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FIREFLY: THE COMPLETE SERIES Finally Gets Televised, Starting Tonight On Sci-Fi!!
SPOILER ALERT !!
I am – Hercules!!
The SciFi Channel is doing what Fox never did: running all the “Firefly” episodes produced, and running them in the correct order.
I reckon they’ll have run though all 15 hours right about the time its big-screen sequel, “Serenity,” hits cinemas Sept. 30.
Here’s what the press was saying about the show just before its September 2002 premiere:
TV Guide says:
Negative buzz attached itself to Firefly after Fox asked Whedon to film a new first episode. But from what little we've seen, Firefly looks ambitious, provocative and original. Underestimate the gifted Whedon at your own peril.
Variety says:
Cheeky and charming, Joss Whedon's attempt to fuse oaters with "Star Trek" is just silly enough to work but there's plenty of B-movie attraction here to win over young Friday night viewers who have little else to choose from at 8:00. …"Firefly's" wide spectrum of characters is its greatest asset, since any of its ensemble could take center stage from week to week. Mal and Book seem to be the leaders, but that every personality trait is represented, from pouty to dangerous to intellectual, is a perfect way to hide some of its flaws (most notably a reliance on cartoon violence and ridiculously staged stunts that could have given way to more creative methods of larceny). … Whedon, who directed and co-wrote the debut, has also taken a page from "The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr." a years-old, short-lived series that likewise brought sarcasm and impudence to a genre that until then was strictly serious. "Firefly" has a lot of wink-wink dialogue, breezy acting and sexual chemistry that's never appeared in the science-fiction TV realm, and it's all executed by some very likable people.
The Hollywood Reporter says:
In a new season largely bereft of innovative ideas or daring concepts, "Firefly" stands out like a supermodel at a bus stop. In this, the first series by "Buffy" creator Joss Whedon under his development deal with Fox, he combines the sci-fi and Western formats, peppers them with wit and action and comes up with something truly original and highly watchable. … You might think it would be impossible to find an intersection between the high-tech world of sci-fi and the low-tech world of Westerns, but Whedon pulls it off. Mostly, he does this by avoiding the gaudier elements of sci-fi and creating a universe with a mixture of technologies, barren landscapes and an Asian influence.
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Sure it's cool, and I'm probably one of the biggest supporters of Firefly ever, but Canada has aired the entire show for awhile, a long with Miracles and Wonderfalls. It's a good step, but it's been done before.
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Jul 22, 2005 9:49:27 AM CDT
So i'm First, but I blow by putting a typo in my subject lin
by danielkurland
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... Sci-Fi in the UK has been running them all for years.
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Just a wonderin. Haven't a billion people already picked this up on dvd? Who's left to watch?
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...it is worth watching. But I'd probably only strongly recommend the pilot, to get your footing, and then "Our Mrs. Reynolds," "Out of Gas" and "Objects in Space" as pretty good TV. The rest is pretty forgettable.
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How many talkbacks regarding teh show are we going to be subjected to? I's been cancelled people. It's dead, it's over. The movie is going to tank, period. Go ahead and flame on all you want, but it's true. Let it go.....
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this show rocks, and more people should watch it. Firefly rocks.
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Haven't you known by now Dick Fitzwell, all the Whedon freaks on these boards never let his crap die...I agree with you 100% it's cancelled and over, watching this show isn't gonna revive it, and from the reaction I've seen in theatres when the trailer has been shown the movie will bomb and hopefully all this firefly nonsense will be done with...flame if ya want but it won't change that this show is gone and will stay that way.
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Jul 22, 2005 10:18:51 AM CDT
I'm no fan of Buffy or Angel, but as for Firefly...
by cletus van damme
...some of the best TV (and characters) on TV, glad to have it back.
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But I seem to recall mentioning this back a few months ago before SciFi even made their officail announcement...
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Oh well.
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there's hope for Freakylinks?
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When a show you like is being mentioned here, why should you talk about it? It will get cancelled, or end after 7 years (proving that other posters were right, and it sucked). Just be quiet and let the airwaves get filled with shows about dancin' and singin' and trailerpark police raids. Or tune into the CSI network, or the Law & Order Network. But whatever you do, don't log onto a website about movies and genre and expect to discuss them without someone calling you an asskisser, an idiot, or a plant. Geez, people when are you going to learn to just shutup and stare at you Tv blankly and take the crap the network geniuses and advertisers deem fit to dole out?
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I won't watch it, but shiny!
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I tried lookig at it when it originally ran on fox. I fell asleep, dreamt i was watching it and fell asllep in my dream too. Is it worth a 2nd look? is it that good as the brown coats suggest?
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...the accursed Man Juice! Yeah, MJ, it's worth a look. Like I said above, the pilot (not the one they aired as the pilot on Fox) gives you a pretty good grounding in the universe (although it's a bit of a boring episode) and then there's about three stand-out episodes that I'd classify as good-to-really-good TV. The rest will induce REM sleep. So DVR it and choose carefully. Oh, I nearly forgot: Blast you, and such.
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The 2 hour premier (are they airing that in 2 parts or the next two weeks?) is pretty good and sets things up nicely. The style of writing might not be to everyone's tastes, admitedly, but its a well thoughtout and crafted show, and you don't see that much on tv anymore, regardless of the genre.
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As of now, the dvd set has 1411 reviews on Amazon, and the overwhelming majority of them give it five stars. (To compare and contrast, the Buffy sets only get about 400 reviews each. These aren't just rabid Whedon-ites writing the reviews.) FIREFLY took everything that was good about Whedon's other shows and jettisoned the crap. No, watching will not revive the series, but that's not the point. It's just good entertainment. Give it a sincere shot.
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Jul 22, 2005 11:32:00 AM CDT
This show is awesome. I hope they get budget for new eps from Sc
by cherub rock
Also, "it's cancelled, so get over it" is the most retarded argument I've ever heard for ignoring a TV show. Geez...so many of the best shows get cancelled. If Firefly is so crap and my judgment so off, how come every person I've ever talked to who has seen the show loves it and raves about it? zer0cool2k2, you are my hero for today (despite your name)
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P.S.: Couldn't disagree with more. I didn't get that at all from the 14 released episodes, they seemed pretty consistent to me. Message to all of you out there in cyberspace: curl up in bed with a hot drink and watch the DVD in sequence, you'll (hopefully) be hooked quickly.
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if the pilot was boring then I am in for some awesomeness because I thought that the (2 hour) pilot was phenomenal. I have gone on a Firefly downloading frenzy since seeing it the other day. (Dear FBI: that is not true I would never do that).
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What, are you still in the VCR age? Buy a DVD player already and go rent the series, geezus.
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well most of us assumed that it sucked dude. even after watching a little bit of it.
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I'll check it out. Hey Childe, remember when you thought a Thesauras was "the dinosaur with the LOng neck" ? you have come a long way young sir. By the by, does this show on any other night than friday? I have a separate life on the Outernet (tm) and dont yet have tivo, so if anyone knows when it reruns, i'd like to find out.
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'Nuff said.
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How wrong can one person be? I think it official, you are now the record holder for having the most completely wrong statement in a single paragraph in the history of this website. Congratulations! I would respond to your comments point by point, but seeing that your whole statement is such an obvious work of fiction it does seem rather pointless.
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...a very small, weak dinosaur that confused larger predators with flowery language, Man Juice. I know because I built a time machine and went back to confirm this. I accidentally killed a small, legless amphibian on that trip and, I fear, may have set back human evolution just enough to explain the current state of affairs in the world. For this I apologize. And I hope no one is misinterpreting my take on FIrefly. It wasn't a bad show by any stretch. I just really would only ever care to watch about four episodes again (and several of the remaining 10 were, indeed, uninteresting enough to put me to sleep before 10 p.m.). I'm still going to see the movie. Again... it's that selective appreciation thing that so few folks seem to believe in where Joss is concerned. Oh well.
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even the chick from Cleopatra 2525 is good in it. I dont know what that says, but it says something. course again I've only seen the pilot and the first one.
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Jul 22, 2005 1:07:15 PM CDT
Why don't the Firefly haters just "live with it" and stop co
by spectrebeeyatch
I don't get the guys who click on a link about Firefly and the complain about how many people like it. Idiot you clicked on it. Also going after and bashing an original and creative show makes you look like a tool. You can go watch CSI and Desperate Housewives but leave your negative shit at the door please.
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"How many talkbacks regarding Star Trek are we going to be subjected to? NBC cancelled it people. It's dead, it's over. Star Trek: The Motion Picture is going to tank, period. Go ahead and flame on all you want, but it's true. Let it go....." Am I saying that Firefly/Serenity is going to go on to spawn a dozen movies and almost as many TV series? Of course not, but it all started with some core and vocal fans, and a studio executive willing to see if other people would be interested in a film version of a cancelled TV show. If you didn't like the show, fair enough, but it did have some good stories, great acting and quotalbe dialog, and FOX didn't give it much support, making cancellation a foregone conclusion. "Cancelled TV show" does not always equal "Bad TV show". Most of the time, yes, but not "always". The film Serinity doesn't have to make a whole lot of money to be "sucessful" as it was made on a modest budget and will go on to sell at least as many DVDs as the series did. So - everyone involved will make money and a sequel or two will be greenlighted. No - Serenity the film will not be anywhere close to the top when the list of 2005 grosses are released, but it will do as well or better than it is expected to, which is the exact opposite of a movie tanking. "Bewitched" has already earned more box office than Serinity will in its entire run, but the Bewitched investors are probably going to end up losing money at the end of the day. It "tanked". See the difference?
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funny,i always though time travel was yellow... I digress, Does serenity follow the series or is it a prequel?
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Jul 22, 2005 1:47:43 PM CDT
"You might think it would be impossible to find an intersection
by spike fett
...that is, if you're either a godforsaken moron or a journalist for the Hollywood Reporter. See there was this little film called STAR WARS...
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No Excuses!!
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You never saw the canabals in space. The evil alliance, really wasn't that evil and kind of dull. THe guys with the blue latex gloves show up twice, and didn't seem that scary. The crazy sister just kept being crazy and never evolved as a character.
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Jul 22, 2005 2:09:38 PM CDT
When Firefly starts to have an arc, then it will be good. (NT)
by warp11
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thanks for the kind words, and for the record, my username really was kind of a joke, since I couldn't think of anything clever that hadn't been taken, and I was kinda' drunk when I first signed on. anyway, I'm just too lazy to change it and there might be one or two people out there who appreciate my opinions.
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Jul 22, 2005 2:16:10 PM CDT
Funny how all of the Whedon fanatics couldn't keep the show
by computerguy68
who knows, this could be Star Trek all over again. Or not. We'll see soon I guess. So WHAT is the correct order for these episodes. I got them all when the show first came out but never I never really knew the correct order. Oh I also have the original unaired pilot, is the the one to start out with?
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If they're running them in correct order, where does that put the Train Job?
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hey warp - I'd say most of your concerns/complaints are well taken care of in the upcoming movie (I caught a screening). 4 out of 5 of them. I would attribute the lack of an overreaching arc in Firefly (though there are hints of one) to the fact that they were only given half of a season.
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Jul 22, 2005 3:04:43 PM CDT
I'll second that one zer0cool2k2, Now & Again deserved bette
by computerguy68
Actualy since then, I've hardly given that network a second look. Finally found the first eight episodes of that great show on the net. Too good indeed...
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Jul 22, 2005 3:08:55 PM CDT
NO I have the UNAIRED pilot, the one fox made them do over
by computerguy68
It even has on it "NOT FOR AIR" during the whole thing...
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but compared to the Peacekeeper Wars it's excellent.
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Or the show I always get confused with "Once & Again." N & A is the one where the guy gets hit by a train and then rebuilt or something, right? I heard good things about the show while it was on, but I never caught it.
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The following is the order the episodes appear on the DVD set (which is the way Wheadon want them shown), not production order of broadcast order: 1. SERENITY (2 hours) 2. THE TRAIN JOB 3. BUSHWHACKED 4. SHINDIG 5. SAFE 6. OUR MRS. REYNOLDS 7. JAYNESTOWN 8. OUT OF GAS 9. ARIEL 10. WAR STORIES 11. TRASH 12. THE MESSAGE 13. HEART OF GOLD 14. OBJECTS IN SPACE I'm *assuming* that Sci-Fi will follow the same order.
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Jul 22, 2005 3:31:27 PM CDT
Thanks Damitol, and Ribbons YES you are correct about N&A
by computerguy68
Copies and pastes the list...
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Just cause I love that big moron.
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But why...why would Fox run them in the wrong order? Why?
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Jul 22, 2005 4:26:33 PM CDT
Warp 11, how can the guys with Blue Gloves not seem "scary" when
by prozacmorris
And they don't seem to care who they kill? That's pretty f'in scary if you ask me.
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Jul 22, 2005 4:27:55 PM CDT
And for the record, I know the Blue Gloves don't MELT people
by prozacmorris
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Now personally Battlestar Galactica is still my favorite, but mainly because that series is still on the air. I'm extemely curious to see how this does in the ratings. There are a lot of people who've never heard of this show (believe it or not), so ratings will be some indicator of how well Serenity will do. My favorite episode is the one where Jayne is dumb, followed by the one where Kaylee is cute, then the one where River is crazy, close behind is the one where Book says something cryptic and wise. The one where Mal shows his ass off in tight pants is pretty good too.
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Firefly, Stargate SG-1, Stargate Atlantis, and Battlestar Galactica. What more could you ask for. Well, if Farscape was thrown in there with new episodes, Utopia would exist.
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I never paid any attention to Whedon, and used to sneer when anybody brought up BUFFY or ANGEL. But, not long ago, I happened to pass by FIREFLY at the video store and picked it up for the hell of it. I work long hours, and sometimes it's easier to watch a TV show than a movie. Anyway, I fell in love with the show and its characters. Now I get why people go nuts over Whedon. I'm just starting season 4 of BUFFY, and will pick up ANGEL after I run out of those. And, hopefully, Sci-Fi can revive FIREFLY the way they revived STARGATE SG-1.
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The countdown to Serenity has officially begun, I guess. Are ther going to be any extras along with the broadcasts, like clips from the movie or anything? DOes anybody know?
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Jul 22, 2005 5:26:38 PM CDT
Someday there'll be a Firefly/Serenity Talkback without some
by total geekazoid
But it probably won't be in our lifetimes.
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Jul 22, 2005 5:27:37 PM CDT
Someday there'll be a Firefly/Serenity Talkback without some
by total geekazoid
But it probably won't be in our lifetimes.
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When the original Star Trek was syndicated after cancellation, local affiliates would air it instead of the network programming and in many case it got higher ratings than competition. I wonder how Firefly will do compared to Sci-Fi's current shows. I also wonder how many people will be seeing it for the first time, not realizing this is not a new show, but one that they just missed the first time around. I missed most of the episodes when they were on FOX, so if nothing else, I'm curious to see how they work with commercial breaks.
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Jul 22, 2005 6:00:06 PM CDT
I hope sci-fi includes the voiceovers that introduced each new e
by serious black
I can't believe they didn't include those on the DVD. They weren't just a rehash of what happened previously, they actually helped explain the world a little.
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He's joining the cast of Smallivlle next year playing Braniac with the possibility of a Spike tv movie once Joss gives the go ahead. Cool news indeed.
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The same thing is true on the Buffy DVDs, where they omit the "previous on Buffy . . . ." Most people I talk to would prefer to have them, I wonder why Mutant Enemy DVDs choose to omit them.
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WOW!!!!!!BRAINIAC????JEEEZ LOUISE! So, I'm pretty much hoping Whedon gives those of us who like this particular show some good closure. The way he was forced to end the series as he did, we need some loose ends tied.
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The Fire Fly, that is. And . . . Shiny!
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title says it all.
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So... "western" in a metaphorical sense, but not literal, the way Firefly did. So your allusion is thin. Firefly was a great show, despite the western aspects.
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Or did I just make that up?
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Yes.
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I watched it again tonight. Cripes it's a cringingly bad show. Cowboys and spaceships go together about as well as milk & tequila.
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I'd kill to find those eps of Now & Again. I've been clamoring for a DVD release forever, but apparently the powers that be don't really care to produce a box set with a guaranteed sale of one. Personally, i blame ABc for airing the chick-flicky Once & Again at roughly the same time. I loved Now & Again, and that's not just the Milk & Tequila talking.
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Or is Sci-Fi formatting it differently (I can't imagine that'd be the case, since BG airs widescreen).
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Why did this get cancelled? Why??!!
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To see Firefly on TV again and with a Sci-fi logo in the corner... very cool.
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I like the pilot, but it is one of the weaker episodes. The catch is you really need to tune in to the early episodes to fully appreciate the masterpieces that come later on. Starting with Episode 7 (I think), Jaynestown, most of the remaining episodes are all pretty fantastic.
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Hey, Zer, if you have the Trio Channel on your cable system, keep an eye out. They, occasionally, run a "Best Cancelled Series" block of shows. Now and Again is always on there. I've watched the entire series twice since it was cancelled!!! Michael Wiseman and "The Eggman"...Suh-weeet!!! Everytime I see Eric Close on Without A Trace, I start doing lines from Now and Again, "Oh, so he's the first version of me? Remind me to introduce myself at the next union meeting." HEE HEE! I miss that fuckin' show!!! Glad to find a fellow fan. (I guess you and I were the audience!). I hope this helps!
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Jul 23, 2005 4:29:10 AM CDT
Yeah, The Pilot Lays The Foundation For The Most Part
by prophet jeremiah
But it's necessary to appreciate what comes later. If you're new to the series and saw the pilot, try to imagine each subsequent episode without having seen it. Apparently someone at FOX thought this was a good idea.
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Jul 23, 2005 5:14:13 AM CDT
Firefly is fucking brilliant and the international Serenity trai
by assking
I was not a Joss Whedon fan and I only became a browncoat a few weeks ago, but I love the shit out of the show now. Anyone who hasn't seen it should just buy the DVD set while Amazon has it on sale--it's that good. Best episodes are "Jaynestown," "Our Mrs Reynolds," "Out of Gas" and "Objects in Space."
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When will we know how well (or poor) Firefly did on its first Sc-fi Friday?
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I'll continue, too. Seemed cool.
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Wow, after that crappy american one trailer, I didn't expect much. Way better. Did you know they used the crap american trailer to try to lure licensees? A friend in the industry was shocked I liked Firefox as she'd only seen the american trailer and in her words they practically laughed in universal's face.
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If you want them I'll give you my email address to point you in the right direction. I wont post the site up here, (I don't want them shut down)
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Gotta agree, the international trailer looks a lot better. I'm really not sure what they were going for with the first one. The International one has more of a focus, whereas the first one is just all over the place. I hope a new American trailer is in the works.
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This movie will be a big money maker . the browncoats website has a zillion new posts every day and about 43,000 signed up members with 70-100 on the board at any one time..if the movie makes 50 or 60 million and sells the same amount of DVD's as the series which is definitely going to happen it will make a lot of money.Whover thinks this is suck tv is a moron , sure it may not be for you but to say it sucks well your a douche..dr douche by the way is a very fitting nickname for the retart about 40 posts up.
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I gotta agree with everyone about the superiority of the international trailer. I can't understand why certain decisions were made to cut the american trailer the way it is when the international one makes the movie look a lot more fun. The trailer showing in theaters now is doing nothing to grab the interests of anyone not already familiar with the film. It comes off looking like a B sci-fi movie that takes itself waaaay to seriously without having the effects to justify it. I want this movie to do as well as possible and the current trailer sure isn't helping.
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Most people who don't watch Buffy wouldn't be interested in a show from the creator of. The international one mentions it, but it doesn't seem like that's how they're trying to market it. They just made a trailer that looks interesting. It's like the American trailer was made for people who already knew about the show, and there just aren't that many. Although we are growing.
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The more I think about it and read other posts, the more that first trailer bothers me. Now again, I haven't seen the film, so for all I know that trailer does a great job of capturing the flavor of the film than the international one. But the international just looks like the film is going to be more fun. Whedon's always had the funny down, it seems strange not to play to his strengths in dialogue. The feel of the first trailer is just too dark, and as has been stated, in a B movie kind of way. A good example of showcasing the strengths of a movie in a trailer well was The Fantastic Four. Those initial attempts were awful, but as each subsequent trailer was released, the guys in marketing zoomed in on the selling points of the film (namely The Human Torch). Based on the opening weekend of FF, I'd say the trailers HAD to have made a difference. Yeah I know it isn't cheap to keep doing these things, but I think for this film to move beyond the Browncoat base a new trailer is a necessity. Part of what killed the Firefly series were poor marketing decisions. If anybody who reads these boards has any pull, I suggest whispering into Whedon's ear every 10 minutes, "So how about working on a new trailer. We got a new trailer yet? Hey, I got some ideas for a new trailer."
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Jul 23, 2005 11:33:48 PM CDT
Joss, New Trailer. New Trailer, Joss. How's Work Coming On
by prophet jeremiah
Not that I have any pull :) cause I dont. I agree with you 100 percent though, Mr. Clemens. Joss seems like the kind of guy who knows people who would check AICN regularly, perhaps he prowls these boards himself sometimes. If that's the case, I just want to jump up and down waving my arms right along with you. Perhaps those of us who like Whedon's work err on the side of not wanting to say anything negative so as not to give the Whedon haters ammunition. The time has come for tough love. Joss, that trailer sucks ass. You should have it fixed.
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That is all.
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It's easy to bitch about what's wrong with the trailer, so I thought I'd offer some suggestions instead of just tearing it down. The problem with making a trailer, it seems to me, is that you don't want to put your best stuff in it or there's no point in seeing the movie. However if the trailer is bland, no one's going to be there to see your great movie. It's probably a difficult balancing act, but it has been done successfully. War of the World's trailers managed to get you interested without giving away too much. One thing missing from the trailer, it seems to me, is Jayne. Jayne often stole scenes in the series and based on the reviews I've read, Jayne is as strong in this film as he was in the series. Jayne should be front and center, or at least more visible. Dump the "From the Creator of." I know it probably sounds like blasphemy, but I don't think that helps and may actually hurt the movie. It seems without stars, they're trying to maket Whedon as the star of the film, but it's the wrong way to do it. Here's a radical concept, if you want to showcase Whedon, do it by showcasing his work. The international trailer goes a long way toward doing that. It's entertaining, showcases good dialogue, and flows together. Show us how good the film is, don't tell us. Dump the crazy fu scene or whatever that is, you combine that with the Buffy and Angel credit, and you've got what looks like a Matrix knockoff from the creator of Buffy. Get some better music. It doesn't matter if the music is in the movie or not, just as long as it captures the feel. The current track used is appalling bad. It screams WB all over it. That may be the demographic being targeted, but based on people I know who enjoyed Firefly, that's a mistake. It's like footage was given to the marketing people with these instructions, "It's a sci-fi movie directed by the guy who made Buffy, now make a trailer." Market this as a hip science fiction film, not as a teenage Smallvillesque version of what sci-fi is. Just a few of my thoughts. I suspect many, if not all are unworkable for reasons I haven't considered, but I tried.
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everything went bright yellow! There I was, getting ready to read the Firefly posts and searing pain shot through my corneas blinding me for 2 minutes. I staggered around screaming, "My eyes! My eyes!" Are we under attack?
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I escaped with only second degree burns though. Bazooms, I think you've got some good thoughts. I may have more to say after my eyes heal.
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Sadly, not with my friends on the Firefly board. I had the same reaction. About 50 moths crashed through the glass of my window to get to the screen. Kudos Bazooms, well thought out and seems to me dead on. Of course, what the Hell do I know?
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More Jayne always seems like a good idea. The absence from the trailer is sort of odd. Maybe it's like you said, he may have the best lines and to put them in the trailer would take something away from that. It would be similar to a trailer for Aliens using all the Bill Paxton stuff. I never saw a trailer for Aliens, so I'm curious what they did. In fact, I may just surf around and try to find one. I agree totally on the music. And it kicks in about halfway through completely changing tone. I don't know if this thing was put together just under deadline or what, but lack of care or concern about the material shows. Not so sure about dropping From the Creator of though. It isn't a given that because you're a Buffy fan you know this movie exists. And it seems reasonable that if you like Buffy, this may be a movie you'd enjoy. I understand you're reasoning, just not sure.
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I apologize to everything I was even thinking about this show. Not worth going into, but FUCK was I wrong. Not what I thought at all and boy am I glad.
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Just watched both trailers again a couple of times (still can't find one for Aliens) and was trying to decide why the second one is so much better than the first one when they use a lot of the same footage. The first one seems like the whole angle is "Buffy In Space," like whoever was making it didn't trust the material to sell the film so went, well Buffy has fans so we'll appeal to those people. The second one metions the Buffy connection, but so briefly it doesn't push the association too far, just lets people know the pedigree of this film. It also seemed the 2nd one has a consistent tone and trys to capture what the film is about, plot-wise and and tone wise. I retract my earlier thoughts Bazooms, I think the Buffy connection needs to be downplayed in a subsequent trailer, if there is one. Pushing Buffy plus the River Fu scene combined with that music is too much.
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Thanks for the feedback PJ. I'm really too drunk to chat back atcha, plus the screen is driving into my brain.
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Over on the V talkback, some gems there.
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Jul 24, 2005 2:02:06 PM CDT
Whedon better no cast anyone from the Buffyverse for Wonder Woma
by mr. profit
I don't want to see a film with a fucking anorexic lead actress cough SMG cough. The only sexy Whedon women are Alexa and Gina. SMG looks like shit now. Eliza is wrong because Wonder Woman isn't a dyke. Charisma is strictly a TV actress. Hannigan is too "Cute". Emma is fugly. Amber is not on the radar. And Morena has a cute face, nice rack and a flat fucking ass. I like Whedon. I loved Buffy and never missed an ep, even when it got wack when it was at UPN. But I hope they cast a girl who is beautiful, tall, and athletic. No more little women kicking ass. WW is a fucking Amazon, not a 5'2 105 pound valley girl. I'll try to give Firefly another shot.
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Jul 24, 2005 2:04:54 PM CDT
And only Whedon fans recognize the "Pedigree" of shows like Buff
by mr. profit
Because when the Serenity trailer played people saw From The Creator OF Buffy the Vampire Slayer and many groaned. I know you all feel Firefly will be a huge hit, but seriously non fans are not going to spend ten bucks for it opening weekend.
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I am amazed so many people hate Whedon just because of Angel and Buffy. Well... those shows weren't my favorites so maybe I'm not amazed. Actually I really didn't like Buffy or Angel. Actually I hated Buffy.
BUT I watched Firefly today! Firefly didn't have the suck that Buffy and Angel had. It just didn't have the suck. It was good. I liked it. I'm gonna go see Serenity. You should too. Okay I'm done. -
Who said it's going to be a huge hit , it was made for 40 million dollars if they hit 50 - 60 million worldwide and add in DVD sales and TV contracts it will be a nice money maker. I think it can make at least 50 - 60 million in the theaters. Maybe I'm wrong but we will see in septmeber.
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Or is it just a drive-by flaming mentality. "Hmmmm, it's a Firely post so they MUST be saying certain things. I'll type something and leave." Of course most flamers usually check back to see if they've gotten a response. There's been a great discussion about "From the creator of" actually hurting the film, and we get a post saying that apparently no one posting has considered this possibility. That, followed by I know some of you think this is going to be a huge hit. Am I missing a thred somewhere? Where are all these "huge hit" optimists? That's why it's so hard to give you flamers any credibility when you post anywhere because it's obvious you lack the attention span or desire to follow a discussion before contributing to it.
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Kaylee can be my Venus in Furs anytime.
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I predict a total US box office take of 18 million. If i'm wrong on the low side, excellent. International may add another 3-4 million.
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Okay, don't get your panties wadded yet. On DVD if it sells 500k copies you're looking at another 10 million. Decent. Add in dvd rentals of maybe 3-4 million. Then do tv stuff. I'd be shocked if they make all their money back. Sorry. I dig Firefly but I'm not convinced it'll do the kind of numbers you guys expect. $40 million is a lot for a show with no real FX and no stars. What did Whedon take on it..$3-4 million total? Bet he did. -
Jul 24, 2005 4:28:41 PM CDT
It wasn't here, it was on previous Serenity talkbacks. And y
by mr. profit
Eventhough the fanatics do get out of hand. I am a supporter of Whedon, Buffy, Angel, and his future projects. I believe his WW will be decent. And I also believe that he should have probably directed The Fantastic Four since that comic is a bit comedic. Anyhow, I keep reading on AintItCool that people believe it's going to be the film of September. Expectations need to be lowered. The only reason I'm seeing it is because my brother is a Firefly fanatic. But bring on a BTVS film and I'm there.And if you really look at it, if Firefly averaged 6 million viewers, the film should easily make 60 mil in the US. I hate being accused of being a "HATER". Sorry if I did not get my point in my original post across clearly.
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OK, peace. I assume you were talking about my post. I am only recently a Firefly fan. I missed it when it first came out. I'm hardly a rabid Whedonite or whatever term is used to describe the over zealous people. It just pissed me off that people who like the show were discussing the very point you made in your post. Hardly turning a blind eye to the weaknesses of the trailer. It seemed like just that sort of random posting made for no other purpose than to mock someone else's show and the people who watch it. Hugs.
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I guess it's the yellow color that is making me feel so sappy.
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Jul 24, 2005 6:29:00 PM CDT
I'm One Of Those Who Think A MODEST Sleeper Hit Is POSSIBLE
by mark twain
The reason I think so, as I've stated in past posts, is due almost exclusively to the strength of the browncoats and the quality of the film. IF the browncoat devotion runs deep enough to keep Serenity in theaters, the hoped for quality of the film could lead to word-of-mouth that will give the film legs. Since I'm not a browncoat and haven't seen the film, those two factors are unknowns. Do the browncoats number in hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands? I don't know. My growing concern for this film (because I want it to do well financially) is every time I see that trailer while watching another movie and observe audience reaction. It's best described as indifferent. I think the sneaks are great as a way of rallying the base, but it's starting to look like there won't be much help in the way of marketing muscle. Now I know we're still 2 months out, so there may be a master plan at work in this department.
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So I'm thinking about this some more, and what really bugs me about that first trailer is that it feels like the recycling of television ideas to movie like Bewitched. I think most television shows that have become films have been duds, mostly because the idea of going to a movie is that you expect something that you can't get on television. The only two exceptions I can think of off the top of my head, are The Flinstones and The Fugitive. Both of those films just took the concept of the original and justified the transition to the theaters, The Flintstones by being live action and The Fugitive with an R rating and some great action sequences. I just thought of Scooby Doo too, as going from animated to sort of live action. Of course The Dukes of Hazard could prove me wrong, but I think it's going to go more the way of The Beverly Hillbillies than The Fugitive. I think people are leery of these kinds of films, so playing up the Buffy and Angel angle isn't helping, when you don't have stars of incredible effects in the trailer, combined with the PG-13 rating. I've watched the international trailer a few more times and although it's hard to seperate my bias for the show from it, it just feels more entertaining in a Star Wars kind of way. What made Star Wars so much fun was Han Solo, you got the idea that the film had a sense of humor and this wasn't "serious science-fiction dammit" that tends to turn off as many people as it attracts. The international trailer has that feel. The first one screams "for those who think it's cool to like stuff no one else does, have we got a movie for you." Firefly was incredibly accessable, the trailer should try to show that.
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Wow, one of the things I hate about star wars/star trek is that the scripts are all so deadly serious. Just wish they'd use the international trailer here as it shows what Firefly is really about...fun :)
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That was one of the thing's I was trying to get at. I agree with you about Star Trek, way too serious for me. I thought the first and second Star Wars movies were fun though, not the new ones they made. Han Solo always seemed to be having a ball, even when getting frozen. It might not be a realistic response, but it was sure entertaining. Firefly always felt like that too. That's why I watch television or go to the movies, to have fun.
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But I couldn't stand Buffy or Angel, not that I would say you're an idiot for liking it, but I love me some Firefly. The trailer is ass and my brother, a huge Whedon Buffy Angel fan, just groaned when it was on. I would love to see this movie make money, but not for sequels, but to get more quality space stuff on TV, like more Firefly. Am I the only person who likes sci fi but hates Stargate? I dug the movie alright, but that show is so bland. Didn't I see previews of an ep recently with Wayne Brady playing an alien?
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Jul 25, 2005 12:56:03 AM CDT
I'd Hate To See This Movie Not Get A Fair Shot Because Of A
by mark twain
I don't think it's unreasonable to think that a good trailer can make a difference. For a lot of people, the trailer is going to be the only thing that determines whether or not they are interested in seeing the film What's particularly galling is to look at two different trailers and get a completely different feeling based on viewing them. I wonder how hard it would be just to substitute the international trailer for the one currently making the rounds in the theaters. That way the extra expense would be minimal. One indication that marketing isn't being given much attention, is the Serenity official website. The international trailer isn't even on the site. While the presence of the trailer on that site probably won't make much of a difference, it's the fact that it isn't there which is symptomatic of what is, or rather isn't, being done. Having just typed this, I'm gonna follow Bazooms lead and do something constructive other than bitching. I'll send an email directly to the site. Probably won't do anything, but if others care to follow who feel the same way, maybe a whole lotta nothings will add up to something.
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Went to the serenity site and sent an email asking them to use the international trailer.
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Jul 25, 2005 3:24:19 AM CDT
Too bad for Firefly--- Battlestar Galactica is how SciFi should
by zerocorpse
No snarky banter, no Joss Whedon, no chewing the scenery, no actors winking at the audience the whole time. I much prefer BSG to Firefly, and being on SciFi just means that Firefly fans can have a look at how lame Firefly looks next to a real SciFi show like BSG.
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Because that's the show that's on the air! Once again it's not an either or. I'll be sending my email to the site too. I have no problems liking both series. Why does it have to be a my series can beat up your series attitude? Can't we all just get along? And bring back Star Blazers, while we're talking about apples and oranges and tangerines.
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Shouldn't be too hard to find the site.
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serenitymovie.com
Pissboy I hope your projections are wrong because if your right I doubt we see anymore of Firefly..Dark Water has Jeniffer Connelly and her 2 big boobs and so far it has only made 23 million and she's a much bigger star then anyone on Firefly but here's hoping the browncoats show up in droves!! I guess maybe 40 - 60 million might have been a bit over the top. -
I was looking for Firefly. Doh!
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When the torture by yellow ends?
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See, for me, BSG is exactly the kind of sci fi I hate: it's serious. life is not serious. i know very few people who are serious all the time. those people suck and I tru not to be around them. most everybody i know is sarcastic and snarky on a 24/7 basis. but like most sci-fi BSG falls into that realm of written by smart people who have some weird notion humor is lost in the future.
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Starring Morgan Freeman as Shepard Book, Catherine Zeta-Jones as Inara, the Rock as Jayne, Hilary Duff as Kaylee, your man from the OC and mr & mrs smith as Simon, Lindsay Lohan as Rver, Jimmy Fallon as Wash, Halle Berry as Zoe and Ewan McGregor (with eye patch) as Mal. C'mon people! It'll be shiny!
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What possible purpose can't it accomplish? You know the browncoats are going to come out and defend it. And you know it's just going to lead to a flaming -
Thats what people do , bash and flame..Im not worried about how the movie will do , I think it will be a money maker in the long run which I am sure is exactly what the studio is also thinking. The series has a huge audience now and the new trailer looks great.
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The Browncoat website has over 43,000 members , and in the last day or so over 230 people joined..right now there is 110 people live on the message board..Pretty damn impressive for a cancelled tv show.
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I may actually have to check out the message board. It may answer some of the concerns I've been expressing here. Thanks for putting the thought in my head. Of course I'm reluctant to leave AICN while the V for Vendetta talkbalk is in full swing. Unlike the Superman talkbalk, this one has some great ongoing hilarity. I'm just enjoying the carnage so much, I hate to leave.
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Don't you feel even a little guilty? Yes the V talkback is madness, but V Talkback didn't use to the playground of the crazies before a certain someone "mistakenly" confused a comic book with a television series. Oddly enough, anarchy has reigned in those talkbacks ever since. Coincidence?
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At least I don't think so. The chaos that is the V Talkback (and why do I think Alan Moore would somehow be pleased?) is it's own special beast. MAYBE by posting what I did when I did, it alerted the TBers that Moore fans were especially easy to inflame. Maybe. I did find it interesting that all the wierd ones that are off topic seem to be going there. The usual suspects have chosen to stake out turf in what was here to fore a weak talkback. But then factor in that the trailer was just released, generating a bigger audience for whatever insanity someone wanted to hawk. Combine that with it sitting at the top of the board for so long, and I think it's more of a case of a perfect storm. So I'm not claiming responsibility for this one PJ. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. And if you'll excuse me, I need to call my attorney and see if there are any liability issues.
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Jul 25, 2005 8:57:16 PM CDT
Don't Forget The Timing Of Changing The Background To Yellow
by prophet jeremiah
I think throwing that into the mix was also a magic ingredient. It at least showed where all the people were paying attention and that had to be attractive to a certain group of posters.
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Can't emphasize the effect yellow has on the psyche enough. On another note, I accidentally changed my password on my email right after sending my piss in the wind comment on the trailer to the Serenity site, so I have no idea how they responded, if anyone did at all. Did you get any feedback?
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Cause I thought I answered you and you answered back.
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