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FIREFLY: THE COMPLETE SERIES Finally Gets Televised, Starting Tonight On Sci-Fi!!

I am – Hercules!!

The SciFi Channel is doing what Fox never did: running all the “Firefly” episodes produced, and running them in the correct order.

I reckon they’ll have run though all 15 hours right about the time its big-screen sequel, “Serenity,” hits cinemas Sept. 30.

Here’s what the press was saying about the show just before its September 2002 premiere:

TV Guide says:

Negative buzz attached itself to Firefly after Fox asked Whedon to film a new first episode. But from what little we've seen, Firefly looks ambitious, provocative and original. Underestimate the gifted Whedon at your own peril.

Variety says:

Cheeky and charming, Joss Whedon's attempt to fuse oaters with "Star Trek" is just silly enough to work but there's plenty of B-movie attraction here to win over young Friday night viewers who have little else to choose from at 8:00. …"Firefly's" wide spectrum of characters is its greatest asset, since any of its ensemble could take center stage from week to week. Mal and Book seem to be the leaders, but that every personality trait is represented, from pouty to dangerous to intellectual, is a perfect way to hide some of its flaws (most notably a reliance on cartoon violence and ridiculously staged stunts that could have given way to more creative methods of larceny). … Whedon, who directed and co-wrote the debut, has also taken a page from "The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr." a years-old, short-lived series that likewise brought sarcasm and impudence to a genre that until then was strictly serious. "Firefly" has a lot of wink-wink dialogue, breezy acting and sexual chemistry that's never appeared in the science-fiction TV realm, and it's all executed by some very likable people.

The Hollywood Reporter says:

In a new season largely bereft of innovative ideas or daring concepts, "Firefly" stands out like a supermodel at a bus stop. In this, the first series by "Buffy" creator Joss Whedon under his development deal with Fox, he combines the sci-fi and Western formats, peppers them with wit and action and comes up with something truly original and highly watchable. … You might think it would be impossible to find an intersection between the high-tech world of sci-fi and the low-tech world of Westerns, but Whedon pulls it off. Mostly, he does this by avoiding the gaudier elements of sci-fi and creating a universe with a mixture of technologies, barren landscapes and an Asian influence.

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  • July 22, 2005, 9:48 a.m. CST

    The Isn't Really That Important...

    by DanielKurland

    Sure it's cool, and I'm probably one of the biggest supporters of Firefly ever, but Canada has aired the entire show for awhile, a long with Miracles and Wonderfalls. It's a good step, but it's been done before.

  • July 22, 2005, 9:49 a.m. CST

    So i'm First, but I blow by putting a typo in my subject lin

    by DanielKurland

  • July 22, 2005, 9:54 a.m. CST


    by Grando

    ... Sci-Fi in the UK has been running them all for years.

  • July 22, 2005, 9:55 a.m. CST

    BSG 2.2 talkback?

    by PVIII

    Just a wonderin. Haven't a billion people already picked this up on dvd? Who's left to watch?

  • July 22, 2005, 10:02 a.m. CST

    If you haven't seen this show...

    by Childe Roland is worth watching. But I'd probably only strongly recommend the pilot, to get your footing, and then "Our Mrs. Reynolds," "Out of Gas" and "Objects in Space" as pretty good TV. The rest is pretty forgettable.

  • July 22, 2005, 10:05 a.m. CST

    who cares?

    by Dick Fitzwell

    How many talkbacks regarding teh show are we going to be subjected to? I's been cancelled people. It's dead, it's over. The movie is going to tank, period. Go ahead and flame on all you want, but it's true. Let it go.....

  • July 22, 2005, 10:17 a.m. CST

    I CARE

    by Krangelus

    this show rocks, and more people should watch it. Firefly rocks.

  • July 22, 2005, 10:18 a.m. CST

    No one cares

    by BatShtCrazy

    Haven't you known by now Dick Fitzwell, all the Whedon freaks on these boards never let his crap die...I agree with you 100% it's cancelled and over, watching this show isn't gonna revive it, and from the reaction I've seen in theatres when the trailer has been shown the movie will bomb and hopefully all this firefly nonsense will be done with...flame if ya want but it won't change that this show is gone and will stay that way.

  • July 22, 2005, 10:18 a.m. CST

    I'm no fan of Buffy or Angel, but as for Firefly...

    by Cletus Van Damme

    ...some of the best TV (and characters) on TV, glad to have it back.

  • July 22, 2005, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Not for nothing...

    by RenoNevada2000

    But I seem to recall mentioning this back a few months ago before SciFi even made their officail announcement...

  • July 22, 2005, 10:42 a.m. CST

    And wouldn't you know it, I just now got me the DVD.

    by The Pusher

    Oh well.

  • July 22, 2005, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Could this mean

    by lethalegg

    there's hope for Freakylinks?

  • July 22, 2005, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Yeah, people why voice your opinion

    by zer0cool2k2

    When a show you like is being mentioned here, why should you talk about it? It will get cancelled, or end after 7 years (proving that other posters were right, and it sucked). Just be quiet and let the airwaves get filled with shows about dancin' and singin' and trailerpark police raids. Or tune into the CSI network, or the Law & Order Network. But whatever you do, don't log onto a website about movies and genre and expect to discuss them without someone calling you an asskisser, an idiot, or a plant. Geez, people when are you going to learn to just shutup and stare at you Tv blankly and take the crap the network geniuses and advertisers deem fit to dole out?

  • July 22, 2005, 11:04 a.m. CST


    by chrth

    I won't watch it, but shiny!

  • July 22, 2005, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Should i give this show a 2nd chance?

    by Man Juice

    I tried lookig at it when it originally ran on fox. I fell asleep, dreamt i was watching it and fell asllep in my dream too. Is it worth a 2nd look? is it that good as the brown coats suggest?

  • July 22, 2005, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Ah, if it isn't...

    by Childe Roland

    ...the accursed Man Juice! Yeah, MJ, it's worth a look. Like I said above, the pilot (not the one they aired as the pilot on Fox) gives you a pretty good grounding in the universe (although it's a bit of a boring episode) and then there's about three stand-out episodes that I'd classify as good-to-really-good TV. The rest will induce REM sleep. So DVR it and choose carefully. Oh, I nearly forgot: Blast you, and such.

  • July 22, 2005, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Give it a 2nd chance

    by RenoNevada2000

    The 2 hour premier (are they airing that in 2 parts or the next two weeks?) is pretty good and sets things up nicely. The style of writing might not be to everyone's tastes, admitedly, but its a well thoughtout and crafted show, and you don't see that much on tv anymore, regardless of the genre.

  • July 22, 2005, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Just give it a chance.

    by gurglesnap

    As of now, the dvd set has 1411 reviews on Amazon, and the overwhelming majority of them give it five stars. (To compare and contrast, the Buffy sets only get about 400 reviews each. These aren't just rabid Whedon-ites writing the reviews.) FIREFLY took everything that was good about Whedon's other shows and jettisoned the crap. No, watching will not revive the series, but that's not the point. It's just good entertainment. Give it a sincere shot.

  • July 22, 2005, 11:32 a.m. CST

    This show is awesome. I hope they get budget for new eps from Sc

    by Cherub Rock

    Also, "it's cancelled, so get over it" is the most retarded argument I've ever heard for ignoring a TV show. many of the best shows get cancelled. If Firefly is so crap and my judgment so off, how come every person I've ever talked to who has seen the show loves it and raves about it? zer0cool2k2, you are my hero for today (despite your name)

  • July 22, 2005, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Childe Roland

    by Cherub Rock

    P.S.: Couldn't disagree with more. I didn't get that at all from the 14 released episodes, they seemed pretty consistent to me. Message to all of you out there in cyberspace: curl up in bed with a hot drink and watch the DVD in sequence, you'll (hopefully) be hooked quickly.

  • July 22, 2005, 11:42 a.m. CST

    by foreignerbelt

    if the pilot was boring then I am in for some awesomeness because I thought that the (2 hour) pilot was phenomenal. I have gone on a Firefly downloading frenzy since seeing it the other day. (Dear FBI: that is not true I would never do that).

  • July 22, 2005, 11:47 a.m. CST

    People still haven't seen this series yet?

    by IAmLegolas

    What, are you still in the VCR age? Buy a DVD player already and go rent the series, geezus.

  • July 22, 2005, 11:55 a.m. CST

    by foreignerbelt

    well most of us assumed that it sucked dude. even after watching a little bit of it.

  • July 22, 2005, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Thanks all...

    by Man Juice

    I'll check it out. Hey Childe, remember when you thought a Thesauras was "the dinosaur with the LOng neck" ? you have come a long way young sir. By the by, does this show on any other night than friday? I have a separate life on the Outernet (tm) and dont yet have tivo, so if anyone knows when it reruns, i'd like to find out.

  • July 22, 2005, 12:12 p.m. CST


    by moviemaniac-7

    'Nuff said.

  • July 22, 2005, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Dr. Douche, WOW!

    by The Outlander

    How wrong can one person be? I think it official, you are now the record holder for having the most completely wrong statement in a single paragraph in the history of this website. Congratulations! I would respond to your comments point by point, but seeing that your whole statement is such an obvious work of fiction it does seem rather pointless.

  • July 22, 2005, 12:54 p.m. CST

    The Thesaurus was actually...

    by Childe Roland

    ...a very small, weak dinosaur that confused larger predators with flowery language, Man Juice. I know because I built a time machine and went back to confirm this. I accidentally killed a small, legless amphibian on that trip and, I fear, may have set back human evolution just enough to explain the current state of affairs in the world. For this I apologize. And I hope no one is misinterpreting my take on FIrefly. It wasn't a bad show by any stretch. I just really would only ever care to watch about four episodes again (and several of the remaining 10 were, indeed, uninteresting enough to put me to sleep before 10 p.m.). I'm still going to see the movie. Again... it's that selective appreciation thing that so few folks seem to believe in where Joss is concerned. Oh well.

  • July 22, 2005, 1:03 p.m. CST

    by foreignerbelt

    even the chick from Cleopatra 2525 is good in it. I dont know what that says, but it says something. course again I've only seen the pilot and the first one.

  • July 22, 2005, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Why don't the Firefly haters just "live with it" and stop co

    by andrew coleman

    I don't get the guys who click on a link about Firefly and the complain about how many people like it. Idiot you clicked on it. Also going after and bashing an original and creative show makes you look like a tool. You can go watch CSI and Desperate Housewives but leave your negative shit at the door please.

  • July 22, 2005, 1:10 p.m. CST

    To Dick Fitzwell and his crystal ball...

    by Damitol

    "How many talkbacks regarding Star Trek are we going to be subjected to? NBC cancelled it people. It's dead, it's over. Star Trek: The Motion Picture is going to tank, period. Go ahead and flame on all you want, but it's true. Let it go....." Am I saying that Firefly/Serenity is going to go on to spawn a dozen movies and almost as many TV series? Of course not, but it all started with some core and vocal fans, and a studio executive willing to see if other people would be interested in a film version of a cancelled TV show. If you didn't like the show, fair enough, but it did have some good stories, great acting and quotalbe dialog, and FOX didn't give it much support, making cancellation a foregone conclusion. "Cancelled TV show" does not always equal "Bad TV show". Most of the time, yes, but not "always". The film Serinity doesn't have to make a whole lot of money to be "sucessful" as it was made on a modest budget and will go on to sell at least as many DVDs as the series did. So - everyone involved will make money and a sequel or two will be greenlighted. No - Serenity the film will not be anywhere close to the top when the list of 2005 grosses are released, but it will do as well or better than it is expected to, which is the exact opposite of a movie tanking. "Bewitched" has already earned more box office than Serinity will in its entire run, but the Bewitched investors are probably going to end up losing money at the end of the day. It "tanked". See the difference?

  • July 22, 2005, 1:13 p.m. CST

    time travel

    by Man Juice

    funny,i always though time travel was yellow... I digress, Does serenity follow the series or is it a prequel?

  • July 22, 2005, 1:47 p.m. CST

    "You might think it would be impossible to find an intersection

    by Spike Fett

    ...that is, if you're either a godforsaken moron or a journalist for the Hollywood Reporter. See there was this little film called STAR WARS...

  • July 22, 2005, 2:08 p.m. CST

    So Quint is finally going to watch it???

    by Slim_Goodbody

    No Excuses!!

  • July 22, 2005, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Just when was Firefly suppose to get good?

    by warp11

    You never saw the canabals in space. The evil alliance, really wasn't that evil and kind of dull. THe guys with the blue latex gloves show up twice, and didn't seem that scary. The crazy sister just kept being crazy and never evolved as a character.

  • July 22, 2005, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Cherub Rock

    by zer0cool2k2

    thanks for the kind words, and for the record, my username really was kind of a joke, since I couldn't think of anything clever that hadn't been taken, and I was kinda' drunk when I first signed on. anyway, I'm just too lazy to change it and there might be one or two people out there who appreciate my opinions. And while I'm at it, can I nominate Now & Again for the "Best show to get cancelled before it's time" award?

  • July 22, 2005, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Funny how all of the Whedon fanatics couldn't keep the show

    by ComputerGuy68

    who knows, this could be Star Trek all over again. Or not. We'll see soon I guess. So WHAT is the correct order for these episodes. I got them all when the show first came out but never I never really knew the correct order. Oh I also have the original unaired pilot, is the the one to start out with?

  • July 22, 2005, 2:17 p.m. CST


    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    If they're running them in correct order, where does that put the Train Job?

  • July 22, 2005, 3:02 p.m. CST

    First the unaired pilot, then Train Job

    by idledead

    hey warp - I'd say most of your concerns/complaints are well taken care of in the upcoming movie (I caught a screening). 4 out of 5 of them. I would attribute the lack of an overreaching arc in Firefly (though there are hints of one) to the fact that they were only given half of a season.

  • July 22, 2005, 3:03 p.m. CST

    not UNaired, just aired last. (NT)

    by idledead

  • July 22, 2005, 3:04 p.m. CST

    I'll second that one zer0cool2k2, Now & Again deserved bette

    by ComputerGuy68

    Actualy since then, I've hardly given that network a second look. Finally found the first eight episodes of that great show on the net. Too good indeed...

  • July 22, 2005, 3:08 p.m. CST

    NO I have the UNAIRED pilot, the one fox made them do over

    by ComputerGuy68

    It even has on it "NOT FOR AIR" during the whole thing...

  • July 22, 2005, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Serenity only as good as a two part episode...

    by commiepinko

    but compared to the Peacekeeper Wars it's excellent.

  • July 22, 2005, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Now & Again

    by Ribbons

    Or the show I always get confused with "Once & Again." N & A is the one where the guy gets hit by a train and then rebuilt or something, right? I heard good things about the show while it was on, but I never caught it.

  • July 22, 2005, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Episode Order

    by Damitol

    The following is the order the episodes appear on the DVD set (which is the way Wheadon want them shown), not production order of broadcast order: 1. SERENITY (2 hours) 2. THE TRAIN JOB 3. BUSHWHACKED 4. SHINDIG 5. SAFE 6. OUR MRS. REYNOLDS 7. JAYNESTOWN 8. OUT OF GAS 9. ARIEL 10. WAR STORIES 11. TRASH 12. THE MESSAGE 13. HEART OF GOLD 14. OBJECTS IN SPACE I'm *assuming* that Sci-Fi will follow the same order.

  • July 22, 2005, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Thanks Damitol, and Ribbons YES you are correct about N&A

    by ComputerGuy68

    Copies and pastes the list...

  • July 22, 2005, 3:37 p.m. CST

    I'd add Jaynetown to the most watchable episodes.

    by cookylamoo

    Just cause I love that big moron.

  • July 22, 2005, 4:05 p.m. CST

    I'm almost done watching these, they're great

    by scrumdiddly

    But why...why would Fox run them in the wrong order? Why?

  • July 22, 2005, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Warp 11, how can the guys with Blue Gloves not seem "scary" when

    by ProzacMorris

    And they don't seem to care who they kill? That's pretty f'in scary if you ask me.

  • July 22, 2005, 4:27 p.m. CST

    And for the record, I know the Blue Gloves don't MELT people

    by ProzacMorris

  • July 22, 2005, 4:43 p.m. CST

    This Is Rip Your Face Off Good Television

    by Prophet Jeremiah

    Now personally Battlestar Galactica is still my favorite, but mainly because that series is still on the air. I'm extemely curious to see how this does in the ratings. There are a lot of people who've never heard of this show (believe it or not), so ratings will be some indicator of how well Serenity will do. My favorite episode is the one where Jayne is dumb, followed by the one where Kaylee is cute, then the one where River is crazy, close behind is the one where Book says something cryptic and wise. The one where Mal shows his ass off in tight pants is pretty good too.

  • July 22, 2005, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Greatest Scifi Friday ever

    by cornstalkwalker

    Firefly, Stargate SG-1, Stargate Atlantis, and Battlestar Galactica. What more could you ask for. Well, if Farscape was thrown in there with new episodes, Utopia would exist.

  • July 22, 2005, 5:01 p.m. CST

    And a good new Star Trek series by JMS

    by cookylamoo

  • July 22, 2005, 5:05 p.m. CST


    by Mosquito March

    I never paid any attention to Whedon, and used to sneer when anybody brought up BUFFY or ANGEL. But, not long ago, I happened to pass by FIREFLY at the video store and picked it up for the hell of it. I work long hours, and sometimes it's easier to watch a TV show than a movie. Anyway, I fell in love with the show and its characters. Now I get why people go nuts over Whedon. I'm just starting season 4 of BUFFY, and will pick up ANGEL after I run out of those. And, hopefully, Sci-Fi can revive FIREFLY the way they revived STARGATE SG-1.

  • July 22, 2005, 5:23 p.m. CST


    by Bazooms

    The countdown to Serenity has officially begun, I guess. Are ther going to be any extras along with the broadcasts, like clips from the movie or anything? DOes anybody know?

  • July 22, 2005, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Someday there'll be a Firefly/Serenity Talkback without some

    by Total Geekazoid

    But it probably won't be in our lifetimes.

  • July 22, 2005, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Someday there'll be a Firefly/Serenity Talkback without some

    by Total Geekazoid

    But it probably won't be in our lifetimes.

  • July 22, 2005, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Curious About The Ratings Too

    by Mark Twain

    When the original Star Trek was syndicated after cancellation, local affiliates would air it instead of the network programming and in many case it got higher ratings than competition. I wonder how Firefly will do compared to Sci-Fi's current shows. I also wonder how many people will be seeing it for the first time, not realizing this is not a new show, but one that they just missed the first time around. I missed most of the episodes when they were on FOX, so if nothing else, I'm curious to see how they work with commercial breaks.

  • July 22, 2005, 6 p.m. CST

    I hope sci-fi includes the voiceovers that introduced each new e

    by Serious Black

    I can't believe they didn't include those on the DVD. They weren't just a rehash of what happened previously, they actually helped explain the world a little.

  • July 22, 2005, 6:24 p.m. CST

    James Marsters is Braniac!!

    by Whedon

    He's joining the cast of Smallivlle next year playing Braniac with the possibility of a Spike tv movie once Joss gives the go ahead. Cool news indeed.

  • July 22, 2005, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Voice Overs Not On DVD is Puzzling

    by Prophet Jeremiah

    The same thing is true on the Buffy DVDs, where they omit the "previous on Buffy . . . ." Most people I talk to would prefer to have them, I wonder why Mutant Enemy DVDs choose to omit them.

  • July 22, 2005, 7:04 p.m. CST

    THE James Marsters!!!!!!!????????!!!!!!!!

    by cagirl

    WOW!!!!!!BRAINIAC????JEEEZ LOUISE! So, I'm pretty much hoping Whedon gives those of us who like this particular show some good closure. The way he was forced to end the series as he did, we need some loose ends tied.

  • July 22, 2005, 8:19 p.m. CST

    You Can't Take The Fly From Me

    by Diana Rules!

    The Fire Fly, that is. And . . . Shiny!

  • July 22, 2005, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Is this going to be broadcast in HDTV???

    by onetrueking

    title says it all.

  • July 22, 2005, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Except Star Wars had neither horses nor outhouses.

    by The Killer-Goat

    So... "western" in a metaphorical sense, but not literal, the way Firefly did. So your allusion is thin. Firefly was a great show, despite the western aspects.

  • July 22, 2005, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Wasn't this show done in widescreen?

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    Or did I just make that up?

  • July 22, 2005, 10:42 p.m. CST

    "Wasn't this show done in widescreen?"

    by Voice O. Reason


  • July 22, 2005, 10:55 p.m. CST

    It's even sillier the second time around!

    by fiester

    I watched it again tonight. Cripes it's a cringingly bad show. Cowboys and spaceships go together about as well as milk & tequila.

  • July 22, 2005, 11:34 p.m. CST


    by zer0cool2k2

    I'd kill to find those eps of Now & Again. I've been clamoring for a DVD release forever, but apparently the powers that be don't really care to produce a box set with a guaranteed sale of one. Personally, i blame ABc for airing the chick-flicky Once & Again at roughly the same time. I loved Now & Again, and that's not just the Milk & Tequila talking.

  • July 22, 2005, 11:48 p.m. CST

    So is the pilot not widescreen?

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    Or is Sci-Fi formatting it differently (I can't imagine that'd be the case, since BG airs widescreen).

  • July 22, 2005, 11:51 p.m. CST

    I Swear I Nearly Cried

    by Bazooms

    Why did this get cancelled? Why??!!

  • July 23, 2005, 12:36 a.m. CST

    It was nice

    by Eshu

    To see Firefly on TV again and with a Sci-fi logo in the corner... very cool.

  • July 23, 2005, 2:50 a.m. CST

    Relax. It gets better.

    by Serious Black

    I like the pilot, but it is one of the weaker episodes. The catch is you really need to tune in to the early episodes to fully appreciate the masterpieces that come later on. Starting with Episode 7 (I think), Jaynestown, most of the remaining episodes are all pretty fantastic.

  • July 23, 2005, 3:47 a.m. CST


    by Basswizard8

    Hey, Zer, if you have the Trio Channel on your cable system, keep an eye out. They, occasionally, run a "Best Cancelled Series" block of shows. Now and Again is always on there. I've watched the entire series twice since it was cancelled!!! Michael Wiseman and "The Eggman"...Suh-weeet!!! Everytime I see Eric Close on Without A Trace, I start doing lines from Now and Again, "Oh, so he's the first version of me? Remind me to introduce myself at the next union meeting." HEE HEE! I miss that fuckin' show!!! Glad to find a fellow fan. (I guess you and I were the audience!). I hope this helps!

  • July 23, 2005, 4:29 a.m. CST

    Yeah, The Pilot Lays The Foundation For The Most Part

    by Prophet Jeremiah

    But it's necessary to appreciate what comes later. If you're new to the series and saw the pilot, try to imagine each subsequent episode without having seen it. Apparently someone at FOX thought this was a good idea.

  • I was not a Joss Whedon fan and I only became a browncoat a few weeks ago, but I love the shit out of the show now. Anyone who hasn't seen it should just buy the DVD set while Amazon has it on sale--it's that good. Best episodes are "Jaynestown," "Our Mrs Reynolds," "Out of Gas" and "Objects in Space."

  • July 23, 2005, 11:28 a.m. CST

    So when can we get ratings info?

    by Eshu

    When will we know how well (or poor) Firefly did on its first Sc-fi Friday?

  • July 23, 2005, 11:40 a.m. CST

    I watched it last night

    by ejcarter9

    I'll continue, too. Seemed cool.

  • July 23, 2005, 5:11 p.m. CST

    The international trailer IS good!

    by the_pissboy1

    Wow, after that crappy american one trailer, I didn't expect much. Way better. Did you know they used the crap american trailer to try to lure licensees? A friend in the industry was shocked I liked Firefox as she'd only seen the american trailer and in her words they practically laughed in universal's face.

  • July 23, 2005, 6:13 p.m. CST

    zer0cool2k2 - Now and again

    by ComputerGuy68

    If you want them I'll give you my email address to point you in the right direction. I wont post the site up here, (I don't want them shut down)

  • July 23, 2005, 6:21 p.m. CST

    International Trailer

    by Mark Twain

    Gotta agree, the international trailer looks a lot better. I'm really not sure what they were going for with the first one. The International one has more of a focus, whereas the first one is just all over the place. I hope a new American trailer is in the works.

  • July 23, 2005, 6:26 p.m. CST

    The movie

    by optimus122

    This movie will be a big money maker . the browncoats website has a zillion new posts every day and about 43,000 signed up members with 70-100 on the board at any one time..if the movie makes 50 or 60 million and sells the same amount of DVD's as the series which is definitely going to happen it will make a lot of money.Whover thinks this is suck tv is a moron , sure it may not be for you but to say it sucks well your a douche..dr douche by the way is a very fitting nickname for the retart about 40 posts up.

  • July 23, 2005, 8:34 p.m. CST

    That Horrible Trailer

    by Prophet Jeremiah

    I gotta agree with everyone about the superiority of the international trailer. I can't understand why certain decisions were made to cut the american trailer the way it is when the international one makes the movie look a lot more fun. The trailer showing in theaters now is doing nothing to grab the interests of anyone not already familiar with the film. It comes off looking like a B sci-fi movie that takes itself waaaay to seriously without having the effects to justify it. I want this movie to do as well as possible and the current trailer sure isn't helping.

  • July 23, 2005, 10:39 p.m. CST

    On The Trailer

    by Bazooms

    Most people who don't watch Buffy wouldn't be interested in a show from the creator of. The international one mentions it, but it doesn't seem like that's how they're trying to market it. They just made a trailer that looks interesting. It's like the American trailer was made for people who already knew about the show, and there just aren't that many. Although we are growing.

  • July 23, 2005, 11:24 p.m. CST

    More Thoughts On The Trailer

    by Mark Twain

    The more I think about it and read other posts, the more that first trailer bothers me. Now again, I haven't seen the film, so for all I know that trailer does a great job of capturing the flavor of the film than the international one. But the international just looks like the film is going to be more fun. Whedon's always had the funny down, it seems strange not to play to his strengths in dialogue. The feel of the first trailer is just too dark, and as has been stated, in a B movie kind of way. A good example of showcasing the strengths of a movie in a trailer well was The Fantastic Four. Those initial attempts were awful, but as each subsequent trailer was released, the guys in marketing zoomed in on the selling points of the film (namely The Human Torch). Based on the opening weekend of FF, I'd say the trailers HAD to have made a difference. Yeah I know it isn't cheap to keep doing these things, but I think for this film to move beyond the Browncoat base a new trailer is a necessity. Part of what killed the Firefly series were poor marketing decisions. If anybody who reads these boards has any pull, I suggest whispering into Whedon's ear every 10 minutes, "So how about working on a new trailer. We got a new trailer yet? Hey, I got some ideas for a new trailer."

  • July 23, 2005, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Joss, New Trailer. New Trailer, Joss. How's Work Coming On

    by Prophet Jeremiah

    Not that I have any pull :) cause I dont. I agree with you 100 percent though, Mr. Clemens. Joss seems like the kind of guy who knows people who would check AICN regularly, perhaps he prowls these boards himself sometimes. If that's the case, I just want to jump up and down waving my arms right along with you. Perhaps those of us who like Whedon's work err on the side of not wanting to say anything negative so as not to give the Whedon haters ammunition. The time has come for tough love. Joss, that trailer sucks ass. You should have it fixed.

  • July 24, 2005, 12:05 a.m. CST

    We Love You Joss! Now Fix The Trailer.

    by Diana Rules!

    That is all.

  • July 24, 2005, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Some Constructive Thoughts I Hope

    by Bazooms

    It's easy to bitch about what's wrong with the trailer, so I thought I'd offer some suggestions instead of just tearing it down. The problem with making a trailer, it seems to me, is that you don't want to put your best stuff in it or there's no point in seeing the movie. However if the trailer is bland, no one's going to be there to see your great movie. It's probably a difficult balancing act, but it has been done successfully. War of the World's trailers managed to get you interested without giving away too much. One thing missing from the trailer, it seems to me, is Jayne. Jayne often stole scenes in the series and based on the reviews I've read, Jayne is as strong in this film as he was in the series. Jayne should be front and center, or at least more visible. Dump the "From the Creator of." I know it probably sounds like blasphemy, but I don't think that helps and may actually hurt the movie. It seems without stars, they're trying to maket Whedon as the star of the film, but it's the wrong way to do it. Here's a radical concept, if you want to showcase Whedon, do it by showcasing his work. The international trailer goes a long way toward doing that. It's entertaining, showcases good dialogue, and flows together. Show us how good the film is, don't tell us. Dump the crazy fu scene or whatever that is, you combine that with the Buffy and Angel credit, and you've got what looks like a Matrix knockoff from the creator of Buffy. Get some better music. It doesn't matter if the music is in the movie or not, just as long as it captures the feel. The current track used is appalling bad. It screams WB all over it. That may be the demographic being targeted, but based on people I know who enjoyed Firefly, that's a mistake. It's like footage was given to the marketing people with these instructions, "It's a sci-fi movie directed by the guy who made Buffy, now make a trailer." Market this as a hip science fiction film, not as a teenage Smallvillesque version of what sci-fi is. Just a few of my thoughts. I suspect many, if not all are unworkable for reasons I haven't considered, but I tried.

  • July 24, 2005, 12:51 a.m. CST

    What Were You Doing When . . .

    by Diana Rules!

    everything went bright yellow! There I was, getting ready to read the Firefly posts and searing pain shot through my corneas blinding me for 2 minutes. I staggered around screaming, "My eyes! My eyes!" Are we under attack?

  • July 24, 2005, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Thank God! I though it was my computer for a while.

    by Prophet Jeremiah

    I escaped with only second degree burns though. Bazooms, I think you've got some good thoughts. I may have more to say after my eyes heal.

  • July 24, 2005, 1:31 a.m. CST

    I Was On The "V" Thread

    by Mark Twain

    Sadly, not with my friends on the Firefly board. I had the same reaction. About 50 moths crashed through the glass of my window to get to the screen. Kudos Bazooms, well thought out and seems to me dead on. Of course, what the Hell do I know?

  • July 24, 2005, 1:42 a.m. CST

    Now That I Can Read Again . . . .

    by Prophet Jeremiah

    More Jayne always seems like a good idea. The absence from the trailer is sort of odd. Maybe it's like you said, he may have the best lines and to put them in the trailer would take something away from that. It would be similar to a trailer for Aliens using all the Bill Paxton stuff. I never saw a trailer for Aliens, so I'm curious what they did. In fact, I may just surf around and try to find one. I agree totally on the music. And it kicks in about halfway through completely changing tone. I don't know if this thing was put together just under deadline or what, but lack of care or concern about the material shows. Not so sure about dropping From the Creator of though. It isn't a given that because you're a Buffy fan you know this movie exists. And it seems reasonable that if you like Buffy, this may be a movie you'd enjoy. I understand you're reasoning, just not sure.

  • July 24, 2005, 1:52 a.m. CST

    Finally Saw It

    by Winky Man

    I apologize to everything I was even thinking about this show. Not worth going into, but FUCK was I wrong. Not what I thought at all and boy am I glad.

  • July 24, 2005, 2:28 a.m. CST

    More Reflections

    by Prophet Jeremiah

    Just watched both trailers again a couple of times (still can't find one for Aliens) and was trying to decide why the second one is so much better than the first one when they use a lot of the same footage. The first one seems like the whole angle is "Buffy In Space," like whoever was making it didn't trust the material to sell the film so went, well Buffy has fans so we'll appeal to those people. The second one metions the Buffy connection, but so briefly it doesn't push the association too far, just lets people know the pedigree of this film. It also seemed the 2nd one has a consistent tone and trys to capture what the film is about, plot-wise and and tone wise. I retract my earlier thoughts Bazooms, I think the Buffy connection needs to be downplayed in a subsequent trailer, if there is one. Pushing Buffy plus the River Fu scene combined with that music is too much.

  • July 24, 2005, 2:49 a.m. CST

    Is It Yellow In Here Or Am I Stoned?

    by Bazooms

    Thanks for the feedback PJ. I'm really too drunk to chat back atcha, plus the screen is driving into my brain.

  • July 24, 2005, 3:26 a.m. CST

    Best Yellow Posts So Far

    by Mark Twain

    Over on the V talkback, some gems there.

  • July 24, 2005, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Whedon better no cast anyone from the Buffyverse for Wonder Woma

    by Mr. Profit

    I don't want to see a film with a fucking anorexic lead actress cough SMG cough. The only sexy Whedon women are Alexa and Gina. SMG looks like shit now. Eliza is wrong because Wonder Woman isn't a dyke. Charisma is strictly a TV actress. Hannigan is too "Cute". Emma is fugly. Amber is not on the radar. And Morena has a cute face, nice rack and a flat fucking ass. I like Whedon. I loved Buffy and never missed an ep, even when it got wack when it was at UPN. But I hope they cast a girl who is beautiful, tall, and athletic. No more little women kicking ass. WW is a fucking Amazon, not a 5'2 105 pound valley girl. I'll try to give Firefly another shot.

  • July 24, 2005, 2:04 p.m. CST

    And only Whedon fans recognize the "Pedigree" of shows like Buff

    by Mr. Profit

    Because when the Serenity trailer played people saw From The Creator OF Buffy the Vampire Slayer and many groaned. I know you all feel Firefly will be a huge hit, but seriously non fans are not going to spend ten bucks for it opening weekend.

  • July 24, 2005, 3:10 p.m. CST


    by NateGrey

    I am amazed so many people hate Whedon just because of Angel and Buffy. Well... those shows weren't my favorites so maybe I'm not amazed. Actually I really didn't like Buffy or Angel. Actually I hated Buffy. BUT I watched Firefly today! Firefly didn't have the suck that Buffy and Angel had. It just didn't have the suck. It was good. I liked it. I'm gonna go see Serenity. You should too. Okay I'm done.

  • July 24, 2005, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Huge Hit?

    by optimus122

    Who said it's going to be a huge hit , it was made for 40 million dollars if they hit 50 - 60 million worldwide and add in DVD sales and TV contracts it will be a nice money maker. I think it can make at least 50 - 60 million in the theaters. Maybe I'm wrong but we will see in septmeber.

  • July 24, 2005, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Do People Who Hate This Show Even Read The Posts?

    by Bazooms

    Or is it just a drive-by flaming mentality. "Hmmmm, it's a Firely post so they MUST be saying certain things. I'll type something and leave." Of course most flamers usually check back to see if they've gotten a response. There's been a great discussion about "From the creator of" actually hurting the film, and we get a post saying that apparently no one posting has considered this possibility. That, followed by I know some of you think this is going to be a huge hit. Am I missing a thred somewhere? Where are all these "huge hit" optimists? That's why it's so hard to give you flamers any credibility when you post anywhere because it's obvious you lack the attention span or desire to follow a discussion before contributing to it.

  • July 24, 2005, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Shiny shiny. Shiny boots of leather.

    by TonyWilson

    Kaylee can be my Venus in Furs anytime.

  • July 24, 2005, 4:27 p.m. CST

    not gonna be a hit...but

    by the_pissboy1

    I predict a total US box office take of 18 million. If i'm wrong on the low side, excellent. International may add another 3-4 million. *************** Okay, don't get your panties wadded yet. On DVD if it sells 500k copies you're looking at another 10 million. Decent. Add in dvd rentals of maybe 3-4 million. Then do tv stuff. I'd be shocked if they make all their money back. Sorry. I dig Firefly but I'm not convinced it'll do the kind of numbers you guys expect. $40 million is a lot for a show with no real FX and no stars. What did Whedon take on it..$3-4 million total? Bet he did.

  • July 24, 2005, 4:28 p.m. CST

    It wasn't here, it was on previous Serenity talkbacks. And y

    by Mr. Profit

    Eventhough the fanatics do get out of hand. I am a supporter of Whedon, Buffy, Angel, and his future projects. I believe his WW will be decent. And I also believe that he should have probably directed The Fantastic Four since that comic is a bit comedic. Anyhow, I keep reading on AintItCool that people believe it's going to be the film of September. Expectations need to be lowered. The only reason I'm seeing it is because my brother is a Firefly fanatic. But bring on a BTVS film and I'm there.And if you really look at it, if Firefly averaged 6 million viewers, the film should easily make 60 mil in the US. I hate being accused of being a "HATER". Sorry if I did not get my point in my original post across clearly.

  • July 24, 2005, 4:47 p.m. CST

    The Claws Are Sheathed, For Now

    by Bazooms

    OK, peace. I assume you were talking about my post. I am only recently a Firefly fan. I missed it when it first came out. I'm hardly a rabid Whedonite or whatever term is used to describe the over zealous people. It just pissed me off that people who like the show were discussing the very point you made in your post. Hardly turning a blind eye to the weaknesses of the trailer. It seemed like just that sort of random posting made for no other purpose than to mock someone else's show and the people who watch it. Hugs.

  • July 24, 2005, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Hug you right back.

    by Mr. Profit

    I guess it's the yellow color that is making me feel so sappy.

  • July 24, 2005, 6:29 p.m. CST

    I'm One Of Those Who Think A MODEST Sleeper Hit Is POSSIBLE

    by Mark Twain

    The reason I think so, as I've stated in past posts, is due almost exclusively to the strength of the browncoats and the quality of the film. IF the browncoat devotion runs deep enough to keep Serenity in theaters, the hoped for quality of the film could lead to word-of-mouth that will give the film legs. Since I'm not a browncoat and haven't seen the film, those two factors are unknowns. Do the browncoats number in hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands? I don't know. My growing concern for this film (because I want it to do well financially) is every time I see that trailer while watching another movie and observe audience reaction. It's best described as indifferent. I think the sneaks are great as a way of rallying the base, but it's starting to look like there won't be much help in the way of marketing muscle. Now I know we're still 2 months out, so there may be a master plan at work in this department.

  • July 24, 2005, 6:55 p.m. CST

    The Problem With Television Movies

    by Bazooms

    So I'm thinking about this some more, and what really bugs me about that first trailer is that it feels like the recycling of television ideas to movie like Bewitched. I think most television shows that have become films have been duds, mostly because the idea of going to a movie is that you expect something that you can't get on television. The only two exceptions I can think of off the top of my head, are The Flinstones and The Fugitive. Both of those films just took the concept of the original and justified the transition to the theaters, The Flintstones by being live action and The Fugitive with an R rating and some great action sequences. I just thought of Scooby Doo too, as going from animated to sort of live action. Of course The Dukes of Hazard could prove me wrong, but I think it's going to go more the way of The Beverly Hillbillies than The Fugitive. I think people are leery of these kinds of films, so playing up the Buffy and Angel angle isn't helping, when you don't have stars of incredible effects in the trailer, combined with the PG-13 rating. I've watched the international trailer a few more times and although it's hard to seperate my bias for the show from it, it just feels more entertaining in a Star Wars kind of way. What made Star Wars so much fun was Han Solo, you got the idea that the film had a sense of humor and this wasn't "serious science-fiction dammit" that tends to turn off as many people as it attracts. The international trailer has that feel. The first one screams "for those who think it's cool to like stuff no one else does, have we got a movie for you." Firefly was incredibly accessable, the trailer should try to show that.

  • July 24, 2005, 8:31 p.m. CST


    by the_pissboy1

    Wow, one of the things I hate about star wars/star trek is that the scripts are all so deadly serious. Just wish they'd use the international trailer here as it shows what Firefly is really :)

  • July 24, 2005, 9:19 p.m. CST


    by Bazooms

    That was one of the thing's I was trying to get at. I agree with you about Star Trek, way too serious for me. I thought the first and second Star Wars movies were fun though, not the new ones they made. Han Solo always seemed to be having a ball, even when getting frozen. It might not be a realistic response, but it was sure entertaining. Firefly always felt like that too. That's why I watch television or go to the movies, to have fun.

  • July 24, 2005, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Perspective, not like it matters

    by Moe Ron

    But I couldn't stand Buffy or Angel, not that I would say you're an idiot for liking it, but I love me some Firefly. The trailer is ass and my brother, a huge Whedon Buffy Angel fan, just groaned when it was on. I would love to see this movie make money, but not for sequels, but to get more quality space stuff on TV, like more Firefly. Am I the only person who likes sci fi but hates Stargate? I dug the movie alright, but that show is so bland. Didn't I see previews of an ep recently with Wayne Brady playing an alien?

  • July 25, 2005, 12:56 a.m. CST

    I'd Hate To See This Movie Not Get A Fair Shot Because Of A

    by Mark Twain

    I don't think it's unreasonable to think that a good trailer can make a difference. For a lot of people, the trailer is going to be the only thing that determines whether or not they are interested in seeing the film What's particularly galling is to look at two different trailers and get a completely different feeling based on viewing them. I wonder how hard it would be just to substitute the international trailer for the one currently making the rounds in the theaters. That way the extra expense would be minimal. One indication that marketing isn't being given much attention, is the Serenity official website. The international trailer isn't even on the site. While the presence of the trailer on that site probably won't make much of a difference, it's the fact that it isn't there which is symptomatic of what is, or rather isn't, being done. Having just typed this, I'm gonna follow Bazooms lead and do something constructive other than bitching. I'll send an email directly to the site. Probably won't do anything, but if others care to follow who feel the same way, maybe a whole lotta nothings will add up to something.

  • July 25, 2005, 1:32 a.m. CST

    Sent an email

    by the_pissboy1

    Went to the serenity site and sent an email asking them to use the international trailer.

  • July 25, 2005, 3:24 a.m. CST

    Too bad for Firefly--- Battlestar Galactica is how SciFi should

    by ZeroCorpse

    No snarky banter, no Joss Whedon, no chewing the scenery, no actors winking at the audience the whole time. I much prefer BSG to Firefly, and being on SciFi just means that Firefly fans can have a look at how lame Firefly looks next to a real SciFi show like BSG.

  • July 25, 2005, 4:05 a.m. CST

    I Like BSG Better Too

    by Prophet Jeremiah

    Because that's the show that's on the air! Once again it's not an either or. I'll be sending my email to the site too. I have no problems liking both series. Why does it have to be a my series can beat up your series attitude? Can't we all just get along? And bring back Star Blazers, while we're talking about apples and oranges and tangerines.

  • July 25, 2005, 4:26 a.m. CST

    I'll Send Mine Too

    by Red Lantern

    Shouldn't be too hard to find the site.

  • July 25, 2005, 4:46 a.m. CST

    Pissboy and the site url

    by optimus122 Pissboy I hope your projections are wrong because if your right I doubt we see anymore of Firefly..Dark Water has Jeniffer Connelly and her 2 big boobs and so far it has only made 23 million and she's a much bigger star then anyone on Firefly but here's hoping the browncoats show up in droves!! I guess maybe 40 - 60 million might have been a bit over the top.

  • July 25, 2005, 5:47 a.m. CST


    by Red Lantern

    I was looking for Firefly. Doh!

  • July 25, 2005, 6:04 a.m. CST

    Does Anyone Know?

    by Diana Rules!

    When the torture by yellow ends?

  • July 25, 2005, 10:50 a.m. CST


    by the_pissboy1

    See, for me, BSG is exactly the kind of sci fi I hate: it's serious. life is not serious. i know very few people who are serious all the time. those people suck and I tru not to be around them. most everybody i know is sarcastic and snarky on a 24/7 basis. but like most sci-fi BSG falls into that realm of written by smart people who have some weird notion humor is lost in the future.

  • July 25, 2005, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Firefly: The Movie

    by Bubastis

    Starring Morgan Freeman as Shepard Book, Catherine Zeta-Jones as Inara, the Rock as Jayne, Hilary Duff as Kaylee, your man from the OC and mr & mrs smith as Simon, Lindsay Lohan as Rver, Jimmy Fallon as Wash, Halle Berry as Zoe and Ewan McGregor (with eye patch) as Mal. C'mon people! It'll be shiny!

  • July 25, 2005, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Why bash the show?

    by BrandonGK

    What possible purpose can't it accomplish? You know the browncoats are going to come out and defend it. And you know it's just going to lead to a flaming

  • July 25, 2005, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Its the internet

    by optimus122

    Thats what people do , bash and flame..Im not worried about how the movie will do , I think it will be a money maker in the long run which I am sure is exactly what the studio is also thinking. The series has a huge audience now and the new trailer looks great.

  • July 25, 2005, 5:36 p.m. CST

    By the way

    by optimus122

    The Browncoat website has over 43,000 members , and in the last day or so over 230 people joined..right now there is 110 people live on the message board..Pretty damn impressive for a cancelled tv show.

  • July 25, 2005, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Not Bad For A Cancelled Show Indeed

    by Mark Twain

    I may actually have to check out the message board. It may answer some of the concerns I've been expressing here. Thanks for putting the thought in my head. Of course I'm reluctant to leave AICN while the V for Vendetta talkbalk is in full swing. Unlike the Superman talkbalk, this one has some great ongoing hilarity. I'm just enjoying the carnage so much, I hate to leave.

  • July 25, 2005, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Shame On You Mr. Clemens

    by Prophet Jeremiah

    Don't you feel even a little guilty? Yes the V talkback is madness, but V Talkback didn't use to the playground of the crazies before a certain someone "mistakenly" confused a comic book with a television series. Oddly enough, anarchy has reigned in those talkbacks ever since. Coincidence?

  • July 25, 2005, 8:46 p.m. CST

    You Can't Lay The V Talkback At My Feet

    by Mark Twain

    At least I don't think so. The chaos that is the V Talkback (and why do I think Alan Moore would somehow be pleased?) is it's own special beast. MAYBE by posting what I did when I did, it alerted the TBers that Moore fans were especially easy to inflame. Maybe. I did find it interesting that all the wierd ones that are off topic seem to be going there. The usual suspects have chosen to stake out turf in what was here to fore a weak talkback. But then factor in that the trailer was just released, generating a bigger audience for whatever insanity someone wanted to hawk. Combine that with it sitting at the top of the board for so long, and I think it's more of a case of a perfect storm. So I'm not claiming responsibility for this one PJ. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. And if you'll excuse me, I need to call my attorney and see if there are any liability issues.

  • July 25, 2005, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Don't Forget The Timing Of Changing The Background To Yellow

    by Prophet Jeremiah

    I think throwing that into the mix was also a magic ingredient. It at least showed where all the people were paying attention and that had to be attractive to a certain group of posters.

  • July 25, 2005, 10:19 p.m. CST

    That Too PJ, That Too

    by Mark Twain

    Can't emphasize the effect yellow has on the psyche enough. On another note, I accidentally changed my password on my email right after sending my piss in the wind comment on the trailer to the Serenity site, so I have no idea how they responded, if anyone did at all. Did you get any feedback?

  • July 25, 2005, 11:56 p.m. CST

    Uh, Did We Just Lose Some Posts?

    by Prophet Jeremiah

    Cause I thought I answered you and you answered back.