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Herc Laughs Very, Very Hard At HBO

Published at:  Sep 25, 2005 5:16:34 AM CDT

SPOILER ALERT !!



I am – Hercules!!



“I figured I would check out the pilot, the new pilot. Oh, and guess what? Leo’s? They named a sandwich after me! I’m on the board! I am on the board! And the thing about it, I was wondering, because I know you don’t go in there very much, I go in there all the time, I’m in there three times a week, in as much as you don’t go in there, I was just thinking that maybe, because my sandwich is a great sandwich, but I’m not really a fish guy, and it’s kind of, you gotta like fish. You like fish. But anyway.”



“Too many Jews. To go around.”



Here’s what’s involved:



* Larry nearly drowns in the ocean. When a wave deposits him ashore, he’s determined to get scalper tickets so he can attend temple for high holy days.



* The coffee cup Larry drinks from has a too-dainty handle.



* A deli names a terrible sandwich in Larry’s honor. And the deli owner has too firm a handshake.



* A snitchy kid causes Larry to spill.



* Larry is not unwilling to interrupt sex for an important phone call.



* The doctor attending to Larry’s stroke-addled father has “the yips.”



* Larry is ecstatic when his stroke-addled father tells him he’s adopted.



* Cheryl Hines remains insanely hot.



Herc’s rating for “Curb Your Enthusiasm” 5.1?


****



The Hercules T. Strong Rating System:

***** better than we deserve

**** better than most motion pictures

*** actually worth your valuable time

** as horrible as most stuff on TV

* makes you quietly pray for bulletins



Remember, though, kids. The Hollywood Foreign Press Association awarded its Golden Globe for best television comedy this year to "Desperate Housewives." So "Housewives" is really the funnier show.















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    Readers Talkback

  • Sep 25, 2005 5:37:40 AM CDT

    I got rid of HBO since its a waste of money...

    by i wonder

    But it would be worth it just for this one show

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  • Sep 25, 2005 5:57:54 AM CDT

    can't wait

    by mrmonomaniac

    CYE gets funnier every season!

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  • Sep 25, 2005 8:54:18 AM CDT

    Best live action comedy on TV.

    by i dunno

    Yes, including Arrested Development. Curb shows where the real talent was on Seinfeld.

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  • Sep 25, 2005 10:46:51 AM CDT

    Henry Winkler was on Seinfeld?

    by the funketeer

    Or was it little Opie Cunningham?

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  • Sep 25, 2005 11:09:13 AM CDT

    DevilCat

    by grando

    Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

    Reply to Talkback

  • Sep 25, 2005 11:10:40 AM CDT

    DevilCat

    by kung fu hustler

    Jason Alexander was actually playing a version of Larry David on Seinfeld. So you can't really accuse him of acting like himself on his own show about his life. That said, if you don't laugh at this show, I don't think I'd share too many laughs with you. Funniest goddamn show on TV, and way better than Seinfeld.

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  • Sep 25, 2005 11:20:55 AM CDT

    This show blows.

    by josh town

    Seinfeld is one of the funniest shows ever. Curb your enthusiasm should not even be mentioned in the same sentence. This seems to be one of those shows where someone feels that they are more intelligent than others because they "understand" the comedy. its like the cool thing to do. I'll tell you what, I "understand" it and I still think it sucks. I'll give it one more try though (i wanna be cool too).

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  • Sep 25, 2005 12:22:47 PM CDT

    to those who don't like Curb...

    by hypeendshere

    you're absolutely right. it's the rest of the world that's wrong.

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  • Sep 25, 2005 12:23:12 PM CDT

    Re: Josh Town

    by fiester

    You're fucking nuts, dude. I loved Seinfeld, but Curb is Seinfeld's best character--George--only R rated, and it's fucking hilarious. The best comedy on TV and has been ever since it first premiered. If you don't think it's funny, you need to change your name to Grumpy, get yourself a bathrobe and a lawn chair, set it up on your front lawn, and holler at the neighborhood kids to "Keep off my lawn, goddamit!" so we can all laugh at you.

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  • Sep 25, 2005 1:19:04 PM CDT

    super dave

    by billwiser

    plus super dave's in it (slightly kidding). curb is the only show i'll think about randomly and suddenly my face begins holding back an insane grin. simple, yes, but the chemistry is knowingly darker than Seinfield, the laughs more concentrated, the baldness more poignant.

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  • Sep 25, 2005 1:28:37 PM CDT

    Who needs Voight-Kampff...

    by docpazuzu

    ...when there's a much better test available for determining who is a decent human being worth talking to and who's a no-good humorless reptilian asshat? You can pretty much divide the population of the western world into those two categories by asking these two questions: 1) Do you like BBC's The Office? and 2) Do you think CYE is funny? If you answer no to either of those questions, you're most likely a fatuous replicunt and a threat to civilization.

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  • Sep 25, 2005 1:47:44 PM CDT

    I clicked on this article thinking it was about Marvel and DC fi

    by voice o. reason

  • i love this show - already have all the seasons on DVD - the whole producers shtick in this season and the guest stars - david swimmer, ben stiller, mel brooks etc - beautiful and David's supporting cast was great as usual - from beginning to end this was one great season - not one bad episode in the bunch

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  • Sep 25, 2005 2:25:23 PM CDT

    Larry Davis as THE VULTURE pls Sam Raimi!!!

    by spacesheik

  • Sep 25, 2005 2:52:41 PM CDT

    'I got rid of HBO since its a waste of money....

    by santos kauffman

    But it would be worth it for just this one show.' I Wonder - have you ever flirted with the possibility that you are the reincarnation of Bertrand Russell?

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  • Sep 25, 2005 2:59:23 PM CDT

    My favorite comedy currently on the air!

    by neo zeed

    Curb is brilliant!

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  • Sep 25, 2005 3:25:21 PM CDT

    Seinfeld had it moments ...

    by hercules

    ... but Larry minus Jerry equals funnier.

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  • Sep 25, 2005 3:38:55 PM CDT

    Funnier, Herc?

    by waynefoolx

    I don't know if I'd go that far. I love CYE, but it hasn't topped seinfeld yet IMO. It may yet, this is season 5 right and shows really start to hit their stride right about now...he could still top Jerry. But I think it's too early to say.

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  • Sep 25, 2005 3:56:48 PM CDT

    I don't think I'm "cooler" than anyone because I think c

    by i dunno

    I am but not for that reason. Personally I think it's funnier than Seinfeld but that's me. I don't find Jerry all that funny and Kramer's humor was too broad. Elaine was funny though. The only thing about curb is that I can't stand the whiney, do nothing wives but I guess that's the point.

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  • Sep 25, 2005 4:38:25 PM CDT

    Uhh... What gives here?

    by l.h.puttgrass

    I thought this was a Superman talkback.

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  • Sep 25, 2005 5:33:29 PM CDT

    CYE

    by itblowstherobot

    I don't get HBO but I've caught most of the episodes on DVD. I never really thought Seinfeld was all that funny (and never liked how it got more acclaim than the Simpsons, which I always found funnier and just overall better, flame away). I also never found the Seinfeld characters likable, or even remotely redeemable. CYE actually has some characters who I like (Cheryl seems to be a good person and she and Larry really seem to love each other, which balances the show out).

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  • Sep 25, 2005 5:45:05 PM CDT

    double post...very very hard.

    by s0nicdeathmonkey

    huh? whats going on guys

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  • Sep 25, 2005 8:20:08 PM CDT

    "Chet's Shirt" is better than any Seinfeld episode...

    by hideo kojima

    in terms of humor, overall structure, and use of a joke. Another interesting thing is that after seeing CYE, it's hard to watch Seinfeld because I can see Larry David so much in the character of George (even sometimes Elaine...) and when I hear them, I just think of how much Larry would have delivered it... CYE wins!

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  • Sep 25, 2005 8:20:36 PM CDT

    *how much better...

    by hideo kojima

  • Sep 25, 2005 9:38:59 PM CDT

    I'm gonna wacth the west coast feed later cause I had to wat

    by neo zeed

    This show is simply jawdropping. No comedy, no bullshit. His life is like the NIN's The Downward Spiral. I hate to miss Curb for Reality TV but this show is not to be missed.

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  • Sep 25, 2005 9:57:57 PM CDT

    "Extras" was 100% funnier than CYE

    by josh town

    Amazing. Great show. Makes CYE look amateur.

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  • Sep 25, 2005 10:15:01 PM CDT

    bonaduce

    by neuron

    I've been giving thought to watching that show... it actually looks like something worth watching, even though I can't understand why anyone would want to televise what appears to be a complete personal breakdown. Also, CYE and Extras were both pretty awesome...

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  • Sep 25, 2005 10:16:39 PM CDT

    Extras rocked the free world

    by inspectordoppler

    Booh-yah.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Sep 25, 2005 10:50:29 PM CDT

    Yeah Neuron, Bonduce's pretty fucked up

    by neo zeed

    I can't lie. That dude is a nunchuck weilding, steriod abousing, insanly jealous husband. He always looks one step away from spin kicking his wife and therapist. And that's just the tip of the iceberg from what future epsodes say. I guess the point(beside seeing Danny Partridge dirty dancing, and brandishing sais?!)is just to see what a personal breakdown is like. People always use the term in jest, but here's the real deal. Or at least the Reality TV version.

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  • Sep 26, 2005 1:12:20 AM CDT

    Thanks for the Grey's Anatomy talkback...

    by doran

    That show fucking rocks.

    Curb Your Enthusiasm is great too, but not all of us...get HBO.

    Or basic cable...

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  • Sep 26, 2005 1:24:19 AM CDT

    Hey josh and devilcat

    by malebolgia

    why don't you do the world a favor and fuckin' kill yourself!?

    Reply to Talkback

  • Sep 26, 2005 1:45:18 AM CDT

    Gosh and Duhvillecat

    by wrecks

    = Idiots. And Harry, Jimmy, Trent, wherever you are out there, FUCK YOU TOO!

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  • Sep 26, 2005 2:07:40 AM CDT

    It sucked

    by the_pissboy1

    I haven't been this bored with a curb episode EVER. Totally lame episode.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Sep 26, 2005 2:09:27 AM CDT

    Curb has jumped the shark

    by jrbarker

    Sad but true.

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  • Sep 26, 2005 4:26:26 AM CDT

    Seinfeld was much funnier but Curb is close

    by i wonder

    Herc, In its prime nothing came close to Seinfeld in its brilliance. No show has ever made me laugh like Seinfeld did. Curb is funny - wacky - and at times brilliant. But it's really really really hard to like Larry David sometimes. The guy comes across as a very hard to like jerk. Still, there's no questioning his genious. I remember when he left Seinfeld and my big fear was the show would lose its edge - it did and now we see why. David is that good.

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  • Sep 26, 2005 4:59:10 AM CDT

    Just watched the rest of Season 4

    by antonphd

    Man. I think that I laughed so hard at one point, the dog and penis, that my chest muscles cramped. Damn. This show is the funniest show on TV. Close on it's heels are Arrested Development, Simpons, Family Guy and Seinfeld reruns. I don't watch tv much but I watch the Simpsons and Family Guy and some Law and Order once in a while but I rent the great shows when they hit DVD. CYE is almost enough for me to pay for cable and HBO. Almost. I am afraid of having the playb... er... science channels and never leaving my bed... er... couch.

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  • Sep 26, 2005 8:02:08 AM CDT

    CYE season 4 finale

    by mockingbird girl

    The season 4 finale of CURB YOUR ENTHUSIASM, hitting the punchline to a joke that had unwittingly been building all season, was one of the most amazing hours of television I have ever seen. Brooks and Bancroft in the bar? Fucking brilliant.

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  • Sep 26, 2005 8:22:02 AM CDT

    "it's really nothing but one of those shows that people who

    by docpazuzu

    You clueless smacktard.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Sep 26, 2005 10:09:29 AM CDT

    But Seinfeld couldn't say "Fuck".

    by cookylamoo

  • Sep 26, 2005 10:49:36 AM CDT

    More importantly, Elaine couldn't say "fuck"

    by i dunno

    That episode of curb where she said that she wanted to be able to say "fuck" and "cocksucker"...that was hot.

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  • Sep 26, 2005 10:58:01 AM CDT

    Speaking of Hot..

    by darkfyre

    How about Kate Winselt on 'Extras,' dressed like a nun and giving pointers on talking dirty. Schwing!

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  • Sep 26, 2005 11:43:10 AM CDT

    It's off topic but....

    by man juice

    does anyone know the names of the songs they played on Nip/tuck as Mama was dieing??

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  • Sep 26, 2005 12:07:46 PM CDT

    Somebody got rid of their HBO subscription?

    by -guyinthebackrow

    If you don't like "Curb" (and you're insane if you don't) what about "Deadwood" and "The Wire"? When either of those shows are on they are the best hours on television. No lie.

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  • Sep 26, 2005 12:38:12 PM CDT

    But David isn't trying to act or anything he's just bein

    by tonywilson

    No illusions, nothing to hide behind, most episodes are improvised, certainly the dialogue. I don't see what is wrong or off about him being himself.

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  • Sep 26, 2005 12:48:01 PM CDT

    Extras was very disappointing. Curb was ok.

    by chickychow

    I'm a big big Office fan and I chuckled, at the most, twice during Extras, and I think both times were during Ricky's David Brentesque babbling to the priest. Of course I'll still watch it, cuz its got potential. Hope it gets better tho.

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  • Sep 26, 2005 12:56:45 PM CDT

    That conversation with the priest...

    by drebin

    so fucking genius. So uncomfortable. So funny.

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  • Sep 26, 2005 1:22:49 PM CDT

    Winslet wasn't particularly funny...

    by chickychow

    Its not very shocking hearing someone like her talk about winning oscars for holocaust movies and such things, nor was she selling the lines well. Now if they had had Maggie Smith or Judi Dench or someone like that, it might've worked a little better. Plus the woman with cerebral palsy seemed like desperation for laughs. Leave that kind of thing to the Farrelly brothers, Ricky, its not your bag. (tho he got many laughs from the girl in the wheelchair in the 2nd season of The Office)

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  • Sep 26, 2005 1:23:32 PM CDT

    too painful to watch

    by burlivesleftnut

    Larry David is a social retard. The show is definitely funny, but its unkind to laugh at people like that ALL THE TIME. I couldn't watch the whole thing.

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  • Sep 26, 2005 1:27:05 PM CDT

    Herc what did you think of Extras

    by ogreishere

    I tivo'd it last night but havent had a chance to watch it yet.

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  • Sep 26, 2005 1:44:19 PM CDT

    A message to those using TorrentSpy...

    by tompalpatine

    Don't turn off your Azureus as soon as you finish the DL, it's taken me all night to download this ep of Curb.

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  • Sep 26, 2005 2:10:09 PM CDT

    CYE IS NOT nearly as funny as Seinfeld...

    by bigtuna

    It's funny yes, but Larry David is just too annoying. I really hate him on that show. And not in a good way. And yes, he does really come accross as a jerk.

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  • Sep 26, 2005 2:27:27 PM CDT

    any reason why they showed the winslet episode first?

    by cromulent

    just curious

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  • Sep 26, 2005 2:36:27 PM CDT

    Don Adams has passed away, Long live Maxwell Smart

    by harrisonsdad

    http://leftofcentrist.blogspot.com/2005/09/would-you-believe-its-just-head-cold.html

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  • Sep 26, 2005 2:44:12 PM CDT

    lame episode

    by rupee88

    I love the first couple of seasons, but last season sucked and this first ep did as well....just not funny, or fun.

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  • Sep 26, 2005 3:18:26 PM CDT

    Big Tuna

    by seppukudkurosawa

    should go to more incest survivor's meetings. That was one fucked up episode.

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  • Sep 26, 2005 3:22:27 PM CDT

    she's quite a muslim

    by slappy jones

  • Sep 26, 2005 3:37:20 PM CDT

    Larry whoops Jerry...

    by roj blake

    with both hands tied behind his back. Ep. 3 of this season is where things *really* kick off - one of the best CYEs yet!

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  • Sep 26, 2005 3:46:01 PM CDT

    Jack Benny Played Himself, George Burns played himself

    by cookylamoo

    There's a long tradition of Actors building shows around their own personalities.

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  • Sep 26, 2005 4:14:28 PM CDT

    Dick van dyke was shite as himself though

    by seppukudkurosawa

    They should have got Richard Attenborough to play him.

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  • Sep 26, 2005 4:26:03 PM CDT

    SPIDEY 3 VILLAINS CONFIRMED

    by spike fett

    GET ON THE BALL FAT ASS

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  • Sep 26, 2005 5:13:44 PM CDT

    question

    by gamesix

    Quetion...the last season ended (masterfully) on the whole Producers note...I thought Larry David had like an hour to go through w/his anniversary present, and that that's how this season would kick off. I missed the first five minutes of the new season, was that covered???

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  • Sep 26, 2005 5:46:21 PM CDT

    Josh=mental midget

    by optimus122

    Friggin trolling moron , if you can't laugh at this show your an imbecille , ya dumb douchebag.

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  • Sep 26, 2005 5:47:52 PM CDT

    Oh

    by optimus122

    And Devilcat too , insert your name into my post above , tnx a lot.

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  • Sep 26, 2005 5:49:05 PM CDT

    Hey, I like the Office, but don't like CYE.

    by christopher3

    That makes me half-replicant, I guess. They both have similar MOs - have the main idiot make the sort of faux pas most people wouldn't dream of comitting. The difference is that David Brent, at some level, knows how utterly pathetic and unlikeable he is, whereas Larry David (the character, anyway) doesn't seem to have that sort of self-awareness, and just digs himself a deeper hole. Larry David is a better actor than Seinfeld, I'll give him that. At least he doesn't laugh/smile at his own jokes.

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  • Sep 26, 2005 7:11:43 PM CDT

    This week's curb was good, not great

    by i dunno

    They can't all be winners. But the guy scalping tickets to temple was great. Leave it to the jews...I keed, I keed!

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  • Sep 26, 2005 7:55:09 PM CDT

    Cameron Diaz

    by optimus122

    Anyone see the trailer of that movie when she is walking in a bikini , owwwww my gods what an ass on her!!

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  • Sep 26, 2005 9:51:38 PM CDT

    Mr. Notsofantasto.....

    by josh town

    Mr. Fantasto, I love how you think since I don't watch curb, that I automatically watch shows like friends, Joey, will & grace (which for your information I don't watch). That just shows how you place yourself in your own realm thinking your hip as shit because you "understand" Larry Davids humor. I'm not saying people who watch the show are "idiots, with no taste". I just think it became one of those shows that became "the cool thing to watch". It surely has it's moments and definetly has its clever moments that make me smile, but it's nowhere near the riotfest people make it out to be. Seinfeld had perfect comedic timing, with great characters. CYE pushes itself to hard, IN MY OPINION. Now with all that said, currently, there are not too many great comedies on T.V. Maybe this is why CYE stands out from the bunch. Though SFU and the office are pretty amazing, extras showed promise too. Oh yeah, btw....OPtimus 122 "Josh town =Mental Midget - Friggin trolling moron , if you can't laugh at this show your an imbecille , ya dumb douchebag." NEED I SAY ANYTHING MORE, you've just became the first example of my case. Thanks!

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  • Sep 26, 2005 9:53:06 PM CDT

    We all have the right to complain.

    by cookylamoo

    At least until John Roberts gets approved.

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  • So........yeah

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  • Sep 27, 2005 11:19:24 AM CDT

    Istalkcheap?

    by tonywilson

    I don't know. But you are a dumbass. Either that or one of those contrarian wankers. Have fun picking which.

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  • Sep 27, 2005 12:08:53 PM CDT

    Instead of talking back about it TV14DLSV

    by seppukudkurosawa

    You really should be watching it. You'd best believe I would be too if had an aerial and TV at the moment (just moved out). I've got it on order though.
    And Dylan never claimed to be the perfect interviewee, that's not what music's about. In case you didn't realise, there was this big revolution thing awhile ago where Dylan took music to a new level. No Dylan, no post-Fab Four Beatles. No Dylan, no Patti Smith. No Dylan, no dickheads talking shit about him. So go cry like a fire in the Sun, IsTalkCheap.

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  • Sep 27, 2005 1:44:27 PM CDT

    I saw the 60 minutes interview. probably the best I've seen

    by hypeendshere

    it was a man with nothing to say to the public outside of a song and yet, the press keeps on him for something that he won't (can't?) give them. also, in No Direction Home, I finally "got" it when he shouted 'Ballad of a Thin Man' to the volatile British. "something is happening here, but you don't know what it is! do you, mr. jones?"

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  • Sep 27, 2005 1:47:32 PM CDT

    the title of the song is "Rainy Day Women #12 & 35"

    by hypeendshere

    not "Everybody Must Get Stoned". and if you're still stuck on the sound of his voice, well.... that's like saying you don't like shakespeare because the print's too small.

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  • Sep 27, 2005 2:14:47 PM CDT

    I don't care if you don't like him, but calling him over

    by tonywilson

    He pioneered so much which is taken for granted these day, his lyrics are as good as the best poets and he actually believed in what he did. I don't like Elvis that much but I still realise how important and brilliant he was. Now go be a little contrary wnaker and listen whatever the hell you want, but don't make stupid statements when you really don't understand the history of popular music. And where on earth did the Wallflowers and internet girlfriend thing come from? You strange pathetic man.

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  • Sep 27, 2005 2:21:58 PM CDT

    Hero? Fucking hell man you are nuts.

    by tonywilson

    I picked you up on being a dick, so clearly Dylan is my hero? Yes that must be right eh? You wouldn't dare for one secod question the stupidity of your statement be cause you realise how stupid it really was. Guess you must be in the contrarian wankers camp not the idiots one. Well I'm glad you chose.

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  • Sep 27, 2005 2:27:51 PM CDT

    I saw a bit of No Direction Home at my neighbour's yesterday

    by seppukudkurosawa

    Dylan was being interviewed about A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall, and was asked whether the song was about Acid Rain. In reply Dylan said, "No it's a Hard rain. A HARD rain." I don't know what's so amusing about that, but it got me. I think, at the least, Dylan brought a weight to the lyrics, made them mean something, and you can't doubt if you listen to a few of his songs that the man knew how to make a tune. Even David Bowie admitted he had a voice like "sand and glue", but you know that's not the point right? He knew he wasn't Smokey Robinson, it's not the genre he emerged from- he came out of folk music, which meant that he spoke for the people. You may not be one of those people, and you're allowed not to be, but chances are the guy's got more of a sense of humour than whatever it is you listen to.

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  • Sep 27, 2005 2:36:26 PM CDT

    So it's his voice you object to then?

    by tonywilson

    Aha, fair enough, however that doesn't make him overrated or a fuck. It just means...you don't like his voice. And you can like a singers voice even if it isn't good in the traditional sense. Do you hate Neil Young too? What about The Flaming Lips?

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  • Sep 27, 2005 2:41:19 PM CDT

    I'm pretty sure Joan Baez wouldn't take too kindly to wh

    by seppukudkurosawa

    Even if she thought he was an elusive asshole.

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  • Sep 27, 2005 2:43:46 PM CDT

    to quote Dylan: "Oh, you're one of those people..."

    by hypeendshere

    I'm aware Dylan isn't Shakespeare. It's an analogy. Just like Fred Durst isn't Dylan. Dylan is a writer/performer, not a singer. sometimes i want to listen to pretty sounding crap. sometimes I want to think. sue me. no point in continuing. you're right. the rest of the entire world is wrong.

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  • Sep 27, 2005 2:45:50 PM CDT

    "Dylan didn't do anything Joan Baez or Woody Guthrie didn

    by hypeendshere

    Fellow talkbackers, if you can get past that line, you're a better man than I.

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  • I just said I DON'T CARE IF YOU DON'T LIKE HIM, but to call him overrated does show a lack of musical knowledge. I even gave you an example (Elvis) of someone I don't like but I can still see why he was important and not overrated. I'm not a superfan, just like his music and understand that he did indeed break new ground with what he did. Of course songwriting and pop music would have advanced without him, but he was there and he did advance pop music and songwriting, while managing to reflect a whole section of society (intentionally or not). If you have to shift my arguments to argue back, you have already lost mate.

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  • Sep 27, 2005 2:47:49 PM CDT

    Instead of baiting Tony Wilson, tell us what it is you listen to

    by seppukudkurosawa

    so far I know you're a big fan of the wallflowers, but what else?

    Reply to Talkback

  • Do you really not like The Flaming Lips then? What about Leonard Cohen? Is Tom Waits too gravelly for ya?

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  • Sep 27, 2005 2:57:21 PM CDT

    So we've established you've got Wallflowers and Limp Bi

    by seppukudkurosawa

    and I bet you're proud, but it looks to me like you're spewing a hell of a lot of vitriol without many points to back it up. As far as Guthrie's concerned, he had the political intent down pat for sure, but he also had the blues artist disorder (B.A.D.), which meant that he took his own unique style and pasted it onto every song he wrote (see Leadbelly, Elmore James etc. for more examples). And also, at the time Guthrie was fighting fascists, he was a minority. There weren't many out there telling it like it is in music. The thing about Dylan is that he was part of that "happening", if he wanted to be or not. AND Joan Baez will admit that she learnt all her tricks on making her statement songs not sound preachy from Zimmerman himself.

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  • Sep 27, 2005 3:04:14 PM CDT

    You are a little bit cranky aren't ya?

    by tonywilson

    I haven't slahhed any bands, heck I like most of that myself. I just picked you up on you calling him overrated and a fuck, the last bit was just mean the first was just wrong. That's all, no need to get so ate up about it.

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  • Sep 27, 2005 3:06:42 PM CDT

    Are you a Hendrix fan?

    by tonywilson

    His singing style was not the best but his other skills compensate for it just like Dylan's other skills compensate for his off key voice.

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  • Sep 27, 2005 3:08:38 PM CDT

    easy, pal. i'm not saying you're stupid. just wrong.

    by hypeendshere

    Dylan is a WRITER. not a SINGER. he is worshipped as a songWRITER. not as a songSINGER. I hope the CAPS helped you to comprehend a little bit better. Sincerely, HypeEndsHere PS Served.

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  • Sep 27, 2005 3:11:44 PM CDT

    Yeah I like all that too-minus U2 of course.

    by seppukudkurosawa

    But I'm going to have to go into another of those, Without Dylan you'd never have Marley talking about Jamaican soldiers being forced to fight for the U.S., or Public Enemy's rambling story-like poetry, or the Beatles' career post Norwegian Wood, or Chili Peppers songs like Power of Equality, or well...I'm not sure what kind of influence Dylan had on George Clinton. A man who goes about wearing a pink wig is his own man. And you really think Rage Against the Machine have nice, coherent, clear vocals?

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  • Sep 27, 2005 3:13:50 PM CDT

    Hey, I'm just asking what music you like, that's all.

    by tonywilson

    No need to get so upset man. You just don't seem to have a real reason for not liking Dylan. Which makes me think you are a contrarian wanker or just trolling.

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  • Sep 27, 2005 3:21:16 PM CDT

    I never saw Don't Look Back

    by seppukudkurosawa

    Seeing as though it's never going to be released in Dylan's lifetime. If you liked Scorsese's take on this you should also check out the Last Waltz (depending if you've got a stomach for The Band, which I definitely do) and Woodstock (he was a cameraman throughout). Though I wouldn't be surprised you already have seen those two if you've managed to DLB and GS...asswipe.

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  • Sep 27, 2005 3:21:29 PM CDT

    Anyone seen Cocksucker Blues?

    by tonywilson

    Now that is one hell of a "rockumentary" if you will.

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  • Sep 27, 2005 3:25:19 PM CDT

    Yeah- that was around the same time the stones were touring with

    by seppukudkurosawa

    ...well...you know what happens in that rockumentary. And Keith Richards actually had the tenacity to criticize Wonder's backing band (Wonderstuff??) for partying when they should have been playing.

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  • Sep 27, 2005 3:28:39 PM CDT

    Seppuku, at the risk of stretching the talkback....

    by hypeendshere

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000035P7X/qid=1127852810/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-3012303-2088648?v=glance&s=dvd

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  • Sep 27, 2005 3:31:24 PM CDT

    Oh

    by seppukudkurosawa

    Well I stand corrected. Thanks for the head's up hype! Poor, poor credit card, you're going to have to be mis-treated again.

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  • Sep 27, 2005 3:32:38 PM CDT

    I kinda wish I didn't order Scorsese's doc now I can get

    by seppukudkurosawa

  • Sep 27, 2005 4:00:11 PM CDT

    Talbacks are more fun when the trollers are

    by seppukudkurosawa

    pat-trolling.

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  • Sep 27, 2005 5:38:33 PM CDT

    Thanks Leny Nero

    by gamesix

    Oh okay...man I got all excited that the first episode would revolve around that half-hour. I guess I missed the joke. Big ups.

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  • Sep 28, 2005 1:59:49 AM CDT

    People who don't like Curb...

    by all

    ...probably think the american Office is funnier than the bbc Office, drink Jack Daniels and 7up, watch gangbang porn and can't read.

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