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SPOILER!! My favorite part of tonight’s season premiere of NBC’s “The Office”? (Besides hot receptionist Pam getting hammered and snogging her officemates?) The bowler!
Tonight also brings the opener of one of Moriarty’s faves: “Nip/Tuck.” I only pray it holds him until this Sunday’s premiere of “The Desperate Housewives”!!
“The Office”: 9:30 p.m. Tuesday. NBC.
“Nip/Tuck”: 10 p.m. Tuesday. FX.
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just recently finished up the second season, completely addicted now. The first season was good, but damn, that second season was amazing, glad I waited until DVDs to check it out cause now I don't have to wait for the 3rd season. Didn't care much for the Office though, maybe I'm just too used to the original, but I'll give it another shot.
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I hate it when people try to incorporate British slang into internet posts. Pure shite.
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bugger off mate. cor blimey I'd like a shag with that filly. look at me I'm all English and gay.
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...to see how Christian survives the Carver. I was up for hours after that disturbing cliffhanger! I'm totally addicted to Nip/Tuck, but why's it have to be on so late? Some of us have to get up early and go to work, you know.
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Hahaha....the office is the funniest show on t.v.
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Yeah yeah, everyone involved in the American version is a douchebag compared to the original. Everything to come off that little island is gold and we Yanks are a bunch of schmucks. The queen could kick Bush's ass and dentistry is overrated. Nevertheless, the show was funny tonight.
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that was actually good tonight. and Pam is getting hotter.
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It could be great, but it consistently (and pathetically) omits to show natural and important scenes - like Christian and Matt's first interaction after they both know that they are father/son. And near the end of the second season, within the Carver arc, Christian is mutillated and nearly killed by that Bobulet dude, only to escape by episodes end - after which the incident is never even mentioned. Thats bad writing.
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Sep 20, 2005 9:55:24 PM CDT
Nip/Tuck is a Guilty Pleasure, it's NOT meant to be realisti
by darkfyre
That should have been obvious in the first season, especially when they changed Escobar's face and made him look exactly like another criminal on the most-wanted list. Anyone knows it's virtually impossible for plastic surgeons to make someone look exactly like another person. "Nip/Tuck" is pure entertainment, and is intended to fuck with the audience's heads. If you're only interested in "good writing," then you should look elsewhere.
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Though of course I think its also very much soap opera, but I don't think its bad writing just because it chooses not to sentimentalize everything, I'm perfectly fine with the show not creating a moment for Christian and Matt. Though I agree, I totally forgot about the Bobulet incident, it did happen towards the end of the season though, and the show has a tendency to let events slip away for a few episodes before it revisits them, so maybe its something thatll be brought up this season.
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constantly rewriting these stupid talkbacks cause an apostrophe and a spacebar somehow reset the page.
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How long can these shows stay on the air? I guess I thought the same thing when I caught the first few episodes of Seinfeld, but I certainly can't imagine my parents ever getting these shows. What would a Raymond viewer think of them? AD is so full of jokes that only long-time viewers will get that a new viewer must be dumbfounded. I'm just going to sit back and enjoy them while they last. Maybe the Office can ride Earl's coattails? Yes, Pam is hot.
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Man oh man was I let down :(
Following the amazing 2nd season ender with mostly a lame story about a woman stuck to a couch? Yes, I know it was meant to be a parallel to Christian's situation, but they can do better. Then Rhona Mitra and Kelly Carlson started making out, and my pants almost made me think it was good tonight, but no. BTW, I'm nearly convinced the new doctor is the carver. I knew there was something up with him last season. The only thing that doesn't add up is how he ended up back in Atlanta. Oh well, I have confidence it will get better. -
...it probably worked. When your episode is bookmarked by cunnilingus and a 3some, I think the "hard sell" is on. But who is the Carver?? If they have 3somes every episode, I don't think that question will even matter. *friendswithbenefits.com*
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the sex scene was felt completely out of place. it was like watching a cheap porno.
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and i think it's kind of an amazing feat that each version manages to have it's own personality. i think it would be great if they did a crossover episode; definately Steve Carrell should meet Rick Gervaise at like a company mixer or something.
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Sep 21, 2005 12:11:39 AM CDT
Smack me in the damn face if I ever complain about a Rhona Mitra
by kungfumanchu
Liz. Just a hunch, but I'd put money on it. At the very least, I think it'll be a female. The new guy would seem too obvious for an over the top show like this & they've said it'll be a known character. Matt would be a good choice 'cept for the f'n his dad thing. Even for this show, that would be too much. Liz has always had a disdain for the biz & Christian & I would imagine, is no stranger to a strap on. Guess we'll find out on the last show. BTW, did anyone else catch the "beginning of the end" tag for The Shield? I've always thought it would be a hard show to stretch more than 5 years, but this is the first I've heard of the end being near.
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And from the looks of the preview, more girl-girl action to come. God bless, FX. Now if they'd only bring Famke back.
Agree with Kungfumanchu, new doc is obvious red herring for Carver. I think if they go with a female to shock us, it would be Rhona. There's something dark, cold, mysterious about her that could translate into the psychopathic. -
I am hoping the Office does well this series. I like Steve Carrell, hopefully the show goes along its path. As long as they don't try and copy anything again, like the pilot. But that Gareth equivalent character is just plain crap. .............. "He's a fifties cockney con-man"
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Your diffidence to 'good writing' betrays something.
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Sean McNamara. I honestly think (at this point) that it will be a cheat (via N/T standards) if it's anyone else.
His behavior over the course of the series, esp in S2, has gotten progressively more and more bizarre. He frequently hallucinates. He more often than not successfully alienates those closest to him. A McNamara/Troy card was left at the scene of one of the crimes. I also find it very noteworthy (as revealed in tonight's ep) that for some reason the Carver didn't carve Troy in the same manner as previous victims (why? - maybe that wasn't the only time the Carver will visit Christian). It seems that in some ways Sean forgave Christian awfully quickly for his transgressions. There's got to be more going on there; it was too easily forgiven/resolved. Sean feels as if the last 18(?) years of his life has been a lie and he's losing Julia and Matt in addition to his identity. Who's the kneejerk cause of this? Christian. Sean's lost it. It wouldn't surprise me if Julia or Matt was the next Carver victim. Lastly - *if* this is the case - what's going on is a serious multiple personality disorder, the exploration of which an entire future season or more could be devoted to. It's also worth noting that the Carver is not a killer, a fact which could play into the resolution of the entire affair. There's actually far more evidence (on and off-screen [if you analyze the psychology of the characters]) than I've bothered to present. If you're a devotee, I hope you see where I'm coming from. I know on certain levels it seems far-fetched, but this ~is~ "Nip/Tuck"! As I said, it'd be a cheat to go another route. This could make the show even better.
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I've thought about the possibility of sean being the carver, but the one big thing that's holding me back about it is this: Sean is a main character (co-star in fact) of the show. Both Dylan Walsh and Julian Mcmahon have signed on to do a season 4, and while it would be a cool and shocking twist, I don't see Sean being revealed as the carver. What happens when the main character is a serial rapist mutilator killer psycho guy? He's going to be arrested, put in a mental ward, etc. Also, I don't care what Sean does, if he's revealed as the carver, then we cannot sympathize with his character. McMurphy (I think that's the writer's name) said that the season 3 finally will reveal the carver's identity, and season 4 will go back to being more about christian and sean and plastic surgery. Nip/tuck does some shit, The one thing that keeps nip/tuck from doing some outlandish shit is the possibility of jumping the shark(?) and losing viewers. This helped me put things in perspective when I wondered of Christian would be killed off by the carver. Would fans watch the show if Christian is dead? Nahh. Now I know you might think it's a cool idea if Sean is the carver, but I think a lot of fans won't like watching a show where the main character is the one who hacks up girls and sodomizes his best friend.
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Remember when she tied Christian to the bed and left those lipstick marks on either side of his mouth? The exact marks the Carver makes with a knife. She's been fucked over (primarily by Christian)but also now by Sean. Her career has gone from model to porn star - she connects all this with her plastic surgery, where it all started. The cards are left to fuck with Christian but like a true nutter, she kind of wants him back and thinks that her extreme behaviour will somehow help. Of course, I haven't yet watched the first ep of the new season so something might change this but it seemed to be clearly indicated in the last season that it was Kimber
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I can't believe I missed a Kelly Carlson/Rhona Mitra makeout session. Goddamnit.
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I'm so sick of idiots complaining about inconvenient time slots. Here's the best advice you'll ever receive: GET A DVR!! It's the 21st century, man, and this is how TV is meant to be watched these days. I got my dual-tuner HD-DVR basically free from the cable company and I can watch whatever I want, when I want, fuck the networks and their stupid scheduling games. If that's not an option, subscribe to one of the two DBS services and buy one. But don't ever, ever whine about a show's late time slot again! You're welcome; glad I could help. :-)
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Hahaha... I love that line. I do love how provincial the English get about their one or two television shows that don't suck. But lay off the limeys, mate - no better people in the world to have a pint with, and you know they got your back if a soccer riot breaks out or some shooting starts (unlike the punk ass Canadians and the slimey French). Australians = for the purposes of this email I consider you like the English, but with hotter chicks and better wine.
As for The Office, I can't believe I find this show so funny, since it's basically a recap of my week at work. Of course, at my work, they don't have anyone nearly as sneaky hot as Pam, who might just be the cutest girl on TV right now. If I were dickless Jim, I'd have had her in the walk-in at Chili's in about 10 seconds flat in under 3 drinks. -
I merely questioned why I had to be inconvenienced and take extra steps to watch a show I enjoy, while viewers of "7th Heaven" and "Joan of Arcadia" get to partake in their shows at a reasonable time. But it was strictly a rhetorical questions. I know precisely why: network fears of offending uptight viewers and over-protective parents. So, because of a repressed minority, I either have to stay up late, or record it and see it a day (or more) later. Okay, that was offically whining.
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The term "good writing" was merely my way of indicating that writing quality is subjective, and a matter of personal taste and opinion. If an individual doesn't care for a particular creative style, they should look elsewhere. That's all I was trying to say.
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I have "a friend" that works on the show and I know for a fact that the carver is none other than..................Billy Barty.
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lol of all the little jokes you guys make about the english, thats the one i love. where does it come from? we have the same dental products on our shelves, we all have a toothbrush, we all use mouthwash, we all brush twice a day lol... is it because I dont pay thousands to get those ridiculous platinum white george hamilton hollywood style teeth? its like me saying all americans wear cowboy hats! ah well i guess im the idiot for even bringing this up...
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let me get this straight, you're taking offense at the "poor dental hygiene" stereotype, but you're going to let the "Englishmen are effete little fruitcakes" one slide ?
As for the teeth, I think that ones mostly a legacy stereotype... I think the dental hygiene craze came a little late to London - at least based on my experience (limited as it is). There was a hilarious Simpsons episode over here once where Lisa went to the dentist and had a cavity so the dentist made her look through a volume titled "The Big Book of English Teeth" to scare her into taking better care of her smile. Who cares anyway - I'd trade teeth for "never uses deoderant" any day of the week. -
And they're all fat, right?
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im not really taking offense.. its just really important to me that people know i clean my teeth lol. Anyway, all americans are FUCKING FAT is a much better stereotype, i will use that one in future
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I watched this show for the first time. I didn't like it. I don't understand what the hoopla is all about. I'll give it another chance though.
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I agree that the Carver is probably a woman. Could be Kimber or the crazy new chick, but I think it is Julia. That would not be a cheat, and would be a way to finally end the torture that is Julia's character. I thought last night's episode was initially very disappointing and not even interesting, but the show got better and eventually reminded me why I loooove Nip/Tuck. Amazing that the same fantastic (pun intended) actor who plays Christian Troy also played the vapid Dr. Doom.
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...could be Kevin Hodgekiss, the guy Julia dated (2.14, 2.15). The actor playing Kevin is used to turn psycho...
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Everyone has a different person that they think is the Carver, and extremely valid reasons for him/her being the Carver. Know what that is? Good writing. (Also good writing that they got me to care about Mama. It's a kneejerk American reaction to look down on the grossly obese, and I'm as guilty of that as anyone else. The great writing for Sean and the Emmy-worthy performance from the actress playing Mama made her a really sympathetic character, rather than just pathetic. They could have treated her in a stereotypically shallow way and they didn't. Again, good writing.) Personally I lean toward the Carver being Matt, but the post above about Sean and MPD makes a whole lot of sense. We'll be waiting a while to find out who's right: Ryan Murphy told EW that the Carver will be revealed in the final scene of the final episode this season. Hell, maybe they could get all meta with it: the Carver pulls off his mask, and says "My name is Ryan Murphy. I write your show." Cut to black, see ya next season. *That* would get people talking...
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Interesting to see all these actors with thinning hair coming back with fuller mops, Gob from Arrested Development and Jeremy Piven come to mind, Carrel as well, though I think he's just styling his different cause I never really noticed his hair was thinning on the Daily Show or anywhere else except the first season of The Office he had the slicked back doo that made it apparent. Anyways, still not digging The Office, I don't hate it, but its not demanding my attention, it just lacks some kind of substance, or spark, something I dunno, just feels a bit empty. And the Carver has to be Alec Baldwin, there's no way you can top off the second season finale's suprise appearance by Alec Baldwin, unless you have ANOTHER season finale surprise appearance by Alec Baldwin! It makes perfect sense.
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So many of your reasons behind Sean NOT being the Carver are exactly why he MUST be the Carver. When I first started to seriously consider the theory, I said to myself many of the same things you did, and then I realized that these were the same reasons that it would behoove the show to go down that very road. If Sean is the Carver, the beauty of the revelation will be in HOW they keep him on the series and rehabilitate the character (this may also be the reason behind bringing a new doctor on the show). I sound like a broken record, but "This is 'Nip/Tuck'!!!". Oh, and "jump the shark"? I find it noteworthy that Dylan Walsh was recently quoted (in EW) as saying that N/T jumped the shark in the first episode of the series. This show is so about shark-jumping (like every other episode) that the only way it will ever *truly* jump the shark is when it begins to play it safe (i.e. your description above of a possible S4).
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Great post - it IS a testament to the shows writing that the Carver possibilities are endless. I'm glad that as an obvious fan you are willing to give my theory some props. I think another hugely telling scene was in the final few moments of S2 - the way Walsh played that scene to mirror was just plain ~weird~. Go back and check it out again. You read the EW articles as well - Murphy claims the Carver was intended as a one-off and they only brought him/her back due to a ratings spike. I think that's B.S. I'm sure the season had been planned out long before that. As he does onscreen, I think Murphy was playing with us in that interview as well. I'm going to go back and view S2 again shortly (as soon as I got my S2 DVD, I loaned it to a friend so they could prep for S3; just got it back last night) and see if I still feel as justified in my thinking. Lastly, your meta-theory is the only one I've heard thus far that tops my own for sheer audacity. I hope you're right and I'm wrong. ;-)
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And I'm even more convinced it's Kimber. Apart from the lipstick thing I mentioned above and the fact that plastic surgery and the quest for beauty have ruined her life, the final scene really seals it. When the cop and Christian are talking about the Carver, there's a third person in bed with them metaphorically - the Carver (who they're discussing)and then who shows up? I'm telling you - it's Kimber. Why else would she sexually degrade him but not actually fuck him up too bad? She's mental - she hates him but wants him to love her. But I agree with the posters above - the show is so unpredictable it actually could be anyone. I wouldn't put it past them to write it all the way through as Kimber then just go - fuck it - it's Julia. Interesting to note as well that the Carver made a big deal of using a condom - seems like the only character on the show who does.
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But is Kimber *so* mental that she would go after all those previous victims just to get to Troy? That's the hard-sell for me. Throughout S2, Troy could've given a shit about the Carver victims 'til Sean was carved. (Read inside Sean's f-ed up mind: "He doesn't CARE!?!? He's *going* to care!!!") 'Sides, I like Kimber too much for it to be her. Ultimately, there has not been a TV whodunnit this cool since Laura Palmer and before that J.R. (Would it not rock for the Carver to be Larry Hagman?) Speaking of Laura Palmer, her killer was - in hindsight - the most obvious person and also the one who exhibited the most obvious signals.
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But I don't think she's supposed to be going through them to get to Christian. She was going after models at first - the kind she used to be - until McNamara/Troy intervened and then (the way I see it anyway) she turned on them and Christian went from being one of the causes of her insanity to the focus. I don't see that Sean makes sense the way they played in in S2 with him getting ready to kill the Carver etc. Pretending is one thing but we had scenes where he didn't need to be pretending and he was still acting fucked up over the crimes. Unless they are going to pull some Tyler Durden move, which would actually be in keeping with this show. Have Sean arguing with himself in the mirror Willem Defoe style. I could see them doing that. Or how about this - Joan fucking Rivers. "It was one red carpet to many for Joan in Florida that year." I agree with what you're saying about the whodunnit though, Roj - this show is hilarious. I can't wait to find out where it's going. It's so crazy that until someone mentioned it above I had actually FORGOTTEN that Famke Jansen's character was a man. That would be most shows' defining moment.
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...asserted that IF the Carver IS Sean, he'd *have* to be suffering from a multiple personality disorder ala Tyler Durden. That's the whole underlying point to my theory. So I do not believe that Sean is aware of what he's doing, no. That aside, your points about the models & Kimber are very valid, which really just goes to show that everyone is so fucked up on this series that anyone could be the Carver. Arrrggghhh.... frustrating but great fun. And that Joan scenario would ROCK.
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Sep 21, 2005 7:06:22 PM CDT
If sean is the carver via multiple personality disorder, then...
by iamnumber1
We have to have a seen of him and the carver taking in a hotel room, and the carver says "I cut like you wanna cut, rape like you wanna rape, and sodomize like you wanna sodomize. Now go to sleep." Come to think of it, Sean being the carver sounds kinda tight. This is nip fucking/tuck after all
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Itd make sense why hes the only victim who wasnt raped.
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Sean McNamara. Let's see how dark this will get. Or at least he will be attacked again before the the end of the season, thus again throwing suspicion away from his character. Brock Tune - good point. Is that true? It ~sounds~ right. I can't recall who was and wasn't raped. If Sean is attacked again, I bet next time he'll even be "raped". If Sean is the only one who wasn't thus far, well, ahem...excuse me - I've got to go work on Jack-O-Lantern designs for Halloween.
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Carver, just isn't gonna happen, not even on this show. As for the Carver not being a killer I guess no one watched the previews of upcoming episides.
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Any show that can utter that sentence with a straight face officially has no boundaries.
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Oh, my. Oh lord. How embarassing. While I do watch the show, it has more to do with the genius behind the BBC Version, and Gervais et al. The USA version, argghh.
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in the previews, Mitra said she was looking for a sexual deviant who has control issues. Julia's current lover revealed that he isn't British. He has knowledge of drugs from his classes in the first season, and he is into the sex scenes that Christian goes to.
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Sep 22, 2005 12:29:48 PM CDT
"said she was looking for a sexual deviant who has control issue
by roj blake
That could easily describe at least half of the characters on the show.
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Sep 22, 2005 10:10:35 PM CDT
sorry the last 2 Rescue Me episodes were better than The Body
by magic_ninja
oh wait, maybe we needed a character to cry "I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY" or some equaly lame character ram his arm through a wall for no reason.
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