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What's Christopher Nolan up to' THE EXEC and THE PRESTIGE'

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with some info about the immediate future of fanboy favorite filmmaker Christopher Nolan. I'm anxious to see his follow-up to BATMAN BEGINS and this film, THE PRESTIGE, while not the announced next film just might be his next according to this report, sounds like an awesome flick. I'm gonna have to search out the book now! THE EXEC (his announced next flick) and THE PRESTIGE are both written by Jonathan Nolan, who last scripted Christopher's MEMENTO. Can't wait to see the family team up again! Just as long as Nolan keeps some time free for the next BATMAN movie! Anyway, enjoy the report from WorldCon!

So this is a little late, but only because I thought it would be all over the Internet like a rash - but no one seems to have mentioned it.

At Interaction, this year's World Science Fiction Convention (Worldcon) in Glasgow, Christopher Priest (not the American comic book guy, the English novelist) was a guest of honour and gave an address. Among many interesting things he talked about (Harlan Ellison... ahem!) he mentioned that Christopher Nolan was interested in making a film of one of his earlier novels, the excellent The Prestige.

Not that big a deal, I hear you say. Newmarket films have had an option on the book for ages and Nolan has been sniffing around it for ages.

Well, Priest has read Jonathon Nolan's script - which he thinks is brilliant and he reckons the film is set to go into production in November - which, if he's right - and he seemed pretty confident (or as confident as an author can be about plans to adapt their work, which isn't that confident, I admit) puts "The Exec", Nolan's announced next movie in an interesting position.

The Prestige is a cool story about two 19th century magicians who start a petty feud that comes to dominate the rest of their lives as they try to outdo each others tricks and success. The novel features a bit part for Nicholas Tesla as a more or less nutty scientist and a creepy ending.

Priest described the script as faithful while changing every detail and said that if the movie was made it would be closer to Momento than to Nolan's more recent films - Insomnia or Batman.

The Prestige is a great story and could make a brilliant film if handled right.

I'm excited.

Call me The Fat SF Fan, that should narrow things down enough for my mother to know I wrote this.



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  • Aug. 22, 2005, 2:03 a.m. CST

    We need a good movie about magicians

    by Fred4sure

    A while back Tom Cruise was going to do Carter Beats the Devil, I think, and then someone else was going to do a war movie wherein a magician helps the troops. I love magic and would love to have a good magic movie to eat my popcorn to.

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 2:05 a.m. CST

    Thank you, Mr. Nolan.

    by Julius Dithers

    Following was a great film. I'm also grateful for what you did for the Batman franchise.

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 2:07 a.m. CST

    I like how much you update, Quint

    by YouInRawbIns?

    As I like a lot of news, but I knew it wouldn't be too long before Harry passed on his way of writing. And. . . "I'm anxious to see his follow-up to BATMAN BEGINS and this film, THE PRESTIGE, while not the announced next film just might be his next according to this report, sounds like an awesome flick." . . . . THAT just about seals the deal.

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Not sure about that Rodriguez suggestion embrypotzebra...

    by Dr_Boll

    ...because Sin City doesn't hold up to repeat viewings. I fucking loved it the first time, but with each additional viewing saw how bad and boring it was. Once the visual novelty wore off Sin City feels like an expense student film, where as Batman Begins feels like a real movie.

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Sounds awesome

    by YouInRawbIns?

    I hope there's some damn cool wizards. Like a live action Sword-in-the-Stone-Merlin-in-the-Woods-Magic-Place. That or tits. Oh, I'd love me some tits.

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 2:33 a.m. CST

    I'm happy Nolan is going back to at least some what smaller

    by andrew coleman

    I do hope he does Batman Begins 2 or I like to call it Batman in Progress, because I thought Batman Begins was the best film this summer.

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 2:34 a.m. CST

    DID Jonathan Nolan write 'Memento?'

    by Ribbons

    I know he came up with the story, but I thought Chris wrote it. Doesn't matter, I have a hunch the guy's a good writer. I know how... sycophantic that sounds, but I'm having trouble articulating what I mean. Anyway, this premise sounds cool. Can anyone tell me what 'The Exec' would have been about?

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 2:37 a.m. CST

    The Exex plotline from IMDB...

    by Dr_Boll

    A drama set in a future society where big business is the governing body, and conducts its affairs like engaging in warfare. And yes, Jonathan Nolan only wrote the short story that Memento is based on.

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 2:37 a.m. CST

    I meant The Exec

    by Dr_Boll

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Edward Norton has a magician movie too.

    by quantum_ken

    What are the chances? Are we seeing another Deep Impact/Armageddon, Dante's Peak/Volcano, Antz/Bug's Life face-off?

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 3:10 a.m. CST

    The Prestige

    by moviemaniac-7

    An excellent novel, but I didn't like the ending. Hope they fixed that one. This could be a really cool movie.

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 3:29 a.m. CST

    The Prestige hehehe (spanish joke)

    by CuervoJones

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 3:41 a.m. CST

    Chris Priest's Quantum & Woody should be the new Nolan Film

    by x-oManowar

    I'm serious too. That is a funny ass book!

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 3:43 a.m. CST

    I think Sin City and Batman Begins both hold up well to repeat v

    by Thirteen 13

    Nothing more really needs to be said. They were both great movies and a rare oasis amongst all the crap that was hitting the silver screen. I own Sin City on DVD and plan to own Batman Begins also. I can't wait for Sin City 2 and 3 and the next Batman. :-)

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 3:57 a.m. CST

    Gob?

    by Junior Frenger

    "It's the finalcount doooooowwwwnnn..."

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 4:48 a.m. CST

    "How dare you critisize Batman Begins!?!"

    by kintar0

    "Look at how much money it made! It's so realistic and gritty! The Batmobile looks sweet! embrypotzebra and moviemack are the same person!"

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 5:28 a.m. CST

    Yeah.......funny how I haven't seen Moviemack around since B

    by Big_Bubbaloola

    ......hope he's ok and didn't disapear up his own arse..........oh wait....he did. Too bad!

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 6:34 a.m. CST

    Repeat Viewings and missing Carla Gugino's Goombas.

    by Cpt Kirks 2pay

    Batman Begins along with ROTS and WOTW I saw 3 times, with a 4th for WOTW, only'cos I wanted to scare the shit outta my parents as their birthday treat. ROTS got a bit tired 3rd time, but I still wanna check it out again to relish The Emporer. As far as Batman goes, 3rd viewing was still going strong and it has a strength of slowly growing on you more and more. Also all the moments and lines that develop his character in the first half, made me come back. You can read that as 'trying to remember everything that was said', but that was the main attraction. As for Sin City, bit like your typical Tarantino movie, brilliant, exciting, best thing you've seen blah blah blah, but after that you think, 'yeah done, nothing more I want, move on'. Nothing about the characters or emotions that make me want to talk abbout it much or view it again, Mickey Rourke aside maybe. Only thing is, now I sorta kick myself for not going back, 'cos the woman I love Carla Gugino - GOT HER FREAKING BAPS OUT!!!!!!! Man, I'm gonna have that on loop when I get the DVD, then I'll invite her round to watch it. After I chuck out all the tramps I picked up and dressed up as Carla Gugino first that is. "Get the hell out you bums, no you can't keep the CG underwear or fake breasts and spam purses, I've got the real thing here at last!!!" CARLA GUGINO FOR WONDER WOMAN!!!!!!!!!!

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Funny about moviemack...

    by DocPazuzu

    I've seen him lurking about - mostly in peripheral talkbacks but also in the Superman TBs. Often he shows up very late in the game so as not to attract too much attention. Apparently he eventually did go to the post-premiere BB talkbacks, but long after most people had finished discussing the film. When called out on his sudden yellow streak, he claimed he had been "too busy" to get back and take part in the discussion. Aside from fettastic and CocoLopez, I don't think any talkbacker has been as collectively owned as moviemack has.

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Bland Bat

    by The Only Woj

    Truthfully, there were shots that could have been more dynamic, more "arty" ... but I understand the approach he took and why he did what he did with it. Look at it this way, Spider-Man 1 was "eh" for me, but I loved Spider-Man 2 ... huge improvement for Raimi. Now, I already love Batman Begins, though it could be improved ... so I can't wait to see Nolan take on characters like the Joker and Dent ... while having a more detective oriented Batman who, now, has the experience to be a completely badass hero.

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 9:36 a.m. CST

    I think Nolan should make Momento 2: Amnesic Boogaloo

    by Johnno

    With a cameo appearence by none other than Hulk Hogan of course... "What are you, Pocahontas? BROTHER!"

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 9:49 a.m. CST

    WELL YA KNOW SOMETHIN, MEAN GENE!

    by Terminator

    THE HULKSTER HAS BEEN WAITING FOREVER TO GET HIS HANDS ON HARRY KNOWLES, DUDE. WHEN THESE 24 INCH PYTHONS LIFT KNOWLES UP INTO THE SKY AND SLAM HIM INTO THE MAT, HE'LL BE PRAYING THAT THE MATCH ENDS SOON, BROTHER. THEN I'LL COME OFF THE ROPES WITH THE BIG LEG DROP FOR THE 1-2-3, DUDE. SO, HARRY KNOWLES, WHATCHA GONNA DO WHEN THE HULKSTER, THE HULKAMANIACS, AND THESE 24 INCH PYTHONS RUN WILD ON YOU?!? Gene: The Hulk is ready! Let's take you back to ringside!

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Nolan

    by Mafu

    I enjoyed "Batman Begins" in the theater, and I respect the choices Nolan made for the film. For his next project, however, I'd like to see Nolan get back to making a darker, R-rated film in the vein of "Memento" or "Follwing." I realize the next "Batman" film will dominate his schedule if he decides to direct it (I'm thinking he will), but Nolan's true forte, in my opinion, is drama starring deeply flawed characters. "The Prestige" and "The Exec" both sound dark and trippy, although "The Exec," with its portrayal of futuristic corporate warfare, gets my vote. Thanks, Chris.

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 10:38 a.m. CST

    BATMAN BEGINS WAS BLAND?

    by Tommy West

    what are you smoking bb was better than spiderman 2

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 10:39 a.m. CST

    So you think your magic's pretty good, huh?

    by one man orgy

    dueling magicians? I'm there!

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Batman could beat up a couple of magicians

    by Bob of the Shire

    If only all movie production schedule conflicts could be solved so easily.

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 11:40 a.m. CST

    are we talking stage magicians here?

    by oisin5199

    cause it would be sweet if there was someday a movie about Aleister Crowley and his crowd. There was supposed to be a biopic with Alan Rickman as the Great Beast. (I could think of no better casting - think of a bald Snape). I'm not sure whatever came of it - a guy I knew was consulting on it. And Batman Begins? best superhero film ever. 'nuff said.

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 12:03 p.m. CST

    speaking of old tbers

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    what happened to chicken george VII? funny stuff...

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 12:36 p.m. CST

    The Prestige to compete with Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell??

    by HeadlessCorpse

    Two movies featuring 19th century magicians competing with each other both in production? Bestseller name recognition has got to give the nod to Strange and Norrell.

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 12:55 p.m. CST

    hmmmm...

    by billwiser

    is it just me? since BATMAN BEGINS, nolan has seemed really distant and un-enthused in the press in terms of the bat franchise. the entire cast has been quoted as..."yeah, we really want to do the sequel, Nolan just has to return." anyone know what's up? money?

  • Anyone here remember that comic? It's on the same par as 'The Phantom'

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Great Book

    by bfiasco

    The Prestige is a fantastic book and Nolan is the right guy for it. Eat that, bitches.

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 2:06 p.m. CST

    embrypotzebra

    by Alex Childress

    Some people don't need huge fight scenes and explosions to make a good action movie. Also, it's a bit difficult to cover new ground when you're doing an origin that most people are familiar with. Same with Spider-Man 1. However, it's the execution. BB wasn't just a comic book movie, it was a movie. No tongue in cheek references (Spider-Man 1: "You're not Superman, you know"). No cutesy crap. The actors treated it seriously, the sets and directing style is closely patterned after Blade Runner and...aw fuck it. Just shut up, you child. Be quiet and let the people who actually know things about films (and how and why they're made) talk.

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 2:38 p.m. CST

    "Priest described the script as faithful while changing every de

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    Um, what?

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Oisin5199, there'd be a problem with your suggestion of a mo

    by oceansized

    At least stage magic is real in the sense that you can actually see the illusions. No purveyor of so-called "black magic" ever conjured up a damn thing. They claim they have of course, but the spells only seem to work when nobody else is around, like that singing frog. I'd love to hear counterpoints from anyone who thinks differently on the matter.

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 2:59 p.m. CST

    embrypotzebra is moviemack

    by InZodWeTrust

    Wow, what a WOMAN. I was a little suspcious at first, but then she started bitching about the Scarecrow on the horse... Sad... REAL sad...

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 3:34 p.m. CST

    InZodWeTrust, you are correct sir...

    by DocPazuzu

    Embrypotzebra is without a doubt moviemack. The name change without having been banned first is proof positive of how far between his legs his tail is tucked. What a loser.

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 3:44 p.m. CST

    oh boy, here we go again with the wise purveyors of what is "rea

    by oisin5199

    First, witchcraft - now this. how the hell do you know what's real? What's real for others may not be real for you. Magick is ultimately about what works for the individual - it's not about special effects and empirical "facts." In the end, who cares? Crowley's story would make a great movie, a) 'cause it's a great story, b)he's an immensely important and influential cultural figure of the 20th century. Heck, he was on Sgt. Pepper! Your association with him and black magic also shows you really don't know a damn thing that Crowley was about. Not that I think he was the poster child for complete sanity or appropriate behavior, but the titles of "black magician" and "satanist" are thrown around by people who believe media labels and don't actually know the story. There's some great current biographies and cultural studies by legitimate historians out there if you want to be educated (try Place of Enchantment by Alex Owen, history prof at Northwestern, for a study on the immense cultural influence of turn of the century magicians). And Embrypotzebra, you're so full of shit, I can't believe you actually believe what you're saying. Keaton's Wayne seemed natural? Are you kidding me? have you seen those movies lately? They're so over the top with fantasy, it's not even funny. If that's what you mean by style, you can be satisfied with those strange films (you got two of them - and hey, they were appropriate for the schlock time of the 80s), just stay the hell away from the genius of BB. Bitch all you want, but Bale's Wayne was the first time I could believe a character would be become a Batman and that I actually cared about it. As I did for all the characters in the film. Bring on the sequel!

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 4:17 p.m. CST

    I don't know the moviemack situation

    by liljuniorbrown

    embrypotzebra, but i have to disagree with your opinion on BB. Tim Burtons Batman was a good movie but the more i watch it the more i realize it's really flawed.The joker had moments of perfection but also moments of sheer stupidity,the guy following him around with the boom box playing the worst songs Prince ever put out,Pulling that long ass gun out of his pants and taking out the Batwing with one shot?,Spending more time out of makeup than in it?,sorry thats alot worse than Katie Holmes taser gunning Scare crow. But i'm also i huge Superman fan and the Donner films to me anyways Fucked Superman's Archvillan into the comedy zone and back. Lex running around cracking jokes with a wig slipping off his head ,thats not at all the maniac with world domination issues from the comics or even the Superfriends cartoons.

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Just so I have it straight Oisin5199 you say "What's real fo

    by oceansized

    Well gee, with that airtight logic any ol' thing can be real to anyone. Believing in astrology really works for me, so nevermind that there's no evidence of its legitimacy. And you also say Crowley was "an immensely important and influential cultural figure of the 20th century. Heck, he was on Sgt. Pepper" DUDE PLEASE!!! The guy may have been imaginative, but to suggest he did anything important suggests you're the one who'll believe any bullshit you've heard.

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Agenda Much, oceansized?

    by Anton_Sirius

    Crowley's life could/should make a brilliant movie. I suspect you'd have issue with that mean ole faker being glamorized, though...

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Anton, I don't disagree a movie on Crowley's life could

    by oceansized

    So could one about L. Ron Hubbard for that matter. What's sad is that people don't just look at these guys as fascinating, complex characters. THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVE THEIR BULLSHIT! My only real agenda is against stupidity.

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 6:28 p.m. CST

    probably controversially I have to agree with embrypotzebra...

    by doglips

    I had a little bitch about BB on the superman TB so I shall carry on.....I was excited when the news was announced that Nolan would be directing BB, I loved Memento and Insomnia had a great style and effectiveness especially in the portrayal of Pacinos descent into sleepless confusion....I mean this came about from the 24 hour daylight but the way it was handled gave Insomnia a fantastic identity, so the parallel of this that he could have put into BB - the darkness of Gotham - really got me excited that a great Batman film was on the way, Nolan could handle a story and stylistically it should look great right?.....Wrong!.....As embrypotzebra has already said the design for Gotham really was woeful, just another city with a slum and a monorail that really did stick out like a sore thumb on the matte backgrounds ( do not know wether they were hand painted or computer done but the combination of the imagery was very shabby ) and the matte were good, it was just the finishing touches that let it down........For every great idea or piece of attention to detail ( the 'real' gadgets, Scarecrow's visions of Batman) there was always something round the corner to undo all the good work ( The taser incident with scarecrow, the embarrassing laying down bat-mobile driving ?!? What the fuck was that all about?) it was a great film flawed by some bad judgment courtesy of Nolan ( or to be fair it may have been studio interference ).....Which to be honest I was not expecting from a director who had established himself as a talented guy. The fight scenes were really over edited... What the fuck was going on? just a load of flying fists and elbows, the actors were obviously performing a complex routine but why bother when you cannot appreciate it because of the editing?? anyway I'm rambling but you get the gist....BB had a great backbone it was the fleshing out that was the problem......Oh and Hilary Swank ( who Nolan knew from insomnia ) for me, should have got Holmes role.....

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 6:40 p.m. CST

    "My only real agenda is against stupidity"

    by Anton_Sirius

    I can relate. I always got the impression that was Crowley's agenda too, though. (Well, that and sex. Lots and lots of freaky sex.)

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Yeah, embrypotzebra and Moviemack are either the same man or ret

    by dr_dreadlocks

    Either way, it's still two twit personalities rambling on pointlessly. Opinions have already been forged about the films despite all the bitching, so why try to sway anyone? By now people will think what they think and your feeble enterprise of shit will not change that. But thanks for coming out.

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Crowley as a "fascinating and complex" character

    by oisin5199

    That's all I'm saying. I don't really believe that Crowley was here to usher in the 3rd age of Horus. I'm not even a Thelemite or a member of the OTO. Crowley was a trickster figure (faker or fakir? you be the judge) and liked to fuck with (and fuck) people. So do I take everything he said at face value? Of course not. But he was one of the original thinkers of the 20th century, redefining the notion of personal will and subjectivity in the modern era. Besides his innovations in ritual drama, I'd have no problem calling him a philosopher, though he was a bloody awful poet. And yes, I believe that reality is what you make it. Sorry if that sounds scary to you in your perfectly ordered, easily explainable world-view. I'm not saying that we have ultimate control over everything but perception dictates quite a bit. Which is why you can talk to two witnesses of one event and get two different stories. I've made this argument before, but rock-headed empiricists who are clinging to 18th century rationalist ideals don't seem to get it: legitimacy can be proven in more than one way. The stories of what works for some people can not be discounted as evidence. If astrology (not horoscopes, but actual astrology - you know the kind with thousands of years of cross-cultural history to it) helps some people order their own universe, then why not? Everyone has their own lens through which to see the world. You have yours and I have mine. I've investigated Crowley for myself and done extensive research and experimentation, instead of just having an uninformed knee-jerk response. So who's believing any old bullshit? Crowley always told his students to find out for themselves instead of blindly following accepted ideas - (thanks for the reminder, Anton)!

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 7:19 p.m. CST

    I was kidding...

    by kintar0

    when I said moviemack and embrypotzebra were the same person. If you seriously think they're the same person just because they have similiar opinions, you're a bunch of assholes. I didn't like Batman Begins. I thought it was a weak movie and a weak adaptation. Oops, I guess I'm moviemack now, too.

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 8:52 p.m. CST

    What a douche!

    by kintar0

    "You're in the minority so that makes you WRONG!" You probably have no idea that you sound like an enormous asshole, do you? Hey, lots of people loved Titanic, so in your myopic little world that must mean Titanic was actually really good. At least you HAVE to admit it! You also completely misrepresent his opinions for your own end. Not once did he claim his/her opinions were "the end-all views of the populace." The fact that you seem to think what the majority thinks should have any creedence upon an individual's opinion MOST DEFINITELY says more about your tastes than your fucking opinion about Batman Begins. Here's that in your language: durrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Laying down batmobile thing

    by Alex Childress

    The Tumbler, or Batmobile, has a function allowing the driver to move to the nose of the vehicle when greater maneuvering in necessary. For example, when negotiating the tricky rooftops, when weaving in and out of traffic, or when operating target specific weapons systems. Anyone who's ever driven a big vehicle like a Hummer can attest that maneuvering can be difficult. Also, for a realistic Batman whose rules and logic are based on reality, Gotham can't be some fantasy place. A huge Gothic Gotham is great for the fantastical Burton-esque world. I'd like to think there are enough real dark corners of the world to prove disturbing and dark enough. Scarecrow isn't that important. Throughout the film he is nothing more than a tool of Ra's al Ghul, at best. We don't need some big finish to his character. He's chief henchman and that's all. Ra's is the primary villain of Batman Begins. Hope I've answered some questions. Oh, and Mack/embry, or whomever the hell you are: I don't think you're stupid because you dislike Batman Begins. I think you're a fucking moron because your reasons are based on nothing considered logical. Dogslips (although I disagree with some of his points) made oodles more sense.

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Wrong about the Batmobile...

    by kintar0

    The ONLY reason that the controls shift forward like that is so that when Gordon is driving the Batmobile he can have a "funny" moment and go "whooooaaaa!" when the movement surprises him. That's it. That's the only reason. Like Denise Richard's character in World Is Not Enough: the only reason she's in there is so Bond can say "And I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." at the end.

  • Aug. 22, 2005, 11:40 p.m. CST

    JOHN G RAPED AND MURDERED MY LIFE!

    by Super Calimario

  • Aug. 23, 2005, 5:14 a.m. CST

    more BB ramblings....

    by doglips

    You know the more I think about it, the more disappointing BB becomes, great director, fantastic cast ( bar Holmes..) and some good ideas of how to ground a superhero film in reality AND the best choice of villain in a Batman movie yet.... Ra's au Gaul - I thought it could not get better than that....what a waste, the minute you laid eyes on Neeson you Knew he was Ra's, so the whole deception story-line was a complete waste of time, even if it was meant to parallel Bruce's secret idenity....Imagine if we had seen the Ra's back-story at the same time as Bruce's, their paths crossing along the way really setting up the respect and rivalry that has always been part of their relationship.....I felt let down by the way Ra's was dealt with all the way through, he has always been a nemesis of enormous magnitude in the Batman mythos but he seemed to get little respect as a character during the film. Sure he had some great monologues and Neeson was a great choice but we should have had more of him.......Where was the Lazarus pit? Talia? bar the ninja school and the slight notion that he was a feared underground criminal you got no real sense that he was the head of a massive global extremist eco warrior network ( I know this was not part of the story, but we all know from the comics what the storywriters skirted over ) how well would the eco vibe of his character have tied in with the current state of the planet? a bit of cleansing in Gotham did not do Ra's goals as a villain any justice...as I said a real waste....Bringing Ra's in also highlighted for me the fact that Batman was no longer a detective and this has been one third of his character from the start, although Really well played by Bale ( who seems to be able to do no wrong anymore...fuck the machinist is a great film ) he seemed a little two dimensional for such a complex character. The third dimension to Batman for me has always been these detective skills he employs to solve cases....where was this in the film? We saw him train in fighting, why not in forensics and chemistry? Batman was intense toward his physical goals the added intensity of being a single minded and selfish modern day Sherlock Holmes ( Batman was always selfish when it came to solving a case...locking himself away ignoring relationships and friends to get the job done) this could have made a good portrayal of Bats into a fucking bombshell of a character, we know Bale likes to take it to the edge when acting why not let him go for it here?...another wasted opportunity ....Caine was excellent as Alfred nothing wrong there, but Oldman should have been given more to do...his Gordon was just itching to get going, but the script just kept dragging him back and then turning him into an end of film comedy cameo in the Batmobile was a travesty...GOD AWFUL!.......Anyway you're all bored know so I'll shut up... Can't believe they finished Ra's off like that either ( although he's probably going to come back isn't he? ).......

  • Just popped back to see if anyone else was posting and saw my mistake...bugger, kind of undermines my tirade don't it! ( Do you have Asterix over there? )

  • Aug. 23, 2005, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Ya, Asterix, great comic...

    by Johnno

    The one thing that really took away from me from BB was when someone pointed out the hole in the fact that this machine thing that evaporates all the water would've also done damage to the human body seeing that people have a lot of water in their bodies as well. So what happened? Didn't make sense after that, but perhaps if someone can scientifically explain that away, I'd be in their debt. That and I didn't like some of the shaky cam fighting (not the fast blured stuff of Batman pulling someone and all that other crazy shit he does). Loved some parts, got a headache from others... although it was nowhere as bad as the Borne Supremacy.

  • Aug. 23, 2005, 9:52 a.m. CST

    The Prestige script

    by ErrantNight

    Is the best thing I've read in a good long while... this is pretty much confirmed. Jonathon and Chris are doing a rewrite this fall, Newmarket plans to start pre-production in the spring.

  • Aug. 23, 2005, 12:50 p.m. CST

    So Oisin5199, you "believe that reality is what you make it", b

    by oceansized

    Seems to me a worldview's a lot more explainable if you get to make up your own reality. It's hilarious that you have me as the close-minded one for accepting reality on it's own terms, and then portray yourself as open-minded for indulging in naive wishful thinking. You don't seem to understand the basic difference between subjectivity(perception) and objectivity(empirical facts). Just because someone uses astrology to affect their subjective view DOESN'T MAKE IT ANYMORE OBJECTIVELY VALID THAN STAR WARS OR HARRY POTTER. To imply that objective reality can be altered by perception, as you're doing, smacks of someone trying to make their reality perfectly ordered and easily explainable. A certain segment of the populace will always think they're more enlightened for following "alternative" ideas, and Crowley knew how to exploit this. Unforuntaley Oisin5199, these types of ideas still need to hold up under scrutiny. I'd love to be like you and believe if it's esoteric, it must be legitimate, but it simply ain't so.

  • Aug. 23, 2005, 2:44 p.m. CST

    I guess we just have different definitions of legitimate

    by oisin5199

  • Aug. 23, 2005, 2:55 p.m. CST

    oops, not done yet

    by oisin5199

    I don't automatically believe something is legitimate if it's esoteric. If it has a lot of history to it, that helps. But even then, if it works for a lot of people, then I would seriously consider its legitimacy. To me it's about actually researching things yourself rather than assuming it's all a crock. The same criteria hold for religion. Even if I don't believe something, if other people do and it works for them, it has some sort of reality to it and I respect a person's belief. Even Crowley - it all depends on what you read by him. Some stuff makes eminent sense and is perfectly logical. Other stuff sounds like drug-addled, sexed up craziness. I'm not confusing subjectivity with objectivity - I just don't think the line is as black and white as you make it. Even Heisenberg suspected this. Our perceptions CAN affect objective reality. We affect what we observe. Pure objectivity is an Enlightenment era falsehood. Anthropologists have been saying this for years. Also, once again it's about fact vs. Truth - a story may not be fact, but it may contain Truth for people. So if people think that Harry Potter or Star Wars offers them a template for living, so be it. There's a big difference between that and saying that Harry Potter is a factual account. Of course, this all a side point. My main point was whether you believe in it or not, Crowley and other Golden Dawn magicians (like Yeats) and their activities would make a great story for a film. Since when does objective reality have anything to do with filmmaking. Film is diametrically opposed to objectivity.

  • Aug. 23, 2005, 3:09 p.m. CST

    one more thing, oceansize

    by oisin5199

    I totally disagree with your notion that made-up reality is easier than pre-conceived and packaged. When there are hard and fast rules, it's a lot easier to deal with reality, because whatever doesn't fit into the box can be ignored. It's a lot harder to think for yourself and not accept what others have laid out (and I'm aware of the paradox here). When you have rules, be it the Constitution, the Ten Commandments, Newtonian laws, etc., you have guidelines that make life easier - that's why they exist. When you throw those things out (and I'm not arguing that you should throw out all rules by principle), you ultimately have to take total responsibility for every thought and action. In the end, without any guidelines, it would be impossible to live. You have to assume that there is ground beneath your feet and that you exist in the universe (subjectivity) or you'd go insane. Certain assumptions have to be made about how things work in the world. Socially, when you don't have society telling you what to do and think, you have to make much harder decisions about what to do. Not everyone can live like this and only to a certain extent. But the effort is often worthwhile, especially when it comes to the esoteric.

  • Aug. 23, 2005, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Whoa Whoa Whoa

    by Anton_Sirius

    You dislike Batman Begins because (among other reasons) you thought Neeson's identity was too obvious -- but you think THE MACHINIST is a great film??? Talk about your obvious reveals...

  • Aug. 24, 2005, 7:55 a.m. CST

    Well I must be thick then.....

    by doglips

    Cos I did not guess the "obvious reveal" in the machinist, then again I was not trying to guess because I was enjoying the film and had no back story to go off...unlike the wealth of info they chose to ignore on Ra's so they could Knock out a blockbuster....