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A Druggie Psychotic Assassin Loser to play Warren Worthington III' X3...
Hey folks, Harry here - This is "A rumor" - we'll work on getting this confirmed tomorrow at the Con - but this isn't the typical fanboy name suggestion here - and I can actually see Ben playing the role. I actually liked him quite a bit in HOSTAGE. But for now - this is purely an unconfirmed rumor... Have fun...
Hi Harry-
You don't know me and I've never sent you a scoop. However, I have firsthand knowledge that as of today, the role of Archangel in X-Men 3 has been cast. The actor's name is Ben Foster, and he has been seen in such films as Hostage and The Punisher. This is 100% reliable and will most likely be announced in the trades by Monday.
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yesss...first again!!!
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Can't Marvel leave this hack the fuck alone?
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can get hit by a Milktruck
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Jul 14, 2005 11:35:52 PM CDT
Between the loss of SINGER, the exclusion of CUMMING's NIGH
by b a m f !
..I have surprisingly little interest in seeing this movie. As a card carrying Marvel Zombie and lifelong X-fanatic it truly saddens me to say that. BAMF!
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but that's the least of thise flick's problems.
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Jul 14, 2005 11:36:34 PM CDT
So that's some pretty shit casting. So of course Harry likes
by industrykiller
Yet another notch in the belt of the cinematic Hell dimension that is the comic book film. So Nick Stahl isn't physically right for the role but Ben Foster is?? Foster is actually a good actor but he's a bit on the geeky side for Angel. Some of you may remember him not from Hostage but from that other masterpiece called The Punisher. He was the insanely annoying guy with all the "cranial accessories". The whole comic genre is just becoming a black hole. Ugh.
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I remember during promotion for 'The Punisher' he called him "the next Sean Penn" (this was right after Sean Penn won his perfunctory Oscar for Best Actor). The point, Arad likes him. I don't know if I can see him playing Angel but I think he's a fairly decent actor.
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Michael Jordan would be a great Prof. X. and what about ice cube as the overweight wolvereine
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Who is igotbigballs?
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Jul 14, 2005 11:42:28 PM CDT
I gotta admit, I've liked Ben Foster ever since "Get Over It
by holodigm
But he's ten sorts of wrong for this part. I say get an unknown. Or Philip Seymour Hoffman.
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He said it stentoriently in some interview about all the RATner detractors. Even repeated it for emphasis. This coming from the guy who helped bring us The Hulk, Elektra, the Blade Trilogy, Daredevil, Fantastic Four, The Punisher, and an X-Men film directed by Brett RATner. But yeah Avi we are the idiots you stupid sell out fuck. I'm willing to bet any asshole on this site could do your job better than you are currently handling it. The only reason the XMen and Spider Man films, while still grotesquely overrated, have passed the fan test is because their directors aren't violently incompetent.
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That dude was decent in HOSTAGE when the Mars character went completely insane and got stabbed in the face, but other than that he was a dork. Therefore, Angel will either be stabbed in the face or a dork. Shit.
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Hey, I didn't say I agree with Avi's opinion. I just wouldn't be surprised if there was a connection there. I think I know what interview you're talking about and that pissed me off as well.
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Forgive my sarcasm. I'm torn here because I have to admit that I dig the guy as an actor although he's basically the same role modified over and over. But is he archangel? Hell no. I'm dismissing this as pure rumor until its announced for sure that he's signed on with the cast, but if it is true, this really is poor casting and just one more sign of total incompetence -- the end of the series.
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Jul 15, 2005 12:18:34 AM CDT
Heh, actually Ribbons I hadn't seen your post until after I
by industrykiller
Didn't mean to look like I was slagging ya or anything. I read that right after I posted and Iw as like "oh man he's gonna think I was talking about him". I can't believe Arad praises RATner as a genius, that's not even an opnion, it's stone cold fact that RATner is the most base of abilities. He touts the Jessica Simpson video as a big plus. Boy I can't imagine the level of brilliance it must have taken RATner to come up with the idea of putting a gorgeous woman in a bikini and have her gyrate. All hail the rat!
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Jul 15, 2005 12:22:59 AM CDT
Remember when studios casted actors that LOOKED THE PART?
by the ghost of marcus brody
what the fuck??!!
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Disney should re-air that show.
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Every bit of news that comes out about X3 is a big turn off for fans. Its like they are deliberately fucking up or playing head games with us. Some massive conspiracy to set our expectations low so we don't think it totally sucks when we see it. I like Ben Foster, he was good on Six Feet Under but he is not the right look for this part. I also saw that interview with Arad the other day, he's calling us idiots?!?! SOme fuckin nerve, if the studios were smart, something they'll never be accused of, they would put a commitee of fanboys in charge or how about this: DON'T GO AFTER THE ALMIGHTY $, ROTHMAN-FOX-ARAD, SET THE PETTY SHIT ASIDE AND JUST WAIT FOR SINGER TO COME BACK IF YOU HAVEN"T BURNED THAT BRIDGE ALREADY. The only positive that could come out of this is Arad, and Rothman getting fired, Comic Book Guys all over the world letting out a the biggest "Worst. Movie. Ever." and Singer having the last laugh. Fuck you Fox! Fuck you Rothman! Fuck you Arad!
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Nick Stahl was rumored to be considered for as well?
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Quality Barry Levinson flick and my first access to Adrien Brody. I remember Foster from it, thought he was quite good. I like this choice quite a bit.
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Is it because you've never seen him before? Or could it be because he's not Striking Young Actor, chiseled from the striking young actor mold? Personally, I don't think they all need to look like Abercrombie models, and I like that if it's a father/son story, he be a little younger. I don't know. Might be a bad choice, but, again, I've liked Foster in everything I've seen him in. I think he might be a strong choice.
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Jul 15, 2005 1:08:07 AM CDT
I don't care who plays Angel, but please no more evil daddie
by serious black
I know Avi says this is the best script ever, but that probably actually means it's the worst script ever. I don't care who plays who, or who dies or whatever. I just hope they make sure that the story is a GOOD story BEFORE they start filming. The X-Men has like 40 years worth of stories and all the genius scriptwriters have to do is adapt ONE. Pretty much any arc from the Claremont era would do. I wish they'd have done the Wolverine movie before this one, 'cause when this one bombs we'll never get a solo Wolverine picture.
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I don't even know who this guy is. It's just nice to know that Nick didn't get the part (hopefully anyways). All of it doesn't matter becuase this movie will suck. I predict it will be along the lines of that piece of crap, PG-13 "Fantastic Four", which I predict will have a massive drop in attendance in it's second week.
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He is a bad choice because he is the one that SHOULD look like an "Ambercrombie Model" and doesn't.
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Jul 15, 2005 1:19:47 AM CDT
btw, Philip Seymore Hoffman as Angel would be hilarious
by serious black
I assume that was a joke. So are we getting Angel classic or the sublimely retarded Archangel?
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i thought bendis was playing angel?
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then i wouldn't mind tony danza as angel...but that could just be me.
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though...this thing is still getting made?
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Hard to say. From what I read in X-men angel is supposed to be a very handsome and charming man, probably close to Brad Pitt's level (good luck getting him though). I'm still dissappointed that they are dropping Nightcrawler, he was the best part of X-2!
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Fuck Avi Arad, fuck RATner, and fuck FOX. the decision to rush this into production and hold on to a date is stupidity at its finest. Spiting singer, and to have a "summer blockbuster", all at the expense of a quality movie is going to back fire in their faces. If the screenplay ends up half as bad as the script that leaked here this movie will be the pile of steaming shit i used light on fire and leave on my friends door steps. Suck it up, shoot for a late fall release, get singer, whedon, someone competent, hell, if only to do the script, and then hope someone else cant fuck up the script that bad, if they wont go as far as getting a new director too. Ive read the x-men since the early claremont days, and have loved the movies, and certainly dont want to see this blatent disregard for marvels merry mutants. ,,|,, FOX!
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this but blonde http://tinyurl.com/bjz2a
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Falling off the cliff holding up a sign "It was fun while it lasted."
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...not some punk-ass it-boy. Boo on this choice. I'll give him a chance, though. As you said, this casting is the least of X3's problems. I'm wearily anticipating a cosmetically appealing, utterly shallow movie like Fantastic Four. Ugh.
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i'd like to see that
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I'm sorry, but Foster looks like he went into acting to get laid.
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I have no problem with Foster,he's a decent enough actor. The only problem I see is that he's average looking. Worthington I guess is more of a model looking type. So what and just GET OVER IT, no pun intended.
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I have no idea who Archangel is and I couldn't gave a damn about the X-Men comic books, but this guy would suck in EVERY role.
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I love Ben Foster. He was SO good in Six Feet Under and Bang Bang You're Dead, The Laramie Project, even the piece of crap movie Get Over It.
He's fairskinned, is naturally blonde, and has pretty blue eyes.
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Plus, I think he's super good looking.
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This guy's all wrong for Angel, but he did somehow manage to parlay his retarded schtick into a prom date with Lindsey Weir. Well played, sir.
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Which I thought was still going ahead. It's too bad about this movie - remember the way the first one opened, at Auschwitz? No way will any of these dicks have the balls to do something as daring, or so perfect. Wowo a sexy hooker mutant! And no Cyclops! And no story! Can't wait
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i wanna know who the hell is gonna play GAMBIT. And it better be good, or I am officially abandoning this project. oh yeah, what the hell's going on with cyclops? is marsden just not gonna be in X-3? cos that would be nice. He sucks...
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Never heard of the guys before - he looks like a cross between Giovanni Ribisi and Ryan Gosling. Not exactly the Aryan sex god type. I always thought that model guy from Sex and the City (Hey the wife watched it and er..I just happened to be in the room) looked like Angel. Dunno his name, the one who was pumping the old slagbag at the end.
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But please. Angel should be beautiful. Angel should be smooth. Angel should not be Foster or Stahl.
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Jul 15, 2005 5:30:43 AM CDT
it's a good job that fox has already put out an x-men collec
by dick laurant
because there's gonna be zero room on my shelf for this piece of fuckin' shit. and no, i ain't gonna see it in a theater either. fox and marvel, quit while you're ahead. either that or put it on hold and fucking grovel for all you're worth for singer to come back after superman. oh well, i guess it's about time that wb and dc got their moment in the sun.
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Jul 15, 2005 6:21:07 AM CDT
wait when was it announced that nightcrawler isn't gonna be
by the_dude_77
aarrgghhh!!!!!!1
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Thats the only possible explanation is to why the Marvel movies keep going from mediocore to horrible,while DC is about to blow the doors off the multiplex with Superman Returns. Think about it,even Constatine was better than the last three Marvel movies and i really liked Punisher in spite of singing hitmen and trench coats in Tampa. Avi Arad is setting Marvel up for the kill. Honestly,i can't understand this...Punisher could kick ass with a better writer/director and i think the directors cut of Daredevil was really good, atleast MSJ knows his comics and actually respects the material. Take a little time and find the Nolans and Rami's of each project before you offer them to Mr.Rush Hour or the guy that brought us Taxi with Jimmy Fallon.Batman Begins proved once and for all that give the material and it's audience the respect they deserve and you can make a fourtune at the box office and still do all of the merchandise kiddie stuff to appeal to the non comic fans.When a movie is good people will go see it and tell there friends to go see it.Last thing,ArchAngel was a blonde pretty boy so why not cast a blonde pretty boy type.This guys a good actor but he seems to be better as the dark brooding type. Rant over
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This movie is gonna stink.
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Not good.
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And I would rather have Nick Stahl. Less whiny.
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www.hbo.com/city/cast/actor/jason_lewis.shtml
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Jul 15, 2005 7:56:19 AM CDT
Forgive me if the questrion has already been addressed elsewhere
by inbloom
.....WHERE IS THAT WEIRD HIDDEN TALK-BACK THING? I was enjoying reading that - I don't see why it should have been taken away....
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tis no longer hidden, it has a name, and if you look at the top of any article it lists all the top TB's...it's the Forbidden/Phantom Planet one that was an old TB for hilariously wrong spoilers of the Phantom Menace. Presently the subjects are most embarassing moment with a female and the merits of Batman Begins...THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE TELEVISED-IT'LL BE IN BROADBAND!
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...about this movie so far as the next guy, but I have to play devil's advocate on one point: in Lando Griffin's post, he talks about what the studios would do if they were smart. While I agree that the coolest thing in the world would be to consult a panel of long-time readers when making a comic book movie, it probably doesn't strike the studio as a very smart play. First off, you have to pay that panel. Next, you have to educate them about the movie-making process so they understand what's possible and what's not. Even after that, you're going to need to hire somebody to wrangle them or reign them in so you don't have the X-Men taking off into space to fight the Shi'Ar Imperial Guard so the Dark Phoenix saga will remain intact. Then you have to have someone continue to handle them after you've cut them their last check and they're looking to spout their opinions on the still unfinished film to anyone who will read them on the Web. It's much easier, cheaper and, in the studios' opinions, smarter to just hire one guy to write a story and plug in approximations of the characters from the comics. If a character doesn't work for something the writer or the director or the actor wants to do, they'll just tweak the character (which is what I'm guessing has happened here... somebody thought it would be ironic and meaningful for Angel to be homely). In the end, smart for these film makers is going to translate into $ made and/or saved, regardless of what they tell you about story or character or being true to the spirit of the source material. If any of that happens in your movie, it's more likely a coincidence than a matter of intent. There are exceptions, of course, but in the end it's all about the money to these guys. And it's the classic argument, flawed as it is, that they'll cling to: "If you geeks are so smart, why aren't you wiping your asses with hundred dollar bills?" To the parts of the world Hollywood cares about, it's all about perception. And in those parts of the world, you are perceived to be a success if you make lots of money. Avi is perceived as a success, therefore he believes he's smarter than we are and there's no chance he'll assign a geek panel to steer a film project unless someone convinces him it would be a good PR move.
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Hey, better than nothing, right?
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Jul 15, 2005 8:41:52 AM CDT
Yes cerebud, but then again, EVERYTHING sucked in the Punisher
by mortsleam
'Round and 'round it goes...
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First off, the Punisher sucked. If you don't believe me, rent the DVD. I don't know who Foster played (was it Travolta's kid who gets the hand grenade treatment? That was a cool scene)
Secondly, If the writer of this script has the X-men down, then I can deal with Ratner, I think.
Third, i want to slap Avi Arad for his FF movie quote. He knows that movie was horrible directed and concieved. So what if it's #1?
Finally, I don't think anyone whould give a fuck about Halle Berry playing catwoman if the movie was actually GOOD.
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Jul 15, 2005 9:16:23 AM CDT
Know what? At this point, X3 will suck so bad that Fox should pl
by johnnytremaine
Hire all litte people for all the XMen parts. A team of oompa loompas with mutant powers. Also, hire Mike Myers to play multiple parts in disguise like in Austin Powers.
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s'true. And that Lindsay Weird is a fox.
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Maybe it's because I didn't see it in a theatre, I don't know, but saying Punisher sucked to me is like saying that the Whopper at BK is fantastic while their regular cheeseburger SUCKS! X-Men 2 and Spiderman 2 were great movies and other superhero movies fall elsewhere on the spectrum (usually on the average-good-great side). Rarely does a superhero movie fall on the average-bad-sucks side. All of you claiming that Elektra, Daredevil, Punisher and Blade SUCK are doing one of two things: 1) Changing the definition of Suck from "Really bad, horrible, plucking out my eyes and choking on my own or someone else's vomit would be preferable to this" to "eh, it was average." or 2) being so demanding of these films that you're expecting them to be blow-you-away OMG WTF did-you-see OMG whoa-ho-HO! and when they're not All That then you dismiss it entirely and proudly proclaim that It Sucks. There were good things in Daredevil and Punisher, some good in Elektra... I wouldn't say any of those three sucked. I would say that they were average, though. Let's all try to raise our maturity level a bit on this and other talkbacks and have discourse that the suits SHOULD listen to. When we throw around the Suck word so loosely it destroys any credibility that we were establishing. So you know, I'm also in the same camp as most of you are with X3 - that they should put it aside for now instead of rushing to meet the release date just to piss off Singer. I don't think that Ratner's direction will harm the film - I don't like his inclusion of a mutant hooker, but that's because I want to take my kids to this movie and I don't want to be embarassed by what's on screen. I also read Avi's article where he called the internet fans Idiots. You know what? When we lump average-to-good films in with Manos: The Hands of Fate and other MST3K fodder then he's right, we are idiots. Hypercriticism makes us look like the retarded internet arguers that we are, so let's take the Hyper out of it and be merely critical and therefore more respectable and maybe we'll be listened to. Of my two children one is a real angry hothead and the other is more cool and calm. They can be upset about the same thing but when one just blows up or mutters or mumbles about stuff I don't pay any attention, but the other comes to me with reasoned arguments and presents them in a coherent fashion. That's the one that has a chance of changing my mind.
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All you fucking fan boys need to stop being so negative! I am a movie nerd, I am on here a few times a day( i know it's kinda pathetic). It hurts me as much as you when a film with so much potential bombs. but you know what SHUT THE FUCK UP!! We haven't seen anything for this movie yet, they haven't filmed anything yet! so STOP YOUR GOD DAMN BITCHIN'. Ben foster KICKS ASS. YOu I am chose him for angle, probably not, but does that mean he won't do a great job, FUCK NO! YOu people piss me off to no end. By the way, I love you all, just keep up your enthusiasm (can't spell for shit) being a film geek is about loving movies, not trashing them.
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It was supposed to say..Would I have chose him for angel. Sorry I suck! ...... But so do you all!
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not that it'll matter when so many geeks are determined to hate EVERYTHING no matter what. yeah, DAREDEVIL, ELEKTRA, PUNISHER sucked donkey balls, and FF was "eh", but SPIDERMAN (1&2), XMEN(1&2), HULK, BLADE (1&2) were all great. the ONLY reason people didn't like HULK was because it wasn't two hours of "HULK SMASH!" the only fucking reason. anyone who says different is lying. basically it comes down to this: every geek thinks they know what will make a good movie. unfortunately for them, 99% of them will never actually make one. so, it's sour grapes. and if they did make one, i'm thinking something vaguely akin to the HOMER car on the Simpsons -- a gigantic and garrish mind-numbing failure.
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if you check some of his pictures on IMDB... not so bad. He could pull it off quite well, appearance-wise, and I thought he was good in Hostage, so... this isn't a concern of mine. Ratner is still probably my #1 concern, as well as the absence of Nightcrawler and Pyro.
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and that was entertaining. although it was nowhere near as good as SILENCE OF THE LAMBS, it certainly wasn't any worse than HANNIBAL. plus: all the stuff with Raph Fiennes and Emily Watson was great. i don't know. i think we all should wait and see how X3 turns out. i think you're makng way too much out of this.
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I am with I'mageek... I will wait until we actually see SOMETHING from the movie. Even then, I will still see it. And fuck all of you, by the way. Face it: Fantastic Four was not the apocalypse you thought it would be. Fuck off about it all ready, bitter clownfucks.
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Then Singer wil beg to return to the mutants, and we will just laugh, laugh, laugh...
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...everyone should go back and re-read it. The only language these people speak is $$$ and if they can crank out mediocrity that makes gobs of cash then why put the effort and expense into treating the source material with the respect it deserves?
If the abyssmal BATMAN and ROBIN would have had HUGE Box Office and kept the Bat franchise going we would never have had the incrediblly well done and true to the source material BATMAN BEGINS.
Where X3 is concerned i'm almost numb at this point. The last straw for ME was the decision to not bring back CUMMING's NIGHTCRAWLER.
We were spoiled by how seriously SINGER and the machine behind X-MEN's 1 and 2 took the material. They treated the source material with respect and awesome performances by HUGH JACKMAN, PATRICK STEWART, IAN McKELLAN and ALAN CUMMING et al successfully captured the spirit and essence of their characters.
I'm trying to be objective and keep an open mind, but I keep getting this sinking, DEJA VU like feeling that we are reliving the shocking transition from the excellent SUPERMAN I and SUPERMAN II to the abyssmal and alarmingly incongruent SUPERMAN III all over again...
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He really likes his teachers, lets hope Prof. X doesn't invite him over to "discuss" art. Not my first choice, but not bad either. Don't write this movie off so quickly. By the way Sawyer from Lost would be a great Gambit.
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Jul 15, 2005 11:05:32 AM CDT
This movie is gonna blow. Apparently Marvel feels that there ca
by r.c. the "wise"
Next year it won't be X3 but it will be Ghost Rider.
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Maybe this will be the 1st real looking Xmen film. Bryan Singer spent 135 Million on X2 and it looked ugly. Ratner may not be the problem, the script sounds like the issue. Any capable director can make a good film if the material is there. Do you all seriously think Ratner will blow his huge chance to win over all the negative internet fans and say fuck you to Singer's Superman by making a fucked up Xmen film? If he does he's an idiot and they should have probably went with Michael Bay. While I myself would have preferred Alex Proyas, I'm not going to get into the "Lets hate on X3" game this site is playing. I didn't do it when they talked shit about The Fantastic Four, I actually waited to see it for myself before saying it was a complete piece of shit. But I have given up on this francise after X2. X2 was not exciting and way too overrated with a silly plot and mutants that shouldn't be front and center. That baby Xmen shit was pointless. I am tired of the WB New Tuesday mentality when it comes to casting movies. But then again I have realized that these films are all being made for kids no matter what fanboys want to believe.
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I'm not getting my hopes up about this flick. I liked the first X-Men & X2 was better. The current production is, sadly, beginning to reak of dogshit. I pray for Ratner's best.
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Jul 15, 2005 11:16:13 AM CDT
I thought ANGEL was supposed to be ' THE MUTANT BRAD PITT&#
by b a m f !
..but at this point there's very little else that could additionally shock or dissapoint me in regards to X3. As stated in another talkback the seeds of X3's failure were planted the moment TOM ROTHMAN and the powers-that-be at FOX elected not to IMMEDIATELY lock up SINGER, DONNER, and the rest of the machine responsible for (the uber-succesful) X1&2 for the inevitable sequel.
Who knows... BEN FOSTER (The guy in PUNISHER who had his facial piercings yanked out) will probably do a bang up job. For WARREN i've always imagined that (a younger) BRAD PITT or ORLANDO BLOOM (Think LEGOLAS but with WINGS and sans the pointed ears) would have been ideal. For obvious reasons though both of those castings would be pretty much impossible.
If the script, production and direction turn out to be as bad as the doomsayers are expecting, i'm extremely curious to see how JACKMAN, STEWART and Mc KELLAN hold up in regards to coping with the dramatic drop off in quality from the 1st two flicks... We'll see come MAY 2006! BAMF! -
... a steaming, reeking rile of worm-infested dino turd. It was just a shriveled, ash-colored pile of sundried dog turd.
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Borring character... basically, he's friggin' Bird Boy. And I've never seen a movie yet where a winged guy was done so it looked even a little bit convincing. Since Arad and Fox seem to want to rush this out without any regard to quality, you just KNOW Angel will either look like the ludicrous Hawkmen in the old Flash Gordon movie from the 80's or like John Travolta in "Michael".
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A Dino turd! I hadda nothing to a do with it!
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Remember Freaks & Geeks?
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Marvel needs to stay the hell away from Fox. And its funny how all the Batman is a flop talk has stopped since the world of mouth has carried Batman Begins to the second highest grossing Batman film and the film has not dropped more than 30% on any given weekend since its opening. Marvel should deal with Sony, New Line or Universal when it comes to their properties.
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elektra 2?
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here is the link to the Arad interview - http://www.zap2it.com/movies/news/story/0,1259,---26229,00.html
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Skycrapper, you are killing me! Yeah, he did "make out" with Olivier. But, he was great. I don't know the comics, so I don't know how he measures up to the character, but I like him as an actor
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I agree with a previous post here - they USED to cast based on character description, now its, whose hot at the box office. That's how we got Halle and we all know how well THAT went over! JEEZ who the hell is the casting director here?? All I can say so far is 'meh'
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Any time a decision is made to cast a great actor over some talentless pretty boy, it bodes well for the film. Every role Ben Foster has played, he has completely transformed himself. There is no similarity to the retard in Freaks and Geeks and the sociopathic killer in Hostage. He's one of the most gifted young actors working today, and it's very exciting that he was cast as Angel. I can't wait to see what he does with the role.
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You seriously wrote all that bullshit to defend THE PUNISHER?? All they had to do to make a good Punisher movie was have cool action sequences -- and lots of Punishment. What they came up with can't even stand up to the dumb Schwarzenegger action movies of yesteryear. In adding (deadly lame) character development, they actually DETRACTED from the film. The Punisher doesn't need to be deep - he just needs to fuck a lot of people up. Instead of a hardcore mass-murdering vigilante who slaughters his way up to the big boss of a crime syndicate, we got a guy who gets drunk and plays practical jokes on people, and then has Thanksgiving dinner with his neighbors. THE PUNISHER needed to be like the first BLADE movie. (Blade basically IS The Punisher, except half-vampire.) You may disagree, but I don't think a BLADE-grade PUNISHER movie is too much to ask for.
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...and although I don't trust the man to treat the material with the care it deserves, he has a point about reviewing a film before before it's even in production. I'm not thrilled with the choice of Ratner to fill the director's seat, but I'll hold my judgement on his treatment of the X-Men material until we have something more tangible to judge from. Why is there so much animosity toward the character Stacy-X? We have no real idea in what context she'll be introduced nor to we know what her ultimate role in the movie will be. Also, the fact that Nightcrawler isn't in this one isn't the end of the world. The focus of this movie apparently doesn't involve him, which is perfectly consistent with the comics. Characters are traded in and out for each storyline. I like Nightcrawler, and would like to see him in more movies, but this doesn't ruin the movie for me. Patience, people, please. Show Arad and his ilk that the fans can be reasonable.
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Well, while I agree that Punisher could have upped the ante on the Violence O' Meter they probably wanted to walk that fine line of Likable Anti-hero vs Raging Maniac. They strayed into LAH a little too far, but that's what makes the movie AVERAGE instead of SUCKED. The movie was done well, it entertained me, nothing about the movie itself was BAD, but it wasn't the movie Punisher fans were looking for. It's again an example of hypercriticism. It wasn't a BAD movie, it just wasn't as good as others in the genre. Not once did I feel the urge to turn the movie off, fast forward through anything or otherwise felt put off by it. Of course, like I might have mentioned above, I didn't pay $8 for it - I used my awesome DVR/Cable Combo, baby!
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Check out his teen angst in six feet under, he is excellent in every episode, lets hope they get gambit right, even though Punisher was turd Mr Jane might be a good cajun!?!
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Jul 15, 2005 12:49:47 PM CDT
The whole film will have Ratners face laughing in the background
by tedsallis
It's true.
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...that Ben Foster doesn't look the part. It was bound to happen, though. If we are to trust the earlier post that began all this animosity toward this movie, they're significantly changing the character of Warren Worthington. The last two movies have pretty well established that neither Fox nor Marvel Studios plan to remain true to the actual characters. Take Rogue, for instance. In the comics she was a shamelss flirt. Storm was melodramatic and way over-the-top. Cyclops was authoritative and vocal. Magneto was a King, and a real force to be reckoned with. These movies are a whole different creature from the comics. It's about time we all got used to that. If you don't like what they're doing to the comics you grew up with, spend the money on your favourite graphic novels. Don't just bitch and moan that they aren't making the movies you want them to. If you want to make your voice heard in the hopes of bringing about change, more power to you, but remember that arguments are won with clear, cogent arguments, not name-calling and false prognostications.
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Actually, have Orli be the blind Bish
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That's why I'm trying to convince you people to stop proclaiming everything as sucking, or turds or whatever. Obviously some movies are better than others but if you can't talk intelligently about why you did or didn't like something then you'll be ignored by those who have the power to make decisions. Yes, chances are good that ignoring will occur anyway, but thoughtful disagreement and criticism is better received than blind hatred and vitriol.
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man,wish I could be as happy, interested and excited about X3 as I was for the first 2, but every new information that comes out, just makes me have that bad feeling that at the end, when all is said and done, fantastic four is gonna end being a freaking masterpiece compared to X3`s final result...
it`s really sad all the damage that a vendetta against a director is making to a promising franchise.. but that`s hollywood for you, they don`t care about the money they loose, as long as their egos stay up there... -
While Ratner aint the most inspired of directors out there, i reckon he might just pull this off. Dont believe me? check out the new Jessica Simpson music video with her in full daisy duke mode! He wants to bring jubilee in for X-3 and put her in those hotpants, then we'd all see some real fireworks!
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If it's true , then it will be official Fox doesn't care about Xmen..they just wan't to make a quick buck..
when you think that it could have been on of the greatest trilogy..
http://www.playbackmag.com/articles/magazine/20050704/service.html
ps: i prefer Stahl over Foster..
he is perfect for their tortured version of Angel..Foster has even less the looks than Stahl and i didn't like how camp he was in the punisher -
i've just read thant it will be north 100 millions
If it's true , then it will be official Fox doesn't care about Xmen..they just wan't to make a quick buck..
when you think that it could have been on of the greatest trilogy..
http://www.playbackmag.com/articles/magazine/20050704/service.html
ps: i prefer Stahl over Foster..
he is perfect for their tortured version of Angel..Foster has even less the looks than Stahl and i didn't like how camp he was in the punisher -
He just doesn't look the part for starters, but come on. If the biggest thing on your resume is looking like a psycho in a movie, Robin Givins would have this part sewn up! I would rather see Jodi Foster playing Archangel. You want someone who looks the part, I would have you audition the kid who played the oldest son on Home Improvement, get him some acting lessons and fix the hair. Boom! Instant Archangel. But hey, I wanted Harry Connick Jr. for Gambit and look where that got me.
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seriously. i'd give it a C, C+. or 2, 2.5 stars. though the cast was strictly B-List/C-List, i thought the FF team members actually turned much better than i expected. Dr Doom sucked, and the re-writing of his character sucked, it's true. but the rest of the cast i felt was much better than i expected. anyways, yeah it was rushed, yeah, it looks like it was made by committee, but it's nowhere near the unmitigated disaster many of you are saying it is. DAREDEVIL, CATWOMAN and BLADE 3 are the 3 worst superhero movies of the recent glut. the SPIDERMAN and XMEN films were the best. BATMAN BEGINS was really great, and it's definately the best BATMAN yet, but unfortunately, but after the first half, it's a huge letdown until Darth QuiGonKinsey shows up again in the last act. oh, and the chemical gas/sewer thingeee made no sense whatsoever. still, it was great. i'm forward to the inevitbale trilogy, ending, hopefully with a take on THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS -- which stand alone as the greatest BATMAN story ever. since Frank Miller seems to have embraced Hollywood again, maybe he and Rodriguez can team up to make it.
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was mediocre to say the least
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...And I was just thinking how easy it would be for the X-Men to cross genres. There's no need to do these movies in sequence, although continuity is almost always a good thing. Each movie could play out much differently than the first, and then a variety of filmmakers could have their go at the material. If you take a villain such as Apocalypse and strip off the thick layer of comic book cheese, you can make a rather twisted Gothic thriller, teetering on the edge of the horror genre. I'd love to see him breaking the bones and disfiguring the flesh of the folks whom he chose to serve him, including Angel. Or bring the Hellfire Club, for a nice little Illuminati-style adventure. Hell, I don't care, it would be interesting if someone could make the whole "aliens and outer space" theme not so painfully ridiculous. It might keep things fresh for the franchise. But, hey, what do I know? Beating the audiences over the head with formula might be the only way to keep the series profitable.
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I don't know why I felt it neccessary to clutter this talkback with useless meanderings. Again, I'm Sorry.
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...Easy on the 'Enter' key, Dogapeandman!
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Any time a decision is made to cast a great actor over some talentless pretty boy, it bodes well for the film. Every role Ben Foster has played, he has completely transformed himself. There is no similarity to the retard in Freaks and Geeks and the sociopathic killer in Hostage. He's one of the most gifted young actors working today, and it's very exciting that he was cast as Angel. I can't wait to see what he does with the role.ejcarter9
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John S.
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Everyone always seems to trash it. Why? Their are some parts that could be fixed but all in all I liked it. Then again I also hate John Travolta, for some unexplainable reason, so his torture and death brought me a certain amount of twisted joy on it's own.
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Just had to make sure I put that their before some English nerd tares my grammar apart and equates me to some form of premordial ooze.
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Maybe I am ooze
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good choice.
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It all comes down to Avi's (and other suits') arrogance. He has the audacity to get upset when we voice disapproval of retarded plot devices after a script is leaked online. He starts thinking "Fools, what they know? I rich bigshot and script look good to me." Well guess what? Maybe what appeals to millionaire movie moguls and what appeals to the general movie-going populace are two different things? But if you want to depend on only having millionaire movie moguls buying tickets to this movie, then go right on ahead. After all, it's only the stockholders' money.
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As for 'The Punisher,' it was bad, but it was nowhere near as bad as 'Blade: Trinity' and 'Elektra' were. Compared to that manure, 'The Punisher' smells like roses.
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No I'm seriously asking.. I heard that somewhere.. does anyone know if thats true?..
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You probably heard that when Harry said he would have preferred Jared Leto over in the Nick Stahl article. As far as I know he's not, nor was he ever, in the running.
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if leto was up for the role or not....i kind of want sark from alias for the role.
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I don't think anyone here is debating Fosters acting chops. Personally I like Foster, great in SFU and Freaks & Geeks (did what he could in Hostage). But he just doesn't look the part. You may think that insignificant but Angels look ties into his character. If he is indeed cast as Angel and pulls it off (the look - characted should be no problem cuz he is a good actor) I will be the first one to eat crow. I heard someone mention Ryan Gosling. I can get behind that suggestion because he can pull off the look and he's a good actor. Or how about just casting an unknown - theres a decent idea too. Now I am not usually a bandwagon Comic Book Guy and admittedly am not a hardcore fanboy but even the casual fan will admit the news coming out of X3 ain't cool at all (weak pun intended) I want this to be good but its not looking too good based on everything we're hearing so far. I am not trying to hate - just trying to be a voice of reason and keep it real, yo. That interview with Apologist Arad didn't help matters either. I don't give a shit about him calling us, the fans idiots, (hey we're the ones that line your pockets asshole) but it was his need to hype Ratner and such cinematic masterpieces like Family Man (forgettable), Rush Hours (decent for what they were - fluff) and Red Dragon (which I will admit when I saw it I was pleasantly surprised that it was Ratner but alas it was nothing special) Like the Zap2It article implies he fails to mention Money Talks and After the Sunset. (did anyone else catch that pic of Ratner on the Zap2It article - he just looks like the self promoting, cooler-than-thou asshole that everyone speaks of) Arad also points out the new Jessica Simpson video, ok I was never a Jessica fan but goddamn her washing the General Lee in a bikini turns me into a mindless self pleasuring zombie every time it comes on - so I'll thank him for that. Otherwise repeat the mantra - Fuck Fox, Fuck Rothman and Fuck Ratner (I was originally going to let him slide because he was "chosen" but his hands on approach - Arad says he is tweaking things and inolved in re-writes - licks nuts already) I guess I can be a glass half full guy and say "At least its not McG" (sidenote thank god McG didn't get his hands on Supes!) Was Vaughns abrupt depature a sign? End rant.
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Apparently this was missed from the Wall Street Journal, but Marvel Inc. won't be going to Fox or Sony any more for at least professional development of their properties. Arad decided they could milk their titles better by setting up their own studio! In other words, if you think things are bad now, they'll be getting a lot worse, especially if crap like FF can make a buck. The bean counters will suck the life out of Marveldom by making everything on the cheap with hack writers, cereal commercial directors, and D List TV actors for short term gain. Until one-by-one, every character exhausts its audience in mediocrity. Enjoy SM3/4?, it's about over.
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Which I can accept since I know nothing about the guy - the movie loos like shit. I know people say not to judge till after but still - all the signs point to a piece of shit. Jared Leto - I like the guy a lot, thought he was the only good thing about 'My So-Called Life' and I thought he did a surprisingly good Irish accent in 'Last of the High Kings'. I even dug the Exile on Main Street era Jagger he seemed to be channelling in 'Alexander' However my wife thinks he is unattractive and no good in anything. This disturbs me because I think he is both handsome and talanted. How can a straight man tell a straight woman she is wrong about her taste in men? And not turn her away from the choice she has made in real life (ME)And how come this sounds like one of those questions that ugly chick types on her Mac in Sex and the City? And why have I mentioned that show twice in the same talkback thread? Guys - I swear I don't like it. (Except John Corbett who was cool and too good for that ugly chick.)God, marriage has emasculated me
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Every time I post I make a spelling mistake. Which makes my constant harping on about Harry's crappy English a feeble joke
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See above post for self-derision
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indeed
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Jul 15, 2005 8:46:06 PM CDT
It doesn't matter if it sounds stupid and it doesn't mat
by fluffyunbound
FF taught us THAT lesson, if nothing else. Cobbled-together shitty comic book movies can still succeed. After the success of the first two, they could fire McKellen and get the Aflac duck to play Magneto and the script could be written by Andy Dick and this movie would still succeed. Forget complaining. It's hopeless.
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I'm not sure that he's Angel material, but I like him.
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Jul 15, 2005 9:06:00 PM CDT
F4 was entertaining to me, but Arad still shouldn't call the
by the founder
The angry father plot rehashed for x3? They ripped off Whedon's idea for the plot with this whole demutant serum. it could be sweet, but we've had 3 x films, and no flying or Sentinals??? What the phuck is up with that????
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Granted, we can never reach a consensus on anything and we bitch about a lot of downright ridiculous stuff, but I think part of the reason Arad gets so angry when people insult stuff like the playground fight scene in 'Daredevil' is because he was on the set and he realized how hard it was to make the scene look good in the first place (this is giving him the benefit of the doubt that he actually sort of believes what he's saying). Again, it's not the easiest thing in the world to make a good movie. And it's all well and good that he says "if you could only see where it had to come from to get to this point, you'd appreciate it more," but honestly, we're not supposed to peek behind the curtain. Movies should be judged based on the finished product, and if that product sucks, then I appreciate the hours that cast and crew put in, but at the end of the day, it still sucks. There's a grocery list's worth of reasons for why that playground fight scene was awful, yet Arad thinks the only debate that should be going on about it is whether or not it's "amazing" or simply "great." Unh. I understand that it's important to shut us out every once and a while, but we also have a perspective on the film that he doesn't, which is why it's frustrating and completely ridiculous that he won't listen at all. The only thing Marvel seems to have done as a reaction to our bitching is get a bunch of "entertaining" hacks rather than competent auteurs to handle their films. Yipee.
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I love how it goes from "I hope Storm flies" at the beginning of the day to "Storm is going to fly" at the end of the day. Just goes to show spoiled Hollywood celebrities think (or know) that they can impress their will on a movie's production. Although I wouldn't be averse to Storm flying (even though she sorta did in the first one anyway).
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I've been watching Ben Foster since I was a little boy and he was too on FLASH FORWARD. As I grew up, I was changed forever by his performance in BANG BANG YOU'RE DEAD. Now I've seen him rock it in Punisher...Hostage...and I hear he's playing a killer in ALPHA DOG. He's a GREAT ACTOR. There's a lot of things you can bitch about xmen3...but casting him is one GOOD THING. At least we know the portrayal of ANGEL will be by the BEST ACTORS my age there is. Someday this guy is gonna win an OSCAR, and how cool that we'll go back and watch him as ANGEL and remember how great he was in XMEN3!!!
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I don't know what the hell you people are talking about. Ben Foster is so FREAKIN' SEXXXY! I gotta tell ya, I scrapped this movie a while ago. But now that Foster is showing his hot winged self, I'll be first in line.
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Hey, I think if you take a look at this TalkBack top-to-bottom, you'll see that the general consensus is that Ben Foster is a good actor. I saw and liked him in 'Big Trouble,' 'The Punisher,' and 'Hostage.' However the only movie of those three that I liked without reservations was 'Big Trouble,' so even if he's a pretty good young actor, it's not like he's going to be the saving grace of 'X3.' For the record, I think that Ryan Gosling is a better twentysomething actor, but I can't really picture him as Angel either (now Gambit, maybe). Whether or not Foster is hot, isn't there someone out there in Hollywood who's got more of the towhead, pretty boy thing going on? I know that literal translations aren't necessary, so if Foster is cast I'll be okay with it -- even though I still think the movie sounds like a sinking ship -- but I'd rather they went for someone else first. Anyway, that's my two bits.
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First off as pathetic as the first 2 attempts at The Punisher have been, I consider Stallone's movie "Cobra" to be the closest thing TO a real Punisher film. They shoulda used him in this flick to revive his career. Even his age would've matched since Frank Castle was in Vietnam. If it was ULTRA violent. The gave him his original suit (just substitute the white gloves, boots and skull for dark grey) AND USED THE FRANK vs JIGSAW four issue miniseries story arc that revived the character in the 80's...then the shit would've rocked!!
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..the opening credits played to the Beverly Hills Cop theme. Of course that applies to any other movie too.
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Jul 16, 2005 8:29:39 AM CDT
Just watched "COBRA" again today King Conan, and nothing beats t
by krullboy
and a young, pre-"RED SONJA, pre-HIV positive Bridgitte Nielson is not too bad either
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as angel?
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"Hey, man, I got wings."
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ben foster is angel...spacker dave continues his rain through all marvel properties.
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