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Ahoy, squirt! Quint here with some reviews of FINAL FANTASY: ADVENT CHILDREN. I know this is out on DVD in Asia, but it's just now starting to play some bigger fests like VENICE, so the reviews are coming in. I've never really gotten into any of the FINAL FANTASY games, but I do respect the huge fanbase it has. It sounds like there is some beautiful CG imagery in this new film. Enjoy the reviews!

Hey Harry & Mori,

I don’t often have a scoop, seeing as I live in the Netherlands, so usually, I only have news for you when I visit the Rotterdam Film Festival. However, recently I “had the chance” to see Final fantasy VII – Advent children early, and after reading the review on AnimAICN, I thought I’d weigh in too.

Just like that reviewer, I’m a massive fan of Final fantasy VII, the game this film is a sequel to. In fact, it’s my favourite game of all time (and I’ve played a few games, believe me). And so the first few minutes of the feature were absolutely fantastic: just seeing my favourite characters again, and brought to life so vividly, was emotionally overwhelming. However, it soon turned out that, along with its stunning visuals and outstanding action scenes, nostalgia was all the film had going for it.

Advent children weaves a shallow, confused story that ties directly into some of the themes that were explored more fully in FFVII the game. If you didn’t play its source material, don’t even bother watching Advent children (unless all you need out of a flick is great action). Its character arcs are extremely superficial. Its villains are one-note and shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same breath as FFVII’s multilayered bad guy. There are moments of sudden, cloying sentimentality (the ending being especially egregious). Characters show up out of nowhere with not even the smallest nod to logic or continuity, just to incorporate them all into the film. The flow of the film is all wrong, with the majority of the action scenes in the latter half of the film, while much of the running time of the first half is taken up by stunted exposition and character interaction that, for the most part, rings false. The story itself is completely without surprises.

I could go on. But it all comes down to one simple fact: Advent Children wants nothing more than to dilute the entire 60+ hours experience of the game into a 90 minute narrative. Some of the same emotional beats are followed, but the creators seem to be thinking: “This’ll work because the viewer will think back to the game” instead of “This’ll work because it works in the context of the film.” What you’re left with is a film that turns your TV set into a mirror: if you’re a hopeless fanboy, you’ll love the hell out of it. If you’re not, even if you love the game but retain some critical faculties, you’ll be bored to tears in between the action scenes.

Yes, the action scenes are great – though sometimes a little too over the top at times (and the fast editing makes it too hard to follow). But the bottom line is: this film doesn’t have anything to offer non-Final fantasy fans; and since it doesn’t actually bring anything new to the table for fans either, it’s pretty much another failed film experiment from Square Enix, and a major, major disappointment. Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to play FFVII again to wash the taste out of my mouth.

3 stars out of five, just for the visuals and actions scenes.

The Last Lizard, signing off.

And now one that likes it even better than the above reviewer!

Oh Lord, I'll run out of adjectives on this one...

The /Final Fantasy/ role-playing game series is by far the most popular, reknowned and hailed series in that particular genre for computer or console players on earth. Square is the name of the company who created /Final Fantasy/, a franchise which spawned a whole lot of brilliant games on almost every platform available. In 2001 Square decided to take their franchise to an entirely new level and released a theatrical movie called *FINAL FANTASY: THE SPIRITS WITHIN*, which remains unbeaten in technological standards until this day. Sadly, the completely computer-generated movie disappointed many fans with its boring story and lame pacing.

Some time after the flop of the extremely expensive movie, short trailers of something called *FINAL FANTASY VII: ADVENT CHILDREN* began to roam the internet and fans were delving into anticipation instantly, once again. Near the end of 2004, the fans finally got what they were waiting for - a movie based on the (seldom disputed) best game in /Final Fantasy/ history, which is the seventh instalment in the main series. People who have never heard of something called /Final Fantasy VII/ may leave now, because this review is recommended for fans only, since you cannot write about this movie in a purely subjective way if you know the game.

The entire fact, that this film has been released on video and was only granted few theatrical screenings, shows that Square Enix (as the company's name is now) made this movie to please the core of their supporters - the fans of the game. *FINAL FANTASY VII: ADVENT CHILDREN* takes place two years after the events of the video game, which has been released on PlayStation and PC, and its prologue does little to set up a base of knowledge for someone who has never gotten in touch with /Final Fantasy VII/. Nevertheless, those who know the original story will have a hard time taking their eyes off the screen if only for a second as soon as the prologue starts.

*ADVENT CHILDREN* has - as its unlucky predecessor - entirely been computer-generated and the experience is the same as watching a 100-minute, extremely-high quality in-game movie. The visuals are breathtaking and your eyes will have a difficult time staying open this wide for so long. The whole world and scenery and every little object or item looks astonishingly realistic, even if the characters cannot match the brilliance of *FINAL FANTASY: THE SPIRITS WITHIN*. There are maybe one or two awkward moments of animation, but - really - you don't care. Every single second of this movie makes you gasp in awe of what you're experiencing.

The story may not be the ultimate achievement in writing ever, especially compared to the /Final Fantasy VII/ story itself and even to die-hard fans of the game, but it does work and keeps you fixed on the action until the last sound of the ending theme has vanished. But - again - you won't really care, because Square Enix have done a beautiful job in connecting dramatic moments with awesome action sequences. There is a great motorcycle chase right at the beginning which introduces the main character, Cloud Strife, whose not-so-childish-anymore looks are obviously based on Japanese singer Gackt, and his opponent, the Jenova spawn Kadaj.

Fans of the game will try hard to keep their heartbeat steady when well-known characters make appearances every five minutes and remember all the great moments of the game when short flashbacks interrupt the rash pacing. The second big fighting sequence features Tifa Lockheart and you're gonna burst out in laughter when the original winning theme is suddenly played, only to see that it's actually the bad guy's handy ringtone! A classic moment in movie history, if you ask me.

Another ultimately great moment, or let's say a whole lot of connected moments, is the gorgeous and very long sequence of the whole hero party fighting big bad Bahamut. Seriously, that fight beats every other action sequence I've ever witnessed and if you're gonna complain about those jumps not being realistic, I'll guarantee to kick your ass so hard that you're gonna feel like Cloud in exactly that sequence. Speaking of Bahamut, there are so many big or little insiders in this movie that you'll have to watch it twice at least to catch every one. Hell, even Cait Sith is in this!

The ending of the movie really puts a satisfying and sad edge to the entire story of the /Final Fantasy VII/ saga, even if the big showdown of Cloud versus Sephiroth cannot quite live up to the Bahamut fight. There's Aeris at the end and, seriously, you'll want to cry, if you didn't already. But not everything in this movie is sad, of course - especially Reno gives a shining performance that will make you smile more than once. Just to add it here, all the voice actors did a terrific job and I won't name a single one, because there is not a single exception. I also advice you to watch this with the original Japanese voices, because it's just the way it should be watched. I haven't seen a American dubbed version of *ADVENT CHILDREN*, but then, I don't want to.

Nobuo Uematsu, who has written the soundtrack for almost every /Final Fantasy/ game, has also done the movie's soundtrack and this is, of course, a blessing. He uses many themes of the original game soundtrack and shows once again, that he's possibly the best man for fantasy soundtracks on every platform, be it game or movie. Tetsuya Nomura has done a beautiful job directing this movie, which is full of climactic moments, gorgeous action sequences and quiet, sad scenes. There is not a single misplaced shot in the entire movie, so I'd say, work well done.

*ADVENT CHILDREN* is the holy grail for /Final Fantasy/ lovers and nothing short of brilliant. Its story is, of course, not as well-developed as in one of the games, but this is a 100-minute movie and no game where you can spend 80 hours on. In return you get a movie that will blow your mind, features the usual coolness and style of any of the games and will end your /Final Fantasy VII/ experience in a way you've ever dreamt of. The average movie fan may prefer a movie like *CASSHERN* to see his cinematic dreams in a similar genre fulfilled, but for fans of the game, *FINAL FANTASY VII: ADVENT CHILDREN* can only be described by one single word: Perfection.


See ya, Cava~

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  • Sept. 18, 2005, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Now had they released this back in 2001 as opposed to Spirits Wi

    by Terry_1978

    It still wouldn't have broken even. This entire genre is a niche.

  • Sept. 18, 2005, 9:39 p.m. CST


    by Toxic Frog


  • Sept. 18, 2005, 9:39 p.m. CST


    by team america

  • Sept. 18, 2005, 9:41 p.m. CST


    by ReDWasK

    i enjoyed it as a FF geek, but anyone who hasnt played the game could only possibly enjoy the animation, otherwise they'd hate it

  • Sept. 18, 2005, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Final Fantasy is such a waste...

    by Uwe Boll's Brain

    Unlike the gems House of the Dead and Alone in the Dark. And, of course, Home Alone 3. Let's talk about something important, like the soon to be released A History of Violence, which I'm more excited about than King Kong. HOV is going to be the best movie of the year...I GUARANTEE IT.

  • Sept. 18, 2005, 9:46 p.m. CST


    by SG7

    "The /Final Fantasy/ role-playing game series is by far the most popular, reknowned and hailed series in that particular genre for computer or console players on earth." -> bullshit. Maybe for console tards who can't handle more that a few buttons and enjoy retard big haird giant gun/sword combat.

  • Sept. 18, 2005, 9:47 p.m. CST

    I wonder

    by Knight of Ni

    I loved FF VII, I may just have to check out this movie, I wont have my hopes too high though. Personally what I would like to see is a FF VII redone with all the latest in technology, same story, characters, etc. but reworked with better graphics now available.

  • Sept. 18, 2005, 10:04 p.m. CST

    You know, I liked FF8 better than 7 but.....

    by Doc_Strange

    Final Fantasy 3 as it was called here in the States or Final Fantasy 6 in Japan was without a doubt the BEST FUCKING RPG I ever played. The story was perfect and the characters were awesome, plus it's one of the few FF games to have a female protagonist. I think a lot of people think FF7 is the best because Aeris dies in the game. I could argue on and on about which is better but I won't get anywhere except flames from overzealous fanboys.

  • Sept. 18, 2005, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Perhaps Next Time They'll Hire A Writer

    by ZombieSolutions

    FF:AV is absolutely beautiful visually, it's true. unfortunately, nobody bothered to write a story for it... again. sigh.

  • Sept. 18, 2005, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Yes, FFVIII is the best

    by performingmonkey

    While Final Fantasy VII brought the FF series to a new audience (i.e. an audience that kissed Sony's ass), FF VIII tops it on just about every level. The main character, Squall, is much more interesting than Cloud, and the rest of the characters rule. I suppose some anal people would prefer VII because it's more typically Japanese, but VIII is a contender for the greatest game of all time. This isn't IGN so maybe less talk about games now... The movie will suck. It was always going to suck. Sadly, Square fucked up big time with Spirits Within. Why they thought 'Hey, let's make a Final Fantasy movie but make it nothing like Final Fantasy' I don't know. The story was crap. They should have simply adapted FFVII or VIII for a movie.

  • Sept. 18, 2005, 10:49 p.m. CST

    its crap

    by Magnethead

    but its really really pretty crap

  • Sept. 18, 2005, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Finally a headline!

    by Neo Zeed

    Good job Quint! How can dogshit movies get theatrical releases and this doesn't? It's the '05 and we're still holding back the cool anime?!

  • Sept. 19, 2005, midnight CST

    Will there ever be a "final" Final Fantasy

    by Bargin Hunter in 3D

    Watched the trailer to the movie, it looks very pretty. I had with Spirits, the script needed to be writen by actual screen writers. Also the voice acting was down right terrible, zero acting just reading off the page lead to such dead pan emotions, or lack there of. If they can just "try" to get the voice actors to actually act instead of showing up for an easy pay check and give them some decent plots to get involved with, then maybe it might work but until then this is nothing more than a movie for the 9 to 12 year olds, maybe that's who it is for anyway.

  • Sept. 19, 2005, midnight CST

    Doesn't hold a candle to the spirit within

    by ZP-Blight

    Even when compared to the spirit within, this movie is bad. It's confusing, disjointed and the pacing is bad. Not to mention that parts of the story aren't really explained well, not even if you played the game. If you do plan on watching it, I recommend going to wikipedia and reading the section on "Sephiroth" as it pretty much outlines the whole back-story to this movie and will make things a lot clearer. If this thing was released on the big-screen, it would have seriously flopped. This isn't a self-contained anime, no one would understand what's going on (other than players who remember a game from quite a few years back).

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 1:05 a.m. CST

    FF6 was the best game by far

    by Mavrikfire

    FF7 was damn good, but anyone who has played FF6 (FF3 in America) knows that it stands tall as the best FF game. If you haven't played it, I strongly encourage you to trak down one of those re-releases for the playstation. People always seem to neglect this title, probably because it was the last one before the mammoth success of 7, but I assure you, it is better in everyway. FF8 was good until the story in the last quarter of the game got ridiculously stupid and ruined it by the way! Ultimate villian in that one? Unoriginal and uninspired and dumb.

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 1:07 a.m. CST


    by Mavrikfire

    And oh yeah, FF6 was for the SNES. If you're shallow and can't handle the old school graphics, don't bother

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 2:01 a.m. CST

    I watched it the other day.

    by HavocZer0

    Wayyyyy better than the Spirits Within but essentially it's a mindless action film at heart. but combined with characters fans already know and love, and one suprise return (well I was caught off-guard at least -- The person in the white hood from the trailer is not who you think it is). Anyways, a lot of characters get shafted but fans of Cloud, Tifa and The Turks should be happy. Oh that and it's the prettiest thing I've ever seen.

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 2:10 a.m. CST

    Doc_Strange and Mavrikfire --

    by OldEnoughForMe

    I absolutely agree with the both of you. And by me doing so, we all should agree that Hollywood sucks because Hollywood can't direct invigorating 'cool' sci-fi action sequences. Hollywood, f-ck off if you can't deliver. Oh, yeah... f-ck off... cuz you're out of ideas.

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 2:17 a.m. CST


    by Chaka

    When Aeris was killed, why didn't anyone use a Phoenix Down on her to bring her back =) As for which is the "best" rpg, isn't that all subjective to personal taste? Heck, while I loved 3, that ending was terrible. 7 was amazing looking, but also left me a bit cold at the end. Personally, I dug 9 ... hey, to each his own, right?

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 2:46 a.m. CST

    the best analogy to describe this film is...

    by Strabo

    This film is to Final Fantasy fans like Knockin' On Heaven's Door was to Bebop fans. It's not going to make much sense to non-initiates and it's not going to be enjoyable to them either (beyond respect for the visuals...oddly I found Bahamut to be one of the most believably rendered things in the film...). But for fans who are familiar with the series...yeah, it'll be fun.

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 3:11 a.m. CST

    I can't wait for this.

    by jrbarker

    FFVII is the best game ever.

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 3:20 a.m. CST

    I wholeheartedly agree

    by topaz4206

    I agree this film does have a heart, underneath all the pretty stuff blowing up. It's Cloud finally learning how to NOT be a c**ksucker. This film has ruined all other animated films for me. I have watched it about 10 times now. I am a grown man. I weeped.

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 3:32 a.m. CST

    Either there's alot of bilinguists in these talkbacks or the

    by TomPalpatine

    Because the one I got is Japanese only with no subtitles. Just curious how anyone can be too critical of the plot when you can't understand the words. I get the broadstrokes: Silver Hair guys pick on everyone, kidnap kids, get weird box from Rufus containing Sephiroth essence, release Bahumut with materia, Cloud beats Sephiroth essence, rains cleaning kids.

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 3:44 a.m. CST

    by spooky2k

    nooooooope. evidently you don't get the sotory. not sure if you know either, but subititles exist for this and have done since it was leaked.

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 4:19 a.m. CST

    The problem with FF7's ending was

    by Doc_Strange

    The fact that all of a sudden some insignificant little kid becomes the focus of the ending, then at the very end it goes into another cinema 500 years later and shows the ruins of shinra with Red 13 and his grandkids. It didn't show whatever happened to the main characters and was basically a copout in my opinion. I really like FF8 because it had a great ending where you thought Squall died but at the very end it shows him and the Female lead (forgot her name), and what happened with everyone. It was perhaps the best ending in a FF game as well as one of the best endings I had seen in any game period. I do have to agree somewhat about FF3's ending but the story itself was totally epic and just when you think the game's gonna end, it's only halfway through. Now that's a game that should be ported over to PS3 and redone. Oh yeah and Cyan kicks ass!!!

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 4:39 a.m. CST

    Rhinoa was her name. CGI hottie circa '99

    by Shermdawg

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 5:39 a.m. CST

    by Roofio

    FFVII:AC while not the greatest plot. It's entertaining. Fight scenes are awesome. CGI is gorgeous. A movie meant to be over the top. Learn it, love it, live it you fucking asstards

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 5:41 a.m. CST

    by misnomer

    they shouldve done a cinematic trilogy of just final fantasy v11 to start with. the whole aeris scene couldve gone down in the history books -the first serious cgi movie ever

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 7:17 a.m. CST

    The problems of FF: The Spirits Within...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...are many. Aside from the sheer boredom factor and the jarring combination of alleged "life-like" humans with easily recognizable Hollywood voices, the po-faced message of the film is what sinks it. The whole hippie Gaia motif and the seven spirits needed to fight off alien ghosts is, well, lame to begin with, but when it's presented in such a laughably serious manner it makes enemies of its viewers almost immediately. It's like Billy Jack in space -- but without the barefoot hapkido and the cool-ass hat. Gotta love the Aki Ross "Thriller" clip on the DVD, though...

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 7:37 a.m. CST

    Script: Final Fantasy. Location: Ext. World Map

    by pandamaster83

    CLOUD: Ok guys, take a look around... Coast Clear? Ok, lets move forward for less than three seconds................ [PEEEEEEEOOOOOOOSSSSHHHHHH... Dadadada-dadadada-dadadada....]CLOUD: Oh no! We seem to have marched straight into a random fight, of which we had no warning what so ever. I would have preferred to explore a bit first, but i suppose this world provides an experience where freedom is secondary to building up exp points. Ok lads, out with your menus. Hmmm.... I think I fancy quick attack. Give me at least a minute whilst I wait my turn... BARRAT: We could always run away, Cloud... CLOUD: Indeed we could, Barrat, but we've been forced to watch this interminable introduction which has interrupted our play to such an extent that running would be a waste. Moreover, if we run, we'll never have the computer-imposed eperience to fight in inescapable confrontations... BARRAT: But surely WE can judge whether or not we're good enough to fight the bosses... CLOUD: No, Barrat, we must trust in the grand design... BARRAT: I don't want to play anymore; my freedon has been compromised for a long script, a bunch of menus, and a foucs on strategy as opposed to skill... CLOUD: Now now, Barrat, some things are more inportant than gameplay. Sure, some would argue that if you want to experience a good non-interactive story, read a book or watch a film; and if you want to focus on strategy as opposed to skill, play chess. Perhaps that is why our experience has been released on DVD: perhaps the grand designers have seen the error of their ways and admitted that there is really very little interactivity in our world after all. BARRAT: I don't care much for Desperate Housewives... CLOUD: Yes, Barrat, you have said so on several occassions.

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 7:44 a.m. CST

    I meant 'important'... typo...

    by pandamaster83

    In any case, I wouldn't call any FF game, (or any turn-based RPG for that matter) the greatest game ever. Sure, even if a game doesn't have arcade or real-time controls which focus on skill, it can still be good. But it's really more of a good story than a good game. It would be like giving Star Wars the best picture oscar for having a good soundtrack instead of focusing on best picture criteria.

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 9:17 a.m. CST

    it sucked

    by Illinest

    if you have any storytelling standards at all... If you've never played the game, you will be completely confused from frame one.

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 9:35 a.m. CST

    That's SO weird, I was just dreaming about Pac-Man last nigh


    Still the greatest video game ever. Well...make that Ms Pac-Man.

  • "I will not be a mere memory BROTHER!"

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Fuck off

    by CellarDoor

    no, seriously, fuck off.

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 10:26 a.m. CST

    FF7 is nothing compared to Xenogears

    by MechaTruffautMk2

    Xenogears is by far the best, coolest console RPG ever made. A runner-up would have to be Chrono Trigger. Then I'd come to the two best Final Fantasy games, by far: FF8 and FF Tactics. FF7 is ok but no great shakes. FF6 is pretty good, but gets kind of lame in its second half. But really, Xenogears owns you all and you know it. If you have any appreciation for science-fiction, fantasy, giant robots, Japanese comic books and you already enjoy the RPG style, this game will melt your eyeballs ala Raiders of the Lost Ark. Xenosaga is great too, though I haven't played the second one.

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Aeris died...

    by Billyeveryteen

    I cried.

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 10:50 a.m. CST

    I Never Played Through An Entire FF Game

    by ZombieSolutions

    the only FF game i played was FF:X, and while I loved watching it (pretty!), playing it was soooooo boring. and the random encounters were just annoying. i gave up on it around the 45 hour of game play time since it didn't seem like it was ever going to end.

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 11:13 a.m. CST

    by spooky2k

    if you gave up at 45 hours of play, either you sucked and didnt get far, or gave up pretty much at the end of the game. Dan x

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Watch it for the fight scenes and animation, forget the story.

    by Bob of the Shire

    I've seen it, it's just a fan service, not really a serious film. And you guys can't talk about the "Best RPG EVAR" until you've at least played Chrono Trigger, Xenogears, Valkyrie Profile, Seiken Densetku 3, Earthbound, or Vagrant Story.

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 11:54 a.m. CST

    "if you gave up at 45 hours of play, either you sucked...or gave

    by ZombieSolutions

    probably a little bit of both. the part i was at was some kinda giant rainbow dragon thing, and the ground kept disappearing underneath the characters... or something. i had the sense that it was close to the end, sorta, but i could hardly tell, i mean, i had already fought what appeared to be the main nemisis (some kinda cosplay / visual-kei looking transsexual dorkus melorkus) several times at that point, but, for some reason, he kept coming back? stonger and even more dorkier than before. basically, at the point i was, i had pretty much lost any concept of the what the story was even about, and had just been killed by the giant rainbow dragon several times, and just didn't care anymore. also: i never got the hang of the totally pointless watersoccer side game. also: spending 30 minutes doling out power-ups to my characters become really irritating. i really loved the visuals though. that's what kept me interested. the turn based combat thing is just mind-numingly boring though after you have seen all the routines about 800 times a piece.

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 1:36 p.m. CST

    1st reviewer was an ass

    by Wyrdy the Gerbil

    Ok maybe the second review was a bit to gushing but really its not that bad ..if you hav`nt played the game a lot of the charactors will mysterify you but the look is great and you get a true feel of what FFIIV was like(as for which rpg is the greatest MorrowindIII wins by a mile imo)

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 2:53 p.m. CST

    FFVII does not take 60+ hours to complete

    by irishfella

    So ths reviewer knows nothing. I played through he game again during the summer to prepare for AC and it took under 40 hours to complete. Heck, i even got knight of the round and even managed to beat the ruby weapon! As for the fight scenes being over the top, i wouldn't know. I haven't seen AC yet but aren't over the top battles what the FF series is about in one way or another.

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Oooops! Sorry, that was emerald weapon.

    by irishfella

    and knights of the round. Ruby weapon is unstopable.

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 3:38 p.m. CST

    A classic moment in movie history, if you ask me...

    by geekzapoppin

    Actually, more like a classic moment in product placement. I swear, the whole film centers around a cell phone. It's lovely garbage.

  • Actually I think Square itself said it topped the quality of animation from the film in a lil short called 'Final Flight of the Osiris' from Animatrix. I i think the award for most realistic 100% CG sequences goes to Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions... well I'd say Reloaded's Burly Brawl. That was some crazy shit!

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 3:55 p.m. CST


    by Bob of the Shire

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 3:57 p.m. CST

    by Bob of the Shire

    Heck yeah, they're over-the-top, what's wrong with that? For example, there is one scene where three different people jump from motorcycle to motorcycle going at 100+ mph through a tunnel, pummeling each other in mid-air. That's why the movie is good, it's fucking CG, why would you want to pull off action pieces that can be done with real actors?

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 3:59 p.m. CST


    by Johnno

    Well actually 'Cowboy bebop: knockin on Heavens Door' could stand on its own since the plot doesn't really fall back on anything except for a few references here and there. It's a good stand alone flic. A better analogy might perhaps be comparing End of Evangelion to Neon Genesis Evangelion. Now there's a film nobody can watch without knowing the source...

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 5:06 p.m. CST

    The first time I played FF7

    by Doc_Strange

    I opted to name the Barret character "Nigga". I know it's probably racist but damn, it was funny as hell everytime someone called his name.

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Fucking Aeris

    by Panthro

    Was I the only one who got pissed of when Aeris died in FF7 because all those experience points and weapons just went down the drain?

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 6:12 p.m. CST

    by foreignerbelt

    Doc Strange I now almost forgive you for spoiling the fuck out of a game I havent played yet. (I'll get around to it). That last post had me laughing out loud. (Apparently I am racist. I didn't know.) Also irishfella Ruby Weapon is only unstoppable if you're a bitch. So. Just so you know what you are. And Panthro nobody fucking uses Aeris. (That could be wrong. But I didnt fucking use her she sucked.) As for the movie, I found myself thinking that this must be more resonant with Japanese people- I know that their language has a different pacing and there are subtle differences in the way that they communicate emotions. Or it could just be bad. I would be interested to see a Japanese review. Anyway it was fun to see all the characters again, as the original game demanded a certain amount of emotional attachment, which is part of why it was good. And the action sequences were quite good. And it did look good. And Tifa's tits still looked gigantic in alot of frames. So. I liked it. But dont see it if you haven't played the game. I can't imagine it would be that good.

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 7:05 p.m. CST

    FF7 aged me.

    by proper

    I had never played an RPG before that so I didn't know what to expect.I had never had random battles or seen a game with that kind of scope before.It had some great momments.I maxed out my top 3 characters to level 100 before the final battle(levelled up way back while Cloud was in hospital) by spending hours fighting mushrooms that gave me 12AP a time(WOW I know what a waste of time,I was young and naive,I needed the gil)and still didn't get Cid's last limit break(Wa';kers).For the most part I enjoyed the game and felt rewarded(gold chocobo check,emarald weapon check,ruby weapon check oh I ran my mouth after doing that one,what a pain,that Boss is a stripe earner for real,I wouldn't swap that for all the gyshal greens in the world ;>) although I never understood the last cut scene after the credits with the red dogs running up to the derelict city(cheers Doc Strange that helped but I agree not really good enough after putting so much time in).Although I understand why people would want a remake count me out,it is an epic and would benefit from new graphics etc but I hate random battles.Irishfella = fair play with your time,it took me much longer,I felt I had to build levels,a fools game A FOOLS GAME I TELL YOU).Saying that I learned from the experience,I finished FF8,I agree good game,enjoyed the card game too (swapped the squall card for 100 heros and finished quicktime)and FF9(that was good,and relatively straight forward too).I saw the PS2 FF but after watching them at a mates house I gave them a miss.Between those 3,Chrono Cross,Parasite Eve 1(2 is one of my favourite survival horrors)and phantasy star online(I felt like shooting myself,never want to see those games again)I feel I earned my stripes.RPG's=great if you have the time,I'm retired.I'll see this if somebody else buys it.Phew that RPG patrol done for a while.

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 7:07 p.m. CST

    or you can swap that crappy last line for this one

    by proper

    da da daaa,der da dat der daaaa.

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Xenogears sucked so much ass it defined felching

    by AppleBalls

    FF7 easily best RPG ever, no fucking contest. Runner up, Secret of Mana.

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 8:09 p.m. CST

    great popcorn fun

    by v1cious

    as long as you don't care about a deep involving story, you'll love it. the action sequences are fantastic, especially the 30 minutes. it definitelly makes up for Spirits Within"

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 8:18 p.m. CST


    by turk128

    Comparing it to Advent is like comparing DBZ to Naruto. Speaking of Matrix, I wish that the sequels had done a third of the badass action in Advent. heck, thought the same when I saw Kungfu Hustle.

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 9:30 p.m. CST

    by foreignerbelt

    ooo. Secret of Mana. nicely played.

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Waaaa nukka

    by Bob of the Shire

    Xenogears rocked, rocked harder than FFVII did. And Chrono Trigger owns every RPG on the SNES, including Mana (and it's under-rated brother, Evermore). Now don't misunderstand me, I love FFVII and it holds a special place in my heart since it was my first 3D RPG, but it's not the best.

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Chrono Trigger

    by Hamtaro_Hentai

    was the single greatest RPG (and console game), both story and gameplay wise, ever made. Oh yeah, FFVII was ok too...

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 10:36 p.m. CST

    The Fight scenes were alright but....

    by PorridgeBy

    Onimusha 3's intro was better. I'm not knocking FF:AC, but the problem with that is I've been oversaturated with Matrix fights and anime to really consider it original or even exciting. ON3's intro was actually motion caputred with Donnie Yen.

  • Sept. 19, 2005, 11:41 p.m. CST

    I think Square should take it to the next level

    by Doc_Strange

    And create an action RPG like morrowind but set in a quasi sci-fi/fantasy setting. With open ended quests and the ability to mod the game down to the very last detail a la Morrowind. Even being able to add more quests. How come games like this aren't being made dammit?

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Well in Morrowind's case

    by Bob of the Shire

    The game was boring and broken. Within the first two hours I had made a spell that permanently boosted my stats, so within minutes I was a super-human. You'd think stuff like that would be worked out during play-testing. Also, Morrowind had the worst combat engine of all time. Oblivion looks hot though, hopefully they fixed a lot of Morrowind's problems.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 2:13 a.m. CST

    Hey Panthro

    by Hamtaro_Hentai

    Did you ever find her ultimate limit-break? Best power in the game by far, even better than Knights Of The Round. Yeah, I hated losing that one (BTW, that's what all the rain that healed everyone was all about...)

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Oh, and Casshern sucked bad.

    by Hamtaro_Hentai

    Wake me up when there's another good part. Oh, wait, him fighting the giant robots for 45 seconds was the only good part? That's a shame...

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 9:45 a.m. CST

    I think capcom should let Square make a 3D Devil May Cry flic

    by Johnno

    Fuck the live action attempt... unless of course they use Matrix's virtual cinematography and bump it up a notch...

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Okay, i couldn't beat Ruby Weapon.

    by irishfella

    But I am not a "bitch" mr.foreignbelter. And I'm not going to come up with some stupid comeback to that remark either because I couldn't care less of what you call me. Surely i'm not the only one who hit a brick wall when it came to Ruby Weapon?

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Y's: The Vanished Omens!

    by L. Duderino

    Now that was a chore! Tower of The Doomed had this room where you lost all your energy, so you could only pass through once, but then you could use a potion and there was something with an endless staircase with a door you couldn't pass.... I guess I should've been playing FF like everybody-and-they-mama...

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Final Fantasy III is where it's at.

    by Pops Freshemeyer

    Final Fantasy VII, on the other hand, turned me off to the series. I played about four or five hours, turned it off, and never played it again. Haven't touched a FF disc since, except for the Anthology...

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 4:26 p.m. CST


    by lopan

    i always thought ff9 was the most fun. that game never gets old to me for some reason. ff7 i played through about 80 billion times back in the day, i probably don't ever need to pick it up again but it;s still a great game. personally though i don't think ruby or emerald weapon hold a candle to ozma from ff9. now that is just fucking frustrating.

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Yep, FFIX was great, it had the best ability setup of any FF gam

    by Shermdawg

  • Sept. 20, 2005, 9:33 p.m. CST

    PS SONY, if you're reading this...!

    by Johnno

    Please, for the love of all that is good, include Last Order: Final Fantasy VII with the DVD release, as an extra or whatever... For one thing it'll clear up some story, character-relation wise... Just do it alright! I'm giving you my money here and now!

  • Sept. 21, 2005, 1:26 p.m. CST

    PS SONY, if you're reading this...!


    ...Please take this "film" and your psp & Umd format and shove it back up whatever orifice it came from. Peace

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 6:35 p.m. CST


    by blackthought

    was the best and still his dammit.

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 7:31 p.m. CST

    not exactly a failed experiment....

    by d.avenant

    This movie is DEFINITELY for FANS ONLY. The story won't be that shallow if you manage to tie in all the references back to the original game... but yes I admit that it is a bit rushed and somewhat superficial. It's basically a "summer movie" type fun action film, with the light story serving little purpose other than transitions in between grand action sequence after grand action sequence. The Film basically relies too much on the viewers nostalgia of the original game to develop any catharsis what so ever to the story line. This technique is pretty rewarding if you are a fan but it will absolutely piss you off if you are not. Hence the opening spiel "for the friends of the planet", ergo, "for fans". Any fan would give this a score of 3 to 5 out of five depending on ther tastes for the deepnes of plot (which this romping nostalgic wham bam action movie has little of), and i'd be surprised if any non fan to give it anything higher than a 2, all of it's devies and pacing are too standard and cliched for it to be appreciated by the un-initiated.

  • Sept. 23, 2005, 10:28 p.m. CST

    About RPG's

    by Aphex Twin

    I still remember it like yesterday. I never liked RPGs that much in my childhood. But I recall my friend playing FF3 (FF6J) and I wondered what all the hoopla was about. I remember my local Best Buy had the game on it's sample station. I ended up playing it for 6 hours in a Best Buy! Pathetic I know...but the story struck a personal chord with me and I purchased it shortly thereafter...oh my God it was the best 80+ hours of gameplay I ever experienced...EVER. Now I've been around some wonderful experiences, FFVII notwithstanding. But VI will always be the best FF. Xenogears is awesome. Chrono Trigger is awesome too. I don't have to pick favorites. I own all of them in their original formats and their remakes. I remember hearing a rumor that they were going to release Final Fantasy 7, 8, and 9 on a single disc for PS2....what ever happened with that? I wouldn't mind a remake of VII, but a complete remake and overhaul of VI WITH a full orchestral soundtrack would be a wetdream come true..Square-Enix are you listening????

  • Sept. 24, 2005, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Aphex Twin...

    by d.avenant

    The absolute best part about FFVI is Kefka. His is the best, and most EVIL (by standards of malicious intent, deviousness, and cruelty: "oh, what would happen if i drop this poison in the water?" ohohoho), and he alone makes FFVI one of the better ones in the series. Sephiroth on the other hand is not completely evil, he's just plain psycho ("i had a bad childhood and my mommy is a vegtable, i'll destroy the world now thank you").

  • Nov. 4, 2005, 6:19 p.m. CST

    You people are sad...

    by Kampbell-Kid

    This movie was great and I await the north american release. Whine because Spirits Within was nothing like the FF games and for Square to redeem themselves they think "hmm lets make our next film a sequel based on the most popular FF storyline to date" and what do I end up reading. Perdictable contrived reasons to tear it apart. Yes the film relies on you knowing the game to understand it's story but that was it's purpose and WHY it went direct to video. If this was a theatrical release I can then complain as to why they don't provide some explanation for the audience that won't know the background of FFVII. Took a break for 6 months and I come back just to see people still shiting on someones parade because they are too primitive to know the right reasons leaving their complaints meritless.