded. I mean, Kurosawa proved that you could make a real honest to god western without the western elements and still end up making a real western – and he called it The Seven Samurai. Well, here, Whedon completely does away with the Bonnets. Here we spend most of our time right where we need to be – on the ship. Here Whedon never feels he has to make this the old west to FEEL like the old west. And he ends up making a real, honest to god western.
I honestly never liked the River Tam storyline. To me it just felt like a Weapon X send up, another nod to Joss’s love of comic books. But here Joss does something completely different, something unexpected – he turns the storyline on its ear in a way we really should have seen coming, but never did. It becomes something different – something Wolverine, Universal Soldier and every other government weapon storyline ever never did. And now, I actually love that storyline.
And finally, I never liked how readily the crew survived every happenstance, no matter how dangerous. And Lo how I long for those days again.
Serenity is everything Firefly always seemed to want to be but never was. Serenity is everything it should be and then some. Serenity is real honest to god Western that puts you right on the edge of your seat praying for someone, anyone to come out alive, and never promising that that’s actually going to happen. Serenity hits everything it aims at – it’s continuously funny, even in the most dramatic of sequences; it’s heartbreaking at the most unexpected of times; and it’s chock full of action and real danger every step of the way.
There is never a dull moment in Serenity, never a moment I wouldn’t willingly go back to and rewatch over and over again. And despite what Joss put me through, despite feeling cheated, feeling robbed, feeling like all of Firefly was just a sham, I can’t wait to go back. I can’t wait to spend those precious few moments with the crew of the Serenity one more time. And I never thought, even while watching the movie, that this was possible. I had no faith in Joss. I honestly thought he was going to cheat – that everything was just a dream, that this was all a premonition of River’s that would lead them on a different path, that River might possess some great, unknown juju that could fix it and make it all better. And that lack of faith scared me more than the idea of never seeing the crew alive again.
But I take it all back, Joss. I have faith. I believe in you now. You’ve made a real classic genre film, one I’ll see several more times in a theatre long before I can put it in my DVD player on repeat. One I’ll swear to in the morning when I wake up and give my daily praise to when I thank Cameron and Jackson and early Spielberg and early Lucas and Kurosawa and the Scott Brothers and the Wachowski Brothers. Never in a million years would I ever have guessed the name Whedon belonged in there. But apparently, it does.
So Hercules, I’m sorry. Dmann, sorry dude. Chris, Matt, Ari, Beau – complete apologies. You guys were right. You all had faith and I didn’t.
My friend Chris said it best – if Buffy, Angel and Firefly were semesters at college, Serenity is Joss Whedon’s thesis paper. It’s the culmination of everything he’s worked for. And god damnit is it fucking good. If you have yet, much like myself until recently, to watch Firefly, you owe it to yourself to do so now. Marathon the fucking thing. You owe it to yourself to see this movie now, as soon as possible, before some fucking asshat decides to blow it for you and ruin one of the great emotional fuckovers in recent film history. And while I’m certain people can watch this film without seeing Firefly, it will mean nothing to them, it’ll be just another cool sci-fi film. You need the backstory, you need the love. This is one hell of a big fucking risk, a gamble of epic proportions to make a film that just doesn’t work without all the backstory of the 14 episode series. But there they are, Joss Whedon’s huge god damned testicles hanging out there for all to see. And maybe, just maybe, if this movie does well enough, the Hollywood types, the old guard and the young turks just now making their way up just might sit up and take notice. We could see a real honest to god renaissance in the way films are made, in the way they play with our emotions, in the way they make us feel. All brought to you by Joss Whedon. Wow, there’s words I never thought I’d say.
So if you’ll excuse me, I have some calls to make. And a big old steaming bowl of crow to eat.
Until next time friends, smoke ‘em if ya got ‘em. I know I will.
Massawyrm
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Awesome - so this is what it's like.
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Cuz that's what this review is doing, not that I have anything against Whedon or Serenity or Firefly or whatever the hell it is.
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Yeah, it's an awesome movie. I caught an advanced screening here in the UK and I can't wait to go back.
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I think the guy is talented, more so than most working in Hollywood today. I just can
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That's why Kong will conqour once again whether it is good or not, and why I'll probably end up watching this movie, even though I've never seen an episode of Firefly. That is one orgasmic review!!!
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Because he can sit through Korean cinema without the subtitles, and claim he understands what the films about. Yet, something with clear western sensibilities such as Serenity/Firefly does nothing for him. Absolutely one of the funniest things about any online person anywhere on the net.
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All jokes aside great review Massa, I'll be catching this flick when it opens tomorrow down here in OZ.
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Sep 28, 2005 1:43:59 AM CDT
Death of the Ford's Falcon and "kick him squaw in the nuts o
by half vader
Just kiss him square on the balls. How's that? While on the subject of balls, in that interview AICN linked to yesterday Whedon said he DIDN'T ignore the newbies and crafted it to inform them knowing he risked boring existing fans. So I guess by your logic he doesn't have Pom Poko testicles after all. You shoulda read the article before sucking on his salty balls. But I guess you are in love. ;) Also, it should have been Han in the Falcon that bought it blowing up the second Death Star. Much more poetic and a clean and logical resolution of the character's arc (taking into account that he did shoot first, of course). And it would have MADE him the ulimate bad-arse, whereas in the beginning he THOUGHT he was all that (and a bag of chips). Harrison Ford may have turned into the poor man's Walter Matthau (old grump but none of the humour), but he was absolutely right about 2 things. "I love you" - "I know", and that Han should have sacrificed himself in Jedi.
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If Harry can't be the first to tell you how great something is he just isn't interested.
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Its a freekin' URBAN legend. Lucas never intended for Star Wars to have a "sad ending" There was an outline when they were contemplating killing off Lando, but Lucas never inteded the character to die-so he had them change it. Plus, if you look at the pre-quels he DID end the series on a sad note...really.
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How the fuck does someone who's such a big Star Wars fan not "get" Firefly? What is there to get anyway? It's a SciFi-Western with a terrific cast that has amazing chemistry, excellent writing, four hot chicks of different types, and unbelieveable production quality.
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and there's a ghost behind Ted Danson and Celeste Holmes in Three Men & A Baby...
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See what happens when you cross the streams.Never cross the streams.http://tinyurl.com/bdsj7 ;>This review is enthusiastic,I stopped reading half way as I'd like to see this one at some point.
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No really ...
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Caught an advance screening and it was teh shizzy. Gonna go see it again a bunch more times. You can't take my gorram sky!
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You guys need to give Whedon credit. I mean, no one has ever had a side character die in a movie before... This is a bold choice from Master Whedon. Think about it, when has *anything* like this happened in films? --Whedon is truly the greatest gift to humanity.-- --Whedon is Herc's personal Jesus.-- --You guys don't know the history of cinema.. I do.-- --Reach out and touch faith--
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I got to see Serenity on Monday night at a free preview and am going to see it at its one-and-only midnight screening here in Brisbane (Australia); I prepped myself by watching every episode again over the last week. I have done little but count down the days for it to go into release and read the glowing reviews it's getting over here. And I've just received an email from a friend that's made me thump my forehead - she wants to win a competition, and the question is, "What planet is Mal from?" And I don't have a clue. The only planets I can think of the names for are Persephone and Ariel. Can someone PLEASE help me, I don't know why I can't think of it (is it an easy question and I'm having a brain fart? Or an impossibly tricky question that I wasn't watching closely enough to know the answer for?) and I REALLY want to impress this girl. Thanks! And for those who haven't seen the movie yet - just wait, you WON'T be disappointed.
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...the hate starts now. Oh and watch some cunt think they are brilliant and post a huge spoiler.
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Mal is from Shadow--
http://www.fireflywiki.org/Firefly/MalcolmReynolds
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That was quick! Who says the internet isn't a boon to humanity? Thanks!
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Spock died too. It was powerful the first time we saw it. Watch Wrath of Kahn these days and its not the same knowing he's coming back.
The Serenity cast at DragonCon said the studio has plans for a sequel if they do $50 million worldwide. -
Most of the time I usually wait a few weeks for any movie, but I want my money in on opening weekend. Lukecash, some people might say that Lucas ended the pre-quels on a funny note too, because I was laughing my ass off at Vader stumbling out of his operating table with the oh-so-cliched "NOOOOOO!!".
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That NOOOOO! was funny indeed. Still, I wonder what would have happened if Lucas would've let other people work on the prequels. An idea years ago was to let Frank Darabont direct Episode II and David Fincher Episode III. Maybe it was only a rumour, but a nice one nonetheless. ~~~~~~~~ Onto Serenity... As a big Whedon fan I cannot say how much I'd love to see this movie. I've seen the entire show now several times and every time I finish it with Objects In Space I wonder what the fuck Fox was thinking. Their collective brain cell must only be geared at reality tv, 'cause Firefly / Serinity was one of the best shows in recent years.
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Not a fan of Whedon's other output, it's terribly overrated, but this film looks pretty cool. Like Star Wars without the shitty acting. Wish they'd put out a better ad for it though, these hyper-cuts show you fuck all.
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At least the two, yes TWO different trailers that played in front of the movie I saw this weekend. There is a line of dialogue (and its setup) that is a complete ripoff of something in Jurassic Park. Maybe this is an homage, but it didn't look that way. I will see this eventually, but I don't think Whedon is a GOD so I have to run out this weekend and see it. Hope its good, because we can always use more good sci-fi, but the trailer(s) didn't get me excited enough to run out and see it right now.
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Sep 28, 2005 9:13:58 AM CDT
"Buffy, Angel and Firefly were semesters at college, Serenity is
by neo zeed
I'm sure the movie is good and all but c'mon Joss has been kicking ass on TV for years. Massawyrm's or any geek's hatred of Buffy/Angel is odd to me. Serenity just looks like a regular Joss episode to me. Me thinks he refused to watch TV cause he initailly thought it was girly or gay show and has been in stuck watching shitty Hollywood flicks. I guess for some dude who refused to watch Hush or Apoclypse Nowish, or Once more with feeling and endured hollywood dreck like Fantastic Four and god knows what else, Serenity would be next the Empire Strikes Back. It's like an oasis in the desert.
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I didn't say that Serenity was a copy of Jurassic Park. It's just that Whedon is revered for his great dialogue and there is a couple of lines in the trailer, something along the lines of "must go faster, faster would be good" that is almost word for word the dialogue when the T-Rex is chasing the jeep in Jurassic Park. I'm not trying to troll at all. If I was I would go in a completely different direction.
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I think Han Solo is the one who should have died, Leia should not have been Luke's sister and after losing Han, she'd shack up with Luke only to lose him too (but be pregnant with his kid so the Skywalker line lives on). And there would have been another two movies at least with the classic characters. Dream big! ******************* Can't say I agree completely with the "unhappy endings are always better" bullshit. That's like this "Episode 3 will be better because it's dark" nonsense. Yeah yeah, life is hard, get over it. You wouldn't want to see unhappy endings if you weren't a spoiled well-to-do rich kid in the first place. Some dark endings are meant to be, but some really aren't. I can't see liking Chinatown without Evelyn's death. But, I would not have liked LA Confidential had Bud White died at the end. He has to eat with a straw, that's dark enough.
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Okay, so the King of Rohan died, but that's it. Even Gandalf, who was killed, came back from the dead.
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"An audience that has fallen in love with a character only to have them taken away is an audience that will go back themselves just to spend time with that character again, and hope, pray and beg
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I never said "unhappy endings are always better". I said there are endings the audience wants and endings the audience really wants. Sometimes we really want a happy ending. But there are many films where ultimately the film would be better if it didn't play it safe. But look up the IMDB top 250 list and count the number of movies that end "Badly". The list of those type of movies may be larger than you think. But yes, sometimes we need it's a wonderful life and sometimes we need bud drinking through a straw. What I'm saying is that every movie needs the right ending, not necessarily the happy one.
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If it wasn't for me, my grandparents would never have existed. But then again, paradoxes are often used in sci-fi, so maybe it is true.
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I try not to feed the trolls but sometimes I can't resist poking them a bit. I was just goofing on him but you are right, I should have just ignored him.
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'Nuff Said.
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This guy has to be a troll.
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If you had watched Buffy and/or Angel enough, you'd know that Joss never gives us a happy ending.
Relationships end badly and people we care about die on those shows. His base fans understand that no one is safe so I doubt there will be much of a backlash. I know you hate the idea of Buffy and Angel, but they really are much of the same. If you have the time, try sitting down and watching a full season of Buffy (start with Season two) and you may see what all the hubub is about. My ex wife was watching it for a few years and telling me it was a great show. I'd just roll my eyes and think to myself "I thought you were better than this, you are a fan of a teenage show with monsters? I must have misjudged your intelligence" but after a couple years I caught a few really good episodes and I was hooked. I asked her for her copies of the first few seasons and watched them back to back to back. I have been a huge Joss fan since. Just sayin. -
Sep 28, 2005 11:23:18 AM CDT
"And when he had the chance to really get us, to take Lando from
by seppukudkurosawa
Dogg, always gots to be the black person that gets it, whitey figured he'd take a break from wipin' out the true semites of the world fo' once foo'. D'u wan' the black man to die? Dat it? Shiiit, talk about crackers yo. I mean damn, while the world be changin' 'round they asses back in '69, I'm talkin' social revolution dogg, Whitey be fuckin' around on the moon. Fuck Serenity, I bet you killed off all the token black actors in that too.
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I agree that it can make it interesting but I find too often Whedon does it not because it suits the story or the character but simply for shock value. I have come to the point where I expect him to discard beloved characters for no other reason than because he can.
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Yeah I liked it too, but you're making it sound like every time an episode from Buffy season 2 or 3 comes on the television it's so good that the TV miraculously grows 10" for 45 minutes while it's playing. Buffy was good. Was being the optimum word, get over it, Jack (Mike). You sound like a Buffy noob who's only just heard of it and is trying to over-compensate.
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Honestly? I mean your comments are pointless about the shows anyway, but it's even dumber to do it in a Serenity talkback. Oh and the whole "show for women" thing makes you seem about as mature as Tonay, hehe well done.
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I had no idea Lucas was planning on killing Lando and blowing up the Falcon!!??!!Holy shit, now that I have thought about it, that would of MADE Jedi a great movie. Nice review, not about Serenity, but movies in general. I love this guy. Anyway, for all the Serenity, Firefly fans out there, if I haven't seen the show, will I like this movie? I'm going to see just to see what all the hub-bub is about, but when my friends and I see the preview, we just crack up. It looks kinda shitty. Keep in mind, I have never seen Firefly, hate Buffy. Bash me at will.
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Everybody knows Lando was about to die, but George changed his mind, 'cause he knew little kids would be upset. Lando's death and no Ewoks would've made a better Jedi, I think.
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There've been a lot of Firefly fans who can't deal with the idea that people might actually die. Babies. Good job. vince -- It's not a very easy movie to encapsulate in a trailer. I've seen it, and I'd say it's definitely worth your hard-earned cash. The backstory is well-explained (very cleverly) and my friend who saw it at a sneak peak yesterday (and had never seen the show) fucking LOVED it. Check it out at a matinee if you're unsure. But check it out.
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I'm sure I'll get ripped on by the faithful for this but for me as someone who never watched the series Serenity wasn't very good. Theses characters were a lot more interesting when they were called the crew of the Betty from Alien: Resurrection, portrayed by much better actors. I couldn't stop thinking through the whole thing how much cooler it would have been with Ron Perlman as Johner instead of Adam Baldwin's Jayne. Also although most of the effects and stuff they came up with for the movie looked great, I have to say the ship design for Serenity its self sucks. Giant space duck just doesn't read baddass space pirate/smuggler to me. As someone not expecting all the western flourishes as well, I found the western slang dialog distracting and at times ridiculous. Somehow I doubt people in the future will go back to saying "twixt" and "nethers".
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Hard to tell if you will like it. But I would say that if you don't know the show then it will be more like Boromir buying it (and seeing how some people already forgot about it that can't have made much of an impact). If you watch at least the pilot, Out of Gas and War Stories you might have a better idea why it's such a big deal.
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Sounds good. I'll definitly see it then. Make up my mind when I walk out. Seriously had no idea Lucas was going to do that in ROTJ. Completely baffled me just then...baffled. I'm only 23 years old though, but I do consider myself a Star Wars fuckin nut. Welp, that's the reason I come to this site, for these priceless nuggets of geek info. Thanks nerds!
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I honestly wonder how well this movie is going to do financially? For $40 million, it doesn't have to make a TON in order to be successful but I was just out at lunch with some co-workers and we were talking about movies. So I mentioned Serenity and just got blank stares. Not that they were bad mouthing Serenity, they just had ZERO awareness of its existence. I'm pulling for the movie to make at least $100 million, but my guess would be $60 million when it's all said and done. Maybe that'll be good enough for a sequel. After all, the first Austin Powers didn't make a ton.
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It's just a pity you're the only one who knows what it is.
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Sep 28, 2005 2:07:29 PM CDT
My guess, from what you're saying, is you fucking hate Buffy
by seppukudkurosawa
but then that wouldn't make much sense after seeing your comments on the forums, where you describe each episode in detail. I just think you lost yourself somewhere down the line and don't have a fucking idea what to think. Or, maybe you're trying to make people stop liking the programme so they don't have to be associated with rabid fuck-monkeys (I finally stooped down to AICN's talkback level) like yourself so that it can go back to being a cult again, and you can watch it alone, in peace.
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and you probably never will.
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.. had a good ending. SErenity is a garantueeed 200,000 dvd sales so that's 8 million in sales right there, I don't know how much profit dvd's have though. If the movies sucks though, like if the sapce battle is more audio assault instead of video assault. Can't wait though, getting excited.
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Sep 28, 2005 3:59:48 PM CDT
Well you've gotta see the funny side of MikeTee/Tonay's
by seppukudkurosawa
He's posts have been deleted and he's been banned in both incarnations. And it took only 5 days for both to happen.
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that had fans of Firefly talking about the show? I only saw it once a couple of weeks ago. I didn't pay it much attention because I thought it was a cheesy ad for a lawyer or dating service. Then I thought it was a joke, making fun of Trekkers. Then they played some clips from Serenity and I realized what it was. Did anyone else see this? Anyone know where I can find it on the net?
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The movie will stay on top until it makes $30-40 Million, slide down after a couple weeks and make around $60 Domestic.
Of course this is not counting the repeated viewing of fanatics.
With the approximate 100,000 hard core fans and 1 million regular fans seeing it several times over the weeks, who knows what will happen.
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Every single major character in the prequel trilogy is dead by the end of ROTJ- and most of them die fairly violently.
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I mean really, do "normal" people that see the trailer for this dumass movie even know what Firefly is? I didn't.
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There is way too much talk about testicles on this website.
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Sure, Jean-Pierre Jeunet should have never been allowed to direct Resurrection, and the studio should have treated the movie with more respect, but...it's just a fucking disaster. Alien 3 is way better. I hate people who slate Alien 3 because they're people who just want a popcorn movie and not something deeper. They usually use the excuse that they were pissed off that they killed off Newt and Hicks, but this is stupid because what would saving them achieve? Ripley needed to be on her own again. Fincher did a great movie that was raped by the studio. You can see a cut more worthy of him on the Quadrilogy boxset. Resurrection, however, is beyond aid. Whedon shouldn't have tried to repeat the marines-style idea and......I don't know why I'm still typing, the movie gives me nightmares. If the studio had supplied the budget the end would have been salvaged.
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Not to turn this into a debate o' grosses (i honestly might see this just based on Mass' review, a first, but i liked what it had to say): but nobody knows what the fuck "Firefly" is. It exists in a total nerd bubble, and I really wish I had the tapes of Whedon convincing execs to make this - the world needs to see those tapes for the sake of pro-film propaganda wheeling and dealing. $60 mil - nope.
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Didn't the commercials for the movie remind anyone, at first, of Andromeda with Kevin Sorbo? That was what this flick looked like production wise.
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Did anyone see the special on Sci-Fi on Tuesday? I remember thinking that there were some kick ass action scenes and maybe more of these should have been in the trailer. In other words, I don't think the trailers have done it justice. And great review, btw.
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For the last time, Joss hated Alien Resurrection as much as you did. Here's an excerpt from a recent interview (from Rope of Silicon):
Question: What is one thing you would have done with Alien: Resurrection?
Joss: Do you have nine hours? There is nothing I would have done the same except hire Sigourney. In spite of everything she managed to do a wonderful job. That movie is a lecture I give to students on how not to make a movie.
That should settle it. Even though I quite liked that movie anyway, but it wasn't Joss. -
He's so damn naughty.
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When I wasn't hanging off my seat!
For the first time in a long time of film going I genuinely had no idea whether the entire cast was going to get killed in front of me - any and all were up for grabs. Knowing the TV series is no more heightened that.
I wasn't expecting that kind of genuine suspense!
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