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I got about a million emails over the summer from tough-talking AICN readers yelling at me about how they’re supposedly not watching “Lost” this season because it was such a wiener-tease in the season finale.

Yeah, it was a wiener-tease, but it was one of the best wiener-teases ever. Hurley’s hilariously disoriented reaction to Arzt’s bitching alone was worth the tune-in. And then … other stuff happened …

Anyway, you’re all big giant liars. Who’s not going to tune in to see what’s in that fucking hatch? I’m not strong enough and you’re not either, no matter how strenuously you posture.

Today, at least, we are all the bitches of the newly-minted Emmy-winner. Many thousands sat in the Oahu rain to watch the second-season premiere last Wednesday, and I think everybody there wrote in about it. 2.1 sounds way too good.

What follows is a giant set of spoilers for tonight’s episode, so toxic they had to be cloaked with double-secret invisotext. Do yourself a favor and don’t fucking read them. Don’t be a little bitch like me. Be a man and wait till tonight.

Here’s “JV,” who risked pneumonia to bring to you the most detailed summary of 2.1 posted to this site so far:

… The episode begins (after a recap) with a glowing green cursor (early 80's green monochrome) with an odd K-shape, and of course we are immediately reminded of The Matrix. We hear some typing on what sounds to be an equally ancient keyboard (sort of like the old IBM PC or Apple 2). Then some music starts to play, it's the chorus to Cass Eliot's (Mama of the Mamas & Papas) Make your own Kind of Music. Lyrics are here for those who want to assign meaning: http://www.casselliot.com/lyrics.htm. It's very retro, very 70's, very out of place. Take a listen at Amazon and youll see.
… We see someone with blond long hair, fairly muscular, going through a morning routine that includes lots of excercise? Is it Sawyer? Nope it isn't, but we don't see a face. He’s surprised by a shaking explosion.
… Then we see him inject a drug intravenously, a liquid that is glowing ominously. Then things seem to go in fast forward and the theme changes away from excerise to something more sinister, we hear creaking chains and gears similar to the black smoke monster, he gets a gunand then the camera moves upward and we see a shaft, it leads up, and of course ends at hatch entrance with Jack & Locke peering down like owls.
… It's dark at night, and with torches, Locke, Jack, and Kate are looking down into the hatch, with Hurley standing back. The entire rest of the episode other than flashbacks will be dark because it all happens at night.
… Jack sees the broken ladder and announces their plan to hide everyone won't work. Locke & Kate ignore him and examine the bottom, dropping a rock, and hearing a splash, causing them to conclude there's a shallow water puddle about 40 feet down, Locke: 50 feet tops. Locke thinks they can rig a harness using cable from the fuselage, but Jack want to go back to the cave, and so does Hurley.
… Locke says 'we went through a lot to get here', but Jack is seriously skeptical and impatient and announces that we are done and everyone's heading back to the cave. He's almost itching for an argument with Locke, who thinks for a while, then surprisingly concedes defeat, but keeps bugging him and says: Why don't you want to go down there, Jack?
… Flash back to Jack's past. He has lots of hair and looks like a young Tom Cruise. He's in the ER, two patients from a car accident come in. One a woman, another a man. Jack tends to the woman, and is in cool control, as we hear the other patient dying, as Jack clearly hears but continues working. There's a long back story where this of course is his fiancée/wife to be, “Sarah” (Julie Bowen from last season). But the first thing he hears is the woman whisper tragically that she has to dance at her wedding, so she's already engaged to someone else at this point.
… Back at camp in the caves, Charlie and the survivors are arguing about the french woman and his skepticism of her claim that the Others are coming to kill them all. Shannon comes in stressed, and is looking for the dog, the only thing really entrusted to her: i lost the damn dog.
… Meanwhile the hatch crew are about to walk back, and Hurley is arguing with Locke! Whoa he’s really mad! Hurley's really mad at Locke for lighting the fuse as Hurley was running toward the hatching shouting don't do it. Locke doesn't give a damn, and almost amused, and carelessly dismissive. Locke claims he was just excited, everyone was excited right? Excited to get inside!
… Jack corrects him: to get inside, to save everyone's life, or maybe it was just our destiny, right Locke? Tension. Kate also discovers the hatch door, which had blown off into the jungle. She calls everyone to look, because it says QUARANTINE on the inside!
… Back at the caves, Shannon is increasingly stressed about the dog and explains to Sayid: watching the dog was the only thing anyone asked me to do! Sayid protests that she's too exhausted, but she is determined to go searching for Vincent out in the jungle in the middle of the night. There’s Vincent! Then dog runs off. She gets separated, falls, then hears whispering, and the camera angle is from above her, as if something is watching her. She gets up and sees... Walt (could be Michael, screen was dark) standing distressed in front of her, ghost like with arms down and palms out, much like Locke's old vision of bloody Boone. He looks totally solid.
… Sayid soon finds her, and the vision is gone, and she is very spooked. Walking back to camp, Kate & Locke are now discussing the hatch, and he tries to convince her that weird stuff is going on in the island, because everyone saw the black smoke. Locke says Jack saw it too, so how does he explain that? You can tell Kate is sympathetic.
… Meanwhile, Jack and Hurley are talking at length. These two talking so deeply is unusual too. Hurley says Jack should be more chipper, then Jack confronts him on why Hurley ran in toward the dynamite saying the numbers are bad the numbers are bad! Hurley is reluctant, thinking Jack will think hes crazy, then begins with: well I was in this psych ward, and there was this guy repeating these numbers.
… He continues to relate his story about the lottery win and how his life had become cursed, and that the numbers and therefore the hatch are cursed. Jack is unimpressed, and Hurley is angry Jack doesn't believe him and tells Jack his sympathy sucks.
… Back to more flashback on the Jack's history with the patient, and how he tells her her back is hopelessly fractured, and that her chances for walking are pretty close to zero. His father soon talks to him and tells him that even in hopeless cases, he should give his patients hope, some hope. Jack says he's a realist, and that to give hope would be false hope. His dad says that's fine, because it's still hope.
… Back at the camp, Shannon is still spooked about the whispering and her vision, and concludes that something happened to the boat party, and Sayid thinks she's just exhausted, and that the boat is fine. The hatch party returns to the caves. Everyone crowds in to listen.
… Jack relates to the survivors that don't already know that there is in fact a hatch in the jungle, and they had just returned to open it to hide everyone inside, and that the plan is now axed, and that Arzt didn't make it, and the survivor mob gets frenzied, asking about the Others. Confusion.
… Jack shouts, leader style, and tells everyone that everythings going to be okay. They have four guns, they'll stay together, post lookouts, and wait for sunrise in three hours. He promises they'll be ok. Jack then spots Locke getting cable to go back to the hatch. Jack tells him that's not smart. But Locke says that Jack is probably right, its probably safer to wait, wait for morning, wait for the raft people to get help, wait wait wait, etc, but that hes just tired of waiting. Hes going to do things himself.
… Jack & Kate start joking about the glass half full thing, (he tries a joke: there’s a glass?) then she announces what shes really trying to say: shes going to the hatch, and says she understands Jack has to stay. Kate says shes going to go help Locke in case Locke falls or gets in trouble. Jack says right.
… Back to flashback. Jack meets with the patients fiance, and tells him how bad it is. The fiance is really unhappy that she might not be able to go the bathroom herself, make love with him, and so forth. It's clear to Jack that the fiance will bail. Jack later meets with the patient, and they have a chat, and she lets him off the hook, he doesn’t mention the fiancé.
… Back at the hatch Kate catches up with Locke, she's surprised he isn't down there already. He proposes that he lower Kate on a cable. She's iffy, but he says she's lighter in weight. He lowers her down, his hands slip and she falls and drops her flashlight, but his now bloodied hands manage to catch the cable and arrest her fall.
… She's all right, and before she decides what to do, Locke lowers her again, and she shrugs her shoulders and says nothing as she goes deeper. Looking down, she can see the flashlight at the bottom of the shaft, and there's clearly a cave or passageway. It is horror movie spooky, and you expect someone to pick up the flashlight. Right on cue there is a bright light from the cave leading to the shaft, and as Kate screams, Locke wonders what to do. Locke sees a blindingly bright light shoot out from the shaft and the cable is suddenly pulled hard, and his bloody hands can't stop it. The chain goes slack, and the light shuts off with a slam. He pulls up the cable which is empty, and there is no reply from the now dark shaft.
… This might be out of order, but there is more flashback. Jack is running up and down to all the steps of a huge stadium. He see someone else doing the same thing one section over, and he is driven to compete, and runs harder, as if punishing himself. Then Jack stumbles and falls. The other man runs over and they chat and decide it is a sprain. The other man has an accent, and says he was almost a doctor, his name is Desmond. Desmond is training for an event but he gets out of Jack that Jack seems to be punishing himself for something. Its weird he seems to see inside Jack's head and teases him that Jack seemed to be trying to compete with him, and on and on they have a double conversation about Jack and his promise he can't keep to his patient, or is it the story about his sprained ankle. Desmond says miracles can happen. Hes almost talking like an evangelist. The other man offers him some water, and after more chatting, he leaves, saying very clearly, see you in the next life brother or something like that. Jack is bemused and watches him run off.
… After he returns to the hospital, he is still sweaty and Sarah mentions that he stinks as a joke. He says he was doing the stadium steps running thing and explains it when she doesn’t know the term for it. He starts to cry and says that he failed her and that the operation was a failure. He couldn’t fix her and that shell never walk again, shes paralyzed.
… She says, youre yanking my chain right doctor? Jack thinks that this is even more tragic, and is about to confirm that, indeed he is not joking and she will never walk again. But at that moment she says that Jack must be joking because she can wiggle her toes, watch! Jack watches in growing disbelief as she can wiggle her toes, and he cries even more as he gives more doctor-like tests: can you feel this? he press on her leg again, can you feel this? this? It’s a miracle.
… Back at camp, Hurley is surprised that Jack has changed his mind and has decided to go back to the hatch. Jack finds the hatch area dark and deserted, and he climbs down the cable. He seems a gloomy passageway with old containers of cement, a mysterious painting painted on the wall, and various lighted switches and pipes. He enters into a large domed geodesic like room with some ancient computers, its so silent and so weird! And suddenly that Cass Eliot song from the beginning begins to play, really loud. It's totally loud, totally out of place, and he's totally scared as he tries to stay calm. He sees the green computer cursor and is about to touch it, when you hear , I wouldn't do that. It's Locke. Locke has a gun to his head around a corner, and another voice says drop your gun or he dies. Jack doesn't seem to give a damn as he has been angry and suspicious of Locke all episode. The other guy comes into view and fires a shot into the ceiling to say he's serious, but Jack doesn't budge. He doesn’t trust Locke and is willing to take the chance that Locke will get shot. Eventually we see them pointing guns at each other with the other guy holding Locke hostage. His face comes into view, and Jack's jaw drops. YOU!
… Its the guy from the stadium.
… L O S T

Eeeee-wah eeeee-wah eeeee-wah …

9 p.m. Wednesday. ABC.









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  • Sept. 21, 2005, 2:14 a.m. CST

    MY First First

    by DARTHTAINO

    This show rocks more than metallica on tour!!!! what do you think.....

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 2:36 a.m. CST

    Hey, I'm 4th..or maybe 8th, 15th, 16th....possibly even 23rd

    by Monkeybrains

    Hey, It's Bill Murray's 55th Birthday today! Congrats Winger... "Chicks dig me, because I rarely wear underwear and when I do it's usually something unusual. But now I know why I have always lost women to guys like you. I mean, it's not just the uniform. It's the stories that you tell. So much fun and imagination.Lee Harvey, you are a madman. When you stole that cow, and your friend tried to make it with the cow. I want to party with you, cowboy"

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 2:49 a.m. CST

    I. Must. Not. Read. The. Invisotext. No... I won't do it. Ah

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    I'm weakening. Can't stop myself. No! Nooooooooooo!! You will NOT!! There. How easy was that? Piece of cake. Now go ahead and look at the spoilers. Uhh... WHAT!! What am I saying?! Shit! I'm losing it! Got to pull myself together! Damn it! Be a man! Get a grip on yourself ya pansy!! What's a matter? You gonna lookit da spoilers an cry about it? No you're not. You're gonna Click on the red X and close that window. Yes you are. Go ahead... Click it. I said click it! What are you waiting for?! Slide the God damn arrow up there and click that red motherfu%$^#g X! Are you listening to me!! I SAID CLICK THAT GOD DAMN *CLICK*

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 3:11 a.m. CST

    over-rated and over-hyped.

    by mansep

    after 5 episodes shown here in the UK it's already lost almost half it's viewers. and i don't know anyone whos doesn't find it tedious, totally lacking in any humour, and just a total "weiner tease". This show can't get axed quickly enough.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 4:40 a.m. CST

    FootFknMaster

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    You must be a Bloom County fan. L.H.P. isn't exactly a regular character on the strip. By-the-way, I did manage to avert my eyes. Though I wasn't as strong on ABC's Lost site. Damn it! I've been spoiled!

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 6:02 a.m. CST

    WHY WASN'T THIS THE SEASON FINALE?!?

    by Killah_Mate

    I'm one of those people who are seriously pissed about the Godawful season finale, which sucked so much balls plotwise it negated the otherwise excellent acting and execution. But now, after reading a bunch of spoilers for 2.1, I may be even more pissed! WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T THEY MAKE THIS THE SEASON FINALE?!?!?! It sounds like a GREAT tease, and unlike the astronomically stupid last scene of the finale, doesn't leave you feeling cheated -- nay, assfucked by JJ Assrams.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 6:08 a.m. CST

    All tease, no payoffs

    by Flipao

    I hate the damn show. :\

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 6:46 a.m. CST

    was i the only one that noticed that the number of people alive

    by Holodigm

    right before boone died: 44 (julie bowen's shirt) 44 - boone + claire's baby - arzt - walt = 42. Or if you just want to count deaths... 44 - boone - arzt = 42.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 7:28 a.m. CST

    I didnt read the article . . .

    by jocutus

    But I hope you didn't put a spoiler in the damn headline on the main page. Now I'm already anticipating glowing liquid. Was that in the promos? I must have missed it.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 7:49 a.m. CST

    So.....jealous.....must wait .....at least a week more than the

    by ThisIsTheGirl

    No offence, of course - but I seriously need to see this program NOW. I only read the first bit of the inviso-text when it became clear that the entire episode synopsis was up there, but I read just enough to get me gasping for more. Oh, and Mansep - there have actually been 7 shown so far in the UK, 8 if you have E4. Everybody I know thinks it's one of the best TV shows to have come out of the States in years, as evidenced by the constant begging I have to endure from people eager to "borrow" my DVD set of the complete first series. Oh, and the probability of Lost being axed before it reaches its conclusion, whether that be in a big budget movie, or at the end of Season 4? Zero. You sir, are King of the Mess-Ups

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Pile of poo

    by VK Fail

    Have to agree with mansep, there's building tension and there's's you've got. I was intrigued by the first episode, and really looking forward to the rest of the series but now i couldn't give two shits

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 8:33 a.m. CST

    by VK Fail

    oops, arsed fisrt post up Have to agree with mansep, there's building tension and there's stringing things out cos you've got too few ideas and don't know what to do with the ones you've got. I was intrigued by the first episode, and really looking forward to the rest of the series but now i couldn't give two shits

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 8:34 a.m. CST

    I fear Adebisi

    by Darth Busey

    Wouldn't want to be in a dark tunnel with him, if you know what I mean...

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 8:48 a.m. CST

    ThisIsTheGirl *** 4 Seasons?

    by Flummage

    Where u referencing something else by saying it won't get cancelled by the end of season 4, or where u beeing general? Have they gone on record saying that there is going ot be 4 seasons? I've seen JJ Abrhams and some other guy say they definitively know the backstory and why these seemingly random events are happening, so it's just a case of how and how quickly they deal it to us... I think everyone would preffer 2 or 3 really tight seasons to several really scattered and stretched ones, they should take example from The Office, it was really condensed at 2 short seasons and a special, and all the more potent and memorable for it.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 8:54 a.m. CST

    The season finale was awesome...

    by Frank Black

    I don't know why people didn't think it was satisfying. How much more does one need? This show is clearly about the characters first, and the gimmicks and action are incidental. I have found with Lost, its taking the ride with these people is the reward and where they end up doesn't matter as much.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 9:20 a.m. CST

    I Am Not A Number, I Am A Free Man!

    by ZombieSolutions

    oh, i'm sorry, i was thinking about a good show. one of them there thought-provoking existential sci-fi thangs that LOST so desperately wants to be, but isn't.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 9:53 a.m. CST

    You impatient fuckers are going to have to relax.

    by I Dunno

    This is a tv series, not a M. Night film. If they blow their load about what the osland is anytime soon, the show is over. It's not about Gilligan getting off the island or Voyager making it back to earth. It's the journey. If you don't dig the characters and the flashbacks and the teases, you'd be better off watching something else and check out the resolution on the net when it finally comes.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Will. Not. Read. Invsio-text

    by Itchy

    Fuck that ... after one sentence it was clearly a play by play. I guess I'll just wait a few hours and watch the damn episode. I love the show, but JJ buddy better convince me he really knows where this ride is going, or he's going to lose me fast this year.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 10:08 a.m. CST

    It was the final shot, not the finale, that sucked

    by thegreenvortex

    They could have ended the finale with the Others snatching Walt. They could have ended with the hatch exploding near Jack and Hurley. Instead they end with a big F.U. to everyone who had loyally and patiently waited to see inside the hatch. Killah-Mate above is absolutely correct. If the writers really knew back then that this was inside, then they should have used this episode's closing as the finale closer. The "million" people that emailed Herc have got chapped asses and are seriously going to hold JJ to the fire this season. Episode 2.1 seems to indicate that LOST is not up to the task of coming back from such a misstep and has simply set up its fans for disappointment.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 10:37 a.m. CST

    It's "weiner", not "wiener"

    by Spike Fett

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 10:41 a.m. CST

    No, "wiener" is correct...

    by Spike Fett

    WTG jag-off. Yes I'm talking to myself.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 10:49 a.m. CST

    INVISO-TEXT? WHAT IN THE FUCK, ARE THESE STATE SECRETS? If not

    by LordEnigma

    I have been going off about inviso-text for 3 years now. No, I dont have anything to do with my time. Yes, I already save a lot on my car insurance. So stop freakin asking! However, it's a SPOILER POST! Hiding the play-by-play of this episode makes no sense Herc. If you can change the title to the Battlestar DVD release 2 times. You can uninviso-text this, and let people decided to read it at their own recourse. Instead of being an inabler of theier whacky escentricities.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 11:11 a.m. CST

    by VK Fail

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 11:14 a.m. CST

    by VK Fail

    You can't even claim the show is about character because whilst their back stories may be revealed as far as i can tell the characters don't really develop much and are just a big ol' bunch of walking cliches

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 11:18 a.m. CST

    I'm old school

    by cromulent

    and use my Infocom inviso clues magical marker on my computer monitor, but it don't work for some reason and now my boss is about to fire me. Fucking facist.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Internet Toughguy-ism 101

    by Ribbons

    This is what I mean when I say ideas grow over the Internet: somebody who watches it somewhere in the UK has called it a cocktease 5 EPISODES IN!!! You don't know enough about the show to call it a cocktease at that point. Are you fucking kidding me? Because a couple mysterious things happened, it's a cocktease? Get outta here with that baloney.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 11:58 a.m. CST

    And, seriously...

    by Ribbons

    "Fuck this cocktease." You'd sound like an asshole if you were talking about an actual cocktease. As it is, you're talking about a TV show. Either watch it, or don't. Here's a prediction: the "secret" can't possibly be as earth-shattering as you expect it to be. So if you don't enjoy watching it, don't watch it. It's really that simple. They're not going to put a mega-budget show on the air for one fucking season just so that you can get your answers hard and fast and then talk about them at the water cooler the next day. Some of the episodes are filler, most I actually find to be better than average, some even great (especially the first 5 and the last 3, and Hurley's "Numbers"). But they also don't reveal much. That's the game, folks. The information isn't going to enrich your lives anyway. So don't watch if you don't derive any pleasure from it. Or if you do, don't bitch about it to us. Or, if you have to do that, could you please not do it in a way that makes you sound like you're getting ready to kick the show's ass, or rape it, or something? "Fuck this, fuck that, blah blah blah." We're all impressed.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Please tell us what to do Ribbons

    by Moe Ron

    And what to think, and how to breathe, please unleash your great wisdom on us all. Jackass.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 2 p.m. CST

    Backlash?

    by cooper2000

    I watched the finale and felt gipped. I sat there with my mouth open not because how good it was but because we were promised some concrete answers and didnt get shit. Recently in Entertainment Weekly the producers were dumb foudned why everyone was pissed so they said, again, that they will finally give us answers. From what I read last season it was the network that wanted the producers and writers to slow down on the answers so if it's anyones fault that this show starts to get a backlash it's them. I'll give it a try again tonight but will everyone or will they abandon the show?

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 2:20 p.m. CST

    I agree this should have been the season finale

    by fiester

    A missed opportunity there.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Holodigm - Creepy ain't it?

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    48 "original survivors" - the drowned woman on the beach = 47 - Kate's Marshal = 46 - Ethan Rom's victim = 45 - Ethan Rom = 44 - Boone = 43 - Arzt = 42 Ack! If the Others attack will it drop to 23? Nah! 23 is how many survivors are at the tail section. (Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.)

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Lost better than Deadwood?...give me a fuckin break.

    by ripper t. jones

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 3:42 p.m. CST

    I'm with Ribbons

    by hajin

    Stop getting so hung up on the details and either enjoy it, or don't watch it. Either that or grab a pen and you try to put a screenplay together......... just one.....not don't bitch in the talkback just try, give it a week of your time....too long.....OK try a day......still too long, still too long..........oh that's right you can Bitch and moan and slag a program off, but you couldn't produce squat yourself......Everyone's the expert until they actually try to do it themselves as My Einstein said "Only two things are infinate, the universe and human stupidity......and I'm still not sure about the universe". Instead of spending the time in the talkback slagging me off, open Word and try writing the first act of the new program we'll all be watching next fall......

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Patience, people.

    by Talbain

    You should consider that one of the main parts which makes this show interesting to watch is the mystery surrounding the island. If they give the whole thing away in the first season, what do you expect to want to watch for after that point? Also, for those who said there was no plan or that the show could run for 5 years. Abrams stated publicly that he ahs an 8-year plan for the show, so there is certainly a larger arc here. Of course, this means that Walt will certainly be a bit older by the time they get rescued, so perhaps we'll have a time warp between seasons next time around. Who knows.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Moe Ron

    by Ribbons

    Consider it advice. And, by the way, what a cliched argument. People have disagreements in here all the time. Just because I put mine in the form of an imperative doesn't mean I think I have any more authority than the next guy. But, if you want me to re-phrase it: I think that people whining about the lack of "pay-offs," so far, in "Lost," are asshats who are demanding more out of a serialized television show than it can possibly give. Sort of like how you think the writers of "Lost" are asshats for not blowing their load in the first season and/or (possibly) not knowing where the show will end up. Better? Perish the thought that I would step on the toes of you tough-talking, "Lost"-hatin' TalkBack pioneers without apologizing for it first.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Futureguy is correct. They will never tell you what's going

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    But the problem is will most viewers be willing to put up with this? I have doubts. I'm betting that by the end of this season, almost half of the viewers will be gone, giving up in frustration.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 5:19 p.m. CST

    "We Want Information... Information... Information..."

    by ZombieSolutions

    "You won't get it!"

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 6:54 p.m. CST

    cromulent - Infocom

    by Sir Loin

    Dude...those Infocom hint books were awesome. You're right about using the inviso-marker on the screen, though--doesn't work! Hmmm...

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Lost fills the void that X-files left

    by sweep600

    This show is for people who love to be perpetually jerked off w/o err a finishing up lol. I realized that when someone piped up in here about the "canon". Its for the people who love a puzzle, but the solution is not attainable and when it is, its unsatisfying and you move on to the next flavor.GL

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Oh shit man this fucking rules

    by 007-11

    PURGATORY MY ASS

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Back with a fucking vengeance.

    by dr_dreadlocks

    Lost, we missed you, don't fucking leave EVER. "You..." Genius.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 9:09 p.m. CST

    Desmond!!!

    by jocutus

    When he was sitting thre talking to Jack I was Thinking " Damn, they're spending alot of time developing this Desmond guy. Too bad we wont be seeing him again. Oh, wait, who was that guy in the hole??" And there he is - Fucking Desmond, Brother. Maybe they Should've gotten Hulk Hogan to play him?

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 9:14 p.m. CST

    strong first episode.

    by JiggamanSpence

    picked up right where we left off, gave enough answers to not be frustrating, yet had a good cliffhanger, and some nice flashback scenes with Jack. Looking forward to episode 2.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 9:15 p.m. CST

    my post deleted?

    by sweep600

    why? I used no obcenities , thats kinda lame

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 9:25 p.m. CST

    worst.spoiler.ever.

    by smackfu

    Jesus, that invisotext spoiler was longer than the fucking screenplay for the episode. Recapitulation, man.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 9:27 p.m. CST

    What about the raft?

    by Lain Of The Net

    Yeah...I know..next week. I figure we got one more good season and then all sorts of impossible guest stars show up each week, somehow the plants acquire the ability to speak and then we get a wise cracking Robot. 10...9...8...7...6...5...4...3...2...1...cue the theme!!! Actually it is kind of fun.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 9:27 p.m. CST

    very good opening episode brothers

    by blackthought

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 9:35 p.m. CST

    this episode only made me surer of what's to come

    by Holodigm

    there's going to be a disease that spreads throughout the camp, killing off lots of people, including the tail-end survivors (i'm sure they'll join forces). by season's end they'll realize that the stuff desmond was injecting was the cure/antibodies to the virus (hence why he was living in a hatch marked quarantine and still alive). but unfortunately, it'll be too late, many die, leaving only (you guessed it) 23 survivors.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Great episode

    by Bob of the Shire

    Fuck the haters, this is one of the best shows on TV right now. The only question is if it can keep the shit up at this pace.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 9:39 p.m. CST

    to back up my prediction, i cite hurley's episode in season

    by Holodigm

    when rousseau explained the thing that 'killed them all' was a sickness. and something tells me walt knew. "we don't have to leave." "yes dad, we do."

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 9:41 p.m. CST

    108

    by Brother_Marquis

    Anyone catch

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 9:51 p.m. CST

    by conniebrean

    yeah i was wondering if anybody else noticed the 108. And with the 48 original survivors narrowing down to 42, Ethan doesn't count

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 9:57 p.m. CST

    (a) What the hell was up with that magnet

    by Itchy

    (b) Did anyone else get a queer vibe from "Desmond" and (c) goddamn it - I have no clue what is going on. I wonder if that computer had Brick Out loaded on a floppy ? PR#6 - lets find out.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Solid episode

    by NeoDurden

    Good stuff all around. I loved how they opened the show with revealing what was in the hatch. The flashbacks were great and Locke ruled as usual. The only thing I am concerned with is how they will explain the Scottish guy being in the hatch. Wierd. Can't wait for next week.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Good Point NeoDurden

    by Brother_Marquis

    Desmond...was his flashback with Jack 16 years ago or has he gone back and forth to the island? If the latter, why is he still hung up on 60s/70s music, vinyl records, and a Commodore 64 computer.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 10:12 p.m. CST

    THIS IS SO FUCKING THE TEMPEST!!!!!

    by Xammas

    The guy in the hatch is Pospero, the creature Ariel, and the french bitch is Sycorax. The others are Caliban. DUH!!! Go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tempest_(play) or watch Forbidden Planet.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 10:15 p.m. CST

    forbidden planet

    by conniebrean

    forbidden planet doesn't resemble Lost at all, but it does kick ass.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 10:16 p.m. CST

    "others" meaning the guys who took walt

    by Xammas

    so there...

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Geez, uncultured...

    by Xammas

    forbidden planet was a scifi update of Tempest. And of course it wont cause we arent even through the first act yet.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Emoticon

    by SickPuppy

    Did you notice the screen had the emoticon for angry? >:| What's up with that?

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 10:38 p.m. CST

    OK, I'm way too tired, and slightly too drunk to read all yo

    by zer0cool2k2

    ...but quit yer bitchin'. That was an awesome season premiere. We're all sucked right back in and can't wait to see what happens next. you know it's true.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 10:40 p.m. CST

    conniebrean

    by Holodigm

    ethan wasn't on the plane but he was counted as part of the group. people would have noticed an extra person popping up out of nowhere unless he was there from pretty much the beginning, meaning there were actually 47 plane survivors, in which case 47 - drowned girl - marshal - scott - boone - arzt = 42.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 10:59 p.m. CST

    by foreignerbelt

    I dont think they had emoticons back when that computer was being used. thats just the command prompt I used to get right before I typed in BRUN NIGHTCRAWLER or BRUN SPYHUNTER or BRUN WAVY NAVY. I miss my apple//e. although that thing might have been older. good job with the 108 for whoever figured that out. in hindsight that should have been obvious but I sure as hell didn't figure it out. and yes Desmond was uncomfortably close to Jack when they were talking on the stairs of the stadium (although I doubt that has anything to do with the plot). that was a good ep. and I think its safe to say that the facility was already set up with that stuff when Desmond escaped into it. so I dont think the 70's stuff is his but who fucking knows

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 11 p.m. CST

    the VIALS

    by believe_it

    desmond's medical vials had the numbers printed on the tops of their labels. numbers are bad. numbers are bad. believe it.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 11:01 p.m. CST

    bad numbers

    by smackfu

    Bad numbers can only be defeated by good numbers. 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, etc.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Holodigm

    by conniebrean

    But if Ethan wasn't on the plane, why would he factor into the numbers? If there were really only 47 survivors, why would the numbers read 48?

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Xammas

    by conniebrean

    You said Lost was obviously a modern update of the tempest, "DUH!" Then you say of course it doesn't resemble it because we aren't through the first act. Pick a position and go with it man. Either it resembles it or it doesn't.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 11:40 p.m. CST

    FutureGuy has his finger on the pulse of LOST

    by slone13

    It's almost as if FutureGuy used to work for ABC/Abrams, got fired, is pissed off and is now getting back at them by anonymously posting a nearly dead on, one-paragraph 'outline' of the first 5 season arc of LOST. And on a very publicly viewed messagee board within the industry. Trust me on this one. There are going to be some pretty angry people tomorrow morning in the ABC/Abrams camp once somone reads that post... On a somewhat related note, there can be little doubt by now that, as numerous people on this site have mentioned already, the series continues to borrow liberally from themes/characters found in The Tempest as well.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 11:55 p.m. CST

    I got it ** Spoilers maybe...

    by da-giez

    Everyone in this group seems to have gotten something for a wish, or prayer, or something that hasn't bee revealed yet. Well evil ALWAYS reveals itself first... I think Desmond may be the DEVIL, While Walt may be GOD...... this is a battle of right & wrong and human nature... taking place at an old military abandonded SILO site...

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 12:03 a.m. CST

    4+8+15+16+23+42=108...

    by gusteroid

    108 was on the painting on the wall that Jack saw in the tunnel...

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Yeah we know

    by da-giez

    yeah we know

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 12:10 a.m. CST

    are Jack and Desmond really BROTHERs?

    by gusteroid

    which wouldn't explain everything, but would certainly bring up more questions. P.S.- didn't read back far enough. Sorry for repeating the 108 thing. More theories, please!!!

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 12:10 a.m. CST

    Agreed Killah_Mate: THIS should have been last season's fina

    by HappyHamster

    Also agree this fills X-files' void...badly (though it didn't start that way). The first season, quality-wise, jumped from X-files season 1 quality to X-files season 7 quality, only it did it in one year. Still, this new episode isn't half bad. Not great, but not bad either. OK, that's a hesitant thumbs up. :)

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Not Brothers

    by da-giez

    Just a term as he seeemed Aussie I think... But.. Definately up to something... I think he is Lucifer.... we'll see.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Awesome opening

    by Electric_Monk

    So, Desmond is living in the some sort of Bio Dome. Interesting. Great opening, by the way. What was Walt whispering? Did the boy grow over the summer break? Will there be people here who will say it sucked and revealed nothing? Well, it wouldn't AICN.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 12:27 a.m. CST

    The thing I don't get...

    by Doran

    He's listening to the Mamas and the Papas on vinyl. He has an old computer. But he has one of those brand new Whirlpool washers (like 6 months of availability?) and a new blender. Whaaaaa?

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 12:33 a.m. CST

    good god

    by blackthought

    can't we just fast forward till next wednesday...need more LOST...now.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 1:04 a.m. CST

    Best Opening Ever

    by jagger

    The opening scene sent chills down my spine. Who is that weird foreign guy? More questions, More weirdness more fucking brilliance. Fuck the naysayers. Who gives a shit if the show remains strong throughout its entire run. Its good now...Fucking enjoy it. There is so much shit on tv, too much reality bullshit. I am happy to see that writers are actually getting jobs again.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 1:12 a.m. CST

    I loved that opening

    by GiftedInThePants

    I thought it was a flashback. Then I saw him go into gun storage. Then....it pans out of the hatch. OWNAGE. Fuck off naysayers. Go watch Buffy. Oh wait, it's canceled :D. Rightfully so.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 1:19 a.m. CST

    It's a prisoner that the gvt. locked away...

    by Mr. Waturi

    I actually guessed this last season, turns out I might have been right. The guy is some freak who has special powers. The numbers are his prisoner number. They locked him on the island for safekeeping, but he's been using his powers to call for help. My guess is the reactor is supposed to block his powers somehow.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Somebody's been reading Stephen King, folks.

    by Gideon Moskowitz

    Check it out... Dark Tower Book 5 : "The Wolves of Calla". A group of humanoid robots attacks a rural village every few years to steal children. The children are then "drained" of precious "fluids", which serve to pump up the psychic powers of the Breakers, agents of the Crimson King, in their endeavor to destroy the Beams of Order that support the Multiverse.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Something to chew on...

    by HoichiTheEarless

    If you play the clip of Walt in reverse, it says something to the effect of "Press the button. The button's bad".

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Walt was saying

    by Purgatori

    Bitch you killed my dog. But seriously I don't know how I feel about this episode. And I sure as hell was having a hard time with Matthew Fox's Wedding Singer wig. But anyway.. Maybe the theories are right. Maybe Desmond does have powers like Walt and that is why he's on the island (along with Walt.) Maybe the government (or someone) somehow downed that plane so Walt would be there, easily taken. Desmond did say he was going on a tour of the world. They may have gotten him the same way. Maybe he granted Jack his wish to have her walking. It's all connected. I want to know what he was shooting up with though. Okay I think I just realized this was a pretty awesome episode.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 1:36 a.m. CST

    By the way

    by Purgatori

    On the bottles he's injecting the prescription number or patient number are the numbers that on the hatch.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 1:36 a.m. CST

    There's no way any of this will ammount to something that sa

    by sirfunksalot

    unless the nanobot swarm monster fights a fucking hydra and a legion of jet fighters ... in space. That's the only way I won't have blue balls over this shit.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 1:54 a.m. CST

    The buttons bad

    by HoichiTheEarless

    http://www.foxmod.com/lost/lost.html This isn't a long URL, so hopefully it doesn't stretch out the screen. My apologies if it does...

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 2:08 a.m. CST

    I'm guessing

    by Purgatori

    this is obviously in reference to the prompt and the old computer? Wonder if it starts up the bio dome or calls the bad guys.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 2:38 a.m. CST

    LOST REALLY SUCKS!!

    by michaeliceberg

    LOST: THEE most overrated tv show on tv. I mean, I really gave it a chance. I watched half of last years eps (when, in actuality, the LOST 1 hour recap special is all I needed). I am half way through the new ep. Man, no edge. The dialogue amazingly paint by numbers.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 2:44 a.m. CST

    Fuck Patience!

    by michaeliceberg

    Are you telling me I have to wait 8 fucking seasons for some stupid mystery to reveal itself, when I can watch a great movie like 2001 or Sixth Sense and get a much better mystery in 2-3 hours? You droids who like this show are simple minded fucks who can't think and who still feel finger painting is a great art form. Lost really sucks.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 3:08 a.m. CST

    Headscratcher

    by jagger

    I am really having trouble sleeping, I can't quite put the pieces together. It doesn't compute...I am not a Midwesterner nor did I vote for Bush. Why do I like this show, then? This will keep me up all night. Oh well, I guess I'll watch The Sixth Sense or 2001, while I drink wine, scratch my chin and admire my various finger paintings

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 3:30 a.m. CST

    Well, Mystic:)

    by michaeliceberg

    Let's change the tradition then: Lost is simply not my cup of tea. Didn't mean to offend anyone. Have a nice day:)

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 3:33 a.m. CST

    AW FUCK IT!

    by michaeliceberg

    TAKE IT UP THE ASS WEASEL! UMPH. UMPH. AAAAAAAH. SQUEAL WEASLEL BITCH! SHIT ALL OVER ME! SHIT ALL OVER THIS GOD DAMN WRETCHED LOST SHOW! AAAAH. AAAAAAAh. Terry O' Quin's bald head.....aaaaaahhhhh! JIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIZZZZZZZZZZZZ. AHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 3:53 a.m. CST

    So What?

    by michaeliceberg

    "Anyone else pick up Desomond's last words in the flashback 'See you in another life', could be a red herring of course, but he did see him again, are they in another life?" Big deal. This is contrived comic booky bs spiritual nonsense.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 4:02 a.m. CST

    LOST better than DEADWOOD? X-FILES better than LOST!!?

    by Darth Bono Jr.

    "Are you trying to say that THE PACIFIC OCEAN is better than the ATLANTIC OCEAN!!?" Nobody will get that, but it makes me happy.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 4:03 a.m. CST

    Sure it wasn't "see you in another lap"?

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    I seriously thought I heard that (runner's pun). Anybody want to bet Desmond is in everybody's flashback this year like Sawyer was? Maybe those two are the connection.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 4:08 a.m. CST

    kicked major ass... and who knows what Walt was whispering?

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    probably no one...

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 4:11 a.m. CST

    Agent ALonzo

    by michaeliceberg

    Thanks for the compliment! www.lostsucks.com

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 4:53 a.m. CST

    I thought that

    by The Selecter

    Rover would be hiding in the hatch, ready to suffocate anybody who ventured down there. Ooops, wrong show. Lost is enjoyable in this climate of mediocre TV, but hard to get worked up to the point where you'll eventually be disappointed by the Big Reveal, whatever that may turn out to be.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 5:08 a.m. CST

    come on

    by oneoftheothers

    I can't believe this. The premiere of Lost did exactly what we all wanted it to--it revealed what was down the fucking hatch. I can't believe that ANYONE saw that opening 3 seconds and knew exactly what was going on; we all thought it was a flashback. And the music was brilliant. Now what I want to know, is, WHO ON THE FLIGHT WAS IN ON THIS??? You know some of the passengers were meant to be on that flight. And have been aware of EVERYTHING going on. Who are the conspirators?? But for goodness' sake, stop saying this show sucks! It is pretty damn brilliant.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 5:50 a.m. CST

    More Tempest, Whatcha gonna do brother?

    by Xammas

    The kicker for me on this is that Prospero (assuie or scott on island) and Antonio (jack)are brothers. Tony conspired against (in Lost, he might have subconciencly) Propsero to remove him from his birth rite (Duke of Milan) So there is more to this story. Also, one of the main themes in the Tempest is that much of the world is an illusion made up by the mind. i.e. Locks legs, Walts powers, the wooden plane... so on. So this could all be in someones mind or the whole matrix mind fuck thing. Also, Prospero is the main character in the play and his brother the antaganist. That means Jack is the bad guy. Makes you think...

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 5:56 a.m. CST

    This Is A Dumb Question

    by tonagan

    Was "Quarantine" on the inside or the outside of the hatch?

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 6:14 a.m. CST

    Anyone pointed out the religious significance of 108?

    by Huffy_Henry

    Important number for Buddhists, Hindus, etc. (And, I'm told, the number of beads in a Catholic rosary.)

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 6:27 a.m. CST

    Great episode

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    Loved the opening sequence. Desmond appears to be set up to watch over alot of stuff on the island. It looks like the mirror system in the tunnel can be changed to look down different tunnels. Is there more than one hatch? Why does he use an elaborate system of mirrors in the first place? Everything looks like its from the 70's or early 80's and they had closed circuit TV back then. Why mirrors? What's the computer hooked into? It's not a C-64 as someone said. I still have one. Looks more like an early Apple or a Tandy. Who set Desmond up in the first place? What did he shoot himself up with? An anti-whispers agent? How did Desmond go from training for a race to living in a underground 70's time-capsule? If this island is the site of a biological government experiment gone wrong and Desmond is "guarding" it, why is he guarding it from underground? Quarantine was written on the inside of the hatch. The hatch doesn't open from the outside. It's like he's set up to keep the tunnels safe from the island. He isn't protecting the rest of the world from any contagion on the island. And who continues to supply him? He's got fresh fruit! If the island is quarantined he certainly isn't getting it from the surface. Or is he? Maybe he goes up after he gets an arm full of RX-1. But that would mean that there is another hatch. He couldn't use the hatch we know of because after he leaves how would he get back in? Maybe he is supplied by a small sub that docks in an underwater cave that connects to the tunnel system. Well that's enough random thoughts, its obvious that Desmond's 70's pad has been there for a long time. He's not the first guy to be posted there by whoever or whatever government that built the hatch and the tunnels. So now the smart money is on "government conspiracy" as the big island secret. By the way, was Ethan counted among the original 48 survivors or not? I don't think the show says one way or the other. When they counted survivors did Claire count as two? It kind of mucks up the whole 48/42 survivor count. Damn its 6:10 am. Time to see if Rita is going to pick up Katrina's spare and screw up the rest of the Gulf Coast. I can't go back to Lufkin, TX so I guess if I leave I'm heading north. This shit's getting old.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 6:35 a.m. CST

    Check out www.oceanicairlines.com

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    WTF? "7 Rows"?

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 7:01 a.m. CST

    The Super Psychic theory

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    In a flashback,Desmond meets Jack. Jack tells Desmond that he couldn't fix his patient. Desmond insistently says, "But what if you did?". Jack says, "It would be a miracle.". "You don't beleive in miracles." Desmond says and leaves. Jack goes back to the patient and tells her she'll never walk again. But no! She can wiggle her toes! It's a miracle! Or did Desmond do it? Just like Walt. Of course if Desmond is a badass psychic, he doesn't need a gun to whip Jack's ass and he should already know that he met Jack before. Hey!! Do you wanna keep pesky nanites outta your cool 70's crib? Put a big magnet at the entrance! It's better than a bug-zapper!

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 7:08 a.m. CST

    7 ROWS??

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    Wasn't www.oceanicairlines.com a fake airline website before? I seem to remember a website that looked like an airline site that was set up for the show. I've never seen "7 ROWS" before. Weird.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Walt's Whispering

    by MonkeyHO

    Played backwards...Push the button, no button is bad... Thanks to Philly's Preston and Steve on MMR 93.3!! You guys rock!

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 7:35 a.m. CST

    "It's very cosmopolitan. You

    by SpyGuy

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 7:37 a.m. CST

    "It's very cosmopolitan. You'll never know who you'

    by SpyGuy

    I don't know about you, but I was expecting Jack to pass through a pair of double doors labeled "WAY OUT" in large block letters...Be seeing you!

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 7:38 a.m. CST

    I almost forgot.

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    What the hell does "Eeeee-wah eeeee-wah eeeee-wah..." mean? I haven't heard anything like that on the show. And I've watched the season one DVD set. Finished it Sunday. So what gives Herc? That just makes me think of an ambulance in some foreign flick, maybe running down a back alley in Paris.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 7:47 a.m. CST

    HoichiTheEarless - Thanks for the link to Walt's jibberish,

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    http://www.foxmod.com/lost/lost.html "Press the button. No button's bad."

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 7:49 a.m. CST

    QUARANTINE

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    It looks like the word was marked on the INSIDE of the hatch door. It is written obviously right below the hatch window -- so this word would have stood out had it been marked on the outside of the hatch. This suggests: Desmond isn't the one who is under quaratine. It is the entire island itself, and whoever is unfortunate to be on it, who is under quarantine. And in case you don't remember exactly, here's the dictionary definition of the word: "The isolation of a person or animal who has a disease (or is suspected of having a disease) in order to prevent further spread of the disease." Evidence suggesting this that the entire island is under quarantine: 1) Danielle spoke of a disease that killed her companions. 2) Danielle and Ethan both look(ed) deranged. Each was on the island for several years. 3) Desmond shot himself up with something, perhaps the equivalent of anti-radiation meds to ward off the effects of whatever afflicts a person who is trapped on the island. ... Did anybody here notice the emblem on the upper-right of Desmond's jumpsuit? You only catch a shaded glimpse of it for a split second. It looks like an 8-sided, circular polygon, with more lines inside it. What could its significance be?

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Quarantine was on the inside

    by ChorleyFM

    That means that the outside was quarantined, otherwise it is pointless having that sign. Also I expect to have a large number of Flashbacks this year that have the principle cast meeting either Desmond or other "others" if he is indeed an other.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 8:03 a.m. CST

    The 8-sided symbol: It's also on the door of Desmond's m

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    I just checked. You can see it really clearly on the red-colored door. It is an 8-sided polygon, with lines going inward. In the center of this emblem, it looks like... the Earth? With an S-shape over it? What does it look like to the rest of you? Could this tie in with the theory that this is a military experiment that has something to do with the Earth's natural energy/gravitional fields?

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Ley lines

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ley_lines

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Is the guy who died in the car accident related to Shannon?

    by somethingreal81

    The doctor said his name was Aaron Rutherford, which is also Shannon's last name. Another connection?

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 8:27 a.m. CST

    STAR*Lost?

    by -Halfscan-

    While I see the similarities alot of people are drawing to "The Tempest"... I couldn't help but feel I had seen alot of last nights episode before. Back in the 70's there was an short lived sci-fi series called "The Starlost", where a small community of people find a hatch, and after finally getting through it, find they are not actually on Earth, but in one of several pods on a giant Ark in space.. I got that same vibe last night as the premiere was showing. -Half

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 8:42 a.m. CST

    THE NUMBER AT 42 NOW?

    by YouIgnorantGeeks

    What if the 48 included the guy who died in the propeller and the pilot (maybe the count was made before propellor guy died, and Jack counted the pilot when he told the pilot at least 48) Then that would make SURVIVORS at 42 now. Claires baby isn't a survivor, he is island born. I am probably totally wrong and missing something with the counting. Maybe it is known the propellor guy wasn't counted, or the pilot (Did they say survivors on the beach? I dont remember) but thats just something I was thinking about. I never saw lost as it was on during smallville, and when I heard it was coming on DVD I was happy because I always wanted to see it. I figured I can watch all the seasons on dvd.. then smallville moved to thursday!!! oh joy (Now I can't watch survivor... but thats a show that has no backstory, so if smallville ends this year,or next year, I can easily go into the next season of survivor following) Last night was great. The one thing that worries me is the MONSTER sounds like a machine, thats what I thought when I saw the last episode. At first it sounded like a raptor, that hooting noise it made, but now it sounds like a machine, and that would suck (I was thinking the others built it or something) I would HATE HATE HATE if its just a machine. But then again the smoke wasn't machine smoke.. that was like ghostly smoke.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 8:50 a.m. CST

    I've Been Busting Pretty Hard On This Show, But I Thought La

    by ZombieSolutions

    FINALLY it's getting somewhere. i hope it transitions into a totally bizarre / paranoid late 60s-70s sci-fi freak out show now. it looks like it might. also: Patrick McGoohan needs to make some sort of guest appearance. i don't care who he plays or what, he needs to be in it. perhaps as the new number 2?

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Reading Too Much Into The Show

    by ZombieSolutions

    look, seriously, i'm willing to give the show a chance now seeing as how it's finally bothering to get interesting, but you folks are reading WAY too much into the significance of the "symbols". about 99% is willful misdirection. (then again, i suppose that's why the fanbase loves it so much -- it's about being tricked and getting your mind all caught up in something that is ultimately not all that deep.) any fans of this show really owe it to themselves to see the ultimate paranoid sci-fiish freakout show of all times -- THE PRISONER

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 8:58 a.m. CST

    What a sad state of viewers you all are....

    by StubePT

    Bitching and complaining because a weekly serial won't pay off its mysteries to you? If you want something resolved in 90 minutes, watch a fucking movie. Or watch CSI. They figure out every case in 60 minutes less or your money back. This show is about revealing a little bit at a time. That's all you're going to get and that's all you should expect. Some of you are probably the same people who adore X-Files. How long did it take them to reveal the alien invasion arc completely? Seems to me you've got two options: 1. Sit back, watch the show and enjoy it for what it is, or 2. Don't watch it. What a waste of time your life must be if you watch a show you clearly don't like for the sole purpose or bitching about it in a TalkBack. Get over it and get a fucking life.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 9:03 a.m. CST

    EMMY wise, Lost will lose next year...

    by drakeavenue

    to SIX FEET UNDER.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 9:06 a.m. CST

    to six feet under?

    by YouIgnorantGeeks

    Never watched that show, doesn't interest me... but is that even eligible for Next years emmy? I mean its already ended...

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 9:10 a.m. CST

    A whole lot of nothing going on... I was disappointed.

    by Mr. Profit

    I thought last night was interesting. I did not like it or hate it. I'm just still waiting for something to happen. I also feel it was a bad season premiere. The episode would have been a good season finale though. Last season, with Walt getting kidnapped by these mystery people, the French Woman who hides on the island, the monster, Ethan who kidnapped Claire and she came back with no memory and then got killed, the numbers, the show is in danger of going off the deep end and not explaining things through. AKA "Rambaldi-itis". I think that the man in the hatch removes any sort of supernatural element from the show. And with that, goes some of my interest. I am still giving the show a chance after all the cheap shots it's given me because it's still well made and oftentimes great television. But, I originally tuned into the show because the trailer had a monster on a mystery island. With things being more normal with other people being the protagonists, it just makes it into another sci-fi show. How Jack met the Desmond dude from before was just odd. And it shows that this show is going to go in a completely new direction when the hatch mystery is fully fleshed out. It could be as great as the best episode of Alias ever (The post Super bowl one) or the show could become an X-Files/Danger Island hybrid where it won't be long before viewers tune it out completely and start watching something else. And being a devoted JJ Abram fan, I know what it's like to tune in hoping it'll get better only to get smacked in the face. The episode was also a bit predictable. I avoided every spoiler I could avoid before watching, but when Jack met Desmond at the stadium I immediately knew he was the guy in the hatch. And I knew that the Desmond reveal was going to be the last shot before it faded to black and said "Lost". I was disappointed that I knew their formula so good. So the reveal was nothing major to me. The show has a lot of explaining to do before it can move on. I don't like to wait too long for at least some answers. Yeah I know if everything is revealed then there would be no show. But there is a whole lot more to explore. And if viewers get upset with the show's pace and ratings start to go down, I fear the writers are going to pull a JJ and have all the major plot points covered in one sloppy episode with fake zombies on the island attacking the castaways and a big red ball hovering over the island. Learn from the irreversible damage done to Alias people. Get your writing tighter and together.... Work on the interaction and progression of the storylines on the island. And man, was it me or did some of the actors seem different? Kate seemed like she took acting classes over the summer. Shannon seemed pissed off, like she was mad at someone behind the scenes, and Locke seemed nicer. I did not get the creepy vibe from him anymore. I know that "Normal is the Watchword" is my appointment viewing next Wednesday at 9. I will be Tivoing Lost. At least Veronica Mars has not let me down yet. Those writers have a better sense of unfolding a mystery and story pacing. I was unsatisfied with Lost. But I am loyal, I will stick around. But if it takes 9 episodes to explain Desmond, then I may just leave it alone altogether.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 9:11 a.m. CST

    HOGAN AS DESMOND

    by zombieslayer

    "See you in the next life, brother, BROTHER!" But seriously- the akira theory really does explain a lot of it pretty well...

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 9:12 a.m. CST

    I'd said before along with some others

    by Purgatori

    that they would be infected by the Nanobytes (sp?). That could be what those shots are for, or to keep his abilities at bay. If a damn head blows up later on we'll know that Cronenberg should be suing. I didn't even notice the symbol. The ley line thing is a great theory. It would lead back to the psychic thing as well as how all these people are connected. Damn Tivo screwed up my recording so I cant' go back and watch any but the last half hour. I'll have to see if I can check out that badge.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Buffy fans hate Lost

    by Slider9000

    That's not true. I'm a Buffy fan, and I love Lost. It's just analcunts who hate Lost.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Mystical VS Scientific

    by The Alienist

    I read an interview with Lindelof where he stated there is nothing magical or mystic about what is going on; everything is based in science. I guess that could be true, the supernatural is really only the natural we're not advanced enough to explain. But I'm hard pressed to think of any way numbers, when made physical, can be cursed. Or how a group of people who have no idea about each other pre-island could find themselves stranded together for a purpose. Coincidence is not science, its just bad writing. For a lot of the weird stuff, I can see para-scientific answers, nanorobots or a sensient microscopic lifeform/disease strain which might explain the monster, the whispers, the animated dead bodies. But for some of the stuff I'm betting we'll just have to take on faith as there never will be an explanation.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 9:18 a.m. CST

    BUFFY BEST SHOW OF ALL TIME!!!!!!!!!!

    by YouIgnorantGeeks

    and while I didn't watch it until the dvd came out I LOVE LOST. LOVE LOVE LOVE IT. So whoever said buffy fans don't like lost is nuts. I think I love lost for the same reasons I love buffy. Plus... hey.. David Fury! Any Angel fans watch Bones and notice that David Boreanaz character is saying things Angel would say...

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 9:22 a.m. CST

    don't diss buffy.

    by YouIgnorantGeeks

    I am coming on here saying LOST kicks ass... and your all dissing my favorite show? I am a 27 year old Customs Broker with a girlfriend and lots of friends... and yet according to you all that means therefore I am not a buffy fan... what an ignorant comment (that it is just for little girls and 26th year old men living in there parents basement) I know people of all types who love that show. That show kicked ass, best written show ever. Period. I also think those LOST haters are idiots too. Oh.. BUFFY wasn't cancelled. I don't call a show on for 7 years cancelled... they told the story, it was done. And it will be back in some form. You are all jealous you can't get with Sarah Michelle.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Notice The BUFFY-Esque Dialogue In Last Nights Show?

    by ZombieSolutions

    lots of quickfire sarcasm/wit from the Losties last night -- basically a style more or less introduced to TV by BUFFY/ANGEL. come to think of it, Gilmore Girls uses the BUFFY style too (only not as well). hmm... *cough* seminal work of genius *cough* influence a generation *cough*.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 9:31 a.m. CST

    XFiles, Buffy, Lame

    by MinasTirithII

    Please move along pea brains. Go find a buffy board. Lost kicks collective ass. So hush.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Timeline?

    by Deandome

    Computer/turntable...circa 1982-5. Music...early '70s. Desmond meets Jack...late '80s. Why wouldn't he bring a laptop or something....that would be more powerful than all the mainframes in the dome? He didn't stumble in there...he's clearly doing a job. Didn't notice the fruit...curious!! They've covered most of the area around the hatch/compound...they woulda seen a garden. There must be another enterance....he can't go in/out the main chute cuz the ladder's busted (and the hatch was clearly covered w/stuff when they found it, indicating it's been shut a LONG time. And I wonder if Jack's wife got her miracle at the same time Locke lost his ability to walk?

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Buffy did have series long secrets

    by YouIgnorantGeeks

    What is happening with faith from seasons 3-7. Buffy dying in season 5 and coming back in 6. Angel dying in season 2 to come back in 3. Spike getting a soul in season 6 fleshed out more in season 7... The main evil from season 7 introduced in season 3. Willows gradual witch progression through the seasons. COME ON! Granted, most of the season secrets were brought together at the end of the season. But some things lasted throughout. And Angel did it maybe even more so. BUT THATS WHY THEY WERE GREAT. Smallville deos it too... hell every show has cliffhangers, And so lost has secrets... thats why its so good. Hell frigging Growing Pains ended a season with a big "whats going to happen" When mike proposed to the babysitter chick, and we had to wait till the new season for her answer. That always happens.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Mystical VS Scientific - redux

    by Itchy

    If there is nothing mystical about what is going on, explain Locke's ability to walk. Is Desmond some kind of super healer ? Did he heal Jack's wife ? Explain Locke and Kate's conversation about the column of black smoke that tried to pull him down the hole. Explain the Polar Bear from the comic book appearing ? Or Walt's apparent psychic powers ? There certainly seems to be something bizzare happening there. All in all, as I think about it, I think that may be the best episode yet. I totally agree, though - that should have been the last episode of last year. And for the computer geeks, it was clearly an Apple ][+ chassis, but with the Enter key relabeled "Execute". The prompt was not Apple ][ however, as the ][ had a prompt that looked "]:" with a blinking cursor, not ">:" ... actually - my memory is a little foggy. Were original integer based Apple ][s using a ">:" prompt ?

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 9:43 a.m. CST

    "not some shitty show for teens girls and lonely man-boys."

    by ZombieSolutions

    riiight, because STAR TREK and XFILES were shows for sexy super-hot model chicks and the brawny, sexually viral men who love them. so, hows the study of Klingon coming along? are you bilingual yet? _____ in addition -- ever hear the one about glass houses and throwing stones? you might want to consider heeding the warnings there. ouch.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Uh... it DID influence a generation

    by YouIgnorantGeeks

    Ask the writers of other shows... How many years has it been on almost every magazines top 10 list... god damn you Buffy haters ARE SO IGNORANT! Did you ever watch a single show? And David Fury... the co-exective Producer and arguably best writer on Lost (The one nominated for the emmy) was one of Buffys MOST POPULAR WRITERS. HE basically got his big start on Buffy. He wrote a combined 30+ episodes of Angel/Buffy. Just him coming from that show INFLUENCES LOST. I mean that shows writing, theme, everything was so frigging infuential. And who is saying Star Trek didn't influence a generation? IT WAS A DIFFERENT GENERATION, and Xfiles did too. WHY CAN'T ALL THREE HAVE!!!! WHY DO YOU GOT TO HATE!!!! I HATE STAR TREK, BUT AINT SAYING IT SUCKS ON THIS BOARD!!!! BUFFY RULES, LOST RULES!!!! THEY BOTH RULE. BUFFY, XFILES, AND STAR TREK WERE ALL INFLUENTIAL, AND BASED ON THIS YEARS CROP OF SHOWS LOST IS INFLUENTIAL TOO. STOP HATING.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Okay...

    by TempusFugitive

    Who had this morning in the "this TB devolves into a pro/anti Buffy spew"? Anyone? I mean really. Oh, and ZombieSolutions, while I have disagreed with many of your opinions on different shows recently, an appearance by Patrick McGoohan would trump all. Brilliant.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 9:49 a.m. CST

    108 = number of beads

    by Itchy

    in a Buddhist Rosary or a Hindu Mala - http://www.beadshows.com/ibs/articles/prayer.html

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Lets See Where LOST Goes From Here (Is That Ricardo Montelbon?

    by ZombieSolutions

    so you have your strong season opener... will it keep up? i like the paranoid scifi bunker angle. it could get cool if they start tweaking convetnions and trying to freak people out / turn the genre on it's head. OR will it be 20 episodes or so of misdirection and false starts capped off by an unsatisfying season finale? the mind reels...

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Lost's "secretd

    by joeydoo

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Oh...

    by TempusFugitive

    And for the record, anyone who uses "ur" instead of "you're" while stating an opinion, gets said opinion IMMEDIATELY discarded as the ramblings of a fucking dimwit.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Regarding Itchy's post..."mytical vs. scientific"

    by Brother_Marquis

    Read Crichton's 'PREY'. Once you read that and also keep in mind that producers state that everything on the show can be explained scientifically, you may have your answer. The technology in that book (nano technology) could explain the 'miracles', the black smoke, etc. My vote for the bears is that they were already on the plane. Don't know about Walt yet though...juries still out.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 9:53 a.m. CST

    ..."ur" <> "your" either, for the record.

    by TempusFugitive

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 10:01 a.m. CST

    the answer?

    by Mazinga

    Ok here is my theory. Everyone on this island is lost in some way. They all perceive things that they fear or are dealing with. Could they really not be on an island at all but in some mental ward or treatment facility receiving some kind of drug induced theropy? they all are hypnotized in a group setting and are working out their fears and problems with the scenario of a deserted island suggested by a shrink. Lock is the only one who seems to be progressing with the treatment and is thus not afraid or has dealt with his problems.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Show NOTHING like the movie.

    by YouIgnorantGeeks

    "i have never seen one episode of buffy don&#39;t care too its based on a crap movie which i saw and i dont want to waste my time on a tv show based on it." Wow... just... wow.... that is the most idiotic thing I ever heard. A movie which was hardly based on the original Joss Whedon script at all is bad... therefore a show directly from Whedon with no changes is bad. And you make these comments about a show YOU NEVER SEEN!?!?!!!?!?!?! Joss wanted to do the show because the movie studio and everyone involved totally changed his original script and idea into the crap that you saw in theaters. Sorry, like it or not Buffy AT LEAST if nothing else INFLUENCED LOST. It influenced lots of other shows too.. and yes twilight zone influenced everything after it (well.. probably not everything..) but in my opinion (and I love twilight zones and the marathons) Buffy is a better show. But... i am simply saying just because one is great and influential doesnt mean the other isnt. To say buffy wasn&#39;t influential makes you sound stupid.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Is this true?

    by Mr. Profit

    That there is some book written by some author by the name of Rousseau or something, about these numbers that somehow equal the probability you would ever have of running into your identical twin in the world. Like supposedly we all have an exact twin and chances are we ever meet them and what would happen if we did, point to some weird numbers. And they are the same numbers from the show. This would make some sort of sense if true.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Brother_Marquis -

    by Itchy

    I suppose that&#39;s one way to look at it - maybe Desmonds a psychic whose powers were unleashed by "science". Or perhaps they are all in some psych ward involved in some group hypnotic experiment. In either case, technically "science" is the cause. The magnet near the doorway to protect from nanites is a pretty interesting theroy, I must admit. I&#39;m just wondering what kind of science would allow me to get in Claire&#39;s pants.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 10:10 a.m. CST

    More English 101 for ghostinthemch

    by FrodosBlueBalls

    It&#39;s CARES not care&#39;s you dumbass.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Yeah, yeah, yeah

    by TempusFugitive

    THAT must be why you went full bore into the "Buffy fans" as "sad man-boys" routine. Because you don&#39;t like the what&#39;s better routine. Whatever. I enjoy Lost, and I&#39;ve never watched an episode of Buffy before. (Not because of some bizarre hatred of it, Whedon, the movie or whatever... just not my cup of tea.)

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Lost Flashbacks

    by Hobbs

    Based on what we saw last night, it&#39;s possible that the flashbacks have not been accurate. That is, we&#39;re seeing how the characters remember their past, but something or someone on the island may be messing with their minds. Was Locke really in a wheelchair? Was Jack&#39;s patient/wife healed miraculously or is that just how he&#39;s now recalling it? Did Hurley actually use those numbers to win the lottery? Creatively it&#39;s a big risk to betray the audience&#39;s trust like that, but it would certainly make for an interesting turn in the story.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 10:27 a.m. CST

    as i said before

    by Mazinga

    Think out of the box. Sometimes reality is not what it seems. The name of the show is LOST, sooo-Everyone on this island is lost in some way metaphorically. They all perceive things that they fear or are dealing with. Could they really not be on an island at all but in some mental ward or treatment facility receiving some kind of drug induced theropy? they all are hypnotized in a group setting and are working out their fears and problems with the scenario of a deserted island suggested by a shrink. Lock is the only one who seems to be progressing with the treatment and is thus not afraid or has dealt with his problems. The flashbacks are them dealing with their life issues and coming to terms with their demons.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 10:28 a.m. CST

    "why can&#39;t we all get along?"

    by TempusFugitive

    Because you&#39;re (sorry "ur") acting like a jackass? Anyway... I can understand why Lost might not work for some people. The fact that there isn&#39;t closure to open questions, or that answers just raise bigger questions, isn&#39;t going to be what some people want to watch every week. As I said, I had/have no interest in the Buffy/Angel shows, but enough people loved tham that the creators must have been doing something to successfully appeal to a large audience. Hell, I loved Firefly, so they&#39;re capable of appealing to me as well. But the biggest part of Lost that I enjoy is that they have me completely puzzled. I LIKE not being able to guess what&#39;s going to happen next. Don&#39;t get me wrong, if they fizzle out like X-files did, I&#39;ll be disappointed. The twits that sit there and shout "Lost Sux!" are just as dimwitted as the ones who say "Buffy sux!" or "Enterprise sux!".... wait, no... Enterprise DID kinda suck. ;)

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Interesting note

    by Hobbs

    I don&#39;t claim that this means anything at all but according to IMDB the the actor who plays Desmond - Henry Ian Cusick - has also played Jesus Christ and appears a yet to be released film entitled &#39;Zombie Island.&#39; Funny.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Mazinga

    by TempusFugitive

    I&#39;ve seen your theory as a possibility too. Or perhaps they&#39;re all manefestations of ONE mental patient... a la Identity.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje

    by Darth Busey

    I thought he was playing "Desmond", the dude in the hatch? WTF???? Who is he going to be playing?

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Another thing on Desmond

    by Hobbs

    Don&#39;t get excited about getting answers next week. The second episode is entitled &#39;Adrift&#39; and Desmond is listed in the credits. He&#39;ll reappear in the 3rd episode though entitled &#39;Orientation.&#39; This corresponds with what the producers said over the summer which was that we may get some answers in the first installment but it wouldn&#39;t be until the 3rd episode that the audience would begin to see the big picture.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 10:40 a.m. CST

    correction

    by Hobbs

    Correction - I meant to say Desmond is NOT listed in the credit for &#39;Adrift&#39;.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Adam Rutherford, 57

    by Pecas

    Shannon&#39;s dad died cuz Jack chose to save Sarah instead. IN the ER. Anyone catch that? And all the islanders were obviously chosen to outlive everyone else in the world who blew up in some nuclear bomb or something.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje

    by Hobbs

    I read that Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje will be one of the Others. He&#39;s listed as a regular cast member for the 2nd season so I don&#39;t know which episodes he&#39;ll appear in. The action will shift to sea it appears based on next week&#39;s title. Conventional wisdom is that the Others (or at least Some of the Others) where the ones that put the kibosh on the Michael and the rafters. It&#39;s likely that we&#39;ll see more of the Others including Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje next week.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 10:47 a.m. CST

    key

    by doughsimian

    no one mentioned wall with the burnt pails that tugged at jacks key...

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 10:49 a.m. CST

    N.D. Survivor?

    by Hobbs

    Still surveying IMDb - one of the guest appearances for last night&#39;s episode was Ivana Michele Smith playing "N.D. survivor." Am I missing something obvious? Does this mean anything to anyone? Maybe she was from North Dakota?

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 10:50 a.m. CST

    yeah, dough...

    by zombieslayer

    they said it&#39;s obviously an electromagnet to protect desmond from the nanobot cloud monster. duh! haha.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 10:51 a.m. CST

    BOOM Goes the HoliDome!!!!

    by Deandome

    Will Desmond kill/hold the 3 leads of the show hostage? NO!!! Will the castaways all file into a safe new haven loaded with information that would unlock the mysteries of the island? NO!!! That leaves one option...the entire underground complex will be destroyed, just like the French chick&#39;s lair was. But I think that it will be done remotely by the &#39;overseers&#39; in a way that also kills Desmond...can&#39;t leave him around to answer questions, &#39;specially since we know that our gang ain&#39;t above a lil&#39; torture when it suits their needs. Mark it down...that thing will blow by the end of 2.3!!

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Buffy vs. Lost

    by Nizzuts

    Look, I saw one episode of Buffy. I did not care for it that much. I caught a few bit and pieces of episodes before it went off the air and still never got into it much. I thought the production was cheezy, the acting was campy, and the show felt like it was made for teenage girls. (To be fair, most sci-fi type shows are the same, Star Trek, that crap Babylon-5, Firefly, etc.) That doesn&#39;t make the show bad, I just did not like it. I think that the production value of Lost is higher than Buffy, but that seem purely a budget thing being as Lost is an hit show on a bigger network. Bottom line is this: if you like Buffy or Lost fine, if you don&#39;t fine. It is ridiculous to compare them. They are two different types of shows appealing to different target audiences. The fact that some of the audience likes both shows is a testement to both of their success and the fact that some people like one and hate the other is not a point of either show "sucking ass".

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 11:02 a.m. CST

    The symbol on Desmond&#39;s jumpsuit...

    by slone13

    Is a feng shui compass. http://www.fiftythings.com/Images/feng.gif It can also be seen on the cabinet containing the medicine and on the walls throughout the bunker. Chew on that for a while.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 11:14 a.m. CST

    "Scientific" theories about Locke being able to walk and the pol

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    The bears were in the cargo hold of Flight 815. Their cage was right next to Vincent&#39;s. The stuff with the comic book is just a coincidence. ... Locke suffered a mental breakdown which caused him to believe he could not use his legs. But, in fact, there was nothing physically wrong with him. When he crashed on the island and survived, his mind created a "miracle" that not only had he lived but could also walk again. Notice in the episode in which he became highly frustrated with the hatch, he started losing the ability to walk. This is a real, diagnosed psychological condition. I forget the name for it, but when I have the time (which I&#39;m not using posting here), I&#39;ll try to look it up. ... There is no connection between Locke&#39;s ability (or lack of) to walk, and Sarah&#39;s "miracle" cure. I think Sarah&#39;s matter is probably a whole other thing. ... The magnetic force in Desmond&#39;s compound was pulling Jack&#39;s dog tag away from him, toward the sealed passageway. Maybe it has something to do with keeping the nanites out. ... I agree that Desmond and his compound (which looks like a place that Dr. Evil would have) will be destroyed soon, before any real answers are revealed. However, I bet we&#39;ll see that 8-sided polygon emblem again later this season.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 11:17 a.m. CST

    I hope &#39;Lost&#39; lasts 3 seasons and then the makers have t

    by moviemaniac-7

    Keep it fresh and original. And what&#39;s that bitching about Buffy Vs. Lost? I love &#39;em both.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 11:23 a.m. CST

    sloan13: That&#39;s a GREAT find!

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    And it ties in with the ley lines theory. Whoa.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Some Things to Consider

    by Darkfyre

    Maybe the equipment and decor in the bunker are current technology, and it&#39;s the plane survivors who&#39;ve moved through time. In that case, Desmond hasn&#39;t met Jack yet. Maybe that day in the stadium took place (from Desmond&#39;s POV) long after the series ends. Also, what if the other hatches in the bunker lead to places other than the island. You know, an interdimensional nexus sort of thing. If the hatches open to other places and time periods, it could sure lead to some interesting new story directions...or be completely stupid and lame. Just some thoughts.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 11:38 a.m. CST

    "Interdimensional nexus... other places and time periods."

    by LoudmouthCracker

    See also: "The Dark Tower" by Stephen King.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Science vs. not-science

    by TempusFugitive

    I THINK I remember reading early interviews with J.J. et al that actually said that everything on the show could be explained with science or "pseudo-science". That could leave open many more possibilities, since in some definitions, pseudo-science includes topics previously referred to as "mystical".

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 11:43 a.m. CST

    NaNOTS!!!

    by Deandome

    Ummm...you try to RATIONALLY/SCIENTIFICALLY explain the mysteries by evoking &#39;swarms of nanites&#39;??? Are you all HIGH??? They don&#39;t exist anywhere outside of sci-fi geeks&#39; wet dreams, so you can&#39;t throw them out as a viable answer to the producers comments that everything could be explained by science. If you do...well, buxom alien fuck-puppets are scientifically plausible, same with telekenesis, ESP anything else you wanna dream up!! If they meant stuff can be based on EXISTING science, this can&#39;t fly...but if it&#39;s based on incredulous, quasi FUTURE science, well, anything goes, including aliens/time travel....ANYTHING!!! I can&#39;t see how this could work w/existing science, so I think that science fiction is what they meant when they said "explained by science", which DOES open the doors for nanites or zillions of other options.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 11:46 a.m. CST

    MindMelding w/TempusF.

    by Deandome

    We must be caught in the show, as we both say the same thing at the same time!!

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Last night was the highest rated episode ever.

    by Mr. Profit

    With 24 million viewers. That is Desperate Housewives numbers. Also, Invasion held onto a sizeable chunk of Lost&#39;s audience to premiere with 18 mil and winning it&#39;s timeslot. good for ABC. Now we will see how Alias, The Night Stalker, Desperate Housewives, and Grey&#39;s Anatomy will do. I smell another successful year for ABC. That is of course if Lost doesn&#39;t jump over a pool of sharks with laser beams.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 12:02 p.m. CST

    7 Rows

    by Uninvisible

    Hey guys, I don&#39;t have the box set yet or the memory for it so correct me if I&#39;m wrong... I recall each row of the aircraft having 6 seats. If that is correct, 42/6 = 7 rows of people still alive, and 48/6 = 8 rows of people started out on that part of the island.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Deandome?

    by Brother_Marquis

    You may be right...what do you think the black swarm is? I&#39;m no scientist but if you google telekenesis, you get a bunch of sites under what I would lable paranormal. If you google nanotechnology you get a number of sites from major companies, conglomerates, and evern governments....all devoted to this possible technology and it&#39;s growing potential. So while I&#39;m not disagreeing with you, if the producers wanted to go with science that seems more credible with today&#39;s scientific community, it&#39;s seems nanites would be better than say telekenesis. But you never know. BTW- nothing came up with I googled buxom alien fuck-puppets. ;-)

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Nanites?

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    The reason why so many are considering that the monsters are nanite swarms is because of the similarity to the way such things behave in the Crichton novel "Prey." In the book, the swarms tunnel through the ground, and burst out like a series of explosions advancing toward their prey (usually a person). These nanites feed on animal and human flesh, as a means of acquiring energy. These nanites can also lock together and do things in tandem like lift objects into the air. Crazy-stupid idea? You fucking bet, sir. But it&#39;s in a Crichton novel, and the relatively unseen monsters of LOST behave awfully in the same way. Also, the producers said we would get a "look at this thing" in last season&#39;s finale. Well, what did we actually see? What we saw appeared to be black plumes of smoke. So were we ripped off by the producers, or did they actually tell us the truth? That the black plumes themselves are the "monster"?

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 12:11 p.m. CST

    "glowing serum" label #....do I have to really say it?

    by SantiagoAtez

    I don&#39;t have screen-caping capabilities, but the # on the bottle is CR 4-81516-23 (the rest is covered by his thumb). Sorry if someone already posted this. Also, he mentions in the stadium that he&#39;s a doctor, as well...I thought that was really interesting. Crazy scientist? Oh well, he will undoubtedly die before revealing anything, along with the destruction of his bunker (as many posters have awknowledged, as well). Or maybe the main characters will just leave Irish Mad Scientist without asking good questions, like what they did with French Crazy Woman. I love the show, but they seriously need to close some doors before opening new ones. If they get out of there without an big revelations, we&#39;ll be pretty much at Episode 1.1 all over again, and that&#39;s not how you make a good show. But why does everyone say that Irish Mad Scientist doesn&#39;t recognize Jack in the bunker at the end? I didn&#39;t pick up on that. Also, please remember..."nanites" is an invention of Lost fans, not Lost writers...people talk about it like there was an episode devoted to it!

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 12:14 p.m. CST

    One of the top 2 shows on TV right now

    by AlwaysThere

    Lost and Rome are an amazing combo.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Nano Nano

    by Deandome

    NanoTECHNOLOGY is very real...nanITES are not, nor will they be for a LOONG time. They may well be used on the show, though, as I believe there&#39;s no way they can use &#39;real science&#39; and have a fun resolution for this kinda show. I just was bemused by people who threw out the posibility of nanites in response to Abram&#39;s assertion that eveything could be explained by science. I think that&#39;s mostly a red herring...he wanted to allay fears that this would all end up being a dream or some psycho&#39;s mental musings. But there clearly are forces at work that will NOT be based on existing science.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 12:15 p.m. CST

    oh, and the bunker supply issue

    by SantiagoAtez

    I&#39;m much more interested in knowing where the hell he gets all of his supplies. Unless you believe he&#39;s living down there with a lifetime supply of laundry detergent, bananas, cherries, and dish soap.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 12:16 p.m. CST

    buxom alien fuck-puppets are scientifically plausible

    by TempusFugitive

    Now that&#39;s some science (or pseudo-science or whatever) I can get behind! C&#39;mon NASA, inovate this!

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 12:16 p.m. CST

    The nanites idea is far-fetched, but within the realm of "extrem

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    The idea that Crichton used to explain his nanobots/nanites is that they work together like the way killer fire and fire ants. For example, if the colony gets flooded over with water, the ants clump together in order to float on the water surface. If they come into contact with a living creature, they swarm it, kill it, and take it over to survive on. This is a real danger that has been reported on in hurricane ravaged areas that are flooded. Back to the nanites idea: the theory is that this is how nanites could function, by interlocking with one another to perform tasks, which could, theoretically of course, include killing.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Desmond Is NOT a Doctor

    by Deandome

    Nor does he play one on TV. He said something to the effect that he had STUDIED to be a doctor, but it was clear he didn&#39;t finish...probby cuz Will Smith flashed him with a pen & took him away to Area 57 to run the alien island.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 12:23 p.m. CST

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Nanites, etc.

    by TempusFugitive

    I do believe that the reference to "pseudo-science" leaves open a number of possibilities that go beyond what is "real". Pseudo-science in its essence should include enough real-science as possible, while potentially delving into a theoretical area that isn&#39;t "proven" yet. So sure, nanites COULD be in scope, or even time travel. But I&#39;m hoping it&#39;s not something as &#39;simple&#39; as one of these. I say, keep screwing with our heads. I have visions of a group of writers being presented with a list of theories put together by the internet-fan-masses, and laughing their asses off.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Fighting the monster...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    If they are nanites, then that would explain what happened when Locke was being dragged down by them. The nanites formed into a tentacle to pull him in so they could swarm him. When the dynamite was thrown in and went off, the shockwave of the explosion blew apart the nanites hold with one another. The magnetic force in the passageway to Desmond&#39;s lair may be a means to protect him from the swarm. The nanites may be made of metal, and they could magnetize themselves in order to lock together with one another. I agree that this is a far-out technology, in the realm of Star Trek Next Gen tech, but this show I think is going for presenting fanastic ideas but attempting to do so in logically plausible ways that border on the realm of extreme, theoretical, para science/technology.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Regarding Nanites, etc. by TempusFugitive

    by Brother_Marquis

    Or...the group of writers are presented with a list of theories put together by the internet-fan-masses, and coming up with ways to go in different directions!

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 12:33 p.m. CST

    QUARANTINE was printed on the INSIDE of the hatch.

    by Spike Fett

    Which means the people on the island are the ones being quarantined, Desmond is there to study/experiment/observe them or whatever. He&#39;s certainly not a prisoner, unless the government is allowing prisoners to have access to heavy artillery these days.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Supply Side

    by Deandome

    The cherries were mericnino(sp?), so they coulda been preserved, but not bananas (which I didn&#39;t notice). During the opening minutes I told my wife I had a Bruce Dern/&#39;Silent Running&#39; vibe, and that might be the answer! We&#39;ll probby see a greenhouse in the complex before it gets blowed up real good (another dome ala Silent Running!). And there will be three squat robots named Huey, Louie & Dewie tending the garden...they also get mean & drag people underground.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Desmond&#39;s Biodome

    by The Gipper

    In episode 2.2, "Desmond" pulls off his mask a la Scooby Doo-style and reveals himself to be Paulie Shore.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Contd....

    by Deandome

    And there&#39;s no way he&#39;s getting outside supplies, as he&#39;d certainly get better equipment along with any food shipments. My god...no Internet/printed porn???? No wonder he&#39;s so jumpy...and who knows what he&#39;s done to Kate (well, he has lots of bananas....the mind reels!).

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Ummm....

    by PwnedByStallone

    did they have innoculation guns like that in the early 80&#39;s? really i don&#39;t know. anyone?

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 1:04 p.m. CST

    hurleys lottery numbers

    by thebusabus

    did anyone else notice this? back in the first season, when hurley and charlie are talking, and charlie mentions his heroin problem, he then asks hugo to tell him a secret. hurleys response? "back home, im worth 156 million dollars." in the season 2 premiere, when hurley and jack are talking, hugo says "i won the lottery with the numbers, 114 million dollars." what is 156 - 114? of course, it is 42. any theories?

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Regarding hurleys lottery numbers

    by Brother_Marquis

    He said that he won $114 million. Could he have made investments that earned him several more millions?

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 1:09 p.m. CST

    ok, but...

    by thebusabus

    Brother_M, I hear ya, but the fact that the only two numbers he mentioned in regards to his winnings can be converted to the number 42 is saying something, right?

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 1:09 p.m. CST

    I wasn&#39;t at all pissed at the finale... why?

    by Uncooked_Meat

    Because I didn&#39;t see it until last week. I was one of those who watched the first few eps, then missed a couple and vowed not to start in the middle toavoid confusing myself. So instead I waited for the DVD&#39;s ate through them in a week, and ta-da! No cliffhanger for me! Phew. Deep breath. Anyway, I loved last night. LOVED IT. Which sucks, because I don&#39;t think I can wait another 12 months for the Season 2 DVD&#39;s, so I&#39;ll have to tune in every week. Stupid good show! Suckin&#39; me in, makin&#39; me it&#39;s slave.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 1:09 p.m. CST

    I wasn&#39;t at all pissed at the finale... why?

    by Uncooked_Meat

    Because I didn&#39;t see it until last week. I was one of those who watched the first few eps, then missed a couple and vowed not to start in the middle toavoid confusing myself. So instead I waited for the DVD&#39;s ate through them in a week, and ta-da! No cliffhanger for me! Phew. Deep breath. Anyway, I loved last night. LOVED IT. Which sucks, because I don&#39;t think I can wait another 12 months for the Season 2 DVD&#39;s, so I&#39;ll have to tune in every week. Stupid good show! Suckin&#39; me in, makin&#39; me it&#39;s slave.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Brother_Marquis

    by TempusFugitive

    "Or...the group of writers are presented with a list of theories put together by the internet-fan-masses, and coming up with ways to go in different directions!" Yep, I considered that as well, but discarded it as an idea because it scares me... sooooo much.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Numbers

    by TempusFugitive

    I have to believe that all the "number" references on the show are intended to be in-jokes/easter eggs. Let&#39;s face it, the average viewer did not memorize the lottery numbers from that episode, and wouldn&#39;t recognize them popping up one at a time later on. It&#39;s a fun exercise to try and catch all the references, but if the 6 numbers are actually key to the solution to teh mysteries.... well, then I&#39;m back to my single mental patient, obsessing over these numbers, theory.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 1:16 p.m. CST

    This show RULES

    by Atomica

    MAn episode 2.1 was killer

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 1:38 p.m. CST

    What knocked Shannon off her feet???

    by hairyandtattooed

    When Sayid leaves Shannon to go after Vincent, she runs after him, calls his name twice, and then gets hit from behind by something that appears to fly over her head! There&#39;s also an audible THUMP sound effect. I slo-moed it a number of times, but still can&#39;t see what it is! Anybody have any ideas??

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 1:58 p.m. CST

    *hic*

    by CatVutt

    Don&#39;t mind me, I just need ta borrow this fire extinguisher. Some dude next door jes&#39; turned 5000 years old and the party&#39;s getting a little out of hand. Hot lookin&#39; green babe over there, though. Later.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Prey and Nanites and Magnets

    by DumbPunter

    If I remember the novel correctly, and the general theory behind nanotechnology, they&#39;re not actually made of metal, but complex synthesized organic materials, right? So that would mean the force that pulled Jack&#39;s key would have no effect on those buggers.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 2:13 p.m. CST

    oceanic-air.com seating chart

    by xphilter

    so this might be old, but it was not there last time i went to the site. You can see the seating chart of the plane and where people sat (you have to click around) and if you click on the numbers 4-8-15-16-23-42 in a row on the bottom you get a cool video clip.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 2:27 p.m. CST

    nuMbeRs

    by Deandome

    Have to split from you on this one TF....the numbers are MUCH more than inside jokes, even though people ARE getting fixated on when/how they APPEAR in different places. They&#39;re fundemental to SOMETHING, otherwise they wouldn&#39;t keep popping up DIRECTLY as a plot theme; Hurley&#39;s whole odyssey (the whacko chanting them thru his post-lotto bad luck)/him seeing them on the hatch/the french chick&#39;s writings/the radio message/etc. So I agree, many &#39;sightings&#39;, i.e. the drug bottle, might be there to fuck with us...MOST of the time they are pointing to/hinting at something real. Even the "108" is probby truly tied to them.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Hurley&#39;s Lottery Winnings

    by Itchy

    It was explained in Hurley&#39;s flashback episode that he invested his lottery winnings and was making a killing on all his investments (for instance, he bought a factory, which then burnt down, but it was over insured so he actually MADE a bunch of money)

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Hurley&#39;s Lottery Winnings +

    by DumbPunter

    Additionally, Hurley invested in a box company, specifically the one in which Locke works at.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Episodes 2.2 and 2.3

    by TheTagger

    How many of you think that next week&#39;s episode will deal only with the raft people, since we didnt see them at all this week? We might have to wait two weeks to see if Jack puts down the gun. And by the way, IMDB says Locke&#39;s father is in Ep 2.3, which means it&#39;s Locke-centric! And there was much rejoicing!

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 2:43 p.m. CST

    NUMB3RS

    by TempusFugitive

    I&#39;m with you, Deandome. I&#39;m sure the numbers, in as much as they relate to the weird broadcast and markings on the hatch are definitely a part of the mystery. I should have been more explicit in that whenver we see one or two of them show up someplace else... it might just be them screwing with us. But hell, I&#39;m still just taking wild assed guesses at all this. It sure is nice to not see the obvious plotlines coming from miles away...

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Don&#39;t forget...

    by Hobbs

    Hurley was in a psych ward. That fact could certainly open up the possibility that there is a &#39;warped reality&#39; angle to this whole story.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Hurley in the Psych Ward

    by TempusFugitive

    I havne&#39;t forgotten that either... was THAT the red herring? Or is seeing "A wrinkle in Time" being read by Sawyer the red herring? Or is noticing that the car that hit Michael (putting him in the hospital) look identical to the one that hit Locke in the parking lot the red herring? Crap, I don&#39;t know...

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 3 p.m. CST

    havne&#39;t = haven&#39;t

    by TempusFugitive

    Stupid friggin&#39; fingers....

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 3:07 p.m. CST

    I didn&#39;t think the serum was GLOWING.

    by -guyinthebackrow

    Did you guys? It was probably just some vitamin for Desmond&#39;s lack of any sunlight. Which vitamin would that be? D? E?

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 3:11 p.m. CST

    The show ends...

    by ransel

    I bet the show ends with Hurley sitting in the pysch ward looking at a snowglobe of an island

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 3:12 p.m. CST

    by ransel

    and when you shake the snowglobe a black cloud swirls around

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 3:19 p.m. CST

    ARE ROCKERS FEMININE!?!?! MORON!!!!

    by YouIgnorantGeeks

    Have you any idea how many rockers are huge buffy fans? Sports guys too...Just listen to them being interviewed on Howard Stern, ANOTHER HUGE BUFFY FAN, back when Buffy was on the air and it was on the nights of interviews.... Just because your insecure about your masculinity don&#39;t diss guys who like buffy. I am far from feminine, but think its the best show ever. Great writing knows no sex.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Rollin&#39;, rollin&#39;, rollin&#39;.....

    by Deandome

    Glowing drugs...where&#39;s the rave?? I noticed it&#39;s lack of glowing too...kinda odd that it&#39;s in the TITLE of this thread & the info was otherwise so dead-on. And subcutaneous air-hypos have been around forever. As a kid in 1970-72, I thought it was the coolest thing ever when one was used for some innocualtion given to me at my elem. school.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Eunuch Perspective, YIG

    by Deandome

    "Great writing knows no sex" Kinda like guys who are way too into buffy & sci-fi. BTW, I loved all things buffy as well

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Fun with Magnets

    by VonBismarck

    Sure, you could use a superstrong electromagnet to repell a swarm of "nanobots." Why not? Oh yeah, becasue they don&#39;t exist. Or, you could be really devious and wire a bunch of reactor powered electromagnets in series, say in a octagonal pattern, (which would make a really great logo I think)bury them under ground on a rather remote and mineral rich island and pop them all off at once to MAKE A PLANE OR TWO CRASH. Sounds simple? It actually is! Wait for long range radar in your underground geodisic dome (which is oddly enough the same shape that Fermi used to model his small core nuclear reactor control chambers around) to pick up blip as it does fly by, and press the button on your old but still perfectly usefull computer to activate the system and bring a plane down.... And block radio communications. Not to mention that there is some research on how electromagnetic waves can effect people&#39;s sleep patterns........you could make a nuclear reactor small enough to fit in a dome no bigger than a two story house, and it would run for a long long time with minimal hassle. Just like the power station at the Technical University of Budapest does. The whole campus, and most of the surrounding neighborhood is powered by such an underground dome, and has been since the early sities. Putting one on a remote island to powere a series of supermanets is well within the confines of modern science. And if it should go wrong, well, you have a nice shielded series of tunnels to keep the slow leaking radiation outside. (with no pesky cameras in them to replace when you fire off the magnet gun.) Especially if said reactor started leaking pesky low level radiation into the air around the island. The type that you would want to quarenteen yourslef from. Take regular enoculations for. Sounds silly? Well, those crazy Nazi scientists tried the same thing (minus the nuke power) back towards the end of the Second War, and guess what? It worked, but was too expensive to use against allied forces. They figured lobbing rockets at Brittian and building giant overns in Poland was cheaper. But then tha&#39;s all in the past. As is rumour of the Russians trying the same thing in the sixties, and the U.S. testing that stuff in the Nevada desert in the sevienties/80s. Rumour. But it would make a great plot for an hour long suspense drama, wouldn&#39;t it? Someone thought so.........

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Tempest

    by VonBismarck

    The Tempest parallels are pretty good as well mate. But it&#39;s only the first act of the second act, so who is to say where the plot will go.......I just hope they don&#39;t get all "Twin Peaks" and reveal too much too soon....which usualy sends a suspense driven show in a downward spiral. The writers of Lost are certainly good, perhaps even smarter. I would hold off that judgement of being "better" and just call them more gimmiky. (although they did rip off the backwards talking bit.....silly them.)

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Actually being into Buffy can GET you hot girls

    by YouIgnorantGeeks

    It did for me! Its funny though, with Girls I noticed they are either really into Buffy but don&#39;t like Angel, or really into Angel but don&#39;t like Buffy. At least with my friends. That never made sense to me. HEY MAYBE THERE IS POLAR BEARS IN LOST BECAUSE ITS THE "NORTH POLE" WHERE SANTA&#39;S WORKSHOP IS!!! See.. Santa uses his power to make it a tropical island until its time for him to make toys. Some people found the island and since its so nice want to keep it for themselves. SO they go around killing intruders like the plane crash survivors. OR OR there Santa&#39;s elves and they have to kill to keep it a secret! The smoke is his sleigh. AND THATS WHY THEY KIDNAP KIDS AND NOT KILL THEM!!!!! This is what happens to me when the last hour until work ends drags on and on and on. I ramble about nonsense. And, half an hour until work ends, I start to think that rambling sounds like a good theory.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 4:27 p.m. CST

    walt whispers

    by vashdasta

    not sure if mentioned already but heard on the radio this morning during the walt vision with him standing there all wet it has whispers in the background and when played backwards it has walt&#39;s voice saying something like push the button the button is not bad or something like that thought it was cool.. maybe the other whispers say something as well... also have some random thoughts most of which are probably wrong... the magnets are prob used to disclose where the island is and thats why the compass didnt work or they could actually be right by the north pole... also maybe inside the hatch is used to somehow control the tide/weather.. or maybe the island can sink under water and thats how the boat got trapped in the center or maybe even the whole island could drive like a boat.. just some stupid thoughts...

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 4:50 p.m. CST

    RANSELLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!

    by durhay

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 4:51 p.m. CST

    darn enter key

    by durhay

    Ransel - I came up with the exact same idea today, save for the black swirl.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Good Lord! A flashback that actually related to what was happeni

    by performingmonkey

    There were so many redundant flashbacks last year due to the season extension, so I wonder if we&#39;re going to see more that connect to the island this time around. I suppose there&#39;s a possibility that each character has had Desmond affect their lives and we&#39;d see that flashback each week. I&#39;m willing to bet hard cash that Desmond met Hurley at some point, or that guy at the psych ward and that&#39;s how the numbers got into his head. Anyway, Jack&#39;s flashback hair almost made this season premier redundant.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 4:53 p.m. CST

    okay everything i thought about the premiere was posted but...

    by bad oman ltd

    okay since all the theories are already out there about everything in this espisode, how about some other stuff to come from the first season...more specifically some Kate info...let&#39;s go back to the beginning of the season when we find out that Kate is actually the fugitive. Sure the US Marhall is hellbent on getting her justifying his desparate attempts to keep her locked up. But why the sarcastic taunting and unnecessary bashing of her character...Kate clearly did something to piss this guy off besides being a criminal on the loose. So here&#39;s what I think: Kate used the US Marshall and he believed that she loved him or was going to get something more out of Kate and that&#39;s how she got the key to get the plane back. Because we still don&#39;t know how the plane got in the safe deposit box or how she got the other key. I think she seduced the Marshall to get the key and to escape she POISONED him. This goes hand in hand with a very emphasized tone that the Marshall says after saying "I&#39;m sure they&#39;ll believe your story..blah blah blah...Are you sure you don&#39;t want any more JUICE?" and the look on Kate&#39;s face is like she knows his incinuation of those sarcastic words. And if you remember when the Marshall was talking to Jack about her, he looked at his face and said, "She got to you huh?" and said some stuff about her using people all the time. It&#39;s not just his job, he&#39;s got a grudge and his going after Kate around the world is personal. The poison comes back into play because Kate is the one who suggested to Sun to poison Jin, making us well aware of what she&#39;s capable of.......Okay now a theory of the pushing of the button that Walt says...it&#39;s gotta be the button that Jack almost pushed down in the hatch and Locke said I wouldn&#39;t do that if I were you. Maybe that&#39;s what controls the security system, and maybe Desmond uses whatever it is to keep people away from the entrances that are easily accessible, unlike the hatch door which had to be blown up with dynamite, and who&#39;s going to be resourceful enough to locate dynamite and live to tell the tale. So who knows what Desmond is doing but I think he&#39;s respoinsible for some of the weird stuff that&#39;s been going on. I really like the magnet bringing that plane down theory by the way. But seriously what the FUCK is Desmond doing and what the hell are the drugs. That makes me like the disease theory too because of Rousseau&#39;s family getting sick and the Island being quarantined. Also all the appearances of the numbers everywhere in Season 1 is great. I think next episode we might actually meet the other survivors because the commercial after the premiere said "The fate of all the survivors will be revealed" meaning to me that we&#39;ll know about the other survivors and what happened to them as well. We&#39;ll have to wait and see though.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 5:19 p.m. CST

    oceanic air question

    by Ace Hunter

    Just finished screwing around on the oceanic air website. I went to the part that displays the plane&#39;s seating arrangement and just started clicking randomly. A few of the survivors&#39; seats lit up and when I clicked on them different things happened (including the M. Rodruigez character - click on her and the plane begins to shake and shutter until the back of the plane breaks off and a quick video clip from Kate&#39;s flashback when the plane rips apart). My question is, does anyone know if there is a certain pattern to clicking on these things that leads to something or is it pretty random? I found everyone except Sawyer, Jin, Sun, Walt, Michael, and Hurley. Thanks in advance.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 5:25 p.m. CST

    The Hardest Button to Button....

    by Deandome

    The button clearly will start a self-destruct sequence for the uber-necessary pod/complex cave-in. That explains Locke&#39;s warning NOT to push it (since they&#39;re INSIDE it!) AND Walt&#39;s gibberishy statement that it&#39;s GOOD to push it. Remember, he told them not to go in in the first place, so now that they did, destroying it would obviously be the next best thing (from his point of view).

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 6:20 p.m. CST

    underground bunker people

    by w1k

    How many more secret people are there on this island. So far it&#39;s French Chick and Underground Bunker Dude? Maybe UBD opperates the monster

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Good episode, Awesome opener!!

    by Neo Zeed

    Word is bond!

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 6:51 p.m. CST

    The underground chamber

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    looks an awful lot like the crystal dome thing in Walts comic in season 1, the one with the polar bear. I think whoever said that Desmond is someone special like Walt hit the nail on the head..mind, this show can seem to take you in one direction and change in a flash. Personally, i think it&#39;s great TV.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 6:52 p.m. CST

    But...

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    while Desmond has special powers like Walt, somethings turned him into a complete and utter bastard.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 6:55 p.m. CST

    oceanic-air hidden text

    by scifiexpo

    Not sure if this has already been posted, but I found this by highlighting text on the front page... I survived a horrific plane crash and am stranded on an island somewhere Northeast of Australia and Southwest of Hawaii. In the event that I am never found, please forward word of my fate to my parents. and this... If anyone should find this message, please get word I&#39;m alive and stranded on an island somewhere in the South Pacific. Please send help soon. Things are bad. And they&#39;re getting worse... Sally

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Man of Faith, Man of Science - John DESMOND Bernal, Irish scient

    by SickPuppy

    Pretty fricking intelligent dude, interested in and wrote a book about The Science of Science. I suspect this is the source of the name Desmond.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 7:06 p.m. CST

    One question

    by Itchy

    if this island is some kind fantasy or prolonged delusion that one of the characters is having, then why are Claire, Sun, Shannon and Kate wearing clothes ? And why haven&#39;t they engaged in a four day long group orgy ? Obviously that theory is crap.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 7:28 p.m. CST

    its a dead mans switch

    by Fantomex

    (sorry if someone already said this) The computer is a deadman&#39;s switch. If Desmond doesn&#39;t type something in correctly every 24 hours or so, something bad happens. See "Safe House" a really bad Patrick Stewart Movie.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 7:39 p.m. CST

    eight sided polygon

    by phimster

    i think the polygon is a korean symbol. i used to take tkd and the symbol from the show looks like the one on the korean flag with a yin yang in the middle with broken and solid lines surrounding it

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 7:42 p.m. CST

    i just realized...

    by phimster

    if that polygon is from korean culture that might have implications with the korean couple? ya? its worth a stab.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 8:04 p.m. CST

    theory

    by vashdasta

    not sure about the rules to that spolier about a word that starts and ends in the same letter or the but maybe its "ThermostaT".. lol

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 8:05 p.m. CST

    theory

    by vashdasta

    not sure about the rules to that spolier about a word that starts and ends in the same letter or the but maybe its "ThermostaT".. lol

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 9:01 p.m. CST

    A real-world scientific theory about Locke that may satisfy both

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    He could have been afflicted with "general paresis of the insane," which is caused by a strain of syphilis and affects males more than females. This can cause muscular disorders -- in effect, rendering the victim unable to use their legs. Infecting such people with malaria has been found to stop the spread of general paresis. So maybe this is what Locke suffered from, and the island itself -- contaminated with something -- cured him by infecting him with something that stopped his general paresis. Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_paralysis_of_the_insane

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Okay, so inside the hatch was a guy we&#39;d never seen before t

    by Demosthenes2

    That&#39;s...fine. I guess. I just wish this show had used more of its loose threads in season one for foreshadowing what we found.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 9:07 p.m. CST

    OMG! AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT NOTICED....

    by Filbakar

    The lotto numbers when added together = 108... cmon..that was an easy one!

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Good God.

    by michaeliceberg

    I have never seen so many 40-year old virgins assembled on one message board.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Another website clue.......

    by Dallas1701D

    If you go to the seating chart, in the lower right is a green button, push it and it takes you to a word game using the name ETHAN ROM. Turns out it is an anagram for OTHER MAN. Not sure if this is new or old, but it SEEMS new, and takes you to a new clip. Hope it helps....

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Anna Lucia theory / website clue

    by TheTagger

    I havent seen anyone say they saw this, so I&#39;ll put it out there... On www.oceanic-air.com, on the page with the seating chart, there is a flashing "f" next to "Economy Class 11-42". If you click on it, Anna Lucia&#39;s seat turns green. When you click on her seat, you see this great animation of the plane shaking and then breaking apart. Right before it breaks apart, though, the front 2/3rds of the seats flash red- along with Anna&#39;s seat. After a few flashes, the back 1/3rd flashes too. What are they saying by this? Perhaps the ONLY passenger from the back of the plane to survive is Ms. Michelle Rodriguez? I dont know, anyone have any thoughts?

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Questions about Desmond

    by Steve Zodiac

    How did he get to the Island?...Where did he land or dock?...How those brand new waching machines got to the hatch? How all that equipment got to the hatch?...not threw that hole...other entrances? and all his food? the power supply? Damn

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 12:01 a.m. CST

    there are weirder things, but nobody mentioned...

    by w1k

    why was desmond waking up to do his morning routine in the dead of night

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 1:48 a.m. CST

    A Random Numbers Theory

    by 2

    So I know this doesn&#39;t match to much of anything, but I&#39;ll just throw it out there cuz it sounded kinda cool to me...My sister-in-law who I was watching the show with tonite pulled a weird numbers theory: what if they are one big string instead. 4,815,162,342. That&#39;s between 4 and 5 billion, supposedly right around the age of the Earth. Perhaps...exactly the age of the Earth? (Cue twilight zone theme...) Okay, well, maybe not. But I do expect something tangible out of those dang numbers...

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 3:54 a.m. CST

    The Insignia

    by JohnIan

    Slone13, I believe you&#39;re right. http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/2289/lostdesmondoctagon4sh.jpg

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 4:55 a.m. CST

    Chauvinist Buffy Bashers

    by monkeyqi

    "You seriously need to get a fucking life. Every male character on that show was neutered and feminine, just like guys who like it. I feel bad for guys who go on and and about Buffy. You do realize that your male friends are laughing at you, right? You do realize that Buffy was, at heart, a girl power show, right? You do relaize that every male character on that show was subservient to the females, right? Look at Wash from Firefly. His wife wears the pants, and you&#39;d better believe it. Joss Whedon fear men behaving like men, or, kicking asses, unless the man is a hopeless,. tortured, cliched romantic. Then he can be tough too. Look at the previews for Serenity. Uncharasmatic, non-star-quality, castrated Han Solo: "We&#39;re experiencing some turbulence, followed by maybe exploding". Jayne: B-But, I don&#39;t wanna explode!" LOL. Get over the Whedon-verse, punks. Oh, and for the record: Buffy was cancelled. Like Angel was cancelled. Like Firefly was cancelled. No MALE viewer want to watch a show where the male characters are pussified. Real men watch the fucking Shield or Rescue Me or Deadwood. Oh, and Serentiy&#39;s failure is coming, and coming soon... " "dam i feel really bad about never watching buffy, i have been wasting my time with captain kirk a real man kicking ass and porking everything that breathes." You are both ignorant little men with tiny, miniscule cojones. REAL men don&#39;t treat women as objects (sexism is NOT ok here, there are plenty of women who like this site and to hear women referred to as &#39;things&#39; is offensive- are you racist too?) Kirk is a relic from a bygone era. Move on! Why do strong female characters necessarily mean that the male characters are &#39;pussified&#39;? I bet you won&#39;t watch the new Battlestar Galactica because Starbuck is now a woman! I have plenty of attractive, intelligent and successful male friends who like Buffy and trust me, it&#39;s a hell of a lot more attractive than some ignorant chauvinist pig who will only watch TV where there is some intellectually-challenged macho guy, saving (and &#39;porking&#39;) weak, pathetic women. Welcome to the 21st century guys, where women can kick ass and (shock horror!) lesbians can too, and when there&#39;s no time-machine to take you back to &#39;simpler&#39; times where women would be whatever pencil dicks like you wanted them to be. sorry.

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Conflicted opinion about Lost

    by Wyrdy the Gerbil

    On the one hand ive liked it a lot but what suprises me is that they hav`ht had their ass sued off by the makers of this.. Danger Island http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0104049/

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Talkbacks

    by hollygirl

    Hey-there is a site more obsessive than AICN re Lost - go to www.lost-tv.com - they have a thread for each new episode plus many more topics. They discovered (obsessively analyzed?!!) a lot more than I&#39;ve seen here - including screen caps of the medicine bottle and mural. p.s. - Buffy ruled! and Lost has at least revived serialized tv - always good for the brain!!!!

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 8:02 a.m. CST

    w1k

    by Ribbons

    LOLZORS!!!!!11 ******** But seriously, good point.

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 9:03 a.m. CST

    A Lost story I hadn&#39;t heard...

    by Hobbs

    Pardon me if I&#39;m offering information that may be old news. I just started watching the show over the summer (the reruns) and raced through the last few episodes on DVD. On ABC&#39;s official webpage for Lost there&#39;s an online diary written by one of the survivors. It mostly serves as a summary of events, but it&#39;s told from the POV of Janelle Granger from Hermosa Beach, CA. She has an intriguing history which is hinted at throughout the diary. It ends though with the end of Season 1. She stays on the beach after the raft launches and the rest of the survivors move to the caves. Throughout the diary she&#39;s been clinging to her dive bag which vitally important to her (and must have a knife in it as well) and she sits down with her bag next to the fire. With her is a creepy/annoying guy named Larry and three Austrailians - 2 men, 1 woman - that she doesn&#39;t really know. Here&#39;s the last paragraph - "What was that? A bright fiery flash - then a loud bang. The ground is shaking - like an earthquake rumbling and the wind is howling - enough that our fire went out. And now I can&#39;t really see. Why is she screaming? Someone behind me? I can&#39;t find my bag...." It ends with the pen mark streaked across the page possibly inferring that she was grabbed, attacked or somehow otherwise interrupted. In Season 2 the diary is discovered by another survivor, and that person adds his or her own entry explaining the discovery of the journal. Usually the official homepages are pretty boring and there&#39;s rarely any information introduced that isn&#39;t in the show, but it seems like a pretty notable part of the plot. Perhaps the Others DID attack on the beach, but there were only a handful of survivors there. If they did, nobody at the caves or the hatch had any idea of the attack. And who went back to the beach? More questions. If you haven&#39;t seen it go to the episode recaps and go to the three small icons at the bottom of the recap. It&#39;s the one on the right.

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Mantwat couldn&#39;t be more wrong

    by plkrtn

    So what if he doesn&#39;t like it. 24.5 Million viewers in the US say otherwise. And next week in the UK we get "Raised by Another" which is when the patient people finally start to get the payoff. Just because Mantwat would prefer to have his balls sucked by Picard than Kate, thats his problem. PS. ADEBESI RULES! Great to see more of the old Oz cast joining the show!

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Morning routine

    by Slygore

    Something I thought was important about the morning no one seems to have mentioned was that Desmond was making fresh eggs. That implies he either has chickens, or is being supported by the outside world. I kept thinking that Desmond was locked in a SPECTER hideout or Hugo Drax base also. Another thing that seemed important was that where Jack was affected by the magnet looked to have been a collapsed or hastily barricaded section of the facility. The shot also lingers on these aspects long before they show the magnetic effect.

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Eggs?

    by TempusFugitive

    They looked suspiciously like canned peaches to me...

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 11:15 a.m. CST

    michaeliceburg

    by smackfu

    You weren&#39;t really telling the truth when you said &#39;sorry, lost just isn&#39;t my cup of tea.&#39; Because actually it&#39;s a lot more than that, you seem quite obsessed, in the negative, with Lost. To the same degree that Lucas prequel haters obsess over how much they hate them. Well, you know what I hate? The movie &#39;The Gun in Betty Lou&#39;s Handbag.&#39; Watching that was quite possibly the most negative experience of my life. And this is the first time I&#39;ve mentioned it in about 10 years. That&#39;s true dislike. What you have going on is something completely different. "Does not have edge, LIKE 24" I like 24 too, but lets be honest, it&#39;s not edgy, and it&#39;s predictable to the extreme. Here&#39;s a season of 24: Something big happens, and CTU clammors to stop. By around episode 10 the bad guy is apprehended or killed, the day is saved, then we see the REAL bad guy and the mysterious &#39;what&#39;s really going&#39; is dangled like a carrot till about episode 16, where the real terrorist plot goes into full effect and is revealed. The last 4 episodes are the final chase, where Jack is right on their tail, but somehow it just fucking goes on and on, miss after miss. Intersperse with thousands of scenes of people at CTU looking knowingly at each other from across the center, an internal power struggle, a betrayal, &#39;too far&#39; interrogations, and Jack being forced to either kill someone or let someone die to further his mission. It&#39;s literally so formulaic that one could make a program that writes 24 seasons. It&#39;s good popcorn tv, but it&#39;s not original, fresh, or &#39;edgy&#39;.

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 11:24 a.m. CST

    re: The Insignia (on Desmond&#39;s cabinet)

    by gusteroid

    JohnIan, thanks for the link to the pic, and to Sloane13 for the catch. Did you see that in the Feng Shui compass it appears to have a swan shape in the middle, as well as the word Dharma - dealing with karma and morality and "the right way of living"... interesting. http://tinyurl.com/bxvtf

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 11:50 a.m. CST

    cut scene

    by zombieslayer

    www.oceanicflight815.com click the barcode, password "theislandiswaiting" Now what do you make of that? Clones?!?

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 11:56 a.m. CST

    nice zombieslayer

    by FrodosBlueBalls

    very cool stuff...i wonder what it could mean

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Desmonde&#39;s Transportation

    by Brother_Marquis

    Thanks to whoever it was that posted about the diary. I never read it before and got right on it. I saw this and thought it could mean something. Check it out... ******* Day 13 - Diary Could this whale sighting actually be some sort of mini sub? Desmode&#39;s way on and off the island for supplies? http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/diary/83329.html

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Re: zombieslayer&#39;s post

    by slone13

    This script page is much the one that can be found on the www.oceanic-air.com site. Meaning it was placed there by the LOST folks to completely lead you down the wrong track. You don&#39;t honestly think they&#39;d let a page of a script get out that has such a significant "spoiler" on it, do you? Please. You will never see Jack encountering himself, clone or otherwise. Trust me. The same way we will never see a robotic mapanguari revealed as the "security system" the way the other "secret" script page suggested. This is Abrams and the LOST peeps fucking with us. And I love every minute of it.

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Symbols could mean ANYTHING. But...

    by gusteroid

    Just because I&#39;m a symbols and meaning person, and apparently bored, going back to the Feng Shui compass, I thought "Dharma" being there was interesting, but why the swan. More interesting directions get LOST in... http://tinyurl.com/9gaxj

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 12:55 p.m. CST

    The washing machines! the washing machines!

    by nairbnyllednavkr

    Didn&#39;t anyone else notice that the washing machines were strictly 2005 models while everything else was 1978? Pay attention out there! It&#39;s a clue I tell ya! The key to the whole thing! Gurgle.

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Cromulent, you made me laugh.

    by The Funketeer

    Thank you.

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Brother_Marquis

    by Hobbs

    I thought the same thing when I read the diary. She says she saw what she thinks was a whale, but never definitively says that&#39;s what it is. A lot of other interesting tidbits - the Louisiana backstory, the bag which must have a knife in it but she&#39;s so obsessive about it there very well could be more to it than just a knife, the fact that she knew the woman Joanna that drowned and was suspicious about her death because Joanna was supposedly an experienced diver and should have known about rip tides, and her own experience hearing the voices in the jungle. It&#39;s very interesting.

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 1:53 p.m. CST

    another thing

    by Hobbs

    The diary writer makes a comment about the bizarre activity of the waves. She says she&#39;s lived nearly her whole life by the ocean and woke one morning with the tide rising so fast it was like someone "flipped a switch."

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Hey ghost

    by Dijonase24

    Tonay is a Whedon freak who has been spamming this site for the last few weeks with nothing but pro-Whedon/anti-everyone-else comments. You&#39;re arguing with a troll, and you know that no one wins when you argue with a troll.

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Hobbs...

    by Brother_Marquis

    I picked up a lot of the same things...the waves in particular. Big wave machine out there? LOL. Could be a number of normal events that cause increases in wave size/activity (i.e. seismic activity). But as we know, things aren&#39;t normal on craphole island. If someone was able to &#39;flip a switch&#39;, why would they want to? To move them away from the beach toward the jungle? To keep them out of the water for some reason?

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 2:22 p.m. CST

    the diary posts

    by zombieslayer

    which site is the diary on? I haven&#39;t checked that out yet...

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Diary Can Be Found...

    by Brother_Marquis

    http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/found.html

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 2:30 p.m. CST

    The 1st page of the diary for Season 1 is at...

    by Hobbs

    http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/diary/83071.html

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 2:33 p.m. CST

    season 2 diary is at...

    by Hobbs

    http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/diary/83071.html

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Thx Hobbs and Marquis

    by zombieslayer

    I&#39;ll have to check those out when I get home from work... those actually pay off, not red herrings, like the script pages? I love all the pro-whedon trolling- keeps things lively.

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Oops

    by Hobbs

    Sorry for the duplicate info there on the link. Not paying attention.

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 5:06 p.m. CST

    well that electromagnet may be how desmond gets his power

    by Holodigm

    and also, i can&#39;t believe i&#39;m the only one to notice this, the magnet completely explains why sayid&#39;s compass last year wouldn&#39;t point north...it kept pointing towards the hatch.

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Differences with the interior of the hatch

    by holidill

    One of the posters pointed out that the interior of the hatch was all neat and clean and pristine when Desmond wakes up, but when Jack is down there it is all dirty. I believe that there is more than one computer in the place and that Desmond does have a nice little apartment, but if he is out and a bout he may need to reach the computer quickly so to have another one nearby would be could. Or they could each control different things.

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 5:36 p.m. CST

    and about walt

    by Holodigm

    i keep playing it over and over, and i may not be able to play it backwards. but every time i play it i only get more and more sure what it sounds like. i&#39;m sure it wasn&#39;t intentional, but sure is funny. &#39;i have some milk duds, tell hurley&#39;. i swear that&#39;s what i heard.

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 6:13 p.m. CST

    First!

    by stvnhthr

    Hmm don&#39;t feel any different, just had to try it once. Great episode! Much better than the season finale.

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 6:50 p.m. CST

    ok, I&#39;m wrong apparently, Desmond is Scottish

    by Pegase

    Sure sounded dead on like James Nesbitt on some phrases... guess I&#39;ll never be able to hear the Northern Ireland / Scotland difference ...bloody trying though!

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Did ya ever think that the beginning scene was actually a flashb

    by Shermdawg

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 9:26 p.m. CST

    To clarify, I mean, maybe that was Desmond&#39;s apartment in th

    by Shermdawg

  • Sept. 24, 2005, 1:12 a.m. CST

    About this "theory" by Rousseau

    by Losteroo

    Ummm...nice try. While this little "theory" took a lot of skill to create. One only needs to notice that 16 years from 1988 is...OMG...2004! I think I know what happened to this Marseille Roussau. Unfortunately he dies somewhere in this "8th continent" But there is some good news...his wife still lives and runs around stealing children on this 8th continent. This unnamed book can&#39;t be found anywhere by Mr. Roussau on Google...but the above theory can! The wonders of Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V!

  • Sept. 24, 2005, 2:12 a.m. CST

    LOST INSIGHT!

    by michaeliceberg

    CUT TO: Paint drying on wall. Repeat.

  • Sept. 24, 2005, 2:15 a.m. CST

    "Project: DHARMA"?

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    So is that the name for this supposed military experiment that is going on throughout this island?

  • Sept. 24, 2005, 7:51 a.m. CST

    mirror conspiracy

    by zombieslayer

    okay, so now I&#39;m thinking that password and barcode I gave out earlier really is a red herring- that guy posting his crazy mirror theory does show up on other message boards. That&#39;s madness. I&#39;m really glad I got into this show- a friend had me watch the dvds, and I burned through them all last week before the new one premiered... good times.

  • Sept. 24, 2005, 12:45 p.m. CST

    A few things..

    by DarthCorleone

    1. Buffy is NOT sci-fi. 2. &#39;i have some milk duds, tell hurley&#39; - VERY funny. 3. Whoever mentioned it wasn&#39;t the only one to think about the compass malfunction when the magnet was revealed. It was the first thing that occurred to me (as opposed to a nanobot defense system).

  • Sept. 24, 2005, 1:47 p.m. CST

    wow, leave it to Tonay to once again make Buffy fans look like t

    by oisin5199

    As a true Buffy fan, as always I advise everyone to IGNORE Tonay and his idiotic ravings. And to the aptly named Douche and others, male Buffy fans are quite secure in their masculinity, thank you. There&#39;s nothing wrong with a show that reverses the usual guy rescuing girl paradigm. Your masculinity must be awfully fragile if it feels threatened by a tv show. And it wasn&#39;t cancelled. Joss and Sarah decided they were finished. And for the record, Firefly had equally ass-kicking men and women (except for Kaylee but she was just damn cute). So get over it. And oh yeah, this is a Lost talkback, which in my opinion has NOTHING to do with Buffy, except they both happen to air on television (and David Fury writing a few episodes last season, but that&#39;s it). And another easter egg: besides the numbers on the medicine, some of the numbers were on the graffiti, along with an eye, an M, and the word &#39;sick.&#39; I am sick. Get it?

  • Sept. 24, 2005, 3:53 p.m. CST

    goddamn that was a long read!!!

    by the_man_from_Rio

  • Sept. 24, 2005, 4:29 p.m. CST

    and here&#39;s my 3 cents...

    by the_man_from_Rio

    i gotta say this has been one of the best talkbacks i&#39;ve read in a while...learned a LOT about the show and had fun reading crazy banter about buffy (only seen a couple episodes over the years, and it seemed all right to me, nothing wrong with oogling over sarah michelle, cuz she IS hot, and is going to rule in richard kelly&#39;s southland tales, god knows she&#39;s been a porn star in many a fantasy of mine), and that guy thrall getting thralled by harry, that was classic. a short and uber sweet putdown...burn! c&#39;mon man, people should know better than to take on the headgeek in his turf. anywho...i hate all you bastards that have seen the season premiere. why? because i wont get to see it for another 2 to 3 months, cuz that&#39;s when it premieres on cable down here in this far away land, filled with the most beautiful females on this planet, so before you start laughing cuz i dont get to see it for a while, think about the kind of asses i&#39;ll be tapping...hehe...jealous much? but inside, i&#39;m raging with anger cuz i&#39;ll sure turn into a spoiler-whore as i&#39;ve become today. i just saw the season finale like 2 months ago, and although it wasn&#39;t as satisfying as seeing your enemy in high school break a leg in a soccer game, it wasn;t a total letdown. i used to live in miami (305 represent) when read the interview with jj abrams saying he envisioned the series to have something like 8 seasons, so i knew from the moment they found the hatch, the very last thing in the season would be them opening it... and guess what? i was right, playa! i treated myself to ice cream for that. moving on, somethings i found very interesting as i read this long-ass talkback: some guy wrote "fun with magnets" and he talked about the secret government experiment using high powered magnets, powerful enough to bring down a plane or 2 or 50, and this magnet being nuclear powered, thus, the necessity for the inoculations and the seclusion, and the whole underground tunnel thing, which nobody really guessed where it goes and what it does, only everybody is so sure it&#39;s all going to be destroyed. i can&#39;t blame you, i think it going kaput as well, not before desmond has a little expository moment, and is taken down by the nanites. that&#39;s the other thing i wanted to talk about: i personally think the whole nanotechnology thing could apply here, as long as this show is (so far we all seem to think so) about a big government experiment. i think they&#39;re the ones that are going to, if they haven&#39;t already, infect the survivors. they&#39;re so miniscule once alone, that can pass off as bugs, maybe that&#39;s what the government is trying to do, create these lil&#39; critters for biological warfare...who knows... i always thought the numbers were going to coincide with the number of people left alive on the island, like for example, 42 now, then 23 after the people start dying from the disease, then 16 left, then 15, well, you get the point...however...after reading what i think it was "tame the cunt" who wrote abou rousseau&#39;s mirror image theory. now, i&#39;m not sure if that&#39;s a real theory or something put on the net by producers to create the very thing that&#39;s happening right now, my utter confusion. i can only best express my feelings by quoting eric cartman : "this show has warped my fragile little mind"

  • Sept. 24, 2005, 4:50 p.m. CST

    you guys are not going to believe this...

    by the_man_from_Rio

    how could i forget to mention this? you know, now i&#39;m convinced aboot this rousseau mirror image theory. man how could i forget this. i mentioned i used to live in Miami. about 5 or 6 years ago, i was in South Beach at night with some friends, when we passed by this bum laying on the sidewalk. as we passed, he asked if we had some money to spare. i really didn&#39;t, cuz i didn&#39;t have my wallet on me, and told him that, but i dont think he bought it, and replied : "you and i are the same, kid. i am you, and you&#39;re me." my friends laughed as we walked by the man, but those words led my down a path of introspection that i almost entirely blame on the shrooms i&#39;d eaten the hour before, but i wound up forgetting about the whole episode right up to now. WHOA. that bum is my mirror image, and he knew it, man. what should i do? go back to miami, find him and ask him about the meaning of life, which he&#39;ll probably only disclose after i buy him a ham sandwich, or kill him, and inherit his power, thus coming closer to becoming the only me in the multiverse, a la "the one"?

  • Sept. 24, 2005, 4:57 p.m. CST

    oh...and one more thing...

    by the_man_from_Rio

    harry thralling that thrall dude was not on this talkback, but on another one...this one was so damn long u thought i read it here, if you were fortunate enough to check it out, u know waht i&#39;m talking about. ma b.

  • Sept. 24, 2005, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Anyone else notice the blurred-out comic book in the recap hour?

    by I Hate Movies

    It was toward the end of last week&#39;s 8 p.m. "Destination: Lost" special, during a scene of Michael and Walt sitting on the beach by some wreckage. Walt was reading "the" comic book, but this time, its back cover and possibly more were blurred out like they do with nudity or advertisements. I can only think of two possible explanations for this: Either the back of the comic book had something inappropriate or an unauthorized advertisement on the back of it that ABC only recently realized they couldn&#39;t show; OR, considering the comic book also had a polar bear that became a plot point, the producers realized the back cover showed some plot clue they didn&#39;t want to reveal yet after all. Can anybody confirm the blurriness via Tivo or tape?

  • Sept. 25, 2005, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Yeah I noticed the blurry too.

    by oisin5199

    hmm. I also noticed the strange disappearance of Tonay&#39;s posts. Maybe the island got &#39;em.

  • Sept. 25, 2005, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Actually, it was blurred out.

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    I don&#39;t know why. Kinda weird. Especially if it wasn&#39;t blurred in some places (as MikeTee says).

  • Sept. 26, 2005, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Yes, the comic was blurred. And here&#39;s why...

    by slone13

    ...when television studios license stuff, i.e. images, photos, video, WHATEVER, for use in their productions, they get it for a limited time and/or for specfic usage. It&#39;s all under contract. In this case, I&#39;m sure ABC/Abrams licensed the comic from DC for regular season air and (obviously) home video use. The "recap" episode did not fall under their original license agreement (how would ABC/Abrams know they weere going to need that specific clip later on for that recao special) so instead of going through the legal hassle, (Trust me, I work in TV. EVERYTHING is a hassle when you&#39;re dealing with other companies&#39; properties...) they just opted to blur it for that one shot. No big conspiricies. No hidden plot clue they accidently revealed. Just the Hollywood money machine. Or in this case, it&#39;s actually the "avoiding paying the Hollywood money machine with a quick blur" routine.

  • Sept. 26, 2005, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Slone13

    by I Hate Movies

    Awesome insight. Thanks for the info.

  • Sept. 27, 2005, 1:20 p.m. CST

    If that would have been the finale...

    by _Maltheus_

    ...then this show would have a lot less people upset with it&#39;s direction. Not that it was that good, but it at least gave something. That&#39;s all people were asking for. Nobody was asking for all the answers, we just wanted a bone. I&#39;m still thinking that Abrams has no idea where he&#39;s going when he writes finales. He just likes to leave them as open-ended as possible so that he won&#39;t feel bound to any direction. Dude&#39;s the poster child for ADD....... To all of you Buffy, anti-Buffy flamebaiters, I think I speak for all of us when I say, go fuck yourselves! I came here to read bout Lost.