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A structural engineer gets himself sent to the prison he secretly designed in order to help free his brother, incarcerated there for murdering the brother of the U.S. vice president. Is it the next “24”? Or “Oz” without quite so much anal rape? I can tell you that, though “Prison Break” will fill “24’s” timeslot until January, it isn’t anywhere near the latter show’s league.

Even to my puny brain, the show doesn’t make a great deal of sense. The guy who spent years designing a prison can’t remember his own designs without elaborate crib notes? The warden is willing to risk his career to make certain some kind of wacky Popsicle-stick scale model of the Taj Mahal is completed to impress his wife? Perhaps I’m overthinking it. The cast is very charismatic.

Paul Scheuring (“A Man Apart”) does the scripting. Brett Ratner (“After The Sunset”) directs the pilot. According to Rotten Tomatoes, Scheuring’s “A Man Apart” was one of the worst reviewed movies of 2003, garnering positive reviews from only 10 percent of the nation’s critics. Had “Prison Break’s” pilot been released to cinemas, I doubt it would have won much more acclaim than “Apart.”

But what matters Herc’s opinion? Variety says:

… emulating "24's" delicate balancing act is full of potential tripwires, and the surplus of moving parts in the two-hour premiere doesn't make entirely clear how "Break" will escape triggering them. … there's so much setup in Paul Scheuring's script that even in the hands of director Brett Ratner the opening hour leaves more questions than answers. … Fox was well advised to premiere the show in a two-hour format, sinking the hook in a little deeper. Yet even with the premiere sprinkling enough tantalizing bread crumbs to warrant a return visit, there's insufficient evidence as to how the more muddled aspects will unfold over future installments. …

The Hollywood Reporter says:

… Suspend credibility on a few key points and, in return, get a series that keeps you glued to the set for a full hour. … Initial episodes place most of the burden of carrying the drama on [Wentworth] Miller's capable shoulders, and he is up to the task. Later in the season, following the breakout, the series traces events in the lives of the escaped felons and slowly unravels the conspiracy. …

The Washington Post says:

… when the early birds are as punishingly junky as Fox's "Prison Break," it's only natural to suspect some sort of vendetta at work. … It's 3-B TV: Boring Beyond Belief, a hideous hybrid that even Fox publicity admits is an attempt to clone at least three movies … Even if it had an original bone in its body, though, "Prison Break" […] would come off as more cruel than unusual. The somber pretentiousness of it, reinforced by performances uniformly overwrought, make it a heavy weight to bear, yet one resolutely empty-headed. … An apparently evil Secret Service agent had said consolingly to a colleague earlier in the first episode, "Look, three months, it'll all be over" -- but if sanity prevails, it'll all be over much more quickly than that.

The Los Angeles Times says:

… does not waste any time in establishing itself as completely implausible — which is a smart move indeed. … If you're still on board at the end of the two-hour pilot, directed by Brett Ratner ("Rush Hour") — and even without much in the way of action, it holds the interest quite handily — you will have long since stopped peppering the TV screen with inconvenient questions. If the show is not absolutely critic-proof, if it is a convocation of clichés and old tropes, it is forearmed with a response difficult to argue with: "Yeah, so?"

The Boston Herald says:

… The network is banking that you're so hungry for new TV that you'll tune into this drama that teases the suspense of ``24'' but falls short of even a ``Murder, She Wrote'' rerun. Don't be scammed. The premise is intriguing … But the show is criminally stupid. … Maybe it's because I've been spoiled by ``Oz,'' but ``Prison Break'' has more in common with L. Frank Baum's series of kids' books than the dark prison drama. Isn't prison supposed to be scary? Even a teensy threatening? …the ``surprise'' at the climax of hour one - hinted at in the opening seconds - is silly. At the end of Scofield's trial, the judge sentences the new con to five years, with eligibility for parole in 2 years. I'm giving ``Prison Break'' 13 weeks.

The Seattle Post-Intelligencer says:

It looked like it had potential, too. No doubt about it, "Prison Break's" first hour had the air of a series that was going places. Places like critics' lists of best new shows and proclamations of fan addiction on message boards. Then Fox gave us the second and third hours, which should have seized the pilot's energy and escalated from there. Instead, they gave us a sense of what it's like to stare down a weighty sentence -- a serious drag. … as Linc tries to tell Michael, prison life defies all contingency plans, a fact that would add some exciting twists to the plot if this version of life inside wasn't a fat snooze. …

The Orlando Sentinel gives it two stars (out of five) and says:

Fox's Prison Break has speed. Believability, however, fled this penitentiary and made a clean getaway. … Almost all the way, Prison Break seems preposterous. … The successes of 24 and ABC's Lost have prompted broadcasters to try more sprawling action stories that unfold like novels of the airwaves. But the first three hours of Prison Break suggest this particular book isn't must-read TV. … keeps turning from the central plot and going off on annoying tangents: Lincoln's estranged teen son is headed for trouble. Michael's lawyer could delay her wedding. The prison physician, who's also the governor's daughter, is fascinated by Michael. Michael's cellmate is having woman trouble. Other colorful inmates, mobsters and a bishop clog the hour. …

USA Today gives it three stars (out of four) and says:

… the kind of show for which you don't just have to suspend disbelief, you have to pitch it out the window. … intriguing and extremely unlikely … Granted, every aspect of the patently silly premise screams "Do not try this at home." But Miller makes Michael such an appealing hero — taciturn, determined, ingenious — that you may be willing to buy the plot just to see more of him. … For the most and best part, Prison Break sticks close to Michael and his single-minded effort to free his brother. But as with 24, the show needs a host of subplots to fill out its season-long continuing story — and as with 24, many of them don't work. Most tiresome, unfortunately, is that clichéd government conspiracy, which would have you believe the Secret Service devotes all its time to either murdering people or framing people for murder. … Try it. If it grows to be oppressive, you can always take a break. Nobody's holding you prisoner.

Entertainment Weekly gives it an “A-minus” and says:

To fully embrace Fox's incredibly entertaining Prison Break, one must first forgive the ludicrous premise … Let's pause, laugh, and salute this series for being so well shot and acted that these little dragonflies of illogic buzz us only briefly. (But seriously, how lucky for Michael that he was sent to this particular prison — otherwise we'd be watching him in Leavenworth hitting his head and muttering ''Stupidstupidstupid!'' for five years.) … The camera, for instance, swoops in and out of Michael's full-torso tattoo, in which he's embedded names, numbers, and an entire blueprint of the prison. The series' writers dearly love that gothic swirl of ink on flesh: In one scene, Michael whittles away at a special screw he's acquired to help him unbolt his toilet. When it looks the correct size, he presses its circumference against a dark circle tattoed on his arm to see if it matches. Rather than just putting it in the bolt he's sitting next to. (Oh, the buzzing is back...) But such minor silliness is easily dismissed — especially in the wake of the previous, unsettling scene, set in Chicago's Jaume Plensa-designed Crown Fountain, which is bookended by giant screens on which video faces flicker. As Tunney milks information from a nervous woman who fears she's been targeted by government hitmen, the video faces ominously blink and stare in the background, Blade Runner-style. …

8 p.m. Monday. Fox.







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  • Aug. 29, 2005, 2:02 a.m. CST

    first biatches

    by SirBiatchReturns

    that is all

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 2:02 a.m. CST

    darn... I was hoping this would be a cool show...

    by Russman

    Damn, Maria Menounos is hot... anyone see her get tickled on Stern? Oh, and First?

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 2:05 a.m. CST

    dang.. beat by a second!!!

    by Russman

    my hat off to you Sir! You won only becuase I was trying to spell Menounos correctly. You see that fellas - women will only bring you down. But next timeeeeeeee, vengance! Will! Be! Minnnnnnnneeee!

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 2:16 a.m. CST

    Hey, I enjoyed the first hour.

    by Shan

    Mind you, that's all I've seen and I wasn't quite hooked enough to see any more in a hurry - as in I probably will but I'm not going to race to see it ...

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 2:49 a.m. CST

    Yum, "Prison Breakfast" is tasty! Better than Denny's or IHO

    by Regis Travolta

    Regis Travolta Online says "Prison Breakfast" tastes good but when that creepy dead girl Samara from The Ring movies crawls out of the warden's toilet and scares him to death you may want to change the damn channel!

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 3:32 a.m. CST

    The pilot is great.

    by Peter Venkman

    I love when critics thrash a fictional show for not being realistic. So by that logic, Lost sucks because everyone is well-groomed and nicely dressed and Hurley doesn't lose weight. When will critics learn that it's not the nitpicking that makes a show but the story? ROME was full of accuracy and detail, but it's dreadfully boring and leaden. Give me the exciting Prison Break any day.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 3:42 a.m. CST

    by Mr Cairo

    apparently Jorge garcia has lost close on 40 pounds for the next series of lost . The biggest problem Lost will have is the boy who plays the Walter is going to start having teenage growth spurts between seasons and the premise that only months are passing will be stretched a little

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 3:53 a.m. CST

    TubgirlTonay

    by Killah_Mate

    You know, I'm a big fan of Firefly (and Buffy and Angel), but posts like these are really starting to annoy me. Seems every time there's a talkback involving Fox, somebody has to pitch in how "Fox is the poo". We get it already. We got it two years ago. Go do something else.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 3:57 a.m. CST

    Saw the first hour

    by kuryakin

    It's no Firefly for sure but it was Ok. I'll be watching it, though it's interesting that Fox are talking this show up like it's going to run and run - I'll believe that shit when I see it. As for the 'reality' thing, I liked how implausible it was - for fucks sake why does everything have to be gritty and real? And it's not like OZ was all that realistic anyway. Anyone remember the episode where they gave the fuckwit Irish inmate a pill to make him age twenty years so he could get out sooner? A FUCKING PILL!!! Jesus that's up there with James Bond's see-through car.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 4:13 a.m. CST

    I've GOTTA' get in on this one!

    by Basswizard8

    I've hated the scenes for this show since they were first shown! "Prison Break, how do I hate ye? Let me count the ways!" First, it's fuckin' FOX. These bozos cancelled John Doe (also with Dominic Purcell), one of their most "original" shows. It was doing OK..."OOPS, sorry, doin' OK ain't enough. We can fill that timeslot with I Want To Marry My Sister!" FOX sucks!! You know, you'd think they would have learned a lesson with The X-Files! Of course, they were a younger network then, but, JEEZ, remember your fuckin' roots!! Second, Prison Break...Bad title! It sounds like a 2-hour TV movie...and, it SHOULD be!! (Didn't Charlie Bronson do that movie back in the 70's?)The premise...A guy gets into prison to break his brother out because he has the blueprints for the prison. Sounds like a 2 or 3 episode "season" for this show! Come on, quit "greenin'" me, this is gonna' be a "network" version of OZ (The best!!!). If it was on FX, I might buy it. It's on fuckin' FOX! Those guys lost their network "cachet" with me when they went into their reality crap!! Who Wants To Marry A Millionaire?...Hey, who wants to KILL a Millionaire? Whoa...I think I'm on to something here. Listen up, FOX Network, this could be big!! HEE HEE! Sorry for the rant, but I like TV, and I hate anything that wastes my time! Prison Break...I'm givin' it 4 episodes (I'm being kind!).

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 4:43 a.m. CST

    this show is terrible

    by Krangelus

    its simply not entertaining, the acting is dull, i am not impressed.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 6:36 a.m. CST

    The cast is very charismatic.

    by RenoNevada2000

    And that is problem, Herc. Casting is becoming the new coin of the realm, with thoughts about how good the writing is a distant second. Once again, execs demonstrate they know nothing about how a television show should be developed.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 6:40 a.m. CST

    Agent Alonzo- you're slightly confused

    by RenoNevada2000

    For a producer, having a show on FOX is like being anally raped.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Oh come on Herc. Stop being a hater. It's funny how people l

    by Mr. Profit

    And insinuate that the show is weak because the writers past work sucks. Joss Whedon wrote a terrible fucking movie called Buffy and redeemed himself with TV work. James Gunn wrote Scooby Doo and then wrote Dawn of the Dead. And didn't Akiva Goldsman write Batman and Robin and won an Oscar for A Beautiful Mind. Come the fuck on now.

  • Fox just sucks, and I'll hate that network forever. I may watch the pilot tonight and If I do like it, I think I may throttle back any entuhiasm becuase Fox has no backbone and will ice this show in two weeks if it doesn't catch one. I agree w/Agent Alonzo.... but it's Fox, the Anal Rape is gonna happen, soon or later...

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Yes, this premise makes much less sense than 24, House, etc. &#3

    by Big Bad Clone

    As long as a show is entertaining, I'll give it the benefit of the doubt. Talking dog? On a good show, okay. On a bad show, then I'd piss all over the fact that someone is reading a fake paper or something just as minor.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Oh Mr. Profit, why did you have to bring up that shit stain Akiv

    by ComputerGuy68

    Your argument died with that statement.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Implausibility doesn't bother me.. I watch 24.

    by idledead

    Which is absolutely absurd. But enjoyable. I'm hoping to get the same out of this show -- I'll give anything that's really arc-heavy a shot. I'll probably end up watching it just to follow the recaps at Television Without Pity.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Paul Ruebens stayed on script,

    by idledead

    which is why he was the best thing about the Buffy movie.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Computer Guy, it was just an example.

    by Mr. Profit

    People can write something really shitty, but then can turn it around. you have to be able to give people the benefit of the doubt. I just hate how this site will blow someone's cock no matter how shitty their movies/TV shows are, then turn around and shit on someone or not give something a fair chance. What if the dude had to pay his mortgage so he wrote something on the fly to make quick money? People forget actors and writers and directors have lives and bills to pay. And no matter who directed the film, Joss still wrote it. And he was totally right in rtying it again and making it work on TV. Buffy is probably one of my all time faves since I pretty much grew up with it while I was in High School.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Didn

    by Drath

    And didn

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Sorry to jump on you Mr. Profit, just hate that guy

    by ComputerGuy68

    His bad stuff - Batman Forever, Batman & Robin, Lost In Space, I, Robot, and produced, Deep Blue Sea, Starsky & Hutch, Mindhunters, Constantine, (which was not too bad) I still put him the ranks of other hack writers/producers/directors. One question about the Buffy movie, why didn't Joss get his name removed from it?

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 10:48 a.m. CST

    So, the kid brother commits a crime to get sent to the same pris

    by zer0cool2k2

    What if he would have been sentenced to a completely different prison from Big Bro? then we would have had nothing but anal rape for the entire series. Oh, and Robin Tunney is Hot !

  • At least with HOGAN'S HEROES, Hogan and the guys could escape whenever they wanted to and then came back to help other people escape week after week. This series should be called PRISON BREAK ATTEMPTS, which would be much more plausible...

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Akiva, Fox, this dumb thread, etc.

    by Bob Toddler

    Hey, I'll agree that Akiva has written some of the biggest crap out there, but to his credit, he has written two very good scripts in a row with "A Beautiful Mind" and "Cinderella Man." And his adaptation of "DaVinci Code" will probably be passable, since the book was practically pre-written in screenplay format. And can we finally stop ragging on Fox for its programming choices? Yeah, I wasn't happy when they got rid of "Family Guy" twice. I was also a little pissed off to see "John Doe" end on a huge cliffhanger with no resolution whatsoever. However, this is a TalkBack for the show "Prison Break", not for anything else Fox has ever produced. If this was a "Oh God, Fox is stupid because (insert your favorite short-lived show here) was cancelled and (insert something like "The War At Home" here) is on the air..." thread, I'd say run with it. But we're here to discuss the merits of this particular show. Now, I've only seen the one-hour pilot, but that had me intrigued. One of the reviews above says that the second and third hours do not match up to the first. We shall see. But to hate this show merely because you're still bitter that "Wonderfalls" was cancelled is just really juvenile and petulant.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 1:38 p.m. CST

    I can see that you are pissed and why Fox pisses you off

    by jim

    but it is a stretch to say Wonderfalls & Firefly were cancelled for Prisonbreak. Both were cancelled due to low ratings and, in the case of Wonderfalls, replaced by a POS reality show that was, in fact, just a rip off of a somewhat more successful POS reality show. Fox sucks for not allowing more time for certain shows to find their audience. But Prisonbreak is hardly to blame for Fox's past mistakes. If it does not get the ratings Fox expects, it will most likely be gone when 24 returns in January. I'll be watching tonight. If I like it, I'll keep watching. If I don't, I won't. I judge shows on their own merit, not on the past foolishness of the network involved. Don't punish the son for the father's sins.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Coming soon to FOX...ESCAPE FROM ACCOUNTING!

    by SpyGuy

    (Read in that FOX announcer's DEEP VOICE) When office clerk Jack Mehoffer's second cousin twice removed is demoted to the Accounting Department for failing to sign off on his expense report, Jack transfers into the very same Accounting Department to help his second cousin twice removed escape. Watch the intrigue build week after week as Jack uncovers a vast conspiracy that goes all the way up to the President and all the way down to the parking garage attendant where Jack's Hyundai Elantra is parked! Every truth uncovered reveals another mystery wrapped in an enigma and you won't believe who is going to betray who next!

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 1:57 p.m. CST

    No surprise Entertainment Weekly liked it

    by Nate Champion

    Does anyone remember that SNL skit where the people are trapped in the movie theater for a month watching shitty previews? The guy played by Tracy Morgan who shouts "THAT LOOK GOOD" after all of them pretty much sums up the EW mentality. Their willingness to check their brain at the door pretty much implies they don't have one.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Brett Ratner

    by SLEAZY DINOSAUR

    I thought I might check this show out, until I saw that Brett Ratner directed the pilot and is heavily involved. He just turns any good idea into a mediocre product, I'm sure I'll make myself see X-3, but I think I'll give this a pass.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Still watching this tonight...

    by JLohnny

    So the premise is ridiculous, so what? Most TV shows feature absolutely ridiculous storylines. I still found the pilot to be very entertaining. Despite what the critics say, I'll be giving this show at least 5 eps before I give up on it.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 2:48 p.m. CST

    The defining shows of the 2000s

    by tmeinecket

    While I loved Carnivale, Firefly, etc., what's wrong with 24, LOST, Arrested Development, etc. being the defining shows of the 2000s? Alias would have also been a defining show if it hadn't completely collapsed in its last two seasons.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Oh....

    by tmeinecket

    and one more thing, Jack Bauer could have broken his brother out of prison in a couple of hours. I'm looking forward to Prison Break, if only to pass the time till 24 returns.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 3:15 p.m. CST

    I'm curious...

    by DarthCorleone

    ...given that "Prison Break" is the title of the show, how long do the writers think they can actually draw out the break?

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Tonay2's list of the ought's "defining" shows is fucking

    by crazyeyezkillah

    How 'bout you define your own goddamn decade? Since when does an English television show that doesn't even appear on American television "define" a decade that isn't even over yet? Shows that appear on premium cable channels are disqualified automatically. Pretty hard for a show to "define" anything if they're only availiable to a low percentage of television/DVD viewers. Lost has barely had a first season and isn't even out on DVD. We don't really even know what's going on, not even an inkling, we don't even know what the major theme is, save from the interpersonal relationships between the characters, so it's way, WAY premature to state that it could or might "define" anything. In forty years, we won't be talking about the Office. Nor will we Buffy, Angel or Firefly. Or a bunch of my own personal favorite shows. It's easy to post witless hyperbole on a bulletin board. Exactly HOW did the Office change TV comedy? I don't see any evidence in any show to support this. Four camera sitcom? You honestly think the Office was the first comedy that was shot like a documentary? How many fucking years did This Is Spinal Tap come out before the Office? Dude, keep on loving Whedon all you want, he'll be around a few more years, but c'mon. Star Trek, Star Trek: The Next Generation, even DS9 and Voyager were way more successful and revered than Firefly ever will be. You honestly think Firefly/Serenity is a franchise comparable to the Twilight Zone? You really think that if Firefly didn't get canceled after a few episodes, we'd see entire conventions dedicated to it like we do Star Trek? Sure, love something, but don't let it blind you. Whedon needs viewers and your bucks, not disciples.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 4:44 p.m. CST

    tonay2, you really need to stop.

    by oisin5199

    You know, I'm a huge Joss fan and I love practically anything he touches. But seriously, dude. You need to stop. People like you are the reason there are so many irrational Joss-haters on this site. It's really annoying when you go to every talkback and bitch about how X topic is NOT Joss. If you're going to irrationally compare everything to Joss, at least do it on a Joss thread. No one cares if you think something's not as good as Joss. Why don't you try judging something on its own merits and not on how it's not Joss? Sheesh! Just stop! You're giving sane Joss fans a really bad name.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Prison Break

    by Mafu

    I agree, DarthCorleone. Viewers already know what'll eventually happen on the show due to its name. Stupid. They should've renamed the show "Prison," or maybe "Johnny the Prison Breaker," or even "Johnny the Archtitect," names that don't imply a specific, pre-determined course of action for the show to follow. "24" doesn't imply anything specific, neither does "Alias," "Lost," or "Seinfeld." Characters on these successful shows were allowed to develop over time without the restrictions of a show title that specified a course of action. Also, Brett Ratner directing the pilot leaves me shaking my head. He's such a lukewarm, risk-averse director. I mean, if the show somehow survives its first season, what happens in season 2? "Return to the Prison So We Can Break Out Again"? This smacks of bad writing and terrible planning, in my opinion. Sure, it'll be a great little nugget of violence with insidious political overtones, but I already know what's going to happen, you idiots! They're going to break out of prison. The amateurish plotting and planning I'm already detecting leaves me a bit sad, since I like Dominic Purcell and some of the other actors I recognized on the previews. But the bad title + Ratner + Fox = seven weeks before it's cancelled. Just my opinion.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Tonay2

    by Mafu

    I agree with oisin5199 -- I think you need to tone down your Whedon worship. Many talkbackers, including myself, are fans of his work. But we also recognize the talents of many, many other writers and directors who make contributions to film and television. I'd appreciate it if you could tone down your Whedon love into something a bit more humble and less fanatical. Thank you.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 5:40 p.m. CST

    That is a scary-ass premonition about the year 2050!

    by jim

    Sounds like the world of Orwell's 1984, but run by Whedonites.

  • The name, and the pilot, both suggest that they'll be dealing with the same 'plot' (the prison break) for at least the first 13 episodes. But that's not all, the pilot also sets up a bunch of useless secondary storylines that we don't care about (I can see hispanic guy's girlfriend being chased by some cougars while having amnesia right now). I say the 'I give it 4 episodes' predictions are too optimistic.. This is the kind of shit that fox keeps around for at least 1 or 2 seasons, just so that we can say "they cancel (wonderfalls|firefly|etc) and the keep this crap????". remember tru calling, dark angel, john doe?

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 6:38 p.m. CST

    What's season 2- The Getaway?

    by xenaman

    I don't really get these "real-time" step by step series. Kinda seems like treading water to me. After they break out, what then? Poor Dominic Purcell, why is he trusting Fox again? I liked the first 4 eps of "John Doe", but then it got stupid and tanked. Come to think of it, why does ANYONE think a show will last on fox? Am I the only one who hates Fox for all the good shows they have canned? ???????????????????? (My post is full of questions????) Isn't it????

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Oh, I'm not the only one...

    by xenaman

    Who hates fox. Suppose I should read the talkbacks BEFORE I post. But I am really only interested in my own opinion anyway. Kidding! (Or am I?)

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 6:54 p.m. CST

    anyone tell me..

    by jig98

    what was that song in the tv spots? it is the same song as the one in the trailer and tv spots for transporter 2's

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 7:26 p.m. CST

    this makes no sense

    by v1cious

    why are the death row inmates mixed in with the general population? seems unrealistic.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 7:57 p.m. CST

    If were gonna nitpick...

    by cornstalkwalker

    Perhaps he was only a designer of certain parts of the prison. For instance, with the sewer system. Well, then he would want to have a full map for the parts that he wasn't directly involved in. Also, it sure would suck to be in prison and not remembering something that you would have remembered, if you had the map. But, whatever. All of those reviews make a big deal about the believability. But, I never hear the critics screaming with all the BS of other successful shows, like 24. I barely heard anything about the complete silliness of a stealth fighter shooting down AF1. They don't even carry air to air missiles. It's still fun to enjoy the show, regardless of probability, or possibility.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 8:23 p.m. CST

    by crowster1833

    For those of you who loved wonderfalls so much you can now catch it on the network it belongs on. Logo the place for queers. This show IS great.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Nerd Alert!

    by Tim Master

    ISN'T HERC THE SAME GUY WHO WAS KISSING TIM MINEARS ASS AND PROMOTING THE INSIDE??? THAT SHOW FUCKING SUCKED!!! YOU CAN ALL SUCK JOSS WHEDONS DICK. IM SURE THE MINUTE ONE OF THESE BUFFY/ANGEL WRITERS TAKE A JOB ON PRISON BREAK YOU WILL ALL BE SINGING A DIFFERENT TUNE. MARTI NOXON IS A PRODUCER ON THE 2ND EPISODE - DO YOU LOVE IT NOW????

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 8:42 p.m. CST

    It's not JUST that so much of "Prison Break" doesn't mak

    by Hercules

    Other entertainments I love don't make any sense at all. But they make up for all the silly in other ways, like comedy or characterization. "Prison Break," like "24," is pretty much just all about plot. But the "Prison Break" plot has all these holes in it. Giant ones. Annoying ones. So I'm left just kinda left staring at it, looking for something to keep me interested besides Robin Tunney's taut buttocks. (Tunney's buttocks are most alluring, but there are many alluring buttocks scattered throughout DirecTV if one has patience enough.) I think "Prison Break" offers some intriguing scenes early on that ultimately don't add up to nothin

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 9:25 p.m. CST

    the "Buffy" series is going to be revered maybe forever, alongsi

    by Hamtaro_Hentai

    Way to go, mr. "I get paid by the talkback"....oh,wait, now I just became part of the problem...

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 9:29 p.m. CST

    I wouldn't expect this show to make perfect sense

    by Holodigm

    After all, the only show I own every season of is 24. But for what it was, not bad at all I'd say. I was actually impressed, and like someone else said it'll do fine filling that Monday Fox slot until 24 comes back. I like how one of the reviews up there totally gives away that the breakout is going to happen later this season. In which case I can't see this show going past three seasons, at least for its own sake it shouldn't. Who knows, it may end up being a breakout hit. It gets my stamp of approval, for now. But my opinion doesn't matter because I don't worship Whedon.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 9:37 p.m. CST

    I kinda liked it...

    by El Fuego

    and considering that 90% of the talkbacks are from before it aired, you're all just bitching for the sake of bitching. As long as all the little hints and bits they drop come into play later in the season I'll be a happy guy... on 24 it's not about the holes in fundamental logic that piss everyone off, it's when they mention something and then forget it, never to bring it up again, like having the DoD just disappear for a third of last season without so much as a question to his whereabouts. The show sets its own rules, and as long as it plays by them, it's fine by me. I'll keep watching the pieces fall together until they stop leading to a clear and brilliant culmination.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Actually, I kinda dug it.

    by John Maddening

    Ain't I cool?

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 10:08 p.m. CST

    ah, Herc, you and your insightful critiques...

    by omarthesnake

    .... oh, wait, you just spewed random bile toward a pretty good little show because the characters didn't make pop-culture-savvy wisecracks every .35 seconds and actually seem to take their situation seriously. then you made some asinine -- and let's face it, kinda creepy -- comments about Robin Tunney's buttocks. And on a side note: really, Twin Peaks, revered forever? By maybe 5% of its original audience, the rest having figured out by a few episodes into season two that the emperor had no clothes. sheesh.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 10:09 p.m. CST

    more hyperbole, not any more support...

    by crazyeyezkillah

    Tonay2, you've got to be a parody. You really wouldn't understand why a show being on a premium cable channel would limit who could see it, would you? Buffy will never be bigger than Star Trek. It's just a fact.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Silly Diabetes...

    by Evil Starfish

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Silly Diabetes...

    by Evil Starfish

    Anyone care to tell me why the tattooed prissy man is intentionally making himself diabetic? Is it just to be in the infirmary or...is it something more?

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Watching it now... not bad...

    by Russman

    but I think it would've been a cooler bad ass mini series or a limited series on HBO - Sweet Blessed HBO. Give me The Wire and Saint McNutty.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 10:50 p.m. CST

    That's right bitch, Star Trek will always be bigger than the

    by crazyeyezkillah

    I said it! What? What! I don't even really like anime!

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 10:52 p.m. CST

    by foreignerbelt

    I agree with a (far) above poster who said that this cast is charismatic, but I would not agree with him that this alone can't carry a series. I almost didn't care about the plot I was enjoying watching this ensemble so much. and Robin Tunney's buttocks are taut like a toiger. I've been trying to tell people this since Vertical Limit. And congratulations to TubgirlTonay, who adopted a second name and not only hooked his perpetual bitch Mr Miracle after I specifically warned him (fucking idiot), but also hooked a blackbox, the bigfish- Hercules. Nicely done. I must say I thought your technique sloppy at first but you have honed your trolling to a fine art- I'd like to think that you incorporated my earlier critiques of your work and channeled them into this second and far more successful incarnation. maybe that is taking too much credit.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 10:59 p.m. CST

    "maybe that's taking too much credit."

    by crazyeyezkillah

    You think?

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 11:08 p.m. CST

    I like Whedon

    by snowpuff

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Buffy-verse connection to PRISON BREAK

    by hessian

    Did I, or did I not see Marti Noxon listed in the opening credits? Uh, oh. I smell a quandry.....

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 11:18 p.m. CST

    I like Whedon's shows, but not Whedon

    by snowpuff

    I am a casual viewer of Whedon and I was impressed catching Firefly during its run on Sci-Fi. I even bought the box set. And then I discovered something that surprised me - I couldn't get through a commentary of his. I found myself disliking the guy intently. And I also started to notice that the guy's got some serious misogyny issues that he vents through his characters in Firefly. Yes, Josh Whedon, champion of Buffy and Wonder Woman. Yeah, the psyche is complicated, but there's no question that part of him has a lot of anger towards women.

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 11:20 p.m. CST

    didn't James Van Der Beek play Marty Noxon...

    by crazyeyezkillah

    in Varsity Blues?

  • Aug. 29, 2005, 11:57 p.m. CST

    Perhaps I

    by JonQuixote

    Yeah, I think so. You also got a bit wrong - eg. the dude didn't spend "years designing" the prison. He worked for a company that got some major subcontracting on a renovation. Which meant he was able to get his *hands* on the blueprints and tattoo them on his body, as opposed to being the guy who imagined them up. You can overthink anything into ridiculousness - not that this show isn't without it's ridiculousnesses, let alone overthink it into ridiculousness when you pick up the wrong information. *** Anyway, it wasn't great. It's certainly bereft of the intelligence behind a show like LOST - it lacks the little moments, the little brilliances and I don't think it has any ambition to be anything but a straightahead actioner. But it was fun enough. Well acted, well directed, clunkily scripted. And the EW review was right - that scene with the "watchers" in the background was excellent.

  • Aug. 30, 2005, 12:01 a.m. CST

    Scifi fans, SHUT UP!

    by Spice-Orange

    You make no sense with your: "they cancelled firefly! omg! and now they show this!? omg omg! i love wheathins! eee!" Look, Fox got rid of firefly because no one watched it. they come up with new shows and see what happens. thats what we can the TELEVISION INDUSTRY. This pilot was pretty good, yeah, there was no vampires, skinny blonde bitches that cant act, or spaceships, but you know what? Thats not what the show is about! get over it! go watch something else. fact is, when you guys post stupid rants like that, it shows that A: you havent seeing the show yet and B: it doesnt matter if it was the Citizen Kane of Television shows, you'd still hate it because it does have wheathins as creator. waa waa.

  • Aug. 30, 2005, 12:03 a.m. CST

    Oh, and I'm loving FOX these days.

    by JonQuixote

    Why? ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT SEASON 3. I could kiss them on the (***).

  • Aug. 30, 2005, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Contrived drivel

    by IMMORTAL-1

    Not only does the guy end up in the same prison as his brother, the Governor's daughter works there too as a doctor?! Yeah that won't come into play. Nice how the bolt the guy needs and loses he gets back when someone uses it to attack him in a prison riot. It's the luckiest sumbitch in the world. This gets cancelled midseason, FOX releases it on DVD and a bunch of saps buy it.

  • Aug. 30, 2005, 12:27 a.m. CST

    at least it's not a reality show

    by FlowCytometer

    I like this show. I guess the saps are those who have a show they enjoy get cancelled, so the only way to complete the story is to buy the DVD set. Kind of like when someone gives up on buying the monthly comic book and resorts to buying the collected trade paperback (the difference being involuntary vs voluntary)

  • Aug. 30, 2005, 12:42 a.m. CST

    Good show

    by GiftedInThePants

    Entertaining. Funny how the people bitching about plausibility praise shite like Buffy. I wonder if Herc had the courtesy of giving the reach around after virtually sucking off Whedon in that post. Damn dude, get back to fucking reality. Whedon's trite crapola will only be revered by morons that don't know what good telivision is.

  • Aug. 30, 2005, 12:59 a.m. CST

    "FOR FUCKS SAKE. Joss Whedon's dialogue isn't meant ot s

    by Triumph poops!

    And therein lies the problem. In other words, people never actually sound like people -- they sound like actors breaking the fourth wall. Worse, they're "winking" at you all the time, essentially saying "See? Aren't I cute? Aren't I being witty? Sure, no one you know talks this way...plus no complete assemblage of people talk this way to each other on top of that...but, hey! We're clever and witty! So you will love it." Sorry, Tonay, but you've just admitted to why Whedon's dialogue is not nearly as great as kiss-asses as you proclaim. Because the bottom line is its just hack writing desperately TRYING to be overly cutesy to draw attention to itself, as if the writer's frail ego needs yet another reach around handjob from someone to make him believe he's actually a barely competent writer. Which apparently over-the-top fans like you are dying to supply him with...

  • Aug. 30, 2005, 1:05 a.m. CST

    Awesome show

    by Peter Venkman

    Glad to see it proved the naysayers wrong. While we're talking about cancelled shows, I want to give my 3 cents. First off-Wonderfalls was cancelled because it sucked. Seriously. I hate to say that, because I know it has many fans, but honestly, the show was annoying and too confined and way too pleased with itself to draw any audience. Secondly, Firefly was a good show. A pretty good show, in fact. But if you're comparing it to Buffy and Angel, there's no comparison. And as big of a Buffy fan as I was, I'm starting to dislike the show because of the people on this board who compare it to the Twilght Zone. It's not. Wake up. The Twilight Zone was huge in it's day and it's been 2 years years since Buffy was cancelled and most of America has forgotten about it, save for the Whedon fans-who are a small, vocal minority. Also, while I do intend to see SERENITY in the theaters, the movie is going to be a flop. For most of America, there's no big names, no major hype and it looks like a generic Sci-Fi movie of the week. Granted, I know it's not, but that's how the majority of people will view it, and they'll stay away and end up seeing some shit like HITCH or WHITE GIRLS. Now-Carnivale getting cancelled? THAT's a damn shame.

  • Aug. 30, 2005, 1:08 a.m. CST

    Also-

    by Peter Venkman

    gaurantee you that if this show is cancelled abruptly by FOX, these same naysayers will rally behind the show and curse the evil corporate FOX just so they can have something to rally behind, and they'll end up buying the DVD set. Pathetic.

  • Aug. 30, 2005, 1:38 a.m. CST

    Yeah this was alright, I'll keep watching

    by MaxCalifornia.

    Decent filler show, I mean, what the hell else is there to do on a Monday night without Bauer and co.?

  • Aug. 30, 2005, 4:08 a.m. CST

    Tonay = known troll

    by Shan

    This was demonstrated by past over-the-top sycophantic rantings about Buffy, so hyperbolic that repeated deletions resulted.

  • Aug. 30, 2005, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Some of these freakin' Critics are just Full of it.

    by Atomica

  • Aug. 30, 2005, 9:15 a.m. CST

    I give the show props for cutting off his toe. Also it was like

    by Mr. Profit

    It's not bad at all.

  • Aug. 30, 2005, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Oops, Anyway, It's a Decent show...

    by Atomica

    Is it going to save the Primetime Action/Drama? Well, no but it's more than subpar also. I was fairly intrigued the whole show. And for a critic to question the "fear factor" in the show, When did getting your toe cut off by a pair of Hedge cutter by 4 muscle bound nasty ass prison fags become anything less than Terrifying? I guess these critics must enjoy that kinda thing. Morons.

  • Aug. 30, 2005, 9:49 a.m. CST

    I liked it enough to watch again next week.

    by jim

    I thought the second hour was much better than the first.

  • Aug. 30, 2005, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Doc Falken, Hercules, anyone?

    by Shan

    Time to purge another ubertroll. I mean seriously ...

  • Aug. 30, 2005, 10:49 a.m. CST

    God, you Buffy apologists are irritating.

    by Lou C.

    No disrespect, of course. I think the show's OK, but comparing in the pop culture realm to Star Trek. YOU think it belongs there because YOU like it. Go out on the street and ask someone who Spock is, or Scotty, or any other questions about the show. Even if they haven't watched it before, they'll know what you're talking about. Now ask them about Buffy. Think they'll know who Willow or Cordelia are? I'll bet a few of them even go, "That crappy movie with Kristy Swanson. Huh?" Remember, people, Buffy's ratings were excellent for the network it was on, but compared to other shows, well, more people watch "According to Jim." Sorry.

  • Aug. 30, 2005, 12:16 p.m. CST

    all right, in their defense

    by punto

    the guy didn't actually _design_ the prison.. From what I saw, the guy has to be about 28 years old.. A develpment like that has to take at least 5 years (I'd say 10, but this is TV), so if the guy was around during the designing stage, he was like 23, barely out of college (again, this is TV). So by "I helped designing it", what he means is "I fetched cofee for the real architects, and then I cleaned those portable toilets they had at the construction site". He still had access to the blueprints, but that doesn't mean he designed it.

  • He just worked for the company who did. And the warden isn't jeopardizing his job. Prisoners are allowed to work in the offices at the prisons. So Warden Pope isn't doing anything wrong.

  • Aug. 30, 2005, 1:28 p.m. CST

    yeah, I was pretty drawn into it.

    by oisin5199

    I think Wentworth Miller is very interesting to watch - and it's too bad he didn't get to develop his devil's advocate character on Joan of Arcadia. I liked the imagery with the origami - and the characters were engaging. Even Peter Stormare had good motivation to be a badass. And yes, the main guy did not design the prison - he worked for the company that subcontracted improvements and got a hold of the blueprints. I liked how it started after the plan had been conceived and we get to see what led up to it as the plan's put into action. The subtle shots of the newspaper clippings foreshadowing major plot points. The whole notion that someone would plan to be incarcerated and willingly go through that hell is intriguing and to me, is a great metaphor for initiation into the warrior archetype. Gotta admit, I'm hooked. And one last time - I love Buffy, Angel and Firefly - but not every show has to be like them. Nor would I want it too. I still say that people who call Whedon's dialogue all about the snark are only surface reading it. Firefly had the most stylized dialogue because of the Western setting, among other things, but it worked beautifully. In my mind, he's up there with Mamet with understanding the poetry of language in the current age. But that's a particular style. That language makes sense in the kind of settings and worlds that Joss creates. Other shows have their own worlds and their own approach - and that's how it should be. So stop comparing everything to Joss, tubgirl, you annoying prat!

  • Aug. 30, 2005, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Did he let them cut off his toe so that he can have time to hang

    by Mr. Profit

    Since the jig is somewhat up with him not being a diabetic. Anyway, the show isn't as addictive as Lost initially was. But I am not going to hate on it. And Fox seems to like it since they are airing a marathon on FX. So maybe they wont cancel this. Fox seems intent on rebuilding, or should I say build around Idol. House developed into a hit. The OC has fans. Family Guy got good ratings. They gave another season for Arrested. Reunion looks intriguing. Let's not bash Fox just yet.

  • Aug. 30, 2005, 1:45 p.m. CST

    OT: I'll ask again, was Wonderfalls a show with a gay follow

    by Mr. Profit

    They show that shit on Logo. Why is it on the MTV owned Gay channel? Was it a gay show? I tried to see what the fuss Herc always makes about it. I wound up not liking it. I couldn't sit and watch a show about a woman at a gift shop where the figurines talked to her. And on a side note, I was watching a Canadian soap with my cousin on a channel called WAM! and saw Grace Park. She was cute back then too.

  • Aug. 30, 2005, 1:46 p.m. CST

    I was pretty impressed

    by Dijonase24

    It's not the best show I've ever seen, but who ever said that it has to be? It's an escapist action serial that I thought delivered exactly what it was supposed to. As far as designing the prison, I believe that Michael said he practically ghost wrote the renovation plans. The work was assigned to another engineer in hsi firm, but he helped out with the work. As for Michael, the actor playing him is 33 years old. I'd say that's plenty old enough to have worked on the prison renovations. And even if he were a bit young, who cares? I also have to agree with Atomica. Getting your little toe cut off by a gangster who is set on getting information from you is definitely pretty damn terrifying. I like the main characters in this show and I like the fact that Michael is more than likely going to have to juggle his alliegances to both stay alive and do everything he needs to do to escape. That should be entertaining to watch, and I plan to check in every Monday to see where this show goes. If you demand absolute perfection and reality from an escapist action serial like this then I don't know what to say to you. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

  • Aug. 30, 2005, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Actually, Mr. Profit...

    by Dijonase24

    The jig isn't up on him not being a diabetic. He took the insulin blocker just in time, apparently, because when he went to the infirmary he tested positive for diabetes. Wait a minute, there's no way that he would be able to pop a swallowable capsule and have it dissolve quickly enough for the test to have been positive. Reality police! Quickly, arrest those writers!

  • Aug. 30, 2005, 3:13 p.m. CST

    I don't think he'll get his toe cut off...

    by Russman

    Even though the Closed Caption system wrote out "Click", I think they'll get interrupted before they do it. So is this going to be a one season show? I mean, lets say he gets out, then they have to hide and figure out who set big brother up. How long will they stretch that out? Will the show then turn into the Fugitive, where the two cons run from town to town? Oh and why are prison guards always starting fights and being dicks? Yeah, they're locked up with human scum but every movie/tv prison guard always has a bug up his ass and is brutal to the convicts. Is it like that in real life? If so, why don't prisons psych screen for this? Or are convicts that fucked up that you have to be that cruel to guard them.

  • Aug. 30, 2005, 3:53 p.m. CST

    I remember reading that Season 2 will be like "The Fugitive". Ap

    by Mr. Profit

    And LMAO at the reality police. Let's sic them on Lost, Angel, Buffy, and The Gilmore Girls.

  • Aug. 30, 2005, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Russman

    by Mr. Profit

    My uncles and cousin are corrections officers. One has been one for almost 25 years here in MYC. He is a lunatic and needs an evaluation because he totally acts like he is in jail (technically he is). But it all depends on the person because my other uncle is the coolest guy you'd ever meet and isn't a jack ass to the inmates. My cousin got a baby shower thrown for her when she was pregnant by her inmates. They loved her. So the stereotype is mainly true, but who wants to see a show with inmates throwing an officer a baby shower? BTW, them calling him Fish, is that a nod to the Buffy episode he was in before? Also it would have been funny if some OZ people had cameos as prison staff.

  • Aug. 30, 2005, 4:22 p.m. CST

    YOU IDIOTS

    by snowpuff

    Brett Ratner directed the premiere of this series. Why have you not spent this entire talkback talking about Brett Ratner?!?! The Buffy people are throwing you guys off your game. BRETT RATNER! BRETT RATNER! BRETT RATNER! Discuss.

  • Aug. 30, 2005, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Fish

    by jim

    Fish is a term that means new inmate. I believe it comes from "fresh fish". I first heard the term used in The Shawshank Redemption.

  • Aug. 30, 2005, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Big Jim

    by Mr. Profit

    I wasn't serious. I was joking.

  • Aug. 30, 2005, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Big Jim

    by Mr. Profit

    And thanks for the response :)

  • Aug. 30, 2005, 11:14 p.m. CST

    by foreignerbelt

    fish is the term used for people who respond to Tonay as if he's real. (Mr Miracle I'm looking in your direction)

  • Aug. 31, 2005, 10:34 a.m. CST

    The Next Season of 24 Should Feature 8 Episodes of the Character

    by ZombieSolutions

    for god sake, they've been wide awake for like 3 days straight! are they all on meth? wtf? (24 jumped the shark when the incredibly hot Elisha Cuthbert got her haircut and then left the show. the first season had so much bondange eyecandy as to astound the most restrained of pervy libidos.)

  • Aug. 31, 2005, 10:36 a.m. CST

    "when she was pregnant by her inmates"

    by oisin5199

    wow, prison gangbangs really happen? sorry, couldn't resist.

  • Aug. 31, 2005, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Mr. Profit and Wonderfalls

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    The sister of the main character on Wonderfalls is lesbian, so there you go Logo.

  • Aug. 31, 2005, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Prison Break did good....

    by Russman

    Saw this in some trades: The first broadcast primetime premiere of the new season aired on Monday night. *******Prison Break won its 8-10p block with a 4.6/12 A18-49 rating, dominating that demo category for the night according to Nielsen Media Research. With M18-49, Prison Break earned a 4.7/13. ********* looks like this show may stick around.

  • Aug. 31, 2005, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Thanks Mr. Profit.

    by Russman

    Would your first name happen to be, Jim?

  • Aug. 31, 2005, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Russman

    by Mr. Profit

    Nah, my name is Bruno.

  • Aug. 31, 2005, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Damn you HERC

    by bluebottle

    I agree with you 100% and it's ALL YOUR FAULT.

  • Aug. 31, 2005, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Aren't the seasons of 24 months and years apart?

    by Shan

    Don't know for sure as I haven't been watching - but is that right?

  • Aug. 31, 2005, 7:31 p.m. CST

    P.S So a chance to catch some sleep is my point ...

    by Shan

  • Sept. 1, 2005, 4:46 a.m. CST

    Wonderfalls

    by optimus122

    Was not a gay show but the main characters sister is a lesbian so one can assume thats why its on that channel..the show is pretty funny and Jaye is so damn cute..

  • Sept. 1, 2005, 6:11 a.m. CST

    Lost

    by Mr. Profit

    How come Herc is not talking about the clip on oceanic-air.com where Kate falls in the hatch because Locke drops her? And then a light flashes in the hatch? Looks like Kate will either be a goner this season, or will be missing for some part of it.

  • Sept. 1, 2005, 12:59 p.m. CST

    he stayed the season, dumbass.

    by oisin5199

    Stop projecting your myopic view of the world on everyone else. And I believe the creators of Wonderfalls (who aren't Tim Minear) are also gay, thus the LOGO thing.

  • Sept. 1, 2005, 2:25 p.m. CST

    TubgirlTonay, I never had any problems with your stupid posts.

    by Mr. Profit

    I always ignored you because I knew you were joking/making fun of AICN's fanatical love of everything Whedon. But don't call me an idiot ever again. Don't do shit that you wouldn't have the balls to do in person.

  • Sept. 1, 2005, 4:46 p.m. CST

    by foreignerbelt

    Mr. Profit wins everything.

  • Sept. 1, 2005, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Good premise and good pilot secure the network deal.

    by kabong

    Then the series flops.

  • Sept. 1, 2005, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Prison Humping

    by Noam

    I personaly didn't care for the show, but if you do watch it and enjoy. I didn't really enjoy 24 either and the rest of the world wants to have its babies. On the Whedon trip, I loved Firefly and would have loved to see it continue, but it didn't(side note: Fox is to blame for running the shows out of order which did make the plot hard to follow). Oh Well. Others must have agreed because we have the Serenity movie coming out at the end of September. Wonderfalls was also a favorite and I'm straight, but Fox should have given it a few more weeks to build an audience before scrapping it in favor of repeat viewings of a lame reality show that aired the exact same ep. only three days earlier. I and many others own the dvd. I'mjust saying if you like Prison Break enjoy it while it's on. If not just join me in not watching it anymore. Either way The tv universe is big enough for us all. Also for the person who said Joss Whedon was a misogynist, all that I can say in response is that at least he writes decent female characters.

  • Sept. 2, 2005, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Herc - looks like you weren't paying too much attention

    by tmccray

    You said "The guy who spent years designing a prison can

  • Sept. 2, 2005, 5:32 a.m. CST

    prison break

    by slkboxrman

    not sure who posted it earlier but someone said they didnt like the fact that they know whats goin to happen based on the title of the show...duh. thats why u would watch, to see how they get out and the aftermath of it. billions of people seen titanic and it made tons of money, ya think anyone knew the damn boat wasnt gonna sink ? and even if u dont count that, in most tv shows the good guys prevail so of course he has to get out ....if theres one thing that really pisses me off is idiots that dissect a plot for a television show ,,,hello !! its a television show..it isnt supposed to be realistic, nothing on tv is... when u lame brains realize that, maybe u will grow and mature as something other than whiney little losers with nothing else better to do than sit back and pick apart someones work..for the record 24 is the most unplausable show ever, but its entertainment. entertainment isnt supposed to make sense, do u watch porn for the acting or the writing ?? if u do then u have a prob...we watch for the action... prison break has some very amazing dialog for a prison, at least we dont got too cons talkin about what a great anus the new guy got or how many cigs it took to get a blowjob... also firefly may have had bad ratings but there are many shows STILL on the air with shitty ratings... ratings dont mean shit ....dont let them fool u....ANGEL had great ratings, the WB didnt want to bring it back because it wanted to put something else on the air..... look it up... no other reason..give all the new shows a chance, obviously they all wont be around next year but look out for ...invasion, surface, and threshold...they all look pretty darn good...

  • Sept. 2, 2005, 5:41 a.m. CST

    to mr.profit

    by slkboxrman

    about your comment on the preview clip on oceanicair.com.... first off locke doesnt drop her, the vine comes loose, he tries to stop her from falling...anyways how do u connect the fact of her dropping and the light coming on as her getting killed or going missing ? is the light a death ray or a transporter ? listen u seem smart but if ya dont know ya dont know..the light may be pressure sensitive at the bottom of the stairs, thats why when locke was crying on it, the light came on cuz someone or something was lookin up at him... possibly ....but like i said , i dont know... ill wait to see what happens...... personally i think sayeed gets killed ....if u go thru all the clips including all of rouseaus....theres a clip of sayeed and her facing off with rifles and she shoots and walks away ... but again i will wait for the season to start before i start disecting

  • Sept. 2, 2005, 7:35 a.m. CST

    SLKbxrman

    by Mr. Profit

    Hey man, the reason I said that was because I read an article where Evangeline Lilly said this season she's going to have more personal time to explore Hawaii. You know when anyone from Lost says anything, the conspiracy theory's begin. Her having more personal time means a reduced role for part of the season so maybe she disappears in the hatch and doesn't re-appear until later on. I saw the clip quickly and could not rewind it so to me it looked like he dopped her. But then again you can't trust Locke either. Also I heard there are going to be a lot of Michelle Rodriguez eps. I think that's stupid. I dislike her as an actress and don't want to watch episodes about her backstory? Which will be what? Before she was on the plane she was a one note actress who played the same variation of her Girlfight character in every movie? Kristen from E also said what is in the hatch starts and ends with the same letter.

  • Sept. 3, 2005, 12:17 a.m. CST

    interesting

    by slkboxrman

    starts and ends with the same letter huh ? hmmmm thats gonna start alot more conspiracy theories....i never saw girlfight so i dont have a reference for miss rodriguez...but i did like her in fast and the furious, and resident evil....never saw swat...but who knows, maybe she wil be good in lost....best thing is to have an open mind....

  • Sept. 3, 2005, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Looks like you know who has been purged again ...

    by Shan

    ... and good riddance.

  • Sept. 4, 2005, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Hercules, you are a <beep>.

    by Lord_Soth

    There was more entertainment and originality in Prison Break&#39;s first 2 episodes, than in the whole Buffy saga.

  • Sept. 4, 2005, 7:30 p.m. CST

    by foreignerbelt

    radar? bomb? clinic? dead? electrogramme? diamond? tourniquet? solipsis? dude anything could be inside the hatch. Beelzebub could be in there. more hints. need more hints.