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GOBLET OF FIRE is officially too dark for PG!!!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here... when it rains it pours. Just a few minutes ago we here at AICN were sent an uncomfirmed heads up about the newest Harry Potter flick getting slapped with a PG-13 rating (the news started at TV Guide's news site). I sent emails to try to get it confirmed when, unbeknownst to me Moriarty actually manned this weird muggle invention called the telephone and got a confirmation from Warner Bros. So, it is confirmed. HARRY POTTER AND THE GOBLET OF FIRE will be PG-13.

I'm personally psyched about this. Anybody who has read GOBLET OF FIRE knows that it goes into some dark, dark territory. This is the best possible news at this point I could hear about the movie. It means that Warner Bros (probably under the advice/demand of Rowling herself) hasn't forgotten that the Harry Potter audience has grown with each movie. AZKABAN is the perfect bridge for this new rating... it was dark and creepy, but still in the PG realm. The kids, especially those who know the books, are ready for this step up... Not just ready for it, but expecting it.

Potter fans rejoice! "Sequences of fantasy violence and frightening images." Voldemort is going to be so damn creepy! Can't wait! November can't get here soon enough for me!!!

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  • Aug. 8, 2005, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Yet another story broken first in the Zone...

    by MasterWhedon

    Good job, Bean.

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 6:43 p.m. CST

    This is great news!

    by Bean_

    This is what the series needs.

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Thanks man

    by Bean_

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Gentleman Rejoice

    by John-Locke

    Maybe this one will be worth all the hype, fair enough these films aren't aimed at my age group but maybe this is a good sign.

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 6:46 p.m. CST


    by Alex P. Keaton

    pg13, nice..

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 6:46 p.m. CST

    I think it's a great sign

    by Bean_

    WB isn't afraid of a PG-13 rating, imagine a PG Phoenix O.o

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Bean. Phoenix will have to be.

    by MasterWhedon

    There's MUCH more death and dismemberment in that one. That entire sequence at the Ministry is a prolonged "sequence of fantasy violence and frightening images." Very exciting. CONSTANT VIGILANCE!!

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 6:51 p.m. CST

    I can't get over how really great this news is

    by Bean_

    Here I was thinking the film would be toned down for the kids... now I can't wait to see the TWT, but more importantly the graveyard scene, WHO CARES IF IT'S DAY NOW?

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Up next: PG-13 SMURFS

    by Sir Loin

    Actually the PG-13 rating will make for a darker film, indeed...we got the STAR WARS film that wasn't made for 8-year-olds, so it'll be interesting to see what's in this movie. I still think they should go into "dark territory" with the announced CGI SMURFS movie.

  • Eggggscellent.

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Will "Half Blood Prince" be R?

    by zacdilone

    SECTUMSEMPRA! Maybe Tarantino could direct it.

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Harry Pooper and The Gobbler of Penis

    by Itchy

    , however, will remain NC-17.

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 7:18 p.m. CST

    hermione nip slip = pg 13?

    by rivercb

    (crosses fingers)

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Rivercb, don't you think that'd be edited out?

    by Bean_

    Great reasoning there, buddy.

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 7:31 p.m. CST


    by mascan

    According to the TV Guide article, there will be "one reference to that 'horrible, ----------ing son of a -------, Voldemort.'" Could we actually get hardcore cursing in a Potter film?

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Thank God...

    by crackerfarmboy

    that they are not going to dumb it down. I agree with your assessment of Azkaban as the springboard for the rest of the series.

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Book 7: "Harry Potter and the Money Shot"

    by I Hate Movies

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 7:38 p.m. CST

    half blood prince

    by redshirt

    is an easy R then. The ending was very disturbing, and is sure to have all the kids balling as they leave the theatre. The fun has left the series. It is going towards Steven King themes. No longer kid friendly. I think that's sad.

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 7:44 p.m. CST

    half blood prince

    by ShadowSorkin07

    It's an easy pg-13. You can tone it down a bit, and still have it be just as sad. By the way, it's easly the best book in the series, it proves rolwings one for the ages, not just right now. Also, great news about this movie

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 7:46 p.m. CST

    News on this keeps on getting better

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    Though I loved what Cuaron did with the last one, and was dissapointed he wasn't coming back, I actually thought Newell was a great choice to follow up (Into the West is a criminally underrated family film, and c'mon, Donnie Darko!), for a project that started with a guy like Columbus its nice to see they're actually thinking a bit out of the box for directors on the sequels. Was also dissapointed that Williams couldn't return, but I lvoe Patrick Doyle and can't wait to hear what he does here, his work on Henry V and Hamlet is fantastic. Then the teaser looked great, and now we get news that the series may actually be growing up a bit (not that I had a problem with the PG predecessors). Potter is easily a series where those involved could just rest on their laurels and cash in, it's nice that (at least by the sound of it) they're actually putting soe genuine effort into it.

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Cherry Popper and the Half Blood Tampon....

    by luckylindy

    hehe Im so dirty....good news bout the movie tho too.

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Makes sense

    by quadrupletree

    I would expect nothing less if they stayed true to the source material.

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Anybody know when the full trailer hits?

    by dr_nerdikus

    That would be nice to know, m'kay .

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 8:03 p.m. CST

    I personally

    by Little Beavis

    couldn't give a shit less. FUCK HP and FUCK this all the little turd goblin monkey's add to this bitch's bankroll.

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 8:07 p.m. CST

    PG in Canada

    by anakinskg1

    I'm sure Goblet will be rated PG in Canada like Episode III and Batman Begins. I'm guessing our kids aren't a bunch of pussies and can handle a "darker" theme.

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 8:08 p.m. CST

    20 Years Ago...

    by Veraxus

    This movie would have still gotten a PG. Raising a movies rating because it's "scary" is fucking ridiculous.

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 8:11 p.m. CST


    by Veraxus

    Absolutely true... the Canadian government still assumes that parents are responsible enough to raise their own kids. Merchant of Venice was rated R in the US (I have no fucking idea why... but on the commentary director Michael Radford suggested that it might have been the vintage frescos in the background)... however, in Canada, Merchant of Venice was given a PG rating. What the FUCK is wrong with this goddamned country?

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 8:17 p.m. CST

    It's Donnie Brasco you idiots

    by pzadvance

    Mike Newell had nothing to do with Donnie Darko. The movie he directed was called Donnie Brasco.

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 8:17 p.m. CST

    God fucking bless Canada.

    by dr_dreadlocks

    I love our rating system. It defines liberal. I think porn is the only thing that warrants our 18A rating.

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 8:18 p.m. CST


    by chrth

    do you mean besides the fact that a bunch of adults with no lives hang out on the Internet and bitch about meaningless things like movie rating systems?

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 8:24 p.m. CST

    What's wrong with this country, scrivner?

    by Pynchon6

    People who think there's something wrong with the country because of different movie ratings. That's almost as lame as thinking Canadian kids are somehow capable of handling something "darker" because of a stupid rating, when our kids are busy sneaking into R movies while Canadian pussies are too PC and neutered to break the ratings rules, eh? Considering the postings here, it's mostly virgin adults who whack it to young girls who are gonna see this, anyway, so what are you two whining about? You're as bad as the guy who said an actress in Battlestar Galactic says something about "Canadian women" when the actress is from America. All non-Americans have to constantly compare themselves to the US while we just laugh and sneak into R-rated movies. Now go crash a plane, and do it RIGHT this time, with deaths!

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Donnie Darko Donni Brasco

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    Slip of the tongue.

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 8:42 p.m. CST

    The Worst Witch

    by Wookie_Weed

    Rowling ripped off Jill Murphy's The Worst Witch series, you dumbasses. Not to mention Neil Gaiman's Timothy Hunter from The Book Of Magic. Plus a bit of Roald Dahl's Witches.

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 8:55 p.m. CST


    by 3 Bag Enema

    No, it will be PG in Canada because you're all a bunch of godless heathen devil-worshipping homosexuals and the Harry Potter series are used as training films for the babies you stole from hard-working Americans to continue your socialist New Sodom!!!!

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Harry Potter's Clone

    by Flypaper

    Good point Zamfir, not to mention that Harry Potter's image is fucking IDENTICAL to young Watson's look in the Young Sherlock Holmes flick, right down the the glasses, scarf and hair. I honestly don't think there's a non-regurgitated concept in the entire HP series. And yet it's JKR's very own licence to print money. Sigh....

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 8:58 p.m. CST

    It's true.

    by 3 Bag Enema

    Plus your leaders are shape-shifting alien lizards.

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 9:03 p.m. CST

    huck harry potter it rips off king arthur cause there is a limey

    by Darth Philbin

    go eat a bag of dicks.

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Canada ain't all that liberal ...

    by godoffireinhell

    There's a whole bunch of stuff that's banned in Canada while it's legal in the USA. Take S&M porn for example. Or hentai anime with "young looking" DRAWN characters. Some guy just went to prison in Canada for importing some COMICS. Yeah, that's the definition of liberal right there.

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Cool! Perfect book for PG-13

    by jimmy_009

    This was the best book IMO. I can't wait to see how they cram all that plot into a two hour movie.

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 9:23 p.m. CST

    If Joss Whedon directed HP4

    by Razorback

    AICN would call it the greatest movie ever created and we would see 500 articles about it every day. Whedon fans would cry during the special screening of it and predict that "everyone will be blown away."

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Ratings in Canada...

    by wackynephews

    ...are set by provinces not by the country, guys. We also don't have PG 13, we have 14A which is why we get a lot of PG movies. 14A is much more lenient then PG 13 so you almost never see a PG 13 rated movie get a 14A. But you do on occassion see an R become a 14A.

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Rowling's books get

    by Sayhey Kid

    more mature as they should. readers get older and the movies should mature as well. rowling has kids reading (and adults) reading again. the harry "clone" idiot obviously has never read a book in his life.

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 9:32 p.m. CST

    the ratings in canada are just different

    by Dr_Boll

    they look at not just the content, but whether it's gratuitous(sp). Unlike in America where you say fuck 3 times or show a kick to the head and it's an automatic R. A movie like Saving Private Ryan got a 13 rating while a movie like Haute Tension would get a 16.

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 9:37 p.m. CST

    US ratings screwed

    by anakinskg1

    Just to had how great the Canadian rating system is - Steamboy was given a G rating by the Canadian Home Video rating system. In the US - a PG-13 rating. How the hell is there such a difference??

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 9:44 p.m. CST

    I think ROTS was also rated G in Canada...

    by Dr_Boll

    ...Or at least Quebec, which is probably the most lenient place in the world when it comes to ratings.

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 9:45 p.m. CST


    by adambalm

    Remember, all o yall can repent of Harry Pottah now and accept Jesus Christ as ya own personal lawd and saviah!

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 9:46 p.m. CST

    If Canadians are so smart how come they live in igloos?

    by FistStrongpunch


  • Aug. 8, 2005, 9:54 p.m. CST

    two words about HP 6

    by caerlas

    Sectum Sempra. Will we see it?

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Wait, people live in Canada?

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    I'm very much against that, we need to take efforts to preserve Canada much more seriously, it is after all, America's largest national park.

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Harry, I got my magical period

    by Orionsangels

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 10 p.m. CST

    wow, i haven't been this excited since the Gonnies reunion

    by ChileanSeaBass

    Let me go get my chunk action figure and stick it up my rectum while thinking of dumbledore...sometimes i wonder is this site is created by an overweight fat toddler man

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 10:17 p.m. CST


    by blackthought

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 10:38 p.m. CST

    little advice, ChileanSeaBass...

    by omarthesnake

    next time you think to yourself "ooh, I'm gonna be so clever and sarcastic," check your spelling n' grammar. "Gonnies"? "is this site is"? Nothing like coming across as a dumbass while you're trying to accuse Harry of coming across as a dumbass. PS: "Gonnies"???

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Of course this movie would be PG-13, this comes as a surprise?

    by Holodigm

    Well, I'm sure it would to people who didn't read the books, but for those who did? I mean come on. PoA flexed the PG to its limits, stretch marks and all, and GoF makes PoA look like Bambi (then again, OotP makes GoF look like Bambi too). There's no way they could keep GoF PG without royally fucking up the source material, and there's no way the studio could get away with that one.

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 11:06 p.m. CST

    "Snogging" = Oral Sex, Right?

    by Liberty Valance

    Help me out, I got a D in British Slang. If I'm right, we can be sure of two things: HP and the Half-Blood Prince will be NC-17, and Ginny Weasley is a total fucking cockwhore.

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 11:13 p.m. CST


    by Sayhey Kid

    I agree. I think the ending of this book changes the tone of the entire series. If you've read the series, you know the exact moment it goes from a children's fantasy series, to a more mature young adult series. I would hope they would capture this in the film version. PG 13 is the way to go. (The following won't be R though...that's ridiculous). And we'll see Sectum graphic it will be is the question.

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Jeez, I remember when PG-13 meant boobies

    by Reverendz

    and a couple of F-bombs. Woman in Red or Dreamscape. Shoot, even gremlins because of the sheer gore factor. A movie should never get PG 13 just for scariness. And a movie should never get an R unless there are boobies. In fact, if a movie gets an R rating, they should go back and do reshoots and ADD some boob shots. Otherwise, how do I know which movies to see?

  • Aug. 8, 2005, 11:59 p.m. CST


    by Bob of the Shire

    I highly doubt they'll risk a R-rated Harry Potter, but I can see a hard PG-13.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 12:05 a.m. CST


    by Russman

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 12:19 a.m. CST


    by viola123

    I'm glad about the rating too. I cannot wait to see this movie too, and nothing so far has made me fear for it. So here's hoping the news continues to be good. I think Ralph is going to be amazing as Voldemort and the kids, with all their teenage trials and tribulations, are going to be great too. Isn't this great? Isn't it nice to look forward to something? LOL. Anyway, I think things are looking awesome for this "Harry Potter". The teaser was enchanting. :)

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 12:30 a.m. CST

    Apologizing for my post in advance

    by liljuniorbrown

    Who gives a fat shit if Harry Potter is rated pg13? The whole thing weirds me out because all they showed on tv three weeks ago when the book was coming out was a bunch of grade school age children in witch costumes having lightning bolts painted on there faces at Barnes and Nobles.How does that have anything to do with adults reading the fucking books? Like i say what ever floats your boat...if your 26 and you read Harry Potter,all i can tell ya is keep on trucking,cause i'll be out fucking,grown women with big ass titties.3 Bag Enema's post is better than mine you if want to get pissed at somebody.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 12:31 a.m. CST

    by foreignerbelt

    I cant decide whether or not I liked Half-Blood Prince. someone needs to tell me what I think.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 12:57 a.m. CST

    half blood prince

    by redshirt

    no, foreigner, you didn't like it, neither did I. It seemed rushed, poorly written, too much talking, not enough action. Not to mention the horrifying ending. NOT a kids book. Why didn't Dumbledore just pour the poison on the ground if he could scoop it out? Drink it? Dumb.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 1:31 a.m. CST

    What many people seem to ignore:

    by DerLanghaarige

    The Harry Potter books started as books for kids, but it has always been intended, that with every year, in which Harry and his friends get older, the readers should grow up in the same way. Which means: Book 1 is for 11 year old kids, #2 for 12 year olds, and #7 will be... Unfortunately the kids like it so much that it doesn't got the right credibility for many older readers.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 1:39 a.m. CST

    Just had a great idea:

    by DerLanghaarige

    How about Paul Verhoeven or David Cronenberg as director for part 7?

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 2:11 a.m. CST

    Why so many Joss Whedon and Serenity posts?

    by Razorback

    Well, it is actually a marketing scheme to create fake buzz about the movie. AICN is actually directly involved in this scheme... this is based on the fact that the studio paid the site owners off with gifts and hookers. Every word is true.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 2:22 a.m. CST

    Katee as herself... She is cute!

    by ZeroCorpse ----

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 2:22 a.m. CST

    Sorry--- Wrong talkback!!!

    by ZeroCorpse

    Oops! My mistake.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 2:48 a.m. CST

    Rectum Tempura! Dee-lish!

    by all

    And feel free to poke fun at Canada right up to the point when you completely run out of friends and fresh water. Good luck dicks.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 3:10 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    Your main gripe with HBP seems to be with its tone. If you absolutely, positively have to have a happy ending in a book, then nothing else is going to make you like it. As for the poison-drinking, (SEMI-SPOILERS:) it was part of the sinister spell employed to guard the seeming horcrux. If he hadn't drunk it, the "grail" would have kept refilling itself, much like Harry's goblet kept emptying itself of the enchanted water before he could give it to the parched Dumbledore, forcing him to fetch water from the lake instead and thus awaken its soggy denizens. I didn't find HBP poorly-written at all, and the series is indeed going from strength to strength. The amount of action in HBP is less than in its immediate predecessor, but I distinctly get the impression that it's the calm before the final storm. The purpose of HBP is, to a great extent, to fill us in on all the proper background information we'll need in order to fully enjoy the apocalyptic finale. The ending in HBP is utterly horrifying (although I have a suspicion all may not be what it seems), and shows that all bets are definitely off before the final show-down. From here on out it's going to be VERY intense, I'd expect, and I, for one, can't wait.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 3:15 a.m. CST

    Fuck this shit...

    by KID AB

    Anand Tucker to direct best fantasy trilogy ever!! His Dark Materials (Well IMO it's better than LOTR, which I felt was too long) Besides anyone who can direct a decent (From what I'm hearing) Steve Martin Movie, Shopgirl, has to be decent. Even if it does have a sex scene between the Jerk and Claire Danes. After writing that sentence I'm now going to have a steaming hot bath to get rid of that image.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 3:20 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    That should of course be "poorly written" and not "poorly-written". No, the irony was not lost on me.

  • "Did you cry?"

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 3:58 a.m. CST

    rip offs

    by Fortunesfool

    Everyones bitching about about Rowling ripping people off but no one minds when Tarantino does it...constantly. Shes writing fantasy novels with witches and wizards. Its like writing a vampire novel and being accused of ripping off Bram Stoker. Its the accepted lore of witches and wizards that all those works were based on. Rowlings only problem is that she thinks she created it all.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 4:03 a.m. CST

    If you don't cry after seeing Serenity...

    by Razorback

    Then you probably didn't get your opinion from the Internet.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 4:05 a.m. CST


    by the M'hael

    most everything can be seen as a rip off. either writers take inspiration from historical events, or from other works of literature. everything from star wars to the matrix, it's all been influenced or ripped off from somewhere. even the lotr has it's basis in reality. complaining that something is a rip off is only valid if it's brought nothing new along with it. no matter how much you want to argue that harry potter isn't anything new, it's just not true. and i'm not even a fan. i guess the only way you could truly call something else a rip off is if you yourself have created something entirely new and origional. so, from here on out, all the haters have to post links to sites that have their own work up, so we can compare a judge ourselves.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 5:16 a.m. CST

    12A in the UK?

    by ElPaw

    When will it be rated? 3 months to go... Does this rating also mean it is finished, and the trailer will be out soon?

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 5:46 a.m. CST

    I can feel the cross-border love, anakinskg1

    by Diazanon

    It's not that the Canadian kids aren't big time pussies -- they are. It's just that the rating board figured the numbers would confuse them. We've all seen Tom Green. ------------ PG-13 sounds fine. I'm more worried about them cutting it down to the bare plot for the runtime. The details make it worthwile.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 5:54 a.m. CST

    But in Canada, Manny's abortion episode on Degrassi wasn&#39

    by Mr. Profit

    In the US it wasn't aired. So Canada is somewhat liberal. In the US shows always cop out when it comes to a lead character on a TV show getting an abortion. Some shows dont even mention the word.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 6:02 a.m. CST

    Weed's decriminalized in Canada, too...

    by kintar0

    but it's way too fucking cold to live up there.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 6:06 a.m. CST


    by drjones

    well..i think in this case devin over at chud gets to the core of this information. quint, you're simply overreacting

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 6:44 a.m. CST

    SPOILER ALERT: God, I hope they recast Ginny Weasley before HBP.

    by Colonel_Blimp

    We need someone worthy of Harry Potter. The one who plays now doesn't look the part, and doesn't act the part. Unless something extraordinary happens due to the magic of puberty. Always thought she was sort of poorly characterized in the novels too, though. Maybe the problem will solve itself, as I fear the franchise might die with the OotP - the least blockbusterish (ie all character, no coherent plot) of all the novels. Or are they going to make all seven no matter what? How about a spinoff movie with Hermione?

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 6:56 a.m. CST

    Colonel_Blimp .... a Spinoff Movie With Hermione ?

    by Itchy

    Gee. I wonder if anyone will offer any suggestions for a plot ? Christ - it's like throwing a steak to starving Dobermans.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 7:29 a.m. CST

    Degrassi Abortions

    by chrth

    In TOS, one of the twins had an abortion (Heather, I think)...they showed that in the's more the network it airs on than the country; TOS was on PBS, TNG is on Noggin, which freakin' edits Daria episodes (which, of course, were shown unedited in the US on MTV)

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Whoooping with glee! I can just see Cedric Diggory getting blast

    by Sepulchrave

    Death to the family movie! Down with saccarine nonsense! Death to the 15's action movie (I'm in Ireland). Hooray for: Wormtail hacking off his own hand. Harry getting cut up with kives. Harry being horribly tortured with the Crucius Curse. Cedric getting whacked (no looking away) Voldemort's hideous aborted foetus avatar. And his terrifying flat white face/red slitted eyes/ cackling high-pitched Nazi voice. Christmas without LOTR is still looking good.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 9:10 a.m. CST

    I hope voldemort talks like amon goeth.

    by Colonel_Blimp

    "I...pardon you..." Beautiful.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Sepulchrave... I couldn't have said it better myself.

    by Bean_

    I really can't wait for this now, can't say it enough.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Alicia Witt to play Ginny Weasly

    by Kentucky Colonel

    Hubba-Hubba! She's one fine redheaded lass!!

  • After PoA, I'm really really sad that they aren't still using John Williams for the music. He proved with PoA that he actually COULD write some new and great themes for the series and not just repeat the main HP theme on an endless loop. Assuming that they are going to try and darken/mature the mood of the music, I trust that does not mean dumping the HP themes we've heard so far. I don't believe you should not notice a movie score, and I fear that ass-clown school of thought will be taking over. Patrick Doyle has done some good music, but nothing truly great, so I hope he'll surprise me like Howard Shore did with Lord of the Rings.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Here there be !SPOILERS!:

    by Shigeru

    If a certain person in HBP really was completely wrong about another certain person, and went out like a simpering little bitch, when he was the most infallible character in the whole series......well, then I am driving off a bridge or something. JK CAN'T be that bitter....can she?? That said, Ginny Weasley IS a bit of a cockwhore, and Takashi Miike needs to direct the sectum sempra scene. And the end of HBP with Ginny & Harry? Totally Spider-Man!

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Ah yes, creeping into the occult

    by Hate_Speech

    come on kids, ride with us on our flaming bus into heck.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 10 a.m. CST

    Just like Fawkes [Spoiler]

    by LegoKenobi That's all I have to say.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 10:11 a.m. CST

    alicia witt is 30 years old.

    by Colonel_Blimp

    SPOILERS: I loved the part with the house of gaunt/riddle in HBP. Such a creepy inbred deliverance-ish mood. That's a cool thought, that fullblood magical families inbred to keep the bloodline pure. I read recently that hitler's ancestors were inbred too, that his grandparents were actually siblings or something. Life imitating art. What you guys think we have in store for book 7? I'm pretty sure harry will return to hogwarts even though he said he wouldnt. Also, I think snape's actually a good guy, he only had to kill dumbledore so he would become voldies most trusted servant, so that he can give harry information on the remaining horcruxes or something like that. A big issue in book 7 will be harry forcing himself to trust snape. proof that snape is good: why else did he notify the OotP in the end of book 5? Nobody would have known if he didn't, and then harry would have been dead and the prophecy in the hands of Voldemort. Also, i don't think dumbledore will return in 7, except maybe indirectly through letters or a pensieve or something. and he'll get back together with ginny in the end. my two cents at least.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Harry Potter sucks

    by kwisatzhaderach

    I think the problem with Harry Potter is the lack of a sense of wonderment about the films. They seem like a series of pictures being made solely for profit. These pictures will not be regarded as classics 20 years down the line, Stone and Chamber were average kiddie flicks. Rowling was right, they should have got Gilliam to do them. That would have been interesting. Never mind, new Jim Cameron movie soon! Kids, wait til you wrap your eyeballs around Battle Angel!! Go Jim!!!

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Look! on my previous post, the word inbred starts lines 2-4.

    by Colonel_Blimp


  • Aug. 9, 2005, 10:19 a.m. CST

    er...spoiler... I meant ginny will get back together with harry.

    by Colonel_Blimp

    Not dumbledore. But you probably understood that. I'm going to have a lie down now.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Other Wizards

    by ROBE

    The problem with those people who argue that Harry Potter is a ripoff Tim Hunter is that both wizards ar predated by Luke Kirby a dark haired boy wizard from the pages of Britain's 2000AD comic. Tim Hunter first appeared in DC Vertigo's comic Books of Magic in 1990, while Luke Kirby appeared in the 2000AD story Summer Magic in 1988. So Tim Hunter is hardly original himself. There is also the character Ponder Stibbons (a dark haired wizard with glasses)who appeared in the Terry Pratchett Discworld novel Moving Pictures in 1990. Oh and what about Presto in the old Dungeons and Dragons cartoon? As for magic schools they have been around for at least 45 years (no doubt someone can find an earlier school than me).

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 10:47 a.m. CST

    you know

    by blackthought


  • Aug. 9, 2005, 10:47 a.m. CST

    WB to fix TOMBSTONE mistake

    by ROBE

    From reports in the press it seems WB is going to remove the name Marvolo and correct the date of birth on Lord Voldie's father's grave.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Problem with Gilliam

    by ROBE

    Time Bandits and MP and the Holy Grail are some of my all time favourite movies. However Gilliam has frequently gone way over budget and would likely want to mess about with movie continuity again so I doubt WB will hire him. On the Gaunt family in HBP I kept on hearing Banjo music when I read the chapter about them.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 11:23 a.m. CST

    My theories on HBP <SPOILERS>

    by mjbok1

    I think that in the end Snape will be good, but it will be...Malfoy that saves Potter and likely gives his life in the process. I think that Dumbledore was already in the process of dying (his dead hand) and much like a magical gangrene (sp) it was slowly eroding his body. The reason he asked for Snape was not to save him, but to kill him. Dumbledore knew that he needed to sacrifice himself, and having Snape finish him off worked better for the long term plans of finishing off Voldemort. I thought HBP was much better than OOTP and I have to admit I was stunned at the end. I half expected there to be a wink, wink at the end showing that Dumbledore was not really dead. Lastly I think there is an outside chance that Snape is actually Harry&#39;s dad. Just my thoughts, feel free to ridicule them at will.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 11:24 a.m. CST

    ha ha ha very funny

    by sith-vol

    I am sick of the deliverance refrences, I love banjo music an I&#39;m not right back got to go fuck my sister.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 11:29 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    I personally think Sirius&#39;s "exit" in the last book and Dumbledore&#39;s "murder" in HBP are part of an elaborate Order of the Phoenix ruse to make Voldemort think he&#39;s way ahead of the game. Snape is still very much loyal to the order and must, in a way, carry the heaviest burden of the whole series. Like someone pointed out earlier, Dumbledore has up until now been like a benevolent Fu Manchu, omniscient and by far the most crafty character in the books. His manner of death doesn&#39;t sit well with what we know of him so far. Also, Snape didn&#39;t actually seriously hurt or kill any others during the escape from Hogwart&#39;s, although he had plenty of opportunity. His frustrated and impotent rage at being called a coward by Harry during that escape also indicates the burden of being a double agent. I think that during the final battle, both Sirius and Dumbledore will reemerge at a critical moment to aid Harry during his moment of truth - fuel, if you will, for the magic Dumbledore told him he had and which Voldemort lacked, namely the ability to love. Or, I might just be overly optimistic along the lines of talkbacker Some Dude who fervently claimed Palpatine was Sidious&#39;s clone. Either way, the next two years of waiting will be a bitch...

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 11:30 a.m. CST


    by Shigeru

    I think you are right on with your theories, except for the Snape being Harry&#39;s Dad one...not bloody likely. But Lily Potter&#39;s reanimated Inferi corpse attacking Harry in book 7?? Hell yes!

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 11:34 a.m. CST

    I don&#39;t buy the final battle between Harry and Voldemort

    by Sayhey Kid

    as the denouement. That has climax written all over it. The model works for each individual book, but not the entire series.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 11:36 a.m. CST


    by Sayhey Kid

    I agree Snape&#39;s still working for the Order, but I don&#39;t think Dumbledore or Sirius are alive. Rowling&#39;s a better writer than that.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 11:43 a.m. CST


    by mjbok1

    Maybe not Harry&#39;s dad, but there is definately more to the backstory between James, Lilly, and Snape. What was shown in the pensive in OOTP was just the tip of the iceberg, I think.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 11:46 a.m. CST


    by Shigeru

    Snape is going to play a huge role in book 7 (obv.) He has to, and his past with Harry&#39;s parents and the Marauders, not to mention how he got to be a death eater, is going to play into everything.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 11:50 a.m. CST

    If lily potter is reanimated as an inferi and attacks harry,

    by Colonel_Blimp

    it will be some of the most disturbing shit ever in mainstream culture. not to say that&#39;s necessarily a bad thing. Anchorite wrote: "Could you imagine the world-wide outcry from the fans if she [JK] decided to pull an Arthur Conan Doyle on us?" I&#39;m not updated on Doyle lore. Can someone fill me in?

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Inferi Lily would be...

    by blockheadsrule

    Simply awesome.

  • Is the Unbreakable Vow. Snape must have found out about Draco&#39;s mission, and told Dumbledore, right? Dumbledore could A. Prevent Draco from killing him, thus dooming him to death via Voldemort&#39;s wrath, B. Let Draco kill him and turn to the dark side, or C. work out something with Snape (ie Unbreakable Vow) where Snape kills him instead of Draco, thereby preventing Draco from turning evil. Everyone is going with option C. Now how is Draco Malfoy THAT important that Dumbledore would sacrifice his own life in order to save Draco from turning to the "dark side"?? If Dumbledore was the only one who Voldemort feared, and he knew that they still had a few more horcruxes to find, wouldn&#39;t he stick around and help Harry out, considering the sacrifice of Draco to the Death Eaters not so big? What did Dumbledore know about Draco that was so important?? Hmmm. AND another thing!: Can Harry talk to the portrait Dumbledore?? Why can&#39;t they just converse that way and share theories about locations of horcruxes, ect.? Will Portrait Dumbledore retain all his memories of when he was alive?

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Once again

    by Marvin Tikvah

    If Serenity had any hope it would have been released May-July or Nov-Dec. But guess what ballsacks its being released with all the other turds in september!!!

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 12:58 p.m. CST

    isnt goblet of fire still shooting? how can it possibly be rated

    by BEARison Ford

    maybe i&#39;m wrong but i&#39;m pretty sure principal photography is still going on.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 12:58 p.m. CST

    PG-13, great! Shame that Gambon just isn&#39;t Dumbledore...

    by performingmonkey

    I&#39;ve liked Michael Gambon in other things but he isn&#39;t Dumbledore. He isn&#39;t tall enough for a start. In Prisoner of Azkaban Daniel Radcliffe was nearly as tall as him. Also, he doesn&#39;t have that mysterious wizard quality that I think was required for Dumbledore. As much as it would screw up the series more, I would like someone else to play Dumbledore in 5 & 6. Speaking of book 6, if done as a straight adaptation it&#39;ll be the worst movie easily. There&#39;s a lot less action than in the other books, and there are many flashbacks to Voldemort&#39;s past when he isn&#39;t even in the book proper, so I don&#39;t know how they&#39;d handle that. All the Volde flashbacks and then he doesn&#39;t turn up at the end? I could see the director cutting most of it as there&#39;s no payoff. The romance element will probably be greatly enhanced also. The fact is, nothing much happens in Half-Blood Prince, it&#39;s more build-up to the last book. Maybe they could shoot films 6 & 7 back to back, with Cuaron directing. I&#39;m thinking that would be best, as who wants to wait the years for the last movie?

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 1 p.m. CST

    hey saw2 is coming out in October

    by trevorfactor

    does that make it a turd also? because I&#39;m actually looking forward to it. Also super siked about the pg-13 rating nice one director or producer or whoever the hell came up with that idea - geniuse this will make the minors want to see it even more. But what the hell is that smell? It reeks in here of BO or something I can&#39;t quit put my finger on it but man something about this talk back stinks to high heaven. God what is that smell?

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 1:11 p.m. CST

    I think that the darkness in and of itself isn&#39;t the issue.

    by Barry Egan

    I think that what fans of the books are happy about is that the filmmakers haven&#39;t watered the book down to get the PG rating. The book is dark and keeping true to the spirit of the book demands to keep it dark. HBP is really dark.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Budget/light meter

    by Brendon

    Gilliam has frequently gone over budget? No, no - that&#39;s not true. Muncahusen went over budget due to thomas Schuhly, the producer. Jesus - what has Gilliam done to get this rep? As for this Potter film being "too dark" for a PG - what, the MPAA are using a light meter to determine their ratings now are they? Dark? Dark? What the hell do you mean "dark"? Dark is one of those adjectives - like &#39;mature&#39; that seems instantly adolescent the second it leaves somebody&#39;s mouth. Say what you mean! Do you mean "threatening" or "distressing" or "violent"? What is this "Dark" business?

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 2:22 p.m. CST

    life sucks then dumbledore dies

    by trevorfactor

    contemplating the meaning of life (if there is one) and the complexities of interpretable emotional variables one can&#39;t help but feel lost. Ow sorry about that I&#39;m having a bad hair day I think. I know it&#39;s true because I feel like JKR is a cunt and needs to be told so. What the hell is wrong with me today? Maybe it&#39;s (SPOILER) the fact that she creates & kills favorite characters and prays on shock value (bitch), but I gotta tell you I watched mind of mencia last night and made it half way thru daily show afterward but even though I laughed at the stupid mexican guy beating barney up with the bat I don&#39;t see how this has anything to do with this talk back, ow shut up I was here first, piss off, no you piss off <bang> fuck I&#39;m dead

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 2:24 p.m. CST

    kai are you trying to make my day even worse?

    by trevorfactor

    if so just come on over to my office and just punch me in the face, I&#39;d actually prefer that then to think the 1 movie I&#39;m looking forward too actually sucks. Did you see it or are you just talking out of your ass?

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 2:32 p.m. CST

    by foreignerbelt

    I got the feeling that Snape was Dumbledore&#39;s kid. it is the only thing I can think of to generate Dumbledore&#39;s implicit trust. I dont know.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 2:41 p.m. CST

    No way is Snape Dumbledore&#39;s kid

    by zacdilone

    I think there&#39;s a mystery afoot behind Dumbledore&#39;s trust in Snape...another Unbreakable Vow, perhaps? Speaking of Unbreakable Vows, do they ever describe what kind of death they bring to a person? What if it&#39;s a slow, gangrenous (sp?) death, starting with the hand used to bind the vow? In other words...did Dumbledore make an Unbreakable Vow, then break it, leading to his withering hand and impending death? If he knew he was going to die anyway, he could convince Snape to finish him off to maintain an illusion of loyalty to Voldy.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 2:51 p.m. CST

    as if things couldn&#39;t get worse

    by trevorfactor

    1st the bad word on Saw2 now dana reeve&#39;s (wife of christopher) has lung cancer? what the fuck? That&#39;s it I&#39;m going home, this day has sucked me dry. screw work screw everything I&#39;m gonna go get drunk

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 2:54 p.m. CST

    OoTP Movie

    by WickedMonster

    I think this will actually be a jump-the-shark moment for the survival of HP series on film. I don&#39;t really care about what they do with it even though it would be the hardest book to adapt because of its purely character driven plots. What I am looking forward to is the moments of Umbridge, the final day of the Weasley Twins and the Battle at the ministry. Thats it. That should make up the whole movie.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Dumbledore&#39;s (SPOILER) Death.

    by WickedMonster

    Sirius&#39;s death was forshadowed in PoA when his soul was about to be sucked out of him by those black hooded thingies. When I first read of Dumbledore having that burnt hand in the initial chapters of HBP, immediately i got the impression that things wont end well with him in this book or the next. I already sensed a weakness in him at that point, and I was ready to accept his final demise. I bet thats what happened to most people who read the book. Rowling&#39;s forbodings are usually quite out there. Besides, Dumbledore needed to get out of the way because its the only way Harry could finish this alone. Its his battle, and no one elses. If Dumbledore would be alive, then readers would be expecting him to take action and not Harry. Whoa, that was long...

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Spoilers HBP

    by Harold The Great

    Pretty sure Harry became Voldemorts last chorux, when he faced voldemort as a baby. he has a part of his soul in him (that`s why they stated in the book that creatures can become choruxes, and that`s why they have a connection) so he has to die to destroy voldie. the prophecy is about Neville. (there`s no other point in introducing this possibility).

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 3:17 p.m. CST

    I don&#39;t think so.

    by Shigeru

    Somebody has to die in order to create a horcrux. Who died in order to create the one inside of harry? Mum and Dad? No.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 3:47 p.m. CST


    by lopan

    geek fight

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 5:57 p.m. CST

    by Jaka

    JK has acknowledged or denied all your "clone" references. Harry looks so much like Tim Hunter it&#39;s ridiculous - but she had no knowledge of Tim Hunter. Great minds think alike I guess. And she has PURPOSELY copped huge amounts of the HP mythology from other sources. What makes her brilliant is that she makes you BELIEVE, while reading, that it&#39;s all her own. It&#39;s called, I believe, good writing. There are whole books, endorsed by Rowling, explaining the HP mythologies. Ya&#39;ll need to find something new to complain about.

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 7:11 p.m. CST

    I&#39;m actually thankful of the canadian ratings system...

    by Octaveaeon

    It gave us the &#39;Boards of Canada&#39;. And yes, i know that they are Irish...I mean, Scottish...

  • Aug. 9, 2005, 8:14 p.m. CST


    by Saluki

    This is going to be the #1 movie of the year at the worldwide box office. It&#39;ll most likely make around the same cash as CoS, since there is ZERO competition for like, three straight weeks.

  • Aug. 10, 2005, 12:51 a.m. CST

    The Last Horcrux - *SPOLIER*

    by Yn Jouyll

    Dumbledore all but told Harry that he was a Horcrux for Voldemort in CoS, Pg 333: "Voldemort put a bit of himself in me?" Harry said, thunderstruck. "It certainly seems so."

  • Aug. 10, 2005, 1 a.m. CST

    RE: The LAst Horcrux

    by WickedMonster

    Oh Shit! Now that explains everything. But was it done intentionally? Because from what we know so far, Voldy did not know that the curse will backfire on him!!!

  • Aug. 10, 2005, 1:23 a.m. CST

    i loved the gonnies!

    by El Borak

  • Aug. 10, 2005, 2 a.m. CST

    Quentin Tarantino - Half Blood Prince Director

    by Lion Fire

    If Quentin Tarantino directed half blood prince harry potter would be like omgwtfpwndBBQ highest grossing movie of all time.

  • Aug. 10, 2005, 3:40 a.m. CST

    Galatt...You&#39;re the only person

    by Sayhey Kid

    to see the Neville possibility. Every time I bring this up, it&#39;s pointed out as ridiculous. Neville will come into play next book.

  • Aug. 10, 2005, 6:03 a.m. CST

    SPOILER - Harry Horcrux theory

    by Colonel_Blimp

    I hadn&#39;t thought of it before. It&#39;s an intriguing idea, and some plot points support the theory. But: 1)dramatically, it wouldn&#39;t make a lot of sense to kill off Harry in the last book. in a series of 7 books all told completely (except for 3 chapters) from harry&#39;s point of view, with the focus always having been on the development and maturing of harry, what sort of point would JK make by killing him in the final book, even if it is a self sacrifice? I just don&#39;t think that&#39;ll happen. 2) does Voldemort in that case know that his horcrux is inside harry? i don&#39;t think voldemort would be able to make a horcrux without knowing about it. if he knows, why is he trying to kill harry? Why can&#39;t he control harry like he does the snake? In fact, he wasn&#39;t even able to stay inside harry&#39;s head in the end of OotP. 3) It&#39;s sort of lame and anticlimactic. I hope it&#39;s not the case at least. 4) The series is called Harry Potter, not Neville Longbottom.

  • Aug. 10, 2005, 8:25 a.m. CST

    The final Horcrux

    by mjbok1

    I would agree that Harry is the final Horcrux, or at least his scar is. I hope it is him and not his scar. Follow my reasoning here. Someone has to die to create a Horcrux. It could be either of Harry&#39;s parents, or Voldy himself. The thing that saved Harry, and the thing that can destroy Voldy is love. In the end maybe Harry turns his wand on himself and through his love for his friends he takes his life to save theirs (and all other peoples also.)

  • Aug. 10, 2005, 8:30 a.m. CST

    kai the idiot

    by trevorfactor

    1st off I&#39;m pretty sure I was clear about leaving my computer in my posts YESTERDAY, #2 I think you&#39;re full of shit about having seen the SAW2 movie & #3 there are no dumb questions just dumb people - like you. But prove me wrong tell me something about the movie that you didn&#39;t or can&#39;t access from the trailer? the balls in your court bitch what are you gonna do with it? suck it purhaps?

  • Aug. 10, 2005, 8:36 a.m. CST

    oops perhaps

    by trevorfactor

  • Aug. 10, 2005, 9:04 a.m. CST

    if you think Harry is the last horcrux

    by Shigeru

    you are out of your tits. okay say he killed Lily to make the horcrux and place it in Harry. why then did he try to avada kedavra Harry? Why would he immediately try to destroy a part of his own soul? Wouldn&#39;t he just leave? yes Harry and Vold are connected, but not like that.

  • Aug. 10, 2005, 9:16 a.m. CST

    one explanation

    by Colonel_Blimp

    could be that voldemort didn&#39;t mean to make harry into a horcrux, but it happened accidentialy. that would mean that there are 8 horcruxes instead of 7, and harry is the eight - or that voldemort hadn&#39;t made all 7 horcruxes when he killed the potters and that harry is the 7th. Either way is pretty far fetched. I don&#39;t think that&#39;s how it is at all, read my previous post, but its just one of many possible theories.

  • Aug. 10, 2005, 10:58 a.m. CST


    by blackthought

    i&#39;m still far from convinced that snape is still on the "good" side...for some reason i see snape making a play for voldy&#39;s throne...i&#39;d like to see that.

  • Aug. 10, 2005, 11:54 a.m. CST

    More about the Final Horcrux

    by Yn Jouyll

    Sorry all. When I quoted the line where Dumbledore tells Harry that a part of Voldemort is inside Harry, I should have given more of the quote. Dumbledore admits that it must have been unintentional. CoS:333 "Not something he intended to do, I am sure." So my theory is that Voldemort tried to make his last Horcrux using the death of Harry. However, the spell failed when Harry ever so inconsiderately failed to die. So, instead of Harry being the death that turned the object Voldemort carried into a Horcrux, Harry&#39;s mother became the death that turned Harry into the Horcrux.

  • Aug. 10, 2005, 12:14 p.m. CST

    by foreignerbelt

    also Harry would be the 7th since Dumbledore said that Voldemort hadn&#39;t made a 7th yet when Harry killed him the first time. hmmm. well great now we can wait 2.5 years to find out

  • Aug. 10, 2005, 8:35 p.m. CST

    last horcrux

    by Harold The Great

    i didnt wanted to spawn an argument with my theory, but im glad people find it interesting. to avoid confusion: i dont think anybody knows about harry being the last one - voldie just wanted to make the last horcrux out of something that he carried with himself (since he only wanted to use very important deaths for this goal), but the whole thing went wrong. Also im sure as hell, that Neville is involved in the prophecy and handled the way he&#39;s handled for a reason.

  • Aug. 10, 2005, 9:55 p.m. CST

    you know

    by blackthought

    harry could not be a horcrux and that theory goes out the window...too bad books aren&#39;t out monthly like comics...sighs.

  • I don&#39;t think he&#39;s gonna come into play all that much, sad as that is.

  • Aug. 11, 2005, 1:17 p.m. CST


    by blackthought

    was in hbp? i didn&#39;t even notice.

  • Aug. 12, 2005, 10 p.m. CST

    HBP - Spoilers / Discussion

    by TrueLies

    Spoilers follow --> I&#39;m not so sure Dumbledore is really dead because: 1) Snape didn&#39;t kill him on the battlements -- he did the bad-guy spell which levitated AD over the wall and out of sight supposedly to his death, or maybe not. . . (he doesn&#39;t die on screen) 2) At the funeral HP sees Hagrid carrying "wrapped in purple velvet . . . what Harry know to be Dumbledore&#39;s body," or maybe not. . . (we never see his body entombed). My .02

  • Aug. 13, 2005, 11:02 a.m. CST


    by blackthought

    snape did yell the killing curse...come on now.

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