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Published at:  Aug 03, 2005 4:57:12 PM CDT

Well I don't either - but after spending about 15 minutes staring at THE FOUNTAIN website - I began to see people tormented in the flames of damnation, and then... I swore I saw Moriarty cackling whilst seeing the screaming masses burn... but... but... that couldn't be. THE FOUNTAIN website has the most disturbingly benign tranquil image of impressionistic rage/passion... either that or it's just randomly swirling "hot" colors with no residual meaning other than to furl your brow and ponder like Mongo on the way of life. They've also got a screensaver - that is essentially well... you'll see. Ya gotta love Darren Aronofsky - he certainly doesn't go down the well tread path of sameness.




FountainMovie.Com



A really cool looking screensaver showing what looks to be an example
of Peter Parks' chemical reactions photography they are going to use
in place of CGI. Hopefully we'll get the trailer soon too.



Dr. Stat



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  • Aug 03, 2005 5:06:06 PM CDT

    pretty neat

    by exterminans

    I may just download that screensaver.

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  • Aug 03, 2005 5:06:11 PM CDT

    Not First

    by scott stapp

  • Aug 03, 2005 5:10:48 PM CDT

    Lord of the Rings is better than Star Wars!

    by crackerfarmboy

    So what the hell is this film about anyway?

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  • Aug 03, 2005 5:14:45 PM CDT

    OT: What happened to Dark Horizons?

    by moonraper

    Seriously. It's been down for like two weeks.

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  • Aug 03, 2005 5:52:11 PM CDT

    Still have half an 8th left..

    by bean_

    Gonna smoke and watch this!

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  • Aug 03, 2005 6:03:30 PM CDT

    You don't have to be high.

    by reze11even

    Just stare at it for about an hour. It will freak you out more than The Decent.

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  • Aug 03, 2005 6:08:02 PM CDT

    and to think I was looking for this site today...

    by russman

    and here it is.. I can't wait for this movie. I wish the comming attractions website was still up to provide more info about this... Yahoo's Greg's Previews isn't very good.

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  • Aug 03, 2005 6:10:36 PM CDT

    Moonraper: DH is up. The RSS is down.

    by mrfloppy

  • Aug 03, 2005 6:13:59 PM CDT

    seriously ive been waiting for this film since before i knew wha

    by s0nicdeathmonkey

    since the first time i read requiem for a dream and found out indie kid autuer had the guts to film it. then i found out he was the same guy who did PI, which was a huge mind fuck. i saw Requiem and it was even better than i hoped for, and i couldnt wait for mr. aronofsky's new film. and here it is almost. i cant wait.

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  • Aug 03, 2005 6:26:31 PM CDT

    My most anticipated movie for the next three years

    by rindain

    Nothing approaches THE FOUNTAIN in terms of anticipation, save perhaps Cameron's next project (Battle Angel/Project 880).

    It seems like Aronofsky is the only writer/directer who embraces (rather than spurns) intellectual material, but also has the raw filmmaking talent to turn his ideas into kinetic, powerful films.

    I can't wait.

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  • Aug 03, 2005 6:28:38 PM CDT

    HAHA

    by burlivesleftnut

    I saw a penis! It's like some kind of crazy pandora's box!

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  • Aug 03, 2005 6:28:45 PM CDT

    it's annoying that the WB website has no info...

    by russman

    HSX shows no release date, Yahoo movies is pretty much clueless. But then I found this... cut and paste if you care... http://movies.about.com/od/ thefountain/a/ fountain072205.htm

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  • Aug 03, 2005 6:34:51 PM CDT

    I Love Drugs

    by zombiesolutions

    and, apparently, they love me.

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  • Aug 03, 2005 6:46:18 PM CDT

    Did'nt need the drugs...

    by scaredcrab

    I sat and watched it.....
    Now, like after watching all Aronosky
    movies, I need fucking therapy.

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  • Aug 03, 2005 6:46:53 PM CDT

    awesome.

    by jimmy_009

    Don't know what it is, but i'll watch anything Aronofsky does. Can't wait.

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  • Aug 03, 2005 6:53:09 PM CDT

    Suck?

    by slim_goodbody

    I hope this film will be as good as when Cartman ate that guy's parents in the chili-eating contest. Is anything worth seeing if it doesn't meet this newly created Cartman-Chili Standard? (

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  • Aug 03, 2005 7:11:09 PM CDT

    Did anyone download the screensaver? What's it show?

    by russman

    I'm on a MAC at home and of course the screensaver is only for the PC.

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  • Aug 03, 2005 7:19:39 PM CDT

    This Stinks!!

    by wickedmonster

    WTF?,,,,Oh yeah. I took LSD. This is supposed to be pink!!!

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  • Aug 03, 2005 8:29:31 PM CDT

    Well.......

    by -(hewho)-

    I am both pissed and stoned and that site has nearly sent me under. Whatever they are trying to do its worked. I am officially interested. Interested and mentally battered.

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  • Aug 03, 2005 8:39:50 PM CDT

    Interesting...

    by the cosh

    Well, the film definitely sounds like it's going to be worth watching, but I really can't see the point in getting a full-on robot chubby just because somebody's seen Solaris and tried to recreate it in Flash.

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  • Aug 03, 2005 9:02:35 PM CDT

    screensaver

    by koyaanisqatsi

    i've got a Mac, Russman, and the screensaver works just fine. maybe all the colors have pushed you into an alternate reality where the screensaver doesn't work on your computer

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  • Aug 03, 2005 9:03:00 PM CDT

    mmmmm molten MAG-MAH

    by buster gonads

  • Aug 03, 2005 9:25:46 PM CDT

    The Fountain Pen

    by bannedontherun

  • Aug 03, 2005 10:13:46 PM CDT

    no subject

    by joeypogi

    it's a schooner!

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  • Aug 03, 2005 10:14:52 PM CDT

    silent hill anyone?

    by capitol f

  • Aug 03, 2005 10:31:22 PM CDT

    Sorry, drugs are for people who take drugs.

    by stlfilmwire

    Ice digit bee knot camera. Taste the flat?

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  • Aug 03, 2005 10:44:33 PM CDT

    okie dokie

    by cynibun

    and this is fascinating how? From a female perspective, I cannot share on a open forum what that reminded me of.

    I hope the movie has absolutely nothing to do with whatever it was.

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  • Aug 03, 2005 10:52:24 PM CDT

    period?

    by el borak

  • Aug 03, 2005 11:46:45 PM CDT

    hmmm, I'm seeing Devil's Rejects again.

    by bulldoggie

    as far as this shit goes . . . whatever.

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  • Aug 04, 2005 1:20:00 AM CDT

    Stupid.

    by cherrycola

    what the fuck am I supposed to be looking at?? I like art however this .....is just pretentious pig-shit. Stupid.

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  • Aug 04, 2005 1:55:26 AM CDT

    Was that the trailer for Being Keith Richards?

    by bill fairbanks

  • Aug 04, 2005 2:12:12 AM CDT

    Oh, man. I just realized something...

    by wickedmonster

    Its exactly what the movie is supposed to be about...I knew there was something screwy about that image. ITS SUPPOSED TO BE PINKISH or BLOODY!!! The Fountain...ah, what an allegorical term for a something that happens in that time of the month. Orright. I m done being Juvenile... Oh and 43rd....BITCHES!!!!

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  • Aug 04, 2005 2:12:54 AM CDT

    Well, that certainly was some crazy crap

    by spumpkin

    I really like Aronofsky's films, but I see no reason to watch them more than once. Far too emotionally taxing. Not to mention that the man is singularly responsible for my horrible and debilitating fridge phobia. I can only eat canned goods now you bastard.

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  • Aug 04, 2005 4:01:43 AM CDT

    Whoa, man.

    by dr_dreadlocks

    "Since when did space look like the inside of my fucking head? Groovy."

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  • Aug 04, 2005 6:13:39 AM CDT

    It could be a close up of the suns surface

    by itsputsthelotion

    Like the front cover to Kyuss's Blues for the red sun.
    Other than that it works well as a screensaver.

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  • Aug 04, 2005 6:22:58 AM CDT

    It looks like a moving Pizza Bolognese...

    by derlanghaarige

  • Aug 04, 2005 6:36:16 AM CDT

    Naaa

    by evil chicken

    ...Jell-o pudding and Hawaean Punch - no doubt.

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  • Aug 04, 2005 6:45:07 AM CDT

    Wow, not like I've seen a thousand versions of that before..

    by jackburton

    How strikingly original and not at all boring and pointless.

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  • Aug 04, 2005 6:47:18 AM CDT

    T4

    by cyanide christ

    I kept expecting to see a giant metal skull materialize from the flames with a voice-over from Sara Conner, "So we had to send him back...again."

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  • Aug 04, 2005 7:15:04 AM CDT

    Could be the meaning of life...

    by derlanghaarige

  • -Doc Thompson.....We need a new 12 Monkeys, this may be it.

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  • Aug 04, 2005 7:40:34 AM CDT

    Yeah, you've seen it before

    by dannyocean01

    But this isn't CGI, it's a lot more organic and ridiculously cheaper. That's the point.

    To be quite frank, I can see this capturing the various cosmic phenomena 1000 times better than CGI.

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  • Aug 04, 2005 7:48:58 AM CDT

    I understand the purpose.

    by dr_dreadlocks

    But I wonder how exactly they'll utilize the technology. I mean that graphic right there will NOT pass as space. Maybe a "conceptual" space, but nothing legitimately real. Although judging by what I've heard about the "futuristic" part of the film, Aronofsky is certainly dealing with the surreal. But a blue version of that, mixed with black, kind of undulating... That'll certainly be itneresting to see. Aside from that I can't see it working unless there is some definition to it. But I trust in Aronofsky, and I'm really pining for a trailer right now. I want to see where this baby is headed.

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  • Aug 04, 2005 8:09:47 AM CDT

    mmmm... pizza Bolognese....

    by uncooked_meat

    ... genius.

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  • Aug 04, 2005 8:21:48 AM CDT

    I Saw The Fibbonachi Sequence as a Golden Spiral That Runs Throu

    by zombiesolutions

    then i put a drill to my head and had a conversation with a cute little girl in washington square park. there was undergroundish electronic music circa 1998 in it too. the beats, the girls, the jewish stereotypes, and the poor acting. it all added up to Pi. wow. who put my brain on the train platform? new york is too expensive.

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  • Aug 04, 2005 8:29:01 AM CDT

    I agree

    by dannyocean01

    It doesn't really look like space...but does it have to be space?

    I'm not up on cosmology or whatever, but what if that's the heart of a nebula or some such thing? What if that's the heart of Jackman's ball sack on the point of orgasm???

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  • Aug 04, 2005 8:59:45 AM CDT

    It's a shot from the end of the film.

    by rev_skarekroe

    In which Hugh Jackman gets his arm and legs chopped off after refusing to throw the Ring into the lava.

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  • Aug 04, 2005 9:37:56 AM CDT

    Aronofsky

    by gg

  • Aug 04, 2005 9:46:50 AM CDT

    You guys really think this is cool?

    by decypher44

    This is the most boring flash site I've seen. And I'm not trying to be pretentious. I just think it is extremely boring. And what the fuck is the movie about?

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  • Aug 04, 2005 10:40:55 AM CDT

    Warrior-Poet

    by mr. nice gaius

    They did end it like the books, dumbass. And anyone who thinks that the hobbits were gay is...well...gay themselves (talk about being childishly homophobic!). Are you just unable to comprehend the idea of young boys being hurled into a war with the task of destroying the most powerful and dangerous object known having an emotional breakdown from time to time? I submit to you, sir monkeyboy, that you cannot.

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  • Aug 04, 2005 10:43:09 AM CDT

    I saw pee wee herman in it

    by hate_speech

    and he was naked.

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  • Aug 04, 2005 10:46:51 AM CDT

    The reason why we like that site, although it's nothing spec

    by derlanghaarige

    Nobody expected something like this from a website of a Film with Hugh Jackman (Even if it's directed by Aaronofsky!)!! And we got nothing better to do...

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  • Aug 04, 2005 10:52:24 AM CDT

    this looks like my pee when i'm sick

    by fried samurai

    You know when your really sick and cant eat for days except maybe some tea and toast.Your just full of medication and when you look at your pee in the toilet its kinda neon with a cloudy effect.This is one of my most anticipated films of the year though..peace

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  • Aug 04, 2005 11:14:48 AM CDT

    Pretentious

    by scrivener

    It's amazing how quickly people whip that word out when they're exposed to art they don't understand. Why the fuck can't you just appreciate art for arts sake? God it's like film school all over again...

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  • Aug 04, 2005 11:30:34 AM CDT

    ??

    by garcicr

    I know what it is its Underworld 2 you memeber that time where the liken Dr was mixing the bloods this is it its mixed with Marcus's blood changed now he will shirley rule with his hyper beast strength and keen wisdom......... yhea wel F-you come up with something better.

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  • Aug 04, 2005 11:44:35 AM CDT

    FOUNTAIN script is terrible...

    by stifler's mom

    It reads like a bad mash-up of 2001, Timeline, and Mission to Mars. Mark my words, this movie will be a preposterous mess.

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  • Aug 04, 2005 11:55:37 AM CDT

    I saw.....

    by dick fitzwell

  • Aug 04, 2005 12:03:03 PM CDT

    Looks cool. Very Aronoskovish..

    by proman1984

    Is that even a word?

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  • Aug 04, 2005 12:12:31 PM CDT

    Well, what do you expect, it's still a teaser site, an empty

    by biko salamar

    Hope that this will be a sign that we'll see that damn trailer soon, I'm really bored of waiting for that trailer.

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  • Aug 04, 2005 12:14:11 PM CDT

    FINALLY!! A live feed from inside Harry's Bladder!!!!

    by drath

    Oh happy days are here at last!

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  • Aug 04, 2005 12:14:35 PM CDT

    First ten minutes of The Fountain

    by databombkid

    Saw it. Even in its rough form it was beautiful. It certainly won't be "nonsense" like so many people fear when it comes to anything outside of the mainstream. If anybody deserves our trustas far as handling challenging subject matter and visuals, it is Darren Aarinofski. I have to say that he was scared to death at the Comic-con panel, thinking that no on would "get it"
    Why is the ultimate praise for a movie "getting it"? I "get" that most of the movies in my local mega plex suck my sweaty balls. I can't wait for this film.

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  • Aug 04, 2005 12:30:19 PM CDT

    oh wow, a screen saver that looks like... a screen saver... more

    by uncooked_meat

    see a doctor, dude. 'cuz that ain't right.

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  • Aug 04, 2005 12:46:11 PM CDT

    Hey, I can use Pretentious whenever the hell I want.

    by cherrycola

    Because that's all that website is.

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  • Aug 04, 2005 12:50:12 PM CDT

    And it Begins.....

    by vinceklortho

    Can't wait for this movie. One of the best young directos working right now....and you know what? He actually likes movies! I think this movie will actually fuck people up.

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  • Aug 04, 2005 1:02:11 PM CDT

    "intellectual material"?

    by jorson2

    I see the word "intellectual" applied to any movie and immediately I think of a movie that might have interesting characters, but doesn't know what to do with them except give them volumes of "clever" dialogue because they can't actually tell a coherent story. On IMDB, this movie doesn't even have a plot summary. In the plot keywords section, it just says "metaphysical." Sometimes I think I could film my cat tearing up furniture over a matter of days and some idiot would call that intellectual just because nobody had done it and it didn't adhere to any "rules" of Hollywood movie storytelling.

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  • Aug 04, 2005 1:19:06 PM CDT

    I saw Rachel Weisz fingering herself

    by logo lou

    But in all fairness I see that anytime I close my eyes too. I close my eyes A LOT.

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  • Aug 04, 2005 1:23:07 PM CDT

    scrivener

    by decypher44

    I can appreciate art for art's sake. There are many movies, books and pieces of music that I absolutely love that others "don't get". I used to do a lot of LSD when I was younger (among other things), and this isn't close. I don't know if that's what he was going for, though. To me, it just looks like a loop of some chemical reaction under a scope with a looped minimalist soundtrack in the background. Oh, I get it. It's just not that special to me. Oh, well.

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  • Aug 04, 2005 1:30:18 PM CDT

    jorson2, I agree with you in the last part!

    by derlanghaarige

    I hate it when a director just films some stupid stageplays with a shaky mini DV-camera (*cough*Von Trier*cough*)and everybody calls it "The future of modern cinema" or "A great piece of art". Or when an overrated hack who goes by the name of Quentin uses his work just to show us, how many films he saw in his life and that he likes to film gangsters, while they are talking bullshit and suddenly everybody wants to make films like him, because his films are a commercial success (which means:His films must be good!). When you have an interesting idea for a film, it's okay. When this idea works great, hooray! But when your idea sucks, don't call it "art" to let the audience think: "Oh, I must like it or I'm not smart." But I still got high hopes in this project. I like "Pi" and "Requiem for A Dream" is okay. We will see if it's bullshit or not.

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  • Aug 04, 2005 1:38:49 PM CDT

    Also

    by decypher44

    In my opinion, Pi was annoying as hell to watch.

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  • Aug 04, 2005 2:05:25 PM CDT

    I know.

    by derlanghaarige

    You must be interested in films like this. It has nothing to do with being smart or not smart, but not every film is for every audience. I was more than annoyed by Moulin Rouge and turned off the TV after 45 minutes. I tried to watch it! God knows, I tried so hard...

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  • but thats just me...

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  • Aug 04, 2005 2:25:03 PM CDT

    Thank you, DerLanghaarige

    by jorson2

    It's ultimately subjective what constitutes a "good" piece of art, be it a book, movie or song. It's subjective, I think, because it's not a necessity. It can't be judged based on positive or negative results. You can live with bad art. Consuming bad food, for instance, bad in the sense of being rotten or contaminated, can make a person sick or kill them. That's taking a brutally literal stance, but it's still true.

    One of the things a lot of filmmakers who make so-called "intellectual" films forgets is that what they're supposed to be making is a MOTION picture. However, either because they don't know how to incorporate action into a story, don't know how to tell a cohesive story in the first place, or because they think they don't have the money or resources, there's very little actual MOTION involved. It's just a lot of people talking, and the only thing that might warrant putting it on film is the setting and / or costumes. You'd think that would be fundamental in understanding how to do a movie or even a play. A fictitious movie has "acting," which is people commiting "acts," which means that there is, or should be, "action." Almost always in acting class, even during a monologue, actors are told to give the character something to DO while talking.

    It's easy nowadays to ridicule a movie that relies on action and visuals to entice and hold an audience, but what is a movie without them? You may as well do a radio program. Having said that, though, the general consensus is that if the conglomeration of images and actions that make up a movie do not tell a story or relay a relevant message, then it's not a "good" movie. At least, it doesn't do what a movie can or should do, or live up to the potential of the medium. I've never seen a Darren Aronofsky film so I won't say one is good or bad, but I don't have a desire to watch "Requiem," for instance, because the so-called "plot summary" doesn't tell me anything more than that I'll just be watching a bunch of junkies ruin their lives. I might be wrong, of course, but I can only know what I'm about to watch from the advertising for the film, which doesn't even say that there's a point to it, just that it is. Does the movie take a stand on that kind of behavior or not? If the drug addiction was a by-product of, say, character-A trying to actually DO something or GET SOMEWHERE, then that would give me something to watch. How do they do it? Right? But I know how they take drugs and get addicted. What's the point?

    Someone on this board admonishes people to appreciate art for art's sake. What if there's nothing substitive in that art to appreciate?

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  • Aug 04, 2005 2:37:28 PM CDT

    jorson2

    by shigeru

    My brain hurts a lot from reading your last post bro. You views and opinions on this matter are, quite frankly, convoluted swiss cheese.

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  • Aug 04, 2005 2:41:26 PM CDT

    Look closer...

    by mrfang

    You guys...It's a close-up of the sun. The turbulent reaction of hydrogen turning to helium. It's not someone's flash nightmare. It is the real deal.

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  • Aug 04, 2005 2:48:25 PM CDT

    To Shigeru

    by jorson2

    "You views and opinions on this matter are, quite frankly, convoluted swiss cheese."

    Can you explain why?

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  • Aug 04, 2005 3:39:19 PM CDT

    RE: Lord Dick Inmyass

    by mr. nice gaius

    Ri-cockulous. I just knew that your response was going to be even more stupendous than your original post. OK - besides not including the "Scouring of the Shire", tell me, how did the movie not end like the book? And judging by your masterful use of phrases such as "testicle wart" and "butt spelunking ways" you clearly have a dizzying literal intellect. Yes, you are quite dizzy. "Bucket of monkey spunk"? "deviants"??? What the hell is this dude, 6th grade??? Come on Warrior!

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  • Aug 04, 2005 3:45:20 PM CDT

    I'll still see the movie....

    by cherrycola

    I just hope it doe'snt bomb TOO bad at the box office. I tend to like films that no else does. That includes "last action hero". Sorry, but you have to admit the action sequences were amazing to watch. Anyhoo, this film sounds like its going to be difficult to digest by the mainstream audience. The rest of us movie geeks will more than likely have the DVD in our collections. :)

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  • Aug 04, 2005 4:06:33 PM CDT

    jorson2

    by fried samurai

    You seem to emphasize alot on "motion" and "doing" in your post when mentioning film.I assure you it is not necessary if the subject matter is compelling enough.Look at the film PERSONA for example just two people talking with hardly any movement.Yet i thank the gods that Bergman decided to portray this on film and not on radio for lack of "motion".For the most part I dig what you had to say..peace

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  • Aug 04, 2005 4:20:58 PM CDT

    Looks like backgrounds from "Flash Gordon."

    by some dude

    Aronofsky, you hack! "OR MAYBE IT'S GENIUS!"

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  • Aug 04, 2005 4:21:27 PM CDT

    BIG-UPS TO DR. HOFMANN!!!!!

    by fugazi32

    Acid is wicked! Bust some trips out! Everyone should try it! :P

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  • Aug 04, 2005 6:09:05 PM CDT

    Let's Play the Quiet Game

    by spiralout987

    I think its amusing when people talk shit about great directors. it's very easy to do, but then you have to ask yourself- "How the fuck do I have the right to say that?" "What the fuck am I doing in film besides just watching them and giving my opinion?" So everyone who at least don't like aronofsky's films can at least have respect for him.

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  • Aug 04, 2005 6:37:55 PM CDT

    "You're a bucket of monkey spunk you shit eating testicle wa

    by wickedmonster

    No offense lord john, but warrior: Three words:

    BEST LINE EVER!!! I think i will use it out of context.

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  • Aug 04, 2005 7:08:15 PM CDT

    I'm pretty buzzed right now. does that count?

    by r.c. the "wise"

    Word from the studio sets is that the flick is pretty solid. Hell, what do I know...I'm a marketer!!!!

    ps. FUCK MOVIEMACK!

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  • Aug 04, 2005 7:09:01 PM CDT

    jorson2

    by shigeru

    Sorry for the delayed response! As was stated above, your emphasis on things HAPPENING, ACTS, and ACTION, I believe, is limiting the "potential of the medium". Film indeed lends itself to motion and action, it is what makes the moving pictures so unique. But even though it's a terribly young medium, I think that film has progressed to the point where we can fully experiment and push the boundaries of what "good" is. You also said that if a film doesn't "tell a story or relay a relevant message, then it's not a 'good' movie". Again--I think this is a very limiting label to put on movies. Tone poems and character studies (2 things that Requiem for a Dream are) are just as involving and merit-worthy as any straight-up narrative. Yes Requiem is about 3 addicts spiraling down into...addiction... but so what? The way the entire film is structured and made, if character-A had to do something-B or get to somewhere-C, it would feel cheap and forced. I think film, just like art, is about interacting with an audience (even an audience of one). And Requiem sure as hell interacted the shit right out of me. I recommend you give it a try dude. Anyways, no hard feelings, just my opinion. Thanks.

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  • Aug 04, 2005 9:36:40 PM CDT

    Last words...

    by jorson2

    First, thanks for the "no hard feelings" part. I like that somebody doesn't automatically assume I'm an asshole for debating. Forgive me if this is overly long, but like the subject says, these are my "Last words" on the subject, no doubt to everyone's relief. ;)

    Regarding what you've written, again, it boils down to whether a movie is "good" or "bad" being subjective. And as for my saying that a movie without a well-structured story or relevant message is not "good," well, if I said that, I would be contradicting myself by declaring a type of movie "good" or "bad" absolutely after having just said it is subjective. My exact words were: "...the general consensus is that if the conglomeration of images and actions that make up a movie do not tell a story or relay a relevant message, then it's not a 'good' movie." I'm stating the general consensus, meaning what I see a majority of moviegoers believing, either consciously or subconsciously, and reacting to by either choosing to see or not see a movie. On that basis, though, neither are you wrong. Experimentation is fine, it's just that I believe that some of it -- not all -- wastes the medium, if you will, by not putting it to great use. I, for one, would hate spending a year-and-a-half of my life trying to get a million dollars to use expensive equipment and 35mm film just to tape two people talking. The equipment to get good production sound in taping the dialogue alone would probably cost more than I make in a week, and good production sound is hard to come by even for the majors. I could record the dialogue on a tape recorder for under $30, and that's only if I actually had to buy the recorder and maybe a microphone. What's more, maybe it's my lack of sophistication (LOL), but I'd probably be more apt to pay attention to the audiotape recording than the movie, as staring at a static image would probably get on my nerves a bit.

    Lastly, you write: "The way the entire film is structured and made, if character-A had to do something-B or get to somewhere-C, it would feel cheap and forced. I think film, just like art, is about interacting with an audience (even an audience of one). " My OPINION is that if action in a movie makes it feel "cheap" and "forced," then the story of the movie -- if there is a story -- ought to be reconsidered. Furthermore, I operate under the assumption that film IS art, and I'm only calling it an assumption as opposed to a fact because I half-expect someone on this board to disagree with that. ;) In terms of interacting with an audience, I couldn't agree more. Personally, the parts in my favorite movies that interact most with me have no dialogue whatsoever, but usually still have someone DOING something -- not jumping off cliffs or wrecking cars, mind you, but doing something, making some physical gesture or what not. And while you can gesture and talk and still not have a multitude of camera angles when filming it, the moments I refer to focus in on those gestures, on the action, to where the effect is something I couldn't get from a radio program, hence the reason I can appreciate the story in its medium.

    Amen....

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  • Aug 04, 2005 10:40:08 PM CDT

    Pi was awesome

    by el borak

  • Aug 05, 2005 10:10:54 AM CDT

    RE: WickedMonster

    by mr. nice gaius

    I'm actually gonna let that slide WM. You seem like a nice fella. Late!

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  • Aug 05, 2005 11:04:51 AM CDT

    Oh...

    by mr. nice gaius

    ...it probably would have been bourbon. Actually, nothing came out of my nose, it was more like a half-assed spit take.

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  • Aug 05, 2005 11:07:24 AM CDT

    no subject

    by mr. nice gaius

    And I'm sure there is a joke coming after that post! :) Cheers.

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