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Please sir, I want more! New OLIVER TWIST trailer!!!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with a great trailer for Roman Polanski's OLIVER TWIST. There have been many incarnations (starting with the Dickens novel, of course) of the story of this orphaned lad and the tip of the top for me is the 1968 film with Oliver Reed as that right bastard Bill Sikes. The following trailer really has me excited for the film. It looks gorgeous and I love that Fagin and The Artful Dodger look like they did in the musical. Both are iconic in their own right and it's just good to see that look survive. Oh, and nothing would make me happier than seeing a talkback that doesn't become an argument back and forth about Polanski's personal life. Give it a try, huh guys? Enjoy the awesome trailer!
YOU'VE GOT TO CLICK A TRAILER OR TWO, BOY! YOU'VE GOT TO CLICK A TRAILER OR TWO... BOOOOOYYYYY. YOU'VE GOT TO CLICK A TRAILER OR TWO!
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Looks awesome. Can't wait.
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WTF? How disturbing can those images be?
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looked considerably darker. I really loved when Oliver wakes up in that yellow room and the red head is singing, "who will buy my beautiful roses..." You just know that he will be forced to go back to robbery and leave the rich gentiles behind.
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C'mon, who's really rarin' to see this? Does Polanski really think this is what peeps want to see from him? I didn't even watch the trailer and I KNOW that this film is teh suck. Another fucking Oliver Twist adaptation? Why doesn't someone remake Streets of Fire or Newsies? And I doubt Polanski forced any girl to do anything, seeing as that he has the physique of a girl. He's like 3'9 and 90lbs, fer fuck's sake.
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Aug 09, 2005 8:33:45 PM CDT
Everybody comes across just a bit too lovely in the trailer.
by filmrage
Trailers can be decieveing of course but everyone looks like one big happy family. . . . . Of course the musical is a masterpiece. it combines the gritty and the gay (er, original use of the word gay intended here). But the only thing i dont like about that version is the way Oliver seems to be genetically upper class. He is born and raised in a scummy workhouse so how come he had such a plummy accent? In this one too it seems. . . . . yeah the trailer looks sumptuous, i just hope it's not too romantic a depiction of orphaned street urchinery.
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She's at $4mill/picture now.
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I had a Penfold flashback... which was the only good thing about this trailer.
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seriously
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As for the accent, well, you can bet being raised in the parish rather than by parents, they would've taught them proper english or a caning would await.
The look is exceptional, the music was spot on. The idea of showing it all happy and gleeful as you put it, I believe, is to hide the idea that Fagin and co. are indeed bastards who eventually try to off Twist. I'm definitely seeing this, looks like they nailed it. -
Aug 09, 2005 9:30:43 PM CDT
I saw two asshats named Hot Waffles play a song called "George L
by kintar0
and boy do they suck. And the lead singer was fatter than Harry. Seriously, he looked like Jabba the Hutt with a goatee. And he couldn't sing and could barely play the guitar. The song didn't even approach funny and the fact that you couldn't understand most of the lyrics because of Fatty's huffing and puffing didn't help. More like your parents raped your childhood by never saying "no more waffles for you, fatty."
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Been wanting to see this book done justice for a while, and it looks like this will be the one.
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Inquiring Minds need to know.
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And since when does there need to be a "demand" for a movie?
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And I'd sure as hell let Roman Polanski babysit my children before I'd let Oliver Stone anywhere near them.
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You don't NEED demand for a film, but fuck, it sure helps when you want to make said movie. You know, when asking for the money.
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Aug 09, 2005 11:04:37 PM CDT
Pretty soon they're gonna start re-making films that were re
by forestal
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But we don't need to go see them. Shun this flick and it's scumbag creator.
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A pedophile is someone who has a craving for children. Let's not throw around words for shock value, and remember that Polanski's victim was post-pubescent. It doesn't make what he did right, but it makes it statuatory rape. Also, his victim was on television a couple years back saying she had no problem with Polanski coming back to appear at the Oscars, and that he had paid his debt to society. If the victim has moved past it, why can't everyone else? Polanski is a happily married man with children; it is possible for people to do terrible things and go on to lead normal, productive lives. Regardless, I'm able to separate the artist from the art, and I'm looking forward to this film. It's funny how people, as consumers, will pour money into products and corporations that exploit children or the environment on a global basis, but won't see a film because the director fucked a teenager. Ridiculously hypocritical.
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A pedophile is someone who has a craving for children. Let's not throw around words for shock value, and remember that Polanski's victim was post-pubescent. It doesn't make what he did right, but it makes it statuatory rape. Also, his victim was on television a couple years back saying she had no problem with Polanski coming back to appear at the Oscars, and that he had paid his debt to society. If the victim has moved past it, why can't everyone else? Polanski is a happily married man with children; it is possible for people to do terrible things and go on to lead normal, productive lives. Regardless, I'm able to separate the artist from the art, and I'm looking forward to this film. It's funny how people, as consumers, will pour money into products and corporations that exploit children or the environment on a global basis, but won't see a film because the director fucked a teenager. Ridiculously hypocritical.
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"It's funny how people, as consumers, will pour money into products and corporations that exploit children or the environment on a global basis, but won't see a film because the director fucked a teenager. Ridiculously hypocritical." Dude, you nailed it right there... there are plenty more of such examples, sadly enough. Fucking Moral Crusaders... their days are numbered... (you can go to sleep now, your governments is in control...)
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You realize that the only way you'll ever get an adult talk-back from the beginning is by banning idiots like GiftedInThePants who think they have something of value to say. But censorship is wrong, and besides, it is the interplay of banality and lucidity that make these talkbacks interesting for everyone else. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. But yeah, one can dream...
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He's not a pedophile (I don't even care for that word as phile means love and what those guys do has nothing to do with love) but he is a rapist. The fact that his victim has said she's moved past it (not forgiven him) has no bearing on the fact that he is a fugitive. I'm amazed that people are willing to forgive this just because it's 20 years later and he's made a couple of movies they liked.
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Without me, what would you have to complain about? Maybe the fact that you're a loser.....
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"A couple movies that they liked"? Are you kidding me? While Polanski may not be Martin Scorsese, he has a number of great films to his credit. Chinatown, Frantic, The Pianist, The Tenant, Repulsion, Knife in the Water, Death and the Maiden, Rosemary's Baby...this is not a minor filmmaker. Also, there's a reason that Polanski fled the country. A judge had previously agreed to a plea bargain, but reneged and bragged about how he was going to bring Polanski down. Polanski left on the advice of his lawyer, who thought he was headed for a raw deal. You can pick and choose among the facts to paint any kind of portrait you want, but Polanski was willing to admit wrong doing and pay some kind of penalty before the judge changed his position.
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I was gonna chime in on the pedophile bit too. But on the same hand, while we should avoid throwing around incendiary words like pedophile, we oughta be careful to not gloss over what Polanski did with something like him just being a guy that fucked a teenager. Statutory rape is simply what he he plead to (according to the family, they wanted to avoid a trial). But the girl said no AND was drugged, its a pretty textbook definition of rape. And that he was able to move on with his life after doing that isn't some kind of credit to the guy (that's wonderful about the victim of course), of course he has moved on, that's the advantage being a rich fugitive gave him, he was able to sexually assault this 13 year old girl and then run off to another country and move on with his life like he did nothing wrong, so big whoop that he found some way to go on with his life after doing something so terrible. Though I do admit I'm a bit straddled on the issue myself, from what I understand of the plea agreement they had reached, it would have been little more than a slap on the hand, and if that's where everyone was at then, the guy's fugitive status really means butkus I guess. But on the other hand, if there's anything out there worthy of unlimited contempt, rape would be it, and its really hard to say the guy deserves any kind of support whatsoever for doing little more than getting away with his crime. I mean seperating the art and the artist is one thing when we're talking about not judging art based on or due to the eccentricities or actions of the artist. But its a different argument when supporting the art basically supports the artist in getting away, especially with a violent crime, I don't think its quite as easy to simply draw that line.
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He RAPED a 13 year old girl. Raped her. Had sex with her against her will. Hello? When did this become OK? If someone wants pass on his films, they have every right to. This scumbag needs to be denounced as often as poosible, for those who may not be aware of who their dollars may be supporting. WOuld I feel different if he'd served his time and THEN came back? Probably. There is is no excuse for apologizing or defending his behavior. Lazurus, he SHOULD have gotten a raw deal. I despair sometimes of the people walking in the street. Passage of time is not a reason for forgiveness.
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I was gonna us Lazarus, what if it had been your daughter. but I'm afraid of the answer. So let me ask you this, what if it had been you being drugged and raped? How would you feel reading a post like yours afterward?
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That should read, "I was gonna ask."
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Don't make a fool out of yourself by judging a man who went trough hell. What happened to his family is enough to make anyone looose their fucking wits and do something stupid. No, I'm not defending what he did. I'm merely putting things in perspective. Polanski IS NOT a pedophile. Enough of this immmature crap already. Enough time has passed and its time to move on. Let Polanski continue making films if that's what he's realy good at. He did commit a crime and no question about it but I'm sure he himself regrets it.
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The way I see it, leave the punishing to the legal system. If you avoid Polanski films, you're only punishing yourself. It's not my problem if they can't figure out a way to put him in prison 30 years after the crime. btw Who still watches Attack of the Show? That show totally blows now.
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Aug 10, 2005 2:44:17 AM CDT
I Never Said He Was A Pedophile Proman, I Said He Was A RAPIST
by ill clinton
And I don't plan on handing OJ any money either, despite the "Hell" he and his family went through. And OJ was acquited, something Polanski was not. Just keeping things in "perspective."
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People post that they don't want to support a rapist and they are told to stop being immature and to move on? Oh my God, where do you people come from?
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...then Polański is the best living director still making films.
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Where's Roman's edge in all of this ?
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Can't really tell from the trailer how this adaptation is going to turn out.
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france is not the u.s. - even though some of you americans seem to have no idea what borders are, there IS something like that. i know, doesn't bother you much, you invade every fucking country you can, you and your mighty justice system (which you can please stick up your ass). but, douchbag, think about it: if you can't take a country like vietnam, i think it will be slightly difficult with france. maybe you want to go there by yourself, rambo, swim it, it's just a stone's throw away, dumbfuck!
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not bad - guess, that makes my comment useless.
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Aug 10, 2005 7:55:34 AM CDT
SoulReaver, you reading the same posts I was reading?
by prophet jeremiah
Where in the world did you get that "aussie" was an American?
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Polanski got her drunk in a hot tub, drugged her, then ANAL RAPED her after she said no. Then, when facing prosecution, fled the country and became a fugitive. Now he's in France where he is free to make tons of cash and win Oscars. Meanwhile, his victim has to be an adult and say she forgives him, when she isn't rich and will have to deal with this issue the rest of her life. And, hey, maybe you guys are right. Enough time has passed that we should realize that Hitler was also an artist, and perhaps we should learn to appreciate him as an artist and a writer. The facts are you cannot separate an artist from his art. Art is a form of personal expresion, thus it cannot be separate. Supporting Polanski's films is lining the pocket books of a known fugitive and child rapist. Perhaps, someday, when the bastard is dead and buried, I MAY watch his films. Otherwise, he can rot.
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Aug 10, 2005 9:51:27 AM CDT
I've Never Enjpyed Watching A Polanski Film, Why Is That?
by diana rules!
Oh I know! I can't get past the raping. Guess I need to grow up and mature.
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"if you can't take a country like vietnam, i think it will be slightly difficult with france". Difficult? How about Hitler for one. It took him all of a couple of weeks before its leaders fled to Africa and then their army went down as fast as Polanski on a drunk teenager "oh, sacre bleu!"
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Aug 10, 2005 10:38:19 AM CDT
I'd do anything for you dear anything, er um except not ruin
by trevorfactor
ok who the hell's idea was this I recently watch the 1968 version and it was just so well done Ron Moody playing fagin was one of my favorite characters growing up "you've got to pick a pocket or two" he was just amazing in that role and I just don't understand why those evil bastards are remaking this movie? Don't get me wrong Ben kingsley is a great actor but how can anyone out perform moody's fagin? It just can't be done. Does anyone agree with me here?
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Oh well.
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The man raping someone just makes his movies more interesting. I mean, you're watching a movie and the whole time you're thinking, "This dude raped someone, there's no telling what he'll do in this movie." I've never seen a movie of his where he actually went buck wild cinematically, but you always know he COULD. Plus, they're great date movies. I pop in the DVD and the chick is like, "Why'd you put that in?" Then I say, "Why do you think baby? I think you knowwww . .. . " Then the whole time she's looking at her drink funny and kinda waiting for it. I've done some heavy boning to The Pianist, I can tell you.
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is bullshit. It's a cop out for people who are too lazy to stand up for their convictions or just too lazy to have any. When you see a Roman Polanski movie you are lining his pockets with money. By seeing it in the theatre you are making sure that other studios will hire him to make another film. When you watch it on TV you are making sure advertisers are willing to sponsor that 2 hour block of air time. Someone was actually retarded enough to claim that Polanski probably feels bad about what he did and it's been enough time that we should forgive him!? I'm sure Charles Manson feels bad about what he had done to Polanski's girl. I suppose Roman wouldn't mind if we let him out as well.
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Aug 10, 2005 10:50:48 AM CDT
you can go but be back soon, you can go but how I'll miss ya
by trevorfactor
are there even songs in this one?
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Aug 10, 2005 10:55:33 AM CDT
will this do as well as the music-less version of Les Miserables
by miserableraingod
Lets hope so! At least the trailer was good. As for Polanski...he's a great director, but if he anally raped a thirteen year old girl, then he deserves to pay some price to society. Is living in France that price? Probably...I can't imagine much worse than that.
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does any one want to talk about anything else besides his downfalls? like maybe the new movie versus the old? or ron moody vs ben kingsley as fagin?
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I'm trying here man. But call it human nature or a flaw in human nature but people seem to only be able to focus on the negative aspects of something like this. Plus they lack any remotely interesting or intelligent comments about this remake. What can I say people suck. personally I like thinking about Moody and his acting in the musical but apparently nobody agrees with me so.....
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France? Are you kidding me. Give me four weeks.
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I watched it again to be sure. Oliver Twist said "cool"??? Am I wrong or were they using that word in that context back then? I somehow don't imagine.
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No one want to address the issue that as consumers, you line the pockets of corporations every day, many of which have unfair business practices that exploit children or the environment. If you're a U.S. citizen, you pay taxes to a government that has much innocent blood on its hands, not always in the name of something righteous. So isn't it hypocritical to be okay with that, but draw the line at giving twenty-five cents to someone who scarred the life of one person? Also, what about the people who appear in Roman Polanski's films? By association, shouldn't you be boycotting any actors who have appeared in his post-rape films, as they helped support his work? I'm talking about Harrison Ford, Johnny Depp, Ben Kingsley, Sigourney Weaver, Adrien Brody, etc.? What about all the parents of the children who appeared in Oliver Twist? Why are they able to move past this?
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Not that I'm a fan of his work, come to think of it he's never done anything I've enjoyed and the fact that agreed to remake an already existing masterpiece well that just puts him even lower on my list of "cool" people. Regardless I'm sure he did pay for his crimes and I don't know the whole story but if he was found guilty I imagine it carried with it some sort of punishment, and if that weren't enough I'm sure he's been bashed by the public, put on a list of sex offenders, received nasty phone calls, and possibly was raped himself when in jail (inmates love guys who play with kids) So to answer your question Lazza all actors were hired because of the all mighty dollar
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You are assuming that those that don't pay for Polanski movies DO shop at companies that exploit people? That's a brave assumption on your part. Oh, and are you really saying that since the U.S. government does things you don't agree with we should stop paying taxes? That's absurd. Comparing large copmanies or governments to one man just doesn't hold water. I, myself, while VERY offended by his crime, am MORE upset that he fled the country instead of facing his punishment. You know, if you want to support child rape, go see this. The rest of us have strong feelings about it. And this forum is as good as any to discuss our feelings. Afetr all, this is one of the more interesting talkbacks I've seen in a while. It's about time somebody hits us with a Hulk Hogan line about child rape. Anybody?
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Aug 10, 2005 2:12:10 PM CDT
She was raped, then the imbecile groupies that go to a Limp Bizk
by leolo
it is really awful to see how most people accuse young ones as idiots due to mercenary type worshipping of famous people from "little" girls. Polanski was wrong, but the girl, her family and where terrible. And judging a work of art because of external issues is something that history will never remember.
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20 years of not using it
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You say you won't see this movie because it was directed by a rapist, not an oj fan for obvious reasons, but you live in a country that is constantly raping the world, not to mention killing everybody. What kind of stand are you putting there? Going to alot of rallys and protests? nope probably sitting in your mom's basement while she washes your soiled sheets.
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I take back what I said about him already having paid for his crimes. And I don't blame or think poorly of anyone who bashes his movies because of him as an individual. In fact it amazes me someone actually gave him work considering how many younger and probably more talented people there are. "what are you gonna do, when the hulkster comes after you polanski" how's that JohnnyH? seriously Hulk Hogan should run for president, he'd get my vote and think about negotiations with other countries and how easy it would be if Hulk was there saying "yeah yeah I don't care if you disagree just sign the paper brother"
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Were any of you there? I mean, when he "raped" that girl? Did any of you personally see the man drug her? Seduce her? Rape her? No??? That's what I friggin' thought. The court of public opinion has spoken on Polanski, but that doesn't prevent him from going down in history as one of the greatest, most versatile directors ever. Whatever. I'm not defending his actions (or what his actions may or may not have actually been, but that I'm not sure of seeing as how I wasn't friggin' THERE), but this man is an artist. He's a film director, and this is a film site. Just about every single one of the people that we idolize and canonize on this site have very likely done something that either we or the law wouldn't take too kindly too. And yet, we continue with our love for films.
Rape is ugly. It's scary and it's serious. Rapists deserve justice (or more to the point, their victims deserve justice). But, you'll have to excuse me if I don't watch Rosemary's Baby and think about Roman Polanski being a "Rapist" the whole time. That's because his films are amazing. Just drop it and fucking move on... -
love you too buddy! But I admit I was speaking of which I knew not of. Something I myself have bashed others for doing. so no big deal. I didn't realize Polanski was never found guilty. actually, based on previous posts, I thought he was found guilty and assumed... a good lesson to you kids out there - if you assume, you only make an ASS of U and ME
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I tried to bring this talk back around to be about the intended subject long ago, could have used your support say FIVE HOURS AGO but I'm affraid you're just too late. It's a lost cause. viva la Hulk Hogan
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que sera, sera, brother...
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did you think the first time you watched it that it might actually be possible that Ron Moody was returning for the role of fagin? call me silly but I had to watch it again before I realized,... well...he's dead, I think? anywho he was my favorite part of this story and call it the 18 beers I drank last night or the fatty I toked at lunch but undeniably the kid in me was hoping it'd be Moody again
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Aug 10, 2005 3:17:06 PM CDT
Major Points There Trevor And Something For MacReady & Lazarus
by ill clinton
Thanks for coming through on the Hulk Hogan request and changing your post after discovering the facts. It's a rare thing to see on AICN and one of the reasons it's important to put out this information every time Polanski has a new film. A lot of people don't know what their money is going to support and wouldn't support it if they knew. MacReady, what country do YOU live in that doesn't have blood on it's hands (I'll ignore the inflammatory raping and killing comment for the moment)? Do you withhold your tax dollars in protest? Or are you old enough to pay taxes? Or are you just living on the dole (tit for tat for the always fresh "basement" insult)? Long, get ready for this . . . I DO boycott the products of businesses who's practices I don't agree with. First and foremost, I buy products made in America. Not by American companies that make their products overseas, but actually MADE in America when possible. Not every time, I happen to like imported beer, as an example and foreign films and music. Now, does THAT make any difference to you Lazarus? I suspect not. You'll rightly, upon careful examination of my expenditures, discover I inadvertently sent money to something I knowingly would rather not have. The way I've found out exactly what my money goes for is that someone cares enough about an issue to inform me. As much crap as I give the liberals about any number of issues, I never object to someone standing on a street corner handing out a flyer that tells me exactly what company is using sweat shop labor. I will read said flyer, do some research, and then may very well object that particular company by voting with my wallet. It's a very powerful form of protest if everyone does it. And if everyone isn't doing it, I still will. Lastly, it seems I missed a post that was banned by AICN. Long, MacReady, do you know why AICN might ban a post? Because some people might find the content offensive! The banners themselves might find the content offensive and don't want it on their site. It is their right to do so. Just as it is my right NOT to go to a Polanski film if I find his past behavior offensive (which is really putting it mildly).
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I guarantee the keyboard with which you typed those words wasn't made in america. but I still got your back fellow patron of the states
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OMG. Now I'm going to lose sleep. Dammit dammit dammit. Anchorite called me a dumbass.
You know, I didn't say he was guilty, or that he was innocent. There have been roughly three hundred "official" versions of this story floating around for a couple of decades now, and who's to say which one of them is the most "real" version. I don't care if he ADMITTED (your caps, not mine) to the rape...he was never convicted of anything. I'm not talking about blind faith in the judicial system here, but I AM talking about a filmmaker who may or may not have actually committed a crime many years ago for which he has been forgiven by the "victim" and the victim's family, and who is releasing a new movie. That movie, if you had forgotten, is called "Oliver Twist". This talkback is about the new trailer for said filmed incarnation of Oliver Twist. Did that fucking title up there say "New Oliver Twist Trailer...And Feel Free to Pontificate on Something you Have No Knowledge About"??? I didn't think so. Just nobody cares about how you personally feel about Polanski. Heck, no one cares how I feel about him either...or anyone else for that matter. Just drop it, and move on. If you don't personally want to see it, then you can join that "Cooter" guy who wants America to not see Dukes of Hazzard...both of you can go live happily together in curmudgeonly old farts with too much time on their hands-ville.
As for my ass being dumb, well...it can belt out some serious show tunage...what can YOURS do?
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You'd lose that bet.
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Sigh.
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I would have wagered on that heavily
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Aug 10, 2005 3:38:41 PM CDT
"Just nobody cares about how you personally feel about Polanski.
by ill clinton
I care.
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Sorry for so many Family Guy references just watched some episodes last night and there stuck in my head
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All of my computer equipment is made by a monk (yes, an actual monk) who happens to be a friend of mine. I'm sort of his guinea pig. He upgrades my stuff all the time. He never purchases parts, all stuff is donated to the monastery and he builds all his stuff by himself, then sells it at a flea market. I realize not every person has a benovolent monk at their disposal, you just landed on an item where I can account definitely say I know who's doing the labor. One guy. Now he MAY have raped someone in the past, and if I ever find out about it . . . damn. I'm screwed.
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yeah I can't buy that one, I keep picturing gandhi telling the kids in a heavy indian accent "You were supposed to bring me the wallets. now get out of my store, and come again" - apu
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...as Mr. Bumble...just picture it.
Too funny.
"Fine booooooyyyyyy....fine boy for saaaaaalllle...he's going cheeeeeeaaaaap...only seven guineas..."
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ok it's official - I'm adding entirely too much to this talk back. you're welcome harry
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And in my world, we read people's posts for proper context and a full understanding of what they wrote before blasting off like some self-righteous man/volcano. Also, people where hats on their feet and hamburgers eat people.
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a musical theatre actor eh? Well what the duce are you doing waisting so much time in here? Shouldn't you be out auditioning?
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...goddamned hasty typing...
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well, my ass once had a brief stint as the frontman for Motley Crue. But then again, whose hasn't? Yes, you read that right.
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it's been fun kiddies, try not to kill each other while I'm at the bar. I'd hate to see any casualties as a result of an oliver twist movie talk back
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whatever
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The man is a great director, and a terrible coward. We have little choice over what country we reside in, but we can choose what corporations we funnel our life off to, and Sony isn't getting my cash from this venture. I'm not going to go around blasting folks for not wanting to watch a Mel Gibson movie anymore, and the same standard applies here.
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Do you people know how to read? I'm not arguing over whether or not Polanski did what he is accused of doing. It was a reprehensible act. What his state of mind was after the Sharon Tate murder is something else entirely. It might explain (but not excuse) his actions. What most of you idiots are failing to acknowledge is that Polansi WAS planning on facing the consequences. Apparently no one bothered ot read what I said, or have selective memories. You can go research the case yourselves, or shut the fuck up if you don't know the whole story. I'll repeat it: there was a plea bargain deal made with a judge, who then WENT BACK ON THE AGREEMENT and bragged to someone about how he was going to take Polanski down. Polanski's lawyer TOLD him to leave the country because he was going to be nailed by this judge. If you have information to refute this, by all means share, but don't misrepresent Polanski by acting like he raped some little girl and then got on a plane the next day. That's NOT what happened.
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No one has answered my challenge regarding boycotting actors who have worked with Polanski. If Harrison Ford and Johnny Depp have helped the career of a known child rapist and fugitive from justice, why are you paying to see their movies? Aren't they guilty by association? Where do you draw the line?
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I'd just like to say sorry if i said anything to offend you. I guess sometimes people can get a little carried away on the postings. I wasn't trying to convince you to see Oliver twist, or forgive Polanski. I guess... well i guess i just wanted to make sure you're someone that really stands up for his beliefs and isn't all talk. I've always found everything you've posted to be very profound.You're a special person and don't let anyone tell you different.It really put a smile on my face when i heard you only buy american. Take care and don't let these people get to you.They're just not as smart as you.
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say what you will about polanski, he (most of the time) makes really great films. he has one of the better hit-to-miss ratios for a director that i can think of. he beat scorsese and actually deserved to. and isn't this his dream project or something? i for one can't wait.
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Ferris Bueller's principal toiled in kiddy porn. The Dude who directed Powder and Jeepers Creepers molested a little boy. I would have to say let's thrash on these guys before polanski.
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You're acting like the judge was somehow the villain here, lets remember Polanski was facing sentencing for his actions, not because a judge didn't like him. Its not the judges fault Polanski did what he did to that girl, and the judge is in no way responsible for Polanski deciding he did not want to face sentencing. If an approved plea bargain is or is going to be broken, that still in no way justifies FLEEING THE COUNTRY (and there is no lawyer who would advise such a thing). If a plea deal is in place and especially if sentencing is a term of that deal, and it is broken, then of course the judge has obviated the terms of the deal and the plea must be set aside, or Polanski's lawyer could have pursued a court order which would require the terms of the deal to be respected. The point is that there are a number of legal alternatives to pursue, simply because the easiest way out may possibly have not been available to Polanski is in no way justification to disregard the law. And the reason I say there is no lawyer who would earnestly advise their client to flee the country is because, again, there are clear legal alternatives to a plea bargain being broken, AND advising Polanski to do such a thing would of course be illegal, the lawyer would not only more than certainly lose his license, but he himself would be up for criminal charges.
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MacReady, I wasn't offended. I did raise an eyebrow at my country killing and raping the world, but until I was sure where you were coming from I wasn't going to go off on a tangent. Your graciousness is appreciated and reciprocated. And I don't always buy American, I just try to a lot. Long, I'll try to answer your question. If you start boycotting actors who've worked with Polanski, shouldn't you then boycott people who've worked with THOSE actors? If you do that, you start getting into a really twisted game of Six Degrees of Roman Polanski. Since the eventual outcome would be not to watch any movie ever, that's obviously not a viable choice. If an actor is in a Polanski film, I may not respect the decision, but the actor is not the one who raped anyone. Let's say I have an issue with Bill Gates, should I then be angry at everyone who works for Bill Gates? You tell me. It gets difficult. I don't always get to hit the moral ideals I would like. But just because I can't practically draw the line everywhere, doesn't mean I shouldn't draw it anywhere. Cochran worked for OJ, does that mean I wouldn't drink a beer with Johnny? Probably not. There's a grey area in there.
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I urge anyone who wants to intelligently debate this matter to do their own research instead of ignoring or pretending to know the whole story. Polanski DID plead guilty to one of the charges against him, and DID serve jail time while undergoing psychiatric observation. An agreement had been reached between Polanski's lawyers, the victims lawyers, and the DISTRICT ATTORNEY that he would be released with time served. Before the sentencing, the judge had told people he had changed his mind and would possibly lock Polanski up for 50 years. So let's not act like he tried to walk away from this thing right from the beginning. Here is a link to actual articles about the case: http://www.vachss.com/mission/roman_polanski.html. Try getting all the information before voicing your kneejerk moralistic opinions.
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Or whatever. And when people do engage you in debate, i.e. respond to your posts, you ignore their points and move on to something else. So who's jerking the gerkin now?
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Aug 11, 2005 1:31:25 AM CDT
"So let's not act like he tried to walk away from this thing
by gheorghe zamfir
What does it matter WHEN he fled? Somehow that makes a difference? Yes, he raped a girl and got away with it, but hey, we should give the guy credit cause he didn't run off until he was actually faced with the possibility of punishment. And while you've done an admirable job of repeating yourself, it doesn't change anything in my previous post when I addressed this same point the first time you made it. I'm not sure what point you're trying to effect here anyways, a judge rejecting a plea agreement is in no way justification for anything Polanski did. Can I understand why Polanski took off? Sure. Does that excuse it? No, and neither do any other half assed justifications. If we want to talk facts, these are them, Polanski raped a girl, plead guilty, and then fled the country to avoid sentencing, that's it. The fact that he might have been willing to stick around so long as the sentencing didn't involve any actual punishment means squat, and that the judge rejected a plea agreement means even less.
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If the D.A. and the victim's lawyers were okay with that deal, and at the last minute the judge changes his mind? The judge was telling people he was going to put Polanski away for 50 years. He had previously OKed the plea bargain. What kind of bullshit is that? You can see from the reports done during the psych evaluation that Polanski was dealing with a whole lot of shit. I'd call a 50 year sentence a bit excessive in that case. And once again, the guy could have left the country much earlier, like when he was originally released on bail. It wouldn't have been difficult. He was willing to pay some kind of penalty for his wrongdoing, and it bothers me that no one wants to acknowledge that. I'm not calling him a hero, but when people throw terms like child molester around it paints quite an incorrect portrait. The average basement dweller on AICN probably thinks the guy abducted some 13 year old, fucked her in the back of a van, and then jumped into the welcoming arms of the cowardly scumbag French. If you're going to boycott his films, so be it, but at least get the record straight on what happened. The same thing occurs every time Woody Allen's name is mentioned. He didn't have sex with his adopted daughter, molest his own children, or any of that crap. The bottom line is that if the victim in this case is okay with Polanski being free, so should the legal system and so should you. She believes he has suffered for his crime and paid a debt, so what makes anyone else a better judge in this case?
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that name just gives me the FAINT impression that he is not really an aussie. i thought that would be obvious, i mean, i get the idea that he battles aussies, but let me know if i got it wrong. as for hitler and france - maybe you're even right comparing this indirectly to american behavior, but i can only say that i equally hate those attempts to invade countries your ass doesn't belong to. nevertheless i have to say that hitler was far more successful then, no matter how you will put this. i am no nazi, i love freedom - it just may not be the kind of freedom you want to impose us by force. so leave me alone with this kinda stuff - i know, i may be a little too focussed on americans, but fact is that most americans don't know shit about european history and should quit braggin' about things they don't understand.
that's my last statement i have to make about this, so give it a break - as for the rape, i am of the same opinion as most of you - polanski should be punished as anybody else, but why is it that he was that successful with his movies, even winning an academy award? it's because after all he still is a great filmmaker and deserves it. it's like with your enemies - even they can tell you the truth, and it would be really dumb not to acknowledge that. -
france is a nuclear power by now. think about this a while, and you will find that the situation has much changed since then.
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blah blah blah polaski blah blah blah rape blah blah blah damn americans blah blah blah I'm right you're wrong blah blah blah horses make great pets blah blah blah superman's wife has cancer, so sad! blah blah blah fuck the french - for those of you who haven't read all of the above posts this just about completely sums it up
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I mean, seriously...if the Beach Boys had just taken Charlie Manson more seriously, then he might not have killed Sharon Tate, and then Roman Polanski might not have been so veklempt as to rape (or not) a young woman, and (gasp!) we might not have anything to bitch about on the boards! Get real people. The Beach Boys are to be blamed for EVERYTHING! Soggy rice krispies??? It's the Beach Boys' fault! Reaganomics??? Yep. You guessed it. The Beach Boys. I think we should stop holding all of these people accountable for their own actions, and lay all the blame at the feet of those only peripherally related to the whole shmeal. It's the American Way! And yes, I'm an American. Woo hoo! Lynch the Beach Boys!!!
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...I have to spell it out for some of you reactionary morons, that was a touch of sarcasm on my part.
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ow what would we do if we didn't have these boards to bitch on, actually lead productive and fulfilling lives? ow screw it I'm way to hung over for this. Damn you beach boys for making me poison my body damn you straight to hell
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I think it's really funny that you city vachss.com as a source to defend Polanski. If you did a little more research yourself, you'd find that Andrew Vachss despises Roman Polanski for what he did and has in fact, turned down business deals with a foreign film company that boasted Polanski as a board member. You people that defend him on the grounds that he was incarcerated for a little while and fled because he wasn't going to be sentenced for the reduced charge of statutory rape really sicken me. If you want to be ignorant and support a child raper by seeing this movie, go ahead, but to sit there and actually try to defend his actions only exposes you for the sociopathic idiots you are. To compare Roman Polanski to a corporation or the US Government is a ridiculous argument. I suppose I should just ignore Polanski's crimes because other people are getting away with it too? Or perhaps I should include that I don't shop at Blockbuster or wear Nike either. Is that OK with you. Harry, Quint, and Moriarty have a real chance here to make a small difference in this matter but rather than actually stand up for something that matters and risk a little negative mojo from the studios, they'll use their powers to get Michael Clark Duncan cast in a movie or get a bunch of people to attend their respective screenings or events. You guys have a voice and you could use it for something positive. I've read parts of Harry's book and given the events of his early life, I find it hard to believe he can just gloss over the events of Polanski's life and promote his latest film. Especially a film that stars children.
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funnier and funnier. Argh! Child Rapist! Argh! Hyperbole! Argh! Guilt by association! Argh! It's a free universe. Just be glad we're not living in some sort of alternate "spock-with-a-goatee" universe where Polanski's "Oliver Twist" is viewed as being government-sponsored propoganda and therefore is required viewing by all. If you don't want to see it...regardless of your reasons...then don't see it. Simple as that. All else (on either side of the argument) is mere hyperbole. And yes, I know I'm guilty of it too. Anyway, I'm tellin' ya, it's all the Beach Boys' fault! Bring me the head of Brian Wilson! Argh!
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you're missing the point, man! I'm tellin' ya...it's the effing Beach Boys...
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Surely, the self-aggrandizing Mr. Moore should devote a wide-scale documentary-style feature film to this subject. It's the only way we'll ever...truly...know...
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http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/artists/roman-polanski/
Probably closer to the truth than anything. So, with that article in mind, does this mean that we should ban Jack Nicholson's movies as well? Where does it end? -
Aug 11, 2005 11:49:50 AM CDT
So the average AICN basement dweller can have the facts straight
by gheorghe zamfir
He lured a 13 year old to come over by promising he would make her a model, coerced her into posing topless, drugged her, and then raped her. Being a public figure he was able to use the threat of publicity to strong hand the parents into asking for any deal that would avoid putting their daughter through a trial, which is exactly the deal he got. He then fled the country to avoid having to pay any kind of penalty. So was there a plea deal? Yes. Was the judge going to back out of it? We don't know, and you oughta stop throwing that around. We don't know what the exact terms of the plea deal were, nor do we know what the judge was going to do, or what he could do within the terms of that deal. Does it matter? Not at all. Again, IF the judge was going to sentence him to jail time, then so be it, that's the consequence of raping a 13 year old girl. And like I said before, if there was a plea deal, there is absolutely legal recourse if it is broken. Also, there are also perfectly legal and responsible reasons to obviate a plea deal, and it happens all the time, facts arise between the plea and sentencing that force it to happen. If that's the case, if something occured during his pysch evaluations or during trial that forced the judge to consider the plea deal invalid, well tough shit, but that's exactly the point of the process, but its not the case of some mean ole judge, that's a consequence of the crime committed. But that's the law, we don't grant excuses to avoid it when it doesn't fall in our favor. Though irs regardless as this reasoning, that he made a plea deal and took off when he thought it was going to be broken, doesn't make any sense, as if there was a plea deal being invalidated, then the plea is forced to be set aside, which then forces a whole lot of consequences, none of which would allow the judge to simply cart him off to jail (mainly because at this point there would no longer be a guilty plea), so this story simply doesn't wash. In more likely terms, the plea deal had no arrangements whatsoever in regards to sentencing, which is exactly what the facts in that link you provided would seem to indicate, and the judge was free to sentence him within the guidelines of the crime he plead guilty to, Polanski simply wasn't willing to face (the possibility of) a harsh sentence. The bottom line is he raped a girl and then ran to avoid having to pay any kind of penalty. Whatever point you're trying to effect, it makes absoluty no sense. Of course he was willing to face a light sentence for his crime, so is any other criminal, but criminals don't get to pick their poison. He doesn't get credit for that, it doesn't make the law the bad guy and him the lil ole rapist being given a raw deal. That he tried to get out of jail through legal means and only took off AFTER that failed means absolutely nothing, zero, zip. And its great that the victim of the crime has moved on, but it is a key aspect of our justice system that crimes are not held to be a private matter between a criminal and a victim but a public matter between a person who breaks the law and every one of us. After 30 years the victim has moved on, great, but sorry, that means nothing in respect to his crimes, and we don't reward criminals, especially the violent ones, for having gotten away with the crime just because they managed to have gotten away with it for a long time.
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...how many lawyers or law historians we have on these boards! The world is absolutely rife with experts, and the AICN talkbacks are clearly no exceptions.
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Aug 11, 2005 12:35:46 PM CDT
I'm not saying anything you have to be an expert to know
by gheorghe zamfir
Fairly common sense stuff, but I'm flattered that you're so impressed to have made the mistake.
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CLEARLY dictates that the Beach Boys are at fault in all of this. So there.
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damn beach boys, paving the way for all this legal babble and hate ridden talk backs. Ow and to all you novelists can you please for the love of killing the beach boys shorten your talks maybe just a little, you're making it hard for be to concentrate on the work I'm supposed to be doing
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...in a gesture of pure "Who really give a fat frog's ass, anyway"-ism. All I'm saying is that there IS no real "right or wrong" here. The facts, as they may or may not exist, dictate that we each have our feelings on whether or not we should, as individuals, go see a Roman Polanski movie. If you don't want to see it, then don't...but honestly, no one is going to "win" this argument. It's just a rhetoric war...with one side saying nothing more or less important or meaningful than the other. Except for me, of course. Every gall-dern nugget of gorgeous prose that flows betwixt my brain and my keyboard is worthy of an ever-fuckin' Nobel Peace Prize. Oh, and it's the Beach Boys' fault. Besides, if you people don't know when you're being fished, then I don't what to tell you. I guess you need a manual or something.
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I'm just saying. Also as a rule of thumb can you people at least try to be funny and not so stick-up-the-ass-ish, the point was delivered here several times
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Remember the happy times when everyone used to argue about who's been cast as wolverine, or how can spidey not have homemade web shooters? Can't we just go back to those carefree movie nerd days? Nerds Unite! all we have is each other. Here i'll help start it. Who would win in a fight Trinity or kate beckinsale from underworld?
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damn you beach boys damn you all
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...did you just fucking play the "why can't we all just...get along" card, did you? Did you play that card? BAD monkey. BAD.
Oh, and trevor, it's only available in Betamax, regrettably. So solly. -
but only because Neo's got her back plus she was awesome in Momento
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...she kind of turned into a total wuss in the last two movies, didn't she? She turned into "Neo's little ho" instead of "ass-kicking, leather-clad Trinity". How about Hellboy vs. an army of Uruk Hai? God, we're geeks. *shiver*
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my money is on Hellboy.
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chaos I intentionally forgot that the matrix had a part 2 & 3 for obvious reasons! what about Stewie Griffin vs Lex Luther?
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...this topic is officially "dead".
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totally Stewie on that one. Lex Luthor was just a grudge-match guy. Nobody holds a candle to the pure, evil genius embodied by Stewie. And there you have it.
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http://www.myspace.com/thehonkies
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Aug 11, 2005 2:08:59 PM CDT
strong bad email - hours of fun just check out the dragon one (m
by trevorfactor
http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail.html
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happened to be posting a url at the same time as me. But that music was just weird I shut it down once the chanting started
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have I officially killed this post, not that it had much life left in it anyway but still. Or is everyone over at strong bad's site enjoying the wonders of email correspondence? ok never mind I just looked up and notices chaos and i are pretty much the only ones left here so who am I talking to exactly? myself? hi self, how is me doing today?
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You didnt kill the post... all the posts have killed themselves! Most of the new ones are a bit too specialised for my liking... I know nothing about Oliver Twist, and I most certainly dont want to see remakes of Omen or the Wicker Man... Oh Hollywood, why must you constantly remake films? Why will you not come up with new ideas???
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A lot of people say that's why he now lives in France. Don't know if it's true or not, but there's a lot of stuff about it on the internet if anyone's interested.
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brit if you haven't seen the 1968 musical Oliver I strongly recommend it. Ron Moody plays Fagin the leader of a gang of orphan pocket pickers and he's hysterical. This movie is a classic comparable to sound of music or annie or west side story, really it's good check it out. Winky - please tell me that was sarcasm, I can't handle rehashing this crap again
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Everything from the beginning to "He must be hanged" was good. Then it looked like shit.
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In case you were wondering, Oliver is saying "cor" in the trailer, an archaic bit of british slang meaning, aproximately, "wow!"
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