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Capone has seen HARRY POTTER AND THE GOBLET OF FIRE!!!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here on the eve of the new Harry Potter book getting released the good folks at Warner Bros decided to test screen the movie. We've gotten a few reports that go all over the map in terms of reaction to the film, but now we have our first regular, Capone, King of Chicago, weighing in with his opinion... Details below... Voldemort! Rita Seeker! Ron's adam's apple! It's all below! Did he like it? Well... give it a read and find out, ya' lazy bum!
Hey, all. Capone in Chicago here, a couple days out from a four-months-early
test screening of HARRY POTTER AND THE GOBLET OF FIRE. Let me say for the
record that I’m the last person who should be reviewing this wonderful film.
I’ve never read a Harry Potter book, and I’ve seen all of the other films
one time each. I liked or loved them all to varying degrees, make no
mistake. I particularly enjoyed THE PRISONER OF AZKABAN film for its darker
and more mature qualities. Things only get darker and more grown up with
GOBLET OF FIRE, and thank whatever supernatural beings you believe in for
that.
A tiny bit of preamble: The screening I went to was the first showing of
this film to any audience on the planet (they did two on Saturday; I was at
the first). For some reason, Warners loves doing these way-early screenings
of Harry Potter movies in Chicago. I was blissfully unaware when they pulled
this a year or so ago for AZKABAN; I would not be so easily given the slip
this time around. This version of GOBLET OF FIRE isn’t even close to done.
It runs about two-and-a-half hours (about the same length as the other
films, if memory serves), and huge chunks of special-effects sequences
aren’t done...not even close. Everything from the entire opening Quidditch
World Cup (which is all just pre-viz at this stage) to backgrounds. There
were some scene where you could actually see the overhead lights of the
sound stage. Needless to say, I won’t be discussing the CGI in this review,
but the glimpses we got were breathtaking. My biggest disappointment in
terms of effects is a sequence involving the birth of Lord Voldemort (Ralph
Fiennes). Fiennes certainly looked creepy enough but with various colored
dots on his face, clearly the filmmakers had something truly nasty in store
for his looks. There were maybe two quick shots where the effects on
Voldemort’s face looked done (his missing nose was my first clue), and these
moments made little children in the theatre scream. But I’m getting ahead of
myself, and there are some fundamentals to cover.
Guess what, kiddies? Harry Potter (Daniel Radcliffe) has arm hair. Ron
Weasley (Rupert Grint) has an pronounced adam’s apple (no matter how hard he
tries to hide it by wrapping that annoying scarf around his neck). And it
might be illegal in some states to say what’s going on with Hermione’s
anatomy, but let’s just say she’s filling out an evening gown a little nicer
than last year. Alright fine, I’ll just say it. Emma Watson turned into a
bona fide babe. What I wasn’t aware of going into GOBLET OF FIRE (aside from
the entire plot) was that this is the coming-of-age part of the equation.
The student make jokes and comments that makes it perfectly that they know
the difference between girls and boys. Director Mike Newell (FOUR WEDDING
AND A FUNERAL; DONNIE BRASCO) seems to emphasize the raging hormones that
seem to cloud many of the interactions between the wizards in training. In
addition, there’s bizarre sequence in a glorified jacuzzi with Harry and
Moaning Myrtle (Shirley Henderson) that may provide you with some additional
reasons why Myrtle is moaning. She is clearly attempting to check out his
goods under the water.
Even with virtually none of the effects finished, the big Quidditch match is
very exciting. I have a feeling the completed film will feature a much
longer version of the game. Also barely realized but still thrilling are the
TriWizard Tournament challenges, in particular the sequence that pits Harry
against an angry dragon. There was the occasional glimpse of the finished
dragon, and those moments gave me great hope for the finished product. The
second challenge, set in a dark lake, was difficult for me to figure out
exactly. There are all types of dangerous undersea creatures, but without
the final effects, it was just too difficult to figure out who was attacking
whom.
I’m guessing even with all effects rendered to their fullest, the real
strength and excitement about GOBLET OF FIRE are the characters,
particularly the new ones. Leading the pack is Brendan Gleeson’s Prof.
“Mad-Eye” Moody. Boy, does Gleeson nail this one. I have no idea if his
characterization of Mad-Eye is similar to that of the book, but for the
first time in watching any of the films, I’m tempted to read the books just
to find out more about Moody. He’s such a refreshingly wicked change from
the other straight-laced teachers at Hogwarts that you can’t help but like
him. Also on hand is Miranda Richardson’s snoopy reporter Rita Skeeter, a
character whose time in this story is apparently chopped down considerably
from the book. Richardson is still quite good as the most annoying person in
any earthly realm. Finally, we have Fiennes Voldemort, who I’m tempted not
to even talk about until I see how he’s really going to look. Even as a more
normal looking person, Voldemort still sports pointy teeth, grey skin, and a
nasty persona. This is the first time in any of these films I actually
feared for Harry’s life.
All of our old favorites are still around, and most of them get at least one
great scene to really shine. I feel a great deal of comfort when I catch
site of Alan Rickman casting glances as Prof. Snape. Maggie Smith still
shines as Prof. McGonagall. The only school regular that kind of gets
shafted in terms of screen time is Robbie Coltrane’s Hagrid; I wouldn’t have
minded more of him. The biggest surprise in GOBLET OF FIRE is Michael
Gambon’s Dumbledore, who really gets to spread his wings much more than in
any of the other films. He’s a key figure for Harry in uncovering the mystery
of a recurring nightmare he’s having, and I loved their scenes together.
Also on hand (sort of) is Sirius Black, played by Gary Oldman in the last
film. I say it like this because Sirius is seen in “disguise,” and I
couldn’t actually swear that it’s Oldman’s voice you hear as Sirius.
IMDB.com says it is, so I’ll take their word for it.
As sinister and gloomy as the main GOBLET OF FIRE tale is, what I found
myself drawn to were the trials and tribulations of the kids entering
adolescence. Harry and Ron finally realize that they may have lingering
feelings for Hermione. Harry has his first hint of a crush on someone
outside of their immediate group of friends. Hermione practically has an
affair with one of Harry’s competitors in the tournament. But director
Newell manages these personal dramas with maturity, without making them seem
like an episode of “Saved by the Bell.”
I think I’m going to end my thoughts there because so much of what I felt
while watching this movie was a variation of “That is so cool; can’t wait to
see it finished.” This is the best one, folks. There’s really no two ways
about it. The acting is so much better than the perfectly acting third film,
and the story and emotions add such a layer to this already explosive
series. I think I may hold off on reading any of the books until all of the
films are completed. I like going in pure like this. If a person who has no
connection to this universe likes these films, they’ve got to be doing
something right.
Capone
email:Muggles, Witches, Wizards and House Elves! I love 'em all! Email me and I'll tell ya' why!!!
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More Capone please.
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I quite enjoyed Azkaban as a Sunday matinee style adventure film so i'm hoping this carries that feeling over. And it's a given that things get more enjoyable as the kids grow up, because lead roles played by kids invariably suck.
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that they ought to combine Order of the Phoenix with Half Blood Prince for the next movie. OOTP is kind of boring. How many pages is HBP supposed to be?
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The creative team has a hard enough time adapting the shorter books ("Azkaban" nears 500 pages and there are complaints that the movie wasn't long enough). To condense over 1,500 pages into one film ("OoP's" 800-something and "HBP's" 600) would be disastrous. Not even in just obvious terms like pacing, but thematically, and practically speaking as well.
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I'm re-reading OOTP right now before HBP comes out and it's easily the least good of the ones out so far. Sure, these books are long, but there's a lot of dross that can be cut out for sake of the film.
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what else is new i guess?
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I'm officially excited now to see this movie! Thank you capone!
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would you please remove TeraBaapKaGaan's post theres no need for that garbage here.
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I had heard that they were going to do GoF as two movies at one point, too. I doubt they will combine. I COULD see them filming both back to back so that the kids don't age-out of their roles too quickly, though. I re-read OOP recently as well and it reads MUCH better the second time. I think it will make a nice movie, especially with almost all of the surviving guest star adults making apprearances (Moody, Lupin, Sirius, Skeeter, Malfoy's dad, etc.). Speaking of Lucius, was he in the GoF movie? He was my favorite scene chewing baddy in the second movie.
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I never understood the point of reviewing a movie that's not even close to done yet. It's like looking at the storyboards and then writing a review as if you've seen the movie. This review sucks.
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Are we gonna get more bitching about how specific moments from the book were rendered inorrectly and how harry's glasses aren't the right size and all that? WAKE UP, fanboys, no books are ever captured 100% faithfully. Deal with it. I've only read the first Potter and thought the first two movies were largely crap (Chris Columbus is a hack) but I liked the third, it felt like a real movie rather than a pastiche of special effects and key plotting from the books. But I'd much rather be reading books that are more adult and substantial, and while I hear that the books get more mature as they progress and the characters age, I can only hope that's true and the films reflect that. The last movie was a step in the right direction, I hope this one keeps it up. Meanwhile, for some light reading: ----------------------------- http://www.intrepidmedia.com/column.asp?id=2235
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I am a Potter Nut and have no problems if certain things are cut from the book or are changed from the book. However I expect the movies to actualy respect their own continuity. Newell has Moaning Myrtle appearing again hopefully she will actually look like the same Myrtle in the second movie. If Alfonso Cuaron was doing this movie he would no doubt have ignored continuity and reimagined Mytle as a Heavy Metal Goth Chick. Everyone would be saying "That isn't the same Mytle". Newell it seems has made Durmstrang all male and Beauxbatons all female, again I have no problem as this does not effect previous movie continuity.
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Ironic considering they're allegedly a metaphor for sex. If this is a movie where Moaning Myrtle is trying to check out Harry's package, then it seems to me like they would have fit right in.
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My gal got me the first four books for Xmas this past year (bought the fifth after finishing GoF) and I have since devoured them twice and I am starting my third go-around...but no way in hell will I be able to finish before Friday. I saw the movies before reading the tomes and like any other adaptation there are things that simply have to be cut in order to aviod a 10 1/2 hour miniseries. I have no problems at all with the motion picture treatments as they have developed so far. Anyone who has their bloomers in a bunch should just stick to their preferred medium, be it movies or books. I can take them both for what they are. The kids are growing nicely in their roles and as has been pointed out in an earlier talkback they haven't, for example, been busted buying dimebags in Central Park or wrapped and automobiles around any telephone poles. Props to the kids, their families, agents, etc. for keeping them grounded. Any suggestion of combining any novels into one movie is just preposterous so just quit it now. And I, for one, wouldn't mind sitting through a 3 or even 3 1/2 hour treatment...I sat through Waterworld for Pete's sake (loved Tom Petty's cameo in that one, BTW). And I agree that OoP is the weakest link in the series (of novels) thus far, but only because (DON'T LOOK SPOILER-BOY!) Delores Umbridge, after being such a royal P.I.T.A., is dismissed from the story with like a half-paragraph...in which she just runs away. I was ready to see her beheaded and impaled, then drawn & quartered. What a cop-out...but maybe she'll get it on down the like (OK, YOU CAN LOOK AGAIN, SISSY!). The rest of the book is a real page turner. Knowing the story in advance means...to hell with the spoilers...keep on bringing those damned updates!!! This movie will be the House-Elf's underwear (which will set you free!). Word to all the Colonels around the world!!! (and yes, Emma is develpoing nicely, god help us all)
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you disgust me.
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"Criminey, Harry! Me balls dropped! Now I can't even put on me knickers without gettin' a stiffy. Right! Hermione, it's time to claim me birthright! Hop on then! Mount up, mount up. I promise it'll only hurt a lil' before the tickle starts to warm ye inards! After this, we'll meet up with Hagrid at Ye Olde Furpile and get with the yiffing. We'll quaff a few pints, grab a hold a Fluer n' Cho Chang and get with the group shagging, wot? Oy, lassy! Not so fast, you'll chafe me wand to death. Methinks you need some lubing up! Right!"
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Jul 12, 2005 9:20:16 AM CDT
And speaking of "Saved by the Bell," I just watched that! On TV!
by ribbons
Dope is dope, or whatever.
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I am in full HP-mania mode right now. 4 more days!!!
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One of my favorite novel-to-screen adaptations remains "The World According to Garp" by John Irving, Garp of course being played by Robin Williams in his second starring role after playing "Popeye" but before he became a cariciture of himself. It was also the breakout movie for Glen Close as his mother and John Lithgow as Roberta Muldoon, the transexual former Philadephia Eagle (Close & Lithgow got Academy noms for this pic, too). So what other novel adatations do you guys think cut the mustard? Or, conversely, which ones really, REALLY bite?
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in some ways i think the film of FIGHT CLUB was stronger than the novel, and I get a huge kick out of Pahlaniuk's work. i think the film had more focus. the book reamins on top because it contains the immortal line, "i want to have your abortion." priceless!
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1-The Other Minister 2-Spinner's End 3-Will and Won't 4-Horace Slughorn 5-An Excess of Phlegm 6-Draco's Detour 7-The Slug Club 8-Snape Victorious 9-Half-Blood Prince 10-The House of Gaunt 11-Hermione's Helping Hand 12-Silver and Opals 13-The Secret Riddle 14-Felix Felicis 15-The Unbreakable Vow 16-A Very Frosty Christmas 17-A Sluggism Memory 18-Birthday Surprizes 19-Elf Tails 20-Lord Voldemort's Request 21-The Unknowable Room 22-After the Burial 23-Horcruxes 24-Sectumsempra 25-The Seer Overheard 26-The Cave 27-The Lightning-Struck Tower 28-Flight of the Prince 29-The Pheonix Lament 30-The White Tomb
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LA Confidential is a FANTASTIC representation of the book, and I say that with the full knowledge that almost 35% of the book is not in the movie. Continuity stuff from the LA Quartet is missing (the novel is the third in a series of 4, all revolving around the same precinct and many of the same characters); character detail is missing (particularly Trashcan Jack Vincennes' background); and the ending, where Bud White lives, seems a bit contrary to the dark tone of both the book and the movie (although I believe he lives in the book too). But Hanson gets the tone and the feel and LA right, even while he pulls back on Ellroy's brutality.
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That Ms. Rowling sure knows what she's doing . . .
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Point taken, but two things: it really is necessary, although exceedingly difficult, especially with such a beloved series as this, or even LOTR, to separate the mediums, but the films and books have to be accepted as DIFFERENT. No director can really appoximate another creator's vision, you can't get inside someone's head like that. It's much better for everyone if you try to sever any emotional ties and tackle it as best you can, retaining the major plot beats but adding your own sensibility to it. Really, why would you want a movie to create an EXACT template for how your imagination should look? Everyone imagines the Potter world in a different way, and sure, maybe once in a while a director comes along who shares your ideas EXACTLY, but that's unrealistic to expect. Let the two art forms live on their own! And be happy you get two versions. Second, I was specifically referring, and should have said so, to a post by Jetfire on yesterday's Goblet screening TB, where he wailed and railed about the discrepancies between the books and the movies, and came of like a spoiled fanboy brat.
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As much as I love the books -- and I really do -- the movie adaptations have by and large not been very good movies as movies. Narrative flow is my single greatest complaint in all of them. Azkaban has come closest to creating a true narrative, one not requiring knowledge of the source material to (subconsciously) fill in the gaps but even it falls short. The movies have splashed set pieces from the books onto the screen with just enough internal cohesion to not lose the layman but far too little to stand them up as movies in their own right.
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Damn, that's tight... Sounds like a Ramones song!
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Truth. Serum. I loved Goblet but that was a cop out. And those chapter titles get me effin pumped.
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THIS WAS THE BEST BOOK SO I HOPE THIS FILM ROCKS WATCH OUT ROTS
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But not know how to find a Talk Back about something you like.
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15 is the perfect age, don't you know anything?
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When the 5th movie is made and we meet Remus Lupin and Buckbeak again shouldn't they look like Cuaron's versions not the new director's? Apart Lupin looking more ill and aged like the book.
For this new movie I accept that the Dursleys have to be cut as do the House Elves. The director may interpret things differently from how I would do them. Barty jnr is introduced early on in the movie as opposed to the book. I can accept these changes.
However I and other people spent the whole of Azkaban going: "thats been changed" "thats different".
I accept the Clone Troopers in ROTS having different armour because three years have past between episodes ii and iii, during a war you will get new designs etc. With Azkaban there were too many changes which had no logic other than "I am a new director look at my changes". The small fact that only a few weeks separate each book and movie does not help.
Changes have to be logical and to have had a period of time passing to justify them. In COS in the flashback to Hogwarts 50 years ago we saw the students in different uniforms, that was a sensible change, however in a movie series set over 7 years is it really sensible for uniforms to change simply because you get a new director? Is it really sensible to have a new Fat Lady who looks and dresses nothing like the one two years ago, who has also moved location? A successful series respects its own history while introducing new things that add to them but don't contradict them.
The great thing about the HP novels is they reintroduce old friends and locations while adding new people. places, items and creatures each new year.
So if the HP movies have a new director for each movie from COS they have plenty of new things to show their own interpretation while respecting what the other guy did. Look at Hogwarts its massive and we only ever saw a tiny percentage of it but Cuaron redesigns what we already saw, why?
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Jul 12, 2005 10:08:29 AM CDT
GOF wasn't my favorite book of the series but I think the mo
by arithma
I'm a big fan of the books, but I couldn't stand the first two movies (too BORING and sappy) and I loved the third movie, even if plot points were cut out. That's fine, it's an adaptation, it's understandable. But it looks like Newell is snapping those brats into shape, so I'm excited to see this one. By the way, it is the original Moaning Myrtle reprising her role, and I'm glad that scene was not cut.
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sounds more exciting than king kong
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Yeah, why don't they just combine the last three novels into a super-fast paced 80 minute film, so they could show it twelve times a day. Sod off.
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..and the further I get into the talkback, I say to myself, "I don't know who these people think they are, but they're certainly not true Potter fans. 4-7 should ALL have been two 2 1/2 hour films. Twits.
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Why do people always have to have a a catchy label on it? That's why you have the republican slave-owners in control, because of catchy labels. "Alternative music". It ceased being "alternative" as soon as it was being played on every top 40 station. About 15 years ago. Or say if I have to hear the fucking term "comic-book movie" one more time, I think I'll totally lose it.
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POA is the best movie of the three, and GOF is the best book...an where am i?
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Tell yourself you're normal. It's o.k.
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Jul 12, 2005 11:41:38 AM CDT
And "I Want To Have Your Abortion" Was Such A Darkly Hilarious
by zombiesolutions
it was cut out of the film. it's on the deleted scenes though. of course, theres only one thing to blame -- the Radikal Khristian Right and their psychotic stormtroopers known as Republikans. not that any of them would see, read, or even vaguely understand FIGHT CLUB (too busy dusting their Hummel collections and vintage Nazi heirlooms), but, just in case, everyone else has to suffer for their ignorance, hatred and fear. i wonder if there's a culling spell that only kills Republikans? hmm...
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You right on about a the Hummels. My mother, God rest her a soul, she gave a me some Hummel figures right a before she croaked. What's a Dino supposed to do with a the Hummels?? I mean, come on... they Hummels! So now Dino, he's a stuck a with a the Hummels. I gotta display them, 'cos if I don't, then my mother, she gonna haunt me. But the other day, Clint Eastwood come over to the villa, anna I'm a like "hey Clint, check outta the new inna-ground pool with a the greco-roman fresco liner anna the marble diving board, anna he say "hey Dino, nice Hummels!" Putz! How am supposed to 'splain to Clint about a my dead mother anna the ghost anna stuff? Goddamn Hummels...
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Jul 12, 2005 12:50:54 PM CDT
I enjoy Harry Potter movies like I enjoy americanized sushi
by ourmaninmontr
By americanized sushi, I mean the ones involving cream cheese, sun-dried tomatoes or strawberries. I go to a Harry Potter film like I go for sushi: it's fast food but not FASTFOOD, so you can feel better than if you'd settled for that cheeseburger, it looks great, it tastes wonderful, it's well-made, and the ingredients, if they'll only fill you up for a short period, are much healthier and tasty than in most other equivalent fare. Eat up, mang, you know you want it.
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Jul 12, 2005 12:51:30 PM CDT
You're better off making a film that plays well with the non
by drjohnnyfever
Being faithful to the source material is one thing changing stuff that doesn't need to be changed just to suit your own personal vision is just kind of.. well... rude - but you have to remember first and foremost that you're making a movie. If you have to go in carrying knowledge from the books in order to enjoy the film, then the filmmakers have failed. I think that's what Capone was getting at.
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A director has succeeded in adapting a book if one does not need to have read the source material to enjoy the dang thing. Plus, the more a filmmaker edits a story or changes it to suit his vision, the more elements created out of thin air risk making the cut. When this happens to some extent, and the movie still kicks ass, then they most definitely ARE doing something right, though it may displease members of the 'Holy Order Of Keepers of the Original Vision'. There is a trilogy of films by Peter Jackson involving the Lord of the Rings books with which I have many, MANY issues, but goddamn it do I ever bend a repentant knee before its stunning cinematic effectiveness. It's called going with the flow, enjoying the moment, fuckin' taking it easy. You wanna pay homage to the author? Then remember: the books are the real treat, the movies are just a happy bonus.
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I wish I had a Cliffs notes of OOTP, so I could remember everything that happened before Half-blood Prince comes out. I just struggled my way through The historian , and am trying to finish The Traveler by Friday, so it's not that I'm too lazy to reread OOTP (although I kinda' am).
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Jul 12, 2005 1:51:44 PM CDT
You Could Always Give Your Hummels To Ned Flanders, DinoDeLauren
by zombiesolutions
all due respect to your dearly departed Mama, but clearly they are putting a cramp in thine style. i suggest giving them to Homer Simpson's neighbor Flanders as a gift to reflect the image of the "good ole days" that only exists in the minds (and overt propaganda) of Radikal Right Wing Khristian Republikans. you know, the "good ole days" like slavery, genocdide, the Great Depression, and other "good ole" stuff? btw, i don't care what anyone says, i wholeheartedly support your decision to hire David Lynch as the director for DUNE. what it lacks in a coherent narrative, it makes up for in sheer hallucinatory brilliance.
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Jul 12, 2005 2:49:01 PM CDT
To those who complain incessantly about continuity between movie
by sir not
give it a rest. The important things are there (the main characters, save Richard Harris) throughout the series. Everything else is minor. Is the story about Moaning Myrtle? Or the quiddich costumes? Or the layout of Hogwarts? No, it is about Harry, Ron, and Hermione.
Now in regards to the poster who stated that they could accept the changes in the Clontrooper armor in E3, because it was 3 years after AotC, let me clue you in on something -
Ahh, Giada, my a grand-a-daughter, she is a one of my finest accomplishments... right a behind gettin' a the Queen for a the Flash soundtrack. I'm a the goddamn genius! Russell Mulcahy, he canna kiss my ass! Shoot it! Print it! Inna the can! OLD SCHOOL BABY!
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Why don't they just combine the last three novels into a super-fast paced 80 minute film? I don't know, but that's your idea, not mine. Your "idea" would be to re-film GOF and add OOTP and HBP to make an 80 minute film is retarded, despite your sarcasm. I'll try to talk to you like you're a five year old so maybe you'll get it. I FEEL that OOTP is, while still enjoyable enough a read, is the weakest of the books that are out. I said, not even seriously, for I realize that it would never happen, that they could combine OOTP and HBP and make a single film out of them. Would this film be like 3 hours long? Maybe. Whatever. It doesn't really matter. Go back to your bedroom and stroke your obsession in peace. So sorry I trampled on your personal vision of what Harry Potter films should be and contain.
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Can't wait to see it for myself. Cant' wait to read book six this weekend for that matter. Good stuff.
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I said two lines later I thought 2 2 1/2 hour pictures was the way to go, but, you are an idiot, if a miraculous one at that.
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... is the thing JK Rowling had in the first place, and Steve Kloves wrote an initial 300+ page version of GoF and WB balked. "Stroke my obsession"? If you want to be taken seriously, you shouldn't display your adolescence so blatantly.
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Can we just fast-forward three years to when Emma Watson gets her tits out in a film in a bid to prove that she's a serious actress?
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the third movie is the best one made so far because the characters are growing up(emma watson is really hot). Whoever said that the fifth and sixth movies should be made as one is retarded, that is the dumbest idea ever because they would not be able to fit it into three hours or even into four. I hope the movies keep going in the same direction as the third because the acting was a lot better, the music was a lot better and the overall movie was a lot better than the first two.
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The third film was the best, i hope the fourth is better, or equal in quality. The third was a lot more artistic, and i think that cuaron's choice to not follow the book as much as Chris Colombus (who made 2 very BAD HP movies) was a good choice. If we want the book, then we read the book. A movie is a movie. Not a book. So stop being so paranoiac and pointing out every little detail that does not fit with the book. I'm a fan of the books, and after 2 films, i learned that the movies CAN NOT be like the books. So clean your mind before stepping in the cinema and enjoy it like it is or stay home.
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Where do you look for Book 6? You mentioned a torrent, but what site?
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which hit # would it be?
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I've found a ton of torrents. All of them were fake. I would be mighty impressed if what you has is actually real.
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And its all over the place.
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Sorry but harry potter is boring as fuck
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Come back, Johnny!!! Hogwarts neeeeeeds you! Please!!!!!!
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I'm not the one getting his panties in a twist about a CHILDREN'S BOOK. You don't consider yourself obsessed? You don't consider you opinions impassioned? What are you, kidding?
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...are actually getting upset about anything to do with a movie period. Get a life.
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How the Hell do I come off like a wailing Fanboy? I point out on major problem with PoA, which was the Marauders Origin being cut out. Something that would have added 10 minutes to a movie that is shorter than the other two base on a book that is even longest on so far to be made a movie. I did also bring up the Firebolt but that was not my main complaint. I refrained from pointing out all the other stuff like Robe did. I agree with him by the way.
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"Now in regards to the poster who stated that they could accept the changes in the Clontrooper armor in E3, because it was 3 years after AotC, let me clue you in on something
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is easily the best of the three so far and i'm hoping GOF can at least match it seeing how its the fave of the 5 books.
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Jul 13, 2005 1:28:04 AM CDT
I can't wait for Gambon/Dumbledore & Fiennes/Voldemort in Ot
by tall_boy
Yes, I realize I'm looking way too far ahead in the future, but the potential is just too neat for words. Too bad the rest of the book is a bit of a mish-mash. Yes, Goblet had the truth serum, but dangit, there's nothing driving the plot of Order. Its just so dangblasted rudderless. Great moments scattered throughout, but I think the flick is gonna be problematic to say the least. Getting out of my time machine and into the present day, can't wait for Goblet movie. Hell, I can't wait for HBP on freakin' Saturday!! Whoot!
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Your complain about the origin of the Map and its creators wasn't cut out, per say. TPTB claim that have moved it to a different movie, where they feel it will work better. Considering the influence she's had so far on these movies, I imagine the decision has Rowling's blessing. I would imagine OotP for that info. Any later would not made sense, considering what happens in the end of Book 5.
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1-The Other Minister
2-Spinner's End
3-Will and Won't
4-Horace Slughorn
5-An Excess of Phlegm
6-Draco's Detour
7-The Slug Club
8-Snape Victorious
9-Half-Blood Prince
10-The House of Gaunt
11-Hermione's Helping Hand
12-Silver and Opals
13-The Secret Riddle
14-Felix Felicis
15-The Unbreakable Vow
16-A Very Frosty Christmas
17-A Sluggism Memory
18-Birthday Surprizes
19-Elf Tails
20-Lord Voldemort's Request
21-The Unknowable Room
22-After the Burial
23-Horcruxes
24-Sectumsempra
25-The Seer Overheard
26-The Cave
27-The Lightning-Struck Tower
28-Flight of the Prince
29-The Pheonix Lament
30-The White Tomb
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Yup. I saw that handheld camera work at the beginning of the film and nearly plotzed. You know, people will have varying opinions and whatever. If you didn't like 'Prisoner of Azkaban' for whatever reason, that's your deal. Ditto to your hatred for Alfonso Cuaron. People have different priorities. I disagree with your opinions on Harry Potter and I don't get all up in your grill about it. But, quite frankly, I'm sick of all you pissed-off fanboys going on these vitriol-fueled harangues against people who happen to prefer HP3. I guess it keeps your world rightside-up, but it amounts to a lot of derogatory bullshit for the rest of us and, quite frankly, I don't know what fevered train of thought led you to believe that you "know" what makes 'Azkaban' fans tick, but you don't. I'm sorry the third film (or filmmaker) chafed your collar, but if you think that unloading all of your baggage and wrath onto us is going to teach Warner Bros. a lesson, you're wasting everybody's time. Spare me your baseless attacks against us so-called arthouse snobs; you're practically dripping derision when you use words like edgy, foreigner, "that sex movie," and "humping the bedpost," but they're criticisms of opinions and attitudes that don't even exist. You pulled most of your observations completely out of your wazoo and, if pressed to support them, you'll either accuse people of thinking them and not saying them or using more rhetorical misdirection like "look at how pretentious and 'boorish' you seem" (and for what?). Well, you may not have studied "that sex movie" in film school (nor did most people, I'd wager) or cared much for PoA, but you still come off as more of a pretentious jagoff than half the people on this TalkBack, so, so much for that.
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Why the question mark in your subject line? Don't you know if they're genuine? Ah, the shit with it... we'll all know in a few days. Oh, and "Horace Slughorn" sounds like an asshole.
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www.kfccinema.com
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Is it the same one that Harry had up here a week or so ago, or is it a new one? I'm just hoping it's half as draw dropping as "The Blade"...fuck I hope most movies are half that good. C'mon Tsui, you got at least one more classic left in ya!!!
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WB is a business, Alfonso Cuaron made lots of stupid changes that cost them extra money and it ended up making less money than the other two. Do the maths and stop living in Arthouse Land. WB will be concerned that he alienated fans and lost them money not that critics liked him better. AICN really loved Sky Captain, but the film makers would have rather it made more money and AICN hated it.
In the case with the Clonetroopers their armour was prototype armour designed by creatures who were not human, so modifications would be sensible.
Again some dingbats seem to be under the impression I am against any change. Some change is one thing, but changing every bloody thing is another thing. Year three comes round and The Leaky Cauldron owner just then decides to change the sign and himself into a member of the Adams Family? Hogwarts just decides to change Hagrids Hut, the Fat Lady, Whomping Willow etc. It just then also decides to change its uniform and Quidditch Uniform, school dress rules such as looking neat and tidy are also dropped. There were to many changes allowed. Also if your so happy about Cuaron's work then don't complain if a new director pisses on his work. Cuaron was allowed to ignore continuity so a future director can redesign the dementors, buckbeak, Hogwarts, uniforms. As the producer seems to have no control. HP could have been an epic 7 part movie series that over shadowed LOTR, now it is a patchwork likethe original Batman movie series. -
The films have served the books well. The creative talents on the last three all have been true the spirit of Rowling
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I'm a huge HP fan so therefore I enjoyed your review a lot, so thanks.
I can't wait to see the movie myself.
I was actually wondering about the bathtub scene with Moaning Myrtle and I expected it to not be in the movie actually. Glad to hear it's in there ... I imagine it to be kinda awkward ;-).
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Who hit the nail on the head as usual.
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Voldemort: "this will be a day long remembered, it has seen the death of Dumbledore, and it will soon see the end of the Order of the Phoenix." (imagine how cool The Phantom Menace would have been if JKRowling wrote it? imagine...)
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Is it the overuse of the iris in/iris out thing that have people so impressed with his style? C. C. did a way better job. and for the record, it's always the die-hard fans that inflate box-office gross after opening weekend, and word-of-mouth to a certain degree. Hardcore Potter fans dissatisfaction with Cuaron's "vision" of an abbreviated and deviated Azkaban was the reason it never crossed $200 million in the states. BUt, you people keep telling yourself the shorter, disordered path is the way to go, and watch while none of the remaining sequels ever touch Chamber of Secrets U.S. gross.
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...wasn't even in the same spot on the grounds as the first two, which wouldn't have bothered me so much if Cuaron didn't cram the final 3rd of the book into the last 20 minutes of the film. PoA the movie sucked, which sucks because it was the best novel of the first three. But I love how people who are too damn lazy to read them keep pointing out how much better the films are.
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Okay. And you keep telling yourself that people who like number three embrace Cuaron unconditionally. That's two "replies" to my last post that had more to do with another shouting match about who's a better director and why, and why these fans suck for thinking this. Like I said before, I don't give a shit why you choose to like or dislike Prisoner of Azkaban as long as you don't bother me about it.
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I'm someone who has read all the books (Thanks to my GF.) and I can't wait for this to come out. I started reading them right before the 2nd movie. For so called "kids" books there are some of the best books I've read in years. I'd also like to add I'm not one to say how "The book was better then the movie". You can't compare movies and books really. Too me it's like comparing audio and video. Anyways... I think all of the movies did the fans justice, I hope this one does too.
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...although as far as replies go, that last one could have been worse. Thank you for at least not resorting to the "art house" catcalls.
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If it's pathetic, what are you doing here? As for Miracle-douche, since I owe JK a debt for enlightenment and inspiration, but obviously you wouldn't understand that. And yeah, I'll get worked up about it while I drink my morning coffee, and then go to work inspired by the fact that there's still a lot of work to be done with ignorant bastards who don't see the value in anything intangible in life. And you probably sit around eating frozen burritos wondering if today's the day you finally keel over from all the lard in your cardiac orifice.
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And, for the record, I LIKED the other two Harry Potter installments, particularly 'Chamber of Secrets.' It's not like I'm trying to belittle them, which is something I never implied and shouldn't really have to explain, but whatever.
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JK has very little say in final edit or script approval. That's why WB payed her so damn much upfront.
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I apologize for that. So, what was I gonna say? Oh yeah: what the fudge is "TPTB?"
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If you people knew the first thing about creativity, you'd all be writing or filming your own stuff. Give me a break.
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Care to elaborate on that last post maybe a little?
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... it's that Columbus did such a good job that PoA is such a dissapointment. I stand behind everything I've said here yesterday and today. If you don't like what I have to say, fine, but you can't refute any of it point by point, either. It seems like we saw more eye-to-eye on the X-# thing , Ribbons. Is it because you're a fan of the X-Men comics, have read them, the characters, from the minute to the grandiose details of their character are important to you? ROBE's comment about how the on-screen Potter series is on the verge of becoming a visionary mish-mash is THE most valid point on this whole talkback. (and once again I'm wasting daylight talking to you people)
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Did anyone a say iffa the Newell guy used a the school sets from a the Columbo movie, or from a the Cuaron amovi? Iffa they said it, Dino, he a missed it. I'm just a curious...
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What I was saying, Ribbons, is that there actually some people who understand character development, plot though-line, and not just needing to be wowed by seeing set-piece after set-piece tied together by abbreviated dialogue. Point being, while I can have an issue-oriented discussion with those like you, there is also those like Mr. Miracle that don't really have any clue to the world other than "that's cool" or "that sucks" (adolescence), and such postings yield different responses than the intelligent, well-though-out ones. It's the difference between being heard and being taken seriously. Avi Arad definitely knows what people like you and I had to say about the X-3 script, he said so himself, but were we taken seriously in that tb or were we just all thought of as 15-35 year-old adolescents?
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Last I heard, Prisoner of Azkaban had made around 800 million dollars. If that's a failure, well, just about everything that has ever come out has been a bomb.
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TPTB stands for the powers that be.
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Not domestically. We're talking U.S. theatrical run revenue. Not dvd sales et al. Wake up. Do your homework.
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Actually, PoA did 250 million here in the States. Not as good as the first two, but not really shabby either.
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yall are all confusing just... whatever
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scratch that I understand
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Someone wished for them earlier: http://tinyurl.com/assz8
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I stand corected on one thing: Chamber of Secrets did NOT do astronomically more than PoA, neither did it cross 300 million. PoA is STILL weakest HP domestic showing, which is probably why it keeps showing up in limited re-release, to inflate the #.
Philo/Sorc. Stone: $317
CoS: $261
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That's all I have to say. Read the Freaking BOOKS!
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I was talking worldwide, forgive me.
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Sorry. The music is going to make or break this movie. It's not John Williams this time around. Far as I know, he's not even providing the substitute composer with some themes to play around with. No, this time, the movie is being directed by Bob and the music is being composed by Bob's buddy, Fred. At BEST, the music is probably going to simply "be there", much like most of the music in the LotR movies was just background noise. This will be disappointing.. bitterly so, because the fourth book remains my favorite. And I don't really buy the overall positive take on this movie. Isn't Capone (the reviewer) the one who decided he didn't like Peter Pan because he reckoned it was child porn? Nice agenda.
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Well, concern for continuity is certainly a legitimate one. I don't really know how to communicate the fact that unnecessary changes do bother me. These posts are hard for me because I feel like I have to play both sides. I'm sort of ambivalent because I feel like some alterations were to the movie's benefit but at the same time upset the continuity of the series and sort of allows for the possibility of more bizarre alterations. I'm afraid of getting flak from either detractors or admirers of Cuaron's work if I take a definitive side (which, humorously enough, happened concurrently sometime earlier this year). I usually take the sort of weak "individually, it was a good movie" route and try to stay out of the politics of changes and continuity and such. The fact is, it's complicated. I'm glad you brought up X-Men, actually, because there were a lot of aesthetic changes between the first and second film. Does that mean Bryan Singer was pissing on his own work? Or is it ok for directors to tinker with the continuity of their own stuff yet other directors have to leave it alone? What if the changes are to the movie's benefit (just, hypothetically here)? Are they okay or are they just as bad as any other change? Not to mention that a lot of factors are working against the whole HP universe in regards to continuity. Calling it a "patchwork" is one way of looking at it, but it probably would have ended up that way even without Alfonso Cuaron's help. But you have a right to your opinion. It's actually a pretty important question. The thing is, I'd be more inclined to listen if those "valid points" weren't accompanied by the same type of name-calling that you just railed against. Tearing each and every fan of the third film a new asshole isn't going to convince Warner Bros. to start cracking down on whichever director they hire. If the issue is really a valid one, it's one that can be raised and allowed to stand on its own merits. I have a feeling that, if anybody of import is reading these at all (which is unlikely) that sort of approach would work better, especially considering the "characterizations" of those who liked HP3 are totally fucking bogus, which I know because I'm on the business end of this nonsense. And honestly, I've seen it going on for like a year now, and considering my only two real outbursts came yesterday and the day before, I think I've been pretty lax about the whole thing.
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... she a gonna be by Queen anna Michael Kamen! Newell, he knows a the genius when he a sees it, anna he gonna copy the Dino! The kids a makin' out atta the Yule Ball, they gonna sing: "SNAPE! A-aaaahhhh! He'll zap every one of us!" Hehe... Dino, he make a with a the funny!
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Obviously what happened is people were all hyped and pumpedup for SS/PS. $317M. People are thinking, "Erm, that was pretty shite..." CoS comes out. Lots of hype, but some people remember SS/PS and decide not to go. $261M. Now people are really pissed off. Thus, PoA comes out, and it's mostly just fans of the books who go to see it, despite the fact that it's actually an improvement. $249M.
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how much hair? i looove pit hair
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You're hilarious. Keep up the good work. The rest of these posts are boring.
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Jul 13, 2005 6:11:06 PM CDT
"Are we gonna get more bitching about how specific moments from
by minderbinder
And who will also insist that people who like things they don't like are "arthouse snobs".
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As well as claiming that any movie that makes a puny $789 million is a failure and tragic disappointment.
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whats your problem person who wants to talk about pitt hair??????
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yep $789 mil is most definately failure...just horrible horrible failure...makes me wonder if POA even made back its budget...oh how little money did it make...oh and critically all those positive reviews....heavens forbid ppl thought it was better than the first 2 "movies". jeez.
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Jul 13, 2005 10:35:05 PM CDT
POA isn't the least faithful. It does have the most cuts fr
by minderbinder
But it is the MOST consistent with the books with what is there (what exactly is so different than the books in the third movie?). Dumbledore is much closer to the books. The setting of hagrid's hut and the whomping willow is closer. And the darker tone is a perfect match to the book, with dementors and a werewolf, the books only get darker still with 4 and 5. Seriously, what continuity is so horribly wrecked? Sets and costumes, and a couple characters so minor that most audience members won't even notice the difference?
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Cuaron did not make the PoA by himself, and did not write it! Columbus was still there as producer, remote controling this new director not familiar with blockbuster film making, and the screenwrite who ACTUALLY made the story worked with JK Rowling.
On these bigger movies, the Director is really just that, directing, not really the creator of the entier movie, especially when they are so innexperienced and the franchise is so important to the studio
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stop piling on cauron...the fact is i like where hagrid's hut was in POA and the whomping willow...its retarded where they had it right in front of the school for the first 2...seriously...how would ppl not notice sirius, ron, snape and werewolf for heavens sake in front of the school...whatever...
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Jul 13, 2005 11:51:06 PM CDT
"those who are fans of the Cuaron film for the most part are peo
by ribbons
One of the more notable exceptions being J.K. Rowling, who only fucking wrote them. But I'm sure she was lying about her affinity for the movie, since that would fit right in with the rest of your unsubstantiated gonzo theories.
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she had to be lying...there's no way she can like POA or Cuaron, I'm sure it was a fabrication...perhaps it wasn't even real...maybe ILM came in and created a life like cg JKR to lie about being a big fan of the movie...ahhhhhhhhhh.....
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The first two HP films, while very loyal to the books, were too much of a literal translation. Personally, I had more fun reading and visualizing them for myself, than watching Columbus' version. Oh, and major props to Cuaron for the sudden enrollment of all the ethnic kids at Hogwarts. If things weren't so gloomy, I imagine they'd have lined up and sung, "I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing" a la Coke commercials.
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lay of emma watson some of uze seriously have dirty grotty minds or some pathetic brain damage
emma watson is a great actress and has a lot of potiental
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I don't understand why so many people expect different directors, from totally different backgrounds in filmmaking, would, or, (even more disturbingly), should, envision a fictional work in the exact same fashion. Cuaron envisioned this world differently than Columbus, and it's childish to expect anyone to merely mimick another person's work with none of his own ideas peeking through. Does anyone REALLY care that the Quidditch costumes were different? How exactly does this change mar the film? And for that matter, how is the theme of abandoning adolescence for adulthood and finding your own sense of strength, destroyed by the new location of the Whomping Willow, the increased distance between Hagrid's Hut and the school, or the new, and better, Fat Lady guarding the entrance to Gryffindor Tower? Personally, I prefer Cuaron's vision. Columbus' work relied far too heavily on overly-telegraphed dialogue as the thread holding together his patchwork quilt of set-pieces from the book, and over-use of swelling musical cues paired with multiple close-ups, to heighten emotion. The storytelling was slack and quite boring, and that spark that makes the books click, was not present. The photography consisted mostly of close-ups and medium shots, with little variation in lighting, wasting most of the width of the CinemaScope frame so that the breadth of this fictional world is rarely felt strongly. Rowling has said she liked all of them, with Cuaron's film being her favorite of the 3. In terms of pacing, imagery, special effects, editing, music, the overall mise-en-scene, Cuaron's film is head and shoulders above Columbus' work. The backgrounds teeming with action, the dark richness of the color scheme, the use of music, the beautiful lap-dissolves, the old-fashioned irises (which Columbus didn't use in his films despite the claim made by someone else on this board), the lusher, more baroque stylings of the grounds and castle, and the better use of widescreen space to capture it, all ar eput in service of the story, to better augment it's strengths. True there are things missing, but that happens with every book-to-film adaptation. It's simply impossible to keep everything from a nearly 500 page book in a movie without it being several hours long. But if they're going to edit, I prefer the abridgement Cuaron directed over the ones Columbus directed. Besides, you can always read the books, maybe use your own imagination to fill in the rest. A good artist's work will allow you to do that. A bad artist's work will do all the work for you.
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Jul 14, 2005 6:28:40 AM CDT
"...those who are fans of the Cuaron film for the most part are
by tonywilson
Um....bullshit. I've read the books numeous times and seen the films numerous times. PoA is the best of the 3 and I'll give the reasons why. The kid's acting is actually passable and in Emma(she's 14 you sicko's )Watson's case is pretty good. The book itself is the strongest of the lot and the film does a good job of translating the emotional weight in PoA. Cuaron is a better visual director then Colombus. Gambon is better in every way then Richard Harris. So while the continuity from film to film suffers, the emotional story is much more satisfying. Man I hate you neo-philistines, who don't like anything that might be a bit arty.
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It is really disgusting that people look at how she is 'developing', the real actress is only 15. How shameless can you be?
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I'm not the one who started the qualitive "mine is better then yours" nonsense in regard to individual perspectives! If you really liked it, go to it. I have nothing against Cuaron, he's done good stuff and has an incredible eye. As well as his understanding of the emotional complexities of adolescence and coming-of-age are what made him a perfect choice. The first two books were shorter, and Chris Columbus did them near spot-on. I was personally hoping for a 3 1/2 hour PoA, and then splitting the remaining films into 2 two-and-a-half hour films, May/November, each. I didn't get that. Hopefully we do not indeed have "Bob" directing with his "buddy Fred" doing the score. I apologize to Mr. Cuaron for honestly being dissapointed when I came out of Azkaban-the movie, which is why I've only seen it once. If they go even furhter out into left with Goblet, or pass with broad strokes over too many more themes/threads, then I'll probably stay away after that. I Love what JK has done. It is epic. Do you realize how many kids have learned to read just because her stories are so univeral and righteous? My first exposure to HP was through this really cool young woman I knew. All her friends thought HP was kid stuff, and I found my in through asking her to go see Chamber with me. (Been together ever since.) Then I read Azkaban. And I'll be absolutely honest with you, it was my old friends John Williams and ILM that got me in the door. The they introduced my noodle to this 30-something British student of language and literature who'd constructed a morality tale she'd wished to pass on as an example of how to live. The shit is near and dear to me, and as Azkaban will always be the one that proved this all was so much more than a kids story, my only problem with the film was that I wish so much Cuaron had shot it all, so at least we could see it someday. He did a deep, soulful, amazing job (Thewlis and Radcliffe talking about James and Lily?), but every fan of the books also saw what could have been so much more.
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See, I mean I don't know if you were being sarcastic or not, but I don't get why you're apologizing for not liking Azkaban. If that's what you think I was ranting about, I suggest you go back and re-read.
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Ummm, I haven't read PoA in a while, but didn't he do the exact same thing at the beginning of the book as he did at the beginning of the film? ("So what, the masturbation metaphor wasn't as overt.")
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Who says POA was a flop? Not me, however COS the least successful Columbus movie made $87 million more than POA while costing $30 million less. So financially for Warner Bros Chris was a better deal than Alfonso. Experts were expecting POA to beat COS at least, as it had a bigger opening and was released in the summer, but oh dear it suffered a bigger drop off than the other two movies, a sure sign of audience disapproval. As Excaliburffolkes once said, JKR says she loves every HP movie when it comes out, this doesn't stop Columbus haters saying his movies were crap, does it? We POA critics are expected to suspend disbelief at the changes. Trying to accept POA as a legitimate sequel to the other HP movies is like accepting a giraffe in dark glasses at a polar bear only club, you have to be blind. Cuaron supporters complain about the arthouse label but belittle adult critics of Azkaban by saying Chris' movies were only fit for children. WB must be grateful that Cuaron quit or they would have another Joel Schumacher on their hands, he also was initially praised when he took over the Batman movies from Tim Burton before his second movie bombed.
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...first of all, my point by citing that J.K. Rowling claims to like 'Prisoner of Azkaban' the best was not an attempt at chest-thumping on my part but to prove that there can exist people who have an intimate knowledge of the books and still enjoy the movie. Now you can attribute that sound byte of hers to whatever you want, but that's what I used it for at the time and I don't really understand what she would have to gain to speaking out against unnecessary changes to the book, especially because "true fans" apparently hate the movie. And ROBE: fucking stop it. Seriously. You're getting supremely annoying. Do I need to run these things off in a list so that you can't feign ignorance anymore? 1) I don't "support" the changes that Cuaron made, although I think some worked and some didn't, and I understand the issue is more complicated then whether or not the changes suited the individual film better. On a sidenote, how fucking hypocritical of you is it to despise Cuaron for changes made to the previous two films and then hope that someone else "pisses all over" the stuff he did? 2) Yes, I do bristle at the "art house" label. First of all, it's a joke that people should be ashamed to like art house movies, but second of all, where did I ever fucking write that Columbus' movies were only fit for children? I thoroughly enjoy 'Chamber of Secrets.' 3) If you weren't referring specifically to me, the point remains (in fact that ought to prove it) that your "knowledge" of PoA fans is stereotypical at best. You're also trying to imply that Cuaron would have turned 'Goblet of Fire' into another 'Batman & Robin' because he made changes to the film and so did Schumacher. I guess we'll never know, but somehow I doubt that. As for Harry using a torch, my bad. I thought that he had used his wand, but I guess not. That is pretty inconsistent.
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I think you reaaly should read the books. I can
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Jul 14, 2005 8:50:23 PM CDT
To the Uptight Kings of the Moral Hill who keep bitching about t
by zidewinder
Piss off, we realise she's fifteen you dipshits, but it doesn't change the fact that she's hot as hell. Don't you idiots realise that half the people saying these things are probably around 15-16? Explain to me what the fuck is wrong with one fifteen year old being attracted to another? Even if the people talking about her are older, it's only natural to be attracted to young females, just turn on the fucking Discovery channel... My advice to you is that you extract the gnarly stick from your rectum and replace it with a Dulcolax, an go relieve some of the tension that's making you such pricks. I can't fucking stand people like you.
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Thus, you had his
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there mort...i can watch POA without getting bored or looking at my watch, i can't say the same for the other two...not saying i hate them or anything, just they can be dull and lull through parts. anyway gilliam should be directing one of these.
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there mort...i can watch POA without getting bored or looking at my watch, i can't say the same for the other two...not saying i hate them or anything, just they can be dull and lull through parts. anyway gilliam should be directing one of these.
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Jul 15, 2005 11:50:25 AM CDT
Richard Harris was a fantastic actor...in other movies. But he
by minderbinder
Gambon is much better, absolutely much closer to the books. Harris had ZERO energy and no sense of humor, just look at his delivery of the "alas...earwax" line. Almost sounds like he doesn't understand what he's saying. I wish Gambon could have had the part from the beginning, and look forward to his work in the remaining movies. I STILL don't understand blaming Cuaron for things like Harry doing the lumos spell at the dursley's house. Things like that are in the SCRIPT and are put in by the WRITER. Kloves did a shitty job with 3, just as he did a shitty job (with other similar stupid changes) in 1 and 2. Do people really have such little understanding of what a director's job IS? Or is it a matter of just looking for a scapegoat who didn't work on the first two?
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Jul 15, 2005 11:53:05 AM CDT
I'll ask it again, what is really different from the first t
by minderbinder
Because I don't understand how either of those two can ruin a movie.
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...is that the idiotic fanboys hear a Hispanic name as the director and go on full artsy-fartsy alert. Ayeeeeee, ring ding ding ding, REEEEHHHHH, breeet breeet, noooooooooooo...... NOT DECENT CAMERAWORK, ANYTHING BUT THAT! Oh no! Hagrid's hut is a stone's throw from where it was before!! And it's not on an artificially flat, manicured looking lawn anymore! THE ENTIRE PLOT CONTINUITY IS RUINED, RUINED I SAY! If the first two movies sucked, THE THIRD ONE MUST SUCK AS WELL!! Otherwise there's no "continuity"!!
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i love his dumblemore more than harris, no disrespect to harris but he dumbledore like a vitality and seemed just tired all the time. anyway i rather have 7 cauron directed ones than columbus ones, though i'd love brett ratner to direct...er.....where was i?
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The books are the best but the movies are really good too
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Of the 3 movies, POA is the one I can watch over and over again. I agree with Mort completely. I felt that there was something missing in the first two films. They were okay, but as movies, it really lacked a lot of imagination. I hope Newell's version progresses even further than Cuaron's which was a step in the right direction. Of course it helps that Newell gets the book which is the easiest to adapt in the series.
BTW, many of you fail to realize that that the classroom sets were all the same as well as the great hall, the dorms. And if you look closely during the hedwig's flight scene, you can see the square court yard that was in the first 2 movies. The only real changes that mattered was the location of Hagrid's hut and Whomping Willow and the terrain of the school grounds....which if it remained the same would've made it really difficult to block the final sequences.
The rigety bridge was a really nice addition and among my favourites of the new set pieces. I hope Newell keeps that piece. But if he doesn't, then oh well. I'm not going to cry about it. But from the Teaser Trailer, the movie is looking really good. so I'm looking forward to that.
BTW, many of you who attack Cuaron for his "artsy sex movie" which has a name, "Y Tu Mama Tambien," failed to realize that he also directed one of the best Children's movie ever, "The Little Princess" which also happens to be an adaption from a book. -
Minderbinder, you never read the books, did you? Then you have no clue what you're talking about. Really, you don't.
Altough I do enjoy the movies, I sometimes wish they were never made, as they are not a fair representation of the books.
A screenwriter who is a Harry/Hermione shipper, Michael Gambon's appaling crazy-drunk-bum impression of Dumbledore (such a pitty Richard Harris died), the anoying cheesy moments, Rupert Grint's acting (the only good thing about that is that he covers for Daniel Radclif ( Though he's getting better, thankfully); you're so bussy noting h -
harris dumbledore had no energy at all.
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Please tell me you're joking. I hope they haven't tried to turn this into some stupid love triangle. After Book Six everyone now knows that Ron and Hermione fall for each other, Harry falls in love with Ginny Weasley, and Harry and Hermione never, at any point in the series, express any romantic interest in each other at all, and Rowling says they never will. Not content with demolishing Ron and Hermione's characters in the first three films, Kloves now sees fit to mess up all the character relationships, create a new subplot that won't go anywhere, and complicate further the already complicated relationships in the series. God, I'm glad he's not doing the fifth film. I hope he stays away for good.
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After reading Capone's review I read the first ten or so comments and then scanned the rest of them. Are there NO Harry Potter fans on this site? OotP isn't dull and wordy you idiot, JK has explicitly said she HAD to put in tons of clues so that people who actually READ the books and look for hints about the future would have them. What a ridiculous suggestion to combine OotP and HBP! That would be suicidal for whoever did it or suggested it. The true Harry Potter community would kill them. Have any of you people even read the books? If you're not prepared to read long books you're reading the wrong thing. Why don't you try A Series of Unfortunate Events. A very nice series but much shorter and obviously more on you people's level. I enjoyed Capone's review because I found out how the fourth movie was going to be but have to contradict his judgement that the 3rd was the best. Granted it was darker and more intense but if you never read the book you're missing HUGE storylines. Alfonso made the story too much his own and changed the whole feeling. Not that I didn't like it, but it wasn't the best. Who the hell said blast-ended skrewts were a symbol of sex?!!! You people are all morons who have obviously never read the books. You have no right to critique a movie you know nothing about or complain about stuff you know nothing about. If there are ANY true Harry Potter fans who posted here and I missed your comment I apologize but "if you're all as big a bunch of dunderheads" as I think you are a) you have no idea who said that and b) you might want to try reading the books more than once and actually paying attention. If you are interested in seeing what TRUE Harry Potter fandom is like I suggest you check out sites like mugglenet.com, jkrowling.com, (who, for those idiots who don't know, is the author), and hpana.com. You probably think I'm rude but if you had any idea what you were talking about you'd see I'm actually quite nice. If you are a true harry potter fan and would like to discuss harry potter theories with me you can talk to me on AIM. My screenname is hprebel311 and yes, the hp stands for harry potter. To the rest of you, I hope Emerson puts you on his wall of shame.
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