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Quint at Comic-Con: Bryan Singer and SUPERMAN RETURNS footage!!!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with the first of a couple of reports from today's (Saturday's) mega-super huge day at the San Diego Comic Con 2005. I saw tons of stuff today, but I'm going to start with the first and possibly most anticipated panel of the day, if not the whole Con: Bryan Singer's presentation and Q&A for SUPERMAN RETURNS.

Bryan Singer came out from Sydney and talked a lot about the film to the fans, answering questions both positive and negative about everything from SUPERMAN to LOGANS RUN to X-MEN. Below are the tidbits from the Q&A as well a description of the footage he showed (!!!).


-At the beginning of the panel Singer fumbled and called SUPERMAN Jor-El instead of Kal-El and got scorched a bit by the geeks. Singer hurried to correct his mistake by saying how nervous he is addressing a room of 6500 geeks about a huge comic book movie. He quickly corrected himself and shot off some quick SUPERMAN facts in order to prove his worth to the crowd again.

-When asked about the inspiration for the design of the film, Singer said primarily Alex Ross' SUPERMAN art, Max Fleischer cartoons and the '78 Donner films as well as early Action comics. Said he used those as the "spring-board."

-When confronted about changing the look of the SUPERMAN costume, he said that every visual incarnation of the character has looked different, from George Reeves to Christopher Reeve. He felt the silk-screened symbol on the chest was dated, so he opted for the raised S. He also built the suit around Brandon Routh, so it's specific to him.

-One person asked about LOGAN'S RUN and how different from the original film or the original novel it was going to be. Singer said it'll be a mix of the original film, book and his own ideas. He also said an idea was floated about the palm crystals being under the skin. Singer's response wasn't positive. "Dude... they're the palm crystals. They stay above the skin. This is Logan's Run!"

-SUPERMAN RETURNS will be over 2 hours long.

-The look of the film (thanks to this new Genesis HD camera) will look like REBECCA in color or a 1940's love story.

-SUPERMAN 2 acts as a sort of very vague history, but Donner's SUPERMAN is the main history, slightly referenced in the film (we saw one of those references in the footage shown, but I'll get to that in a minute.

-Jor-El will be in the movie briefly. And, yes. It is Brando, but not a big CGI Brando man walking around, although there was some CG altering to his face... Singer said we'd see why.

-Regarding Lex Luthor: Will be less comedic than Gene Hackman's Luthor, but there's still humor with him and the character. And yes, Kevin Spacey shaved his head bald for the role!

-John Ottman's the composer for the film, but they will incorporate John William's SUPERMAN theme regularly.

-A fan brought up Kate Bosworth being so young for a seasoned reporter. Singer insisted that she plays it with maturity, but he does understand that he's having to ask the audience to suspend their disbelief a little in order to have a young cast that can potentially continue on for many more films before they outgrow their roles.


Singer showed a few minutes of the film and I have to tell you... 95% of the reservation I had about Routh in the role of SUPERMAN is gone now and most of that has to do with his voice. He still looks like a supermodel in some scenes, but his voice is definitely not a 20-something model's little voice. It's a very close approximation of Christopher Reeves' voice and speech pattern (at least as Clark Kent) without being a direct mimic. There's an averageness, a deepness that I wasn't expecting from the look of Routh.

Specific scenes set up were landscape shots of the Kent farmhouse and Superman's return. You see Ma and Pa Kent react to the unseen meteor crashing back at the farm and Ma Kent at the crash site, inspecting it. This scene was played almost like a horror movie with the audience seeing a naked arm reaching out to her turned back and toucher her elbow. She jumps.

We see bits in the farm, like Clark waking up in his room. I could have sworn that an older picture of Ma and Pa Kent (one of them much younger) had Glenn Ford as Pa Kent...

There's some dialogue about "What did you find?" With Clark responding how he was the last, that it was barren. I'm assuming he's searching for the spot where Krypton once was.

Over this whole bit there is Marlon Brando's monologue from SUPERMAN with Williams' score soft in the background.

It is established that both Superman and Clark Kent have been absent from Metropolis, with Superman getting a sort of cold reception upon his return and a line of dialogue from Jimmy Olson about his buddy Clark having been gone for a few years.

There is some drama with Lois Lane introducing Clark to her hubby (Cyclops) and "munchkin" (kid), all of which has happened since SUPERMAN left. Lois has an argument with Perry White about why negative Superman (Superman Returns? Did we really need him in the first place? type stuff) articles are being nominated for awards when it's clearly not the right thing. Later on we get Frank Langella's Perry White again, this time with him saying to Lois, "Three things sell papers: Tragedy, sex and Superman!"

Routh's Clark looks great, just like it did when all those onset bits snuck out. It's his Superman that still has that 5% of me worried. There's one shot of him in the Superman suit where he's standing in the back of a room or something... and he does a total runway model turn and a quasi-ZOOLANDER face as he turns to leave.

That's about the worst of it for me, which is good. There were a few things that really, really blew me away. One, it was just super fucking cool to see Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor, bald as a baby as he overlooks some machinery (not exactly sure what it was, but it was massive) and, with a slight look of awe on his face, holds a crystal up to his face, the light reflecting off of it onto his face.

Spacey looked killer. He's gonna make a great Luthor.

The climax of the footage is what impressed me the most... It was a shot (could have almost been a still piece of art and it may well have been, but it moved in the next cut) of Superman hovering in space, his cape flayed behind him, not flapping. He's got a great Superman pose going... elbows pulled next to his ribcage, fists clenched and facing up, one leg straight, toe pointing and the other raised, bent at the knee. I've seen some artwork of this pose... Supes in space... Pretty sure it was Alex Ross... nevertheless, this was gorgeous.

He's overlooking Earth and suddenly points himself down and in a flash zooms back down into the atmosphere, a sonic boom trailing him.

It'd be a big load off of a lot of fans if they released this footage. The S on the chest looks bigger than in the promo pics... still not too hot on the burgundy red of the suit, but if the performance is hit squarely on the head then I can overlook that.

Hopefully we'll see it premiere, much like Singer's X2 Comic-Con trailer from a couple years back, online in glorious, official, quicktime. Until then, I hope you've gotten a taste of what we all saw through this report. If you want a glimpse at Routh as Clark and Supes (at least in early readings) you can click here to go to for the newest production diary!

I've got one or two more I have to do before crashing (and I'm crashing hard, by the way). But before I go, I wanted to post a funny picture. Feel free to compete with talkbackers below in a caption contest. You win nothing but the esteem of your kinsmen, but I figured this might make for some fun. Enjoy!


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  • July 17, 2005, 2:29 a.m. CST

    AM I?!?!?

    by Pogue__Mahone

    FIRST!!!!!!!!! P.S. I have every faith in Singer.

  • July 17, 2005, 2:37 a.m. CST

    Damn You Singer!!

    by aliasjbauer

    You ruined the X-Men franchise by leaving it with Fox and Ratner. May God have mercy on your soul!

  • July 17, 2005, 2:41 a.m. CST

    Blue Steel!

    by Flim Springfield

    Just wanted to say that.

  • July 17, 2005, 2:41 a.m. CST

    Fuck Singer....

    by Grando

    You leave X-Men to make a Superman film....... Jebus H Christmas...

  • July 17, 2005, 3:04 a.m. CST

    It's not the SFX that worry me about this film...

    by Zardoz

    I figure that'll probably be the best thing about it. No, I'm worried about how they might screw up everything else that I love about Superman. I'm sure a couple of seconds of Supes in space looks really neato, but how about the rest of the film? Interesting that the tone they use for Kal's arrival on Earth as a baby is like a horror movie. I imagine that would be a legitimate emotion after witnessing a rocket crash and having no clue whether whatever inside of it is benevolent or ready to EAT you. Anyway, still got my fingers crossed on this one...

  • July 17, 2005, 3:07 a.m. CST

    Something about routh's chin just turns me off with him bein

    by The Founder

    I really woud've liked to see Welling as supes the more i think about it, He's been at it on Smallville for like 4 years, and he Clark/Supes to me.

  • July 17, 2005, 3:23 a.m. CST

    The crystal Luthor is holding, by the way,

    by Hercules

    Looks like the one Clark used to create the Fortress of Solitude. (Clark is shown in a Kansas flashback fondling the same crystal. And the Daily Planet now has a very 1930s look to it, augmented with a lot of video screens.

  • July 17, 2005, 3:52 a.m. CST

    The Smallville season 5 premiere will make this film look like..

    by LordEnigma

    ASS. Ut-oh kids. Clark has got to beat down on some Kryptonians. Well, here comes the pain. Fuck this film. It has the stink of ass all over it. At least Gaeta will make it look worth a damn.

  • July 17, 2005, 3:53 a.m. CST

    Man...I don't know

    by ClarkK82

    The casting doesn't sit well with me. And not just Routh, everyone except Spacey. I still feeling like I did with the Fantastic Four cast. With the exception of Chiklis and Spacey I am just very underwhelmed. And I know some one will say "trust Singer's judgement, just look and X-Men one and two" but I think that is poor reasoning. Jackman wasn't even Singer's first choice for Wolverine, and he's basing his movie on Donner's film (while great for its time) instead on the Superman mythos that have been devolping for the last quarter century. That being said I desperately want this film to be goo. I hope I end up like Harry did with Batman Begins, all bitching for a year and then ending up loving it.

  • July 17, 2005, 4:44 a.m. CST

    I wonder if Singers Superman will be as unambitious as his XMen

    by IndustryKiller

    I am by no means saying SInger isn't talented. he is very much so. And the XMen films get some thing right (Jackmans far too soft Wolverine isn't one of them, but I blame Jackman for that). WHat I blame Singer for is the totally unambitious plots. The Xmen films should be epic but they feel incredibly small time.

  • July 17, 2005, 4:48 a.m. CST

    Ok so it's clear that you and I aren't ont e same side M

    by IndustryKiller

    I'm not a big fan of racists. Exactly what part of the XMen films suck because they are "homo" inspired? Harry please get these prejudiced fucks off the talkback.

  • July 17, 2005, 5:17 a.m. CST

    There was sooo much wrong with X-men and X2

    by JUSTICE41

    That both movies are just Meh. All but Nightcrawlers sequence that is.

  • July 17, 2005, 5:37 a.m. CST


    by Luminescence

    Why oh why oh why did you mention Zoolander!? Now I can't look at single image of Superman and take him seriously - like this one - You've ruined this movie for me!

  • July 17, 2005, 5:55 a.m. CST

    assmack, agreed, shut the hell up

    by mmm_free_wig

    From reading you first post on the board, it's very clear that it's just fucking burning you that one of us fags is doing the job that you're just too lazy, undriven and untalented to do. And you KNOW that that's exactly where you'll remain for the rest of your life. Bryan's stamp is now on the mainstraim, and your rancid hatred of homosexuals means you can't even dissociate between that orientaion, and anything that they accomplish, desire or aspire to in life, when almost always they have nothing to do with each other.

  • July 17, 2005, 5:57 a.m. CST

    Hate the photos I've seen of the costume so far

    by Antz

    ... but I have high hopes for the film. I think Singer can pull it off. Just hope he avoids all the really bad bits from the other films and keeps within the long established mythos. No more capes blowing/hanging down in space, no repairing the Great Wall of China vision, teleporting games in the Fortress, speaking in space etc. I'm sure there are lots of other things others can think up.

  • July 17, 2005, 7:07 a.m. CST


    by Playhouse

    What the fuck is a catereror?

  • July 17, 2005, 7:07 a.m. CST

    Moviemack - Iceman's impotence

    by alfiemoon

    It's pretty explicitly stated during that scene in X2 that Jean Grey is preventing the other mutants from using their powers to stop the waters from the dam. There's a line from Nightcrawler about how he can't teleport in - Phoenix won't let him. Check it out. - - - - - - - - - - Anyway, really looking forward to Superman.

  • July 17, 2005, 8:15 a.m. CST

    1 word - WELLING

    by Prexis

    casting sucks for this flick

  • July 17, 2005, 9:10 a.m. CST

    I dont blindly trust Bryan Singer like everyone else.

    by Mr. Profit

    I don't know about this movie. At least I knew with Batman Begins that the director made 2 films I enjoyed previously and the writer wrote some good stuff in the past that I liked. This film's cast, story, and look, all are underwhelming to me. Superman HAS to make more dough than Spiderman. DC has a lot riding on this flick. Anything less than 300 Mil domestically is a disappointment. Superman is the most iconic comic character of our times. I hope for DC's sake that they get it right. Unfortunately this movie just sounds a bit weak. I am hoping the trailer will make me change my mind and look awesome. But I dunno. I find it sad that the cartoons turn out to be better than the films. How the fuck does this happen? Oh and I hope Joss Whedons Wonder Woman is like the Wonder Woman in Justice League. I still cant get over seeing her hurl a fucking Jet at a Skyscraper.

  • July 17, 2005, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Saw the footage. LOVED IT. But some minor inaccuracies by Quin

    by Karl Hungus

    First, that's NOT Ma and Pa Kent reacting to the Kryptonian ship's crash landing. It's Ma Kent and her new husband, Ben Hubbard, played by James Karen. Hubbard was mentioned in the first film when Clark offered to get him to "help out" in his absence. Also, the Kryptonian crystal that Clark used to create the Fortress of Solitude was GREEN. The only crystals I saw in the Comic-Con teaser were clear. I had serious reservations about "Superman Returns" before this weekend. I wasn't a big fan of the suit or the casting, aside from Spacey. The Comic-Con teaser thoroughly erased those concerns and obviously, most people in the room agreed. Hearing 6,500 fans explode in deafening cheers and a standing ovation at the teaser's end was truly powerful. But the biggest relief came from seeing Singer's obvious respect for both the comics and the first film. After having Burton, Smith, Ratner and even Mc-fucking-G attached to this thing over the years, it was a huge relief to see a glimpse of Singer's vision for Superman. Oh, and I find the Zoolander reference to be grasping at straws. It's obvious that Supes is trying to pass behind a crowd of people stealthfully and I didn't think his expression seemed at all inappropriate. I only wish we got to see Routh deliver more dialogue, both as Clark and especially as Superman. 99% of Routh's few lines of dialogue in the teaser was delivered off-camera or as voice-over. It was almost as if they were either hiding a weak performance or trying to create some mystique about their unknown lead actor. Still, it was an incredibly effective teaser and EASILY the best presentation I saw at Comic-Con. Hopefully it will be released to the public soon.

  • July 17, 2005, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Wolverine Returns

    by Ribbons

    Interesting that the beginning of this film has a lot in common with the beginning of 'X2.' "What did you find there?" Just an observation, don't rip me a new one, Superman fans.

  • July 17, 2005, 9:53 a.m. CST

    My report on the same event. Taking you there!

    by Village Idiot

    My friend and I tried to get to the hall scheduled for the SUPERMAN presentation early -- about an hour -- and we still had to sit in the back. Still though, they had movie screens for each section of seats, so that you would see what was going on on the dais, etc. We were also handed silver tickets as we walked in, redeemable for a "special gift" from the DC direct booth after the show. Free stuff always manages to blunt the disappointment a bit.______Things eventually got started, I was surprised that the presentation was just Bryan Singer. Just him. No writers, no producers, no actors, no DC reps -- just Singer. When he first came out, he just sat at the huge empty table on the dais, really driving home the fact that he was all alone. He talked for a minute before deciding he'd be more comfortable at the podium, where, instead of making any kind of general statement about he movie's progress (which you'd think would be kind of customary in these situations), he immediately started fielding questions from the people lined up at the audience microphone.______ (Of course, he acknowledged that he flew here to San Diego from Austrailia right in the middle of heavy shooting; on a flight that he said would last longer than his actual stay; so it's understandable if he wasn't exactly Johnny Carson up there. And really, throughout the questioning, I thought he acquitted himself fairly well.)______ Most of the questions from the audience were the same sort of questions you'd read from fansites; so similar in fact, I don't think anything new was really divulged. "How do you see Superman?" (He's three people: Bumbling Clark, Smallville Clark, and Superman.) "Is Marlon Brando used in the movie?" (Yes.) Is John Willaims music going to be in the movie? (Yes.) ______ The liveliest question was the one that came early about the costume. Singer seemed to quickly go on the defensive, genially but firmly lecturing the the guy on how Superman's costume had changed throughout history. Getting a lecture in front of thousands of people by a movie director understandably made the guy in the audience sheepish, so he didn't challenge Singer at all; but man, I was wishing I had the opportunity to counter what Singer was claiming. I wasn't buying it. ______ Towards the end, the showed the trailer (really, clips strung together with a Williams temp track). I think Quint recounted what it showed better than I could. Things I'd add: The beginning culled voice-overs from the first SUPERMAN movie, with Jor-El and Lara talking about sending him to Earth, and the end of Jor-El's soliloquy from the Fortress ("They're a good people Kal-El..."). Routh looks a bit like Clark from Waid's BIRTHRIGHT, especially with the mod hairdo. What little we heard of his voice as Superman seemed pretty deep and effective though. Bosworth makes a very *brittle*-looking Lois. The colors on the cosutme are VERY dark -- the reds really did look burgandy._____(And for what it's worth, the scene with the crash at the farm "shot like a horror movie" wasn't baby Clark landing for the first time, but *returning Clark* from his expedition to Krypton. The concerned folks looking out the window at the crash were Ma Kent and *Ben Hubbard*, a neighbor whose been keeping Ma company.)______ The trailer definitely had a lot of energy going for it -- a lot of life, and Superman purist that I am, it was still hard not to get caught up in it. At one point during the presentation, Singer did mention that the style he was going for 40s romance movies, like a colored version of REBECCA; and I thought I detected the slightest hint of SKY CAPTAIN style in a scene where Lex Luthor looks out from is balcony at the Metropolis skyline. (That's what it looked like to me -- not a giant machine. Then again, it was a brief shot, and maybe Quint's right.) Jack Larson, the TV Jimmy Olsen even popped up as a bartender in a scene with Jimmy and Clark. ______ All in all, I liked it. I liked it so much, I was glad when they showed it all over again right after it was finished the first time. But I'm not completely sold, and I might not be the only one: an attempt by some to give a standing ovation didin't really catch on.______ Singer took a few more questions, and then it was back into the throng on the convention floor, to somehow make like a salmon swimming upstream to get my special gift from the DC booth before going home. Again, it was crazy crowded. Finally got to the DC booth to claim my booty: A silver Superman symbol pin in the S-Shield design used in the movie.

  • July 17, 2005, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Aw, Karl got his post in while I was writing mine!

    by Village Idiot


  • July 17, 2005, 10:53 a.m. CST

    queer eye for the kryptonian guy

    by silverdog

    think fantastic four was cheesy? just wait for a taste of this fruitcake...

  • July 17, 2005, 11:07 a.m. CST

    The reasons Superman 2 was the best...

    by fiester

    Is because Supes had superpowered baddies to fight. Luthor is a good cerebral villain--he's great on JLU--but he's never been more than second tier comedy relief in the Superman films. I remain open minded, but this franchise needs superpowered baddies like Parasite, Brainiac, Darkseid, etc.

  • July 17, 2005, 11:25 a.m. CST


    by silentbobafett2

  • July 17, 2005, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Alex Ross

    by mostdwnloadedman

    His superman is suberb but his take on Batman is totally gay.

  • July 17, 2005, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Margot Kidder should play mama kent as a tribute to the original

    by Orionsangels

  • July 17, 2005, 12:51 p.m. CST

    R.C.'s opinion: I was there to see the exclusive preview tw

    by R.C. the "Wise"

    If he can duplicate the action/battle scenes to the level of story/plot/acting this will be somewhat of a comic/graphic novel masterpiece or certainly equivalent to Batman Begins, Spidey 2, X2, and Road to Perdition.

  • July 17, 2005, 1 p.m. CST

    R.C.'s second opinion: Hey Moviemack. I realize that Singe

    by R.C. the "Wise"

    I mean, come on. What a fag?! I never read so many blatent queer post in my life. Get a life, please! Or accept the ultimate truth that you can't cloak your homosexual urges behind your malicious post. Make your decision soon fag!

  • July 17, 2005, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Superman is going the Spiderman 2 route:

    by SirBiatchReturns

    "bog down an already thin plot with shoddily done romantic scenes, and then provide 2 or 3 scenes of balls-out action". The executives all believe this plan will work a second time around, even if the plot has holes the size of New York

  • July 17, 2005, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Gay as negative?

    by kintar0

    moviemack has jumped the shark. at least Mr. Miracle wasn't a raging idiotic homophobe. Batman Begins did suck, but who really cares who filmmakers/writers/actors like to fuck? as if that had to do with anything.

  • July 17, 2005, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Fuckin nerds

    by Lando Griffin

    "At the beginning of the panel Singer fumbled and called SUPERMAN Jor-El instead of Kal-El and got scorched a bit by the geeks. Singer hurried to correct his mistake by saying how nervous he is addressing a room of 6500 geeks about a huge comic book movie. He quickly corrected himself and shot off some quick SUPERMAN facts in order to prove his worth to the crowd again." SINGER: "Uhhh lets see how many of you virgins here have directed a successful comic book film franchise??? Oh none of you? Really? Amazing. Well I have so SHUT THE FUCK UP!" In a way I feel bad for the actors/writers/directors who go to Comic Con having to answer to all the hardcore geeks. That reminds me last night the episode of South Park where the two nerds argue over how many Star Trek episodes there were was on. Relax virgins its called fiction!

  • July 17, 2005, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Spacey as Luthor and X-men notes?

    by Lando Griffin

    I've said this in other Superman talkbacks before and have spread the visual and ruined it for others but whenever I picture Spacey bald I can only see him as Dr. Evil at the end of Goldmember. "Bryan Singer came out from Sydney and talked a lot about the film to the fans, answering questions both positive and negative about everything from SUPERMAN to LOGANS RUN to X-MEN." Ummm where was the X-men part? Did I miss something? Or did Quint forget to post it?

  • July 17, 2005, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Saw the footage, LOIS IS TERRIBLE!!!

    by Thunderballs

    Sorry, but it has to be said....Kate Bosworth was an awful choice for this role. She is not strong, forceful, or intelligent looking. Her eyes are empty. And sadly, the only thing that gave me chills in the trailer was the Supes music and Brando's voice. There was one cool shot of Supes, naked, with an S on his chest, where he is sitting in some white chamber, fucking awesome! And the end shot was cool but quite unfinished. The look of the fim worries me. It was kind of fuzzy and weird looking, and one shot where Supes is walking towards Lois looked like such a bad set. Otherwise, it was cool that Singer showed up. It was really funny when him and that dude in the audinece started flirting.

  • July 17, 2005, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Gay Men Need To Support This Film

    by Prophet Jeremiah

    This film has so many of us involved, it is bound to get some sort of backlash. Now that we're moving into the mainstream and not just niche films, we are bound to come under fire. If this film fails it will be seen by some being because there was "too much of a gay element." I suggest opening day we turn out in force, like Passion of The Christ. Perhaps buy out theaters in advance. I'd be willing to organize on in my city. How many others would be willing to get started now?! We need to be there in numbers, so the first weekend by which these things are judged is an unqualified success. I've already gotten permission to poster many of the gay bars in my area, as soon as they become available. If anyone has any other grassroot marketing ideas, I'd love to hear them. I've got time and plenty of energy and desire for this to succeed.

  • July 17, 2005, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Saw it too! It was pretty freaking cool! and Boswoth was fine

    by Russman

    I wasn't too keen n Bosworth at first, but to tell you the truth, from the little bit that I saw on Sat. it looks like she's going to pull it off. She had the right tone of voice and looked comfortable with the character unlike Natalie Portman's wooden and stilted performance in all 3 SW prequels. Also, I agree with Singer regarding Bosworth's age... as the audience we need to suspend disbelief a little because when you cast a part in a movie that will most likely have sequels you need to factor in the age of your actors and actresses. WB has my $10 in 2006.

  • July 17, 2005, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Prophet Jeremiah, probably the most obnoxious post I've seen

    by TomPalpatine

    And that's saying something.

  • July 17, 2005, 3:57 p.m. CST

    silentbobafett2 - about the picture that's supposed to be f

    by Russman

    The guy on the screen in the background is an audience member. He started off his question saying "There are two men that I love in this world, Superman and-" then Singer said something that I didn't hear and everyone laughed and then there was some banter that went on between them as if they were flirting and it was pretty funny.

  • July 17, 2005, 4:05 p.m. CST

    haw haw

    by calami-shami

    fantastic four fell to third place this weekend. it wont even be in the top five after next weekends releases. fuck u arad and fuck you rothman.

  • July 17, 2005, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Thought this talkback was about Superman?

    by dennett316

    Not a discussion on sexual politics. As much as some would like it, this is not a board to flame everyone in sight, It's meant for the discussion of movies. Stop turning it into a fucking childish chatroom and let those of us who give a shit about film discuss the medium we love - without all the bullshit.

  • July 17, 2005, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Gay Businesses Should Give Tickets As Bonuses

    by Bazooms

    That's one for you Prophet Jeremiah. I don't own a business but I am in charge of internal company promotions. I'll get on board and buy tickets for this movie to do my part. I'm not gay by the way, but willing to do my small part because I agree with where you are coming from. Especially after seeing posts from bigots like Moviemack and Tom Palpatine. And bigots on AICN are tame compared to the behavior that exists in the real world. That's all I got in the way of suggestions, but at my company we'd give away about 40. Other companies do this too, so if everyone with an interest got on board, I bet that would help.

  • July 17, 2005, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Positive discrimination isn't the answer.......

    by dennett316

    If a film is good it will find its audience, through word of mouth, positive reviews etc. If a film sucks, it doesn't deserve to succeed purely because gay people are involved with the production. No-one 'needs' to support any production, they will support it if it is a good movie, not because a pressure group demands it.

  • July 17, 2005, 4:48 p.m. CST

    At least Singer cares about this film

    by eule

    and it's fans, or why would he go to such great lenghts just to answer some questions? Especially when he's in the middle of production. I think the idea of a darker costume really worked out for Spider-Man and it should also work out for Supes. Also, taking the first two films as reference really makes sense since they did a good job with introducing all the main characters, so why do this all over again? And about this one being too dark and angst ridden I'd have to say that everything that makes the character more realistic is quite welcome. That doesn't mean they should just copy Spider-Man, but they should try to make him more believable as a person.

  • July 17, 2005, 5:13 p.m. CST


    by Sayhey Kid

    There certainly are a lot of no class, closed minded, prejudiced assholes on these boards.

  • July 17, 2005, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Gays Have Every Right To Support This Film

    by Mark Twain

    I'm not even sure what "positive discrimination" means. And no offense intended Dennett, but buzz can make or break a film regardless or merit. AICN in particular is run by someone who advocates just this kind of support, so these sorts of posts are definitely not out of place. Take a look at Harry's article on X-Men urging people to support that film even if you were iffy about seeing it so that other comic book films like Fantastic Four could get greenlit. Now he may be regretting mentioning THAT specific title as things have turned out, but I can empathize with the reasoning and am planning on doing the same thing myself. I'm a Firefly fan and Serenity isn't even on the radar of most of the mainstream public. I'll be dragging people into see this film who've never heard of it because as a fan I WANT to support Whedon's making of this film against the odds. I have no faith in this era of opening box office weekends dictating how long a movie stays in the theaters that Serenity will be given a chance to have any legs if the numbers aren't there. Granted, comparing mobalizing Browncoats to a significant social issue may sound like trivializing the one or elevating the other, but I hope you see my point. When science-fiction was a cinematic waste-land, I supported EVERY film at the box office (yes, I'm an elder statesman, or Old Fogie if you prefer) regardless of quality, just to encourage Hollywood to make more of these things. The same with the fantasy genre pre Lord of The Rings. How many people will publically claim to seeing The Beastmaster in theaters? If any group wants to support a type of film to let Hollywood there's a market, more power to them I say. Of course I was freeing the slaves too, another "divisive polical issue" I was told had no place in the popular entertainment forums of the time.

  • July 17, 2005, 5:25 p.m. CST

    "how are they gonna reproduce, avoid extinction and make it to t

    by adambalm

    They don't have to reproduce, only their genes do. You can look at Hamilton's rule for this. (which is mostly about altruism but since also it's about reproductive sacrifice, it applies here too.) As long as those sharing most of the same genes have their reproduction increased, this gene will continue to propagate (As long as R x B is greater than C). There was a recent study that homosexuals have more siblings, or perhaps their siblings have more children. (hard to remember, it was a while back.) Homosexuality, far from a recent trend, is seen throughout recorded history, and homosexual acts are observed in the animal world as well.

  • July 17, 2005, 5:29 p.m. CST

    by the way

    by adambalm

    R is the degree of relatedness, B is the benefit or the amount that procreation is furthered in those with the gene, and C is the cost to the individual. In homosexuality, those with the genes determining that sexual orientation, have B increased by the same genes, I believe.

  • July 17, 2005, 5:37 p.m. CST


    by calami-shami

    ...whos the badguy? Dont tell me its Luthor. Doesnt Superman fight anybody in this movie? Is brainiac in there or is it just going to be supes pinning over lois, or moving on with his life and eyeing jimmy. I want a damn cool ass villian! Doesnt superman have any of those?! Luthor is cool and all that but weve SEEN that already. This movie is starting to taste bland. I hope theres something there that singer isnt telling us becasue in this day and age Superman could truly be stretched to his limits against an imaginative foe. Just as long as it isnt solar man or what ever that chumps name was. "Ive got long golden fingernails!" DA DAAA DA DAAAH DA DAAA DA DAAAAH! DUN DUUUN DA DUUN DUN DUUUN DUN DUUN DUN DUN. Whatta chump

  • July 17, 2005, 5:44 p.m. CST

    I'm Way More Interested In Singer's LOGAN'S RUN Rema

    by ZombieSolutions

    i know remakes are usually a bad idea, but I'd like to see Singer's take on LOGAN'S RUN. (oddly enough, doesn't THE ISLAND seem vaguely reminiscient to LOGAN'S RUN too? but, you know, crappy, and made by a crappy director, inexplicably featuriing two of my favorite actors.) anyways, SUPERMAN is boring. i don't care if he wears speedos or a rucksack, he's still totally, completely, irretrevably CORNY. oh boy, invincible nice guy saves world since, you know, he's invincible. i wonder if he also loves puppies? i bet he does. boooring.

  • July 17, 2005, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Homosexuality Persists Because It Is A Natural State And Has Exi

    by ZombieSolutions

    people are born gay, they don't learn gay. it's a totally natural state of being. only religous extremeists and republikans think other wise -- basically because they are evil. oh, btw, is it just me, or is Karl Rove the biggest self-hating closet queen you have ever seen in your entire life? next to moviemack, that is.

  • July 17, 2005, 5:55 p.m. CST

    There`s only thing that is gay and it`s the costume

    by chien_sale

  • July 17, 2005, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Only People Who Are Deeply Conflicted About Their Own Sexuality

    by ZombieSolutions

    your post has convinced me, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that you are the biggest self-hating closted queen on AICN. otherwise, why would you care so much?

  • July 17, 2005, 6:17 p.m. CST

    So Add HOMEWRECKER To the List Of Bitter, Self-Hating, Deeply Cl

    by ZombieSolutions

    it's okay honey, jesus will still love you once you let the rainbow out. (only a deepseated conflict with ones own sexuality could cause that much hate and anger. just like Karl Rove. boy, i'm sounding like a broken record now. oh well, truth will out.)

  • July 17, 2005, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Hey Homwrecker, maybe when you come to terms with your sexuality

    by IndustryKiller

    Man you guys are flaming. But don't worry, I'm sure acceptance comes with time. Hahaha "queers need to convert straights to survive and ensure a future". That's priceless. Homewrecker is obviously worried he will be turned. Uh oh Homewrecker they're gonna get ya. You can probably feel that stirring in yourself already. It's too late for you. HAHAHAHA oh man that's just too funny.

  • July 17, 2005, 6:22 p.m. CST

    "Gay/bestial secret stash"?

    by adambalm

    That's a complete lie Homewrecker, everyone on this board knows my homo-bestiality stash isn't a secret.

  • July 17, 2005, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Ernie and Bert? Ha!

    by Lazarus Long

    Wow, you sound more and more like some fundamentalist nutjob. I'm guessing Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood was also a gay recruiting programme? The color coded sweaters? If it was red it meant he was cruising for scat, blue was a tie-me-up day, yellow was anything goes. Did it ever occur to you that ALL children's programming is "gay", considering it's all meant to be cheesy, friendly, cute, etc? Get your head out of your ass, it's probably the only thing that's keeping you from letting someone else inside it. I hope you're a troll because it would scare me to think I have anything in common with someone seriously espousing those views, even if it's only an internet talkback.

  • July 17, 2005, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Jeez, people love to argue

    by Ribbons

    Can we just agree that anybody who thinks 1) the movie's going to be a subliminal gay "recruit" piece, 2) that it's going to suck because it's gay, or 3) that the success of 'Superman Returns' does anything new for the gay community at large are foolish?

  • July 17, 2005, 7:19 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    2 should read that it's going to suck because it involves gays.

  • July 17, 2005, 7:23 p.m. CST


    by kuryakin

    The problem to me is that the casting of Brandon Routh is too much about how much he looks like Christopher Reeve and not much about how good a Superman/Clark Kent he is. If Christopher Reeve is such an untouchable sacred cow ( if I can badly mix Hindi terminology ) then why bother doing another movie? It's like the War of the Worlds - what exactly does this add to what we've seen already? I wish this movie would be a fresh start and I hope it will be but I'm afraid it looks like yet another money-making scheme wrapped up in geek credentials. And as for all the anti-gay stuff - please, you're embarassing us all with your ranting. Just accept that some guys like the cock and move on. And homewrecker - the kids shows you mention are innocent. The real sickos are the ones who attribute adult or 'deviant' sexualities to puppets and cartoons. What the fuck are you talking about man? Bert and Ernie are Muppets, that's all there is to it. Please get a life, softcock.

  • July 17, 2005, 7:26 p.m. CST

    I agree with whoever said he needs real supervillains to fight.

    by Serious Black

    The audience is going to expect to see Supes go toe-to-toe against some other super-powered badass. Here's some questions that should have been asked: Is Lex going to wear his purple super suit? Is Ned Beatty in this movie? What about Miss Tessmacher? (I wonder how she looks nowadays.) Is Doomsday going to kill Superman so he can be resurrected for the sequel? Will Shaq reprise his 'Steel' role for the sequel? My favorite was that Superman with the yellow-tinted shooting glasses, will he be in the movie? Will we see Superman vs. Lobo? Despite these retarded questions, I am actually looking forward to this movie. Go, Singer, go!

  • July 17, 2005, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Regarding casting: it could be worse, Singer could have hired Ja

    by Serious Black

    Picture Superman in midflight saying, "Let's try spinning, that's a neat trick. Yippeeee!"

  • July 17, 2005, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Supes villains

    by Ribbons

    I actually wouldn't mind seeing Doomsday as a villain. I guess the problem with that is there's nothing to it. Doomsday is basically built for destruction. The entire movie would either consist of Supes and Doomsday having at it or Doomsday knocking the shit out of buildings and people while Superman goes and does something else. So on second thought, maybe it wouldn't work too well. Lobo as a villain for an entire movie (rather than a slightly comedic, 22-minute, Paul Dini-scripted episode) would probably require brass to make him more menacing than he actually is. Really, who of Superman's villains is that cinematic? Toyman? Brainiac and Metallo, maybe.

  • July 17, 2005, 7:33 p.m. CST

    I'm really happy they're keeping Williams' theme.

    by Serious Black

    That's a relief and it tells me that Singer is approaching this thing with respect and common sense.

  • Homewrecker, your entire argument is based on the assumption that gays are trying to "ensure" future homosexuality. You talk about gay people like they're a separate species, you fucking idiot. As far as I know, no gay people are trying to "convert" straights to gays and I think it's probably safe to say that it's not a general agenda (if you're gay and you disagree, feel free to correct me). But don't let that get in the way of your bizarrely-manifested homophobia.

  • July 17, 2005, 7:38 p.m. CST


    by kuryakin

    I guess he's the obvious bad guy and that seems like the point. God, at least Richard Pryor and his suitcase full of booze were unexpected. This movie seems to have no surprises at all. Bring back the suitcase-of-booze! Or at least give it to me!

  • July 17, 2005, 7:46 p.m. CST

    I haven't met the man yet that would make me go gay.

    by Serious Black

    I'm not really sure how this whole conversion thing is supposed to work. Brad Pitt is a handsome man and all, but I don't think I'd tip him if he gave me lap dance, if you know what I mean. Gay people are just gay. Most people I know like chocolate, but there are few that don't. Now I might not totally trust them, I might eye them warily, I might make snide jokes about them behind their backs (because I mean who in their right mind doesn't like chocolate?) but they're still...what was I saying? Btw, The GayBeam comment above was priceless.

  • July 17, 2005, 7:51 p.m. CST


    by moto

    Every now and then I love to drop by the talkback section and see how many jack asses there are. Well, more than ever here. Some guy screaming, "queers", referring to the makers of the film. Another guy is saying that Routh's CHIN is what is making him lose faith in this film. Awwww... how the IQ drops in the universe when talkbackers talk. If only we had some true intelligent conversations here. That's what seperates film critics or industry people with fanboys like 99% of the people here. Intelligent conversations or debates about film. If that were to happen here, the industry would MAYBE take notice.

  • July 17, 2005, 7:52 p.m. CST

    What's wrong with the costume?

    by Serious Black

    It's just the Superman suit. Who cares what shade of red it uses? It's not like they went with the black suit. Remember back when every superhero had to have a black costume? I guess they needed something for formal occasions. Superman had that capeless number with the boot jets and the mullet hairdo. We can all be thankful they chose to pass on that particular look.

  • July 17, 2005, 8 p.m. CST

    Best Talkback ever

    by Reelheed

    I'm only going to see this film in the hope of catching some amazing action scenes. IMHO Superman really is the dullest superhero character with the best powers and the film should play up to that. Clark is just a joke. A bespecaled-bumbling-oaf-superman-lookalike is not a clever disguse. The best move Singer could make would be to out Clark as Superman. Or would that be gay?

  • July 17, 2005, 8 p.m. CST

    I thought Hugh Laurie was playing Perry White...

    by Rain_Dog

    When did the recasting happen? I think I'd actually prefer Laurie to Frank Langella.

  • July 17, 2005, 8:01 p.m. CST

    official: Ben Foster is Angel (or rather Archangel)

    by Vncentfilmerset

    i am no thrilled by this choice but i give the benefit of the doubt..i have only seen him in the Punisher and i really didn't liked how his character was campy

  • July 17, 2005, 8:03 p.m. CST

    it's sad..

    by Vncentfilmerset

    It seem that Singer and his team will eat alive X3..

  • July 17, 2005, 8:05 p.m. CST

    It doesn't matter if this film is good or not. The only thi

    by FluffyUnbound

    ... that when Batman Begins goes through $200 million any chance Moviemack has of seeing the sort of Batman film he would like will be gone for his entire lifetime. There will be nothing but Begins type films for the next X years.

  • July 17, 2005, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Hey Homewrecker -- The Only Homosexual Pedophile Training School

    by ZombieSolutions

    face it, queen. also, if you're so concerned about "gay training camps" where children are "turned gay", why don't you attack THE ONLY Church/School in the WORLD where RAMPANT HOMOSEXUAL PEDOPHILE RAPE is a COMMON, ACCEPTED, and DOCUMENTED PRACTICE, huh? because of "Jesus", right? let me guess -- you have a little "secret," in your past, don't you? uh oh, better get down on your knees and pray to jesus! yeah, pray long and hard. oh.

  • And then comment on how it's a shame that there's no intelligent discussion going on in these TalkBacks, but then fail to offer up any themselves. Yeah, anybody can tell you that the majority of comments and arguments on TalkBack are either wackmobile, prejudiced, or asinine. Just because nobody points it out doesn't mean your thoughts about cinema transcend speech, jackass.

  • July 17, 2005, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Gay joke

    by CardplayinChimp

    Since we're on the subject......The gay agenda is real and alive. My nine year old niece recently told us she "kissed her first girl". Where do kids get these ideas???? From all around unfortunately. It's truly frightening to me.

  • July 17, 2005, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Xmen2 taught me

    by Reelheed

    1) Rogue can kiss Iceman without knocking him out for some reason. 2) Storm has brown eyes now. 3) Mystique can alter her entire physiology except 3 scars on her belly 4) Some mutants are good, some are bad just like nonmutants. Except they can shoot fireballs and manipulate magnetic fields so we should make an army filled with mutants who are cheap (but sexy) knock offs of wolverine.

  • July 17, 2005, 8:52 p.m. CST

    I thought some of these posters were just joking about their hom

    by Serious Black

    It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad. I picture "homewrecker" waking at night in a cold sweat emitting a tiny gasp of horror upon realizing that his foil hat fell off in the middle of the night. Now he would be prey to GayWaves coming in through his home's electrical wiring. Fear the evil homos! You cannot beat their technology. Mwahhahaha.

  • July 17, 2005, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Death of Superman

    by NeoDurden

    How freaking cool would it have been to see the whole Death of Superman saga filmed? A lot better than this rehash. Plus we would get to see Supes fight an unstopable super villian.

  • July 17, 2005, 9:25 p.m. CST

    oh man!

    by Norm3

    I thought this was a Superman Talkback. I guess not!

  • July 17, 2005, 9:37 p.m. CST


    by NateGrey

    Bobo... so funny... that was hilarious

  • July 17, 2005, 9:50 p.m. CST

    R.C.'s opinion: When did this turn into a Crossfire debate

    by R.C. the "Wise"

    ...if they could'nt help it. Besides, the only gay debate that should be discussed is on Superman's costume and Moviemack's true carnal aspirations to get it on with men. Hahahahahahahaaaaa...Moviemack's a fag! Not that there's anything wrong with that. Though I doubt that the gay community would want to embrace him either.

  • July 17, 2005, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Relax, I've seen the teaser, it rocks !

    by Celsius

    It's everything I was hoping it would be. It's got it all. You'll see...10 out of 10.

  • July 17, 2005, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Not to re-open this can of worms, but I thought Jon Stewart'


    "New York - what an amazing place. Over this past weekend, we had the Billy Graham revival on one side of town - on the other side of town: the Gay Pride Parade. And just GUESS which group of people were actually trying to convert others to their way of life...."

  • July 17, 2005, 10:14 p.m. CST

    how are they gonna reproduce, avoid extinction and make it to th

    by slappy jones

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA dude, stop watching films and read some history books.......

  • July 17, 2005, 10:27 p.m. CST

    The bottom picture is supposed to be funny because...

    by FelatioHornblowr

    ...if Bryan Singer had a ten-foot long erection that pointed at a 45 degree angle to the left, it would look like he was getting piped by that dude whose head is in the foreground. Or maybe there's something else in that picture that supposed to be funny, I don't know.

  • July 17, 2005, 10:49 p.m. CST

    I'm happy there's gay people in the world...

    by Batutta

    There's too many damn people on this planet already. If 4 percent of them aren't reproducing, then all the better. Too bad there's not some correlation between gayness and stupidity, then stupid people would stop reproducing too.

  • July 17, 2005, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Supes versus Luthor... ooooohhhh Joooooyyyy

    by JUSTICE41

    Yawn why did he even bother. Ifn ya ask me WB just did a movie version of a Neal Adams Batman comic, I say they should do the best Neal Adams Superman story ever. Superman vs Muhamad Ali(sp) Aliens and intergalactic boxing match, Supes taking out all those Spaceships, Ali Kicking Hun Yas ass. Howard Cossell(sp) giving the blow by blows( bad choice of words seeing what all you cum stained wankers are obsessing about). Any other Ideers?

  • July 17, 2005, 10:58 p.m. CST


    by Shan

    There was a very funny Onion article called something like "Rainbow Coalition expects to make this month's recruitment quota" or something like that which nicely sent up that whole argument.

  • July 17, 2005, 11 p.m. CST

    I was SO NOT interested in this movie...


    Until I saw that clip. It almost brought a tear to my eye, it was so fucking good. And Singer even played it twice cuz it got a standing ovation the first time around. Hearing Brando's voice, the old music, Spacey, the killer cinematography...fuck, it looked awesome...and I could have given a fuck about supes walking in. Singer rules.

  • July 17, 2005, 11:17 p.m. CST

    **FIRST PIC of Spacey as Luthor!!!**

    by 3D-Man

  • July 18, 2005, 12:31 a.m. CST


    by MasterWhedon

    I very much agree that I'd like to see an EPIC battle between Supes and Doomsday, though clearly Doomsday would have to be the pawn of someone like Brainiac. Side notes: 1) The homosexuality argument is still going on? Let's not have EVERY Superman TalkBack go there. 2) I read this script a little while back, "Red Sun." I'm sworn to secrecy, but it's quite good. It'll be a fair cousin to Batman Begins. It really is like the Donner films crossed with the animated series, serious but with a twist of humor now and again. And as for what Lex is doing with that crystal, I'll give one hint: he's still obsessed with real estate.

  • July 18, 2005, 12:59 a.m. CST

    Hopefully they take the Spider-Man route for Superman..

    by Doom II

    and have him pout like a little bitch for 2 hours. Oh yeah, and throw some quick fights in between the pouting scenes to keep us awake. I am a HUGE Spider-Man fan, just not the films. The fact that people rip Daredevil on this site, but defend BOTH Spider-Man films is hilarious. The Daredevil Director's Cut is outstanding adult-oriented superhero fare. I would say it in the same league as The Crow and Blade (the first ones only) as far as mature superhero movies go. Not only that, but Daredevil follows the Frank Miller origin story almost to the letter. Superman will most likely follow the Spider-Man/Fantastic Four example and be very family-friendly. Oh well, little kids need fun movies too. I still like the 1978 Superman. That was amazing when it came out. It was the first superhero movie to "get it right". Anyone else find it odd that the 1989 Punisher movie is 10 times more violent than the new version? Strange indeed.

  • July 18, 2005, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Wow. That's weird. I agree with everything DoomII just sai

    by Serious Black

    It's like you're reading my mind, man. Okay, now what am I thinking? Okay, okay, how 'bout now? And now? I will tell you I've got a good feeling about this new Superman movie. The X-Men movies were pretty decent so we know that Singer can handle the genre. Everybody seems to be enthusiastic about the teaser. Singer's showing respect for Donner's version, right down to including the John Williams theme. And, perhaps most of all, Singer has extra incentive to shove it down Fox's throats after they didn't hire him for X3. Or it could just be a big gayfest. Either way, y'know.

  • July 18, 2005, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Regarding the Brando footage...

    by Serious Black

    ...does anyone know if the footage is just replaying the same stuff from Superman or is it unused, never-before-seen stuff? You can't ever go wrong with throwing Brando into a movie, but I'd still like to see Christopher Walken do Jor-El.

  • July 18, 2005, 1:24 a.m. CST

    Wasn't There A Story Line in the Comics Where Red Kryptonite

    by Winky Man

    I think it was in World's Finest in the 70s, which was pretty daring for the time, I thought. There wasn't much action, but Superman was suddenly not attracted to Lois and Jimmy would say things to Clark like, "I'm just getting an uncomfortable vibe from you. I don't know what it is." He'd have these dreams of Pete Ross and Batman diagnosed him as having a "disorder." I can't remember how he cured him, but it ended with him flirting with Lois and she being happy he was back to normal. Can anyone help me on this? Also Prophet Jeremiah, I like your idea of turning out for Superman opening week. I work for a firm, Felcher and Moore, and we have a movie night every month with the gay employees. I'll make sure it's Superman when the time rolls around.

  • July 18, 2005, 1:24 a.m. CST

    Please let this movie fail

    by AlwaysThere

    Then justice will be served and this franchine can go back to been DEAD.

  • July 18, 2005, 1:39 a.m. CST

    "Felcher and Moore"

    by krullboy

    Please tell me that was a double entrede(sp) joke.

  • July 18, 2005, 1:57 a.m. CST

    Probably shouldn't bother...

    by slapshot

    ... but here goes. I'm gay. I was indeed "born that way"; I've known since I was about six. Nobody raped me and made me gay, nobody seduced me and made me gay, my parents weren't divorced so there's no lack of a father figure that made me gay... I. Just. Am. Gay. Always have been. (I mean, I knew I was gay before I knew the word "gay"; when the other boys were just starting to notice the girls, I had already noticed the other boys.) And for "landoasskissian"... homosexuality is immoral and wrong according to your religion, which to me is immoral and wrong. You trot out all the same tired old cliches that you've heard from the pulpit, and I'm gonna trot out the same tired old argument: if sex is for procreation only, did you ever do it when you weren't intending to make a child? Did you ever use a rubber, cause that gets in the way of the procreation, so that must be immoral and wrong, too. Do you think infertile couples should be banned from having sex? Cause if one or both partners is incapable of causing a pregnancy, well what's the point, right? The depth of ignorance shown by some posters on this board just astounds me...

  • July 18, 2005, 2:09 a.m. CST

    Wow, I feel sad for humanity

    by theoneofblood

    If people like homewrecker exist, what hope do we have?

  • July 18, 2005, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Thanks, Slapshot.

    by FelatioHornblowr

    I salute you, sir. Never really expect to see any honesty or openness on a Talkback so it's always kind of wild when it happens. And that's all I got. Good night.

  • July 18, 2005, 2:16 a.m. CST

    what the fuck

    by whatyoufear

    moviemack.. your arguments are weightless. you spent how many months complaining and moaning about how bad batman begins would be because.. it was ORANGE? if you are going to hate on movies based on the colors used within them, please stay away from EYES WIDE SHUT.. it might remind you too much of batman begins AND superman returns.. all at once. asshole.

  • July 18, 2005, 2:28 a.m. CST

    Okay, anti-gay fighters...

    by kintar0

    what's your solution to the "gay problem?" Give us a straight answer. What would you do to fix this "problem?" What would you do with or to the millions of gay people all over the world? How would you eradicate homosexuality? You are all so very impassioned, you obviously have an agenda to solve this terrible problem of who's allowed to love who, so where's your answer?

  • July 18, 2005, 2:35 a.m. CST


    by Ribbons's laughable that you have the chutzpah to call elevating 'Spider-Man 2' above 'Daredevil' laughable. Adult-oriented fare? Fuck you and your "dark" movies. I would say that Peter Parker didn't "pout like a little bitch" all that much in the first place, which is impressive considering his friends were abandoning him and he didn't feel like he made a difference in his profession. Daredevil had drama too. Big fucking deal. The only difference is Peter Parker didn't crash other people's cars and wreck his own apartment over it. But that's "adult-oriented" for ya, right? Sorry that your avatars all have to be badass, but if the sight of angst makes you squirm then that's your fucking problem. 'Spider-Man 2' may not have been adult "oriented" in the same manner that 'Daredevil' arguably was, but it was just as watchable for adults as it was for children.

  • July 18, 2005, 2:36 a.m. CST

    I work with a lot of homosexuals who do the exact same job I do.

    by buckaroo_banzai

    and I have many gay friends and you know what? Not a single one has ever made a pass at me or tried to convert me. And we're talking hundreds and hundreds of homosexuals. I think the only people who hate/fear homosexuals are the people who have never met/spent time with gay people.

  • July 18, 2005, 3:21 a.m. CST

    Ease down, Ribbons, ease down.

    by Serious Black

    There is a measure of frustration involved when a film one considers superior is ridiculed while a film one considers inferior albeit still enjoyable is lauded as the greatest film of all time. I enjoyed Spider-Man 2 overall, but not as much as I enjoyed the Daredevil Director's Cut. You and probably most other people feel differently. To each his own.

  • July 18, 2005, 3:30 a.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    You're right, but I'd be cool with it if it weren't for the fact this dude comes in, pistols-poppin, and says that the fact that anyone even considers the possibility is "laughable." And then goes on to give some vague stmamp of approval by calling it "adult-oriented fare." What does that mean, exactly? If he had the balls to just call it "dark" like he probably wanted to it would have been easier for me to just ignore him to begin with, but if homeboy thinks that 'Daredevil' deals with more relevant issues or earns its emotions more than 'Spider-Man 2' to the extent that it's "laughable" anyone disagree, yeah I'm gonna call him on it. And I don't care if I sound disproportionately angry.

  • July 18, 2005, 3:32 a.m. CST

    jesus.... how many fucking idiots visit this site?

    by Mr Chuff

  • July 18, 2005, 3:35 a.m. CST

    The Gay cure and comparison to drug addiction...

    by lutz

    There has never been a single creditable case of a "gay cure" where the subject hasn't turned back to homosexuality or been physically altered to such an extent that they are no longer able to function sexually (Lobotamy). There was a Christian associated group that claimed to have cured gays, however, over time all the subjects reverted. Now. Cross reference this with cases of drug addiction.... I'm off to get my hair cut :D.

  • July 18, 2005, 3:44 a.m. CST

    O K

    by whatyoufear

    i like how a superman talkback has turned into a gay rights panel. fucking great. not too surprised though, seeing how this is AICN and all.. i mean, what else is there to see here other than wacky, bizarre and off the wall talkbacks that go nowhere in an endless fashion?

  • July 18, 2005, 4:03 a.m. CST

    it doesn't matter

    by whatyoufear

    whether or not you are gay or not gay. the fact of the matter is that HARRY KNOWLES = MOVIEMACK!!! i can't believe this facade has gone on for so long!! i mean, are we blind?! it's like clark kent NOT wearing prescription eyewear for christ's sake!! and upon hearing the word "superman", the talkback reverts to it's regularly scheduled gaybashing session........

  • July 18, 2005, 4:10 a.m. CST

    Silly Conservatives, thinking is for intelligent people.

    by IndustryKiller

    Conservatives can keep fighting progress and the worthwhile members of society will keep pushing it forward. It would be faster without you but it's not like you really ever stop us for long. My question is why the fuck are there conservatives on this site? It's a site dedicated to art and the term "conservative artist" is practically an oxmoron. 90% of the shit covered on this site is made in spite of you or made specifically to push your ideology further and further back (which it more often than not succeeds in doing). Pop culture has a massive hand in the reason why the Conservative viewpoint loses ground on such a consistent basis.

  • July 18, 2005, 4:53 a.m. CST

    Sorry could you repeat that?

    by kuryakin

    Didn't quite catch it.

  • July 18, 2005, 6:31 a.m. CST

    This could be the worst sentence i ever read

    by Fearsme

  • July 18, 2005, 6:33 a.m. CST

    And here's the sentence

    by Fearsme

    "and, with a slight look of awe on his face, holds a crystal up to his face, the light reflecting off of it onto his face." How many more times can you work 'face' into that sentence. Love the site, dont want to sound like a hater, but damn thats the sentence of a 7year old.

  • July 18, 2005, 6:41 a.m. CST

    IndustryKiller!: "It would be faster without you (conservatives)

    by Triumph poops!

    Nice bravado. Too bad that chest-thumping belief of yours doesn't go hand in hand with the fact you Liberals are squealing like stuck little piggies running for their lives now that Bush will likely get to appoint not one...not even two...but possibly 3 or 4 conservative Supreme Court Justices by the time his term is over. THEN we'll talk about stopping you. As for why conservatives would come to AICN, maybe it's because politics aside we're MOVIE fans and this is a MOVIE site. And no matter what utterly retarded psycho babble you try to spew or spin doctor, I hardly think most geeky genre movies (like a SITH or a KING KONG) were created to specifically promote some kind of Liberal agenda versus setting out to be simple mindless entertainment for the masses to enjoy and for studios to get rich from. So get over yourself and take the chip off your shoulder regarding your politics already. The people around you just might be able to find you barely tolerable then...

  • July 18, 2005, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Are you kidding me?

    by Honky Tonk

    Bush is currently facing the destruction of his own party! Rove is in hot water; Iraq's taking yet another turn for the worst; North Korea and Iran are not budging; his Supreme Court choices will divide the GOP, and even then, abortion will not be voted down because it will only strengthen the Dems. And this Superman movie? I'm a Batman guy---not interested!

  • July 18, 2005, 8:11 a.m. CST

    The TRue Priapic is a TRue comedic genius

    by krullboy

  • July 18, 2005, 8:24 a.m. CST

    Landoasskissian... I'm born anew in your genius

    by Mr Chuff

    This TB is fucked up. Its a FILM.... live with it.

  • July 18, 2005, 8:28 a.m. CST


    by LGM

    I think the costume looks great except for the bvd hip-huggers. This has me worried, cause it's kinda like bat-nipples. Singer maybe letting his subconcious put homosexul undertones to the movie. Bat-nipples are gay and so are the hip-huggers. I've no problem with gay directors, Ratner is straight and he's condemning the X-men franchise. Singer's a fantastis director, I just hope he doesn't put too much of a personal spin on Superman.

  • July 18, 2005, 8:40 a.m. CST


    by banthafodderUK


  • July 18, 2005, 8:41 a.m. CST


    by banthafodderUK


  • July 18, 2005, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Landoasskissian. Dah...

    by lutz

    The Liberals will just argue that this is evidence of a Nation in decline.

  • July 18, 2005, 9:21 a.m. CST

    I Apologies...

    by Anthony_Cockpins

    I load this page and then I am loading my 'database' to store the jokings of my special friend Mr Priapic - this I do to preserve hes 'comedy' - - - - - - But now I find that this page is wider than my PC screen is wide

  • July 18, 2005, 10:08 a.m. CST

    OK, so since this has gone way off topic already, I figured I&#3

    by JohnnyTremaine

    Memo to Landoasskissian, regarding the whole liberal-conservative argument and election results: I'm sure you know as well as any that party affiliation (Democrat/Republican) has little bearing on one's political philosophy; there are liberal Republicans and there are conservative Democrats; there are libertarian Republicans and Democrats; and there are isolationist-paleoconservatives who are part of neither party. Party labels are taken on for political expediency, etc. For example, I'm sure you agree that, like him or hate him, Governor Arnold isn't a big 'C' or little 'c' conservative. He's a FISCAL conservative and pretty liberal on everything else, including social policy. I'd say he's more of a libertarian. And I'm sure you'd also agree that Zell Miller, a Democrat, is a big 'C' conservative. So at the end of the day, party labels and election successes largely depend on localities and other factors and less so on political ideology. Believing otherwise is just buying into the windbaggery of the Rush-Hannity-Savage-Coulter crowd who are simply broadcasting entertainers, on the same level as a Howard Stern or Opie and Anthony.

  • All statistics say that only four percent of the world population is gay. I know with shows like Will & Grace and Queer Eye it seems like they're all over the place, but 96 percent of the world is still procreating in the normal way, so the family is safe. I know the conservatives think gays are out to convert everyone to gaydom, but gayness isn't a lifestyle choice like Christianity. I mean, who would choose to be Gay if they weren't, especially in this country? It'd be like choosing to be a Jew in Nazi Germany.

  • July 18, 2005, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Something in the water does not compute.

    by The True Priapic

    "Diana?", "Bruce,what happened?","I don't know.Clark...seemed to..I just don't know."," I came as soon as I heard.I'm sory about Alfred.","It's okay...he was a loyal man..a good soldier.It's how he would have wanted it.None of us could ask for any less of a noble end.Diana?","What is is Bruce?","There's still one thing left to do.I need a heir.One to carry on the fight.One to keep reminding them all that Gods walk among us.You have to find her.","But who?", "That's her..on the television now...she's the last true hope for Gotham now.The only one with any noble substance.The last of the punks... Avril Lavigne.","","You know I'm right Diana.Bring her to me if you can.I understand she's something of a handful.","........... Avril.....Lavigne??!","Yes.She will combat the filth on the streets of Gotham with her rockin' beats and rebellious manner!","...... Avril...?!Bruce,perhaps you need time.....","No!You know I'm rig....","Wally?Aquaman?!Hold him down,Clark certainly fucked with his mind...Bastard...Jesus,what's that fishy smell?","Uh...oh,sorry!","Aquaman...have a wash for Christ sake?","A wash?A wash?I fucking live in the SEA,BITCH!?Jesus....A wash?A fucking wash?Look at you...huh!Huh?Wally hold that friggin' bitch" ,"Wally,no!What....What r' hhh....nnnn....ugh......ah...a.h..","Agggghhhh....ughh.....ahh,baby were 'wonder'-ful.Bwahahhah...","Aquaman,u is the bitchin' best","Bitchin'?Are you callin' me a fag,Wally....Is that what you're saying...Huh,Huh?Is it bitch?C'mere!","No Aq...that,I'm not goin' down there...Diana?Diana,help!...ugh....!"

  • July 18, 2005, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Stop arguing with the dogmatically insane

    by IndustryKiller

    These people are Jesus freaks (i.e. don't formulate their own opnions) Half the reason I went on my Conservatives neevr win rant (although it was true and no one provided proper evidence to the opposite) is just to bring guys like Landoasskissian out of the woodwork to admit that they are conservative (they are) even know he said he wasn't religious (he is). These people arent worth arguing with, they have a way of life that is slowly going the way of the dinosaur so just wait another 50 years and we won't have to deal with their laughable point of view.

  • July 18, 2005, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Theory on Lois' child

    by Krypton Kid

    I hate the idea that Lois has a child. Lois and Clark are meant to have a family together. But consider the following. "Superman II" is historically accurate in relation to "Superman Returns." Well, in "Superman II" Clark lost his virginity to Lois - after giving up his powers. Perhaps this boy is indeed Superman's son. It is very possible, and indicative of why Lois is angry with Superman for being gove for so long (not around to be a part of his son's life).

  • July 18, 2005, 11:38 a.m. CST

    You've got to admire moviemack's shamelessness...

    by Childe Roland the way he pops into the talkback, spouts "homo" a few times witht he intent of getting everyone up in arms about the film's creative team and then claimes he wasn't casting aspersions on homosexuality or even claiming that the sexual orientation of the film maker might have a negative effect on the film (what exactly was "homo-influenced" supposed to mean, then?). He was just pointing something out for shits and giggles, apparently. I was going to labell him the biggest self-hating closet queen on the boards, but then homewrecker started spouting his junior high locker room analysis of homosexuality and the threat ist poses to decent society, and I was sure he was going to walk away witht he title. Now, however, it's clear that Landoasskissian is the most unsure of his sexuality and has done the most "research" (probably sitting right next to Tom Cruise in the library) on the subject. He can feel the eyes of his gay acquaintances (note, they are not his friends... how could they be?) on him and he knows they want him. How does he know this? It must be because he has looked upon them in a similar way and sees in their eyes a reflection of the feelings he himself harbors. But he is definitely not gay. Definitely. Relax, asskissian. My suspicion is that any gay man with standards of any sort would want anything to do with you. And if you aren't personally scared of or threatened by homosexuals, why do you characterize their desires and behaviors as "wrong?" Are they hurting anyone? No. Law-abiding homosexuals are simply engaging in sexual activity you don't understand the appeal of (and, like most ignorant and fearful folks, you immediately move to classify and condemn that which you do not understand). Heterosexual rape is far FAR more common than homosexual rape. And the majority of publicized (and, as you and all good Republicans know, perception is reality) homosexual child molestations in the past ten years have been committed by Catholic priests (who aren't supposed to be having sex with anyone). So what does that tell you? You say you don't care what someone else does in their bedroom as long as everyone is of legal age and consenting, yet that's clearly not true as you feel the need to "take them to task" for their "deviant" behavior. Why do you feel that need? Do you have some unresolved issues with a priest or an uncle that you need to work out? For you or anyone who is worried that watching and enjoying a film made by a gay director might make you gay, you can just fucking relax. Singer's a talented film maker. He brought us the Usual Suspects, which was pretty fantastic, and the first two X-Men movies, which most comic book movie fans are pretty glad to have. Even his less outstanding work, like Apt Pupil, is watchable. He will likely turn in a decent Superman movie. And if you're concerned that he might get the taint of gay on the Man of Steel, then you really haven't been paying much attention to the comics (a guy in brightly colored leotards has some inherent homo-erotic undertones, regardless of who's writing him).

  • July 18, 2005, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Krypton Kid

    by MasterWhedon

    You've got something there...

  • July 18, 2005, 11:45 a.m. CST

    When does this movie take place?

    by ajt2k10

    Now? In the 40s? When the fuck does this movie take place?

  • July 18, 2005, 11:46 a.m. CST

    If you guys don't ban that fucking asshole moviemack for bei

    by MrBoinfoint

    I'll rip the internet in half. I'm joking of course, but Jesus, has anybody out there in Moderator Land taken a look at what this two-bit punkass bitch has been stirring up lately? Personal attacks, off-topic B.S., constantly ripping on everything just to incite a reaction, now he's gone all homophobic (blatant hate-speech, anyone?) to boot. He's broken nearly every single one of the Talkback rules. And he

  • July 18, 2005, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Hey, everyone needs the work in Hollywood

    by Da'Moose

    Regardless of sexual orientation, It's nice to see a "nobody" like Routh in the role rather than a recognizable face (Cage, et al) get the role. I would be more concerned with his potential to be typecast then whether he and the director are gay or straight. Honestly, I'm not a big Supes fan, I liked the Donner treatment especially Superman 2, it was not only a good auct5ioneer but it was fun, well acted and has aged well. AND most of the cast of both two films were relative unknowns (aside from Hackman and Cooper) before the franchise made them famous. As far as the "gay agenda" and other such nonsense, Batutta's observation, among many others are right on the money. Aside from the mounting scientific evidence that Homosexuality is genetic, why would anyone CHOOSE to be a pariah? Sex is a human impulse, with whom you have sex may be a choice, but who you are attracted to is not. I usually don't like comparisons to anything Nazi but in this case it is an apt one. Choosing to be something society despises is against the very nature of the survival impulse. If Gay people are born, not made that fact deflates the whole idea of "recruitment" which is bullshit. "We're here, we're queer, we are coming for your children," is simply a "fuck you" to a society that wants to tell people what to do in their personal lives, it is not a threat. Unfortunately most people don't get the joke. Also unfortunately, arguing with block-headed idiots who are full of hate is a losing battle. As to the actual topic at hand I liked what Singer tried to do with X-men, he fell short no doubt, but the effort was worthy. The

  • July 18, 2005, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Have some self control and don't respond to Moviemack

    by JUSTICE41

    You all whine about him, yet you all respond exactly the way he wants you to, Have any of you any self control? Ignore the person. It isn't that difficult, unless in reality you all really just want to Bash each other. This movie will be a train wreck just like the Last two Matrix Movies. All hype no substance.

  • July 18, 2005, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Jor in Hell.

    by Brit Pop

    I noticed that they are using Marlon Brando archive footage in Superman Begins... IS THIS CORRECT??!!?? AND IF SO... HOW THE FUCK ARE THEY GOING TO GET AWAY WITH THAT ONE!!!??? Was there a load of spare footage they didnt use in the original? Or are they going to Superimpose his head onto a modern actor? If so, they better do a better job that Oliver Reed in Gladiator! Or will it be an amalgamation of Brando screen time?? "Jor-El... the council does not believe that Krypton will explode... you are a liar." ... ... "I coulda been a contender. I coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what I am!" ... ... "Father... I live with the Kent's in Smallville" ... ... "Do you spend time with your family? Good. Because a man that doesn't spend time with his family can never be a real man." ... ... "Jor-El, how will we fit Kal-El into this space pod??" ... ... "Get the butter!"

  • July 18, 2005, 1:05 p.m. CST

    NAMBLA is fucking creepy

    by Kentucky Colonel

    I can count my gay friends on two hands and 1 1/2 foot, I must say that NAMBLA is fucking creepy and all those nogoodnicks should be strung up by the balls (which I'm sure would very well please a few of them, but no matter). That shit is just disgusting and wrong and all those ass ramming child rapers should be forced to have sex with ugly women for all eternity.

  • July 18, 2005, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Hey Ribbons...

    by Doom II

    I enjoyed Spider-Man 2 for what it was. I didn't come on and say "That movie sucked ass, Pete Parker is a pussy blah blah blah!" I've been visiting this site for about 5 years now and observe an extreme amount of hatred towards films I consider pretty good. Daredevil is one of the only movies I will defend on this site. I have seen literally HUNDREDS of posts tearing the shit out a film that I consider to be one of the more accurate superhero movies. I never gave 2 shits about the Daredevil comic, but really enjoyed the movie. I grew up LOVING Spider-Man (comics, cartoons, action figures etc) and felt like the movies were not as good as they could have been. I was bored by Spider-Man 1 but enjoyed the sequel. I guess it was Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst. They just didn't look like the comic characters I grew up with. Mary Jane is a 6' tall HOT redhead model. What happened? And don't get me started on burying the beautifully wicked looking Willem Dafoe under a plastic mask for the Green Goblin. What a missed opportunity! Some latex ears and chin, green makeup, contact lenses and a little CGI would have been a marvel for that character. I will never forgive Sam Raimi for that HORRIBLE decision! Daredevil is no masterpiece, but the Director's Cut has a lot more replay value (to me) than the Spider-Man films. And I say that as a HUGE fan. Not as a random asshole trying to provoke posters.

  • July 18, 2005, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Even if Lois' kid is Clarks, it still bothers me.

    by The Heathen

    Think about the sequels with "Superboy" and his Dad fighting villainy. If I see Superman team up with anybody I'd prefer it be the Justice League or just Batman, not his Superboy son (if that is the case)

  • July 18, 2005, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Does the Thing have a dork made out of orange rock?!?

    by Brit Pop

    Mallrats did raise some interesting questions about coitus between Clark and Lois... particularly the exit velocity of a Kryptonian load blow... and how a half-breed embryo's kicking will affect the mothers internal organs. Also, breastfeeding will probably leave the mother looking like a victim of the 'vampires' in Lifeforce!

  • July 18, 2005, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Justice41, this is actually teh first time I've ever even me

    by MrBoinfoint

    I tend not read it's posts, or those of the easily inflamed talkbackers that respond to it's taunts, but that's getting more and more difficult, as a good 50% of this talkback is now devoted to it. I've done my best to ignore it, thinking it would go away after the movie it hated so much came out and was revealed to be not just a good superhero movie, but a good movie period and possibly one of the best of the year. But it came back, spewing more hatred and vitriol in ever-escalating, desperate attempts to get noticed. All I'm doing is calling it out on it's actions and asking the powers that be to show some responsibility towards their own boards and to the faithful readers of this site and ban the fucker. And just to stay somewhat marginally on-topic: I really hope Singer can do teh Donner film justice, but I sort of wish he'd abandoned that continuity altogether and revamp it using Byrne's stories the way Nolan did with Miller's Batman Year One. And I agree with everyone who says Kate Bosworth was miscast. She's actually a very good actress, but she's just wrong for the part. Should've been Zoe Deschanel. She's like Margot Kidder's really attractive daughter.

  • July 18, 2005, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Doom II...

    by Childe Roland and I are of the same mind on the whole DaFoe thing. He shouldn't EVER have put on a mask in Spidey 1. And, although I loved both Spidey films, I still wish they'd have cast Topher Grace in the role of Peter Parker. Tobey lacks the sense of whimsey that Spidey (and, often, Petey) demonstrated in the comics (I thought a lot of McGuire's lines sounded like they were being delivered through the miracle of Prozac). Dunst should've gone blonde and been Gwen Stacey... and she should've died on that bridge. Then you could've brought in your 6' supermodel redhead (what was Topher's TV girlfriend doing around that time?). But, for what it was, Spidey (and its sequel) were very good comic book movies. I also didn't despise the theatrical version of Daredevil, although I never would have bothered to watch the director's cut if a trusted source hadn't told me how much better it was. And that would have been a shame. Like the first Matrix, it was a good enough movie that I didn't mind the fact I absolutely loathed its star. Oh... and NAMBLA is, indeed, creepy as fuck and there is a special circle of Dante's hell awaiting its members.

  • July 18, 2005, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Fuck you Mike Nichols

    by docfalken

    I can't believe you would even have attempted to direct "The Birdcage" and not be gay. I mean what do you know about being gay? Oh sure, I'm about 7 years late, but damn am I pissed about it today. And the hetero subtext was a little too obvious. I mean did you see them gams on Christine Baranski? You were obviously trying to convert all of the gay men watching with those incredibly long pins of hers. Man am I pissed.

  • July 18, 2005, 1:48 p.m. CST

    More shocking than Jude 'twat' Law cheating on his fine

    by The True Priapic

    I think Peter Jackson is taking the piss here,I fucking hope to God he is!!!!And I quote...."...Peter Jackson today confirmed that he is using Canadian pop-moppet Avril Lavigne to record a song for the end of his monkey-movie re-make,King Kong...Lavigne,11 is best known for her rebellious pop-tastic hits "Complicated","Damn Cold Night" and "Mommy,what does it mean if it turns Blue",has caused consternation in the Kong camp and fans seem unconvinced of her suitability...when asked Jackson retorted "We're delighted that Avril is joining us as her music truly portrays the angst and inner turmoil that Kong feels....that and that fucking face she makes when she rocks out..y'know that one that looks like she's shit herself."Lavigne has not returned calls but a publicist remarked "Avril's delighted to be working with PJ although she's having a little trouble understanding the Kiwi accents as she says their vowels are,and I quote,"like,all,like wrong and stuff".Lavigne is presently hunting deer in Canada." Can you people believe this shit????Jackson's lost it.Who's he cast as Sandy and Piggsy in this by the way?

  • July 18, 2005, 2:34 p.m. CST

    ow what I've missed!?!?

    by trevorfactor

    Yes I also heard marlon brando footage as been un archived to be placed into the movie but more importantly will do they have any footage of chistopher reeves? If they can get lou ferigno & stan lee in Hulk they should be able to do this. damn it!

  • July 18, 2005, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Brando Shakur...

    by Brit Pop

    If Brando does get into Superman Begins... who gets the cash??? Denny's??

  • July 18, 2005, 3 p.m. CST

    Denny's menu

    by trevorfactor

    I would think since Brando was already paid for Superman this woudn't generate any additional $$$$ but speaking of denny's menu have any of you seen Strong Bad emails its choice for killing time, see specificcally Dragon (thats my fav) trogdore the burninator

  • July 18, 2005, 3 p.m. CST

    So Bryan SInger is Gay?

    by Quin the Eskimo


  • July 18, 2005, 3:03 p.m. CST


    by MasterWhedon

    HAHAHAHAHAHA!! Sarcasm and satire are beautiful things.

  • July 18, 2005, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Totally off topic... please disregard..

    by Brit Pop

    Voice of Aslan... one person has been omitted... Matt Stone (or Trey Parker... not sure which). Does anyone remember the 'Here Comes The Neighbourhood' episode of South Park where Token goes to live with the lions... "GREETINGS YOUNG LION APPRENTICE!!! I HAVE JUST ONE FAVOUR... PULL MY THORN... GO ON!! PULL MY THORN!" And so what if Singer is gay?? As long as Lois Lane doesnt become Louis Lane and they work together at the Village Voice!!!

  • July 18, 2005, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Singer?Gay?But he's so butch!

    by The True Priapic

    What about Spacey?What's with this "I don't talk about my sexuality,it detracts from the mystery and magic of immersing myself in my characters" shit!What was he doing walking his dog at that time and where'd he get his black eye?Why did he ring the cops and then retract his call?The world needs to know...ahh,fuck it I don't give a shit.........Some of my best friends are gay,well...they say they aren't but I know they are.A girl I slept with at Uni lived next door to a gay lad and she could hear him humping all night and one morning she opened her window to find a used condom had been thrown on it.Eurgghhhh...told me it tasted good though.Classy girl.....

  • July 18, 2005, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Alternative casting...

    by Brit Pop

    Woody Harrelson - Super Munson... ... Jeff Goldblum - Super Mantra ... ... Jorge Garcia - Super Manatee ... ... Tony Wilson - Super Manchester ... ... Big Gay Al - Super, Thanks For Asking!

  • July 18, 2005, 3:29 p.m. CST

    are the parameters of this talkback all screwy for anyone else o

    by trevorfactor

  • July 18, 2005, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Queer Eye for the Comic Book Guy

    by docfalken

    I mean really think about it. A very muscular man with perfect skin and teeth who runs around in his tight red underwear while sporting a cape! I hope there is a team of hundreds of gay men working on this flick so that Supes looks as good as he is supposed to look. I mean if I would be directing the film I would have cast Dan Haggerty. But I've always been a bear lover anyway. Oh yeah, don't tell my wife or kids because it will really mess things up at home for me. And another thing, stop messing up the format on the site. TinyURL please.

  • July 18, 2005, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Hey Childe....

    by Doom II

    I do agree that the Spider-Man movies were decent and fairly loyal to the source material, but the your bit about Maguire delivering each line through the miracle of Prozac is dead-on. He mumbles and whines and pouts like he has autism or something. Even in Spider-Man 2 after what we assume is a year after the events of the first film as Spider-Man, he's still a huge pussy. He's spineless when not in costume. If I had the power to kill a man with one blow, I would start to get a bit cocky. Especially if everyone was shitting on me all the time (his pizza boss, customers, Jameson, girls). In the comics, Parker was a little wimpy at first, but he NEVER walked around whining and was not the spineless jellyfish that Maguire is. Even in the 1967 cartoon series, Peter Parker was dating girls (or at least missing dates)and kicking some ass on a daily basis. I guess that's why Daredevil is so refreshing. He has problems, but instead of a "golly gee wiz" attitude, he self medicates and kicks the shit out of people to work out his inner demons. After a Spider-Man film and 2 hours of Tobey boo-hooing, I feel like I need therapy.

  • July 18, 2005, 3:49 p.m. CST

    God is cruel

    by The True Priapic

    How fucking unlucky is that?To go through life,from birth,fancying mens bums!This is why men will never understand women,they get all dewy at the thought of man-tocks!Smelly,filthy dirty places,are these.Hairy,n'all.Women and gay men.Mad as hatters,I tell ya.Smelly,fetid cocks n'all.Uch!Then again even the most homosexual-loving-liberal would still feel just by killing that dreadful cunt Craig on Big Brother.Eurghhh.Nurse,my dose is running out...Nurse...I can feel the red mist.....descending......Must.Kill.Craig.

  • July 18, 2005, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Tiny URL...

    by Brit Pop

    Yeah... i have to scroll across to read the talkbacks for some reason.. whats up with that??

  • July 18, 2005, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Not sure what is up with the scrolling ...

    by docfalken

    I'm trying to figure out which post is breaking it right now.

  • July 18, 2005, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Chap up the top...

    by The True Priapic

    ..called Anthony_Cockpins took the blame for the format.How he did it?Unknown....Britpop,that was an almighty fuckin' nightmare after you left the pub on Saturday!Loony tune birds,them!Jeesus.

  • July 18, 2005, 3:50 p.m. CST

    spacey bald

    by trevorfactor

    didn't we already see that at the end of Austin Powers or was it the begining? whatever! this talk back is making my mouse tired, damn you Quint. ow ps brit pop do you guys get the new episodes of Family guy over there?

  • Assuming SB grosses big at the box office, and they used Zod et al in a sequel... who should play Zod, Ursa and Non?? I say Daniel D-L for Zod, Natalie Portman for Ursa and Keanu Reeves for Non - at least he wont be able to speak that way!!!

  • July 18, 2005, 4 p.m. CST

    Anthony didn't do it.

    by docfalken

    I think it might be your posts TruePriapic. Let me do something to check.

  • July 18, 2005, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Dat was it

    by docfalken

    I'll put your posts back, but they had a lot of extra character garbage.

  • July 18, 2005, 4:04 p.m. CST

    The fixer fixes!!!!

    by Brit Pop

    We're back..... nice work Doc!!!

  • July 18, 2005, 4:16 p.m. CST


    by The True Priapic

    Uh oh,if it was me......humble apologies.Caffeine intake to be lessened.....Knew I was messing with the Gods and the order of the universe when I ragged on Avril Lavigne.

  • July 18, 2005, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Hey True

    by docfalken

    It was you. All of the consecutive quotes and periods without a space really messes this page up. Something on my list to fix but I've got other fires. I did remove your long ass posts to fix the page. Not censorship at work BTW, just trying to keep the peace. If I get a moment I'll fix them and put them back in.

  • July 18, 2005, 4:27 p.m. CST

    He says the wrong name by accident and has to hurry to correct h

    by Warren Oates

    That's just sad. You nerds are more pompous than the Hiltons.

  • July 18, 2005, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Tenuous Ceasefire..

    by Brit Pop

    Oh shit... someones turned up loaded with geek insults... let the games begin...

  • July 18, 2005, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Good Work Doc, and if you're still checking this, how about

    by Prophet Jeremiah

    I'm just wondering what qualifies as offensive speech. People who post a certain N-Word seemed to have posts removed, but "fag" or words I find similarly offensive are all over this talk-back. By no means am I advocating striking down posts arbitrarily based on the use of a word (someone called my post saying gays should support this movie to be offensive, so I realize this could become a non-stop effort on someone's part), but there seems to be no underlying logic or consistency in what is allowed and what is not. Any thoughts or guidelines? More curious than anything else, not looking to play "gotcha" nor do I have an axe to grind. I'm fine with answering orignoring inflammatory posts as I see fit.

  • July 18, 2005, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Jeremiah Johnson is right!! Rockridge should fight... Revvun!!

    by Brit Pop

    I agree, the n-word... Nerd, is highly offensive and should be monitored closely. Also, the g-word, geek should be used rarely! And as for 'fag'... I'm English and am smoking one now!!!

  • July 18, 2005, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Dear MovieMack...

    by Ribs

    Normally, I would say the best response to less than mediocre minds is to say nothing and let them keep talking. It only allows them to prove their idiocy to the world. But I'm having a shitty year, so here goes... What would prompt even the worst mouth-breather to post something like this on a site where people just wish to share similar interests and chit-chat about things that they like to gab about? I could maybe understand and forgive (to a certain extent) if someone with opposing views to the norm on a particular site were irritated by opinions that they didn't understand and felt the need to lash out, despite the fact they really have nothing constuctive to add. I can even see the merits in occasionally wandering into a one-sided conversation with the express purpose of stirring the pot. But, c'mon... this guy?? I'm willing to bet that's not his name and that he also doesn't use the same nom de plume more than a couple (if that) of times. This is because he is small. So small, in fact, that he feels the need to belittle (or vainly attempt, at least) people and ideas he's never met. Sad, really... Now, judging from his post, I'd guess he's the type that is laughing at me right now. "Look at that silly Liberal! Trying to intellectualize my scathing social commentary... HA! Those lefties are so lame..." And I can't prove him wrong. He's far too cowardly to post his name or a location (even as general as a large city) where he can be found. The fun thing is (and I know this to be fact because I've worked in a bar for 12 years) that guy's like this are generally the same in one persona (on-line) as they are in real life. Which means that one of these days, he's going to be beaten within an inch of his life... and he'll probably be asking for it. This has been a message from the large rational portion of my brain... thank you... And now a few words from the lizard brain (with apologies to any innocent by-standers)... What the FUCK did your parent's do to you in your formative years to make you into the hateful, ignorant, donkey-bagger that you've become!? Was it one of those 'bastard son of a thousand maniacs' things, or was your daddy (was it your daddy? Do you even know?) into 'photography' and 'role-playing'? Maybe it wasn't your parents fault... maybe you were in Cub Scouts and had a magical evening once at camp that you've been trying to block out of your tiny brain ever since by burning crosses and beating gays that you've anonimously picked up in skeezy dives (after a shame-laced parking lot blow job, of course). Well, maybe it wasn't 'nurture'... maybe it was nature... Maybe your mom had a predeliction for crystal meth and bathtub gin when you were in the womb. Maybe you were just born with the wrong number of chromosomes. Maybe your brain is infested with syphallitic screw-worms that have been munching away on those important synaptic connectors that qualify you as human. Maybe, instead of mounting your mom in a drunken stupor that one fateful night, your dad should have just spanked one off into the ceiling fan before blowing his brains out and ensuring that you would never be.... ...Either way you, and 'people' of your ilk, are a blight on the planet... ... I'd be surprised if you even have thumbs... ... don't take this the wrong way, but please give in to the inevitable tide of Darwinism, and quietly crawl off and die. Don't worry, the rest of us will eventually notice the stench of your decaying carcass, pry you out of the chimney and bury you in the yard... it's the least we can do...

  • July 18, 2005, 4:48 p.m. CST

    The term 'fag'...

    by The True Priapic

    ..lived in Prague recently with 2 non-smoking Americans,their faces when I said I was going out for a fag/hadn't had a fag for ages/could do with a fag/smoke 20 fags a day!!!Hilarity ensued.......

  • July 18, 2005, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Smallville is crap!

    by Nerdicus

    I just don't understand the huge fascination for Smallville. It's and awful show and Tom Welling is an awful actor. It takes every aspect of what makes superman an interesting icon and turns it into teen wb rubbish. Unoriginal, uninspired and all together terrible. I wanted to like it, but the shows terrible writing made it impossible.

  • July 18, 2005, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Drugs are bad... m'kay?!?

    by Brit Pop

    Nerdicus... Smallville is well worth watching for the veiled moral messages converted into super power storylines to teach 'the kids' about right and wrong - like when Clark gets exposed to red kryptonite... He told George and Martha when he had run amok "I was on red-k, I was out of control!" - classic! Better than Orco's morals at the end of animated He-Man!

  • July 18, 2005, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Hey Ribbons

    by moto

    Good point. Thing is, many people have tried to do just that, including myself, as far as trying to get some intelligent film conversations and debates going... but 99.9% of the replies involve insults, ridiculous comments, etc. Just not worth it. But thanks for an intelligent response.

  • July 18, 2005, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Danger Seeker!

    by The True Priapic

    I'm gonna put some waffles in the oven.Have some maple at the ready.Waffle,anyone?

  • July 18, 2005, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Lando is a pussy.

    by TonyWilson

    Hey thought that might get some attention. I've not been on here for while, I've been enjoying myself in paradise (you'll all soon see). Anyway I'm seriously psyched for this film. Sure I'm a tad dubious that the "S" is small and the whole Lois has a kid deal, but come on, it's Singer unless you hated X-Men (why?)you should have no fear for this project. Hmm, there was something else I wanted to mention..what was it?...Oh yeh Lando, you say that being gay is morally wrong yet you go on to say your polite to gay people unless they try and flirt with you. Mate, your a fucking hypocrite if they are morally wrong you should be out there denouncing them, handing them leaflets about how to "cure" themselves. Lecturing them all day and night about how wrong they are. Yet what do you do? Sweet fuck all I'll wager, you'll be polite or at the most a touch passive aggressive. Hell I bet you do that with all the muslims you run into. On here you'll spout your filth like you are a fucking crusader yet in real life you're nothing but a pussy who dare'nt say anything. There really is nothing worse than a zealot who doesn't have the courage of their own convictions, you're just pathetic.

  • July 18, 2005, 5:18 p.m. CST


    by spikeandjezebel

    I think it's amazing that nobody has yet pointed out this irony: Landoasskissian's posts rant about how wrong homosexuality and sodomy are, yet his User ID references licking out someone's ass. Funny stuff there!

  • July 18, 2005, 5:20 p.m. CST


    by spikeandjezebel

    Just want to make it clear that I personally am a big fam of sodomy and rimming, don't want kids, and am straight. And the sooner gay people have the right to marry, the sooner this country can move out of the ignorant dark age that we are living in.

  • July 18, 2005, 5:21 p.m. CST


    by spikeandjezebel

    ...of course, that should have been "fan". D'oh! Oh, and hi Cadry, if you are reading this!

  • July 18, 2005, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Look into your heart?

    by The True Priapic

    There we go...Waffle?Waffle?...theres some maple syrup...yeah,they're sugary aren't they..Waffle...No?NO?You don't want a waffle.I've just sweat blood and tears for you..Waffle...Waffle...CHOKE ON 'EM!CHOKE ON 'EM!I'll give you Waffle.....oh,look 84 Charing Cross Road has started.Ah,wonderful...wonderful...calm..calm...

  • July 18, 2005, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Rex Kramer... Danger Seeker!!

    by Brit Pop

    Yeah yous haters... Less on the anti and more on truth, justice and the American way... forshame!! What would Big Jim Slade make of your harsh words?? Or Cleopatra Bronkowitz?? Or Elliot Wilhelm??? I put a perfectly good Zod sequel post on and it gets drowned out in the 'he said she said' jive!!! Palpatine would be so happy to know he had so many new apprentices, were he not in a galaxt far, far away... but that was a long time ago.

  • July 18, 2005, 5:31 p.m. CST


    by The True Priapic

    Rimming?Sodomy?What about felching?Bleeeurghhh....uh...oh..I disgust myself.Just can't make my mind up as to whether to have a wank to Dita Von Teese or Hilary Duff.

  • July 18, 2005, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Samuel L.Bronkowitz presents...

    by The True Priapic

    Oh,man..that film...what was the advert for ..was it..."Catholic High School girls in trouble" so high and rewatched that after 12 year gap and nearly pissed myself it was so funny.Big Jim Slade....buh-BUH-buh-ba-ba--ba!John Landis I salute you........

  • July 18, 2005, 5:37 p.m. CST

    All You Gay Bashers Puzzle Me

    by The Slammer

    I'm not gay, but we NEED gay people in this here world. Shit, sometimes after you don't get action from the ladies, you're all wound up and need a release. I know I'm not the only guy who's roamed the streets after getting cock-teased and had a gay guy suck my dick when I needed it. Hell, I even had a guy give me 10 dollars once to do it. It's kept me from date raping a few times, I can tell you that. You haters just need to get a grip. Shit, I'll bet Superman could suck a mean one, but no way in Hell I'm letting him, know what I'm saying? I'd have an innie for an asshole instead of an outie! Wonder Woman, yeah. She can suck me all day if I didn't just rip off that snatch covering flag and go in balls deep.

  • July 18, 2005, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Did we quit when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbour? Germans? For

    by Brit Pop

    Slammer is right! Psychotic... But absolutely right!! We gotta get these bastards!!!

  • Where many readers just can't get used to the fact that there are two characters who might be gay. A lot of people really think that something like this can have a 'bad' influence on a teenager's sexual orientation. It just makes me wonder why so many people in the states are still so prejudiced about this topic. That's not to say that Europe is much behind as far as prejudice goes. It just seems to me that people here are starting to except gay people, although they're still not regarded equal in many fields.

  • July 18, 2005, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Young Avengers???

    by Brit Pop

    Is that the comic about John Steed's school days when he introduced Herbert Peel to his ex-girlfriend Emma Hapshatz??

  • July 18, 2005, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Well, hell...

    by Childe Roland

    ...if it'll keep Slammer form date raping, I'll personally pay moviemack and landoasskissian five American dollars each to tongue wash his balls. Homewrecker can watch, but it's going to cost him $15 (see how I make out on this deal?).

  • July 18, 2005, 5:58 p.m. CST

    You're all worthless and weak..

    by The True Priapic

    NIEDEMEYER!!!Slammer,the image of Superman 'kneeling before Zod' and giving head has put me off my wank.

  • July 18, 2005, 6:05 p.m. CST

    My new fave phrase... Thank you Slammer

    by Mr Chuff

    "go in balls deep"

  • July 18, 2005, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Who's gay in the Young Avengers?

    by The True Priapic

    Aurora's brother from Alpha Flight was an 'angry young man' but...hang on ...if you tell me who is gay does that mean you've outed a comic book character?Oh and your grammar where you say "except gay people" should be "accept" or should it?Are you playing funny buggers?Northstar!Wasn't it?It can't be Tony Stark.Surely not?Then agin..the moustache..the '70's flares and the drink problem...hmmm...

  • July 18, 2005, 6:13 p.m. CST

    "He's caged Non!"

    by Brit Pop

    What did Non ever do??? Is it a crime to wear black PVC and hang about with a bull dyke and a brylcreme bear whilst sticking it to the redneck police fascists?? They were ousted from Krypton too... intolerance is a universal constant!!!

  • July 18, 2005, 6:21 p.m. CST


    by The True Priapic

    Non picked perry up and smashed his head through that polystyrene roof in The Planet.Man,must've hurt.Knocked senseless by polystyrene.Seem to remember Non having a fan too!The only hot chick in the movie and she cheers him on "Look,the big ones as strong as Superman!"or something.He may have been caged but a two dimensional representation of Hollywoods disregard for mentally handicapped stereotypes he most certainly was NOT,Sir!What's the TPM factor for this film?

  • July 18, 2005, 6:29 p.m. CST


    by WarnerRobbins

    I have plenty of friends who are gay, and alot that are straight. Even knowing that i wish most of them would slip in a puddle of aids and die. I hate them both. Thanks Lil JImmy XM 202

  • July 18, 2005, 6:31 p.m. CST


    by eule

    that was meant to be "accept gay people". Oh and the characters are called 'Hulkling' and 'Asgardian'. So, no outing there (although I always thought that 'Beast' and 'Wonder-Man' had something going on).

  • July 18, 2005, 6:35 p.m. CST

    puddle of mudd...

    by Brit Pop

    fucking twat! Doc... ban these hatemongering fuckwits forthwith... Warner, you need a role model... failing that... a date with 12 junkie 'nerds' and 12 vials of rock... who only get to pipe up when you come.. Buckwheats... Buckwheats... Buckwheats!!!

  • July 18, 2005, 6:48 p.m. CST


    by WarnerRobbins

    You do realize that you are trying to have a conversation about sexual preferences in a Superman Talkback. Let that sink in. Now do you realize how ridiculousthat is. It is a movie, no matter what happens and who or anyone that backs it does not mean anything. Everyone is open to their own preference. Not a big deal, but for everyone to get all stressed out on this, it has no bearing. I can not stress how idiotic this is. People are getting pissed in a talkback, about a movie, which has somehow attacked people preferences. So now people are fighting cause what they think is the only way to think. That is the problem, have an open mind, read learn, and again, people are discussing this in a movie talkback. That would be like going to Best Buy and screaming about how PETA is the best.

  • July 18, 2005, 6:49 p.m. CST


    by WarnerRobbins

    You do realize that you are trying to have a conversation about sexual preferences in a Superman Talkback. Let that sink in. Now do you realize how ridiculousthat is. It is a movie, no matter what happens and who or anyone that backs it does not mean anything. Everyone is open to their own preference. Not a big deal, but for everyone to get all stressed out on this, it has no bearing. I can not stress how idiotic this is. People are getting pissed in a talkback, about a movie, which has somehow attacked people preferences. So now people are fighting cause what they think is the only way to think. That is the problem, have an open mind, read learn, and again, people are discussing this in a movie talkback. That would be like going to Best Buy and screaming about how PETA is the best.

  • July 18, 2005, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Tyler Durden

    by Brit Pop

    How can you go from wishing your gay friends dead in a 'puddle of aids' to a fairly intelligent observation about the banality of this talkback?? Dude..

  • July 18, 2005, 7:05 p.m. CST

    And for your information.....

    by Brit Pop

    ...I like PETA, Peter Jacksons CGI workshop has done a bang up job in advancing realistic computer animated battle sequences... I would be proud to discuss it in any Best Buy!!

  • July 18, 2005, 8:02 p.m. CST

    DamnThe Torpedos...

    by loafroaster

    When someone is being abusive towards gay people, they are HOMOPHOBIC. Sexism is towards men/women in general. Anyways, its not the fact the a few gay people are involved in Supes thats worrying me, its the lack of a supervillain/s. KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!

  • July 18, 2005, 8:12 p.m. CST


    by loafroaster

    Just reading through the other talkbacks; the Doomsday story would be awesome! I never was one for DC Comics, but the collected Death of Superman book ruled. Alas, the fact that so many superheroes are involved makes it nigh on unfilmable...Still, Doomsday v Superman (on his own)...

  • July 18, 2005, 8:42 p.m. CST


    by WarnerRobbins

    I am completely baffled by the fact that guys in generality are the ones who can not stand homosexuality, yet they are the ones who say lesbians are cool. That is such a hypocritical statement, you can not have one without the other, in your words or terms both lesbians and males are gay. So to say that lesbians are awesome, and that gay males are nasty is ridiculous. so you agree to like one but not the other. SOrry to drop this on you, they are both gay. By the way people quit quoting the Bible, and come up with your own thoughts, not something that you read or that you heard, It is a book that has been rewritten so many times, yet you all act like it is the holy grail, it seems to be what makes people think they are better than others, kinda goes against its original purpose. If sexual preference scares you that much, live in the basement. You would find it funny how many people you interact with daily that are gay and you do not even know it. Must make you mad when you find out someone is gay, yet they were a perfectly upstanding citizen, till you heard that. Hypocrite. By the way get ready to flame me, I found that movie "The Passion" to be a comedy. Let the flames begin. Brit, I was saying that both sides of my friends i was hoping aids on, my straight friends also.

  • July 18, 2005, 9:06 p.m. CST


    by WarnerRobbins

    I find it funny when people can not have an intelligent conversation and start talking like they are a child. CoverMeWithBlood, i want to thank you for giving the best laugh i have had in a while, yes your argument shows me that you are an idiot. When you learn how to talk, and have a decent conversation, well thats not gonna go happen. Have fun getting worked up over a talkback, and people you do not know. I could only dream of a heartattack for you, but that would be nice. I would get much more pleasure out of your infantile posts, so please keep me laughing.

  • July 18, 2005, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Here Here, WarnerRobbins

    by loafroaster

    So much for having a talkback on a new Superman movie...

  • July 18, 2005, 9:15 p.m. CST


    by WarnerRobbins

    A few people ruin a perfectly good talkback, i am really interested in the film though, i just wish that i knew alot more of the back story, i never read the superman comics, but i really hope the movie is good. I never got the Richard Pryor in the third movie, i love the man, and the drinking scene was funny, but at the end you kinda go WHAT

  • July 18, 2005, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Lois has a kid?!?!

    by tbirdcomics5000

    Who's the munchkin? From the reel they showed, it looked like Lois has a kid...does anyone else think this is messed up? Is Superman supposed to break up their family when he gets back to earth? This is a real monkey wrench in the storyline.

  • July 18, 2005, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Lois is a MAN, baby. And that baby's a BUTT BABY, baby!

    by Incrediburgible

    God, I hated Depp in Charlie & The Chocolate factory. (speaking of the chocolate factory!!! GET IT!?!?!)

  • July 18, 2005, 10:51 p.m. CST

    I was there. I saw it ...

    by riskebiz

    ... and I was blown away. Any reservation I had about any of it was swept away. Bosworth works. Brandon looked fantastic as both Kent and Supes! Spacey looked exactly like you'd hope'd he'd look and the look of the film has so much love and care put into it that I simply can't see how this film is going to go wrong. Any nit-picking that I've read here is stupid fanboy nonsense and I ran into a plethera of these no-it-all losers while I was there. In fact, Singer did get a standing ovation, it was not half hearted. It was enough to get them to run the footage again ... which I did not see happen on any other panel for any other film. This film is more than in good hands. It is going to beat Spiderman's box office, if this footage is any indication. The only thing that would even smack of negative is the last scene in the outer atmosphere where Brandon is looking down on earth ... the cape looked way too CGI ... but I don't think they are finished with the efx anyway, so it doesn't count. It was perfect, through and through. You all missed out on something drop dead wonderful. Easily the most excited about any movie in recent memory based on that footage ... and I was a skeptic. Way to go Bryan.

  • July 18, 2005, 11:27 p.m. CST

    All This Gay talk is going to kill this movie like

    by JUSTICE41

    All the Bad mouthing Catwoman got. Singer gave the geeks and rabid fanboys something to latch onto by changing the costume. Just like The Changes in the Catwoman from Selina to whatever and the torn up slut wear. Superman's costume is cannon and should not have been allowed to be altered for any reason. Sure, change the material, add texture to it like Spidermans costume, sure, enhance the belt a little but the changes in not only color but in shape has allowed the fanboys a limb to grasp onto for bashing. The People at WB should never have allowed Singer to change the costume in any meaningful way. Just look at the animated Superman's costume. It's the same one that's been in use since the 60's no matter how many small tweeks artists have made. This costume change is the most drastic and unneccesary. They will pay for it at the BO. The Fanboys will beat this movie to death like they did Catwoman and Electra.

  • July 19, 2005, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Covered with Blood

    by docfalken

    Quit posting your rhetoric in the subject line. Actually scratch that. See ya.

  • July 19, 2005, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Say what? The costume is only tweaked a little.

    by Serious Black

    It's still the same basic Supersuit everybody knows. No way does it compare to Catwoman's get-up. I personally woulda ditched the red underwear on the outside thing, but whatever. The briefs shrunk a little, but it's not like he's wearing a thong. He's not sporting blue bell bottoms, sunglasses, a moustache and a 7 inch afro. I'm sure some these talkbackers expected Singer to dress him in a black leather vest, no shirt, and assless chaps. My only real concern is how that "S" is gonna look in motion. It looks kinda stiff to me, and Supes has gotta moooove. "Don't hold me back, S, don't hold me back!"

  • July 19, 2005, 12:42 a.m. CST

    What A Bunch of Lame-o's With Persecution Complexes

    by Warren Oates

    You say you don't care if dudes are fucking each other in the butt, but then you take the time to write a whole spiel on a movie board about how they're degenerates. Hey, Amos, that means you care. That means you actually give two shits about what dudes are doing in their houses. That means you have such little hope and faith in yourself that you decided a long time ago it was your DUTY to to crack wise on people and their lifestyles when it has little bearing on you. Fifty years from now, you goombas will sound like those yokels from the fifties and sixties who called blacks 'coons' and tried to keep them from eating next to them in some dive diner or marrying their white daughters. The world is changing and your ilk will soon be outdated. Here's to hoping your son turns into a gay so flaming he makes Liberace seem like Warren Beatty. And by the way, who the fuck are you, Lando? You're rich, smart, and famous? To who? Your grandparents? Your ramblings would be a field day for a shrink. You're a bundle of nuttiness wrapped in a soft layer of kookiness. Way to embarass yourself. Your bizarre, disconnected spewings did nothing but make you look dopey. Sprout some fucking brains and you can come back to the adult table.

  • July 19, 2005, 12:53 a.m. CST

    Think what you will but change for the sake of change is never a

    by JUSTICE41

    If it aint broke don't fix it. This Superman costume has worked for over 50 years onlt to have some fool come along and willy nilly just change it, just because he feels like it? That aint gonna fly. Ever notice how once people find one small fault with something they never will never like whatever it is and constantly find fault. That's how dissent starts. First you hire a no talent actress like Halle Berry who hates comics movies, then change the origin of the character and the name and the costume. I see a similarity with Superman. At least Catwoman tried a whole new approach, but singer is going to piggy back off of two movie classics instead of establishing his own version. But even though he's piggy backing he changes things. Why? What purpose did it serve to change the costume at all? None. Just some asshole in hollywood wants to put his mark on something. The whole he's been away storyline is Lame as Lame can be. It's as if Singer and crew sat around watching old Dallas reruns or Soap Operas and thought the old it's a dream or the ole lets send the girl away because we are switching actors and need an excuse for her change, plow would work for Supes. Singer is afraid. he is afraid to just go on his own and make his movie instead we get rehashed storylines with gimmick plot hole stuffers. Do I really need to watch Lex Luthor again try to steal real estate? Ok, Say Singr just had a Jones to have Supes revisit Krypton. Fine. The Death of Superman Storyline would have been perfect. He could have gone to Krypton found it ruined but on his way back he releases The Monster. A Kryptonian monster named Doomsday, who follows Supes back to earth and hilarity ensues. No need for other heroes. Still have a Starship returning to Kansas, maybe have Clark hang out at home only to find out Doomsday is tearing up the place. His return to Metropolis is Triumphant and he kicks Doomsdays ass for awhile but eventually falls at his hands only to have Luthor try to use the two bodies to make clones for a super army. Who knows but Luthor still trying to take over prized Real Estate? Boooooooorrrrrrrinnnnnnngggggg!!

  • July 19, 2005, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Maybe you're right, Justice41, but I'm still optimistic

    by Serious Black

    Maybe I just hope WB is riding on a winning streak after Batman Begins. I liked FF, but I'm no longer a True Believer in Marvel. X3 will be crap and Ghost Rider is...well, Ghost Rider. If I've learned anything from my hours wasted here at AICN it's to cry foul just as soon as you smell the odor. The stench of a genre-disaster-in-the-making is to Talkbackers like chum in the water to sharks. Perhaps, my friend, you're sense of smell is keener than my own. If so, then go tell it on the mountain, bruthah. Me, I'm gonna keep my fingers crossed and hope for the best.

  • July 19, 2005, 1:13 a.m. CST

    I respect you all guys but, I FUCKING HATE SUPERMAN!

    by Plazola_MEX

    Now i said it. O what a coincidence: "No bullet can hurt me, no punch, no atomic bomb can hurt me" bah! What a pile of bullshit. Seriously guys i respect all those who like Supes, but it

  • July 19, 2005, 1:33 a.m. CST


    by Plazola_MEX

    Thanks man.... I feel less guilty now...

  • July 19, 2005, 1:34 a.m. CST

    Hey Lando

    by EvilLiberal

    Your morals are Sound? Sending 1,800 kids to die for a lie is sound? Leaking the name of a CIA agent just to spite a man who dared call you on your lies to start that war is sound? Telling people how to live their lives is sound? Have I mentioned tonight how much I hate these people?

  • July 19, 2005, 3:18 a.m. CST

    I'm not gay fanboy you reckon Superman could have h

    by Mr. P. Lant

    It would sound like a jack-hammer on concrete.

  • July 19, 2005, 4:13 a.m. CST

    Read AINT-IT-COOL In Redneck-eese

    by TheSeeker7

    So someone on a music msg board website I frequent happen to link up to this site earlier tonight, it's pretty funny. You go there, choose one of the 5-6 dialects from the pull-down menu (Redneck being just 1 of them), then enter in any website in the "URL" field, and it'll pump back out what that page looks like speaking all fucked up like. It's damn funny =)

  • July 19, 2005, 4:33 a.m. CST

    "the anatomical falseness of homosexuality"

    by TonyWilson

    Lando, you inbred idiot. Have you never had a blowjob? (aha you haven't thats why you are so tightly wound).Seriously though how anatomically false is that?? Hell you've never taken a girl in the arse? In this day and age sex is not just about procreation. It's about fun. Something you really need in your life. People have been gay and bisexual since time began. It's not a big deal, except to fundamentalist arseholes from religions and from people so scared of something different that they find a reason to hate it. Don't bother coming on here with you moral highground stance, the fact is you don't have one. You said yourself your polite to gay people and don't heckle them or try and change (help as you see it) them. Well if it is such a disease or so morally wrong why aren't you out there denouncing it on street corners, why are you letting gay people go around with there day to day business and not telling them what you think of them? Because you are a coward who uses the old arguments of it being wrong or unnatural as an excuse to hate indiscriminately. You are the coward man. You post on here but you wouldn't dare share your views in any meaningful way in the real world. Grow up. Fuck this, I'm going back to earth2. TonyWilson out.

  • July 19, 2005, 4:46 a.m. CST

    "She even shaves her pubes"

    by kuryakin

    Hahaha - fucking hilarious. What a tool. "My ethics are unquestionable. My morallity is sound" Maybe so, mate but your spelling is atrocious. You know at first I thought this guy was just one of the many fuckwits out there in Webworld but now I see he is a comedy genius. Maybe he's secretly Ricky Gervais researching a new show. Think about it - the embarassing lack of social skills, the bragging about how great they are in real life, the awful use of English.... Also it would get Gervais out of that BBC2/BBC1 hole he's dug - who wants to watch a silent, scrolling screen where posts appear slowly over 4 hours ? I'm telling you man, forget 'Extras', the big show next year will be 'Talkbackers' with Gervais as Landoasskissian and Mackenzie Crook as Moviemack

  • July 19, 2005, 6:11 a.m. CST

    Fantastic Four....

    by Red Raider

    Fantastic Four has officially hit the 100 million $ mark, so there will be a sequel. The question is: Will Tim Story return to the director's chair for the second film? Personally, I enjoyed FF, and director Tim Story did an excellent job. Is FF the best comic book movie ever? No, of course not. However, I can name at least 10 other comic book movies that I found worse than Fantastic Four! ___________When it comes to those on this board bashing Bryan Singer and his screenwriters or supposedly being gay, do the civilized world a favor and shut the hell up. Your intolerance only magnifies your ignorance.

  • July 19, 2005, 6:31 a.m. CST


    by MaguaSynfield

    Screw the Xmen franchise - Bryan Singer has a permanent lifetime pass ( until he really, really bangs the beagle) for two reasons; Usual. Suspects. And, having seen the horrifying swath of gay-raping posters here, perhaps I shouldn't have brought up "banging the beagle". Some of you need little encouragement.

  • July 19, 2005, 7:24 a.m. CST

    "NATURE itself mandates that it be a MAN & "A WOMAN!

    by MaguaSynfield

    Really? To reproduce, this is true. But. Nature's buttcheeks are stuffed full of homosexuality. Brimming over with it. Apes will copulate with anyone, ape, ape-woman or ape-child as casually as you, or moviemack or homewrecker play with yourselves. Dogs do much the same, & those are just the examples that made it onto PBS. Were they trained to do this by Harvey Fierstein? Did they "learn" this at some Anal Academy for Animals? Unless Bryan Singer is going to have Superman get a rim job from Lex I truly don't give a flapping crap where he hides his wank.

  • July 19, 2005, 7:26 a.m. CST

    superman is gay! BRING ON THE AUTHORITY!!!

    by cloudrider`

    cameron!!!where the hell are you???after a decade long slumber, to come back with something like the manga-based alita is toooo tiny for you. MUCH MUCH too tiny! you need to return BIG! and nothing, simply NOTHING will announce the return of the king of the world bigger than you directing THE AUTHORITY!!! i know you love materials which can project your massive ego and ambition, and really, after a movie called TITANIC, what's more apt than to follow it with something called the AUTHORITY!!! besides, you like movie titles that starts with the letter 'A' or 'T'; the fact that the AUTHORITY begins with an 'A' also is beyond providence! cameron, it is your DESTINY to rock the world once again with the AUTHORITY!!! YOU are the only choice for this material - a more perfect pairing of material and director have i not seen in my entire geek life!

  • July 19, 2005, 8:16 a.m. CST

    top10 reasons the AUTHORITY kick superman's ASS!!!!

    by cloudrider`

    well, but the AUTHORITY is a six members team, so superman alone against them is not a fair fight now, wouldn't it? but then, me thinks even the joint forces of the whole gang of justice league and avengers would think reaaal long and hard before offending the bastards of the AUTHORITY, never mind picking a fight with them. but really, to get back on point, if six is too much for supes, i'd just pit him agaist the apollo then. and without much further ado... reason #10: superman wears a flaming RED underwear on the outside. nuff said. i mean, i wear red undies to from time to time, but on th outside??? that's just gay, dude! #9: at least, apollo is out of the closet and proud of it! he even hug his boyfriend in live telecast. #8: superman's home is an ice castle in antartic where he keeps a nice size collection of exotic animals from different planets(hey, dont blame me - i saw that on one episode of the animated show), officically making him the michael jackson of the superhero world. apollo's home is an USS enterprise's lookalike, 1/10th the size of the moon that hovers above the earth, where the AUTHORITY gangs also held sex orgy from time to time with celebs and supermodels when they run out of badguys to kill. #7: superman is luthor's bitch, that's why he always let him go easy no matter how many times lex try to fuck him up! apollo's is midnighter's bitch and NO ONE ELSE'S!!! you try to fuck the world, apollo will turn your face into an abstract art with a single punch - head off your torso, eyeballs and tooth flying everywhere bullettime!!! #6: supes wears a flaming red cape, making sure everybody in the world can spot him everytime he flies. how's that for craving for attention? apollo openly admits he's gay, but at least he doesnt see the need to parade his gayness around for the world to see. #5: superman's bitch is an annoying damsel in distress who always count on him to save her. apollo's bitch is the world's coolest(and i say that with no exageration on my part) superhero, who not only can take care of himself, but whose specialty is bashing badguy's heads with a 5ft steel bar(his weapon of choice), and whose method of interogation is zapping badguys' crotch with electricity. plus, he can be counted on, just in case apollo is taking too long a time to deal with one particular supervillain. #4: three supervillains of supes' equivalent give him a hard time in movie2. the AUTHORITY in issue#1, page#1 - hundreds of supervillains possesing superman's powers come down to earth like a meteor shower and upon impact start obliterating everything in sight! and they're not even the REAL menace in that story arch. #3: supes' archnemesis is a bald middle-aged man with no superpower. apollo's archnemesis is , get this... NO ONE! NO supervillain, no matter how powerful they are, lasts more than 4 issues. you try to conquer the world or some shit like that, apollo and the rest of the team makes SURE you dont come back to start more shit! you mess up the world, you die a horrible and untimely death! screw higher moral ethic and being role models for kids everywhere! superman is PUSSY. batman is PUSSY!!! never mind millions dollars worth of destruction and lives killed, never mind oall that, the badguy has to be spared alive, BECAUSE... hey, we're still selling the comics - have to bring lex and joker back for later issues, you see. #2: i have said supes is pussy, havent i? well, it just have to be said again. pussy with red underwear on the outside. #2b - just so you wont think i was cheating with my #2 reason: kryptonite??? kryp-fucking-tonite??? what lame ass half backed invention is that? what a lame excuse to render superman somewhat less than perfect? and the funny thing is, lex or whoever always seem to find these laying scattered around the earth for them to use when need to. there's an neverending supply of it, it seems. apollo on the other hand, need no such lame concoction. he gets the crap beaten out of him sometimes, severely even, but that's because his badguys are REAL badasses, not because they're waving some green jade in front of his face that automatically cause him to have stomach ache! and the #1 reason, apollo can kick superman's ass is.... drum rolls please... ... ... ... is... his secret identity is a GLASSES!!! a fucking GLASSES, man!

  • July 19, 2005, 8:18 a.m. CST

    man, that is a long ass post.

    by cloudrider`

    my apology, geeks. didnt even noticve it was gonna be that long when typing. guess got carried away.

  • July 19, 2005, 8:34 a.m. CST


    by MrBoinfoint

  • July 19, 2005, 8:45 a.m. CST

    That's wierd

    by MrBoinfoint

    Uhm... just so you all know... homosexuality, while having been conclusively demonstrated to be genetic in origin, is an anomaly that effects 10% of the population, REGARDLESS of the prevalence of the genetic signifier in preceeding generations. Which means, in idiotspeak, ya can't breed it out. There's a reason it persists despite the fact that homosexuals seldom have offspring of their own. Think of it as a control device, working against normal exponential population growth. Increasingly, it's becoming apparent that sexual characteristics and sexuality are the result of specific hormones released by the mother that effect particular areas of the brain of the developing fetus. Much like the way that when the fetus becomes female, a certain portion of her pain receptors are in effect damaged or shut down, so that in the future, should she choose to bear children herself, the pain of childbirth won't drive her insane. Those of you who refuse to believe that it's evidence of natural selection and evolution, well, I guess you're just gonna have to admit that GOD MAKES PEOPLE GAY. And to keep this marginally on topic, Lois Lane should have been Zoe Deschanel. She's like Margot Kidder if she weren't hit.

  • July 19, 2005, 9:20 a.m. CST


    by Gruesome Wedgie

    How dare you try to talk sense to these people. The nerve! The very nerve.

  • July 19, 2005, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Supermans glasses

    by MaguaSynfield

    That was always a problem I had with Superhombre - puts on a pair of glasses & no one can tell that Clark Kent is Superman ( belated SPOILER ALERT). Not the most convincing disguise in the Comic Universe. What did Supergirl do - put her hair in a bun? Kinda weak, you must admit.

  • July 19, 2005, 9:45 a.m. CST


    by Brit Pop

    The people of Metropolis are so stupid that they need a Superman to get them out of the most siple of situations... like in S3 then the guy at the start is stuck in his car which is rapidly filling with water - there are about 30 people trying to get him out including some fairly construction workers... and not a one of 'em can open a door or break a window - the doors may have been locked - it might have been a suicide attempt! DAMN YOU SUPERMAN! NOW I GOTTA REPAY ALL MY CREDIT CARDS!! Metropoles (is that what you are called when you are from there?) have to be dumb to not notice the fact that the geeky guy who works at the Daily Planet looks just like Superman but with glasses... You would have thought someone would have said "Y'know Clark, theres a fancy dress party next week and you should go as Superman, the resemblance in uncanny... wait a minute?!?"

  • July 19, 2005, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Luthor almighty

    by SpikeTBB

    Perhaps the crystal Luthor is holding is the Prometheus Stone from the JLA storyline "Rock of Ages." THAT would explain a great deal, and it would open the movie up to all sorts of possibilities. It could also grant Luthor super powers to beat the snot out of Superman with his own fists. Something I could see Luthor doing. Sure, he could think Superman out of existence, but so much better to pummel and humiliate him.

  • July 19, 2005, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Ummm... what about Lois

    by Lukecash

    Doesn't Lois having an illegitimate kid by another guy strikes you as TOTALLY out of caracter and disrespectful to the whole Lois/Clark romance? This is an Iconic Romance...not Dangerous Liasions. I've got an idea that Singer is getting too full of himself. Having creative control may not be the best thing for some artist...especially on licenced property

  • July 19, 2005, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Logan's Run?

    by MaguaSynfield

    Didst I read aright - Singer is doing a remake of Logan's Run? I hope he lent an ear to Richard Pryor's lament about the original - everyone in the future is white. "I guess they ain't planning on us being here..." (and gosh, I hope his homosexual genes won't queer up that movie as well, like it did with the Xmen movies, Apt Pupil & Usual Suspects. Only men with large, heavy balls should be allowed to direct. What do gay people know about art? Honestly...)

  • July 19, 2005, 11:17 a.m. CST

    I'm not wishing ill on this flick.

    by JUSTICE41

    I would just like to see a director do something new every once in awhile. Raimi did alright with Spiderman even though he ripped off Superman 1&2. Singer did alright with X-men even though he made Wolverine a pansy. Story did alright with Fantastic Four even though(and we'll see if Doom is really Doom in the seq) he made doom a stereotype CEO of some evil corporation(which is just a hackneyed and really cheap stereotype). Nolan did a Fantastic job of re-establishing Batman, after all the day glow silliness. The fans may be slow to accept this new version but this new version is taking hold. In fact Imma gonna see it again this weekend at Imax. Why then could Singer not just reboot Superman. Yeah yeah the first two are Classics and sit in my DVD library but if a good enough story can be told like The death of Superman, why not do it. The technology is there the story is there, but is the will there? Nope. Like I say, Singer is afraid to step away from that safe place and really go balls to the walls. Safe is making X-men 1&2. Safe is piggy backing this Superman with the first 2. I don't care how cool the visuals will be or how cool all the SFX and VFX will be in this flick.

  • July 19, 2005, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Had to cut it off quick just now. aving computer issues.

    by JUSTICE41

    But to continue. Visuals and all that are there. We saw how well it can be done in the Matrix sequels. Now lets see if Singer can make a Movie worthy. So far from what I've pieced together from all the little bits and pieces of the story here and there. This is basically a mixture of Superman 1&2 with the Krypton storyline tagged on. Lex is still looking to take over some Real Estate, He's using things he stole from The Fortress of Solitude. Supes comes back to earth and hangs around his mothers farm for awhile before going back to Metropolis to find all kinds of things have changed. Booooorrririiiiiinnnngggg! I can't wait to see how a five year absence of both Clark and Superman is explained(silliest plotline ever used in motion pictures) What I would love to see in a Superman Flick is at the openning Superman and Doomsday are slugging it out for a good 45 minutes with the resulting death of both of them. Supes is taken up in space and given a funeral by releasing him towards the sun. Lex has taken posession of the Doomsday creature, Hilarity ensues. It writes itself from there.

  • July 19, 2005, 12:19 p.m. CST

    How did they explain Clark's disappearance in the comics whe

    by MrBoinfoint

    I ferget. Or maybe I never read it.

  • July 19, 2005, 12:43 p.m. CST

    i hate this

    by God-Man

  • July 19, 2005, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Clark was out on assignment

    by God-Man

    For five years. "Gee Clark, what a coincidence it is that you were gone for the exact same time Superman was, to the day. Now, if you will excuse me, I am going to bash myself in the head with this rock because I am NOT STUPID ENOUGH AS IT IS!"

  • July 19, 2005, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Maybe they will explain it using the Hypno Toad from Futurama

    by JUSTICE41

    Maybe they can say Clark was in Iraq searching for WMD's and was kidnapped and was thought to have been beheaded. Makes as much sense as anything they will toss in our lobotomized way.Because we would have had to have had the lobotomy Sups gave Doomsday in JLU to believe that tripe.

  • July 19, 2005, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Would this result in multiple veiwings?

    by SpikeTBB

    At the premier of the new Superman movie :::The screen lights up to a blank white image. The sound of someone snapping their fingers comes from all speakers. Superman flies onto screen and starts prancing around::: "I'm not gay. I'm not gay. I just fly around in a gay gay way. I'm not gay. no, no, way. But watching my film will make you gay." The words SUPERMAN HAS TURNED YOU GAY flash across the screen and a huge gay orgy breaks out in the theatre. Back in the projection booth, Brainiac gloats. "My plan to wipe out the human race, especially the Nuclear Family, is under way. How ironic that Superman's heroic image will bring about their down fall!"

  • July 19, 2005, 3:20 p.m. CST


    by Warren Oates

    Yeah, you sound sweet. Actually, it sounds like you flipped open the Male Fantasy Cliche Handbook and just typed the type five lame-o notions Alpha-Males like you dream about. In all reality, you're probably some wet-noodle greasebag who's busy playing Star Wars online games and because you had a shitty childhood, you've decided to talk shit about everyone else because your wilted, worthless life is shrivling before your eyes. Nobody buys it, dumbshit. Nobody thinks your cool. You've made yourself into such a joke, nobody believes a word you say. Besides, I'm supposed to be impressed by someone who names themself after a Star Wars character? Ooooo, you're so hip 'cause you put ASS in it! Gimme a break. With all that's going on in the world, homosexuality should be on page four of Discussable Topics behind "Are we eating too much garlic as a people?" Keep blabbing senselessly. With such cutting quips as calling me Hall & Oates, my esteem is really hurt. And dicknose, I'm not even gay. Supporting someone's right to a lifestyle that makes them happy simply makes them...what's that...oh, yeah, humane. Too bad it sounds like you've been eating paint chips, Mussolini.

  • July 19, 2005, 3:27 p.m. CST

    It rubs the lotion on its skin... or else it gets the hose again

    by Brit Pop

    Why dont they get Orson Welles to direct FF2, then you can all talk about how he used lighting and 'ahead of its time sfx' to really make the film a classic... and how you could really see what he was trying to insinuate in that particular scene. That way you could lick the boots of the director without really ever watching the film! Oh Wait... was he a great big fat person??!!??

  • July 19, 2005, 3:29 p.m. CST

    SB.. not FF2

    by Brit Pop

  • July 19, 2005, 3:59 p.m. CST

    LandoAsskissian is the best troll, EVAR!

    by WeedyMcSmokey

    I can't believe you guys bought that shit. But then again, no one I know thinks like that - maybe you guys live in strange regressive places. Like Knoxville. Hey when you read his posts, do you read them in a specific voice? Mine sounds like a fey Alan Rickman if he were from Detroit.

  • July 19, 2005, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Hell Yeah God Made People Gay!

    by The Slammer

    If you aren't convinced that being able to feed the rump runners after a night of failing to split the ass end of a diving rod isn't the act of a Merciful Maker, then I feel no hope for you joyless heathens. The same God that made the velvet hose rose, made us some men who love to dress and style staight women to look the way we want em for those of us who appreciate the ladies. You gay haters need to get on your knees and assume the supplication station and give props to the Allmighty. As for you ThaSithMaster, if that's your real name, which I doubt, no amount of wishing is gonna make it so. I already told you I got nuthin but love for you people, if you wanna suck the nine inch Grinch you only gotta ask. I need a warmup some nights before I give Cindy Lou her present in Whoville.

  • July 19, 2005, 4:10 p.m. CST

    MrBoinfoint... Your coment is defying God himself

    by Plazola_MEX

    And you are saying a blasfemy. How can you say god makes people gay? That

  • July 19, 2005, 4:25 p.m. CST


    by Plazola_MEX

    And maybe some of us thinks that after Star Wars there is no future. The directors are shitting the franchises. Fantastic four begun a little lazy, X-Men 3 by the looks it

  • July 19, 2005, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Boinfoint! God doesn't make...

    by Childe Roland

    ...people gay. Superman does. Sheesh! Haven't you been paying attention? I think it's kind of funny that the concepts of Superman, God, modern values, morality, religion and change have all come together in this talkback. Why? I think I'll let Nietzsche answer that one. Go look him up. Meanwhile, I'll address the "change for the sake of change" point. Change is the natural state of the universe. Nothing is static. Things are constantly in motion and moving in countless different directions (this is why aerospace engineers make so much money - they have to sort out enough of that to keep our fat asses airborne). The universe is a messy, unpredictable place. To apply a rigid and uncompromising set of values and prescribed behaviors to something like that is begging for extinction. We don't change as a species simply because we want something different. We change in response to our environment and the actions of those around us. As thinking, problem-solving monkeys, we analyze, adapt and overcome or we die. That simple. Those of you high-handedly bashing the gay lifestyle should do some quick math. Look at the populations of the predominantly Christian portions of the world and the rate at which those populations are growing. There's a whole lot of what my dear, departed Irish Catholic grandmother used to call Stupid Sex going on between good little Christian boys and girls who focused on the latter half of God's supposed "Be fruitful and multiply" instructions. If you believe contraception is evil and sex is only for procreation, go ahead and count yourself among them. But you should also thank that same God for the "fruitful" part of the commandment... because if it weren't for those embracing what you would doubtless characterize as a "fruity" lifestyle and making their biological deposits in infertile orifices, we'd all find ourselves a helluva lot hungrier a helluva lot faster. Now I may not be able to understand how a man can look at another man's smelly, sweaty, hairy body and find love, but then I don't know how someone could want to stick his penis into any hole Paris Hilton has. It's all personal taste and what puts the starch in your particular noodle. And if a couple of well-groomed, well-dressed men decide they'd rather have at each other, bully for them. Just means more ladies for guys like me to choose from. In other words, you morally outraged asshats, look on the bright side and fucking deal with what is instead of blathering about what should be while you look anxiously over your shoulder to see if that handsome, well-groomed man is checking out your backside. Sure you're curious, maybe even a little flattered... but that doesn't make you gay - only your repressed desire to have sex with other men can do that. I kid, because, damn it, you guys are so sensitive it's just precious. But don't worry. Your poop chutes will likely remain virginal (except for the occasional strap-on you make the wife wear when you're bad) regardless of how many men around you engage in the behavior you find so repugnant. That is, unless your unreasoning fear and shameful sexual frustration get the better of you and you lash out physically as readily as you do verbally. Then, I suspect, you'll find yourself doing a bit of time with a bunch of guys who wouldn't characterize themselves as homosexuals... but neither that nor your rationale about how it's against God's plan will prevent them from stuffing their cocks into every orifice you have.

  • July 19, 2005, 5:30 p.m. CST

    I just looked up Nietzsche

    by kuryakin

    But he was too busy hugging horses the mad bastard

  • July 19, 2005, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Sorry to interrupt your work.

    by kuryakin

    If you have a second, can you fix me a big Mac and fries please? I'll take it to go

  • July 19, 2005, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Slammer, You're Fucking Insane!

    by Winky Man

    God, I love it though. You've done what I never would've dreamed possible, brought some perspective to this whole talkback. Glad there's a voice of reason on these boards.

  • I hope no one invloved with Superman EVER pays attention to the posts here, what a bizarre movie that would make.

  • July 19, 2005, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Ooooo, stinging tongue lashing, Lando

    by Warren Oates

    Wow, now I'm in check. Geez, I mean, really? Why so savage? Oh, man, I'm at a loss for words. Your brilliance and manliness have overpowered me. Take a big whiff of that testosterone! I wanna kill something, change the oil in my car, and beat up a faggot....Nice comeback, dipshit. If you weren't such a goon, I would be offended. Keep telling yourself you're sweet. Maybe someone other than your mom will agree someday. I have a feeling you're not too popular. The pungent aroma of hatred and lameness tend to drive people away. Sorta smells like greasy hair and bologna. Keep rambling, knuckle-knob. What's that I hear? Is that the whispery ghost of Roy Cohn?

  • July 19, 2005, 9:34 p.m. CST

    And If Being Okay With Gays Makes Me A Faggot....

    by Warren Oates

    ....then I must be a 'nigger lover' too since I went out with a black chick my senior year. What? I'm sure that's what you're inbred grandpa would've called me. The two of you are alike: hateful and small. After all, the apple doesn't fall far from the scumbag. Hopefully you babble like this in public so that someone will get footage of you. Then, thirty or forty years from now, when they're discussing gay rights in a documentary, you'll be spliced in, just like some bumpkin who talked about how "....niggers should be shot."

  • July 19, 2005, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Hey landoasskissian...

    by Childe Roland

    ...if you were driving in your car and some guy, possibly gay, honked at you from inside a car behind you on the road, what would you do? I'm testing a theory.

  • July 20, 2005, 1:16 a.m. CST

    It's like Romper Room in here.

    by JUSTICE41

    How does anyone who doesn't care aboy gays even learn all that tripe? I've never heard so much gay bashing in my life. Some clever, most boorish. But how is it that soemone can claim to not hate or not give a good god damn about gays yet learn as many ways as they can to put them down? It's like playing the dozens except there's some true hatred behind those insults. And you people call yourselve's religious. For shame. Tut, tut, tut. And lando, yes it's a when did you last beat your wife question. Ya did good with it though. Never allow anyone to corner you with pointed and skewed questions like that.

  • July 20, 2005, 2:06 a.m. CST

    A Bigot and a Racist Are Pretty Much The Same Thing

    by Warren Oates

    Calling gays 'degenerates' is the same as saying 'nigger' or calling an Italian a 'deago.' What's the difference? Answer that in all seriousness? What seperates you from other hateful people, like Daniel Carver? How exactly have you owned me, by the way? With your dead-end Hall and Oates joke? Oooo, the hurting. Keep talking big on the computer, kiddo. I'm sure you silently judge people when you're out in public, but you're such a spineless chucklehead, you won't dare say anything to their face. Roy Cohn, motherfucker. That's all I'm saying. Roy-motherfucking-Cohn.

  • July 20, 2005, 2:54 a.m. CST


    by slapshot

    ... to those of you who've been decent/accepting. And for the rest -- LandoAssKissian, ThaSithMaster -- well, you guys should have been blowjobs.

  • July 20, 2005, 4:27 a.m. CST

    That Was A Whole Lotta' Nothing

    by Warren Oates

    What have you proven? You called gays 'deviants.' How is that a fact? If you were so intelligent, you would know a fact needs proof and you don't have any. You're entitled to your opinion, but it's still dopey. You type in this silly-speak that you have convinced yourself is how a mature, well-spoken adult would talk, yet it means nothing. It's one thing to read. You have to know what the words mean for the reading to have an effect. And, stupid, when you go on a board and start calling people 'deviants,' others are bound to say something. Don't try to loop people into a catch-22 that you're being accosted. To try to change your mind about something is a futile effort, since it seems basic human decency failed to develop in you a long time ago. You sound like those cretins who cheer during the rape scenes of 'I Spit on Your Grave.' You haven't won anything and you own jack squat. You've proven no points nor have you insulted anyone. You're just goofy. With your backwards logic of gays beating you up and everything, you went off the deep end a long time ago. You make no sense. There's no differenc between you, Daniel Carver, or John Rocker. You're all peas in a pod. Fortunately, your kind will be antiques in the future, so no one has anything to worry about. Gay people will gradually be accepted into society more and more and your bile will have meant nothing. Your time is ticking away and your numbers will eventually dwindle and you'll be forgotten about down the road. So, enjoy being a turkey. If that's how you wanna spend your life, so be it. Nobody takes you seriously and they never will. Anyways, your silly attempts at making a billion references to me somehow being gay are just lame and you're starting to bore me. Have fun chatting it up with Roy Cohn and Bob Dornan. Zeig heil, my board posting furher.

  • July 20, 2005, 4:50 a.m. CST


    by kuryakin

    I don't see how any of this is relevant to me getting my Big Mac. It's not like I asked for a Quorn McPremiere or something. C'mon I'm getting hungry now. Any more of this shirking work and you won't get that final gold star you've been working towards

  • July 20, 2005, 5:28 a.m. CST

    Butter and steak?

    by kuryakin

  • July 20, 2005, 5:30 a.m. CST

    Sorry I don't know these phrases

    by kuryakin

    But I would like that Big Mac now. Don't forget the fries. And a diet Coke as well. Maybe a Big Tasty - actually, yeah, get me a Big Tasty instead.

  • July 20, 2005, 9:02 a.m. CST

    So let me get this straight.... Lois has a husband and a kid?

    by Mr. Profit

    Why the hell did they give this to Singer? Why didn't they just film the JJ Abrahms script with tweaks? They could have eliminated the Krypton not exploding, and Lex being an Alien. Everything else sounded good. But now we have a sequel to Superman 2? Did Kevin Williamson write this?

  • July 20, 2005, 10:05 a.m. CST

    "Thanks for the help, but drop dead."

    by SpikeTBB

    I'm wondering if the source of the comic book movie problem isn't too many cooks in the kitchen syndrome. Often time more than one person will work on a script. Then, before it even gets to the shooting stage a lot of hacks get their hands on it. And every one of them wants to make a change or do something distinctive to it in order to put a claim on it in case it makes money. Not that the changes are needed, just changing it to mark it as their territory. Like the alien dog pet Brainiac was suppose to give Luthor in order for them to have a toy to sell in one version of the script. I remember reading some studio person making a comment like

  • July 20, 2005, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Do you do all this for attention Lando?

    by TonyWilson

    Because that's all your getting. No one here gives a shit what you think. Really, absolutely no-one. You can't actually argue with any points people have made you just insult them. You won't dare share your opinions in the real world so you post on a fucking movie talkback about hating gays. LOL. I guess it is just for the attention. Excellent job in that case. But you must a be a bit of a sad bloke getting your kicks like this. Nevermind you might mature one day. Oh and you said you worked in the movie business didn't you? How strange that you were a college teacher in a previous tb. If you are going to lie at least remember the ones you tell.

  • July 20, 2005, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Is this the LOGO message board?

    by Mr. Profit

    What the fuck?

  • July 20, 2005, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Hall and Oates Rules

    by docfalken

    Mock them not. With or without man butter. Maneater.

  • July 20, 2005, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Leviticus Also Says...

    by Warren Oates is not to touch anything made of pigskin. So I suppose millions of football players are burning in hell? You can't pick and choose The Bible, goomba. If the word of God is worthy of quoting, you better follow the whole thing, not the points that fuel your dopiness. Do you follow the rule of thumb, whereby women can be beaten for doing something wrong as long as the rod is the width of the mans thumb? Do you take Sundays off? God wants you too and it seems you believe in Him enough to hate fags? Why only go with Him 50% of the way? If you're going to commit, you need to be 100%. As for deviant sex, I'm sure you advocate a chick blowing you. Guess what, dummy, that's deviant as well. The mouth wasn't made for fucking, but I'm sure once you get a girlfriend, you'll try to mouth rape her. Same goes the ass. I suppose in your universe, heterosexual couples are deviants for butt-fucking as well. You probably even beat your little pud to lesbian porn. You're a stooge. Anywho, I'm done arguing with you. You get sillier and sillier each time. Have fun lying about being a teacher or working in the movie industry or whatever it is you fantasize about doing, lame-o.

  • July 20, 2005, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Sorry to leave you hanging...

    by Childe Roland

    ...lando, but I actually forgot all about you over here. It wasn't a trick question. It's just that some of the stuff you type reminds me so much of another guy who used to post on the talkbacks. Anyone else remember BroncoFan? He was awesome. He kept on posting about how tough and rough and masculine he was and how he didn't hate gays but thought that anyone who was gay or condoned that lifestyle should die. He also had this weird thing about people honking at him. Claimed to have gotten out of his car and beaten many a man for doing just that. Of course we all assumed he meant "beaten off." I'm pretty sure he got banned after a while and came back briefly as powermetal1 or some such. Secretly I always thought he (or both of them, if they were different guys) was really trying to undermine the ideals he claimed to espouse and, in the way he went about it, I thought he was an Andy Kaufmann-level comic genius. If you're him (them?), then my hat's off to you. If not... wow! Your parents really done fucked you up good!

  • July 20, 2005, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Okay, Lando...

    by slapshot

    ... time for some truth. You're right. There is indeed a "gay agenda", and guess what? You're the target. Since all of us gay people are brilliant and hyper-wealthy, I've spent the last few years and billions of dollars working on a viral gay meme, which you are reading right now. Within minutes of reading this, you'll start to get a strange feeling anytime you look at Brad Pitt or Colin Farrell. You'll go to the store for hair product without even realizing that you're doing it. You'll find yourself in the nearest gay bar, looking for someone, *anyone*, to help out with these strange new urges. It's taken decades, but we've finally found a way to put the gay on you. The story of the man who went gay from reading a message board will get picked up by the local media, then the national and international news. The gay meme will be out there, on CNN, in the blogosphere, everywhere. By the end of the year, there won't be a single hetero left on planet Earth, and our agenda will be complete. BWAH-HA-HA!!!!!

  • July 20, 2005, 3:54 p.m. CST

    What's the short bus?

    by kuryakin

  • I don't know what the short bus is but I'm pretty pissed off about not getting that Big Tasty. I was really looking forward to it too. I had to get a curry instead. The curry was nice but it was no Big Tasty. NO BIG TASTY, you hear me Lando? I guess you were busy what with being a college professor by day and flipping burgers by night. Don't you make enough money at the college? I'll leave a tip if you clear my table quickly

  • July 21, 2005, 1:18 a.m. CST

    I just read some plot spoilers so beware Spoilers. More likely j

    by JUSTICE41

    *SPOILER ALERT* YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED* As if any of you could stop yourselves. This may or may not be true but here ya go. Superman Rumored Spoilers. Luthor is released from prison because Supes is the only witness. (Yet Lex escaped from prison in Superman 2) The kid is Supes and Lois, she got pregnant when Supes had no powers in Supes 2. While SUperman is trying to find krypton Luthor breaks back into the Fortress (Superman has no locks for some reason) He steals some tech from the Fortress. Lex blasts supes with some krypton beam. Supes gets hurt bad and needs a blood transfusin from the kid. Discuss.

  • July 21, 2005, 3:48 p.m. CST

    "to put the gay on you"

    by Gruesome Wedgie

    Slapshot, that's pretty funny stuff, but its been on NPR for 1/2 a week now, so Lando has no one to blame but himself if he wants to prang Will Ferrell in his elf costume after reading your post.. "ThaSithMaster", you ignorant slut. I didn't think this talkback could drill much deeper into the outhouse foundation, but you certainly managed to do that. How nice that the anonimity of the web allows you to indulge your racist crap in "public". You & Lando should meet in a gay bar & bore out each others colons to the strains of the theme from Shaft. Un be fucking lievable.

  • July 22, 2005, 5:59 a.m. CST

    ThaSithMaster - horse's ass or what?

    by Gruesome Wedgie

    Is that all you got? You can't even read, can you? I was referring to your "nigger lover" blast aimed at Warren Oates. Calling someone a "nigger lover" in indeed racist, fucktard. Gay people had nothing to do with your post, or my reaction to it. Have your mom read it to you again. Meanwhile, shove your racist sentiments straight up your ass, if your head will move aside to make room. you string together insults like the impotent 12 year old loser you are. Clear things up any for you boy?

  • July 22, 2005, 9:32 a.m. CST

    The world has a way of...

    by Childe Roland

    ...taking care of mistakes like ThaSithMaster. Given his general attitude, I wouldn't be surprised to find him sharing a cell with a 300 pound black man who enjoys having his salad tossed after ramming Sithie's little asshole raw in the wee hours of the morning. Karma's a bitch, son, and so are you.

  • July 22, 2005, 10:11 a.m. CST

    "The world has a way of..."

    by Gruesome Wedgie

    How I would love to believe that. The gay thrashing was excessive enough on its own, but Thighshitmaster managed to get even lower on the evolutionary chain with his pathetic Klan Krap. If it were up to pudknockers like him, Alfred Hitchcock would have never been allowed to produce cinemagic, nor James Whale, nor an endless list ( is it gay bashing to point out the the arts do attract a decent number of gay members, more so than, say, the construction trade) of talented & worthwhile human beings with something to say, something to contribute. I hang around this street corner because I love talking, kvetching & trading good natured insults with the other boys & girls about movies. The great ones. The near misses. The blatent caca. Its sad that creeps like the above mentioned bigot are allowed to spout like that.

  • July 22, 2005, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Agreed, Wedgie...

    by Childe Roland

    ...but the boy is entitled to his inadequacies. He's spouting them here primarily to get a rise and/or some attention (out of an audience composed primarily of dudes and of all races and creeds...I wonder if the subtle hypocrisy of hating homosexuals yet so passionately craving the attention and submission of other men monkeys with his little mind at all). It's one thing to laugh him off (because he really is funny when you think about how nonsensical and pathetic he is). It's another to truly let him get under your skin. That's more than he dared hope for (he's probably spanking it to the thought right now). Don't give that to him. Remember what Mel Brooks said when asked why he chose to lampoon the Nazis in "The Producers." Essentially it was that you have to laugh at people like that because, if you don't, you lend them and their fucked-up, inbred backward-assed agendas credibility. Just food for thought. Peace.

  • July 22, 2005, 4:42 p.m. CST

    See Sithie...

    by Childe Roland

    ...even you have to laugh at yourself sometimes. You like that, don't you, bitch? Tell me how much you like it. And call me daddy. Punk ass.

  • July 23, 2005, 10:03 a.m. CST

    An Excerpt From My Play (Working Title: ThaSithMaster Meets The

    by Diana Rules!

    Written by me with additional dialogue from the AICN crew. "Come here and warm up the Grinch, I've got a date with Cindy Lou." "I'm not a faggot, you're a faggot and I'm a dark lord. I'll use my Jedmphphphph." "Yeah, you're a dark lord. Use that force, but not too much if you know what I'm sayin'." "Mmphphphphphmmmmmmmm. . . . " "Not too deep now, gotta save it for Cindy Lou, can't go all the way and feed you." "Mmmmmmmmmm . . . ." "OK that's enough, you don't have to pay me, you did such a good job." "Wait Slammer, I can finish, you're not going away are you? Slammer? Ma loves you Slammer, and Pa too. Come back Slammer. Slammer, come baaaaaack . . . ." That scenes about the second Act. It's still a work in progress so don't be too harsh. My thanks to The Slammer and ThaSithLord for inspiration.

  • July 23, 2005, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Oh, And My Apologies

    by Diana Rules!

    To my gay brethren and cistern as well as The Slammer. It was not my intention to offend any of you. Oh yeah, and my apologies also to Dr. Seuss and anyone involved with Shane the novel or film in any way. Let's see, anyone else I need to apologize to? Nope.

  • July 23, 2005, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Childe Roland 6, ThaShitmasturbator 0

    by Gruesome Wedgie

    Jesus, this is what letting people in County lockup use computers leads to - mental defectives like Shitmaster proving just how shallow the gene pool has run. It used to be to the credit of the human race that creatures of his ilk were rare...that time is over, I fear. All this pathetic lump of rancid DNA has are racist, gay & "tough guy" blasts. Oh. Ah. What a manly wee boy it is. I'd like also to take this moment to thank Diana Rules for the preceding contribution to slamming a truly virulant twat with allusionsto literary masterpieces ( like Shane eg). ( I'm using words over 5 letters long to really screw with TheMunchin's head. ) Hop on in! I'm sure Thashitmasturbators colon has room for all!!!

  • July 23, 2005, 8:39 p.m. CST


    by Winky Man

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. "I'm a dark lormphphphmmmmm..." Hahahahahahahahahahahaha, I'm practically crying guys. Too funny.