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Quentin Tarantino spills on GRINDHOUSE!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with some awesome info on Grindhouse straight from the lips of Quentin Tarantino himself! MTV cornered him and got the names of the films Tarantino and Rodriguez are making for GRINDHOUSE as well as some info on the fake trailers they're making. Talking to Tarantino at the QT Fest we've arranged for an AICN exclusive interview when he comes back into town next month to prep GRINDHOUSE, so keep your eye here for further info on the world of Tarantino!
"His movie is called 'Planet Terror,' and mine is called 'Death Proof,' " Tarantino revealed. "Mine is sort of a slasher film, but instead of a knife, it's a car. ... His, he's dealing with zombies and all that stuff. I think his might end up being more violent, but I'm not finished with my [script] yet, so you never know."
The former video-store clerk, clad in a white button-down shirt depicting a dragon attacking a tiger, said he and Rodriguez are particularly excited about shooting fake "trailers" that will enhance the "Grind House" experience. "That's one of the things we're looking the most forward to, shooting the phony trailers that will play in between the movies. I'm working out my blaxploitation trailer, and possibly a kung-fu trailer, a sexploitation trailer, a spaghetti-western trailer. I just need to kind of work them out a little bit. I'm just getting them down there, but I think for sure I'm going to do the sexploitation trailer, which is called 'Cowgirls in Sweden.' "
Adding that the phony "Sweden" trailer will probably star some of the women already cast in "Death Proof," Tarantino said they plan to shoot their irreverent trailer-within-a-movie-within-a-movie double feature at the beginning of next year.
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Blaxploitation trailers? Kung-Fu trailers? I've never seen QT tackle blaxploitation, this should be interesting. Fucking Ass.
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...Although I'd much rather see Inglorious Bastards get made.
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oops, hit enter too soon. 3 rocks!
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Will do terrible at the box office, but I don't anyone will care. I can't wait to see this. And I can't wait for Inglorious Bastards either. There hasn't been a truly good war movie in quite awhile, I saw The Greatest Raid last week and almost asked for a refund. Benjamin Brat should never be allowed to act again.
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I had nothing to do a few nights ago and ended up at Harry's old Jackie Brown review. In the process of reading it I came to the realization that Tarintino is my favorite filmaker working today. Right in front of Speilberg and Scorcessie(sorry if mispelled). Heres the list of my favorites in order again since im getting in the mood to finish this paper for school. 1. Pulp Fiction 2. Kill Bill v.1(yep) 3. Kill Bill v.2 4. Resevoir Dogs 5. True Romance 6. Jackie Brown 7. Dusk Til Dawn 8. Natural Born Killers. Back to college.
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Good for something at least.
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Movie Movie was such a hit 25 years ago that they're making a sequel! Finally!!!
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please god dont let them fuck it up
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Have either of these guys ever had an original idea in their lives? This endless recycling of everyone else's ideas is one reason why movies are so boring these days. The more movies Rodriguez makes, the more his absence of talent is revealed. And Tarentino is just plain lazy.
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That guy wasted his talent on like 4 ridiculous kids movies. Thank god Sin City came his way. Tarantino, in my opinion, hasn't made a great film since Pulp Fiction. I think they are both awesome filmmakers, they just put their talent to waste. If I were eithers agent i'd slap them in the face with a fucking frying pan.
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unbelievable...
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You'd think "blaxploitation, kung-fu, sexploitation and spaghetti-western" are the only kind of movies there are. Try something new for once, maybe challenge yourself? I mean besides working with CGI. Tarantino's section of Sin City was easily the most boring. And maybe hire an editor? I know he's trying very hard to be an auteur, but c'mon. See the light.
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Hopefully Tarantino'll fit in some erroneous speech about superheroes again...
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http://tinyurl.com/bwjtr
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Better than most of the average joe audience crap coming out these days. I say bring it on.
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Pretty frickin' far. He had a pretty damned good movie, Reservoir Dogs, and an all-time masterpiece, Pulp Fiction, and it has been steadily downhill from there. Instead of making homages to trash cinema, he is just making trash. Grindhouse? Boring! And while Kill Bill wouldn't have been a great movie if he had kept it as one movie and edited it down to just under 3 hours, it wouldn't have been the fiasco of dullness it turned out to be. And Robert Rodriguez has just not been doing anything interesting since Desperado. I remember reading that he had made hundreds of short films as a kid, and I kept thinking that "hundreds" sure sounded like a lot. Kind of hard to make quality when your just turning them out. But that is exactly what he is doing now with feature films. Slapping them together and getting them out there. He has made as many films in the last two years as Tarantino has made in his entire career. Note to Robert Rodriguez: Take your time and make something great. If you can. Note to Quentin Tarantino: Nobody cares about Grindhouse, or The Vega Brothers, or another Kill Bill. Especially another Kill Bill. Inglorious Bastards sounds interesting because it is actually something different for you. So do that film, or really surprise us by doing something out of left field. You are now just like M. Night Shyamalan in that you have become a one-trick pony. Mix it up like Steven Spielberg is so good at doing. Jurassic Park and Schindler's list both in 1993. That is working in two very different genres. Try that.
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but whilst they're having a great time shooting these i hope they don't forget that the films have to also actually be good. Self-indulgence can blind you.
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You're still hung up on that Superman thing? Let me go over this one more time. Your problem with Tarantino is that he wrote a speech for a fictional character that included an interpretation of Superman that you disagree with? I seen a lot of crazy shit on the internet and I guess this doesn't really rank up there with guys who jerk off to photoshopped pictures of giantesses at Disneyland. But I would still classify it as a good one. Anyway, I think Grindhouse sounds great. It won't be as good as Kill Bill (or Jackie Brown, or the other two) but I bet it will be enjoyable. I was one of the people who would've loved to see the Tarantino Friday the 13th movie, but I guess I can settle for a one hour killer car movie. Unfortunately I don't think I will go with Darth Jesus because he will keep grunting and writing down notes about which characters say things he disagrees with about spiderman and garfield.
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"There's a motherfuckin' snake on this motherfuckin' plane, bitch."
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one9deuce...so you loved two of his movies, dont mention the great crime film 'jackie brown'...thought 'kill bill' was boring...and your just assuming this will be bad? sounds more like you want him to be falling.
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he can stick to whatever genre, whatever 'one trick pony' and whatnot he needs to do to satisfy his brain. if you dont like it, move on. seems you guys can bitch at just about ANYTHING.
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It's geeks who hang on his every word. From the very start of his career he's talked about loving the same kinds of movies and wanting to make those movies. Unlike Scorcese or Speilberg, he seems quite happy to be a genre director and he has ALWAYS worn his influences on his sleeve. The problem is that the man talks a lot. He seems like a pretty loquacious fellow anyway but when he gets talking about movies he won't shut up. So of course he's going to talk about stuff he'd like to do - kung fu movies in Mandarin and splatter movies and James Bond and Shaft and on and on - it doesn't mean he's going to do it. After the interview he probably doesn't even remember what he's said. But geeks post this shit all over the web and then cry about it for the next four years cos it doesn't happen. At least this one is going to happen
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He's going to sneak into my house and rub me with his beard now
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Let's get this movie made so Tarintino can get on with making Inglorious Bastards. Then Quentin can do all the blow his heart desires. And I will feel at peace.
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Or does he steal elsewhere now that HK films gained popularity?
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But gets egged on by fans to stay doing what he has been doing. Like I said above, he is a genre director and happy to stay that way but when he isn't being a smart-arse and going "Look what I did " he makes some interesting movies. I think Jackie Brown is very under-rated. I liked the downbeat nature, liked that it was an older cast. Remember he did that finale of CSI? Ok so he had the usual Tarantino stuff - the Dukes of Hazzard board game, the appearance by John Saxon- but what surprised me was that he didn't do what I expected. I thought it would be more gruesome, more focused on the gimmicks of CSI but instead he surprised me by making the show much more emotional than it usually is and making the characters a little deeper and more interesting than the sketches they usually are.
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Sep 21, 2005 5:57:17 AM CDT
Kill Bill re-runs locally at the Art House cinema every few mont
by lutz
Just making a point about what some people think of Tarantino's career fall.
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I see you never signed up for that Sarcasm Detection For Dummies class you were ordered by the court to attend.
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Just wait. He'll have so much fun with 'em, that they'll become trailers for actual movies!
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He peaked 11 years ago. Why do people still think he's a genius? Rodriguez will never make anything as good Pulp, but at least he peaked this year with Sin City.
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Tarantino
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And don't knock killer car movies, The Car was ace. Will wait with baited breath as to what Tarantino's full length film will be like, cos unfortunatley I'm starting to think he misguidedly believes that anything he can come up with is gold, when in realitily it's tending towards the brown stuff now. Has he run out of that pile of scripts he supposedly wrote before his breakthrough or what?
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...I suspect that Cocaine is now a major part of the "world of Tarantino".
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Sep 21, 2005 8:50:31 AM CDT
Trashterpiece Theatre! -- KILL BILL and SIN CITY Are My Two Fave
by zombiesolutions
KILL BILL was more like a piece of trashy collage art than an actual story, and SIN CITY was like David Lynch meets Mickey Spillane meets Bugs Bunny on steroids with a side order of meth. in other words, not just trashy, BRILLIANTLY trashy. that being said, QT is a huge bonehead and should lay off the coke and weed (at least for a little while). also: INGLORIOUS BASTARDS is never going to get made. i have full confidence, however, that GRINDHOUSE will get made; but who can do grindhouse better? QT, Rodriguez, or Rob Zombie?
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...had a war of the chins, who would be victorious? Would QT's "1000 Wiggles Per Minute Chin Flurry Attack" take Bruce to hell's most toxic inferno? Or would Cambell's "Blood N Guts, Eyebrow Faint Slam" shut Quentin up forever? What if they had an all out blaxploitation-zombie-samurai movie, with Quentin and Bruce taking on Leno and his evil corperate empire... or something? Can u imagine all three of those chins on screen...AT THE SAME TIME? (for British readers, Jimmy Hill and Bruce Forsythe would obviously play the older versions). Rodriguez would have to direct of course, with Raimi doing a guest scene...bah I'm to tired to add the detials, I'll leave that to the talent and wait for hte cash to roll in. *yawns* It's at this point in my reverie that I'm going to end with a chin based pun - feel free to add your own. "Bloody Chintastic!!!"
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Didn't Stephen King write like a half dozen books about killer cars? And weren't they boring as hell? If anyone can make the concept interesting it would be Tarantino... but I have my doubts...
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It sounds like a fun movie to watch. Yes, he's likely to swipe from "Children Shouldn't Play With Dead Things" or "Caged Women" or whatever, but so what? Do you sputter and whine that "Star Wars" rips off "Hidden Fortress" and "Dam Busters"? You do? Oh. Well then you're hopeless.
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But I'd like to see something totally different by these people. We've had this whole violence is cool-stuff by now. I'd love to see some serious drama by these guys. If they can pull that off, they are brilliant. Until now both of them have been very talented, but I still have the feeling that they keep repeating themselves.
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You fool! All those puny faces are nothing compared to the sheer chinnage of man-god Robert Z'Dar!
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I have a feeling that Quentin is planning something above and beyond "Maximum Overdrive" or other killer car movies we've seen. I mean, I'm sure he's planned a few crazyass action sequences that'll make people cringe, laugh out loud, or just say "Damn!" "Death Proof" should be violent as hell and hilarious at the same time. "Planet Terror" I'm not as sure of, since Rodriguez, for me, is real hit or miss. "Sin City" was quality, however, so I hope his recent foray into violent action films continues. Oh, and Flummage, in a battle of chins Bruce Campbell's "Blood N Guts, Eyebrow Faint Slam" would destroy Quentin's entire family.
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...that coke was behind the decline in QT's skills since I first saw him interviewed about what he cut from Pulp Fiction and why. His mannerisms, nasal affectations, attention span, energy level and general ass holiness are all pretty blatant signs of cocaine use/abuse. And if Kill Bill 1 & 2 weren't conceived during a three-day toot fest, I'll eat my own sixgun. QT was once the most brilliant script doctor in Hollywood. He could do dialogue like no other. He took a movie most of us would have never seen or heard of (City on Fire) and reworked it a bit to make a truly remarkable and beautifully sparse little film called Resevoir Dogs. And when he and Roger Avary collaborated, they came up with some of the best character-driven stories ever put to film (Pulp Fiction, while overrated, is a great cross section of character interaction and True Romance is right up there with The Professional in terms of having all its story and character ducks in a row once the bullets start flying - Natural Born Killers was kind of like True Romance's afterbirth and really isn't worth talking about). If I knew QT personally, I'd have tied him to a chair and detoxed him long ago...making him watch his own movies (post-Pulp Fiction) without any sort of chemical stimulation and with no one else to talk to while these things play in a loop (I'm talking From Dusk 'til Dawn, Four Rooms, Jackie Brown and both Kill Bills now). I'd bet after a couple of days, he'd be bawling like a baby about what a royal mess he's made of himself and then he might be ready to get back to what he used to be good at.
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It sure wasn't me. Yes, he's got talent, but mostly he is just a recycling machine of pop culture, and his own influences. But he makes films that are fun to watch, and beyond that does it really matter? RR is also talented, but he is ALSO just recycling his own influences. I'm guessing when these guys talk, they talk about the movies they love, not what the story structure will be, or what's at stake in a film, or how a character arcs throughout the dramatic triangle. They are not film students, they are film geeks who got lucky and had success. These guys are not going to be making "great" films by anyone's definition but their own.
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But fuck, this project sounds interesting.
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go fuck yerself. It seems to me the only ones who piss on tarantino and rodriguez are the fucks who wish they were tarantino and rodriguez but know they never will be.
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...you must live in if that's what you're getting from all of the very legitimate criticisms of Tarantino we've seen posted in this thread, calami-shami. Do you also just hear what you want to hear when other people talk about things you don't necessarily agree with or is it just a reading thing with you?
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Jeez, Ozu! I love your stuff, but, man! Talk about regurgitating the same thing over and over
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I goddam love the way he gets excited about movies; all geeky and stuff. You don't see that often, but I wish he would do something like Inglorious Bastards. Maybe because I'm too young and wouldn't spew geekness if I saw a violent homage to 70's grindhouse pics. However, can't wait to see it and that trailer idea is freakin hilarious; nice idea.
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I'm conflicted, because while I'm glad I don't have to wait another six years for another QT movie...he's really just making an homage flick. Kill Bill was just the right balance of QT originality and Kung Fu film homage that it worked beautifully, but this sounds like he's just gonna live some wet dream of his to make schlock films-and don't get on my ass, I'm an exploitation fan, but they are schlock, and that's why they're great-when he's gotta have at least two or three new ideas brewing in that big-ass head of his.
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I was just talking to some friends and guessed that Grindhouse would be comprised of a slasher movie and a zombie movie. I also expect some Fulci eye fun and an impaling or a bear-trap.
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...then let's see you do better!" argument. That's like throwing rock in rock-paper-scissors. Good old rock. Nothing beats that. Except paper. D'oh! And the emphasis on gore and boobies really strengthens your credibility as a judge of quality cinema. Plus you manage to throw in a slam on a movie you haven't seen yet. Congratulations, Flip63Hole, on structuring an almost textbook perfect example of everything that makes aicn talkback the Platonic paradise of rational discourse that it is.
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Sep 21, 2005 1:03:18 PM CDT
The French New Wave began when young critics there were confront
by oceansized
How many of you Taratino/Rodriguez haters actually think you could make better movies than these guys? If not, than why so much venom spewed? Something to do with your own shortcoming maybe? And if so, than the obvious question is WHY DON'T YOU? I suspect the answers to that one are along the lines of "Those guys just got lucky and I haven't". But if any of you haters have better answers, I'd love to hear them.
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It wasnt even a homage.Sure it had Pam Grier and featured some songs from famous blaxploitation flicks.But if anything it was a nice,slow moving crime drama.Basically an urban version of the book Rum Punch.You cant tell me Robert Forster didn't give a great performance.It was 70's cool.It's the type of film they dont make anymore.Or how about the scene with Jackson and De Niro at the bar.De Niro:"well..I..kinda thought she was with you" Jackson:"But you fucked her anyway".Classic
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Sep 21, 2005 1:17:18 PM CDT
Much as I love Jackie Brown, Reservoir Dogs and Quentin
by seppukudkurosawa
You best believe I ain't clicking that "Go to MTV.COM" link.
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...for either very clearly not reading the post above his about the whole "Let's see you do better" defense or for reading the post and deciding to go with the tactic anyway because he somehow thought a reference to French art history would lend the argument more credence. Either way, it was precious. You don't have to be a cow to know when the milk's bad, oceansized.
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When criticisms are filled with remarks like "never had an original idea" and taking about filmmakers "not challenging themselves", there's an implication on the part of the critic that they could do a better job.
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Sep 21, 2005 1:40:03 PM CDT
I Was Eating Some French Toast With A Side Of French Fries While
by zombiesolutions
in addition -- i loved KILL BILL. it's a trashterpiece collage epic of massive proportions. and it's easily my favorite of QTs movies, because it demonstrates that the man has completely and totally lost his mind. he no longer even bothers to write scripts -- it's more like a cut and paste job of other movies. he's like a remix artist. if the trajectory continues as i hope, this Killah Kar movie will be even more insane and retarded. btw, wheres the fuckin' KILL BILL Deluxe edition! put down the cokestraw and start making with the compilation!
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will this be the closest thing to kentucky fried movie we get in years?
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Sep 21, 2005 1:43:27 PM CDT
ChildeRoland, hate to burst your little pseudo-intellectual bubb
by oceansized
But your little rock-paper-scissors analogy, which I'm sure you thought was brilliant, doesn't make any sense the way you stated it. I have to say your overestimation of yourself is quite "precious".
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The point about whether or not the critics could do a better film is weak. You don't need to be able to do better to be critical of someone elses work. Because it's a personal opinion, and opinions are free. You DO NOT have to earn an opinion. So shut the fuck up already. Beyond that, could YOU do better than the critic? Huh? Couldja, neener neener!!!! :P
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He's obviously taking design opiums, and meth. DUH! I think he's a Horse man as well.
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And could I do better than the critic?! How'd you arrive at that? A lot of you seem to have trouble converting the brilliant thoughts in your heads into sentence form.
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...oceansized? I don't remember patting myself on the back for the obvious rock-paper-scissors analogy (which people with senses of humor about themselves and other things will recognize as having been cribbed from a classic Simpsons episode and applied with humorous intent to this situation, despite which you have completely failed to demonstrate its irrelevance or nonsensibility in the context of the issue at hand). All I did for you was demonstrate your inability to see that the "don't like it? do better" argument is old, tired, groundless and easily disarmed. It's been the battlecry of the mindless fanboy, fervently defending his icon (be it QT, Rodriguez, Lucas or whoever) since the first aicn talkbacker learned to stop hitting the "post to talkback" button more than once during the wait for the refresh. And if you want to talk pseudo-intellectual, let's discuss your condescending, juvenile response to Noeland. Didn't really say much of anything there, did you? The toolbox called. Even it doesn't want a tool as useless as you back. But we'll keep you around for yuks, Precious.
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Sep 21, 2005 2:11:54 PM CDT
Hey Childe, you still haven't explained how that joke applie
by oceansized
Probably because you can't and you hope nobody notices. And you obviously missed my further explanation to Greatn about the "don't like it, do better" argument. And my response to Noeland was immature huh? HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO YOUR LITTLE TOOLBOX REMARK TO ME? Ever heard of the pot calling the kettle black, childe? But hey, I know your coworkers at 7-11 are probably wowed by you on a daily basis.
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Sep 21, 2005 2:13:04 PM CDT
And Childe, since we're down in the mud now, only your mama
by oceansized
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Okay, first things first. "Inglorious Bastards" is Tarantino remaking "The Dirty Dozen." I know that in his little mind, he doesn't do remakes, but that's what it is. See, I think Tarantino is the inverse of Kevin Smith. Tarantino is an asshole who makes brilliant movies, whereas Smith is a nice guy who makes shitty movies. As for Rodriguez, I think he's a very good filmmaker, and, if nothing else, ballsy. Who else has brought back 3-D (as an example)? Besides, if Tarantino and Rodriguez are decendents of blaxplotation, spaghetti westerns and action movies, so what? Tim Burton owes his career to Hammer Horror films. Jim Jarmusch is John Cassavettes for the new generation. One more thing. To ABCDEFZ7 I think your Ozu reference is lost on this crowd, but if it's any consolation, I laughed. To Oceansized: the rock paper scissor thing is a Simpsons reference.
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No doubt both Michael Bay and Tarantino ripped off their own sources, and City on Fire is a brilliant Chow Yun Fat film, but the point is that Michael Bay ripped-off and made a shit film and Tarantino ripped-off and made a very watchable film.
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Sep 21, 2005 2:24:47 PM CDT
Spaulding, I get the joke, I just want to hear ChildeRoland expl
by oceansized
Still waiting.
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I'm putting that one straight to that gooey part in my head labelled: Soon to be Nostalgia. I get happy shivers just thinking about that time when that person referenced the simpsons. Doubtful it will ever happen again though. I still abide to that theory I came up with when I was younger when I said that the Simpsons were an alternative reality we can make allusions to in order to make this one seem clearer. I kinda feel like Homer Simpson falling down that mountain after trying to prove a lesson to Bart that risking your life trying to be Evil Knievil is not cool. Actually no, I feel more like one of those little people in Lisa's miniature world saying: "Why does God let bad things happen?" Like letting oceansize, an obvious troll (or a troll who doesn't know he's a troll- a movie in the making), talk complete and utter shite about who knows what...
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Instead of criticizing me without giving any reason, why don't you explain how that Simpsons joke applies to the argument I made. You should be able to if I'm such a troll. I'm sure your soulmate ChildeRoland would appreciate it.
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Go fuck myself? That's all you have? Your writing is about as dull as Tarantino's has gotten. ZombieSolutions, you wrote: "he no longer even bothers to write scripts -- it's more like a cut and paste job of other movies. he's like a remix artist." Your analogy is exactly what QT is now. A remix artist. I can't even come up with one line from Jackie Brown OR Kill Bill. I have seen them once each, but I can't come up with any dialogue. I could probably write the script for Pulp Fiction from memory, and my cousin and I were quoting from it immediately after we left the theater. Those days are long gone for QT. And for those bitching about poor QT getting slagged about his downward career trajectory, too freaking bad! It happens to ALL directors. Not some of them. Not a lot of them. ALL of them.
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Sep 21, 2005 2:55:29 PM CDT
Making idiots chase their tales around sure makes the workday go
by oceansized
tee hee.
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Sep 21, 2005 3:05:51 PM CDT
"Tarantino is an asshole who makes brilliant movies, whereas Smi
by zombiesolutions
i'd agree with that.
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OK OK, he's saying that you're bringing out another of the standards: "Make your own one better". It's just another of those auto-replies that mean nothing really, and don't add anything. Maybe you're one of those auto-people who mean nothing really, and don't add anything.
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Sep 21, 2005 3:15:26 PM CDT
"It happens to ALL directors. Not some of them. Not a lot of the
by zombiesolutions
i agree. have you seen anything by Coppola or Scorcese lately? yikes! but i actually liked KILL BILL the most. not because it was a better film than PULP FICTION (which i think, objectively, is his best. i think DOGS is ridiculously overrated -- good, but not as good as everyone says it is), but because it's so completely over the top and insane. it's so clear that QT has lost the ability to see the difference between films and the real world, and i, for one, find that super entertaining. it's like watching someone have a really fun nervous breakdown / psychotic break. SIN CITY has a similar appeal -- like this trash-art masterpiece. that being said, if Cokey-Mcgee ever gets around to the KILL BILL deluxe edition he can cut the entire scene with Bill's "father figure" guy -- it's completely pointless. in addition, he can cut down the final act by about 10 or 20 minutes. like the scene in the hotel? cut. also, teh credits don't need to be 45 minutes long.
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Sep 21, 2005 3:20:29 PM CDT
Seppukudkurosawa, do you find that explanation you just put fort
by oceansized
Ever heard the word "stupid"? According to you "I'm bringing out another standard that's just another auto-reply". Uh huh. I guess this answers who's the bigger nitwit between you and ChildeRoland. At least he was smart enough to just not respond at all.
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Sep 21, 2005 3:33:33 PM CDT
You really think there was a point in saying if you don't li
by seppukudkurosawa
And sorry for responding to you, next time I'll leave you alone...like everyone else I'd imagine.
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Sep 21, 2005 3:34:26 PM CDT
And ever heard of paraphrasing? It's a bad habit, don't
by seppukudkurosawa
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...you have some serious time on your hands. I don't, but I'll still gladly handhold you through the parallel between rock-paper-scissors as utilized in the Simpsons) and the fine art of aicn talkbacking. In the episode in question, Bart is playing rock-paper-scissors, where participants have but three tactics to employ in an effort to "win" the game. By forming their hands into approximations of the iconic "rock" (a fist), "paper" (a flattened hand) and "scissors" (two fingers extended in a V formation), they hope to select the one formation that will beat whichever formation their opponent selects and not to select the one that can be beaten by their opponent's selection. Some, like Bart, have even convinced themselves that there's a strategy to rock-paper-scissors and that the entire game isn't based on the hope that your opponent won't select the one iconic hand formation that will beat yours. Now look at the average talkback where some movie/director/actor/studio/etc. comes under fire. While there are virtually infinite perspectives and valid opinions that can be stated on any of these subjects, the vast majority of these threads tend to degenerate into a loop of uncreative talkbackers (like yourself) regurgitating the same basic standby tactical catch phrases: 1.) You don't/do like it because you're dumb/a fag, 2.) You live in your mother's basement and haven't been laid so your opinion is invalid, 3.) You can't make a better movie so shut up about this actor/director/movie/etc. The guys who throw out these arguments really believe they've latched onto some heretofore undiscovered (even if it most recently appeared in a post two posts above their own) unbeatable trump card in the never-ending and quite circular game of talkback. The irony is that if these guys spent more time reading the board and seeing what has already been discussed, they might be able to contribute something meaningful to an ongoing conversation - even if they disagree with someone else's opinion. But most of them are so pumped up on their Internet anonymity and mired in their own deep-seated insecurity that they just keepdesperately attempting to get the last word or spend hours calling out someone who hasn't given them a moment's thought. So, to sum up (because I'm pretty sure you'll need that) a thousand talkbackers before you have come up with the "you can't do better so shut up about it" defense for their favorite artist's work. Each as sure as Bart was in that episode of the Simpsons that his "rock" strategy was unbeatable. And each looked like just as much of a tool without a purpose as you have demonstrated yourself to be. Oh... and Precious is really more of an ironic nickname for you. Like calling a really fat guy "Tiny." There's actually nothing remarkable, special or even remotely valuable about you or your insights. They are quite common and boring.
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Sep 21, 2005 3:43:40 PM CDT
Well seppukudkurosawa, what I said was more explanatory than tha
by oceansized
And if you recall, you were the one that attacked me without provocation, dipshit. Now your trying to play it off like your too good to argue with me, when it's obvious your backing off because you know your overmatched. When you fuck with someone you don't know, you might be playing out of your league, Sepp. Try to remember that. And please do the world a favor and whatever you do, DON'T BREED!!!
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Sep 21, 2005 3:48:33 PM CDT
The best idea ever would be a Ghost Dog-esque movie about...
by seppukudkurosawa
Talkbacks. It can have the main character reciting quotes from Childe Roland's above post while the camera pans around his hands pumping the keyboard.
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Sep 21, 2005 3:52:42 PM CDT
Ye Gods: Ocean- I wasn't playing it cool, I was summarising
by seppukudkurosawa
Because any time I wrote anything over ten words you seemed to get all a-fluster and kept on saying I DONT UNDERSTAND!!! I DONT UNDERSTAND!!! ...and come on, you can come up with something better than "Don't breed". Why not, "Go fuck a canine so that the dog gives birth to fucked-up physically deformed man-cubs who get eaten by their mother because they resemble your face too much." Something with flair...
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Sep 21, 2005 3:53:08 PM CDT
The "rock paper scissors" analogy/joke is pretty self explanator
by kintar0
so he really doesn't need to 'splain it to you. it's pretty funny that you can't figure it out for yourself, though. it's even funnier that you consider yourself an intellectual. I could make a better film than Uwe Boll right now with my current level of filmmaking experience but I'm not required to in order to recognize that his films suck.
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Sep 21, 2005 3:56:34 PM CDT
That's it, huh ChildeRoland? Well let me explain to you how
by oceansized
I never said any negative criticism means one has to be able to do better. I was commenting on the nature of the criticisms in here, which IMPLY THAT THE CRITIC COULD DO BETTER. Did you miss that part, sweetie? I gave an explanation for my position, so it obviously wasn't along the lines of "you live in your moms basement" You did a lot of typing there Childe, just nothing but a lot of sound and fury, or in this case bandwidth, signifying nothing.
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Sep 21, 2005 4:00:29 PM CDT
So self-explantory you can't put it into words, huh Darth.
by oceansized
Or at least, you can't in a way that corresponds to what I actually said. You'd have to isolate just part of what I said, like Childe.
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Sep 21, 2005 4:03:38 PM CDT
Yeah Sepp, you kept it under 10 words FOR MY SAKE. Everybody bel
by oceansized
I think you take the idiot prize, Sepp.
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Sep 21, 2005 4:03:42 PM CDT
quote one post on this talkback where the criticism is "I could
by kintar0
Cut and paste it.
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Who let all these women in here? I feel like Im at home when my wife has her monthly visit from Mr. Cranky ... bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch SLAP
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...you aren't playing rock-paper-scissors anymore. Now you're just jerking off angrily while repeating "Rock beats toothpick!" over and over again. Good luck with all of that, Precious.
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Sep 21, 2005 4:15:15 PM CDT
Darth, It's not said outright, so much as implied. I said th
by oceansized
Remarks like "never had an original idea" and directors "not challenging themselves" imply that the person saying them thinks they can do better. Ever notice Darth, that professional critics, the well regarded one's anyway, critique the actual work, and not the thought processes and motivations of the filmmaker. That just may be because they realize what they'd be implying if they did.
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before being exposed to Ocean's interpretation of it. I like Tarantino, and I gather from your posts you do too- to tell you the truth, I don't really know- but to quote from the man himself: "Speak English man!" The reason why people are all responding to you but not your arguments is because your arguments are so half-cooked they're frozen. In fact, you don't really have any arguments. Like I said awhile ago you're a troll who baits people who hang around in the sunshine down to your little hole.
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And now look at your posts. Do you not see the irony?
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Someone making a remark like "not challenging themselves" doesn't necessarily mean they think they can do better, maybe not everyone watches a film and puts themselves in the picture as if they made it. Those remarks might just mean that they believe the director (or insert artist here) isn't living up to their potential.
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Sep 21, 2005 4:21:05 PM CDT
Once again Sepp, if you don't understand your commenting on
by oceansized
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Sep 21, 2005 4:25:47 PM CDT
So you think that all films are just somehow produced, without a
by seppukudkurosawa
I remember watching an interview with Tarantino (just to keep on the subject of this talkback) and he made a point that, if he went to work having just ran over a dog, it couldn't help but seep into the day's filming. This is why people are interested when they hear that Terry Gilliam's suddenly taken up crack and whores and has bought a bitch-pad with the "lost" millions he'd been saving from Baron Munchauson. Because it wont help but affect his work.
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Sep 21, 2005 4:37:07 PM CDT
Sep, if that was directed at me, it has NOTHING to do with anyth
by oceansized
You're a special one, buddy. And I do have to go now. Later all.
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"Ever notice Darth, that professional critics, the well regarded one's anyway, critique the actual work, and not the thought processes and motivations of the filmmaker." The motivations of the filmmaker are as important as the Best Boy, or maybe even the grip, now read my post again. The light burns your eyes when you've been down there for so long.
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10.) He has already cited the case of Pot vs. Kettle twice. 9.) He doesn't understand how either rock-paper-scissors or logical discourse work. 8.) He isn't really "oceansized" any more than he is "precious." 7.) He takes himself WAY too seriously. 6.) He actually thought his 7-11 comment was both witty and original. 5.) He either can't spell or can't type very well with one hand otherwise rock-u-pied. 4.)He created a redundancy in a paraphrase of a Shakespeare quote (this one's really unforgivable). 3.) He went right to mothers and used the phrase "down in the mud" in the same sentence. 2.) Eventually he's going to start chafing or go blind. 1.) He actually thinks he's doing well (wouldn't it be nice to go out with that feeling?). Seriously, Fisty McStrokeStroke, fun's fun but you're going to hurt yourself if you keep this up.
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Let's see: 10) The pot/kettle thing was relevant both times, so that one's worthless. 9)I understand both quite well, thank. 8)Gee, you've gone to the "precious" thing like 3 times now. I thought no repetition was allowed. 7)No more than you evidently 6) Wittier than your little masturbation jokes, actually. 5)Some typos. OOOH, you got me there. 4) This one's actually a little clever. I'll give you a point. 3) Yeah, you've shown yourself to be way above that. 2) Gee, that's like the 3rd or 4th masturbation joke. 1) Compared to you: Better believe it.
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Sep 21, 2005 5:10:24 PM CDT
You need to examine the pot/kettle thing, Childe. It applies to
by oceansized
But I guess since your so oblivious, then by definition you'll never get it. So in conclusion. let me try to be as witty as you: "Why you go jerk off, precious (Wow, I feel at your level already, Childe).
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...to your impressive forensics arsenal, Fisty. You're ever-so-impressive. And your typos are much more the "hooked on phonics" variety, demonstrating that you simply don't understand the language ("your" vs. "you're" and "Tales" vs. "Tails", for example), otherwise I wouldn't have bothered to point them out. All that and you still haven't managed to dissociate yourself from your original assertion that the critics of Tarantino's films in this talkback should explain to you why they aren't making better movies themselves, something you presumed they were all implying (and a position, I'll add for those keeping score at home, which puts you squarely in my rock-huckers category of talkbackers without resources). So what was all that about sound and fury signifying nothing? At this point, I could just stand back and let you continue to beat on yourself (read into that whatever you will). But I'm really not that nice of a guy.
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Sep 21, 2005 5:18:52 PM CDT
Although I'm giving up........I think masturbation's a l
by seppukudkurosawa
So you like your kitchen utensils? Great- clean your bread-knife until your hand starts bleeding, but please note that talkbacks, or even talking, aren't exactly your fort
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Sep 21, 2005 5:29:03 PM CDT
Rubber v. Glue, as if you're above name calling. Once again,
by oceansized
My errors are just due to typing out as quickly as I can, "fisty" I (More of those clever masturbation jokes. Did you just discover it?) I never disassociated from my original assertion; now your just making up shit. And again you misquoted what I said. The sad thing is, you're probably oblivious about a lot more than this. I'd like to meet you in person actually, Childe. You must be unintentionally funny. Can I hire you for my next party?
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Even when you read pre-Victorian books, like Ivanhoe, which are full of the most intricate language, there's still a certain fluidity about the prose. Ocean-sized, however, sounds more like someone who has recently been introduced to the Oxford English Dictionary and run amok. Now that you've gotten past O- and the word oblivious- call Childe an ignoramus, or a troglodyte; variety is the spice of life.
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You're clearly better at talking than I am. Maybe you should look up OBLIVIOUS in the dictionary too.
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Sep 21, 2005 5:43:31 PM CDT
Sep, I'm only using it because you and Childe keep personify
by oceansized
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that movie-makers motivations have nothing to do with the finished product? How does that explain Godard, Kurosawa, Peckinpaw, Raoul Walsh, Roeg and Spielberg? All film-makers with a single vision, who chose, and made, projects that suited their personality. And how about you go tell Johnny Depp that his motivation doesn't matter, it's acting after all, he doesn't need to bring any of his own experiences in the part. You just have to look the part.
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I never said a "movie-makers motivations have nothing to do with the finished product". I said words to the effect of: competent professional critics critique the work, they don't question the filmmakers thought process (which one obviously can't be aware of anyway). And talking's not my forte, huh Sep? Sorry, but once again the word applies: OBLIVIOUS!
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Sep 21, 2005 6:05:20 PM CDT
Band of Outsiders is nothing like Pulp Fiction, Fake trailers so
by winterchili
Jackie Brown is partly blaxploitation and Kill Bill is a great film.
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Sep 21, 2005 6:07:08 PM CDT
I'm getting pretty tired and I'm gonna have to finish th
by seppukudkurosawa
You said exactly this: "Ever notice Darth, that professional critics, the well regarded one's anyway, critique the actual work, and not the thought processes and motivations of the filmmaker". One can be aware of someone's motivations, maybe not as acutely as if you were in their own mind, but it's a human trait called empathy. And another technique of finding out what a director's thought processes were is by watching the film, yes, watching the film. You watch Close Encounters of the first kind and you can pretty much tell that Spielberg wishes he saw through the lens of childhood again... You listen to your "work", which are your talkback comments, and you can't help but realise you're one of those anaemics borne of ten generations of inbreeding. It is possible for you to break the chain you know. The next time you look at your sister, just say NO!
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You honestly think your talkback posts today are better than mine in anyway? Especially the one's with brilliant jabs like the two I mentioned? Sep, really dude, this obliviousness of yours is going to be highly embarrassing some day if you don't control it.
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You weren't paying attention to what I was really saying. I love most of the movies on your list, and in a lot of cases I like the sequel even more than the original. I'm not complaining about a director working in the same genre, or even doing 2 or 3 movies on the same story. I dislike when they don't know when to stop and we get the Star Wars prequels, Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome, The Godfather part III etc. Tarantino is at that point, and needs to do something different.
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Seeing as though I haven't succesfully proved that you're an anaemic folidimide fuck-tard. I am a failure. I will commit seppuku immediately, after commiting harikiri and tsuifuku. I am a failure as a man having fell prey to your oceansized masculinity. In fact that's another point, you have a bigger dick than me. And you have bull semen that pumps harder and faster than any woman can endure. They all cry for more of your oceansized manhood. I can almost hear them now, "Please Oceansize, come give me cunnnilingus and then fuck me to ribbons". Yes, that's what they're saying. You are a brilliant and fair king of the talkback, there have been none greater, and more wise, and unretarded than you.
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I found the character of the bride largely unsympathetic. The whole muting of her real name was like a joke long on delivery but in the end inconsiquential. The kung-fu was too long and grew tiresome. (Must every American movie director use Woo-ping Yuen give the man a break, and get someone new. Maybe some gunplay to break up the monotony)Tarantino's trademark hip dialogue (a fan favorite) was jettisoned in favor of long pauses meant to evoke a sense of granduer. But they really they came off flat. In conclusion, Kill Bill was more of a filmic exercise than a real movie. Tarantino only seemed to care about recreating the surface of of what he deems "70s cool" rather than have compelling characters and kinetic screenplays. I don't need 120 minutes of pure "shoutouts." Looks like he's back for more in Grind House. He likes playing pop culture professor these days rather than making movies. No wonder he's buddies with Eli Roth.
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Sep 21, 2005 6:36:47 PM CDT
Sep, sarcasm is the lowest form of humor. Usually only resorted
by oceansized
And hopefully that's that.
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What I said was Gawd's Honest Truth: You are the most unretarded talkbacker ever. And yeah I found Kill Bill a wee bit too contrived for my taste. Why? It seemed like the actors were told what film this scene was from and then told to make their dialogue sound cool. We're talking the man who surprised Elmore Fucking Leonard with his verbiosity, and the best he could come up with was something like, "I told you that if you moved I'd kill you. You really should listen more in future". It's a film that exists just the moment you see it in the cinema with a willing audience and then fades away to dumb action film Heaven (Steven Seagal took out Saint Peter with a rifle-butt to the head and greets all with open hands. When he feels like going to the vegetarian burger king in heaven he just gets his buds Chuck Norris and Dolph Lundgren to lend a hand). Anyway Ocean, we'll agree to disagree on the fact that you're inbred. I hear the mormons know a lot about your family backgrounds, I'm sure they'd only be willing too help- but please don't be too shocked when it turns out your mum is in fact the same person as your uncle.
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Sep 21, 2005 8:07:24 PM CDT
I saw this in a movie about a bus that had to SPEED around a ci
by oldmangimper
"The Bus That Couldn't Slow Down."
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Catholic High School Girls in Trouble!
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Give the guy some credit.
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don't you too realise that everytime this idiot shows up in media, everyone around instantly goes, oh shut the hell up! and the cult of tarantino worshipers is incredibly tiny yet they have websites and jobs typing reviews. get over it and realise you are 35-40 years old and having the emotional maturity of a 12 year old is not so good.
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is brilliant. i'm sorry. i will watch anything the man does. stop your yapping and just sit back until it arrives.
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is brilliant. i'm sorry. i will watch anything the man does. stop your yapping and just sit back until it arrives.
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And I'm glad. "Reservoir Dogs" is very good, but it's all downhill from there. QT knows what he likes in other movies and he simply rips off those parts. He's not an original, he just likes the "cool" parts of other movies and he uses them. What's the big deal everyone makes about him?
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...because I trust that anyone who cares enough about what a stance-shifting nincompoop like oceansized has to say will go back and do the research, but apparently oceansized himself has forgotten what he did to land himself on my "pet project" list. Here's what you posted, Precious, cut and pasted: "How many of you Taratino/Rodriguez haters actually think you could make better movies than these guys? If not, than why so much venom spewed? Something to do with your own shortcoming maybe? And if so, than the obvious question is WHY DON'T YOU? I suspect the answers to that one are along the lines of "Those guys just got lucky and I haven't". But if any of you haters have better answers, I'd love to hear them." This is just a wordy version of "I'd like to see you do better" with some very condescending shit about other people's shortcomings thrown in to make you feel smarter. But how is recycling a tired and fallacious argument clever? You not only didn't raise a point that hadn't been raised before in this talkback (two posts above yours), you regurgitated a tactic so old and tired that it's become a cliche that folks like Flip63Hole try to emulate for humor value. The thing is, you actually believe the shit you're shoveling. To me, that's highly-larious. Almost as much so as helping you find your mouth with your feet has been. So keep on yanking your own "pseudo-intellectual" crank if you like. Just like the actual act of masturbation, you're only gratifying yourself and you aren't creating anything of real value (you'd think I'd get tired of explaining obvious analogies but, with you, it never gets old).
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Sep 22, 2005 9:30:28 AM CDT
Tarrantino blew his load with Pulp Fiction, and Reservoir Dogs w
by capt. murphy
'Nuff said. It's not his fault really, it happens to a lot of writers and directors.
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...to find I'm not the only one who thought Reservoir Dogs was QT's best QT film (I think True Romance is the best he's ever touched, but it was Tony Scott and a note-perfect cast who breathed life into that on screen). Pulp was good, but not as pure or sublime as Dogs. I often compare these two films to Guy Ritchie's Lock Stock and Snatch. While I enjoy both, the earlier felt more pure and honest while the latter felt a bit overdone with the stars and the gimmicks and such. By the time he got to Jackie Brown, QT the director had become so obsessed with cool moments that he wasn't concerned about a cohesive, well-paced film as a whole. I enjoy Jackie Brown despite the fact that it needs an editor. From Dusk 'til Dawn I have in my collection specifically for schlock value. It's a horrible film. Virtually every performance in it is terrible and the story (what little there is of it) is a mess. It's like a third of the way through an interesting crime drama, QT remembers that he wanted this to be a vampire flick so he hits the vampire button and suddenly it's the campiest episode of Buffy ever. And the dialogue... just laughably bad. His segment in Four Rooms is a waste and Kill Bill is the most self-indulgent, incoherent, schizophrenic collection of coke-addled flashbacks ever. It's like what must've been running through Pacino's Scarface's mind while he was shooting things up with his M-16. And Tarantino's segment in Sin City would have been a great time to step out for some popcorn had I known it was coming. Anyway, I'm glad to know I'm not alone in this assessment of the man's work overall.
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....and I really have better things tro do than to read every comment here, so could some kind soul tell me what the hell happened with Inglorious Bastards?
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Sep 22, 2005 11:59:26 AM CDT
Sep, your complete lack of self-awareness is truly astounding.
by oceansized
You tried to back out of the argument without admitting YOU WERE OVERMATCHED by being sarcastic. As soon as I point out how lame your sarcasm is, you come back with the same unoriginal, unfunny inbreeding joke you used before. SEP, OPEN YOUR EYES. CAN YOU NOT SEE THE SPOTLIGHT SHINING ON YOUR COMPLETE LACK OF CLEVERNESS?? And coming back at me with one of your typical elementary school insults will only make it brighter. But of course, that probably won't stop yo will it?
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Sep 22, 2005 11:59:28 AM CDT
And Childe, your trying SO HARD to seem above me, you've now
by oceansized
You accuse me of "stance-shifting", then quote my first post word-for-word, AND THEN YOU'RE SO GOD DAMN STUPID YOU DON'T SHOW HOW OR WHEN I SHIFTED STANCES. Did you forget? As I read the rest of your post, I basically find that you disagree with me. WELL GUESS WHAT: THAT'S ALLOWED!! And you know what's really amazing Childe, some people can disagree without resorting to immature mud-slinging (If you don't believe me, see my exchange with Greatn). And in conclusion, your attempts to make yourself think that you're above me somehow are really funny/sad. "I don't usually do this". Yeah, my ass! Again complete obliviousness at how hypocritical you're being. Childe, please listen: You can't be above it all and talk about "pet project lists" and continue with the "precious" thing (I love how you condemn repetition but you've used that one like 12 times now. Yet another example of your oblivious hypocricy)at the same time. But you really do seem to have a talent for self-delusion. And maybe going through life in a state of ignorant bliss is the ticket. You may have it all figured out, childe.
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The summation of Tarantino's oeuvre in your latest post is something I agree with right down to the last letter. I found Kill Bill to be a ghastly exercise in self-indulgence. While viewing it I had the distinctly unpleasant impression that I was watching QT jerking off into the camera. Maybe I'll learn to appreciate it in time, but I seriously doubt it. Absolute shit.
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...oceansized. Just the repetition of the stupid or the cliche under the impression that its wise or original. You shifted stances when, after typing what I quoted above, you typed: "When criticisms are filled with remarks like "never had an original idea" and taking about filmmakers "not challenging themselves", there's an implication on the part of the critic that they could do a better job." You characterized this statement as a clarification of your initial point but, in reality, it was a reiteration based on what you inferred from certain critics on this board, none of whom had actually said anything about what they could have done better. Their comments were all about QT and the relative declining quality of his work compared to other works out there (the original idea part) and his previous works (the challenging part). So you went from saying all critics should make better movies or shut up to saying that only some critics - the ones you read in the way you wanted to - should do so. Then you went from saying my rock-paper-scissors joke/analogy made no sense in the context of criticizing comments like your initial post to saying that you did, in fact, get it... but you just wanted to hear me explain it (I knew kids in grammar school who did this when they hadn't done the reading). So there's another little shift in stance for you. You should really try and channel some of that rage you're feeling into more creative and snappy responses at this point (the oblivious thing you keep reiterating makes it sound like you found that on a word-of-the-day calendar), because going back over what's come before is just going to make you more frustrated. And Flip, I appreciate the young comment (I do so like to be perceived as hip and with it), but if I were impatient, would I continue walking oceansized back to the logical corner he painted himself into earlier to smell his own mess? I'm doing it for his own good (and the good of the talkbacks) so he'll know better next time. As for my views on QT, if my first post in reply to Brock Samson doesn't help illuminate my last post, expressing relief that others apparently share my general assessment of QT's talents and career path, feel free to ask me any question that would help clarify things. I'm all about meaningful discourse when I can get it.
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*sprays the room vehemently with fire extinguisher* All right, calm down, that should do it. *hic* Now, where's my honey...hey...aw, $*%&ing @. Wrong damn room. I'm s'posed to be at that 5000 year-old guy's party. Damn rooms all look the same.
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There. I said it.
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Sep 22, 2005 2:28:06 PM CDT
And yet more revisionist history from the Queen of Da-Nile: Chil
by oceansized
Clarifying one's position isn't the same thing as stance-shifting. Childe. Even if it was a "reiteration" as you said, that's not stance-shifting, so you just contradicted yourself for the umpteenth time. As for some of what you claim I said: I never said "all critics should make better movies or shut up". I never said I got the rock/paper thing in the context you put it. I said I got it by itself and wanted to see you explain it in that context. This is yet more of you deluding yourself so you can "win" the argument. And I know it's a really complicated concept, Childe but IT'S COMPLETELY RELEVANT FOR ME TO GO TO "THE OBLIVIOUS THING" 1000 TIMES IF YOU KEEP ACTING OBLIVIOUS. IT'S FUNNY HOW YOU KEEP MISSING THAT. And then the cherry on top of your little private fantasy world is your remarks about only participating in this for "my good" and "the good of the talbacks". Judging from the level of delusion you've displayed here, I'm guessing when you look in the mirror you see Brad Pitt's face and Vin Diesel's physique. And somehow I'm guessing you're not very "hip" or "with it", big fella. But if it's any consolation, I'll concede that inside your head, everything you've said makes perfect sense. Even the stuff that contradicts some of the other stuff. So you go, boy!
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This oceansuck versus cock roland (I'm a clever one) battle is retarded. You're both idiots for carrying it on for this long. Shut up. If you don't have anything useful to say, take the bitching elsewhere.
Back on topic somewhat...
My feelings on Tarantino's films go as follows: I think Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction are pure genius, plain and simple. Fresh, original (yes, I know that Dogs is a pretty direct lift from City on Fire, but he made a similar concept his own entirely) and overall great works. Jackie Brown, which gives Pulp a run for its money for my favorite QT flick, is a work of genius because it combines Elmore Leonard's eye for characters and story, QT's way of playing with dialogue and pacing, and the Blaxploitation spirit that forms the tone of the film. Kill Bill is an awesome film, but is a bit of a gratuitous homage-fest, making it seem like more of an experiment whereas his other films are truly art. That is all.
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The guy gets tetchy when you resort to playground tactics like talking about his anaemia etc. having earlier in this post claimed to have slept with a stranger's mother. The guy gets tetchy when you claim his justification for defending every single hack move the messrs Tarantino and Rodriguez makes isn't really up to scratch (though I admit I enjoyed Jackie Brown a lot). The guy gets tetchy when you question his randomly bringing up French film critics so as to appear outr
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Sep 22, 2005 4:08:14 PM CDT
Sepp. I could pick apart the stupidity of what comes out of your
by oceansized
I'm "tetchy" (Sep trying to use big words), that is my responses are limited, because your arsenal it so damn limited, Sep. And no matter how much I point it out, it's just the same skipping record from you. But you must agree with me this has gotten old, so please stop tempting me so it can end already.
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antidisestablishmentarianism. Now that IS a big word.
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so maybe there's some troubles in the message centre. Fact is "Oooh, tetchy are we?" is a pretty common saying around here. Well maybe not, but I'm sure it was on some carry on film once.
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...for oceansized while I tell Kamikaze Jones to piss off. I'm helping oceansized work through some serious issues (apparently he doesn't know how mirrors work and has some sort of thing for both Brad Pitt and Vin Diesel if his last post provides any insight into his madness). If a post doesn't interest you, don't read it. I made my comments on Tarantino already and you and I clearly wouldn't agree on that subject anyway. Now back to oceansized... I'm taking bets on how many angry posts you'll type to me before I check back tomorrow. Care to make a wager? It's really your one chance to be right about something this whole talkback... assuming you can control yourself.
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Is that before or after he's done with Inglorious Bastards, Jason Part 12, his Kung Foo film, the Vega Brothers, his anime film, and Kill Bill 20 years later? How many f'n projects is this "working on"? Don't get me wrong I love the guy: Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, Jackie Brown, and Kill Bill were all gold but come on Quentin: MAKE UP YOUR FUCKING MIND AND MAKE A MOVIE!!!
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From reading your post I must come to the conclusion that your either young, or weren't all that into film when Pulp Fiction came out. It was a ten on the richter scale, and absolutely changed everything. Tarantino going downhill from there is not my opinion, it is merely a fact because there is nowhere to go BUT downhill from that peak. ************** You have mentioned Leone and Scorsese twice now, and they just don't apply to what I am saying. Leone made The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly and then Once Upon a Time in the West after A Fistful of Dollars and For a Few Dollars More. And I am glad that he did because they are his masterpieces. Scorsese made GoodFellas and Casino well after Mean Streets, and they are far better IMHO. But Tarantino is not working at the same high level he was in the beginning, and if he was I would be all for him continuing in the crime underworld genre he was so good at. I'm sure there are two reasons for this: Cocaine most likely, and the fact that he wasn't a fountain of originality in the first place. ***************** You mentioned Eastwood and Spielberg as directors still making great films, and those are both good examples. But Spielberg is certainly not what he was in his prime. He made Jaws, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, E.T., and Raiders of the Lost Ark all in a six year span. I liked his recent sci-fi output of A.I., Minority Report, and War of the Worlds, and really liked Catch Me If You Can and The Terminal (for some reason), he just isn't working at the level he was from 1975 to 1993. And I can't explain Clint Eastwood. There is an exception to every rule, and I guess the exception is named Clint because Million Dollar Baby is a great movie.
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go engage in the act of procreation without a partner of the opposite sex.
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Alright people, this is getting out of hand. Facts: 1)ALL directors/actors/writers (on a long enough timeline) will make a bad movie. And I don't mean a movie that isn't great, but a movie that is just bad. 2) Tarantino hasn't had his major fuck-up yet. Everyone here has different opinions about his work, and that's fine, but not one of his films is universally reviled. 3) Tetchy is only six letters long, like Kansas. 4) Directly (or indirectly) telling this crowd to go make a movie of their own is a BAD idea, some one may actually do it. Too many teenagers (not that I'm assuming all of you are teenagers) armed with a DV cam and a home editing system are making shitty movies about their friends, starring their friends and that are only interesting to their friends. Leave the filmmaking to the professionals. Although, for that slim minority out there who might have something to say, have at it. Now, lets stop fighting and gather around and unite in our mutal hatred of Joel Schumacher.
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I went the first weekend and was anticipating AICN's coverage of the second weekend. They never printed *anything* about it. Anybody know what won the audience prize?
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I believe in credit where credit is due. I first heard about Inglorious in 1998, a long time before any mention of Kill Bill. He also said he was going to make a Western Papillon-type film. Was that 40 lashes?
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Sep 23, 2005 12:19:43 PM CDT
Gee Childe, looks like you were flooded with action on that bet.
by oceansized
So let's see. I tried to squash this, you're the one keeping it alive, YET SOMEHOW I'M THE ONE WHO HAS "ISSUES". And that mirror analogy I made was perfectly clear. The fact that you're trying to dismiss it like it doesn't make sense tells me I hit a nerve. Have a tendency to overinflate your ego there, Childe? Now despite all the times I've called you out on your hypocricy and seeming obliviousness, YOU'VE CONTINUALLY AVOIDED ADDRESSING THESE ACCUSATIONS. So I'm gonna put some questions straight to you Childe. How do you reconcile labeling me immature, then resorting to immature name-calling yourself? How do you reconcile implying you're above this argument (with remarks like "I don't usually do this" and "I'm just helping the talkback")when your obviously participating in it gleefully? Let's see if you still find a way to avoid these 800 pound gorillas.
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...oceansized. Monkeys, too. I wasn't aware that one needed to address accusations (some would argue that doing so merely lends them credibility, but when the accusations are as harmless and humorous as yours, I can't bring myself to get worried about that) but I'm bored today, so I'll play along. I definitely called you immature. You kept on being so, so I went there too. It's been fun. The "I don't usually do this" remark was about the direct quoting. I usually don't do it (go ahead and look back over the last several years of posts and you'll see it's rare when I do), but you really did need it. I am definitely participating in this argument gleefully. You're just too much fun to get all wound up, what with all your self-important and downright illogical huffing and puffing. Like I said before (which should really have addressed your accusations), I'm not a very nice guy. I never once said I felt I was better than you in a moral sense or above anything. Yet I haven't had to resort to as many different ploys to divert attention from the issue that got this ball rolling: your lack of originality, creativity and logical skills in putting forth that initial tired old cliche about critics making a better movie or shutting up. You, on the other hand, have tried to attack me on almost every conceivable level with some definite malice and obvious frustration. You want to talk about how you imagine my physical appearance for some reason? Whatever floats your boat. You assume I think highly of myself? I might or might not. Doesn't change what you typed or how stupid it was. You were clearly out of options and ideas when this argument started, and yet you struggle on. That's pretty damned funny and, "for the talkback," I'll absolutely do my part to keep you going. Kisses.
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Sep 23, 2005 1:17:12 PM CDT
I think if you take every one of Ocean's above points about
by seppukudkurosawa
and apply them to Ocean, then maybe you've got an argument. Saying "only your mama calls me Precious" is pretty damn immature. Getting annoyed when someone doesn't dig your analogies has been done before, it reminds me of a Simpsons episode with Rock, Paper.... And if anyone's keeping this argument alive, which ain't about the issues so much as it's about the quality of people involved, it's you. Well technically it's me at the moment, but I doubt this'll be The Last Post. I'm sure you've got the address: http://www.aintitcool.com/tb_display.cgi?id=21354#989412 memorised, and after it dips out of the homepage, to be replaced by news of that remake sequel, Herbie Crashes Into a Tree, and the new Snake Plissken movie: Escape From Kingston (the Yardies want themselves Snake's threads, but is he going to give them up and walk around Jamaica naked for the rest of his days...), you will still be here saying "you're stupid because you don't like me".
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Sep 23, 2005 1:28:50 PM CDT
Another film Tarantino should add to his other projects-in-waiti
by seppukudkurosawa
has gotta be Elmore Leonard's Unknown Man *89...someone has to make that into a film at least. Soderbergh? Hell, now Cronenberg's turned into Mr. Action Movie Man, even he could give it a shot. At the very least, Kevin Costner oughtta make one of Leonard's Westerns. Well no, stick with the Unknown. Not sure whether it'll come to light though after Be Real Be Boring.
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Sep 23, 2005 1:41:00 PM CDT
QT's a hack. That's why he went from store clerk to most
by www.valiens.com
You haters are off your rocker on this one--especially the dude comparing Woody Allen's decade + of shitty, hackneyed movies to QT's slow, steady wave of genius. (Well...I'll give you the "Jackie Brown" snoozefest.) Seriously, no one liked "Kill Bill?" I thought "Kill Bill 2" was his best movie since Pulp Fiction. I thought that because it was well-scripted, acted, original, and interesting--not because I'm a fan who needs to defend the director based on some decent earlier work, which is what I feel Woody Allen's base has become. If you think his stuff is purely derivative I think you're not seeing the larger picture. He's not to movies as P Diddy is to music: stealing songs, rapping over them, and calling them new songs. He's to movies what Michael Jackson is to music: taking an entire genre, perfecting it, and bringing it to the next level. I do agree that he's got to branch out eventually into uncharted waters. Try his hand at a period drama, maybe? Or slapstick? He may just be too much of a chortling, coked-up nerd for that, though. Branching out artistically is usually preceeded by some form of introspection. Kinda hard to introspect when you're watching Daffy Duck with a hooker on your cock, dreaming up different ways to make your lonely ADD-waah-nobody-likes-me-so-I'll-take-an-interest-in-shit-no one's-ever-heard-of childhood fantasies come to life.
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Damn, I'll have to throw away all my Stevie Wonder, Curtis Mayfield, Otis Redding, Sam Cooke and Marvin Gaye albums.
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Off the Wall Was another dimension to the Bee-Gees and Chic.
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You really are a master of believing your own bullshit, Childe. Pretend someone else with posts like yours gave that explanation. Maybe that'll help you realize what obvious hogwash it sounds like. And let's examine the logic of "I definitely called you immature. You kept on being so, so I went there too." So when you codemn a behavior, you respond by copying that behavior, huh?
"Bob, if you don't stop barking like a dog right now, I'm gonna join in with you!" Another great explanation. I get that you don't agree with what I intially said (and as I previously mentioned, THAT'S ALLOWED) But you continue hurling accusations like "self important", "malice and obvious frustration", and talk about "huffing and puffing". Childe, no matter what you may think of me, if you don't realize you're making accusations that apply to you just as much as they apply to anyone else, then you truly are OBLIVIOUS. -
...in front of someone else who was doing it would definitely get them to stop, at least long enough to realize how stupid it was. Seems that might have worked here, too, seeing as how you're posting far less frequently. Trust me, though, Precious...the only pain I'm in is my fingers from typing and my sides from laughing. You amuse and burn calories. You should have your own 3 a.m. infomercial.
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Really, hats off to Childe and Oceansized for producing the most entertaining bitchfight I've seen on the talkbacks in quite some time.
And to respond to your earlier comment, Childe, no, I can't not read your posts, as you douchebags are taking up most of the talkback slots anyway. You guys should just blow each other and get it over with already. *Braces for inane bitching disguised as intellectual speech* -
Sep 23, 2005 4:03:05 PM CDT
Mr Fantasto, you know as well as I do that there were 4 commies
by seppukudkurosawa
and I got 2 of them. So I win.
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I was starting to feel a little dirty about myself anyway. And here's a "get well soon" shout out to QT, just to get us back firmly on topic. I loved your early stuff, man. Ditch the nose candy and get back to writing good characters and dialogue. That was cool.
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Sep 23, 2005 4:38:19 PM CDT
Once again Childe, if someone with posts like yours claimed thei
by oceansized
I think even you have to admit you'd find it highly suspect. AND IT'S AN EXCELLENT INDICATOR OF HOW DELUDED YOU ARE THAT YOU THINK I'M POSTING LESS BECAUSE OF YOU. I'm posting less becuase this shit's getting old. And you seem to think the precious thing is still funny. Let's say for the sake of argument it was the first time. You think it's still funny the 58th time?? You evidently need your delusions like a fish needs water, Childe, and I know I'm not going to break you of them in a talkback forum. Now others in here are getting justifyably tired of us (To Kamikaze and Fantasto: I DID TRY to squash this yesterday). So I was thinking Childe; remember how you mentioned you were only doing this for mine and the whole talkbacks benefit? Well, frankly we're all starting to take you for granted. I think you need to back off so we learn to appreciate you again.
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Sep 23, 2005 4:38:29 PM CDT
I TRIED AGAIN TO SQUASH THIS. NOW EVERYONE WATCH AS CHILDE KEEPS
by oceansized
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Seriously, to quote Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, "Fuck you. Fuck you up your stupid ass." At least Roland had the decency to let it drop, whereas your "squash" really translates to trying to antagonize Roland into keeping the fight up. You're a retard. And not a cute, lovable retard, either. Go back to the pit from whence you came and leave us the fuck alone.********And thank you Roland for being decent and letting it go.
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This shit is getting old. So Childe will agree not to call you precious if you agree not to be precious. Good. All done. P.S. to take Fantastico's advice I will talk about Tarantino again. So here goes: he has a big chin, don't you think? You could almost say he looks a bit like a banana.
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Sep 23, 2005 4:51:32 PM CDT
kamikaze, you're thanking him for being decent WHEN IF YOU H
by oceansized
And besides, how much does it really bother you if now your joining in, dipshit? Here's an idea: LEAVE ME THE HELL ALONE!
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...you really got me thinking a weird thought there, seppukudkurosawa: What if they were to let this guy play the Joker in the next Batman movie? Bear with me (and die hard QT fans, please forgive what will no doubt come off as unkind slams on the man). Not only does Quentin have the requisite horseface, he's got the kind of deluded self image and insistence that he's the only one really "getting it" that the Joker would need. He's got the chronic ADD and manic energy level (although his is probably more drug fueled than insanity driven, most folks wouldn't notice the difference). And, to complete the picture, he is pretty darned clever when he puts his mind to it. This could well be the role he was born to play and you can bet he'd insist on writing his own dialogue - which could be a very cool thing (just, for the love of god, don't let him co-direct). I think this might be my new favorite idea for QT's next project. ********And you're welcome, Kamikaze Jones.
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Sep 23, 2005 4:53:35 PM CDT
People will leave you alone if you stop talking. That's som
by seppukudkurosawa
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Sep 23, 2005 4:56:56 PM CDT
Sep, I think of everyone, I'd love to meet you in person the
by oceansized
Why don't we arrange that? Please!!!
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it's doubtful he would have gotten this far to come across that amazing idea. I just got a very unsettling image of Tarantino in full-gurn mode turning into the Joker right in front of my eyes. Scary.
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Both Mrfantasto and I have our own opinions on Tarantino, and I would say they are both well thought out arguments on opposing sides. But you telling me to go jerk myself off is just dull. Maybe you can get in on Oceansized and Childe Roland's catfight if that is the sort of thing your looking for. By the way you misspelled my user name. It's called "copy and paste", or you could just learn to spell I suppose. Don't bother replying to me unless you have something interesting to say about Quentin Tarantino's career.
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Don't go sending any more business my way, one9duece. I just closed up shop for the day. Besides, I took a poke at calami shami two days ago and he didn't bite back, so he missed his shot at tough love. As for your opinion on QT's career, it's pretty close to the way I see it except that I don't believe he had nowhere to go but down from Pulp. In fact, I thought Pulp was just a slight step down from Dogs (but that's really a personal preference thing... Pulp felt too polished and almost overdone with the "see how cool we're being?" moments...it's still a damned good movie). I just think he dropped his compass, so to speak. He got distracted either by his own hype or the adoration of his fans or the harder, purer drugs he could suddenly afford and his subsequent work suffered.
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Start a fight? Just because I said you've got no redeeming features at all and you talk shit at every moment and, though I hate to use the word, are a grade-A hypocrite. Instead of taking out your aggression on these boards go put on a DVD or something. Romper Stomper seems like your kinda fare.
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Sep 23, 2005 5:15:46 PM CDT
Let's talk elsewhere Sep. You pick a chatroom or something.
by oceansized
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sounds kinda gay if you ask me.
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Sep 23, 2005 5:27:40 PM CDT
But I'm afraid we're going to have to postpone that litt
by seppukudkurosawa
I know I'm a large part of this, but this talkback has officially gotten too long. It has more words running through it than any chat-room gets in a week. So, and bait me however much you will, I'm signing out of this one. Feel through to look up hermaphrodite porn in my absence.
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Im sorry i told you to go fuck yerself deuce. I thought the humor in my last post was evident. i got fed up with people blasting films and artists that i love and went off. I really dont care what other people think of my heros. Yes QT is my hero but not in the sense that i stay up late at night wrapped up in a warm blanket in my bed dreaming of him in a fire fighter's uniform with bare chest carrying me out of a smoldering building, the moonlight glinting softly off his buick-like chin... anyway. I've never been bored at a QT movie. What I love about Tarantino is that the way he constructs his films (be they heavily influenced by other movies or not) you get completely sucked into the actor's performances. He doesn't really try and make you think yer not watching a movie. Its like if he did that he would be going against his own love for movies. Take the sound in Kill Bill vol. 1. In a movie they tell ya that if the audience does not notice the sound effects then you did your job. In Vol. 1 you notice the sound effects and they're completely off the fucking wall. There's gurgling and crazy spraying sounds and even what sounds like kuckles cracking under a megaphone. QT is NOT trying to create illusion here. You're supposed to go to his films and have fun, not analyze camera angles and depth of field and mise-en-cine. I think eventually QT WILL make a film where you're supposed to do that but right now he is having fun being a director. He made a couple of movies that won alot of awards and made alot of cash. He is a bankable name and he knows this. Now instead of churning out crap to win more faux gold awards or snatch a quick opening weekend he is creating entertainment with intricately detailed characters. How many fucking directors actually have FUN making movies. Speilberg shits em out like hes on an all fiber diet. Probably the only other director in the business that enjoys making films as much as QT is Herzog (that was a joke but can you imagine those two guys getting together and snorting white lines from inbetween the tendons of Uma Thurman's toes?). Where was I? Oh fuck it. Maybe I'd think differently if Tarantino had actually palyed Pai-mei instead of sobering up and casting Gordon Liuand yeah that cut scene from Kill Bill two with Micheal Jai White was too far over the top.
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Hey, wouldn't it be funny if these two knew each other in real life and were in love with one another, but online they hate each other? Kind of an inverted "You've Got Mail." (and the first person who smartassedly points out that "You've Got Mail" was a remake gets kicked in the nuts). *************On the topic at hand...The sound effects were intentionally over the top and noticeable. There wasn't supposed to be anything subtle in that movie. And I thought the Michael Jai White scene should have stayed in. Why not, it's the only scene he cut (U.S. Version). And how come no one's said anything about Rodriguez? We seem to have forgotten him a day or two ago. Don't forget, he directed "From Dusk Till Dawn," Tarantino only wrote and "acted" in it. AAANNNDDD....Tarantino as the Joker? Sad thing is, I can kinda see it, but Tarantino is a horrendous actor. At least Rodriguez has the decency to stay out of his movies.
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I wrote: "Don't bother replying to me unless you have something interesting to say about Quentin Tarantino's career." And you did have something interesting to say, so great. Look all y'all, I'm not comparing QT to Dr. Uwe Boll, or Paul W.S. Anderson, but I don't personally care for his recent output. I think he is in a creative rut that I fully doubt he will ever get out of. He has shot his load, so to speak. On the flip side, the opening of Kill Bill Volume 1 is as good as anything he has ever done IMHO. I think we can all agree on one thing: Another great Quentin Tarantino movie would be awesome.
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I don't have a problem with any of them. I didn't like Jackie Brown much after my first viewing but the second time around I loved it and I'm dangerously close to saying its even a better film that Pulp Fiction, at least on paper. What is with the Fuck Everything vibe around here? The man's a genius and you should give him a chance to do his thing. Respect son.
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one9deuce, you are not the only person in the world. you can shut the fuck up now.
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