Aug. 8, 2005, 6:43 p.m. CST
Good job, Bean.
Aug. 8, 2005, 6:43 p.m. CST
This is what the series needs.
Aug. 8, 2005, 6:44 p.m. CST
Aug. 8, 2005, 6:45 p.m. CST
Maybe this one will be worth all the hype, fair enough these films aren't aimed at my age group but maybe this is a good sign.
Aug. 8, 2005, 6:46 p.m. CST
by Alex P. Keaton
Aug. 8, 2005, 6:46 p.m. CST
WB isn't afraid of a PG-13 rating, imagine a PG Phoenix O.o
Aug. 8, 2005, 6:48 p.m. CST
There's MUCH more death and dismemberment in that one. That entire sequence at the Ministry is a prolonged "sequence of fantasy violence and frightening images." Very exciting. CONSTANT VIGILANCE!!
Aug. 8, 2005, 6:51 p.m. CST
Here I was thinking the film would be toned down for the kids... now I can't wait to see the TWT, but more importantly the graveyard scene, WHO CARES IF IT'S DAY NOW?
Aug. 8, 2005, 6:53 p.m. CST
by Sir Loin
Actually the PG-13 rating will make for a darker film, indeed...we got the STAR WARS film that wasn't made for 8-year-olds, so it'll be interesting to see what's in this movie. I still think they should go into "dark territory" with the announced CGI SMURFS movie.
Aug. 8, 2005, 7:02 p.m. CST
by I Dunno
Aug. 8, 2005, 7:15 p.m. CST
SECTUMSEMPRA! Maybe Tarantino could direct it.
Aug. 8, 2005, 7:18 p.m. CST
, however, will remain NC-17.
Aug. 8, 2005, 7:18 p.m. CST
Aug. 8, 2005, 7:19 p.m. CST
Great reasoning there, buddy.
Aug. 8, 2005, 7:31 p.m. CST
According to the TV Guide article, there will be "one reference to that 'horrible, ----------ing son of a -------, Voldemort.'" Could we actually get hardcore cursing in a Potter film?
Aug. 8, 2005, 7:32 p.m. CST
that they are not going to dumb it down. I agree with your assessment of Azkaban as the springboard for the rest of the series.
Aug. 8, 2005, 7:36 p.m. CST
by I Hate Movies
Aug. 8, 2005, 7:38 p.m. CST
is an easy R then. The ending was very disturbing, and is sure to have all the kids balling as they leave the theatre. The fun has left the series. It is going towards Steven King themes. No longer kid friendly. I think that's sad.
Aug. 8, 2005, 7:44 p.m. CST
It's an easy pg-13. You can tone it down a bit, and still have it be just as sad. By the way, it's easly the best book in the series, it proves rolwings one for the ages, not just right now. Also, great news about this movie
Aug. 8, 2005, 7:46 p.m. CST
by Gheorghe Zamfir
Though I loved what Cuaron did with the last one, and was dissapointed he wasn't coming back, I actually thought Newell was a great choice to follow up (Into the West is a criminally underrated family film, and c'mon, Donnie Darko!), for a project that started with a guy like Columbus its nice to see they're actually thinking a bit out of the box for directors on the sequels. Was also dissapointed that Williams couldn't return, but I lvoe Patrick Doyle and can't wait to hear what he does here, his work on Henry V and Hamlet is fantastic. Then the teaser looked great, and now we get news that the series may actually be growing up a bit (not that I had a problem with the PG predecessors). Potter is easily a series where those involved could just rest on their laurels and cash in, it's nice that (at least by the sound of it) they're actually putting soe genuine effort into it.
Aug. 8, 2005, 7:49 p.m. CST
hehe Im so dirty....good news bout the movie tho too.
Aug. 8, 2005, 8:02 p.m. CST
I would expect nothing less if they stayed true to the source material.
Aug. 8, 2005, 8:03 p.m. CST
That would be nice to know, m'kay .
Aug. 8, 2005, 8:03 p.m. CST
by Little Beavis
couldn't give a shit less. FUCK HP and FUCK this all the little turd goblin monkey's add to this bitch's bankroll.
Aug. 8, 2005, 8:07 p.m. CST
I'm sure Goblet will be rated PG in Canada like Episode III and Batman Begins. I'm guessing our kids aren't a bunch of pussies and can handle a "darker" theme.
Aug. 8, 2005, 8:08 p.m. CST
This movie would have still gotten a PG. Raising a movies rating because it's "scary" is fucking ridiculous.
Aug. 8, 2005, 8:11 p.m. CST
Absolutely true... the Canadian government still assumes that parents are responsible enough to raise their own kids. Merchant of Venice was rated R in the US (I have no fucking idea why... but on the commentary director Michael Radford suggested that it might have been the vintage frescos in the background)... however, in Canada, Merchant of Venice was given a PG rating. What the FUCK is wrong with this goddamned country?
Aug. 8, 2005, 8:17 p.m. CST
Mike Newell had nothing to do with Donnie Darko. The movie he directed was called Donnie Brasco.
Aug. 8, 2005, 8:17 p.m. CST
I love our rating system. It defines liberal. I think porn is the only thing that warrants our 18A rating.
Aug. 8, 2005, 8:18 p.m. CST
do you mean besides the fact that a bunch of adults with no lives hang out on the Internet and bitch about meaningless things like movie rating systems?
Aug. 8, 2005, 8:24 p.m. CST
People who think there's something wrong with the country because of different movie ratings. That's almost as lame as thinking Canadian kids are somehow capable of handling something "darker" because of a stupid rating, when our kids are busy sneaking into R movies while Canadian pussies are too PC and neutered to break the ratings rules, eh? Considering the postings here, it's mostly virgin adults who whack it to young girls who are gonna see this, anyway, so what are you two whining about? You're as bad as the guy who said an actress in Battlestar Galactic says something about "Canadian women" when the actress is from America. All non-Americans have to constantly compare themselves to the US while we just laugh and sneak into R-rated movies. Now go crash a plane, and do it RIGHT this time, with deaths!
Aug. 8, 2005, 8:38 p.m. CST
by Gheorghe Zamfir
Slip of the tongue.
Aug. 8, 2005, 8:42 p.m. CST
Rowling ripped off Jill Murphy's The Worst Witch series, you dumbasses. Not to mention Neil Gaiman's Timothy Hunter from The Book Of Magic. Plus a bit of Roald Dahl's Witches.
Aug. 8, 2005, 8:55 p.m. CST
by 3 Bag Enema
No, it will be PG in Canada because you're all a bunch of godless heathen devil-worshipping homosexuals and the Harry Potter series are used as training films for the babies you stole from hard-working Americans to continue your socialist New Sodom!!!!
Aug. 8, 2005, 8:55 p.m. CST
Good point Zamfir, not to mention that Harry Potter's image is fucking IDENTICAL to young Watson's look in the Young Sherlock Holmes flick, right down the the glasses, scarf and hair. I honestly don't think there's a non-regurgitated concept in the entire HP series. And yet it's JKR's very own licence to print money. Sigh....
Aug. 8, 2005, 8:58 p.m. CST
by 3 Bag Enema
Plus your leaders are shape-shifting alien lizards.
Aug. 8, 2005, 9:03 p.m. CST
by Darth Philbin
go eat a bag of dicks.
Aug. 8, 2005, 9:12 p.m. CST
There's a whole bunch of stuff that's banned in Canada while it's legal in the USA. Take S&M porn for example. Or hentai anime with "young looking" DRAWN characters. Some guy just went to prison in Canada for importing some COMICS. Yeah, that's the definition of liberal right there.
Aug. 8, 2005, 9:15 p.m. CST
This was the best book IMO. I can't wait to see how they cram all that plot into a two hour movie.
Aug. 8, 2005, 9:23 p.m. CST
AICN would call it the greatest movie ever created and we would see 500 articles about it every day. Whedon fans would cry during the special screening of it and predict that "everyone will be blown away."
Aug. 8, 2005, 9:24 p.m. CST
...are set by provinces not by the country, guys. We also don't have PG 13, we have 14A which is why we get a lot of PG movies. 14A is much more lenient then PG 13 so you almost never see a PG 13 rated movie get a 14A. But you do on occassion see an R become a 14A.
Aug. 8, 2005, 9:28 p.m. CST
by Sayhey Kid
more mature as they should. readers get older and the movies should mature as well. rowling has kids reading (and adults) reading again. the harry "clone" idiot obviously has never read a book in his life.
Aug. 8, 2005, 9:32 p.m. CST
they look at not just the content, but whether it's gratuitous(sp). Unlike in America where you say fuck 3 times or show a kick to the head and it's an automatic R. A movie like Saving Private Ryan got a 13 rating while a movie like Haute Tension would get a 16.
Aug. 8, 2005, 9:37 p.m. CST
Just to had how great the Canadian rating system is - Steamboy was given a G rating by the Canadian Home Video rating system. In the US - a PG-13 rating. How the hell is there such a difference??
Aug. 8, 2005, 9:44 p.m. CST
...Or at least Quebec, which is probably the most lenient place in the world when it comes to ratings.
Aug. 8, 2005, 9:45 p.m. CST
Remember, all o yall can repent of Harry Pottah now and accept Jesus Christ as ya own personal lawd and saviah!
Aug. 8, 2005, 9:46 p.m. CST
Aug. 8, 2005, 9:54 p.m. CST
Sectum Sempra. Will we see it?
Aug. 8, 2005, 9:55 p.m. CST
by Gheorghe Zamfir
I'm very much against that, we need to take efforts to preserve Canada much more seriously, it is after all, America's largest national park.
Aug. 8, 2005, 9:57 p.m. CST
Aug. 8, 2005, 10 p.m. CST
Let me go get my chunk action figure and stick it up my rectum while thinking of dumbledore...sometimes i wonder is this site is created by an overweight fat toddler man
Aug. 8, 2005, 10:17 p.m. CST
Aug. 8, 2005, 10:38 p.m. CST
next time you think to yourself "ooh, I'm gonna be so clever and sarcastic," check your spelling n' grammar. "Gonnies"? "is this site is"? Nothing like coming across as a dumbass while you're trying to accuse Harry of coming across as a dumbass. PS: "Gonnies"???
Aug. 8, 2005, 10:47 p.m. CST
Well, I'm sure it would to people who didn't read the books, but for those who did? I mean come on. PoA flexed the PG to its limits, stretch marks and all, and GoF makes PoA look like Bambi (then again, OotP makes GoF look like Bambi too). There's no way they could keep GoF PG without royally fucking up the source material, and there's no way the studio could get away with that one.
Aug. 8, 2005, 11:06 p.m. CST
by Liberty Valance
Help me out, I got a D in British Slang. If I'm right, we can be sure of two things: HP and the Half-Blood Prince will be NC-17, and Ginny Weasley is a total fucking cockwhore.
Aug. 8, 2005, 11:13 p.m. CST
by Sayhey Kid
I agree. I think the ending of this book changes the tone of the entire series. If you've read the series, you know the exact moment it goes from a children's fantasy series, to a more mature young adult series. I would hope they would capture this in the film version. PG 13 is the way to go. (The following won't be R though...that's ridiculous). And we'll see Sectum Sempra...how graphic it will be is the question.
Aug. 8, 2005, 11:32 p.m. CST
and a couple of F-bombs. Woman in Red or Dreamscape. Shoot, even gremlins because of the sheer gore factor. A movie should never get PG 13 just for scariness. And a movie should never get an R unless there are boobies. In fact, if a movie gets an R rating, they should go back and do reshoots and ADD some boob shots. Otherwise, how do I know which movies to see?
Aug. 8, 2005, 11:59 p.m. CST
by Bob of the Shire
I highly doubt they'll risk a R-rated Harry Potter, but I can see a hard PG-13.
Aug. 9, 2005, 12:05 a.m. CST
Aug. 9, 2005, 12:19 a.m. CST
I'm glad about the rating too. I cannot wait to see this movie too, and nothing so far has made me fear for it. So here's hoping the news continues to be good. I think Ralph is going to be amazing as Voldemort and the kids, with all their teenage trials and tribulations, are going to be great too. Isn't this great? Isn't it nice to look forward to something? LOL. Anyway, I think things are looking awesome for this "Harry Potter". The teaser was enchanting. :)
Aug. 9, 2005, 12:30 a.m. CST
Who gives a fat shit if Harry Potter is rated pg13? The whole thing weirds me out because all they showed on tv three weeks ago when the book was coming out was a bunch of grade school age children in witch costumes having lightning bolts painted on there faces at Barnes and Nobles.How does that have anything to do with adults reading the fucking books? Like i say what ever floats your boat...if your 26 and you read Harry Potter,all i can tell ya is keep on trucking,cause i'll be out fucking,grown women with big ass titties.3 Bag Enema's post is better than mine you if want to get pissed at somebody.
I cant decide whether or not I liked Half-Blood Prince. someone needs to tell me what I think.
Aug. 9, 2005, 12:57 a.m. CST
no, foreigner, you didn't like it, neither did I. It seemed rushed, poorly written, too much talking, not enough action. Not to mention the horrifying ending. NOT a kids book. Why didn't Dumbledore just pour the poison on the ground if he could scoop it out? Drink it? Dumb.
Aug. 9, 2005, 1:31 a.m. CST
The Harry Potter books started as books for kids, but it has always been intended, that with every year, in which Harry and his friends get older, the readers should grow up in the same way. Which means: Book 1 is for 11 year old kids, #2 for 12 year olds, and #7 will be... Unfortunately the kids like it so much that it doesn't got the right credibility for many older readers.
Aug. 9, 2005, 1:39 a.m. CST
How about Paul Verhoeven or David Cronenberg as director for part 7?
Aug. 9, 2005, 2:11 a.m. CST
Well, it is actually a marketing scheme to create fake buzz about the movie. AICN is actually directly involved in this scheme... this is based on the fact that the studio paid the site owners off with gifts and hookers. Every word is true.
Aug. 9, 2005, 2:22 a.m. CST
http://tinyurl.com/88y7q ---- http://tinyurl.com/c7b6e
Aug. 9, 2005, 2:22 a.m. CST
Oops! My mistake.
Aug. 9, 2005, 2:48 a.m. CST
And feel free to poke fun at Canada right up to the point when you completely run out of friends and fresh water. Good luck dicks.
Aug. 9, 2005, 3:10 a.m. CST
Your main gripe with HBP seems to be with its tone. If you absolutely, positively have to have a happy ending in a book, then nothing else is going to make you like it. As for the poison-drinking, (SEMI-SPOILERS:) it was part of the sinister spell employed to guard the seeming horcrux. If he hadn't drunk it, the "grail" would have kept refilling itself, much like Harry's goblet kept emptying itself of the enchanted water before he could give it to the parched Dumbledore, forcing him to fetch water from the lake instead and thus awaken its soggy denizens. I didn't find HBP poorly-written at all, and the series is indeed going from strength to strength. The amount of action in HBP is less than in its immediate predecessor, but I distinctly get the impression that it's the calm before the final storm. The purpose of HBP is, to a great extent, to fill us in on all the proper background information we'll need in order to fully enjoy the apocalyptic finale. The ending in HBP is utterly horrifying (although I have a suspicion all may not be what it seems), and shows that all bets are definitely off before the final show-down. From here on out it's going to be VERY intense, I'd expect, and I, for one, can't wait.
Aug. 9, 2005, 3:15 a.m. CST
by KID AB
Anand Tucker to direct best fantasy trilogy ever!! His Dark Materials (Well IMO it's better than LOTR, which I felt was too long) Besides anyone who can direct a decent (From what I'm hearing) Steve Martin Movie, Shopgirl, has to be decent. Even if it does have a sex scene between the Jerk and Claire Danes. After writing that sentence I'm now going to have a steaming hot bath to get rid of that image.
Aug. 9, 2005, 3:20 a.m. CST
That should of course be "poorly written" and not "poorly-written". No, the irony was not lost on me.
Aug. 9, 2005, 3:56 a.m. CST
"Did you cry?"
Aug. 9, 2005, 3:58 a.m. CST
Everyones bitching about about Rowling ripping people off but no one minds when Tarantino does it...constantly. Shes writing fantasy novels with witches and wizards. Its like writing a vampire novel and being accused of ripping off Bram Stoker. Its the accepted lore of witches and wizards that all those works were based on. Rowlings only problem is that she thinks she created it all.
Aug. 9, 2005, 4:03 a.m. CST
Then you probably didn't get your opinion from the Internet.
Aug. 9, 2005, 4:05 a.m. CST
by the M'hael
most everything can be seen as a rip off. either writers take inspiration from historical events, or from other works of literature. everything from star wars to the matrix, it's all been influenced or ripped off from somewhere. even the lotr has it's basis in reality. complaining that something is a rip off is only valid if it's brought nothing new along with it. no matter how much you want to argue that harry potter isn't anything new, it's just not true. and i'm not even a fan. i guess the only way you could truly call something else a rip off is if you yourself have created something entirely new and origional. so, from here on out, all the haters have to post links to sites that have their own work up, so we can compare a judge ourselves.
Aug. 9, 2005, 5:16 a.m. CST
When will it be rated? 3 months to go... Does this rating also mean it is finished, and the trailer will be out soon?
Aug. 9, 2005, 5:46 a.m. CST
It's not that the Canadian kids aren't big time pussies -- they are. It's just that the rating board figured the numbers would confuse them. We've all seen Tom Green. ------------ PG-13 sounds fine. I'm more worried about them cutting it down to the bare plot for the runtime. The details make it worthwile.
Aug. 9, 2005, 5:54 a.m. CST
by Mr. Profit
In the US it wasn't aired. So Canada is somewhat liberal. In the US shows always cop out when it comes to a lead character on a TV show getting an abortion. Some shows dont even mention the word.
Aug. 9, 2005, 6:02 a.m. CST
but it's way too fucking cold to live up there.
Aug. 9, 2005, 6:06 a.m. CST
well..i think in this case devin over at chud gets to the core of this information. quint, you're simply overreacting
Aug. 9, 2005, 6:44 a.m. CST
We need someone worthy of Harry Potter. The one who plays now doesn't look the part, and doesn't act the part. Unless something extraordinary happens due to the magic of puberty. Always thought she was sort of poorly characterized in the novels too, though. Maybe the problem will solve itself, as I fear the franchise might die with the OotP - the least blockbusterish (ie all character, no coherent plot) of all the novels. Or are they going to make all seven no matter what? How about a spinoff movie with Hermione?
Aug. 9, 2005, 6:56 a.m. CST
Gee. I wonder if anyone will offer any suggestions for a plot ? Christ - it's like throwing a steak to starving Dobermans.
Aug. 9, 2005, 7:29 a.m. CST
In TOS, one of the twins had an abortion (Heather, I think)...they showed that in the US...it's more the network it airs on than the country; TOS was on PBS, TNG is on Noggin, which freakin' edits Daria episodes (which, of course, were shown unedited in the US on MTV)
Aug. 9, 2005, 8:44 a.m. CST
Death to the family movie! Down with saccarine nonsense! Death to the 15's action movie (I'm in Ireland). Hooray for: Wormtail hacking off his own hand. Harry getting cut up with kives. Harry being horribly tortured with the Crucius Curse. Cedric getting whacked (no looking away) Voldemort's hideous aborted foetus avatar. And his terrifying flat white face/red slitted eyes/ cackling high-pitched Nazi voice. Christmas without LOTR is still looking good.
Aug. 9, 2005, 9:10 a.m. CST
"I...pardon you..." Beautiful.
Aug. 9, 2005, 9:12 a.m. CST
I really can't wait for this now, can't say it enough.
Aug. 9, 2005, 9:18 a.m. CST
by Kentucky Colonel
Hubba-Hubba! She's one fine redheaded lass!!
Aug. 9, 2005, 9:51 a.m. CST
After PoA, I'm really really sad that they aren't still using John Williams for the music. He proved with PoA that he actually COULD write some new and great themes for the series and not just repeat the main HP theme on an endless loop. Assuming that they are going to try and darken/mature the mood of the music, I trust that does not mean dumping the HP themes we've heard so far. I don't believe you should not notice a movie score, and I fear that ass-clown school of thought will be taking over. Patrick Doyle has done some good music, but nothing truly great, so I hope he'll surprise me like Howard Shore did with Lord of the Rings.
Aug. 9, 2005, 9:53 a.m. CST
If a certain person in HBP really was completely wrong about another certain person, and went out like a simpering little bitch, when he was the most infallible character in the whole series......well, then I am driving off a bridge or something. JK CAN'T be that bitter....can she?? That said, Ginny Weasley IS a bit of a cockwhore, and Takashi Miike needs to direct the sectum sempra scene. And the end of HBP with Ginny & Harry? Totally Spider-Man!
Aug. 9, 2005, 9:59 a.m. CST
come on kids, ride with us on our flaming bus into heck.
Aug. 9, 2005, 10 a.m. CST
http://tinyurl.com/7kxov. That's all I have to say.
Aug. 9, 2005, 10:11 a.m. CST
SPOILERS: I loved the part with the house of gaunt/riddle in HBP. Such a creepy inbred deliverance-ish mood. That's a cool thought, that fullblood magical families inbred to keep the bloodline pure. I read recently that hitler's ancestors were inbred too, that his grandparents were actually siblings or something. Life imitating art. What you guys think we have in store for book 7? I'm pretty sure harry will return to hogwarts even though he said he wouldnt. Also, I think snape's actually a good guy, he only had to kill dumbledore so he would become voldies most trusted servant, so that he can give harry information on the remaining horcruxes or something like that. A big issue in book 7 will be harry forcing himself to trust snape. proof that snape is good: why else did he notify the OotP in the end of book 5? Nobody would have known if he didn't, and then harry would have been dead and the prophecy in the hands of Voldemort. Also, i don't think dumbledore will return in 7, except maybe indirectly through letters or a pensieve or something. and he'll get back together with ginny in the end. my two cents at least.
Aug. 9, 2005, 10:14 a.m. CST
I think the problem with Harry Potter is the lack of a sense of wonderment about the films. They seem like a series of pictures being made solely for profit. These pictures will not be regarded as classics 20 years down the line, Stone and Chamber were average kiddie flicks. Rowling was right, they should have got Gilliam to do them. That would have been interesting. Never mind, new Jim Cameron movie soon! Kids, wait til you wrap your eyeballs around Battle Angel!! Go Jim!!!
Aug. 9, 2005, 10:15 a.m. CST
Aug. 9, 2005, 10:19 a.m. CST
Not dumbledore. But you probably understood that. I'm going to have a lie down now.
Aug. 9, 2005, 10:41 a.m. CST
The problem with those people who argue that Harry Potter is a ripoff Tim Hunter is that both wizards ar predated by Luke Kirby a dark haired boy wizard from the pages of Britain's 2000AD comic. Tim Hunter first appeared in DC Vertigo's comic Books of Magic in 1990, while Luke Kirby appeared in the 2000AD story Summer Magic in 1988. So Tim Hunter is hardly original himself. There is also the character Ponder Stibbons (a dark haired wizard with glasses)who appeared in the Terry Pratchett Discworld novel Moving Pictures in 1990. Oh and what about Presto in the old Dungeons and Dragons cartoon? As for magic schools they have been around for at least 45 years (no doubt someone can find an earlier school than me).
Aug. 9, 2005, 10:47 a.m. CST
GILLIAM SHOULD DIRECT ONE OF THESE LIKE JKR WANTED AND HE SHOULD DIRECT SOME PRATCHETT WORK.
Aug. 9, 2005, 10:47 a.m. CST
From reports in the press it seems WB is going to remove the name Marvolo and correct the date of birth on Lord Voldie's father's grave.
Aug. 9, 2005, 10:52 a.m. CST
Time Bandits and MP and the Holy Grail are some of my all time favourite movies. However Gilliam has frequently gone way over budget and would likely want to mess about with movie continuity again so I doubt WB will hire him. On the Gaunt family in HBP I kept on hearing Banjo music when I read the chapter about them.
Aug. 9, 2005, 11:23 a.m. CST
I think that in the end Snape will be good, but it will be...Malfoy that saves Potter and likely gives his life in the process. I think that Dumbledore was already in the process of dying (his dead hand) and much like a magical gangrene (sp) it was slowly eroding his body. The reason he asked for Snape was not to save him, but to kill him. Dumbledore knew that he needed to sacrifice himself, and having Snape finish him off worked better for the long term plans of finishing off Voldemort. I thought HBP was much better than OOTP and I have to admit I was stunned at the end. I half expected there to be a wink, wink at the end showing that Dumbledore was not really dead. Lastly I think there is an outside chance that Snape is actually Harry's dad. Just my thoughts, feel free to ridicule them at will.
Aug. 9, 2005, 11:24 a.m. CST
I am sick of the deliverance refrences, I love banjo music an I'm not inbred...be right back got to go fuck my sister.
Aug. 9, 2005, 11:29 a.m. CST
I personally think Sirius's "exit" in the last book and Dumbledore's "murder" in HBP are part of an elaborate Order of the Phoenix ruse to make Voldemort think he's way ahead of the game. Snape is still very much loyal to the order and must, in a way, carry the heaviest burden of the whole series. Like someone pointed out earlier, Dumbledore has up until now been like a benevolent Fu Manchu, omniscient and by far the most crafty character in the books. His manner of death doesn't sit well with what we know of him so far. Also, Snape didn't actually seriously hurt or kill any others during the escape from Hogwart's, although he had plenty of opportunity. His frustrated and impotent rage at being called a coward by Harry during that escape also indicates the burden of being a double agent. I think that during the final battle, both Sirius and Dumbledore will reemerge at a critical moment to aid Harry during his moment of truth - fuel, if you will, for the magic Dumbledore told him he had and which Voldemort lacked, namely the ability to love. Or, I might just be overly optimistic along the lines of talkbacker Some Dude who fervently claimed Palpatine was Sidious's clone. Either way, the next two years of waiting will be a bitch...
Aug. 9, 2005, 11:30 a.m. CST
I think you are right on with your theories, except for the Snape being Harry's Dad one...not bloody likely. But Lily Potter's reanimated Inferi corpse attacking Harry in book 7?? Hell yes!
Aug. 9, 2005, 11:34 a.m. CST
by Sayhey Kid
as the denouement. That has climax written all over it. The model works for each individual book, but not the entire series.
Aug. 9, 2005, 11:36 a.m. CST
by Sayhey Kid
I agree Snape's still working for the Order, but I don't think Dumbledore or Sirius are alive. Rowling's a better writer than that.
Aug. 9, 2005, 11:43 a.m. CST
Maybe not Harry's dad, but there is definately more to the backstory between James, Lilly, and Snape. What was shown in the pensive in OOTP was just the tip of the iceberg, I think.
Aug. 9, 2005, 11:46 a.m. CST
Snape is going to play a huge role in book 7 (obv.) He has to, and his past with Harry's parents and the Marauders, not to mention how he got to be a death eater, is going to play into everything.
Aug. 9, 2005, 11:50 a.m. CST
it will be some of the most disturbing shit ever in mainstream culture. not to say that's necessarily a bad thing. Anchorite wrote: "Could you imagine the world-wide outcry from the fans if she [JK] decided to pull an Arthur Conan Doyle on us?" I'm not updated on Doyle lore. Can someone fill me in?
Aug. 9, 2005, 12:23 p.m. CST
Aug. 9, 2005, 12:26 p.m. CST
Is the Unbreakable Vow. Snape must have found out about Draco's mission, and told Dumbledore, right? Dumbledore could A. Prevent Draco from killing him, thus dooming him to death via Voldemort's wrath, B. Let Draco kill him and turn to the dark side, or C. work out something with Snape (ie Unbreakable Vow) where Snape kills him instead of Draco, thereby preventing Draco from turning evil. Everyone is going with option C. Now how is Draco Malfoy THAT important that Dumbledore would sacrifice his own life in order to save Draco from turning to the "dark side"?? If Dumbledore was the only one who Voldemort feared, and he knew that they still had a few more horcruxes to find, wouldn't he stick around and help Harry out, considering the sacrifice of Draco to the Death Eaters not so big? What did Dumbledore know about Draco that was so important?? Hmmm. AND another thing!: Can Harry talk to the portrait Dumbledore?? Why can't they just converse that way and share theories about locations of horcruxes, ect.? Will Portrait Dumbledore retain all his memories of when he was alive?
Aug. 9, 2005, 12:28 p.m. CST
by Marvin Tikvah
If Serenity had any hope it would have been released May-July or Nov-Dec. But guess what ballsacks its being released with all the other turds in september!!!
Aug. 9, 2005, 12:58 p.m. CST
by BEARison Ford
maybe i'm wrong but i'm pretty sure principal photography is still going on.
Aug. 9, 2005, 12:58 p.m. CST
I've liked Michael Gambon in other things but he isn't Dumbledore. He isn't tall enough for a start. In Prisoner of Azkaban Daniel Radcliffe was nearly as tall as him. Also, he doesn't have that mysterious wizard quality that I think was required for Dumbledore. As much as it would screw up the series more, I would like someone else to play Dumbledore in 5 & 6. Speaking of book 6, if done as a straight adaptation it'll be the worst movie easily. There's a lot less action than in the other books, and there are many flashbacks to Voldemort's past when he isn't even in the book proper, so I don't know how they'd handle that. All the Volde flashbacks and then he doesn't turn up at the end? I could see the director cutting most of it as there's no payoff. The romance element will probably be greatly enhanced also. The fact is, nothing much happens in Half-Blood Prince, it's more build-up to the last book. Maybe they could shoot films 6 & 7 back to back, with Cuaron directing. I'm thinking that would be best, as who wants to wait the years for the last movie?
Aug. 9, 2005, 1 p.m. CST
does that make it a turd also? because I'm actually looking forward to it. Also super siked about the pg-13 rating nice one director or producer or whoever the hell came up with that idea - geniuse this will make the minors want to see it even more. But what the hell is that smell? It reeks in here of BO or something I can't quit put my finger on it but man something about this talk back stinks to high heaven. God what is that smell?
Aug. 9, 2005, 1:11 p.m. CST
by Barry Egan
I think that what fans of the books are happy about is that the filmmakers haven't watered the book down to get the PG rating. The book is dark and keeping true to the spirit of the book demands to keep it dark. HBP is really dark.
Aug. 9, 2005, 2:12 p.m. CST
Gilliam has frequently gone over budget? No, no - that's not true. Muncahusen went over budget due to thomas Schuhly, the producer. Jesus - what has Gilliam done to get this rep? As for this Potter film being "too dark" for a PG - what, the MPAA are using a light meter to determine their ratings now are they? Dark? Dark? What the hell do you mean "dark"? Dark is one of those adjectives - like 'mature' that seems instantly adolescent the second it leaves somebody's mouth. Say what you mean! Do you mean "threatening" or "distressing" or "violent"? What is this "Dark" business?
Aug. 9, 2005, 2:22 p.m. CST
contemplating the meaning of life (if there is one) and the complexities of interpretable emotional variables one can't help but feel lost. Ow sorry about that I'm having a bad hair day I think. I know it's true because I feel like JKR is a cunt and needs to be told so. What the hell is wrong with me today? Maybe it's (SPOILER) the fact that she creates & kills favorite characters and prays on shock value (bitch), but I gotta tell you I watched mind of mencia last night and made it half way thru daily show afterward but even though I laughed at the stupid mexican guy beating barney up with the bat I don't see how this has anything to do with this talk back, ow shut up I was here first, piss off, no you piss off <bang> fuck I'm dead
Aug. 9, 2005, 2:24 p.m. CST
if so just come on over to my office and just punch me in the face, I'd actually prefer that then to think the 1 movie I'm looking forward too actually sucks. Did you see it or are you just talking out of your ass?
I got the feeling that Snape was Dumbledore's kid. it is the only thing I can think of to generate Dumbledore's implicit trust. I dont know.
Aug. 9, 2005, 2:41 p.m. CST
I think there's a mystery afoot behind Dumbledore's trust in Snape...another Unbreakable Vow, perhaps? Speaking of Unbreakable Vows, do they ever describe what kind of death they bring to a person? What if it's a slow, gangrenous (sp?) death, starting with the hand used to bind the vow? In other words...did Dumbledore make an Unbreakable Vow, then break it, leading to his withering hand and impending death? If he knew he was going to die anyway, he could convince Snape to finish him off to maintain an illusion of loyalty to Voldy.
Aug. 9, 2005, 2:51 p.m. CST
1st the bad word on Saw2 now dana reeve's (wife of christopher) has lung cancer? what the fuck? That's it I'm going home, this day has sucked me dry. screw work screw everything I'm gonna go get drunk
Aug. 9, 2005, 2:54 p.m. CST
I think this will actually be a jump-the-shark moment for the survival of HP series on film. I don't really care about what they do with it even though it would be the hardest book to adapt because of its purely character driven plots. What I am looking forward to is the moments of Umbridge, the final day of the Weasley Twins and the Battle at the ministry. Thats it. That should make up the whole movie.
Aug. 9, 2005, 3:04 p.m. CST
Sirius's death was forshadowed in PoA when his soul was about to be sucked out of him by those black hooded thingies. When I first read of Dumbledore having that burnt hand in the initial chapters of HBP, immediately i got the impression that things wont end well with him in this book or the next. I already sensed a weakness in him at that point, and I was ready to accept his final demise. I bet thats what happened to most people who read the book. Rowling's forbodings are usually quite out there. Besides, Dumbledore needed to get out of the way because its the only way Harry could finish this alone. Its his battle, and no one elses. If Dumbledore would be alive, then readers would be expecting him to take action and not Harry. Whoa, that was long...
Aug. 9, 2005, 3:11 p.m. CST
by Harold The Great
Pretty sure Harry became Voldemorts last chorux, when he faced voldemort as a baby. he has a part of his soul in him (that`s why they stated in the book that creatures can become choruxes, and that`s why they have a connection) so he has to die to destroy voldie. the prophecy is about Neville. (there`s no other point in introducing this possibility).
Aug. 9, 2005, 3:17 p.m. CST
Somebody has to die in order to create a horcrux. Who died in order to create the one inside of harry? Mum and Dad? No.
Aug. 9, 2005, 3:47 p.m. CST
JK has acknowledged or denied all your "clone" references. Harry looks so much like Tim Hunter it's ridiculous - but she had no knowledge of Tim Hunter. Great minds think alike I guess. And she has PURPOSELY copped huge amounts of the HP mythology from other sources. What makes her brilliant is that she makes you BELIEVE, while reading, that it's all her own. It's called, I believe, good writing. There are whole books, endorsed by Rowling, explaining the HP mythologies. Ya'll need to find something new to complain about.
Aug. 9, 2005, 7:11 p.m. CST
It gave us the 'Boards of Canada'. And yes, i know that they are Irish...I mean, Scottish...
Aug. 9, 2005, 8:14 p.m. CST
This is going to be the #1 movie of the year at the worldwide box office. It'll most likely make around the same cash as CoS, since there is ZERO competition for like, three straight weeks.
Aug. 10, 2005, 12:51 a.m. CST
by Yn Jouyll
Dumbledore all but told Harry that he was a Horcrux for Voldemort in CoS, Pg 333: "Voldemort put a bit of himself in me?" Harry said, thunderstruck. "It certainly seems so."
Aug. 10, 2005, 1 a.m. CST
Oh Shit! Now that explains everything. But was it done intentionally? Because from what we know so far, Voldy did not know that the curse will backfire on him!!!
Aug. 10, 2005, 1:23 a.m. CST
by El Borak
Aug. 10, 2005, 2 a.m. CST
by Lion Fire
If Quentin Tarantino directed half blood prince harry potter would be like omgwtfpwndBBQ highest grossing movie of all time.
Aug. 10, 2005, 3:40 a.m. CST
by Sayhey Kid
to see the Neville possibility. Every time I bring this up, it's pointed out as ridiculous. Neville will come into play next book.
Aug. 10, 2005, 6:03 a.m. CST
I hadn't thought of it before. It's an intriguing idea, and some plot points support the theory. But: 1)dramatically, it wouldn't make a lot of sense to kill off Harry in the last book. in a series of 7 books all told completely (except for 3 chapters) from harry's point of view, with the focus always having been on the development and maturing of harry, what sort of point would JK make by killing him in the final book, even if it is a self sacrifice? I just don't think that'll happen. 2) does Voldemort in that case know that his horcrux is inside harry? i don't think voldemort would be able to make a horcrux without knowing about it. if he knows, why is he trying to kill harry? Why can't he control harry like he does the snake? In fact, he wasn't even able to stay inside harry's head in the end of OotP. 3) It's sort of lame and anticlimactic. I hope it's not the case at least. 4) The series is called Harry Potter, not Neville Longbottom.
Aug. 10, 2005, 8:25 a.m. CST
I would agree that Harry is the final Horcrux, or at least his scar is. I hope it is him and not his scar. Follow my reasoning here. Someone has to die to create a Horcrux. It could be either of Harry's parents, or Voldy himself. The thing that saved Harry, and the thing that can destroy Voldy is love. In the end maybe Harry turns his wand on himself and through his love for his friends he takes his life to save theirs (and all other peoples also.)
Aug. 10, 2005, 8:30 a.m. CST
1st off I'm pretty sure I was clear about leaving my computer in my posts YESTERDAY, #2 I think you're full of shit about having seen the SAW2 movie & #3 there are no dumb questions just dumb people - like you. But prove me wrong tell me something about the movie that you didn't or can't access from the trailer? the balls in your court bitch what are you gonna do with it? suck it purhaps?
Aug. 10, 2005, 8:36 a.m. CST
Aug. 10, 2005, 9:04 a.m. CST
you are out of your tits. okay say he killed Lily to make the horcrux and place it in Harry. why then did he try to avada kedavra Harry? Why would he immediately try to destroy a part of his own soul? Wouldn't he just leave? yes Harry and Vold are connected, but not like that.
Aug. 10, 2005, 9:16 a.m. CST
could be that voldemort didn't mean to make harry into a horcrux, but it happened accidentialy. that would mean that there are 8 horcruxes instead of 7, and harry is the eight - or that voldemort hadn't made all 7 horcruxes when he killed the potters and that harry is the 7th. Either way is pretty far fetched. I don't think that's how it is at all, read my previous post, but its just one of many possible theories.
Aug. 10, 2005, 10:58 a.m. CST
i'm still far from convinced that snape is still on the "good" side...for some reason i see snape making a play for voldy's throne...i'd like to see that.
Aug. 10, 2005, 11:54 a.m. CST
by Yn Jouyll
Sorry all. When I quoted the line where Dumbledore tells Harry that a part of Voldemort is inside Harry, I should have given more of the quote. Dumbledore admits that it must have been unintentional. CoS:333 "Not something he intended to do, I am sure." So my theory is that Voldemort tried to make his last Horcrux using the death of Harry. However, the spell failed when Harry ever so inconsiderately failed to die. So, instead of Harry being the death that turned the object Voldemort carried into a Horcrux, Harry's mother became the death that turned Harry into the Horcrux.
also Harry would be the 7th since Dumbledore said that Voldemort hadn't made a 7th yet when Harry killed him the first time. hmmm. well great now we can wait 2.5 years to find out
Aug. 10, 2005, 8:35 p.m. CST
by Harold The Great
i didnt wanted to spawn an argument with my theory, but im glad people find it interesting. to avoid confusion: i dont think anybody knows about harry being the last one - voldie just wanted to make the last horcrux out of something that he carried with himself (since he only wanted to use very important deaths for this goal), but the whole thing went wrong. Also im sure as hell, that Neville is involved in the prophecy and handled the way he's handled for a reason.
Aug. 10, 2005, 9:55 p.m. CST
harry could not be a horcrux and that theory goes out the window...too bad books aren't out monthly like comics...sighs.
Aug. 11, 2005, 8:45 a.m. CST
I don't think he's gonna come into play all that much, sad as that is.
Aug. 11, 2005, 1:17 p.m. CST
was in hbp? i didn't even notice.
Aug. 12, 2005, 10 p.m. CST
Spoilers follow --> I'm not so sure Dumbledore is really dead because: 1) Snape didn't kill him on the battlements -- he did the bad-guy spell which levitated AD over the wall and out of sight supposedly to his death, or maybe not. . . (he doesn't die on screen) 2) At the funeral HP sees Hagrid carrying "wrapped in purple velvet . . . what Harry know to be Dumbledore's body," or maybe not. . . (we never see his body entombed). My .02
Aug. 13, 2005, 11:02 a.m. CST
snape did yell the killing curse...come on now.
Dec. 13, 2009, 1:15 p.m. CST