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So, rumor has it 2 actors are reading for The Joker soon...

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with an interesting rumor from BatmanOnFilm regarding the two actors reading for the part of Joker in the BATMAN BEGINS sequel. BatmanOnFilm usually have pretty reputable sources, but consider anything you hear about BATMAN as a rumor until they at least officially announce the movie is moving forward! The BatmanOnFilm site seems to have just gone down, but here is what they had to say:

Two of BOF's best - and completely unrelated - sources have confirmed for us that Australian actor Lachy Hulme (pronounced "Lock-ee Hewm") and British thesp Paul Bettany are the only actors that BATMAN producers are considering for the role of The Joker - at the momment. One of these two sources also told us that screen tests will indeed take place this fall, although it was unclear if one or both of these actors are testing...

In addition, one of these same sources told BOF that we were "dead on" regarding our report that Mr. Nolan will indeed return to The Cave once he completes his next project - which is said to be THE EXEC for Warner Bros.

I think Paul Bettany is a good suggestion for the role, especially since he's about to play the big Albino villain in THE DA VINCI CODE. Why not play the Big Albino villain (in the purple suit) for BATMAN BEGINS AGAIN or whatever it's called. Looking up pictures of Lachy Hulme... I'm not convinced. He looks like Dustin Diamond... now there's an idea for Joker... hehehe. I still stand by Crispin Glover as Joker. He's not only physically right for the role, but he's also batshit insane (although I must say he was very kind to me when I met him a couple years ago... just didn't want to be a total jerk). Bettany is an interesting choice, too. He is a villain in real life... Afterall, he gets to sleep in the same bed as Jennifer Connelly every night, the evil bastard! What do you folks think of this one?

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  • Sept. 20, 2005, 3:25 a.m. CST

    sorry but sean penn is still the dream

    by William Cutting

    nuff said

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 3:26 a.m. CST

    I trust Nolan

    by Poacher

    Batman Begins had perfect casting. I'm going to trust Nolan's instinct on this one. He's obviously not going for the same Joker that Burton was going for. If this is "The Killing Joke" Joker, then the guy's got to be a lot more sympathetic than the way Nicholson portrayed him, and I think Bettany could bring that to the role.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 3:27 a.m. CST


    by hargon27

    Bettany... intresting choice. He seems right for the role, I thought he deserved an Oscar for Master And Commander. Sounds like a good choice to me!

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 3:28 a.m. CST

    Sean Penn? He's NEVER do it

    by Steve Rogers

    Not on your left bollock. Forget it dude.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 3:30 a.m. CST

    Great choices

    by hallmitchell

    I think a lesser known is the way to go. My dream Joker would be someone like Jerry Lewis. Maybe Mark Strong or Perry Farrell from Janes Addiction.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 3:31 a.m. CST

    I hope they DON'T go with "The Killing Joke"

    by Hell_Bender

    I don't want him to be sympathetic. Having said that though, I don't want him to be played like a clown either - that worked in Batman 1989 and TAS but I ideally want the really vicious Joker from Arkham Asylum.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 3:31 a.m. CST

    Adrian Brody would be definitive

    by Krypton Kid

    He has the slender physical qualities and the acting range to accurately portray the Clown Prince of Crime. And have you seen his smile - rather sinister.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 3:31 a.m. CST

    Paul Bettany is fantastic. Seriously, makes as good of a Joker a

    by Lenny Nero

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 3:38 a.m. CST

    they both would be ok... though not great

    by mansep

    Lachy Hulme looks whacko enough, but i'm not sure how interesting he'd be, or indeed how likeable he'd come across... he looks a bit annoying. Paul Bettany seems a bit too handsome for the Joker and looks like just a blonde version of the actor who played the Scarecrow. Also, I feel that whover playes the Joker needs to be an actor equal in stature to Christian Bale for it to be a convincing battle. Someone like Edward Norton would be perfect. But whoever they pick, I'm sure Nolan will know what he's doing... as long as they use that Chelsea smile idea then I'm happy!

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 3:43 a.m. CST

    Quint's right... he looks like Screech.

    by SnowMann

    Crispin Glover, while all kinds of awesome, does not belong in this movie. Paul Bettany is great, but I'll have reservations until I see him in a Joker outfit. Had he not done the scarecrow, I'd say throw Cillian Murphy in there, because he can do sinister like none-other. This joker should not in any way be sympathetic. He should be a Joker would beat Robin to death with a crowbar, or break his own neck just to frame Batman. Killing Joke is great, but only because you already know the Joker. Being introduced to him and having him be sympathetic would be a shame. I like my Joker evil as hell and loving every second of it.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 3:44 a.m. CST

    The Penn Is Mightier...

    by abesapien

    Sean Penn is still my number one choice. Not only is he the Deniro for this generation but I've always felt he looked like the Joker. He'd be especially perfect if they went for a more serious Joker rather than the camp version that was played to the hilt by Jack Nicholson. I think the only way to go with the Joker in this version is to approach him as a serious psychotic who thinks something like murdering a pregnant woman is a really funny gag. Paul Bettany, Adrien Brody and Crispin Glover are also interesting choices which I would be happy with but Penn is the Joker in my opinion.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 4:01 a.m. CST

    Bettany would be another Brit added to the cast...

    by Dolph

    ...and all the better for it!!

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 4:03 a.m. CST

    I've said it before and I'll say it again - Christopher

    by hktelemacher

    Forget the fact that he was in Gone in 60 Seconds - this guy can play all degrees of creepy. Death and the Compass, Shallow Grave, 28 Days Later, Revenger's Tragedy. And I stand by the fact that Sean Penn would like RI-GODDAMN-DICULOUS in the Joker make-up. But I guess at the end of the day I wouldn't be disappointed if Bettany got the part. Or just bypass Hulme and just flat out offer it to Dustin Diamond - they could pay him scale, and EVERYONE in America would go to this movie to see Screech fight Patrick Bateman.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 4:23 a.m. CST

    Robert Downey Jr.

    by drewcaster

    Nuff said. Um, wrong comic company slogan, but you get my point.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 4:28 a.m. CST

    he is in "code"?

    by Kayfabe

    I thought it was the newest Doctor Who playing the albino hitman?

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 4:43 a.m. CST

    Bettany please

    by Bryan

    But only because his photo on imdb looks just like the damn Joker. I haven't seen his movies so I am probably wrong. I just want someone who is scary, a good actor and not particularly familiar. And that means not Crispin Glover. I mean I love the guy, but I can't figure out why so many people are fixating on him as The Joker. We can't have another icon playing this character. If it's Crispin Glover as The Joker, then all you will be able to think is "That's Crispin Glover!" And then you'll laugh. Are you seriously telling me that Marty McFly is scary? Come on. And I don't think he looks like any traditional drawing of the Joker either so I don't even see where that's coming from. Also, I would like to officially call a moratorium on the term "batshit insane," especially when related to the discussion of Batman, or I guess of nocturnal mammals. Also let's lay off on "bugfuck insane." The more you say it the more it loses it's meaning and then you just look like some weirdo obsessed with animal poo or sex with insects.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 4:51 a.m. CST

    Will moviemack...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...find it in his busy hater schedule to drop the vitriol against Kong and Superman for a brief encore Batman performance? Stay tuned, true believers - same mack time, same mack channel...

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 5:01 a.m. CST

    Either one sounds like they'd work

    by Holodigm

    But Paul Bettany is pretty badass...

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 5:25 a.m. CST


    by drevilbob

    I did some mokeups of the jokers based on different actors here: vote for you favourite...

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 5:27 a.m. CST

    CRAP ON A STICK...........

    by Ra Ra Rasputin

    Good call, make the Aussies the New Cliched British Villains. Australia Is The New Brit.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 5:30 a.m. CST

    F*** Crispin

    by zabbadoo

    This role requires a good f***ing actor not an actually insane person. If insanity was being considered as a qualification for the role we'd have heard of Sean Young showing up at Warner in whiteface and a purple suit already. LET IT DIE. IF YOU WANT TO FANTASIZE ABOUT CRISPIN AS THE JOKER WHEN HOMOEROTICALLY SPANKING IT FINE BUT FOR F***'S SAKE GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS IT'S NOT GOING TO F***ING HAPPEN. ahem. sorry. I'm on IRC too so I'm especially sick of that line of thought.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 5:31 a.m. CST

    Is There A More Perfect Joker Than Glover?

    by Flim Springfield

    Despite all the suggestions, no one else comes close for me.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 5:32 a.m. CST

    Oh, and here's another never before heard suggestion

    by zabbadoo

    Paul Rudd here's on that's probably been suggested. Hank Azaria. ok I go now

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 5:49 a.m. CST

    "LOCK-EE HEWM"? Whoa, that sounds exactly like me cutting the c

    by Man of Stool

    Despite having a cool name reminding me of fun activities, I hope that he`s a good actor.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 5:58 a.m. CST

    swing away!

    by Bodhizattwa

    I'd like to see Johnny Depp or Joaquin Phoenix as The Joker.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 6:01 a.m. CST

    Are they having a joke or what?

    by HarryBlackPotter

    Lachy Hulme? What the f**k? This guy's agent must be working over-time. I read his name on Batman-On-Film so many times now that I'm beginning to think Lachy Hulme must be related to him. Come on, this guy was little more than a jumped-up extra in the Matrix sequel. Paul Bethany on the other hand! Wow! Didn't even think of that one! He's always been the best part of any movie he's been in. I still think Christopher Eccleston or Crispin Glover would be great as well.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 6:36 a.m. CST



    Joker's face should be mutated in a BETTER more BELIEVABLE way than it was in the original Batman movie. I was thinking the best way might be if he was admitted to Arkham and he was in a straight jacket, his face drugged with muscle stimulants and forced to watch something so horrific that his face was forever frozen into that position. Then the rest is make-up so we can actually see his makeup streaking sometimes. Imagine your face being frozen into a smile forever. It could be the vengeance of a doctor whose daughter had lost her mother and thus the will to smile. "You stole her smile".

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 6:38 a.m. CST


    by Gungan Slayer

    Say what you will, say what you will, but Warner Bros should consider Hamill, I'm telling you. I do think that Paul Bettany is a great choice, and I don't recall him being on the list of Jokers we saw a while ago. If we can't have Hamill, which we wont, Bettany's good. or maybe have bettany and then hamill's voice?

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 6:55 a.m. CST

    Please stop with the casting rumors already

    by droog

    Seriously. Someone around here must know something about the filmmaking process. There's no official director or writer attachments, no script, no go-ahead for the sequel yet. So there sure as hell isn't any screen tests for casting. Wishful fanboy dreamcasting.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 6:59 a.m. CST

    The "KILLING JOKE" is...

    by Master Bruce

    no self-respecting A-list actor will want to get anywhere near this role after Jack Nicholson's flawed yet memorable performance. Shame.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 7:03 a.m. CST

    my two cents

    by liljuniorbrown

    I used to say think that Mr.Green Goblin himself would have been the definitive joker,i mean he has the joker smile,but i guess you can't be the main villan in two franchises. Crispin Glover is a great choice but i'd love to see Adrian Brody or Benicio Del Toro get the gig.Adrian Brody would be the perfect joker,i'd love to see him and Kevin Spacey as the main villans in a "Superman/Batman" cross over flick.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 7:06 a.m. CST

    Crispin Glover

    by Nairb The Movie

    You wanna know why Crispin Glover is a brilliant choice for the joker? Watch Willard... no not the whole movie, but the scene in witch Emery is telling Willard he is going to take his house. Right before Socrates dies. Watch Crispin freak out about "ITS MY HOUSE!" and then put that emotion as the what happens right after teh joker looks in the puddle and sees his face. B-E-A-U-TIFUL!

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 7:12 a.m. CST

    I called for Bettany as Joker a year and a half ago. WB must hav

    by SmarkJobber

    Here's proof: ( ). When do I get my parade? In all seriousness, I'm just glad all the internet petitions for Penn and Glover went without notice from WB/Nolan. Not because I don't think either would make a great Joker (well, I don't, actually), but to prove that this online petition fad is a waste of pixels and productivity.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 7:22 a.m. CST

    I guess this is payback for "Bridget Jones"

    by 007-11

    We've been casting Americans in important distinctively British roles for years. I guess that chickens come home to roost. I'm not overly opposed to a Brit playing Joker, but I have reservations about these two. I have been a big Bettany fan for years, but I don't think he has the intensity. This Lachy character? He's got a look, but I have nothing to base what his performance would be like. I know there is a huge cry for unknowns, but for me part of the fun of the whole thing is watching someone I have at least a passing knowledge of play the role. I was thrilled to hear Cillian Murphy was going to be the Scarecrow. As they say, kids got chops. You can go ahead and count me in the Sean Penn camp, that would be just too much fun to watch. He did that fucking Interpreter movie with Kidman, no reason to get all high hat on this.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Gentlemen, let's broaden our minds

    by designedforlife

    Paul Bettany is a perfect choice. Certainly fits with movie execs fascination with employing British actors as villains. Sean Penn is the only other actor close to doing the character justice. Crispin Glover for me is too cliched and obvious. At the end of the day it's down to who looks good in purple (not Prince again though please!)

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 7:33 a.m. CST

    Robert Downey Jr? Hell yes!

    by stlfilmwire

    Paul Bettany isn't bad either. Screw that Matrix guy.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Damn, it doesn

    by Judge Doom

    Just give him a purple suit goddamnit! Crispin Glover is THE ONLY choice. Any other and we geeks must make a mutinity, or something.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 7:39 a.m. CST

    I like both rumoured actors

    by John-Locke

    I wasn't really sure who Lachy Hulme was, I found this fan art of what he might look like as the Joker, he looks good to me & it might be better to have an almost unknown actor in the Role. Check it out Other suggestions from me, Micheal Keaton, Tim Roth, Paddy Considine, Dennis Quaid.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Denis Leary as The Joker!!!!!!!!!!

    by Shermdawg

    Nuff said.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 8:08 a.m. CST

    I thought I read somewhere that it was gonna be the skinny guy f

    by Regicidal_Maniac

    Mackenzie Crook. I agree.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 8:11 a.m. CST

    What about Tim Roth?

    by Darth Busey

    Or Guy Pearce?

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 8:17 a.m. CST

    That Bettany guy looks ok.

    by rev_skarekroe

    Hulme seems a little beefy. I'll always be a little disappointed that they didn't go with Glover for a whole lot of reasons. Of course, he was my first choice for Scarecrow too, but I loved Murphy's take on the character, so what do I know?

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 8:20 a.m. CST

    So am I still the only person on the planet who didn't '

    by TheGinger Twit

    but if they really want to have a good joker then I don't know. I still think Bale is the worst choice for Batman/Bruce wayne ever. not to mention michael kane as Alfred. Geesuz, I just can't figure this damn re-working out. Truely as bad as Batman and Robin but on the opposite end of the scale. They'll never get Crispin glover to play the joker. that's just to genius for this franchise. We'll get someone you never saw coming, and he'll be so un-joker but everyone here will love that wont they. I really have to compare Batman begins to something like Highlander 3 or 4. Trying way to hard to be cool, or good, or what ever. man I hate that film!

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Batman Still Knows What You Did Last Summer

    by Diana Rules!

    Would be the best choice for a title. Sean Penn, Michael Keaton or Mark Hamill are my personal picks. At least have them audition. The release their screen tests on the DVD. John Leguizamo would also be fun. Even if he's not the Joker, he should definitely be considered for a future villian. Maybe Reverse Flash?

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 8:25 a.m. CST

    For the love of God don't cast Lachy Hulme...

    by JackBurton

    Egotsitical tool, and completely over hyped so called actor. Paul Bettany though, that idea I like, I like a lot in fact. Definitely one of the better suggestions/possibilities for the role thus far.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Remeber when Jach NIcholson got paid $50M

    by Bill Fairbanks

    I wonder how much of it he's spent?

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 8:34 a.m. CST

    They Should Introduce Batgirl Before Robin

    by Red Lantern

    If they have Barbara Gordon in the second movie, as well as the Joker, it could set up a future movie down the road where the Joker cripples Batgirl. Robin can come later, if at all. Robin is not really necessary to the new movies, plus you'd have to re do the whole origin thing. Batgirl hasn't really been done in the movies properly yet. I'd really like to see someone do Batgirl the way she's supposed to be done.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Adrien Brody for Joker.

    by Christopher3

    That is all.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Oh my God, Michael keaton as the joker. Thats the greatest sugge

    by TheGinger Twit

    I'd actually go and see that! Have you guys caught sight of keaton lately? The man is just all forhead and wrinkles. He could be a sicko psycho joker. And he'd talk like beetle juice! fuck yeah mother fucker. Sign that fucker up right now

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 8:44 a.m. CST

    I Agree, Nolan Should Do Batgirl First

    by Spooge McDuck

    The new movies really take the place of the old. So this time, they should set up the plots for furure movies the same way Spiderman does. Someone hopefully, is working on doing Batgirl know, ot at least Barbara Gordon. It just makes so much sense, if you're going to have the joker in it, you should do Barbara Gordon at the same time. Possibly this could even be the new love interest for Bruce Wayne, since Holmes won't be returning. I can think of a number of interesting ways Batgirl could be done in this movie, maybe she has a conversation with Jim and he says something like, "Batman is great. If only we had two." Then she goes out and makes a costume and saves Batman at the end of the movie from the Joker, setting up his desire for revenge. People in the audience would be going "Whoa! She's gonna get it." So people would look forward to the next movie more, not less.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Hulme, only Hulme, no one but Hulme...

    by JaeZion

    ...would be right. Paul Bettany? Isn't he the wimp from that horrible Kirsten Dunst tennis movie? You know, the "real" roles she wanted to pursue that were so much deeper than Mary Jane.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 8:48 a.m. CST


    by JaeZion

    Other than Revolutions and Enter the Matrix, what the fuck have YOU seen hulme in, Jack-off Burton?

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Good Idea Spooge, There Are Several Ways To Do Batgirl

    by Red Lantern

    One new way you could do her, is to have Bruce Wayne injured and Barbara Gordon finds the new Batcave and costume. She figures out Bruce Wayne is Batman, but he's injured and can't save the day. So she takes out the Bat moblie and everyone thinks it's Batman. So really, the whole movie is about Batgirl fighting the Joker, and at the end of the movie Batman gives her a costume. That'd be a cool way to do her, I think. So two movies in a row, a Gordon saves the day. Kind of like a theme. How cool would that be?

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 8:59 a.m. CST

    There Are Really About 20 Ways You Could Do Batgirl

    by Spooge McDuck

    You could do her like Robin in the Dark Knight, have her take the place of Robin but be Barbara Gordon. Or you could do her like the old Batwoman character, completely unknown to Batman and vice versa. If it was me, I'd do her like the traditional character, just she comes first before Robin. I don't think anyone would really care if that happened, as long as everyone was satisfied at the end of the movie.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 9:06 a.m. CST

    how trustworthy is this when

    by ZO

    the guy can't even spell moment right?

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Forget Barbara Gordon...

    by Darth Busey

    When are we going to finally see Jim Gordon have a beer and cheet on his wife?

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Batgirl Could Easily Come Before Robin

    by Red Lantern

    It's not like either one really has anything to do with the other. It makes sense that she would come first, since they've already introduced Jim Gordon. So as Batman gets to know him, he'll have contact with Barbara and maybe she'll see some things. In fact, if Robin never came at all I don't think anyone would be too disappointed. They have a great chance to do Batgirl right here, so I hope they take the chance to nail her for the fans. I think we were all upset by Batman and Robin.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 9:17 a.m. CST

    I'm definitely going with Bettany

    by Anna Valerious

    I loved him as Chaucer in "A Knight's Tale" and seeing him as another not-quite-there guy will rock. BTW, I think that Barbara was in "Batman Begins"-Det. Gordon's infant daughter, even though the Dorling Kindersley book mistakenly identified Barbara as his wife.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 9:24 a.m. CST

    choices - #1) Christopher Eccleston, #2) Crispin Glover

    by blue1622

    They really better nail this...Bettany just seems flavorless and bland. Right physique, but just ehh. And Hulme...if you want a virtual unknown with an uncanny joker resemblance, here's two for you that can actually command the screen -Chistopher Eccleston and Crispin Glover. Few out of fandom, or the UK for Eccleston, would know them...but you can count on the asses of those fans being in seats opening weekend. Have to believe landing Beowolf might help Glover's chances. We'll see. Finally, Keaton would be just brilliant in any role they want to give him. Hope he shows up in this.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 9:28 a.m. CST

    TIM ROTH is the only choice for the Joker

    by jimmy_009

    I've said it before, I'll say it again, he would OWN that role.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 9:29 a.m. CST


    by DarthMango


  • Sept. 20, 2005, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Great minds...

    by DarthMango

    Dude we posted at the same time!

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Tim Roth

    by Sean38

    Yeah, I'm on board the Tim Roth as The Joker wagon as well. He would RULE.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Who Could Nail Barbara Gordon?

    by Spooge McDuck

    You'd really have to have a better actress this time than Alicia Silverstone. The current cast is so good, you need someone who won't be overshadowed. I honestly can't think of anyone could nail her that is the right age.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Bettany would be an excellent choice.

    by minderbinder

    Although I'd still love to see Glover do it.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Paul Bettany is the best choice so far, and here is the proof:

    by Bazka Berzerker

    Go and watch Gangster Number One. A solid british crime flick with AMAZING lead performance by Bettany. If someone really thinks he lacks the intensity, charisma and screen presence, you are going to change your mind after seeing this flick. In the movie Bettany is one of the creepiest, scariest, most ruthless, evil, psychopathic, sick bastards I've ever seen. Easily one of the top 5 psycho performances of all time. He is PERFECT for Joker, and truly inspired casting.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Yes Batman Begins was boring and the fight scenes were poorly sh

    by Regicidal_Maniac

    at least it was better than Frank Miller's new uber arsehole Batman All Star title. OMG that title is a load of shit.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Well, The First Movie Is Batman Begins, So We Can Assume The Nex

    by Red Lantern

    I'll assume the the Batcave will already be rebuilt at the start of the movie. So Barbara Gordon would be a teenager at this point, which if you read the posts, you'll see that one idea was for her to be like the Robin for Dark Knight returns, also a teenager. That's all anybody is saying, is to build on the first film. We all KNOW that the next film HAS to take place many years later. I'll also bet that Gordon is Commisioner in the next film. So for all these events to make sense, we're looking at at least 10 years and probably more. The first movie was a prequel, the next will be in current day. I really don't think the title of the next movie is going to be "Batman Continues To Begin."

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Bruce Wanye Meets Dick Grayson At A NAMBLA Meeting In Gotham And

    by ZombieSolutions

    soon they are wearing S&M fetish costumes and wrestling with flamboyantly costumed villians in various seedy locations of a major american urban metropolis. in a word -- Batman/Robin = gay vigilante couple. and that's okay, of course, i'm just saying.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 9:56 a.m. CST

    20 Ways to Do Batgirl.....hmmmm

    by Donnie_Drunko

    I have a book here that shows alot more ways to do batgirl than 20. My favorite being the upside down hanging anal screach!

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Lachy Hulme? Again? What sort of hoodoo voodoo is he casting on

    by riskebiz

    Just plain weird. I wish they'd discount Lachy Hulme and get him out of the way so we can all forget about him. He does not deserve to be in the same league with all these people. I just don't understand how he has been in the top 3 for Joker before Batman Begins was even finished filming. There is something definitely not right about his ascendence.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 10:08 a.m. CST

    The sequel has to take place within days or weeks of the first o

    by I Dunno

    The Joker card at the end? And you guys' casting suggestions suck. It shouldn't be anyone in the mainstream. That's what hurt Nicholson's Joker. Everyone was watching Nicholson, not the Joker. Crispin Glover is about as famous as they should get with this role.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 10:11 a.m. CST

    I think they've already set up Robin in Batman Begins

    by Snookeroo

    it's the kid who Batman throws the bat-periscope to; at the end of the movie, the same kid gets rescued by Batman, and he says "I knew you'd come". THAT kid is going to turn out to be Robin. Kneel before my wisdom.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Seriously, why has no one mentioned..

    by HolyCalamity

    Timothy Olyphant, the guy completely looks the part and he has the acting range to go from nutty/humorous joker to F'in PSYCHO joker at a moments notice...this guy will rock as the joker. check him out...

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Paul Dini's Take On Batgirl Is The Bestest

    by ZombieSolutions

    so cute! i'd love to see an animated series with Buffy style writing all focused on Batgirls' heroic antics. (none of which would fit the brooding, self-important, gothic detective Batman mileu... it could a separate/self-contained thing / series.)

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 10:19 a.m. CST

    I'm Assuming the New Batman Franchise Will Be A Trilogy?

    by ZombieSolutions

    saints be praised if the final film is an adaptation of Miller's THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 10:20 a.m. CST


    by Toxic Frog

    That was a ridiculously stupid decision in the first Batmovie. He is so crazy that's he's usually got a big grin on his face, but HIS FACE IS NOT FROZEN IN A PERMANENT SMILE. I repeat: THE JOKER'S FACE IS NOT FROZEN WITH A PERMANENT SMILE. I'm sure Nolan will lose that idiotic 'feature'.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 10:25 a.m. CST

    brad dourif IS the joker

    by fried samurai

    I cant beleive nobody's ever mentioned him.He's a better actor than anyone that's been rumoured or mentioned.The guy gives 110% in every role he does.Plus after seeing him in the LOTR films with that white make up he has the acting chops to pull it off...peace

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Steve Carrell

    by MidnightBomber

    I love some of the suggestions on here, but I would love to see Steve Carrell at least get a shot at it. He can get an insane look in his eye that could be extremely creepy if he was given the chance to do it.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Vincent Gallo...

    by Mr. Waturi

    He's the only actor who actually looks batshit crazy and he can act.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Batgirl could come in like this

    by TheGinger Twit

    A couple goons get attacked by batman, only he has tits and thats her advantage. Barbara gordon is introduced first of course so that she comes out as batgirl only in the end... just to make the film more interesting. or, to make the film even more interesting, don't have bat girl at all. Batgirl is fucked! so shut up about the stupid bitch. she was only introduced in the first place because ideas were running dry - oh, hang on i get it now.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Paddy Considine Goddammit!

    by Dick Laurant

    sorry if anyone pointed this out already, can't be fucked to read any posts today.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Out of left field but

    by Purgatori

    What about Vincent Ventresca from Invisible Man? The hair, the lean tall build, the crazy smile when he was all quicksilver mad? He's awesome. Since the fuckers will never make him Gambit, make him the Joker. I think he'd rule. But if not him Tim Roth would be amazing too.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 10:44 a.m. CST

    The Batcave Is Certain To Be Rebuilt

    by Red Lantern

    The first movie pretty much spelled it out at the end. When the new movie begins, we're going to see a Batcave filled with computers and hi tech stuff. Gordon will probably be commissioner, not necessarily hinted at, but that's my guess. The first movie was just a full length origin story. I think the plan was always to pick up much later. I'll bet Batman will be familiar with who the Joker is when the movie starts, and it will be assumed that they've had several run ins before. Again, that's just my guess, but the clues seem to be there in the first film.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 10:44 a.m. CST

    I'd been strongly leaning in the Penn direction...

    by Childe Roland

    ...with Glover being an acceptable standby until this past weekend, when I saw "The Jacket" on DVD. Not a spectacular film (kind of a latter-day Jacob's Ladder that just feels as if it's covering familiar ground in case you haven't seen it yet), but Brody in the asylum could easily have been The Killing Joke's Joker. He's now my personal front runner.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 10:47 a.m. CST

    I Agree, There Are A Lot Of Good Joker Actors Out There, But Bar

    by Captain Sulu

    Especially if she's a teenager in the next film. Any of the AICN pedophiles know a good actress who could pull this off? It's really hard to go wrong playing the Joker, you just laugh a lot and act crazy. Barbara Gordon's casting, can make or break this next film.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Check out Paul Bettany in 'Gangster No. 1' - a Nut-Job a

    by Rhett Butler

    Paul Bettany plays Malcolm McDowell in flashback - an excellent transition. More than handing the torch from Clockwork Orange's Alex.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Are we forgetting the greatest joker yet.......LUKE SKYWALKER!?!

    by Dallas1701D

    Goodness gracious, why have you all forgotten about Mark Hammil? He has brought the Joker to life for 15 years now, making him more evil, twisted and maniacal than he has ever been portrayed before. Some white make up and green hairspray and he would be perfect. He gets my vote!

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Mr. Gallo Is Too Busy Being Really Deep And Tortured While Getti

    by ZombieSolutions

    the Brown Bunny? how about, the Brown Puckered Hole? (Buffalo 66 was great, though.)

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Emily Browing As Barbara Gordon?

    by ZombieSolutions

    she's preternatuarally beautiful and a decent enough actress. y'all know who i'm talking about right? the girl from Unfortunate Events? she's gorgeous. i mean prohibitively young, of course, but in a few years? watch out.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Link To Ms. Browning PIc...

    by ZombieSolutions

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 11:20 a.m. CST

    The Joker should be Walton Goggins (Shane from "The Shield") cli

    by Cletus Van Damme

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Steve Miller as the Joker

    by ManosTHOF


  • Sept. 20, 2005, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Benicio del Toro, already!

    by rylen

    The guy has the look, has the acting chops, and is a decent-sized name. Paul Bettany? Lachy Hulme??? Say what?

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Paul Bettany would be great...

    by viola123

    I think so. Gosh, I didn't think of him, and maybe he's too good-looking to be The Joker, but they can make him wild. I like it. I want him to get the role - yes, my vote is for Paul B. :)

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Paul Bettany is perfect, next story please.

    by The Ghost of Marcus Brody

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 11:31 a.m. CST

    For those who say Barbara Girl was only baby


    I believe that was his son. I know he was never in the animated series or anything, but in the comic books, Jim Gordon had an infant son around the time Batman first appeared on the scene. Pick up Batman: Year One

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Unfortunately, the actor who'd kill as the Joker is already

    by R.C. the "Wise"

    That leaves my choices to consider for the role: Jude Law or Daniel Day Lewis(he can do anything!),

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 11:38 a.m. CST

    glover licks balls

    by reckni

    Fine line between clever and stupid.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Christopher Walken was born to play this role

    by The guy

    He would just RULE.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 11:39 a.m. CST


    by fitzcarraldo2

    See Paul Bettany in Gangster #1 for a scary psycho. Perfect choice.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 11:40 a.m. CST

    As far as you all knocking Lachy Hulme


    I have this to say, it seems like most people are knocking him primarly based on the Matrix. Watch the movie Four Jacks, the movie is okay, but he stands out. He is very darkly intense and has very good comic timing. That is the only other movie I have ever seen him in besides the Matrix. I know he has been in others, but I think people are too hasty to judge him based on a small role in his first American Film. I think they did a good job casting Begins, so I have trust in who they pick.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Walton Goggins seconded...but only after Eccleston and Glover.

    by blue1622

    Look at Shane's arc over the last 4 seasons on the's possible he's the best actor on the best show on tv (now that Carnivale's dead, anyway.) He really does look like young Nicholson, too.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Speaking Of Batman Begins, When Is The DVD Due?

    by ZombieSolutions


  • Sept. 20, 2005, 12:20 p.m. CST

    I wish I was sleeping in the same bed as Jennifer Connelly every

    by spikebad666

    She just makes me go WILD!!!

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 12:46 p.m. CST


    by radsmacka695

    pitch fucking perfect.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 12:49 p.m. CST

    this is bullshit

    by trevorfactor

    no one could possibly be better than nicholson's joker, also why even try? batman has enough villians that they don't need to back peddle already, here's an idea: bring out The Vantriloquist & Scarface (The Ventriloquist is "controlled" by Scarface, the ganster puppet on the end of his hand)or even better let Bane be the lead badguy and have him break Batman's back & will (as he did in the comics). Someone probably has posted something similar to this already but to quote Liam Lynch "whatever"

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 12:50 p.m. CST

    since this is the umpteenth Joker casting talkback, I'll vot

    by oisin5199

    Though Bettany, Roth, and Brody are all possible, Paddy Considine is interesting, while Sean Penn and Crispin Glover are ridiculous, I'll put my vote in for Michael Massee - a villain from 24 and Revelations and Carnivale. Though he has a strike against him for appearing in Catwoman (I only know from IMDB, not because I saw it). Anyway, he's the perfect balance of intensity and insanity and his smile looks so much like the Joker's it's unsettling. Too bad it won't happen cause he's American.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 1:01 p.m. CST

    alright fine

    by trevorfactor

    if you have to cast someone make it willem dafoe, I know he's already a spidey villain but he looks just like joker, in fact he barely needs makeup

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Fuck Batman, Fuck the Joker, Fuck Warners and their shallow thin

    by Nate Champion

    I don't understand why they're remaking Batman from 15 years ago when they can just as easily spend money to remake movies made 4 or 5 years ago!!! I vote for remakes of Gladiator, Spider-Man, and the Lord of the Rings trilogy!!! They made tons the first time, so why not just do 'em again????

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 1:07 p.m. CST

    I Agree, The Key To The Success Of The Next Movie Is In The Batg

    by Winky Man

    Especially if the start her as a teenager, because I assume she'll be around for the rest of the movies then. It really has to be somebody who's already a good actor. My guess is they'll go with an unknown, because I can't think of anybody well known either who would be perfect for the part. I honestly think if they can't get the casting right, they should wait to introduce her. Can anyone imaging being stuck with Silverstone for 3 more movies? I say do it right or don't do it at all.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 1:08 p.m. CST

    What about...

    by Capt. Spaulding

    Steve Zahn? Johnny Depp? Sam Rockwell? Jason Lee (and/or) Ryan Reynolds (can you tell the difference?) Sean Penn as the Joker?!? WTF? I can see it now: "I'm going to kill you, Batman, but first, here's why Jude Law is a great actor..."

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Isn't Kurgan Merrick the Joker?

    by fortheloveofgod

    A friend of mine said he landed the part ages ago. You can check out his pictures here. He's a musician from the U.K.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Sam Rockwell would KICK ASS as the Joker!

    by R.C. the "Wise"

    Great suggestion.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 1:18 p.m. CST


    by Mel's Rockpile

    An incredible actor. 'Nuff said.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Yeah, No One Seems To Be Able To Crack The Batgirl Code At AICN

    by PeterAst

    We got Joker suggestions coming out the ass (not particularly original or inspired either, for the most part), but no one has a clue about who could play Barbara Gordon. So don't be too tough on Nolan people, he's got his work cut out for him if he's gonna pull this off. The upside is, no one is likely to bitch either. Ah, who am I kidding? They'll bitch any way.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Jennfier Connely Should Have Been Cast As Rachel in Batman Begin

    by ZombieSolutions

    Ms. Connely would have been much more believable as the ridiculously gorgeous DA. Katie Holmes is cute and all, but came off more of like a petulant sorority girl. (oh, and thanks for the heads up greatn.)

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 1:32 p.m. CST

    How about Christian Slater for the Joker?

    by IamNumber1

    I'm sorry, I didn't mean that. I just had to say it was funny and no one else has (I think). Well, since they are trying to do Justice to the comics this time around, then the Joker should be a dude in his 30's, tall (like 6'3 or 6'4 or at least a little taller than batman himself), skinny, but really cut. And of course, he has to be able to have a big psychotic grin and good acting skills. Sean Penn is a good choice, but he is a little short. Tim Roth is a great choice, but he's kinda short and also getting up there in age with Penn. Crispin Glover is tall, cut, and also can pull off a younger Joker. Only problem is, he really is a psycho (I find it ironic how he dropped acid just before going on Letterman, and in Dark Knight Returns the Joker went on Letterman and killed the entire audience). I'm willing to make exceptions, cause Jack did do a great job, but I still the two actors in talks to audition would be alright.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Gotta Agree Batgirl's Tough

    by Prophet Jeremiah

    I'm even trying to think of her as an adult and I'm drawing blanks there too. Believe me, I'm cutting Nolan all the slack in the world on this one. Catwoman, about 10 immediate thoughts. Batgirl? Zilch. This will probably be some unknown's big break though, since Nolan does seem to cast good actors first, with only one glaring exception from the first film.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Lachy Hulme was in Crocodile Hunter: The Movie

    by -sfx-

    And he was great. Good choice.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Rachel Evan Wood as Batgirl/Barbara Gordon

    by Darth Busey

    That wasn't so hard...

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 1:44 p.m. CST

    There are lots of choices, any of which could possibly acheive g

    by Edward_nygma

    I've thought that Betthany was the best choice for Joker for a while now but Christopher Eccelston is kinda edging past him for me. He certainly looks the part, and after watching his great turn in Dr Who and seeing the wild-eyed intensity he had in the dalek episodes i think he'd be fantastic. Adrien Brody would probably be really good too. I'd love to see Micheal Keaton do it if he wasnt so short. And Mackenzie Crook looks so perfect for the role he should be allowed to screentest and give it a shot at least.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 1:49 p.m. CST

    I hate to say it

    by quadrupletree

    But I'm completely with Quint on this one, Chripen Glover all the way!

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 1:52 p.m. CST

    If all else fails there's still Willem Defoe

    by spumpkin

    Sure, he already did the Goblin, which is like Spider-Man's answer to the Joker, and that's a reasonable enough gripe and all, but I'm convinced that noone is better suited for the role. Sean Penn included.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Evan Rachel Wood, Of Course!

    by ZombieSolutions

    why didn't i think of that? i still think Emily Browning is gonna be a big deal in a few years. shes an absolutely beautiful young woman.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Phyllis Diller As The Joker

    by ZombieSolutions

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Umm, Snookeroo?

    by Anna Valerious

    If that little kid is Robin, then shouldn't he be part of a circus family? I guess they could go with Jason Todd or Tim Drake, but think about it...

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Paddy Considine

    by straygoat

    Paddy Considine would be an inspired choice - he's got the acting chops to hold his own with Bale, Oldman and the rest and he can do the unpredictable violence thing easily - check him out in Dead Man's Shoes and A Room For Romeo Brass. It'd be very interesting indeed to see him and Bale work together. He's a funny fucker too. Bettany would be a decent pick, though I'm not sure he has enough menace about him. Sticking with us Brits, Rhys Iffans could be an unusual choice...he could easily look the part and he can play unbalanced characters...check him out in Enduring Love.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Ok enough with the Sean Penn/Crispin glover stuff

    by Thirteen 13

    It won't be Sean Penn because 1) He is awful for the role and 2) He would never play the role to begin with. He is way to much of a Hollywood elitist who wouldn't lower himself to be in a movie that is made for the rabble. Unless it offers the chance for another golden statue for his fireplace mantle he won't do it. While Crispin Glover is an interesting choice he is just too batshit insane to even do something as simple as pick up his phone to answer the casting call, because he is too busy putting together puzzles underwater in his pool or something just as weird.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 2:11 p.m. CST

    this string has been crowned king of repeat posts

    by fenstersaysWTF

    do any of you dumasses read the talkback before you throw your two cents in? This is painful to witness for the love of god people read first then add your thoughts ya bunch of four ass'd monkeys

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 2:15 p.m. CST

    this string has been crowned king of repeat posts

    by ZombieSolutions

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Halli Ashton as Batgirl

    by rev_skarekroe

    So what if she's a porn star?

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 2:20 p.m. CST

    There is no way

    by ClarkK82

    Don't hold your breath for the sequel to be 10 years or whatever in the future. It just won't happen. There is also absolutely no reason to even start thinking about the Batgirl part. If this series continues for years and years and years she might one day show up. Right now they aren't even thinking about Robin in the foreseeable furute. The only reason she ever got brought up is because of The Killing Joke, and no one from the studio has even mentioned that it will be the source materiel for the Joker story. Bale is not going to magically age 10 years out of no where and neither is Oldman. Batman Begins was based in REALISM and you can expect that to continue. Also be prepeared to watch things "finally start rolling" or whatever Gordan says at the end of the movie. Just let thing unfold at a natural pace and we won't get the crapfest that became the last series.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Re: Sean Penn's "Elitism"

    by Darth Busey

    Umm, you guys are aware that he was on "Viva La Bam" this past year, right? He is not as elitist as you think.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Re: Batgirl

    by Darth Busey

    Its not so much that we want Batgirl to be in it, but we want Barbara Gordon to get paralyzed by the Joker. I agree it would be hard to condense this in a movie or two.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 2:26 p.m. CST


    by kiddae

    Great story. Glover would be a terrible Joker. Paul Bettany would be an excellent Joker!

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 2:27 p.m. CST

    I was hoping no Joker

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    maybe just set him up, but let him kind of be a background villain for a film or two so when he does become a main villain there's actually some gravitas to it. I was hoping the sequels would progress more like The Long Halloween and Dark Victory progressed from Miller's Year One, except without all the villain cameos.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 2:34 p.m. CST

    'Hey McFly! I thought I told you never to go near that fucki

    by performingmonkey

    I'd like to see Glover as The Joker (just check out his imdb pics from Sundance, he looks like Jack Napier should look) but you all know it won't happen and never was going to happen. Well, maybe ten years ago but not now. And FUCK Penn, right in the eye. Bettany would work I think. I'd be happy if Nolan went with him. But now I'm thinking about Glover again. Someone should speak to Nolan and ask him to consider Glover. I wonder if he's too insane to want to take the role? I think too many people remember the shit around the Back To The Future sequels and are scared of him. Think McFly, think.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Joker #1

    by Brit Pop

    If Paul Bettany is casting for Joker... good look to him! Anyone who's seen Gangster #1 will know what I mean!!

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Adrien Brody!!

    by MrFloppy

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Paul Bettany would be alright, but Adrian Brody is the way to go

    by brokentusk

    A. He has the looks (or the nose), B. He has the acting ability, and C. He'd actually do it.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Actual Insanity

    by monorail77

    One guy said to stop thinking about Glover because actual insanity is not required for the role. If it was, that guy suggested Sean Young. That made me laugh. It also got me to thinking - why not cast an insane actor! Think of the possibilities: Margot Kidder for the Joker!!!

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Damn you, Darth Busey!

    by REDFIELD8

    I was scrolling down the talkback and she was the first name that came to my mind when the Batgirl topic was pointed out! You quick bastard! Anyway, there are four names that should be taken into account in this particular choice: Evan Rachel Wood (PERFECT for the role... and sexy as hell in "Thirteen"), Emily Browning (the best asset of "Lemony Snicket" next to Jim Carrey... and will be one of the hottest women on Earth in a few years), Bryce Dallas Howard (liked her performance in "The Woods"), and finally, a very obvous choice that nobody mentioned: DAKOTA FANNING! Seriously, if they're taking the teenage/young Batgirl approach (a la Robin from "Dark Knight Returns"), it's a perfectly valid casting choice. Though, maybe the other cast members would like this (she overshadows anyone in any movie she appears on... remember Tom in WOW??)

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Why the Joker?

    by Nizzuts

    We have already seen the Joker. Why not some other villian, like Scarface and his dummy. I guess I am not really opposed to the Joker, but why not bring back the Joker, Penguin, and the Riddler and have them join forces against the Batman, as in the old TV show. That could be cool.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 3:21 p.m. CST

    "We have already seen the Joker."

    by I Dunno

    Well, we've already seen Batman too, ad nauseum. If this is a "re-imagining" then they might as well make the first villain after the exposition movie the best and most popular. Besides, there are no Batman villains that we haven't seen. I mean there are but they all suck. Batman and Robin was scraping the bottom of the barrel with Poison Ivy and Bane (although Mr. Freeze is cool in the comic and animated show but not Arnold's goofball character). If they get an actor that isn't so big that you see the actor instead of the character and they play the Joker as a sick, SCARY mf'r then people will forget all about Nicholson and this new series will be truely separate from Burton/Schumaker (sp).

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 3:21 p.m. CST

    I know who has the perfect look. Hint: He's banging Demi

    by Homer Sexual

    Yes, whenever I watch reruns of 70's Show, I marvel at how much makeup Ashton Kutcher has on, and how much he looks like a young Joker. I know he doesn't have the acting chops, but he certainly looks the part. Bettany is great, one of my favorite actors. Love him in every movie I've seen him in.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 3:38 p.m. CST


    by Trancer

    Where in the world did anybody ever get the idea that Batgirl would have *anything* to do with this franchise? I will just about guarantee that you will never see Batgirl in this version of Batman. The idea is ridiculous. Batman can do what he does because he had *years* of training, not only in martial arts, but in stealth and manipulating people's perceptions. He also has access to technology that no one else has. So some teenage girl is going to get a black belt from the YMCA, put on a spandex suit and a holloween mask, and start cleaning up Gotham? It works in a comic book, where everybody and their dog puts on a costume to beat up bad guys. But Nolan is grounding these movies in reality, albeit a slightly stretched one. It's never going to happen. How did that get started in the first place? Regarding the Joker, Nolan (and maybe more importantly, Goyer) *know* the character. They're going to pick the guy that can do the job. Bettany and Hulme are currently the only two in the running. Granted, that can (and likely will) change, but my money's on Bettany. As for Crispin Glover and Sean Penn, I'm not sure what kind of Joker the people pushing for them are envisioning, but it isn't the Joker in any Batman comics I ever read.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Lest we forget

    by Aves

    How the introduction of "sidekicks" led to the death of the old franchise(that and Joel Shumacher putting nipples on the batsuit), anyway Batman will do just fine without Robin, Batgirl, Bat-mite, Batwoman, Azrael, or whoever else you can think of. Joker and Harvey Dent will be major players and Harvey will be Two-Face in the third. Barbara Gordon may be involved in some way but there will be no Batgirl. There should be no Batgirl. Now, as far as the Joker a humorless hack like Sean Penn shouldn't be let near this movie. Paul Bettamy and Lachey Hulme, eh not bad, but I would love to see Adrien Brody.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 3:47 p.m. CST

    mrfantasto is the Tonay of Carlos Mencia...

    by kintar0

    Yeah, a fat, unfunny latino should play the Joker. Why not? Couldn't stink worse than Murphy's Scarecrow. What exactly has Mencia touched and turned into gold, by the way?

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Mark Hammill will not be the Joker, George Clooney will voice Op

    by TomPalpatine

  • What evidence is there to support this statement? The characterizations in Batman Begins were ENTIRELY off. I wonder if you think Goyer "*knew*" Blade's character? He obviously didn't, as when finally handed the helm of Blade he promptly screwed the pooch with Blade 3.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 3:53 p.m. CST

    I want Hugh Laurie as the Joker

    by Capt. Murphy

    Hell, I want Hugh Laurie for every role!

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Has Nolan committed to doing the sequel???

    by Barry Egan

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 3:54 p.m. CST


    by BranMakMorn

    He would be the best choice, playing it insane without being campy. Perfect suggestion. They need better fight choreography or at least SHOW the action! It doesn't have to be in bright light but the audience has to know what's happening and Batman has to look cool doing it.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 3:56 p.m. CST

    How about Andrew Koenig?

    by crazyeyezkillah

    He's already played the Joker once and he was great. I think mrfantasto IS Carlos Mencia.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Christopher Eccleston!!

    by 3 Bag Enema

    Why does Paul Bettany keep getting Eccleston's roles? It hurts.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 4:15 p.m. CST

    How about Walter Koenig!

    by Capt. Murphy

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Paul Betany no joker

    by lavalizard69

    Paul Betany would make a better riddler than joker. Crispin GLover would own the riddlet...hell that guyis nuttier than a squirrel turd.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 4:21 p.m. CST


    by matrix69

    for God's sake...

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Joker and Harley Quinn

    by lavalizard69

    I am hoping for the Joker and HArley Quin. I would love to see HUDSON LEICK play Harley.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Tim Curry

    by SnowMann

    I've seen him play an evil fucking clown.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 4:30 p.m. CST


    by spider-ham

    Mark Hamill is THE person for the role. WB, Deal with it.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Mark Hamill did the voice.

    by I Dunno

    That does not mean he can play the character. He's too old, he doesn't look like the Joker and the only time we've seen him play maniacal was in Jay & Silent Bob and that was rather sad.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Not only does the Joker not have a smile frozen on his face, he

    by Toxic Frog

    The Joker's history is unknown (although The Killing Joke kind of offered an origin). If this is the accepted origin, he was a normal loser that got involved with some low-level thugs to make a quick buck while he was desperate for money. He was NEVER a gangster, especially a high-ranking one. The Joker's name was NOT JACK NAPIER. Oh, and HE DOESN'T HAVE A SMILE FROZEN ON HIS FACE. Good lord I hope Nolan doesn't saboutage the actor with a perma-grin like the stupid-looking 'Joker' from the Burton movie. Jack Nicholson didn't play the Joker - he played Jack Nicholson in stupid makeup.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 5 p.m. CST

    J&SBSB made Will Ferrell seem like Jar Jar Binks

    by SnowMann

    I wouldn't judge anyones acting ability based on that movie. Except maybe Kevin Smith's, cause his eyes made me cry laughing like three times.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 5:08 p.m. CST


    by Sean38

    Okay, I'm changing my vote. Sam Rockwell would kick ASS!

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 5:29 p.m. CST

    more thoughts from the peanut gallery

    by Nizzuts

    Yeah, I Dunno, I agree that if the studio is reimagine Batman then havind the Joker is acceptable. I just would like to see them explore something else. Carlos Mencia is funny, although I don't think he would make a good movie actor, nor do I think he would take the job. Darth Jesus just doesn't like him because he can't take a joke.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Those Are Some Great Suggestions For Batgirl

    by Spooge McDuck

    I wonder if there would be a temptation to cast Lindsey Lohan? I hope they avoid this, but given Nolan's history of female casting so far, he seems to like names rather than talented lesser knowns.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Ford Perfect

    by painey_woo

    Harrison Ford....he's this generations' 'Nicholson' - think Ford's manic Mosquito Coast grinning mixed with evil Indy...perfect. No...'really'.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Batman Continues..

    by Bean_

    I like that title.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Keaton would be funny

    by Nizzuts

    It would be funny to have Keaton as the Joker. They could even through in a cheesy reference to him as Batman in the Burton films.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Lindsey Lohan Would Be Terrible As Batgirl

    by Red Lantern

    I agree that it could happen though. It made no sense to cast Katie Holmes. The problem is that I think the female characters are assumed to be not important to the fans. A lot of care was put into casting the men, then they pick Katie Holmes to work with Caine, Freeman, Oldman, etc. I think history might be repeating itself.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 5:56 p.m. CST

    "You don't like the same comedian I like! You must be RE! TA

    by kintar0

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Denis Leary as The Joker!!! Throw Jennifer Tilly in a time mach

    by Shermdawg

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 6:19 p.m. CST

    by MagnusFirefly

    Batgirl= Jewel Staite Joker= Steve Buscemi

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 6:46 p.m. CST

    No way shermdawg

    by SnowMann

    I saw sound of thunder, and throwing jennifer tilly in a time machine could result in some really terrible 80s green screen effects and possibly the apocalypse.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 6:46 p.m. CST

    I Suspect They've Already Made A Questionable Casting Choice

    by Winky Man

    That's why we're hearing nothing about it. Studios love to announce this stuff early, to get awareness for a film in print. I'll bet they wait until the last possible moment, to try to minimize the fallout. Probably announce it around Christmas or so, where it's likely to be buried.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Jennifer Connelly should've been Rachel. TOTALLY agree with

    by xXMr_BoJaNgLeSXx

    Should she be included. Otherwise I could live with Paul Bettany as the Joker. There's a grocery list of actors who can play him. Sam Rockwell seems the best and is getting the LEAST recognition.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 7:27 p.m. CST


    by VenomFangX

    It's simple math. A child could do it. Christian Bale = Batman Crispin Glover = Joker See? Simple.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Why Crispin Glover will not be The Joker...

    by Shermdawg

    nobody would be able to watch the movie with everyone yelling "McFly?" "McFly?!"

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 8:08 p.m. CST

    I like the Christian Bale suggestion.

    by Inspector Foyle

    Patrick Bateman's unhinged scream over the staircase after the chainsaw attack always gives me chills. And really, I think only Christian Bale has the acting chops to play against Christian Bale. Better yet, let him play every role in varying states of undress. Damn I love that man. Okay, if not my beloved Bale, Gary Oldman. Wait...dammit! Fine, I like the Sam Rockwell idea a lot...he's got a crazy shit-eatin' grin. Like a mule eatin' briars through a barbed fence, as my grandfather would say. How 'bout Ewan MacGregor? He can act and I think he's got a wild gleam in his eyes that would nicely complement Bale's dark stoicism. Or maybe I just want to see them onscreen together. *leaves to put Velvet Goldmine in dvd player*

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Do we need Batgirl and Robin?

    by Inspector Foyle

    Granted, I'm not terribly familiar with all the comics, but just cinematically speaking could they get away with no sidekicks or jr. good guys? I like Batman flying solo. Isolation increases the angst. I think I'd rather see the supporting characters (Gordon, Fox, Alfred) get more development.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Can you not see, your uncle is wearied by your malcontent...your

    by Inspector Foyle

    One more thing...I LOVE the idea of Brad Dourif. He's not a "name" and he's got tremendous presence. He stole every scene he was in during LOTR.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Justin Theroux

    by Trevor Goodchild

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Timothy Olyphant!!

    by HolyCalamity

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 8:37 p.m. CST

    He'd better look like this

    by carver677

    I don't care who they get to play the joker, but he'd better look like this There, now that's how the joker looks. He's cold, maniacal and, best of all, dead fucking serious. That was always the best part about the joker is what an ironic character he is. So yeah, that being said, I can see them going with Bettany. Nolan has said that he thought the previous films made mistakes by focusing on the villains rather than on Batman. They're not going to cast a big name or someone the fans are clamoring for just so as to not upstage Bale's Batman. In this respect, Bettany's perfect. He's a proven actor who's still fairly low in the celebrity heirarchy, yet higher than Screech

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Bale has pretty much said no Robin as long as he's involved

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    and I think they're smart enough to keep Batgirl out too.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Robin was never a good character.

    by I Dunno

    It was a clumsy way of countering Batman's darkness but it wound up making them look like a couple queers, especially in the movies where they were less than 10 years apart in age. Not a necessary character and I doubt there would be many people that would miss him.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Bettany as The Joker And Other Casting Ideas

    by Barron34

    I think that this is a good choice. Bettany is a good actor. Personally, I would like to see him as Adrian Veidt/Ozymandias if they ever do Alan Moore's "Watchmen". (or a little known actor named Jeffery Nordling, who is a dead ringer for Veidt). Speaking of other roles, I would like to see Liev Screiber as Harvey Dent/Two-Face. Guy Pierce has been mentioned as well, and he would certianly be acceptable, but ever since seeing Schreiber as the brain-washed candidate/killer in "The Manchurian Candidate" I have been sold on Schreiber. He is just a really good actor. Regarding the Robin and/or Batgirl debate: I think that Nolan's Batman is stronger as a stand-alone hero. He already has Alfred, Fox, and Gordon as allies. No need to crowd the story even more with Robin and Batgirl. Leave that for films four, five, or six down the road, after Nolan has completed a trilogy of Bat-flicks....anyway, that's my two-cents...

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 9:39 p.m. CST


    by blackthought

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 10:11 p.m. CST

    I Think We All Agree Batgirl Is Preferable To Robin

    by Red Lantern

    Robin would just introduce another character, and this series already has several strong ones. Develop the Gordons, Fox and Alfred. Bringing in Robin would just take away from some characters I think anyone who liked Begins wants to see more of.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Kate Hudson as Harley Quinn.

    by Osmosis Jones

    Imagine that body squeezed into the spandex?

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 11:33 p.m. CST

    paul bettany, excellent unthought of choice

    by bubbahotep17

    anyone who thinks otherwise should rent gangster No 1 and watch a physcho work

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Joker casting

    by acebandage

    I know that a lot of people may disagree with this but I still have to say that my choice would be Jason Lee. I'll tell you why. I think he has the right look and I think that he would play the character a little more glib than say a dark and brooding Crispin Glover. The thing I find the most disturbing about the Joker is he is homocidal without really having a grasp on the reality of his actions. He goes on killing sprees with the exultant joy of someone playing GTA: San Andreas. It is not real to him. and it is the juxtuposition of those horriffic acts with his utter whimsy about them that is soo damned disturbing. If Mark Hamill were younger I would give him my vote especially because of his performance on the campy Flash TV series. There is the one scene in the Magic shop that goes from campy to disturbed in the blink of an eye. I think Jason Lee could pull that off. I just don't want to see a completely dark and brooding Joker against a dark and brooding Batman. He should be Batman's antithesis. AND LET ME MAKE THIS PERFECTLY CLEAR>>>HE SHOULD NEVER BE GIVEN A REAL NAME. He is the one character in all of the rogue's gallery that Bats can't talk to by name because it is unknown, possibly even to the Joker himself. Not having that connection to his past humanity makes him that much more out of touch with human laws, morals and mores. In the comics, and even TAS, Batman always tried to address the villains by their real names as a psychological ploy. To connect them with their humanity. He can't do that with Joker. That makes him so much more dangerous...and tougher to rehabilitate. I have rambled long enough. Take that as you will.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Get REAL

    by Athanatos

    Although everything is conjecture at this point, I would agree on either Tim Roth or Micheal Keaton as the Joker. On another note, I would love to see them film The Dark Knight Returns.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 11:46 p.m. CST

    by OoGravYoO

    Crispin Glover is the best actor for this role.. nuff said..

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 11:46 p.m. CST


    by Anino

    He'll always be Spicoli to me. And last I heard he was in a sinking rowboat, walking around New Orleans with a shotgun. How can the clown prince be played by one of the most humorless (personally) actors? Bettany should be fine--I was wondering why I didn't think of that in the first place. The batgirl ideas are insane--no wonder none of us make a living as screen writers. In fact, the more I think about it, Bettany's perfect! And please, no batgirl, no robin--no freakin' sidekicks already, jeez!

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 11:47 p.m. CST


    by blackthought

    jack bauer as the jokey!

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Burgess Meredith As The Penguin!

    by ZombieSolutions

    mwehh! mwehh!! mwehhh!!! you batchumps are in for a... ghoulish time! mwehh! mwehh!! mwehhh!!!

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Batman: Episode I - The Phantom Premise

    by darthbinks1220

    Have Jar Jar play the Joker.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 12:07 a.m. CST


    by darthbinks1220

    The title of the next Nolan Batpic should be "Batman". Burton's flick should be retitled "The Joker".

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Theres No Way To Do BATMAN / ROBIN Without Admitting That They&#

    by ZombieSolutions

    i'm sorry, theres just no way to do it. they have a gay superhero relationship. and even if it wasn't the original intent, i think, maybe subliminally, it was. ask anyone you know what they think about Batman and Robin. they're like the offical superhero duo of NAMBLA. (i.e. the Ambiguously Gay Duo is a direct riff on BATMAN and ROBIN.)

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 12:16 a.m. CST

    BUT, If They Do BATMAN / ROBIN...

    by ZombieSolutions

    Robin should be played by A 14 year old Malaysian boy prostitute who Bruce meets on one of his many... ah-hem... "business trips" to Asia.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 12:23 a.m. CST

    And All CGI Joker

    by ZombieSolutions

    they've called in the top guys as Lucasfilm to ruin your favorite villian for you.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Inspired casting would be Danny Huston as the Joker...

    by drewATX

    Watch Hotel or just imagine him with a little more of a crazed smile the next time you watch Aviator. He would really be an unexpected choice but the box office could be hurt. Then again casting Molina in Spiderman2 didnt seem to hurt that film.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 12:42 a.m. CST

    I always thought that Gigi Edgely (Chianna from Farscape) would

    by JackBurton

    Despite her lack in the old chest area. She looks good in skin tight outfits and makeup, and the way she moves, her voice and the general sense of mischevousness that she gave off on Farscape would work damn well for the role of Harley methinks. That'd be who I'd pick anyways. ************************************************************************** As for Crispin Glover, I dig Crispin Glover, but I hate the idea of him as The Joker, because he wouldn't play The Joker, he'd just play Crispin Glover in white face. Plus, he'd probably fuck up the deal, get greedy or egotistical or decide that he's done with that role, and never return for a sequel, just like with Back To The Future. Walken, much as I love him, suffers the same kind of baggage that Glover does, he's a character (and caricature) all on his own, before you even get to the role he's playing. You put Walken in the role and it'll be Walken that people will see and hear looking at the character, and not The Joker. Sean Penn has acting chops to spare, but I don't know if he could even act as if he had a (admittedly quite warped) sense of humour these days, in fact if the man even cracked a smile his head may just implode. Still that said I'd be happy to be proven wrong if Glover, Penn or Walken were cast in the role and did manage to nail it against the odds all the same, playing the odds at this point I just don't see it though. As for Tim Roth, problem is he tends to overact too much in roles such as these, so I'd leave him off the list too, good an actor as he usually is. Whereas Benicio DelToro is absolutely guaranteed to play it too far over the top, and the idea of him getting the role scares me even more than just about anyone else listed thus far getting it. I like Del Toro, but not for this. And as for the talent vacuum that is Lachy Hulme (who must have a hell of an agent for his name to get out there so often) he's a cardboard cutout moron, and an utter and absolute tool in person, I've seen most of his australian roles, and I've even met him in person a couple of times, and the worst thing that could happen to this film is that they hire his lame ass for such a great and important role. How this guy has gotten so much buzz when his acting is decidedly average at best, and when he's never been the standout in any film he's been a part of, and is always and easily overshadowed (something whoever plays The Joker should never be) is beyond me, it really is. ************************************************************************** As for who should play The Joker, Willem Dafoe always would have been my first choice, after Mark Hamill that is (who has the definitive voice and character down perfectly, but in all honesty is just too short, out of shape, and old looking to convince as a live action Joker in my opinion, sad as it is to say), but now the problem with Dafoe is that his performance as The Joker would be too similar to his turn as Green Goblin, and the role will have enough baggage to deal with without having to overcome that kind of thing too. Bettany I really, really like the idea of, and he has acting chops to pull it off too. I also like the idea of Michael Keaton (because he can play psychopathic really well, just as he can play larger than life without being too far over the top), and I floated the idea of Andy Serkis a long time back, who I still think could do the role justice as well, even if he wouldn't be my first choice, but he's a way outside shot at best, and he might be a little too big for the role, especially given that it's The Joker's personality that makes him dangerous, not his physicality in any way. Me, if they could make Hamill look convincing in live action (a hard task sadly methinks) then that'd be my first stop, after that I'd be trying out Bettany, then Keaton.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 12:53 a.m. CST

    I Think Batgirl Should Appear At The End Of The Movie Rather Tha

    by Spooge McDuck

    One of the things that booged down the old movies, was sooo many subplots. Especially in Batman and Robin. Keep the story line simple, focused on the main villian or villian, and THEN Batgirl appears on the scene at the end of the movie or makes the discovery that puts her in the next one. I hope they keep the same actress though, I'm still mad about that whole Billy Dee Williams/Tommy Lee Jones thing.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Batman Begins Sequel (as done by Brett Ratner)

    by Capt. Spaulding

    Title: Batman: Rubbery Cast: Batman: Owen Wilson Joker: Chris Tucker Harleyquinn: Audrey Tautou Penguin: Jason Staitham Riddler: Stephen Baldwin Catwoman: Oprah Winfrey Two-Face: Keanu Reeves Comm. Gordon: Also Keanu Reeves Fox: Chris Rock Alfred: Jeff Foxworthy

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 1:24 a.m. CST

    What THE SH#T

    by HolyCalamity

    Seriously people!!! Mark Hamill??? Yeah he has the voice down perfect, his tone, it's just the right attitude. BUT HAVE YOU SEEN HIM IN THE LAST..uh idunno...20 years, the guy looks like a wreck! I am all for dubbing Hamill's laugh for the joker (that would rock hard core!!) but you must find someone who is physically intimedating/creepy! I know he' isn't the toughest looking guy, and I am saying this for the third time, but PLEASE,PLEASE..someone look at Timothy Olyphant and tell me he wouldn't rock in this part...

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 1:34 a.m. CST

    Mr. T should be the Joker

    by Hamtaro_Hentai

    "I'm tired of the batfool and all his jibba jabba"

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 2 a.m. CST

    Why is everyone

    by ALotCooler

    thinking paul bettany is such a great choice. To me his look is just horribly wrong (he has a little brit button nose) and he doesn't have enough intensity. He's just too soft around all the edges. I think Adrien Brody would be perfect because he looks right, definitely has the acting chops and would certainly take it. Seriously, can someone give me some reasons for bettany? I just do not see it AT ALL.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 2:17 a.m. CST

    If you don't think Bettany has the acting chops I suggest...

    by JackBurton

    THAT YOU GO FUCK YOURSELF! Sorry, just kidding there mate. Couldn't resist given we're on the rabid backlashers board of choice here. Seriously though, check out his performances in Gangster Number 1 (opposite the great Malcolm McDowell) and the little seen The Reckoning (opposite Willem Dafoe and Brian Cox), might make you a little more optimistic. Or then again it might not, what do I know?

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 3:29 a.m. CST

    Alan Tudyk...

    by bunny_lebowski

    ...would be so fucking awesome doin the J!

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 3:36 a.m. CST

    You know who would make a kickass Joker????

    by Shermdawg

    Denis Leary! Nuff said.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 4:21 a.m. CST

    Who's In The Running For Batgirl?

    by Captain Sulu

    Does anyone know? I'm with everyone else here, I guess, in that there are several good choices to play the Joker. Only a handful of known actresses can pull of Batgirl convincingly. My guess is that they'd almost have to go with an unknown, as I'm sure the few who could do it are in high demand.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 4:22 a.m. CST

    How 'bout Joaquin Phoenix

    by Truthmonger

    I don't think anyone realizes how good this guy is...

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 4:39 a.m. CST

    There's not going to be a Batgirl

    by SnowMann

    Don't be stupid. Please. I mean, we can sit around all day saying how cool it'd be to put in batgirl, or who should play Robin, or the best actor to play the batcave technician, but the fact is... Nolan isn't going to go that root. Watch Batman Begins again. It's the "realistic" approach, and the semi-faithful approach. Any girl cast as batgirl would be close enough to bale's age to be a love interest, and batgirl + batman = gross. She's robin's age for christ's sake... back to joker casting. billy crudup.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 4:51 a.m. CST

    route > root

    by SnowMann

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 4:57 a.m. CST

    Oh There's Definitely Going To Be A Batgirl At Some Point

    by Winky Man

    I hate it when people post without reading the talkbalk first. This has been discussed in depth, but I'll give the short version for those with ADD or whatever. FACT: Barbara Gordon was introduced in the first movie. FACT: The next movie will take place years after the "prequel." FACT: Katie Holmes is no longer in the film, leaving no significant female character. FACT: The Joker is definitely going to be the villian (this is for those too lazy to even read the article this TB is about), so there won't be a female villian. FACT: There is ALWAYS one token female in a picture like this. CONCLUSION: It ain't brain science figuring this stuff out. Connect the dots. HINT: Guess who the Joker paralyzes in the comics?

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 5:06 a.m. CST

    I Do Wonder If They'll Keep The Name "Batgirl," Or Change It

    by Mark Twain

    If memory serves me correctly, Barbara Gordon was an adult when she was paralyzed by the joker. It would just be odd to have an adult called "Batgirl" in this day and age. Regardless of what happened in the comics, as we know not a lot of women read comics. Put "Batgirl" in a movie though, and I think it might raise an eyebrow or two.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 5:56 a.m. CST

    I Would Think Batgirl Would Need To Be More Than A Sidekick In T

    by Bazooms

    If she's just there to work the crippled Barbara Gordon angle, it definitely won't mean as much if she's anything less than a full partner to Batman. She should be side by side for a good portion of the action, rather than getting rescued like Robin. If she's become part of the team, like Alfred or Fox, the impact of the joker's eventual actions will be much more dramatic. I'd like to think that's where they're going with this.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 6:47 a.m. CST

    oh shit yeah Timothy Olyphant !!

    by William Cutting

    Actually he would have made a good wayne/batman - how old is joker supposed to be in relation to batman as Ian McShane would rock my cock(sucker)

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 7:55 a.m. CST

    Paul Bethany? All I have to say is "Gangster No 1". He's goi

    by IAmMrMonkey

    Yeah, yeah - you know it!

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Just Because Batgirl And The Joker Are In The Movie Doesn't

    by Red Lantern

    They set up Mary Jane in the Gwen Stacy death scene in Spider-man, and she survived. So they could set up Batgirl in jeopardy, so people THINK that The Killing Joke story is being acted out, then have her come out of it all right. Hollywood changes things all the time, especially superhero stuff, so there may be a set up and no payoff. Personally though, I'd feel ripped off since it would be just like Spider-Man.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Why are so many people here hard for Glover?

    by DR mandrake

    He'd probably make a good joker, but jeez I think over half of the people here would pay money to sniff his sweaty nutsac.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Jude law as joker

    by ska detective

    He has the build and stature for a joker

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Jenny McCarthy as Harley Quinn!

    by Anna Valerious

    Or maybe go with that girl from "Ferris Bueller" who played her in "Birds of Prey"...Mia something...can't remember her name all of a sudden...

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Lets really think about this..

    by HolyCalamity

    Ok, so I still think Tim O would make a great joker and the more I think about it, adrian brody has the look down too. HOwever, when looking at it from a Horror movie angle, as soon as the monster is revealed it isn't half as scary, it's the unknown lurking in the shadows that drives our fear. Nolan shot the first few batman scenes like a horror movie, they were scary! We need the joker to have that same feeling, we need to wonder who he is, what will he do, is there anything he wouldn't do?!? They really need an unknown who is just picture perfect Joker... if we have a big name, it won't be whats joker gunna do it will be whats tim, paul, adrian, or jude gunna do. Here's to MR. Nolan on a great start to the series, and lets hope he CONTINUES with a great casting choice for JOker... (Batman Continues..anyone??)

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 9:35 a.m. CST


    by plkrtn

    NO WAY! No spin off characters. I'll accept Barbara Gordon in the movies... But I don't want to see Robin, Batgirl or Nightwing anywhere near this! In fact the only character I'd want to see is Azrael, when Bale decides to leave, and they need someone to take the Batman character over, and break Wayne's back.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Joker Casting

    by plkrtn

    Paul Bethany would be fantastic casting. He could play the serious side of the Joker and the irony of the clown, rather than Jack Nicholson's self portrait. Crispin Glover has to be the most self important and pretentious actor going. Not to mention, pretty poor. He'd stink up the screen.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 10:07 a.m. CST

    hear hear

    by savage_henry

    Let's all think outside the box here, people. Joker = Jonothan Lypnicki, Batgirl = that mountain from the Drew Carey show. Mark Hamill would provide the voiceover for ALL of the dialogue for all characters, as well as all sound effects.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 11:06 a.m. CST

    other characters and Joker's origin

    by oisin5199

    It seems like this series is ignoring the original movie Joker origin and the Killing Joke origin, by presenting us with an already formed Joker who doesn't blame Batman for making him who he is. At the end of BB, we have the calling card and the fact that he's already killed people, so the whole "innocent thug" from Killing Joke doesn't seem to be happening here. Although, they could play it that he had set up the Joker persona, but hadn't yet fallen into the vat. Then again, I thought that incident (and/or the death of his pregnant wife) is what made him crazy. So I don't know how they'll do it. If they follow the trilogy plan of Joker in the 2nd and his trial with the creation of 2Face in the third, then perhaps by that 3rd movie, when Joker's been in the asylum for a while, we can introduce a Harley Quinn character. In Nolan's world, I'm guessing there won't be an actual harlequin outfit, perhaps more like the Birds of Prey character. Kristin Bell may be a bit too young (isn't she supposed to be a psychiatrist? Then again, if Katie Holmes can be an assistant DA...) Gigi Edgely is an inspired choice. I was also thinking of the woman who played Saffron on Firefly. She's kinda smokin and could do the slightly off-kilterness. I also like the idea of Barbara Gordon in the story eventually, and she might even help out Batman behind her dad's back, but not in costume and not as Batgirl.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Depp should play the Joker

    by sailingmaster

    Anyone who's seen him as Willy Wonka shouldn't even question this.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I'm down with Jenny McCarthy as Harley...

    by SpyGuy

    Mia Sara was an interesting choice to replace Sherilyn Fenn as Harley on BIRDS OF PREY (A poorly-executed series, but one I still want on DVD). For some reason, though, I keep seeing Lauren Graham from GILMORE GIRLS in the role. After BAD SANTA, there's serious Harley potential there...

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Winky Man has no idea what he's talking about

    by ClarkK82

    You can't just say a bunch of crap you think is true for some unsupported reason and then call it fact. You're not the president.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 1:02 p.m. CST

    I still say Christopher Eccleston


    From the new Doctor Who series, though Bettany would be good. He's capable of the right kind of mania

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Robin and Batgirl are NOT going to be in this film....

    by Edward_nygma

    ... or any other Batfilm as long as Nolan/Goyer/Bale are involved. I wouldn't hold my breath for Harley either but it would have to be Brittany Murphy. Eccleston for the Joker. Liev Schreiber for Dent. Please stop talking about Robin and Batgirl, its making me feel ill.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Oh, and anyone complaining that we've seen the Koer already.

    by Edward_nygma

    ... we havent. We've seen Jack Nicholson in whiteface.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Quint please please PLEASE don't give talkbackers ideas!

    by seppukudkurosawa

    This time next week some batman obsessive will have stitched together a "Screech as The Joker" campaign website.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Julia Roberts should play the Joker.

    by Some Dude

    Look at that scary mouth!

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 1:57 p.m. CST

    to Edward_nygma

    by Capt. Spaulding

    Good idea, Liev Schrieber as Harvey Dent. Hadn't thought of that one. But, I thought I kept hearing that Guy Pearce was gonna do it. As far as Batgirl goes, when they get around to Batman Begins VII: SO Very Tired (main villian: Maxie Zeus), then we can start arguing about who should play her.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 2 p.m. CST

    Here is MY 40 Cents worth...

    by InZodWeTrust

    I was mulling over how they'd be able to pull off a character like the Joker, yet root him firmly in the reality Nolan and Goyer worked up for Batman Begins. I was thinking about how it'd be cool if throughout this proposed trilogy they filmmakers used the attack on Gotham from Batman Begins to have lasting effects on the next two films. Like the gas that was unleashed on Gotham. There were a huge amount of escapees from Arkham, who'd mostly been experimented on by Dr. Crane. So as it stands, they are all sane thugs who pretty much worked for Falcone in once capacity or another, then had been driven to TRUE insanity by the Scarecrow during their time at Arkham. I think it'd be pretty sweet if there was a Plan B by Ra's Al Ghul to ship another container of the hallucinogen that made it to the docks but were overlooked by authorities, that had been discovered by a core group of nuts from Arkham. The underlying theme for these films would be the fear toxin. Now, take a guy like the Joker for instance. You could write him very closely to the origin from the Killing Joke, where he was a failed nameless comedian who has to resort to petty theft to keep his wife and daughter fed. Until he rips off the wrong guy one day and they come calling for revenge... Long story short, his wife and daughter die at the hands of the thugs, and they torture and maim our comedian to the point where he ends up looking not unlike Lee Bermejo's concept art. If I haven't lost you yet, sweet... Have this destroyed shell of a man discover this toxin and get somewhat addicted to it. After time, his supply starts to run out, and he beings to synthesize it himself in a makeshift lab at the ACE Card company factory. His disfigurement, coupled with exposure to the fear toxin over the span of months, literally drives him to the point of insanity people only write about in horror stories. So his addiction to the drug could be the reason he is so whacked. One night while synthesizing the toxin, a chemical explosion bleaches his skin and makes his hair grow green. This drives him even MORE flappy, so he begins a crime spree that defies all conventional logic. Taking his act to the streets, he creates a misting machine he hides in a lapel flower that disperses the toxin into the air in a 145 yard radius. If he is coming, you know it. Seeing as the Jokers toxin is synthesized, it could have slightly different properties. Anyhow, I'd have it that every time he approaches, people would get slightly dizzy, then be overcome with a sense of dread, and then slowly out from the shadows come this grotesque caricature of a clown. But seeing as the victims would be induced with the toxin, they'd see a Joker not unlike the visions of the Scarecrow. This is where very creative CGI could be used. As the Joker menaces his victims, you could have him constantly smearing lipstick on his face, like an addiction (and you could kinda write it that his lipstick would have a highly concentrated amount of the toxin, and he is basically a junkie). This could explain why he has ruby red lips. When the victims see him, his voice could distort into some sort of weird Satanic laugh. You could cast a guest actor like Kevin Spacey in Seven, and throughout the film, you never really get to see HIS TRUE face or body until the last scene when he is apprehended, and the mist dispensing flower is removed, and people see him for what he truly is. A psychotic, yet pathetic shell of a man who is deformed and disfigured with green hair and white skin. Would this be too far from his true comic origin? I thought it'd be a neat idea.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 2:03 p.m. CST


    by InZodWeTrust

    Paul Giamatti?

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Timothy Olyphant?

    by Sean38

    Hmmm...I agree he'd have made a perfect Batman but The Joker? Possibly. It certainly would make The Joker more charasmatic. And he did do crazy pretty well in The Girl Next well, in fact, that I didn't even realize he was the same guy that stared in Deadwood until I saw his name at the end credits. Still, not convinced he could top Rockwell.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Paul Giamatti

    by Sean38

    As The Joker? No. As The Penguin...HELL YES.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Vincent D'Onofrio as the Joker

    by docfalken

    Strap his ass to a treadmill for 6 months and he would be magnificent. He's got madman nailed.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Crispin Glover is batshit insane

    by fiester

    Which is exactly why no one wants to work with him...especially with a multi-million dollar franchise on the line. Paul Bettany works for me.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Really? How much do you pay him?

    by oisin5199

    Just kidding. Anyway, Zod - interesting idea for the Joker. I do very much like the idea that the fear toxin story has long lasting effects and that Joker comes up on a variation. But maybe instead of fear, it's a kind of sick laughing gas that leaves the victims with a distorted smile. The only problem is with the Joker addict thing, is that he needs to not be totally over the top - there needs to be some method to the madness. That's what makes him truly scary. We'll see.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Martin Lawrence is insane, Crispin Glover is just charmingly ecc

    by blue1622

    Jesus, Glover could be so good in this. The stuff nightmares are made of. More definitive than Nicholson? Very, very possibly. Eccleston, too...just less creepy. Really don't know which of those two to root for at this point.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 3:01 p.m. CST

    vince vaughan!

    by blackthought

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Christian Bale as The Joker

    by Incrediburgible

    The ultimate choice is right under their noses. Get Bale to play Batman AND The Joker.... Bale was fantastic (fucking Maniacal) in American Psycho and physically haunting in The Machinist... he would be a tour de force in both roles.....

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Batgirl - No Need!

    by muddyfunster

    Why oh why does either Batgirl or the highly tedious Robin need to be in the sequel??? Batman works best on his own. Look what happens when you try and construct a movie around three superheroes and two villains (or was it three?) - Yes, Batman and Robin! Leave the Dark Knight to fly solo and keep the intensity of Batman Begins and the classic comics.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Is that a raincoat? Why yes it is, Paul!

    by Inspector Foyle

    You know, Eddie Izzard might make a fantastic Joker if he could un-Eddie Izzard himself just a bit. He was fantastic in The Cat's Meow as Charlie Chaplin, and he's got a pretty wild face. Looks like a young Oliver Reed.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Christian Bale's 2 movie voodoo.

    by Inspector Foyle

    Bale has been in at least 2 movies with so many of his co-stars: he's in 2 movies with Toni Collette, 2 with Emily Watson, 2 with John Hurt, 2 with Tom Wilkinson (who isn't), 2 with Samantha Morton, 2 with Kate Beckinsale, 2 with Kenneth Branagh, and maybe more if I could ponder longer. Anyway, this trend could continue if they cast Ewan MacGregor as the's be interesting to see if he could pull off being super scary/crazy. Aside from maybe Young Adam, when has he played a proper villain? If not EM, then clearly the next choice to continue the 2 movie curse would be Max Casella. Patrick Bateman vs. Vinnie Delpino. I love pointless speculation!

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Denis Leary as The Joker would F'n RULE!!!

    by Shermdawg

    once again, nuff said.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 4:25 p.m. CST

    The only character that Denis Leary should play is GUY GARDNER (

    by Cletus Van Damme

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 4:25 p.m. CST

    ...and Lori Petty as Harley.

    by Cletus Van Damme

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Let me clear some things up...

    by tango fett

    People have asked, and I will answer from what Goyer and Nolan have said...First, it will be a trilogy *SPOILER* Joker in 2 but he doesn't die, and Two Face in 3 *END SPOILER*. Also, Nolan has said that he will be long gone from the franchise before Robin is brought in (WHOO). Christopher Eccleston looks perfect IMO, there's a great pic of him as the Joker somewhere on at Batman on Film.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Denis Leary would F'n SUCK

    by ALotCooler

    It would be Jack Nicholson syndrome all over again. The joker wouldn't be the joker, it would be Denis Leary with makeup on. Seeing him do a Denis Leary rant as the Joker would make me want to vomit. Worst choice ever.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 4:57 p.m. CST

    let'em all fight for it

    by The Only Woj

    funny debate. I'd rather have 20 guys test in front of Nolan than it be between Hulme and Bettany. Steve Carrell, Penn, whoever the fuck wants in, give them their shot. I'd love to see a "less talked about" guy land the role, stealing it from the big names gunning for it.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 5:01 p.m. CST

    And the next Joker:

    by jamesmags

    Pierce Brosnan-Now that's insane!

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Can't believe people have overlooked the obvious choice

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    Tom Cruise!! He's not just crazy, he's unmedicated undiagnosed scientology crazy! And he's already got the grin down pat.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Interesting, Nolan Rules Out Robin But Not Batgirl

    by Red Lantern

    Looks like Winky Man is right on track with this. With Two Face in the picture, it doesn't sound like Batgirl becomes crippled. Unless it's just a switch. What if Two Face is the one who cripples her? A deviation from the story, but not one anyone would expect. If that's where he's going with this, Nolan is a genius.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 6:12 p.m. CST

    The Joker

    by BeHerEyes

    I was just thinking. If he was younger, Ian Mcdiarmid would be fantastic as the Joker. I can just imagine it. He was the best part of Episode III.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 6:13 p.m. CST

    nathon fillion??

    by comicboy

    He could be an interesting choice to play joker, especially if serenity becomes a hit.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 7:36 p.m. CST

    When i called my last post "Oh, and anyone complaining that we&#

    by Edward_nygma

    Capt. Spaulding; Guy Pierce is who fanboys have been clamouring for as Dent since rumours started that the character would cameo in Begins. All its really based on, besides the fact that they want him for the role, is the fact that he's worked with Nolan before. I just think there're better people i.e. Liev Schrieber. And anyone doubting that Eccleston could be the Joker just check out this manip of him with Joker-face:

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Starbuck Redux

    by jthhere

    Battlestar Galactica reintroduced Starbuck, but now the character is a woman. Why not with the Joker? How about Katie Sackhoff who plays Starbuck? Wide grin, physical, and cigar lover. You could also introduce a Batman/Joker romantic angle that might take the movie beyond the comic. As to Robin, a comic book can depict a teenaged boy with fighting skills beyond his abilities, but an actor playing that role is limited by the real world. Robin's purpose in the Batman series was to attract a male audience with a character it could identify with. Robin's a marketing gimmick and I can't see any rationale for his introduction. Face it: if Nolan's Batman was sui generis and you had heard that the sequel was going to introduce a teenaged boy as a crimefighting ally, we'd all be rolling our eyes.

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Brian C Bethel from Grayson Trailer

    by Animation

    I kinda liked the guy who played "The Villain" (The Joker) in that Grayson fan-made trailer (google: Grayson trailer). His name was Brian C Bethel. I just seem to really remember liking him. Otherwise, I think Crispin Glover would rock.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 6:40 a.m. CST

    Winky Man

    by SnowMann

    No Batgirl. Your conclusion was in no way based on facts. In fact, mine isn't either, except that it feels ALL WRONG for Nolan to introduce Batgirl. Too cheesy for him. Also, while you are quoting "facts", it is in no way a fact that The Joker is going to be the villain. I'm not arguing the point. I'm sure he will be. But it's not a fact. Case in point? Films producer, saying Joker isn't necessarily the villain. So yea, I've done my homework. And I'm telling you, there's no batgirl. There's more likely to be Ace the batdog than Barbara Gordon donning a cape any time soon.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Jon Stewart for Joker...

    by able

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 8:20 a.m. CST

    Paul Bettany

    by happybunny

    He sounds like a good choice, I think he could do a great job with the joker. Crispin Glover would be cool to watch, but then there's always the meltdown factor to consider. Which, of course, would be cool to watch, too. actor that could bring something real to the role, or someone crazier than a shithouse rat to watch for the sheer pleasure of it? *That's* a hard one.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Sneaking in the back door to say

    by mortsleam

    Paul Bettany is a very good choice for Joker, although I still think he should have been Constantine in a movie based in London featuring an englishman entitled Hellblazer. And I wish you idiots would stop this needless Batgirl fanfic bullshit, because it ain't going to happen until at least the fourth movie, with a new director, and probably a new Batman. BUT... if one did have to shoehorn her in, why not follow the TRUE origins of her character. Barbara Gordon first appeared on the 60's Batman TV show as Commisioner Gordon's niece, who dressed up in a homemade costume for a party and was subsequently involved in one of those hostage situations that always take place at parties in Gotham. She became so popular that she eventually showed up in the comics. So in the movie, have her be Gordon's neice (Evan Rachel Wood is brilliant casting), have her dress up as "Batgirl" as a lark. Have Joker show up and cripple her just because he doesn't like her costume. No heroics, no crimefighting, just random, senseless, insane violence. The killing joke.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 10:47 a.m. CST

    the joker

    by blackthought

    judge rienhold or bob sagat

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 12:21 p.m. CST

    by HolyCalamity ..seriously people, I change my vote, if this guy can do the joker, well shit! He looks just like him, wow!

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Dutch from 'the shield'

    by adamskidunc

    Jay karnes aka:'dutch'from 'the shield'. he s got that lazy psychotic grin - and he can do downtrodden quite well - perfect if they go with the failed comic gone mad storyline. best of all he s kinda unknown.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 1:07 p.m. CST

    No offense, but Paul Bettany couldn't look anything less lik

    by axelfoley

    And could you, just for maybe 5 minutes, so kissing the guy's ass just because he happens to be good looking. What, the guy from Wimbledon to play the Crown Prince of Crime? Fuck all of you. Seriously.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 1:17 p.m. CST

    No axelfoley, not the guy from Wimbledon

    by mortsleam

    The manic funny guy from A Knight's Tale, and the creepy psychotic guy from A Beautiful Mind, and the scary violent as hell guy from Gangster No. 1. I've always been in the Crispin Glover bandwagon, but it's true that the man is too odd and difficult to work with, and Nolan has a habit of casting thespian, not freakshows, and most of the cast is English, and out of the two that are (apparently) being seriously considered, I would personally rather have Bettany than Hulme.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Eccelston and Diamond

    by monorail77

    I love the idea of Eccelston. The yanks may not have gotten the new Dr. Who, but the Canucks did and he was, well, Fantastic. One thing tho' - can he do American accent? No North Country accent will work as Joker. If not Eccelston, I think they should at least audition Dustin Diamond (Screech). No seriously, bear with me on this one. Have you ever seen him in interviews or anything when he's not being Screech? He's pretty sharp. Who knows, he might be brilliant. He'd definitely have the look down. As for Bettany, I just don't know. I fear he'd be too over the top.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Re: The Joker's origin...

    by Edward_nygma

    ... he's already the Joker by the end of Begins, so we might not see it. Obviously there is the chance of flashbacks though.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Conrad Veidt

    by Gwynplaine

    How about Kevin Bacon, skinny and a great actor, Viggo Mortensen, the right intensity and grin, Daniel Day-Lewis, crazy and commited too bad he would never do it, or even better a CGI version (a la Gollum) with Conrad Veidt from the 1928 film "The man who laughs". Whatever but please no more fat, old funny guy.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 4:02 p.m. CST

    premise for movie 2

    by Batguy

    I would love to see Rupert Thorne show up in Gotham to 'take over' Falcone's operations. He brings in Dr. Hugo Strange to synthesize a new strain of Crane's toxin, which is what the "Red Hood" falls into, thus creating the Joker, who kills Hugo Strange almost right away. Batman jumps in to prevent a mob war. Just me $0.02... SDC

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 4:03 p.m. CST


    by Sean38

    Whoever they get to play the Joker, I hope that he's simply a psychotic killer in makeup. A skinny John Wayne Gacy. And what makes him so dangerous is that he has ABSOLUTELY no fear. No being dipped in toxic stew...just a nutjob in makeup.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 4:55 p.m. CST

    The Monk

    by Gwynplaine

    Bring back The Monk and his werewolwes, have Batman fight him in a remote eastern Europe country with guns, in black and white, with a horror feel and an R rating, like an old Universal horror film, the way Bob Kane first intended it before he was hit with the Hays code. Never bring back Robin or Batgirl again and please remember Harley Quinn is not a character worthy of the batman mythology.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Ah yes Mortsleam, A Knight's Tale, the movie where a bunch o

    by axelfoley

    And yes, Britboy is the guy from Wimbledon. Would you be praising Bettany if he was Paul Giamatti?

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Leary, Leary, Leary........

    by Shermdawg

    I'll hold the barf bag for ya, ALotCooler. He'd still rule.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 10:38 p.m. CST


    by blackthought

    when i read the monk, i thought someone was talking bout tony shaloub.

  • Sept. 22, 2005, 11:31 p.m. CST

    He'd better look like this

    by carver677 I don't care who plays him, what's important is how they write him and how he looks, and that above is what he ought to look like. He's evil, maniacal and very, very cold.

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 12:48 a.m. CST

    Isn't obvious:

    by PurityOfEssence

    Dolph Lundgren is the only choice.

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Timothy Olyphant

    by Turd Furgeson

    I love the idea of Timothy Olyphant. This guy makes every part he plays cool. The only thing that worries me is how he played psycho in Scream2. A little corny and over the top but he can act. I just don't see them casting this part until the script is written because they would want to cast the right actor depending on how the joker is written. If they write him like "The Killing Joke" then I see Adrian Brody fitting well. If they go the cold psycho killer with no sense of reality angle, then I see Olyphant or Crispin Glover. With my luck it will wind up being some fuck like Ben Afleck... Loved the first one and glad to see they aren't rushing this one too much yet.

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 2:56 a.m. CST

    steve buscemi

    by ipolo

    nuff said

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 5:17 a.m. CST

    A few potentials

    by hooties mcboob

    How about some of these actors as The Joker? Willem Dafoe- I know, played avillain but he has the look... think shadow of the vampire Macaulay Culkin- the guy looks fucking creepy now. Jack Nicholson Jack Black- Could look evil and the smile is there Sean William Scott- A bit younger, and same reason as above. Steve Buscemi Liev Schreiber James Marsden Josh Lucas Are they going to go with ayounger or older Joker? remember that they changed the death of Bruce's parents in Begins from the original in that Napier was not their killer, so we have a new template to work with. The Joker has to physically be able to go toe to toe with Bale.

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 5:31 a.m. CST

    a couple more...

    by hooties mcboob

    I've seen Mackenzie Crook mentioned. But what Martin Freeman? And Ricky Gervais, for that matter could do a great job. Check out the extras for The Office DVD- he does maniacal naturally.

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 6:08 a.m. CST

    re: the jokers origin

    by adamskidunc

    yea but they did flash backs in the first film so they ll probably do it again.

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Dear Turd...

    by HolyCalamity

    Thak you man, I have been waiting for someone to share my opionion!! I agree I thought about Scream 2 and was wondering, but then I thought of every other roll he has been in, the guy rocks hard core.

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 11:08 a.m. CST


    by HolyCalamity

    I'm a dick..

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 12:05 p.m. CST


    by Gwynplaine

    The joker should be creepy, skinny and extremely dangerous, scary but charming also, like Lecter in the silence of the lambs, not a fat old bufoon who farts and cracks jokes like Nicholson did. Viggo Mortensen would be great if he lost some weight, so would Kevin Bacon. How about the very creepy actor who played Goebbels in Hitler's movie : Downfall". The new Batman movie should be set in the 30's, like what Jackson is doing with King Kong.

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 1:48 p.m. CST

    by Tommy West

    Bettany , done and done

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 4:16 p.m. CST

    WILL FERRELL as the Joker

    by red_tron

    now why hasnt anyone suggested that one? But dont get me wrong, Sean Penn and Crispin Glover, hell yeah!

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Heh... Affleck.

    by Childe Roland

    You know, if the guy could only act, he would actually be pretty good, facially for the part.

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Daniel Craig

    by Gwynplaine

    Daniel Craig would be an interesting choice for the Joker as he did creepy very well in road to perdition (better than Jude Law in the same movie), Eric Bana would also be a possibilty, check him out in Chopper, if he gains weight like he did in that movie he can probably also lose it. Who is a young Martin Landau or Klaus Kinski nowaday , that would be the right direction to look for? Please no comedian.

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Sorry to cross post...

    by Childe Roland

    ... and quote myself, but this came out of the Quentin Tarantino thread and was one of the few things I posted there that I was serious about. What if they had QT play the Clown Prince? Not only does he have the requisite horseface, he's got the kind of deluded self image and insistence that he's the only one really "getting it" that the Joker would need. He's got the chronic ADD and manic energy level (although his is probably more drug fueled than insanity driven, most folks wouldn't notice the difference). And, to complete the picture, he is pretty darned clever when he puts his mind to it. This could well be the role he was born to play and you can bet he'd insist on writing his own dialogue - which could be a very cool thing (just, for the love of god, don't let him co-direct). I think this might be my new favorite idea for QT's next project.

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Di Caprio of course

    by Gwynplaine

    Di Caprio, tall, skinny, and a great actor, he would probably be perfect as the Joker, especially if it went the way of the killing joke (in my dreams). Check out for the exact way the joker should be portrayed. It is a doctored picture from Conrad Veidt in the man who laughs, supposedly one of the main inspiration for Bob Kane's immortal creation, and it is miles away from cesar Romero or Jack Nicholson buffoonish portrayal of the one and only clown prince of crime. May the powers that in the next Batman film be more inspired by Alex in Clockwork orange than by , say Jack Black or Will Ferell.

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 6:49 p.m. CST

    It's Over

    by gamesix

    Hey so how do you like this as the beginning of Batman Begins Again...Rachel Dawes has been appointed DA after Finch gets capped by those dudes. Early on in the movie, the Joker kidnaps her, really goes to town on her and establishes what a lunatic he is. I also like the ideas from earlier in the talkback about the fear toxin being what he sprays from his flower. The clues are all there we just gotta connect the dots. Finch is dead, Dawes promoted, Dawes murdered, hello Dent. Dent/Bats/Gordo take down the Joker, Batman Begins Yet Again opens with Gordo as commish and Dent gettin fucked up. What say you oh all knowing talkback?

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Still Over

    by gamesix

    BTW, count me in for Brittany Murphy as Harley Quinn...if they even go w/a Harley, which I doubt they would...

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 9:45 p.m. CST


    by bighank

    I have looked at everyone's ideas on who should play the joker...You have to remember that the success of the first Batman(Tim Burton) and the new Nolan Batman was the unexpected cast. NOBODY saw bale coming!! NOBODY saw Michael Keaton coming!! Nicholson was a shoe-in, but the new joker will have to be unexpected. Glover is creepy enough to pull off the joker, but can he really. He's creepy and wierd, but by no means frightening to anyone! Nicholson could be funny as hell and turn around and chill your shit! Penn could do it, but would he? And you run the risk of the curse of the old Batmen films where the villan takes away from the story and Batman becomes scenery in his own films! I think Nolan will have to pick an actor that will make you question his choice. An actor that will make you say "Chris, I dont know about that one, but...." You dont think they said the same thing about Keaton..He was a comedian! All his roles prior: Nightshift, Beetlejuice, Gung Ho...who would have thunk it?! I was like "Tim, I dont know about this one, but..." And it worked!! Many dont know, but Burton was also considering Bill Murry and Kurt Russell. So the joker will have to be dark, sadistic, crazy, but not theatrical..and totally unexpected!!

  • Sept. 24, 2005, 1:41 a.m. CST


    by rolling33

    Johnny Depp as the joker with the killing joke origin story would be awsome. A little Hunter S. Thompson wit h A little Willy Wonka.

  • Sept. 24, 2005, 7:37 a.m. CST

    Andy Hallet as the Joker

    by nhbrian

    He played Lorne on Angel, would be kick-as as the Joker

  • Sept. 24, 2005, 10:57 a.m. CST


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  • Sept. 24, 2005, noon CST

    No, he'd better look like this

    by Gwynplaine

    As I've said before check out paradews. com/joker2.jpg for it is a perfect rendition of how the Joker should look, kudos to the person who doctored that photo of the great Conrad Veidt from "The man who laughs". It doesn't really matter who plays Him as long as he is a great actor and it goes the way of that picture. If they use a fat old or young funny guy again to portray the Joker they might as well bring back Schumacher and his Bat nipples.

  • Sept. 25, 2005, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Joker Casting

    by templar

    If there are only TWO choices. Lachy Hulme and Paul Bettany. Who would you choose???????????????????????????????????????????????? By the way, I still like Crispin Glover. Call me nuts but I liked his performance in Willard. I also just think he looks like the Joker. Maybe I'm wrong

  • Sept. 25, 2005, 11:11 a.m. CST

    can't they just...

    by blackthought

    pull a roger rabbit and use the joker from btas and just make him life size and composite that sum bitch, cuz we know he is the best joker ever put on any screen.

  • Sept. 25, 2005, 3:28 p.m. CST


    by Trevor Goodchild

    And Johnny Knoxville as Plastic Man

  • Sept. 25, 2005, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Benicio Del Toro!!

    by jojo-pimp

    Look at that dude in Sin City....he can play a creepy ass bastard any day of the week....and we all know the guy is talented. He could also be a physical match for Christian Bale...check out his kick ass work in The Hunted! He has the look!!

  • Sept. 25, 2005, 9:10 p.m. CST


    by Shermdawg

    Nuff said.

  • Sept. 25, 2005, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Paul Bettany is an excellent choice

    by Decepticon

    He was magnificently evil and creepy in Gangster No.1. The bombastic theatricality he displayed in the otherwise mediocre Knight's Tale seems tailormade for an over the top character like the Joker, and Bettany's got the chops to find the menace underneath the clownish exterior. He's got a great voice and a tall, lanky frame (Bettany would have made a great Mr. Fantastic); he's got all the ingredients to be an excellent Joker. Guy Pierce is a strong actor, and could probably could do a fine job as Two Face, but I haven't seen him be as vicious and evil as I hope the character will be in an eventual movie. I would love to see Terence Howard from Hustle and Flow in the role. Those doubtful he can play a virtuous DA should check him out in that Bruce Willis WWII POW flick (the name escapes me) where he played a captured Air Force officer. He is as adept at playing noble as he is at being dark and nasty. He brings to the screen all the qualities I'd like to see in Dent and Two Face. To me, Harvey Dent's should be so magnetic, intelligent, likable and genuinely dedicated to justice that even his flaws-- ego, cockiness, vanity, an air of moral inflexibility -- are forgivable and even a little charming . These are traits we expect in ambitious, driven men -- we often find them admirable. He's got an almost Kennedyesque (John F-- Republicans please substitute Joe Scarborough) glow that makes it understandable why Batman would like (and even be a little jealous) of Dent, and make his fall into madness all the more tragic and not simply the just desserts of an insufferable jerk. That's why I liked Dent's depiction in Batman;Year One; before that, he was usually portrayed as such preening self-involved pretty boy and/or wussy goody two-shoes that I wondered why I should feel sympathy at all for him. Two Face is Harvey Dent seen through a funhouse, all his flaws and virtues twisted and magnified. Like Mr. Hyde he is a moral abyss: there are no limits to his visciousness, hunger and drives, other than a flip of a coin. But he should also be truly intimidating and an even better at evil than he was at good. Like Tony Montana in Scarface, even stone cold killers should piss themselves when he enters a room. I think Pierce could nail Dent (no puns intended), and he can definitely portray tortured psyches (Memento, LA Condential), but I've yet to see him deliver that alpha male evil that I would want to see in Two Face. I think Howard could really bring that monstrous side to life. Sam Rockwell would make a great Riddler, Angelina Jolie should be Catwoman, and as The Penguin -- GUZMAN!! OK, Philip Seymour Hoffman, although Luis Guzman is a really cool actor (role should have been Bob Hoskin's the first time anyway).

  • Sept. 25, 2005, 11:28 p.m. CST

    VINCENT CHASE FOR JOKER.....and Johnny Drama can play Bob the Go

    by axelfoley

    to hell with Aquaman

  • Sept. 25, 2005, 11:44 p.m. CST

    PAUL Bettany = JOKER

    by Frank_Serpico

    Fucking brilliant choice. Was magnificent in Gangster No.1 and the best part in any movie. Can really see him going toe to toe with Christian Bale. Just one thing .. can he pull off Joker's manical laugh .. thats the one thing i want to see.

  • Sept. 26, 2005, 1:23 p.m. CST

    I'm changing my vote to Michael Showalter

    by hktelemacher

    I know I'm the only one, but when this cat plays angry/manic it's astounding. He's got just the right roller coaster screen persona for Joker. A couple more outside the box choices: Jason Bateman and Eric Stoltz.

  • Sept. 26, 2005, 3:09 p.m. CST


    by Gwynplaine

  • Sept. 26, 2005, 4:05 p.m. CST


    by blackthought

    brian michael bendis!

  • Sept. 26, 2005, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Hugh Laurie = Joker


    Hey Folks, I was watching House the other night and there was this shot where Hugh's face was in shadow execpt for his eyes that screamed Joker to me.

  • Sept. 26, 2005, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Here's one for ya!

    by DuncanDisorderly

    I don't think anybody has mentioned another fellow Brit who could be an absolutely sublime Joker. David Walliams, of Little Britain fame, already has proven he can play maniacal and creepy characters; he's also comfortable in garish and outrageous costumes and also has a similar joker build.

  • Sept. 27, 2005, 2:49 p.m. CST


    by blackthought

    tony blaire!

  • Sept. 28, 2005, 7:07 a.m. CST

    The Joker

    by drbrucebanner

    This is a tough one both Beattney and Crispin are amazing. I

  • Oct. 7, 2005, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Bettany as Joker

    by MisterCee

    Bettany is a good choice, but the only real candidate for Joker is Richard E Grant. The guy has got a mouth like he was hit in the face with a machete. Just watch "... Ahead in Advertising" for how to play nuts