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Zach Snyder to unleash the dawn of the 300 by Frank Miller'

Hey folks, Harry here... want a juicy succulent rumor that you'll just get giddy about? Ok, ya know how 300 by Frank Miller has been languishing over at Warners without anyone attached? Well, it looks like Zach Snyder... director of the remake of DAWN OF THE DEAD is all signed up to direct Frank Miller's brilliant graphic novel, 300. Not only that - but he plans to shoot it, like Robert Rodriguez as a near shot for panel recreation of the book. You see, the word has it that he's got $60 million - and that it will be shot entirely in-studio in Vancouver. They're set to begin shooting this Fall. Personally, I liked Zack's DAWN OF THE DEAD - and this story is one of the great "last stands" in the history of humanity. And they kicked a lot of ass. Also, Miller's 300 is pretty outstanding, I'm not sure if I think the CG route is necessarily the way to go with this... but then... that would make it look radically different from the onslaught of historical recreations... ahem... god knows they don't use tons of computer imagery. Heh. Let's see what else pops up on this one!

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  • July 27, 2005, 10:55 p.m. CST


    by Lukecash

    I LOVE frank millers 300. Not sure if its historically accurate, but DAMN, there's gonna be a lot of male wang, floating on that one. Any guess who's doing lead?

  • July 27, 2005, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Unfortunately it will probably end up looking like Sky Captain

    by darthkittens

    As much as I want this to succeed, I somehow doubt that you can capture the scope of an ancient Greek battle entirely on a soundstage.

  • July 27, 2005, 10:56 p.m. CST

    I'm thinking Sean Bean

    by Lukecash

    He might be good as Leonidas. What would be radical thinking... hire a greek actor...that might be cool. This is going to have a bright vibrant color pallate

  • July 27, 2005, 10:57 p.m. CST

    Loved 300, didn't like that much dawn

    by eLMaFiO

    Let's hope Snyder catch the magic of Miller's and Varley's art, and Miller storytelling...

  • July 27, 2005, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Zack Snyder is awesome

    by Ribbons

    I actually thought that this was already a done deal, but no matter. Guess that explains the delay in news on the project. Not sure if I like the "shot for shot" approach for a movie like this, but then, I'm not familiar with the comic book. Anyway I hope it's a decision that Snyder arrived at for the right reasons.

  • July 27, 2005, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Sky Captian visuals

    by Lukecash

    Looked like that cause theey were attempting to get a 30's washed out photo feel. They could do something monumental with this one. The problem with Millers work is that it lends itself WONDERFULLY to animation... but not realy live action. Granted Sin City lived up to it, but not the same...because it ened up using shads of grey when the Comic was stark black and white.

  • July 27, 2005, 11 p.m. CST

    This site read my fucking mind...

    by Christopher3

    Hopefully we'll hear more about this and less about Eli Roth.

  • July 27, 2005, 11:02 p.m. CST

    by Awesemo

    This could be really cool, there is no way that they can fuck up the story, it is too simple. The look is the only thing that i think they could screw up, and i don't think that they would even be able to do that.

  • July 27, 2005, 11:03 p.m. CST

    by NapoleonDynamite

    The Battle of Thermopylae is a great story and there has to be a great movie in it somewhere. Steven Pressfield's GATES OF FIRE would rock ass but Miller's 300 would be cool too. I can't believe they'll leave in all the sausage, though, and maybe that's not a bad thing. I'm big on historical accuracy but that much male nudity would probably be distracting in a cinematic form. I'm not too excited about this director, I must say. I'd be more comfortable with someone more experienced with shooting battle scenes.

  • July 27, 2005, 11:09 p.m. CST

    But...but..."Troy" sucked arse! Why bother?

    by fiester

    Is this going to ignite a long string of bloated overblown Biblical era epics like in the late 1950s? Fuck old Hollywood! It's dead. Let it go.

  • July 27, 2005, 11:13 p.m. CST

    i liked the remake of Dawn, and i love Miller...

    by Joe Lies

    i'm feelin good about this, and after seeing sin city, anything can be done on a soundstage in my mind.

  • July 27, 2005, 11:16 p.m. CST

    more than 300 people on the Spartan side made their stand at the

    by eraser_x

    The 300 Spartans each had squires or valets or shield bearers or whatever the hell you call those personal assistants. Man, was Frank Miller's "300" really all that good? I remember picking it up at a store and not seeing enough to justify buying it. I did buy the first two Sin City trade paperbacks, though.

  • July 27, 2005, 11:30 p.m. CST

    go tell the spartans,

    by howudoinchewbaca

    stranger passing by, that here, according to their laws we lie. Gates of Fire would make a wonderful movie.

  • July 27, 2005, 11:34 p.m. CST

    um.... this has been on Snyder's iMDb page since......

    by Jarek

    .....Dawn of the Dead came out. So this is hardly news.

  • July 27, 2005, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Not just squires or whatever

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    The 300 only refers to the Spartan soldiers, the Greek army total is estimated to be some where around 7,000 (but still, that was 7000 against a few hundred thousand), and it was mainly the Spartans that stood their ground and fought to the death, most of the Greek army retreated after the battle had been lost. I don't know if I really like the idea of doing such a large scale picture completely on a soundstage, but I guess we've seen enough of the sprawling CGI epics to already know what those look like, so maybe something new can be brought to this, guess I'll just have to wait and see.

  • July 28, 2005, 12:24 a.m. CST

    That's great, in theory and all, except...

    by Flim_'s almost always more expensive to use CGI. I suppose without sets and stuff it might tip the balance. Still looks like the inside of my arse, though.

  • July 28, 2005, 12:32 a.m. CST

    Gates of Fire

    by MolonLabe

    I second the request for a movie based on Steven Pressfield's great book, Gates of Fire, about the Battle of Thermopylae.

  • July 28, 2005, 12:51 a.m. CST

    "the dawn of the 300" - what are you talking about ?

    by Gus Nukem

  • July 28, 2005, 12:58 a.m. CST

    If Mr T is in, so am I

    by Hamtaro_Hentai

    I'm tired of all 300 of you fools, and your jibba jabba

  • July 28, 2005, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Speaking of fun with chroma key, when will DiC release Photon on

    by grillskill

  • July 28, 2005, 1:22 a.m. CST


    by AshleyMonday

    I can only hope....

  • the location adds so much to this story. Doing it all in studio with CG will make it look unauthentic and dumb. What worked for Sky Captain won't work for this.

  • July 28, 2005, 1:58 a.m. CST

    Since when did directors stop directing?

    by quantum_ken

    We don't need another bum to copy and paste a Frank Miller book. Comics are comics. Film is film. They are not one and the same.

  • July 28, 2005, 2:33 a.m. CST

    Miller Kicks Ass but...

    by nme00

    Miller Kicks Ass but the Dawn of the Dead remake was only so-so. I guess if they do a panel-by-panel recreation, they can't mess it up that bad. (or could they?)

  • July 28, 2005, 2:53 a.m. CST

    I swear I heard this months ago

    by ChorleyFM

    Chud definatly had and article about it a few weeks ago.

  • July 28, 2005, 3:26 a.m. CST

    "Since when did directors stop directing?"

    by Thirteen 13

    They didn't stop directing. One of the reasons why Sin City was such a success was because it was faithful to the source material and you had a director that cast well and made sure the actors didn't start taking creative liberties, or re-reading the script and thinking that Frank Miller should have drew it this way, or wrote it that way. Robert Rodrigez was a big Sin City fan. He understood the source material, and he was there to advise the actors on what their role meant, how to do it, and give direction on this is the way its going to be done. Thats why Sin City worked so well. It gave the fans what they wanted. An actual true adaption to the silver screen. It only cost 40 million to make and it grossed 120 million and thats not including the overseas box office sales which will outnumber that. And that movie was rated "R" and true to the source material which effectively scared away the FF4 crowd and the "Stealth" crowd. Sin City is an example of a director actually doing what a director is supposed to do....make a quality movie worth owning on DVD with a lot of replay value.

  • July 28, 2005, 3:33 a.m. CST

    Yes but that's the problem, Thirteen 13

    by kuryakin

    Rodriguez was a fan. Doubt this guy is. Sin City makes money and they start sniffing around other Miller properties to cash in on. That's all this is. Even down to the frame-for-frame translation. This same shit happens every time a genre movie is a success. LA Confidential - all Ellroys books got optioned in about 3 seconds. Then fuck all was done with them. And Ellroy is a million times better than Miller. What next - Ronin? With a female lead. Starring Milla Jovovich. I bet it happens too, the greedy bastards

  • July 28, 2005, 4:26 a.m. CST

    One of the great last stands?

    by LatinPoetofDoom

    This isn't one of the great last stands... The Battle at the Hot Gates was, without a doubt, THE greatest last stand in all western history. Thermopylae was the birthplace of western military tradition, which still echos in the armies of Europe and the US to this day. The freedom of the men of Hellas vs. the slavery of the Persian King. Just imagine what it would have been like, an army twice the size of the one that is simulated in the LOTR:ROTK, and only 300 spartans and their king to stop them. Glorious huh? It is, even though Miller doesn't include the 700 men from Thespiae, and 400 additional men of Thebes that fought under Leonidas. Still that's only 1400... Xerxes army was well over 200,000.

  • July 28, 2005, 6:12 a.m. CST

    Poor me!

    by eraser_x

    My priorities are wrong and what. I can't even tell the difference between Miller's good writing and Miller's bad writing. I have never read Spawn or All Star Batman & Robin, either. Poor me. If only someone as cool as NiYonIchi, someone with a life, would take interest in a loser such as me and show me the error of my ways! But I guess someone that cool would have better things to do. Woe is me.

  • July 28, 2005, 6:19 a.m. CST

    Behind the Times....

    by Karl Childers

    This is such old news.

  • July 28, 2005, 6:19 a.m. CST

    Snyder is a good director. He should stick to action though as D

    by Mr. Profit

    Dawn is the film Resident Evil should have been.

  • July 28, 2005, 6:27 a.m. CST

    Thanks LatinPoetofDoom for...

    by Cat_Corporation

    Saving me from revealing my geekdom by reminding everyone of the other Greek contingents who remained behind with Leonidas' men in the pass (uh....methinks I just did it anyway...doh!) Miller's 300 is not history, but it is a searing, brutal version of the battle, and though I am a budding lecturer of Ancient History I'm not one of these people that will sit there and bitch about every little detail they changed (Troy excepted, because that was a pile of poo). Being a huge film fan as well as a history fan, I just love seeing my Ancients on the big screen. In my opinion, anything that brings my fascinating subject to da kidz is A Good Thing, especially if it inspires them to come to my lessons - where I can shatter their illusions, mwahhahahaaaa! No, only kidding... As for Pressfield's Gates of Fire, it would make a great movie but talk of George Clooney or Bruce Willis as Leonidas is slightly worrying...he was an old dude! Maybe they can play Dienekes, and leave Leonidas to an old hand...But who to cast... Damn, I wish I was casting it!

  • July 28, 2005, 7:17 a.m. CST

    Re: kuryakin

    by Darth Busey

    Zack Snyder not a fan? Any red-blooded male with two testicles in his scrotum wants to see the Battle of Thermopylae.

  • July 28, 2005, 7:19 a.m. CST

    Snyder has been on this for over a year...

    by droog

    AICN has become Ain't It Old News lately. Might want to get a Variety subscription or something, maybe. Also, this movie's had tons of trouble getting going since it was announced, but Snyder went the Sky Captain route and put together some brief "finished" footage to convince the money people.

  • July 28, 2005, 7:36 a.m. CST

    oh please let this happen

    by BurlIvesLeftNut

    This could easily be one of the greatest Greek Epics every made. I love the idea of shooting in studio too. If he can define the look of the movie half as well as Robert Rodriguez did with Sin City, then it will be outstanding.

  • July 28, 2005, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Snyder is great at action...

    by stlfilmwire

    Sarah Polley in her car was awesome.

  • July 28, 2005, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Hasn't this already been done? In the 60's?

    by Uncooked_Meat

    When it was called The 300 Spartans? Sigh...

  • July 28, 2005, 8:51 a.m. CST

    What, is it going to be 30 minutes long and rated X?

    by Cerebud

    I really like 300, but I can't see an entire feature length movie out of it if they're doing a panel-for-panel recreation. The stories in Sin City were much more dense, and they still needed to stitch three stories together to make one movie. There's also quite a lot of butts and weiners (the technical term) all over the place. I assume they'll be changing that.

  • July 28, 2005, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Anyway, back to that innocent guy the UK police shot

    by Dog Of Mystery

    No one is reading the V thread anymore, so I would like to point out to all of the dolts who immediately swallowed whatever lies the authorities fed them... "The family of the Brazilian man shot dead by marksmen who mistook him for a suicide bomber revealed last night how police have changed their account of the incident. As the body of Jean Charles de Menezes was flown home to Brazil for his funeral later today, his cousin said that senior officers at Scotland Yard have retracted claims that the 27-year-old electrician was acting suspiciously, so officers had no option but to open fire. Vivien Figueiredo, 22, said police told her that he was wearing a lightweight denim jacket and not some bulky coat that could have hidden an explosive belt underneath. Detectives also claimed immediately after the shooting that Mr Menezes had refused to heed shouted warnings by armed police and vaulted the ticket barriers at Stockwell Tube station. Now police say that he used his travelcard to gain access to the station. Ms Figueiredo said:

  • July 28, 2005, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Where you heard this first

    by Brendon

    Don't believe the imdb. About ANYTHING. But this is OLD news. Rich Johnston's Lying in the Gutters ran a story about some test footage shot for this baby, by Snyder, quite some time ago now. Then that story started appearing elsewhere. Rich has been called a Media Whore many times on these pages, which is, really, quite ironic. I guess WB must have just sanctioned AICN's release of this story.

  • July 28, 2005, 9:08 a.m. CST

    And while we're on the subject...

    by Brendon

    ...what is going on HERE? Payola!

  • July 28, 2005, 9:14 a.m. CST

    snyder and miller together? what could be better

    by josh_strapp

    hope sarah polley makes a cameo

  • July 28, 2005, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Sounds great

    by gerrit4

    Something about last stand of humanity movies/books that always gets me. On a side note, in response to Quantum Kens earlier remark, there is more to directing than deciding shot composition. Directing is about being able to put a good story together, getting good performances and making a visually pleasing film, not to mention pre-production and post-production duties. Accomplishing that is no small feat, even when the frames are drawn for you. RR didn't just set up the shot and hit record and yell "just read the script!"

  • July 28, 2005, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Just want to echo that Snyder has been on this project for over

    by Doc_McCoy

    Cool script, by the way.

  • July 28, 2005, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Whatever happenned to the other two projects?

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    There was an adaptation of Gates of Fire in the works, Michael Mann was attached to direct, and Clooney and Bure Willis were strongly rumored to be attached. Plus someone was trying to simply remake the 60s film of the same battle.

  • July 28, 2005, 10:16 a.m. CST

    HUH? this is old news....

    by Brundlefly

    Harry, this is fucking old news man - i read on darkhorizons that Snyder was developing and planning to direct '300' months ago...i mean he may have just signed on for real to direct it -but you're reacting like this is a new thing. That said - THIS WILL FUCKING ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!

  • July 28, 2005, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Anyway, back to that innocent guy the UK police shot

    by Harker-Writes

    Running from the police is acting suspiciously, especially following a bombing attack. All the witnesses confirm that he was running away at the time of the shooting. Some witnesses confirm that he wore a jacket that could have been concealing a bomb. Some witnesses reported seeing wires protruding from the jacket. If he was working as an electrician , as has been suggested, then they could have been work tools. He was most likely an illegal worker in the UK as Brazilians have no automatic right to work there. He ran from the police thinking they were immigration officers. His family confirm that because he was brought up in Brazil's townships he would know NOT to run from the police because of their trigger happy disposition. Given that, he was obviously so anxious to avoid the British police that he did what he would never do in Brazil ie run. He presumably assumed that unlike the Brazilian police the British police do no carry guns. However, he must not have been completely out of touch with current events to not know that the opposite was true. It is an unfortunate accident. And no doubt the family will now try to get as much money as possible out of the British police for killing their son who was working illegally in the UK and didn't have the sense to stop when challenged during a terrorist bombing campaign. It'll be a bonanza payout in Brazil. Hope they and their lawyers enjoy it.

  • July 28, 2005, 10:56 a.m. CST

    What To Expect From Snyder

    by ZombieSolutions

    a rip roaringly cool opening 10 minutes followed by 70 minutes of aimless boredom and then a pretty cool 10 minutes at the end. that is if the DAWN remake is any indication.

  • July 28, 2005, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Don't forget...

    by Brendon amusing "Jay Leno" joke in the middle. That Dawn remake was better than it had any right to be.

  • July 28, 2005, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Snyder is a fucking pimp.

    by PVIII

    pure and simple. Limitless potential people. I expect big things from this young dude.

  • July 28, 2005, 12:21 p.m. CST

    who's in the cast?

    by PVIII

  • July 28, 2005, 12:29 p.m. CST

    The Spartans were gay.

    by rev_skarekroe

    Well they were!

  • July 28, 2005, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Sin City was as pointless as Gus Van Sant's Psycho remake

    by Bubastis

    Except a lot cooler. Dont get me wrong, i loved the movie, but having read the comics i couldnt help but think what was the point? A shot-by-shot retelling of a story you know inside out. They crucified Van Sant for it.

  • July 28, 2005, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Thanks, NiYonIchi!

    by eraser_x

    Yeah, I do remember that I liked Daredevil: Born Again and Elektra: Assassin when I read them so long ago. The amazing thing about Sin City is not the story--it's the incredibly bold black and white art. I had never seen that style before. (It may have been done before, but I'd not seen it.) Once the shock and awe of the style wore off, after the first two trade paperbacks, the weakness of the stories took over, and I had to stop reading/buying the Sin City books. The same thing happened with the TV show "24" and the "Preacher" comic books; once the style novelty wore off, the weak stories were not able to maintain my interest.

  • July 28, 2005, 1:35 p.m. CST


    by small boy

    This was announced months ago, i don't know where, but i defintely heard this months ago, possibly on Are you seriously telling us that this is news?

  • July 28, 2005, 1:42 p.m. CST

    H or K?

    by Brendon

    I think Harry's Gang should hire a proofreader.

  • July 28, 2005, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Wait...does that mean we'd have to watch 1-299 first?

    by themikejonas

    Where can I find those on DVD?

  • July 28, 2005, 1:55 p.m. CST

    After two toilets worth of Sin Shitty

    by SirBiatchReturns

    i think i'll skip on Frank Miller's shit for a while.

  • July 28, 2005, 2:08 p.m. CST

    "What To Expect From Snyder"

    by MaguaSynfield

    Good thing I read your post before jumping in...its just what I thought about DOTD. Really thought the opening bit, until, basically, they got to the mall, was nice & tasty. The scenes of urban America in ruins...Polley's hubby just peeling off from pursuing her car in favor of neighborly fresh meat... the eagle's eye view of Wisconsin burning, followed by the t-bone & gas station explosion. All terrific. And Ving Rhames is one of my favorite guys working right now. Wish he were in this. Lets hope DOTD was a learning process for Zack, & that he can sustain it on 300. Now would be a good time to start praying...or offering human sacrifice. One or the others bound to work...

  • July 28, 2005, 2:40 p.m. CST

    sir biatch, bubastis, and quantum ken...

    by nushustu

    Are all right on the money. I'm sorry, but Sin City was retarded. I loved the first couple of books, but there's a big difference between reading and hearing that cheese-ass dialog. It read fine, but sounded about as silly as Plan 9. And another thing, Rodriguez should have had a producer credit and that's it. Because you can't say you're the artistic person behind a project if the story, dialog, visuals, lighting, et al are somebody else's. Sorry. 300 will be the same. I love 300, but comics and film are different. I predict it will also be ass.

  • July 28, 2005, 2:40 p.m. CST

    sir biatch, bubastis, and quantum ken...

    by nushustu

    Are all right on the money. I'm sorry, but Sin City was retarded. I loved the first couple of books, but there's a big difference between reading and hearing that cheese-ass dialog. It read fine, but sounded about as silly as Plan 9. And another thing, Rodriguez should have had a producer credit and that's it. Because you can't say you're the artistic person behind a project if the story, dialog, visuals, lighting, et al are somebody else's. Sorry. 300 will be the same. I love 300, but comics and film are different. I predict it will also be ass.

  • July 28, 2005, 3:20 p.m. CST

    no shit this site reads our minds..

    by white owl

    I was just thinking about this guy Snyder driving home from work today. Out of the blue, like "I wonder what the guy who remade Dawn will do next". Anyways, great news. Anything Frank Miller related is excellent comings to me.

  • July 28, 2005, 4:29 p.m. CST

    so about over there...

    by DocMcCoy

    who else was annoyed by the nicknames?snore-stop?!?!?

  • July 28, 2005, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Easy, nushustu,

    by Bubastis

    i didnt say Sin City wasnt a good movie, it was just a little pointless for someone who knows the books. People who'd never read a graphic novel in their life were probably blown away by it. I just prefer sin city in its original media, as i'm sure most people do. Just as everyone prefers (rightly so) the original Psycho to the colorised remake. Sin City the movie was a pointless excercise.

  • July 28, 2005, 5:48 p.m. CST

    What i would have prefered

    by Bubastis

    would be all-new stories set in sin city which everyone could enjoy for the first time together. I mean, when i was watching Sin City, and realised that when they said word-for-word translation, they meant it, i basically switched off. I was speaking the dialogue in synch with the actors at some stages.

  • July 28, 2005, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Steven Pressfield loves 'Aintitcool'

    by Filmrage

    Here's a question to the Author of 'Gate of fire' Steven Pressfield. I found in an intervew from a few years back. . . . . . . . . . . . Q."How are plans for the film of Gates of Fire progressing (George Clooney?)" . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . A. The film. Just a week ago, the director Michael Mann (Last of the Mohicans, The Insider) closed a deal with Universal to "develop" the property, i.e. work with the screenwriter David Self on getting a script that will move on to the next level. We'll see how that goes. I'm not sure what George Clooney's participation will be, if any, as an actor. In his capacity as a producer, however, he is still involved, as the deal was made with his production company, Maysville Pictures, and his ex-partner Robert Lawrence. Basically, I know nothing, however. All I know I get from I'm not kidding. Check it out.

  • July 28, 2005, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Shot for frame shit

    by Filmrage

    As much as i loved Millers Graphic Novels i have to say that the movie Sin City was a snorefest. It's a fact that every medium be it words, pictures, sound or moving pictures have inherent advantages over each other as well as disadvantages and the shot for frame movie of Sin City revealed a worship and preference of the medium of a graphic novel and not for the story of its author. . . . . . . . ok it was an interesting experiment but in doing the shot for frame it was just plain neglecting to use the pros of the film medium to tell the story. . . . . . . . the same approach to Millers '300' will not only make the same mistake but it will ignore the greater, truer story of the 300 spartans. Imagine a big budget movie ignoring the real story of a pivotal true life event in histor to instead tell the comic book version. I'm sorry but as much as i love comics and especially anything by Miller i even more love real history, especially when the story is as freaking perfect as that of the 300 Spartans defending the pass at Themopolae.

  • July 28, 2005, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Pressfield's GATES OF FIRE should be made, not this!

    by ConanTheBuilder

    Why oh why is Pressfield's "Gates of Fire" version in development hell, when another fucking comic book movie goes through? What a bastardization. Sure, I will probably enjoy "300," but Pressfield's "Gates of Fire" is the epitome of what I have been hoping for in this latest batch of "Sword and Sandal" flicks. ***STORY SPOILERS THROUGHOUT THIS POST, YOU ARE WARNED*** The problem a screenwriter will have with "Gates of Fire" is the "main character" who's really the narrator: XEO. Xeo essentially has no personality throughout the entire story, other than being fiercely loyal to his Spartan masters. The character of Xeo doesn't grow one bit through the whole book. Essentially, the character is there for one thing, and one thing only: Narration. While the story arc of Xeo and his love for his cousin is very interesting, it is ultimately spurious to the story the book is trying to tell. Pressfield wanted an outside-in approach to telling the tale and that's how he invented Xeo's character and arc. ROOSTER the half-helot is actually a more interesting character in that he actually grows by the end of the story **SPOILER ALERT** eventually ending up as a Spartan warrior at the end at the Battle of Plataea **END SPOLER** If I were to make any large changes at all in the whole story, it would be to replace XEO's character with ROOSTER, but perhaps keep the name of "Xeo." Maybe meld the two characters into one. The movie should play HEAVILY on the the relationships between these four men: Dienekes, Alexandros, Polynikes, and Rooster - the respect finally shown by Polynikes towards Rooster (mutually given by the end); Polynikes to Alexandros; the father/son style relationship between Alexandros and Dienekes; the connection between Alexandros and Rooster; the connection between Rooster and Dienekes thrust upon them by Dienekes wife; the animosity between Polynikes and Dienekes. Hell, Leonidas should remain a background character throughout the whole thing, perhaps only coming to some kind of prominence only in the final battle scenes. Keep all that in mind, I would skip the whole Xeo backstory completely, living in the bush after the sack of his polis, etc. I would start the movie with this one scene: The scene where the Spartans have assembled for a mock-training campaign. The younger recruits are assembled and harshly captained and berated by Polynikes - he breaking their noses during the shield drill - focusing heavily on the animosity shown towards Alexandros. Begin the movie by shocking the audience - plunge the moviegoers deep into the culture from minute 1. One thing I hope they portray in a possible movie is the effect such teriffying battle did to men mentally. The book describes how enemies of the Spartans peed themselves, trembled, and even shrieked in terror even without wounds. The book even goes so far as to describe the Spartans themselves overcome with a sort of euphoria after battle... their knees giving way and crying together. All of this needs to be portrayed. Lastly, the HUMOR... wow, the HUMOR needs to translate from the book to the movie. So many horrifying images need levity, and the book provides it. The harsh language, dry wit of the soldiers, and vulgar jokes told amongst the troops before they went into battle are all priceless.

  • July 28, 2005, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Troy and the sucking of ass

    by Sabowan

    First of all, I'd love to see this come to pass. Frank Miller's work was meant to be put on film. Secondly, I really don't get why people bash Troy all that much. I have to say, when I first watched the movie, I was not all that impressed. I didn't find the score memorable, I thought the wide shots of battle and troops were all LOTR clones, and the deviation from Homer's work were all distracting. However, I've recently seen the film on HBO in high-definition a few times since then, and I've come to enjoy it a lot more. I don't mind the deviations from Homer because after all, this is an ancient story, and the intent of Troy was to put it in a "realistic" setting, how it may have proceeded if it really happened. The acting is not bad, the cast is superb, and the direction and editing are not bad either. The fight between Achilles and Hector, IMO, is very well done. Furthermore, the themes in the score become more apparent upon subsequent viewings. Can someone explain to me why there's so much hate for Troy?

  • July 29, 2005, 2:03 a.m. CST

    Liked the comic

    by MondoGundark

    Read it once and threw it into storage.

  • July 29, 2005, 7:15 a.m. CST


    by small boy

    No, it really is bad. Do we really need to be reminded every two minutes that Brad Pitt's character "will be remebered forever"? It happens about 90 times. Troy was horribly bad, only Eric Bana and Peter O'Toole (and Sean Bean i suppose) escaped with any dignity. I wa slooking forward to it, but, let's face it, it's not a good film.

  • July 29, 2005, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Troy totally sucked, made to look half decent in retrospect by S

    by Filmrage

    Stone seemed to model his Alexander on the ranting Castro from his docu. . . . . . . . Try was basically the 'pearl habour' formula. Something for the ladies, something for the gents. . . . . . How many ways can we count the stupidity and shallowness of it. Firt of all, the Trojians get all in a panic cause they 'suddenly' spot the Athenian fleet when it's like 3 miles from their shore. er, the horizon is ten miles off and any spotters from a coastal city would have seen the masts instantly as they popped up over the horizon. This would have given them about half a day to prepar not ten bloody minutes. . . . . . secondly, not only is a fuckin massive fortress and huge huge huge babylonian type walls meant to give you the advantage and in the case of the story of the Trojian war it did as they hid behind the walls for ten years (not the two week time span of the movie siege) but in the movie they put their friggin army on the outside to meet the Greeks. What a total insult to the audience. Oh, it looks better that way so screw history and logic. What an awful awful awful movie Troy was. Oh, er, the whole battle of half a million greeks against the trojians is going badly so the king neeeeeeds Achilles and his 50 murmadans in order toturn the tide, sheeesh.

  • July 29, 2005, 1:31 p.m. CST

    The 300 Spartans...

    by MaguaSynfield U of M this fall!!! ( sorry, its a Michigan thing) I'm glad they're doing this story, even though they won't get it right from an historical POV, because the 300 Spartans movie with Richard Egan & Ralph Richardson was an inert pile of schnauzer crap. Its hilarious to watch spears without points getting chucked around, guys dropping their weapons to grab the "thrown" spears & hold them in place...looked like a community theatre production from hell. ( thanks & a tip 'o the hat to IMBD...although I own this fruity little fart & its all true - even the extra taking one in the piehole) This story deserves better than that, and if Millers story is not going to be historically accurate, it should at least be exciting. Or fun. I doubt ( and pray) that it won't be done the way Sin City was...

  • July 29, 2005, 1:42 p.m. CST


    by MrFloppy

    But this is OLD news. I knew Zach will direct 300, months ago.

  • July 29, 2005, 11:19 p.m. CST

    This is going to suck.

    by TheButcher

    I already read the comic. I wont waste my money on this!!

  • July 30, 2005, 5:16 p.m. CST


    by Broodwich

    Excellent, but hardly news. This has been on imdb for months. Not sure if the Sky Captain look would fit this film, but Sky was definitely more fun and entertaining than Sin City, which just had great visuals going for it. And just to start a big shit-throwing match: As pure entertainment, the Dawn remake was a hell of a lot better.

  • July 31, 2005, 5:57 a.m. CST

    Running from the police ...

    by Shan

    ... I heard they were plainsclothes police so what if he thought they were a bunch of guys who were trying to beat or rob him or such? Was it that obvious they were police? Either way, it's a public relations disaster and if anything has made the UK less safe not more ...