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GOBLET OF FIRE Tests In Chicago And You Guys Were There!!

Hi, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab...

For each of the four HARRY POTTER films, Warner Bros. has tested them at the same Chicago-area theater first. Must be a lucky theater for them, because it sounds like fans were very, very happy with what they saw.

Keep in mind, this film’s still fairly unfinished, and there’s a lot of FX work still to be done. Also, purists are probably going to grow more agitated with these films as time passes, rather than less. Still, let’s see how Mike Newell has expanded upon the wonderful job that Alfonso Cuaron did with the last movie.

Hey Harry,

Greetings from the windy city! I am a big fan of the site and I don't usually feel the need to send in stuff, but something happened tonight that had me calling every friend I had to tell them what I just saw.

Last week, while standing in line for movie tickets, me and my friend were handed a flier to watch a 'family movie' that was test screening the following weekend. When I asked the guy what the movie was, he said, 'It's a secret.' Of course, I rolled my eyes. I figured we should go - it's free. Worst case, we would have to sit through that cheesy Dakota Fanning movie about horses.

Right away, I could tell this wasn't the run of the mill screening, because every bag was searched and even camera cell phones were confiscated ... and this was even AFTER being metal detectored. The stranger thing was when looking around, there wasn't a kid in the theater! I thought it was weird,especially since this was described as 'family'. Business type people were walking around prior to the movie talking quietly with several of the audience members asking side questions and even asking them to stay afterwards to have questions asked in the presence of some of the people who worked on the film.

A man up front, picked up a microphone and thanked us for coming. The next words out of his mouth were, 'You will be one of the first audiences in the world to see HARRY POTTER AND THE GOBLET OF FIRE.' Dude, the audience ERUPTED in cheers. And here I thought I was going to see a Tigger movie....

Now about the movie: First of all guys, this movie is freakin' EXCELLENT! We were told prior to the movie that a lot of the effects weren't finished and some portions may be too dark. But, from what I could tell, it was pretty much the full movie.

The story centers around Harry and his involvement in the Tri-Wizard Tournament. I'm not going to give plot points or spoilers, because you can pick up the book for that (Reading? What's that?).

First off, the best action scenes deal with his tasks during the tournament. The entrances of the two competing schools are clever and done very well. There's an awesome scene where Harry has to deal with a dragon that had me on the edge of my seat. I won't spoil it, but just think of a Jurassic Park version of Quidditch. There's also a great scene underwater with some seriously bad-ass mermaids (I know - go figure). The usual characters make an appearance (Dumbledore, McGonagall, Snape), but this time around they don't get a lot of screen time unfortunately.

HANDS DOWN the best character in this movie is Brendan Gleeson as Mad-Eye Moody. His portrayal of the Dark Arts teacher is SPOT on and you cannot believe how good this guy is in this role. The scenes in the class room with him teaching the kids about curses is fucking great. He also has a scene with Malfoy that is hilarious. He is definitely the best Harry Potter character in the series! Also, Ralph Fiennes as Voldemort. When he first appeared on screen, I almost fell out of my chair. Un-fuckin-believable how right on he gets it. Truly Goeth-esque. All I can say is he scares the shit out of you in the final scenes. BRILLIANT. Miranda Richardson also does a great job as Rita Skeeter, hitting just the right greasy tabloid reporter tone.

Lastly, this movie has more heartfelt moments compared to the last ones. There's a lot more character moments that pull at your heart strings and small scenes that have you laughing out loud. I felt like I cared more. Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson, and Rupert Grint (Harry, Hermione, and Ron) have definitely come into their own and improved as actors. It is very clear in this movie as they have to emote more than they have ever had to. It is truly astonishing to watch. The scenes leading up to and at the Yule Ball are a thing of beauty.

Now, I'm not going to sugar coat this and say, it's the best movie of the year, but it definitely has the potential to be the BEST of the current Harry Potter movies (yes - even better than Azkaban). I think there are some confusing areas that need to be ironed out for the non-Harry Potter fans and some pacing issues, but once they're done, it'll be a hands down home run of a movie.

I overheard someone say that this a very dark movie and not for the really young kiddies (unless you want to pay for some serious therapy). I'd have to agree that this is definitely a more grown up Harry type movie. It deals with more teenager type issues, romance, and angst for all three of the main characters. A must see movie even in it's current form.

Call me HornTail

P.S. You might want to clean up my grammar a little. I started writing this REALLY late at night and wasn't really paying 100% attention. Feel free to edit out the beginning, I just wanted to make sure you knew I was on the level.

No worries. Good review, and what’s interesting to me is seeing how Radcliffe, Watson, and Grint are handling growing up on camera. I don’t know what Warner Bros. and the parents of these young actors are doing right, but hats off, because they’ve managed to stay focused on the craft, stay out of the tabloids, and they seem to be growing as performers with each new film.

Here’s another take:

Before i start any of this i just wanna that Aint It Cool News is the best movie site online hands down, and Harry and Moriarty do a great service to all of us movie fans.

Now, a week ago today was going to be a regular summer saturday in Chicago, until a friend of mine was asked to participate in a test screening. She asked me if i wanted to go and how could i refuse? The screening was a one of the smaller arthouse theaters in the city but the crowd was big and teeming with excitement. I had no idea what it would be, i was hoping it would be Wedding Crashers, a couple of people behind me were hoping it was Chronicles of Narnia, that would have been cool too, but they dont screen movies that far away do they? Turns out those people were a little closer to the release timeframe than i was, it was HARRY POTTER 4!

Last i heard this movie is going to be released in November and the guy said that we would be one of the first audiences to see the movie anywhere. I am a little bit of a strange Harry Potter fan, considering i've really liked the first three movies and haven't read any of J.K. Rowling's five books. Friends of mine like the movies ok and arent as big fans as i are of them especially Alfonso Cuaron's adaptation of Prisoner of Azkaban. Personally, i think Warner Brothers should have contracted him to direct the rest of the films, he had a perfect tone and pace for his take at Harry Potter. Unfortunately Cuaron did not direct the fourth film, Mike Newell did, and being from the guy that directed Mona Lisa Smile, it shows.

There are some serious pacing issues the whole way through. The begining of the movie jumps from event to event and special effect setups for later in the film. It is a big problem. We jump litterally from Harry, Ron, and Hermione waking up and walking outside with Rons family to touching a port key to being at the Quidditch World Cup in one minute. Not one line of dialouge to let the audience know where they're going until they're there. And you get this same jumps several times in the film, there are big arrivals at Hogwarts and we dont even see who they are for another fifteen minutes. Nothing that happens in the first forty five minutes is set up it just happens in no specific order. We go from the World Cup to the being on the Hogwarts Express, like school starts the next day. I felt like you had to have read the book to know what was going on, what characters were being introduced. The audience is neglected and given no way to figure some scenes out until the movie allows.

It does manage to pick up some steam with the start of the Tri Wizard Tournament, and the events that follow. But there are the obligatory scenes in between, some of which are unbearable. *Mini Spoiler* Ron being mad at Harry for entering the Tri Wizard tournament without telling him. Hermione being worried about Harrys saftey because "wizards have died in the tournament". And more Ron being mad at Harry *End of Mini Spoliers* The bad out weighs the good and there are some mysterious choices for subplot in this film, biggest being a big dance at Hogwarts that gets Harry and Ron all stressed out with who to ask. This whole thing is ridiculously bad and i hope they keep it in the final release. It is complete with a wizard punk band that the kids rock out to and later, young wizards making out in corners. It feels so out of place not only with this film but with the whole Harry Potter world.

With every edition of Harry Potter there is a new cast of supporting characters, some of which are good. Such as the New Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher Professor Moody, who has a large popped out eye that looks pretty good and is played with alot of fun. And a witch reporter with a pen and pad that magically write for her is played well. Lastly the first physical confrontation Voldemort takes place and it is played with alot of care by Ralph Fiennes. It is good for Harry to finally have a real enemy, and for the emeny to not be member of Hogwarts staff. And a dark tone is really set in the last twenty minutes for the next, hopfully more mature instalments. Not nearly as good as the last three films but still better than alot of stuff out there, at least this summer. This has been a great property for Warner and they have to keep it safe, from the looks of this and the direction of the next films they may be in trouble. I hope with touch ups this will be memorable, but its just a little dissapointing now.

If you use this call me Nu Guy. Thanks.

Okay... not so much of a rave. I think this is an important perspective because it sounds like this guy views the films the same way Knowles does... as films. I know that POTTER is a publishing phenomenon, and 90% of the audience for these movies knows the books backwards and forwards before stepping into the theater, but there’s something to be said for the viewer who comes to the films fresh, who simply watched them as movies. Sounds like he was underwhelmed, and it makes me wonder if this one’s going to be considered a backwards step by some viewers.

This last review is the most positive (and detailed) of the ones we’ve gotten in so far. Check it out:

Just got back from (what they told us) was the first screening anywhere of Goblet of Fire here in Chicago. Everyone in the theater was kind of holding their breath, but when one of the monitors said the movie was 2.5 hours, we knew it wasn't Chicken Little. When they announced it was Harry Potter IV, everyone cheered.

It looks really great. I was worried about this one, because the book's so long, and it was hard to see how it would translate well to film, but I think they've pulled it off. I recently read that Mike Newell was going to be building on what Cuaron did in Prisoner of Azkaban, and he has, but he's made it his own, too. It's not so consistently dark. The humor in the books comes through more, and all the kid actors have really improved.

The movie isn't quite finished; they told us at the beginning that if something didn't look right, by the time the movie was released it would be in place, and enough of the special effects were finished that it was more interesting than annoying to see the spots where they were still working on it.

I don't know if anyone goes to these movies who hasn't read the books, and I have a 7 year old HP maniac, so I've got them all but memorized, but I tried to imagine what the story would read like for someone who didn't know the books.

The opening scene is a little skimmed over, so you don't get the whole Riddle family history, and he made the sort of strange choice of having Barty Crouch, Jr. there with Voldemort and Wormtail. It would be a little hard to follow if you hadn't read the books. In fact, my husband, who hasn't been as immersed in them as I've been did find that a little hard to follow. Harry wakes from his dream/vision at the Weasely's house, and is off to the Quidditch World cup in the first 5 minutes of the film. I gotta say, I missed the Dursley's, but I understand why you couldn't have everything. The World Cup scenes were our first unfinished special effects, but we do get to see Harry enter the magical tent, and say "I love magic," and I knew what he meant. I hope they're going to add something of the World Cup, because it skipped from the opening of the game to back in the tent. . . .

As soon as they arrive back at Hogwarts, the Beauxbaton (which Michael Gambon does a true Englishman's pronunciation of) and Durmstrang schools are arriving. The Durmstrang ship looks great. They made the odd choice of having Beauxbaton be an all girls' school and Durmstrang all boys. They really changed Victor Krum's character. He's much more handsome and cocky and little ol' Hermione seems really into him from the start. The championship starts almost immediately. The scene explaining the tournament seemed kind of rushed to me. And Dumbledore got really physical with Harry when he's selected as a champion. In general, I think Michael Gambon has done a much better job with that character, bringing out more of the humor, but that didn't seem to fit at all.

The dragons on the first task are amazing, but most of Harry's fight with it takes place far away from the stadium. It kind of felt more like a car chase scene. It just seemed that in the book part of what was important in the 1st task was bringing the school back around to supporting Harry, and primarily healing the rift with Ron (I told you I'd spent a lot of time with these books. . . .)

Miranda Richardson makes a great Rita Skeeter, and it's a shame that her part was some of what had to be cut back in the interest of time. She's perfect in it.

THe second task is done really well. I do enjoy Rowling's books, but i've gotten the feeling lately it wouldn't hurt her to have an editor with a firmer grip. Newell, like Cuaron, changes the sequence of some events in ways that really improves the tension. Harry gets attacked by grindylows after he's rescued Ron and Gabrielle, so they swim free and he gets pulled down just a little longer. I think it's good to have directors that are a little less reverential than Chris Columbus seemed to be. I'm sure it's also that these directors have more freedom because the kids are so improved, too.

The Yule Ball is well done and all the scenes around it really develop the characters much better. Lots of Fred and George Weasley this time around. (why that family has accents from everywhere in England is not really clear - but Fred's and George's really suit their characters)

The only back story we get on Barty Crouch comes when Harry dips into Dumbledore's pensive, which is a much abbreviated scene, and has Karkarov accuse Crouch, Jr. in open court. That leaves out the whole scary gang of Deatheaters that will appear in 5 and it's NEVER explained how he got out of Azkaban, which is odd given how important it was in 3, but, as I said, it was a 2.5 hour movie. . . .

The 3rd task begins rather abruptly, but it was a cool mix of complete and incomplete effects. The maze looks great, although Krum's behavior is a little thinly developed. Harry says that "he's under a spell," but it's not very clear how he knows this exactly. Cedric and Harry do work well together in all their scenes. The graveyard scene is great. Ralph Fiennes does a really good job in very little screen time. I at first heard that Malkovich was going to be Voldemort, but Fiennes really works. The duel and the way that the spirits of those that Voldemort killed helped Harry could really use just a little bit more work. It was clear that the effects weren't quite finished there, but since there are now no house elves in this version, there's no previous explanation of how you pull the last spell out of a wand.... My husband, who doesn't drive around with Harry Potter on CD in the car, said it wasn't that hard to follow, but I thought it could look more cool.

The final Dumbledore speech on Cedric's death and "Voldemort is back" fell a little flat, but that seems part of working on a series. There aren't really ends. All in all it was a really fun afternoon and I think it's another good movie. Much more actively paced like three rather than the first two. We'll definitely be seeing it again.

My daughter's favorite part: Filch dances with his cat.

I really wish I knew how people got into screenings so regularly; we were just given a flyer at another movie we went to last week, but now I actually have something to send to Ain't It Cool.

You can sign me: Phoebe C.

Thanks, Phoebe. You’re obviously well-versed in all things POTTER, so it’s nice to see how happy you are with the film. Overall, it’s a good batch of reviews, and thanks to all three of you for writing in.

"Moriarty" out.

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  • July 10, 2005, 11:44 p.m. CST

    Cool! Sounds great!

    by d8cam

  • July 10, 2005, 11:47 p.m. CST

    I'm not first, Am I?

    by El Fuego

    Anyway, It's got Franz Ferdinand, and since it seems the pacing is picked, I don't think I'll be missing it.

  • July 10, 2005, 11:51 p.m. CST


    by dirtygoku

    This better be good. I wonder if Spielberg is ever going to direct one of these.

  • July 10, 2005, 11:55 p.m. CST


    by Schmiggy JK

    Cant wait.

  • July 10, 2005, 11:56 p.m. CST

    Best of the year? You must jest

    by Schmiggy JK

    ROTS and batman begins hold that honor. War of the worlds being impressive, but not on the same level.

  • July 11, 2005, 12:06 a.m. CST

    There was a very effective scene in HP3 that reminded me of ALIE

    by FrankDrebin

    When Harry's in the dark hallway with the Marauder's Map, and sees footsteps on the map getting closer and closer, but can't see anyone in the hallway. I half expected xenomorphs to drop out of the ceiling. Excellent editing and use of music.

  • July 11, 2005, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Best movies of 2005 so far

    by mpfanatic

    1. Batman Begins 2. War of the Worlds 3. Mr & Mrs Smith 4. Fantastic Four 5. Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith 6. Be Cool 7. The Interpreter 8. Hitch 9. In Good Company 10. Guess Who

  • July 11, 2005, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Anyone who added to Fantastic Four's box office this weekend

    by IndustryKiller

    The studios can make 500 shit comic films in a row that tank and not think for a second about improving the quality, but when one shit comic flick slips through they say THIS IS WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT! They sit there like vermin and wait for the disgusting average filmgoing public to affirm their belief that they want shitty mindless comic book dreck and now that they have with Fantastic Four we are gonna get NOTHING but horrible garbage until the movies get so bad that the whole trend finally eats itself. But even knowing that some of you stupid assholes just had to go see every comic film that comes out no matter how awful you know it's going to be, even know that you do an incredible disservice to the film community by condoning this garbage. Well then enjoy your god awful RATner directed X3, you have certainly fucking earned it. I'll probably be crucified for this in a talkback where people are calling the unarguably horrible Return of the Sith best film of the year. The Academy, even given is glaring flaws and taste for giving the wrong film Best Picture, would take a collective bullet in the forehead before even dreaming in their wildest of dreams nominating Episode 3.

  • July 11, 2005, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Jesus Christ mpfanatic! You just put fucking Guess Who and Hitch

    by IndustryKiller

    What has this site become? Where are all the movie fans? Is this website now only accesible through middle schools or something? Did I miss the memo. Even Harry's tastes have become so mainstream that almost every film gets a glowing review. It's the wholesale rape of the geek community.

  • July 11, 2005, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Best Picture? Ya right.

    by Schmiggy JK

  • July 11, 2005, 12:18 a.m. CST

    Best Picture? Ya right.

    by Schmiggy JK

    Lets be honest. I may think ROTS, and Batman are the best flicks of the year so far, but none of the flicks out so far this year, will win best picture, and we all know. By no means was infering "critical" superiority. Towards the end of the season some artsy fartsy flick will come out, and woo the critics. (not to say it wont be good, cuz often they are). There just hasnt been a big commercial flick that will garner enough critical praise to win best pictures yet. Not war of the worlds, not batman, not ROTS, and surely not that steaming pile of shit Fantastic four. And to infer that F4 is better then ROTS is a quick way to drop the intelligence level of this talkback to 0.

  • July 11, 2005, 12:19 a.m. CST

    I hope Goblet works half as good as Azkaban

    by oisin5199

    because that film was amazing. I was underwhelmed by the first two and thought they spent so much time on trying to make it faithful that there was nothing interesting about them, no heart or humor. Whereas Cuaron finally decided to give it some character. Just the way Fred and George Weasley were handled, for example, was a brilliant change. Like we were in some strange "Through the Looking Glass" world. Which is what HP should be. And the Dursleys scene was pure genius - to make the Muggles seem more surreal than Hogwarts. Anyway, I am looking forward to seeing Gleeson as Moody and Fiennes as Voldemort. And I WAS one of the people who added to FF's opening box office, so sue me. I'm glad I did - I had fun and enjoyed it. It was no X-Men, but what the hell. I don't think I doomed us to anything. Everyone has different ideas about how films should be made, so get over it. There's several FF talkbacks going now - why must you spread your ire here as well? And I'm not going to rank the year's best movies, because I'm not Ebert, and I really couldn't care less. I only know what I liked and what I saw.

  • July 11, 2005, 12:20 a.m. CST

    Goblet is a pretty solid book, it'd be hard for it to go com

    by Tall_Boy

    well... lets worry bout that one when we get to it, shall we?

  • July 11, 2005, 12:23 a.m. CST

    And to bitch more, I saw a X3 promo poster today...

    by Schmiggy JK

    Are you fucking kidding? The movie isnt even set script wise, actor wise, and already the wolverine claw is being used to hype the sure fire ( at this current pace with the current shit script) dog shit of next summer. I am so not looking forward to seeing my favorite comic series of all time fucked up by that hack ratner, for the love of fucking god, pull the ads, put this movie off till the fall, get a good director, and someone who can write, jesus, even moriaty could write his way into xmen fandom.

  • July 11, 2005, 12:31 a.m. CST

    true, i forgot star wars, thanks for reminder

    by d8cam

  • July 11, 2005, 12:38 a.m. CST

    Goblet of Fire is definitely the best book of the series so far.

    by Serious Black

    But it's enormous. I was kinda hoping they'd split this one into two films because there's so much good stuff in the book. Oh, well. The last movie had some important stuff cut out, too, and it seemed to work out okay.

  • July 11, 2005, 12:40 a.m. CST

    So long as Fiennes turns in a flesh crawling performance

    by 007-11

    I'm happy

  • July 11, 2005, 12:40 a.m. CST

    So long as Fiennes turns in a flesh crawling performance

    by 007-11

    I'm happy

  • July 11, 2005, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Right on Schmiggy

    by Det. John Kimble

    How about this for an X3 option. WAIT FOR SINGER. Damn the "release date." This thing is starting to smell like Batman Forever/ & Robin.

  • July 11, 2005, 12:44 a.m. CST

    That's your top ten for 2005 so far?

    by kintar0

    You've got to be kidding. I refuse to believe you're not "taking the piss" or whatever. That list is teh suck.

  • July 11, 2005, 12:47 a.m. CST

    F all of you

    by AlwaysThere

    X3 is just fine. This site has been peddling some rediculous crap about it and you fools continue to it that shit up.

  • July 11, 2005, 1:08 a.m. CST

    Emma Watson post! (thanks Agent Alonzo)

    by Tall_Boy

    Heh, had to whip that out there, couldn't help it.

  • July 11, 2005, 1:17 a.m. CST

    best films of the year so far...

    by loafroaster

    1)Kung Fu Hustle 2)Sin City 3)ROTS 4)The Life Aquatic 5)Batman Begins And the worst...CURSED!

  • July 11, 2005, 1:18 a.m. CST

    AlwaysThere aka brett ratner

    by Schmiggy JK

    "NEVER TOUCH A BLACK MANS RADIO" Go plan rush hour 4, no one wants to see your ass on the best comic movie series. (sorry spidey fans)

  • July 11, 2005, 1:29 a.m. CST

    and now back on topic

    by Schmiggy JK

    So by the 7th book/movie, how much older then their real ages will these characters look?

  • July 11, 2005, 1:31 a.m. CST

    best films of the year so far...

    by loafroaster

    ...although I haven't seen The Descent yet, and I've been hearing nothing but good things. And hell yeah, keep Ratner the fuck away from X3. All the best superhero movies has benefitted from having indie, non-blockbuster, left-of-centre directors; Raimi, Del Toro, Singer...shame about Ang Lee though...

  • July 11, 2005, 1:36 a.m. CST

    Hairy Potter

    by loafroaster

    As a fan of the books, they better not fuck up Cedric's death, that was one of the most effective and shocking parts of GOF for me. ***SPOILER*** The same way whoever does Order of the Phoenix better not fuck up Sirius Black's 'death'. ***END SPOILER***

  • July 11, 2005, 1:37 a.m. CST

    hitch...guess who...hahaha

    by DocMcCoy

    oh man that made my day. p.s. THE LAST AMERICAN VIRGIN the poop out of me last night.

  • July 11, 2005, 1:46 a.m. CST

    that's "depressed the poop out of me last night"

    by DocMcCoy


  • July 11, 2005, 2:11 a.m. CST

    Yet Another Best of films this year (All released in Norway in 2

    by gigaloff

    1) Sin City, 2) Strings, 3)Kung Fu Hustle, 4)Star Wars ep. III, 5) Layer Cake 6)The Five Obstructions, 7)Team America, 8)Steamboy, 9)Appleseed, 10)The Eye 2 11)War of the Worlds 12) A series of unfortunate Events. Good year so far imo. And Land of the Dead, King Kong, Serenity, Batman Begins, corpse Bride etc. are still to come.

  • July 11, 2005, 2:16 a.m. CST

    Oh, forgot about NIght watch

    by gigaloff

    That's released over here this year. Should've been in the top Five. Does anyone know if part two is out in Russia yet?

  • July 11, 2005, 2:37 a.m. CST

    I'm actually excited for this movie

    by andrew coleman

    There are not many movies to look forward to but this is one of them. Oh yeah and Stealth. Not really but if you like F4 you have to see Stealth it is a new law. Best five movies of the year: Batman Begins, Sin City, Constantine, Unleashed, Ep. 3 or Interpreter, that wasn't in any order but really not that many movies have come out yet in 05 to make a decent list.

  • July 11, 2005, 3:03 a.m. CST

    IndustryKiller, you ruttin dumbass. Also, anyone saying "WOTW i

    by LordEnigma

    I love fucking guys like this. They talk out of their ass, act of our their, and why we are not surprised that they could eat out of their own ass. Will forever remain a mystery. Go to newsorama jackass. Go and read REAL FF fans stating how much they liked the film. God fucking help the world if ONE COMIC BOOK MOVIE IS NOT AS PRETENTIOUS AS SOME COMIC BOOK FANS! Fucking jackylnecks. They just cant have a good time. And fuck WOTW! Let it fucking rot as it should. IT will be remembered as; "That shite film Spielberg did before he got good again with MUNICH." Fuck that film in it's stupid and angry ass.

  • July 11, 2005, 3:17 a.m. CST

    OK LordEnigma I'm pretentious.....

    by IndustryKiller

    I'm also smarter than you and have vastly superior taste. That little diatribe on eating out of asses more or less proves that. Tell me why would you prefer a mindless cartoon than something with real characterization, a non butchered Dr. Doom and special effects thata re dazzling and not cheaply sewn together? You would ge thte best of both worlds, a film with real heart and a fun to watch action spectacular. But no that would confuse you too much, you need things dumbed down. thats ok, someday you'll learn to read. Also fuck WOTW because its angry? Cause god forbid a movie with aliens isnt retardedly watered down (ending not withstanding) but then again I bet the ending was your favorite part. Where do these fucking 13 year old amatuers come from? If this is the best F4 supporters have that's just pathetic.

  • July 11, 2005, 3:58 a.m. CST

    What about Cho Chang?

    by aSTRESSEDavenger

    Did I miss something? Was there no mention of this new actress, because I think it would be important to know whether Harry's interest in her is convincing or not. No, not this Harry... perverts.

  • July 11, 2005, 4:03 a.m. CST

    Oh, and ROTS sucked ass.

    by aSTRESSEDavenger

    I'm amazed that the emperor's idiotic facial expressions and Vader acting like a huge pussy don't have a stronger effect on people. Well, I guess after Jar Jar and Jake Lloyd (or the JJJ... not quite as bad as the KKK, but close) a fanbase can stomach anything.

  • July 11, 2005, 4:26 a.m. CST

    should be a good christmas

    by phortonfour

    We have King Kong, Narnia AND Harry Potter! Whoo! I think the Christmans period will soon be more important than the summer blockbuster season. Around November/December is when the darker big budget films come out. Maybe Batman Begins should have a had a winter release? Well I hope this film manages to fit everything in. Oh and loafroaster, well done on posting the two biggest spoilers of the whole damn series. Anyone scannig this talkback might get some unwanted information. Put SPOILER in your subject next time.

  • July 11, 2005, 4:35 a.m. CST

    No house elves?

    by SmarkJobber

    Isn't "Goblet" the book with Hermione and SPEW? I bet that C-story was snipped early in pre-prod. Too bad, that means Hermione gets the shaft in this movie (pun half-intended).

  • July 11, 2005, 5:10 a.m. CST

    Now that my most eagerly anticipated film of the year (ie ROTS)

    by Colonel_Blimp

    has been out for a while, there is nothing I am more excited about than the arrival of the 6th HP book. That's right. THE BOOK! BTW, order of the phoenix is nigh on unfilmable.

  • July 11, 2005, 6:23 a.m. CST


    by Ribs

    ... one of your top picks so far this year was "Be Cool". I don't know, I thought that movie was a done a lot better when it was called "Get Shorty".

  • July 11, 2005, 7:03 a.m. CST


    by Colonel_Blimp

    that's a possibility. but you know it'll never happen. the problem with OotP is that (if my memory serves my correctly) it is the most "literary" (can you say that? in the meaning of "most like a book"?) of the books so far. there is a lot of exposition, a lot of internal psychological drama, which doesn't transfer well to the screen. also, the novel is in a way without a main plotline, there are just a lot of intertwining subplots, which unless robert altman is hired to direct, will make an unfocused and unengaging film. that said, I think the novel is great... anyway, what they SHOULD have done, from the beginning, is of course to have made it into a lavishly produced TV-series (but no one asked me did they, and it surely wouldn't have made as much money). The main problem with the movies (1 and 2 were good, 3 was great, but still no way near as good as the book) is that they are so hectic. there is so much going on that the scenes never get the time to develop, and the characters remain flat. what you end up with is more like a greatest hits compilation of the books rather than something that stands alone or even emebelish the books. IMO at least. a tv-series would give the series time to breathe, the carachters would have time to develop, there would be room for all those fantastic subplots, and you would finally get the feeling of time passing, of geography, of drama and things at stake, and of character and motivation that are the strengths of rowling's books, which has been somewhat lacking in the adaptations. you had that feeling in LOTR, so it can be done. but there is so much more plot in HP, so a tv series would be the best choice. four hours for philosopher's stone, six for PoA etc...oh well. maybe a remake in fifty years.

  • July 11, 2005, 7:06 a.m. CST

    Industrykiller your so right about F4 but about Potter

    by andrew coleman

    The teaser trailer was even bad ass I seriously am more pumped for this than Kong.

  • July 11, 2005, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Mike Newell and GoF.

    by Meli

    I expect the movie to be an awesome combination of action and romance, because while Mike Newell directed "Four Weddings and a Funeral", he also directed "Donnie Brasco", so... I am absolutely adamant that Tim Burton should direct one though! The only thing that really bugs me is that Warner Brothers aren't listening to the fans when it comes to the length of the movies-they keep saying "Oh no, we can't make it longer than about 2 hours and 20 minutes because no-one would watch it", yet everyone that i've spoken to says that they wished the films were longer and they could have sat there for hours. This sentiment was especially widespread after "Prisoner of Azkaban" came out. Everyone i spoke to and read a review from echoed the same opinion-it was not done faithfully to the book, but in a more artsy fashion and it had some huge, gaping plot holes in it. It looked very nice, but it felt like all the action took place in about a month at the most, and while it looks good when you first see it because it was so different, when you think about it, it is completely unsatisfactory. Personally, i am very glad that Alfonso Cuaron isn't directing any more of the films because it's getting to the point now where you just can't leave out important plot issues like the origins of the Marauder's Map and such like. I know i'm likely to get a verbal bashing for my opinions here, but i am standing my ground. "Prisoner of Azkaban" was very good, there's no doubt about it, but i think because Chris Columbus stayed faithful to the books, his films were far more satisfactory than "Prisoner of Azkaban".

  • July 11, 2005, 8:10 a.m. CST


    by TheBoomCamel

    I don't want to bash you, but I would like to know exactly Cauron let out of PoA that is so important to the overall plot off the series. You talk about the Marauder's Map, but when has the fact that Harry's dad and his crew made the map really made a big difference in the books(so far at least)? So what if a few things get there in a different way? They still got there. I personally saw PoA first and then read the book. Nothing that the movie does hurts the book in any way. I will admit this the task of staying true to the books will just get harder, but not impossible. The only wish I have is to leave my man Kreacher in OotP.

  • July 11, 2005, 8:24 a.m. CST

    Well, I never read a Harry Potter book, but I have seen the film

    by Mr. Profit

    Hopefully part 4 will be good.

  • July 11, 2005, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Tim a Burton...

    by DinoDeLaurentiis

    ... I like a Timmy as a much as a the next guy, but please, a keep him away from a the HP movies. That's a the bad idea...

  • July 11, 2005, 8:36 a.m. CST

    by Teatime

    Spielberg's never going to direct one, apparently JKR doesn't want him to. I wonder why the reviewer who criticised the inclusion of kissing teenagers at the ball thinks it didn't feel right for the HP world... because kids there don't have, like, hormones or something? Hopefully the makers will take all those criticisms of pacing, continuity etc on board.

  • July 11, 2005, 9:28 a.m. CST

    I saw GoF too

    by Unbirthday

    I am in Chicago and got to see GoF as well. To answer aStressedAvenger's question about Cho Chang, she was present in the movie as much as she was in the book. The actress that plays Cho has good acting skills and really seemed sincere when talking with Harry. This film concentrates its focus on the characters and their growth into adolescence. This is why there are scenes with Ron fighting with Harry, scenes with wizards kissing, lots of scenes with the guys embarrassed about crushes on girls, etc. The scenes with Ron and Hermione were much more "dramatic" than they seemed in the book. *SPOILER* I also wondered about the duel in the film. There was no setup on how Harry knew how to duel, and I seem to recall a scene in the book where he duels Draco Malfoy. This is entirely removed from the film. *END SPOILER* If anyone has questions about what the characters look like or about specific scenes, ask in talkback and I'll try to answer from memory.

  • July 11, 2005, 9:33 a.m. CST


    by Skilly McRailnob

    Harry and Malfoy duel in Chamber of Secrets.

  • July 11, 2005, 9:36 a.m. CST

    re: Dueling

    by Unbirthday

    Ah. well there you go then. I was still very confused by how Harry could duel with such skill considering the opponent. There was no setup, like in Azkaban with the Patronus charm.

  • July 11, 2005, 9:36 a.m. CST

    No Sirius????

    by Espy729

    WTF, I thought Gary Oldman was doing his turn as Sirius, at least for the fireplace scene??? IS HE NOT IN THE FILM AT ALL??? That SUCKS.

  • July 11, 2005, 9:40 a.m. CST


    by Unbirthday

    I'm amazed none of the reviewers mentioned Sirius. He has one of the best special effects in the film (aside from the dragons IMHO). The scene with Harry talking to the embers in the fireplace is there and looks very realistic.

  • July 11, 2005, 9:41 a.m. CST


    by jetfire

    TheBoomCamel, I

  • July 11, 2005, 9:44 a.m. CST


    by SmarkJobber

    Is Jason Isaacs in the end sequence at the graveyard?

  • July 11, 2005, 9:45 a.m. CST


    by Unbirthday

    Oh yes. And deliciously so.

  • July 11, 2005, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Sounds disappointing

    by The Colonel

    Like being dragged dancing by a group of girls: ---------------------------

  • July 11, 2005, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Thanks, Unbirthday

    by Espy729

    ...I was really going to boycott it if they'd cut Sirius completely. As it is, that's his only confirmed scene. House-elves, I can live without.

  • July 11, 2005, 10:14 a.m. CST


    by TheBoomCamel

    Secret Keeper vs Good Friend...Big whoop. It would have added time to the movie, but very little more to the story. Time will tell how important the fact that the Marauders were good friends will be. Right now it is great background, but is not so vital that it will ruin the movies if not included. You say the intent is lost when they change things, but so far it hasn't really. Your argument is like saying you were mad because someone in a movie dies from being shot twice instead of three times in the book. All the guilt that Sirius feels and the horribleness of his apparent betrayal are just as strong in the movie. Cauron just decided not to pack on more and more to an already obvious thing.

  • July 11, 2005, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Hermione + Wooden Wand blah blah

    by Shigeru

    Making out wizards at the Yule Ball = GOLD. And apparently Spielberg was offered the series, but he wanted Haley Joel Osment to play Harry. And JKR wanted all British cast, so... I am personally glad that she nixed it tho cause...well...he's British.

  • July 11, 2005, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Unbirthday - a question

    by Wondergirl

    Thanks for your insight. I have a few - yes I admit, shallow questions. Is Harry and Hermione's walk around the lake in the movie? Just the two of them? Is it as romantic as the book makes it? Does Krum show his jealousy towards Harry over Hermione like in the books? And finally - the most important - Do they show Hermione kissing Harry at the end?

  • July 11, 2005, 10:44 a.m. CST


    by Unbirthday

    Hermione has more chemistry with Ron than with Harry in the film, but the scene with Hermione before the triwizard tournament showed how much she cares for him. It is stated that Krum "is more of a physical being" and Hermione acknowledges the double entendre. I honestly don't remember seeing a scene at the end where Hermione kisses Harry. As I said, I believe they are playing up Hermione's relationship with Ron more than with Harry.

  • July 11, 2005, 10:49 a.m. CST

    still in the Cuaron over Columbus camp

    by oisin5199

    If I want the books, I'll read the books. If I want a finely crafted film, I'll see Azkaban. The true test of an adaptation is whether it captures the tone and spirit of the books, not that it includes every plot point. The moment I saw the scene in the first film with the Mirror of Erised, I knew that these films would disappoint. Sure, they included the scene from the book, but they wasted a golden opportunity to really play the emotion of the scene, let it breathe, to add a filmic touch, but the movie just rushed over it so it could get to the next scene from the book, and we were left feeling cold. Azkaban was the first film that felt like it was directed and made as a good, self-contained fantasy film that captured the quirkiness of the books, something Columbus' Disneyfied versions never did. And you didn't have to read the books or see the other two movies to enjoy it.

  • July 11, 2005, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Thanks Unbirthday, 1 more

    by Wondergirl

    So sorry to bug you, but you have given the most straightforward questions. And yes it's just as shallow. There were scenes that aired on TV showing Harry and Hermione dancing but we couldn't tell if that was behind-the-scenes or in the movie. Did Harry and Hermione dance in the movie?

  • July 11, 2005, 10:51 a.m. CST


    by Unbirthday

    Nope. Harry danced with one of the Patil's for one dance and then sat out the rest of the ball. *SPOILER* He really hates all that mushy stuff, you know. He can barely speak to Cho Chang and then when he musters up the courage she's already taken. *END SPOILER*

  • July 11, 2005, 10:55 a.m. CST


    by Shigeru

    Gee I'm noticing a patern don't write creepy fan fiction do you?

  • July 11, 2005, 10:57 a.m. CST


    by Unbirthday

    lol. no. Just trying to share the experience of seeing the movie early. BTW, no one has asked any of the GOOD questions yet. There's lots more to discuss.

  • July 11, 2005, 10:58 a.m. CST

    i always wanted harry and hermione to end up together

    by Colonel_Blimp

    but now it seems more and more likely, both in the books and the films, that she and ron are supposed to suddenly realize they love each other. or is JK just playing us? at least i hope harry doesn't end up with either cho chang or ginny weasley. they're just not interesting enough. what you guys think? ron and hermione? harry and ron? all three?

  • July 11, 2005, 10:59 a.m. CST

    paul thomas anderson for "Phoenix"?

    by mrgreentheplant

    This talk about how intricate the many sub-storylines are in book 5 make me wonder if he'd be good... I didn't like Magnolia but with a better script Phoenix could be great.

  • July 11, 2005, 11 a.m. CST


    by Wondergirl

    LOL! No I don't. Honestly I don't have enough talent to write anything more than a permission slip for my kids. Sadly I am just an older fan of HP that admittedly likes the little romantic moments in the books and wonder how much is in the movie. As most people gave reviews about the biggers aspects of the film and Unbirthday was kind enough to answer I figured I'd ask to see if certain scenes were in there. Thanks again Unbirthday!

  • July 11, 2005, 11 a.m. CST

    ok, here's a good question unbirthday

    by Colonel_Blimp

    was it good?

  • July 11, 2005, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Snape and couples

    by ROBE

    Hopefully the movie will include scenes of Snape zapping teenage couples who are hiding behind objects while they do what teenagers do (just like the book). I am surprised the movie has been able to fit so much in, with the Dursleys, Ludo Bagman and House Elves being the main things cut. Sorry to correct reviewer 2 but the novel does feature the Yule Ball with teenagers getting strange feelings, thats life. As for the usual Cuaron Fan Club members, Alfonso quit because he was not willing to compromise on doing a movie series, he wanted to do his own thing. This was pretty evident from the fact that nothing looked like it did from the previous movies.

  • July 11, 2005, 11:02 a.m. CST

    I got a good question...

    by Shigeru

    Does it show Pettigrew blowing off his own arm in order to bring Voldy back? Does it show the little creepy demon-baby Voldemort? My money is on Ginny W. biting it in Half-Blood Prince. Herm + Ron all the way.

  • July 11, 2005, 11:08 a.m. CST

    "P.S. You might want to clean up my grammar a little. "

    by Stan the Bat

    Now THAT's funny.

  • July 11, 2005, 11:09 a.m. CST


    by Unbirthday

    It was good. The rough cut of the film was very dark and not all the effects were in. The pacing of course needs work. I did feel that this has the potential to be the best of the series to date, but will depend on the editing. I saw Mona Lisa Smile and hope that Mike Newell has learned from his mistakes in that film and will tighten GoF properly. As it is right now, this film would be a HARD PG-13 (multiple on-screen deaths, violence, blood, adult situations) and will not be good for the young kids. Oh and He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named. Yeesh. They need to work on the pre- Fiennes effects.

  • July 11, 2005, 11:14 a.m. CST


    by Unbirthday

    Yes. Yes. Baby Voldemort is in, and you don't see him until the end of the film. Baby V looks like Baby Gollum with gray clammy skin and sharper teeth, and is mostly animatronic. This movie opens up a big reason why Ginny may stick around through the end of the series.

  • July 11, 2005, 11:24 a.m. CST


    by Wondergirl

    Unbirthday, I've been sitting here tryint to think of what you meant by no one has asked any GOOD questions yet. What have we missed? Is your comment about Ginny something? Other reviewers seem to think her role is pretty minimal in the movie, but was there something that made you see otherwise? Personally I thought she was pretty high on the possible death list, but your comment about her being around until the end makes me curious. Also, if you aren't sick of me yet - I promise I do have a life I have to get back to soon - I heard others say that Ron is a real git to Harry. Is it much worse that in the books? Does he wear a badge? When do they make up?

  • July 11, 2005, 11:32 a.m. CST


    by Unbirthday

    *SPOILERS AGAIN* Ginny and Neville. Ginny and Neville spend all night together, presumably dancing but more is implied. Plus, didn't they already petrify her in Chamber of Secrets? Ron is a real git to Harry because he thinks Harry found a way to put his own name in the Goblet of Fire without telling Ron. I don't recall him wearing a badge, but Ron and Harry make up in a funny way after the first Triwizard challenge.

  • July 11, 2005, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Re: CoverMeWithBlood

    by Mafu

    You wrote, "They went back to Roger Pratt who is a fucking awfull DP..." That's cool if you think Roger Pratt is an awful cinematographer, but I'd like to counter your argument with my opinion that I think he's one of the best in the business. Pratt's work in "Brazil," "Twelve Monkeys," the orginal "Batman," and one the most beautifully shot films ever, in my opinion, "Shadowlands," puts him high on my list of favorite DPs. Maybe his work on "Troy" was a bit lacking, but I think Wolfgang Petersen bungled that film regardless of how quality the lighting might've been. I'm not much of a Harry Potter fan, though I did enjoy "The Prisoner of Azkaban," but if Roger Pratt is the DP on the fourth Harry Potter film, I'll go see it.

  • July 11, 2005, 11:43 a.m. CST

    any casting suggestions for OotP?

    by Colonel_Blimp

    Personally when i read the books I always pictured Ewan McGregor as Lupin (though i loved Thewlis) and Anthony Hopkins as Mad Eye (have my hopes up for gleeson though). I think Gambon is a better Dumbledore than Harris, and the rest of the cast is pretty much perfect. But Dorothy (?) Umbridge will be a hard one... And the problems with the first two films was never the cinematography.

  • July 11, 2005, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Question(s) for Unbirthday

    by LadyJinn

    What a huge disappointment that we don't get the end hospital scene. That was one of the best parts of the book - Dumbledore chewing out Fudge, Snape revealing (in front of EVERYONE) his dark mark, Sirius and Snape confronting each other as (reluctant) allies. Which brings me to my question. Snape is my absolute favorite character, certainly the most interesting and difficult to figure out - I think he's going to end up being of key importance in the end. He hasn't been in any of the movies quite enough, in my biased opinion. Doesn't sound like he's in this one much either and granted he doesn't play too big a role in this book (though they better not screw up the Pensieve scene in Movie 5!) - really, huge shame about that hospital scene... Anyway, can you tell us anything about the Snape scenes, if there are any? Do we see him and Moody in the hall at night? Does Dumbledore talk to Harry about Snape being a Death Eater? What about the Hermione teeth-hex scene? Any bits of conversations between Snape and Karkaroff as fellow Death Eater alumni?

  • July 11, 2005, 12:09 p.m. CST


    by Unbirthday

    How can you _not_ like Alan Rickman in anything he does? *SPOILERS* Snape is mentioned as being a deatheater, but only as a spy for the Ministry. Dumbledore says "He's no more a deatheater than I am." Snape has a cute scene with Harry and Ron in study hall, and one scene sans dialogue with Karkaroff. He is also brought into the plot when someone starts to steal ingredients for Polyjuice Potion and he confronts Harry. The teeth hex is absent from the film.

  • July 11, 2005, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Who should a play a the Umbridge

    by DinoDeLaurentiis

    I always a thought that a the Patricia Routledge would a make a the nice Umbridge. She probably a little too old a now to do it, but I could a see it inna my mind. Iffa you ever watch a the Hyacinth show onna the BBC you a know who I'ma talkin' about.

  • July 11, 2005, 12:15 p.m. CST

    I have a pet theory

    by Colonel_Blimp

  • July 11, 2005, 12:16 p.m. CST

    and here it is (damn enter key)

    by Colonel_Blimp

    there was a love triangle between snape, james and lily. perchance james stole lily from snape? woulda been cool, n'est ce pas?

  • July 11, 2005, 12:24 p.m. CST

    The problem with these movies is the timeframe they are being ma

    by Lezbo Milk

    Honestly, they should have waited to make these films until the series was finished. The problem is, they just couldn't wait to cash in. Now they've really painted themselves into a corner. Books of this size take time to write. To much time has passed and will pass by the time the last book is ready to be filmed, and the principal actors will be in thier very late teen or possibly early twenties (not sure on thier actual age now..14-16?) They will be too old to play thier parts. Then what? Get new actors? That would be a disaster, a total disaster. If they just could have waited, taken thier time, they could have filmed the series much like Peter Jackson did with LOTR. The very best way they could have done these film is to have waited till the books were done, then shot HP 1 & 2 consecutively. Then 3 & 4 the next year. 5 & 6 the year after, then finally top it off with the seventh film. There are so many advantages to waiting. They could have written the scripts all at once from a persective of the whole story. They would have the actors ageing as they do in the film (with breaks in between filming it would probably take 6 years to film them all, which would be about right for the ageing process). Then once all the first two films are in the can, you realease one every Christmas for 7 years. It would have ruled had they done it that way. These kids are going to be too damn old by the end of these films.

  • July 11, 2005, 12:24 p.m. CST


    by jetfire

    Putting Secret Keeper in wouldn

  • July 11, 2005, 12:33 p.m. CST

    AZKABAN is so overrated. The last act of that movie is an utter

    by chickychow

    Felt like I was going around in circles during that movie, which was a shame since its first 3rd is pretty good...Personally I think the 2nd movie was the best (but waay too long), and thats just a C+, so... Not a big fan of the series.

  • July 11, 2005, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Please don't let this be a backward step for the series!

    by performingmonkey

    I was worried when I found out that they'd gone back to using the crew from the first two films and not Cuaron's, AND that Newell was directing. When loads of book fans threw a mental fit over Prisoner of Azkaban just because two measly details were left out (things that can easily be brought up in the 5th or 6th movie!), I was worried that they'd go back to the 'by the numbers' style with no flair or growth for Goblet of Fire. It seems that this is partially true, if the comments about quickly cutting from scene to scene and trying to cram in elements are true. If you talk to non-book fans they'll immediately say that PoA was the best movie. That because it IS a much better movie than the first two. Book fans are only interested in things like certain lines being given to different characters and switching of scene locations etc. So what if a scene is outside instead of inside?? If it makes it more visually stunning then where's the problem??? They must learn (like Peter Jackson learned with LOTR) that you can't make a good movie if you stick to the text like it's holy. You CANNOT put a book onscreen!! If you want the book, READ IT!! Or listen to an audio reading of it! I worry for the next film (Order of the Phoenix) because it's the director's first movie! Great idea, get a director who's never done a picture before to do the fifth movie in a huge important franchise... Granted, the fifth book is a lot more about character with less action, but they need to sign someone HUGELY talented for the sixth and seventh (Spielberg?).

  • July 11, 2005, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Waiting to make a the movies

    by DinoDeLaurentiis

    I waited 40 years to make a the Kong, anna look how good a she turn out. Anna then I waited another 10 years to make a the Kong 2. Anna you alla know how good that one was...

  • July 11, 2005, 12:54 p.m. CST


    by oisin5199

    It depends on how you want to play her. If you're going for menacing and dark, I would think Judi Dench. If you want to make her more ridiculous (like the drawings in the book), perhaps Jennifer Saunders, unless she's been in the series already and I can't remember. Oh wait, I've got it - the woman who's the farmer's wife in Babe. She played Furlow (sp?) on Farscape. She could be frumpy and scary all at once. She's Australian (I think), not British, but what the hell.

  • July 11, 2005, 12:58 p.m. CST

    yo dino

    by lopan

    your last name has 2 i's in it, just thought you might like to know, you can a-check your bio on IMDB to clarify. that being said if GOB is half as good as POA i'll be pleased...

  • July 11, 2005, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Harry Potter theories

    by Ingeld

    Rowling is good at creating an interesting world, but her characters and the simple plots are of the fairly predictable kind. By the endof the series 1) Hermione and Ron will get together--old wizarding family with a muggle family. It is the backbone of the whole story--i.e. Harry Himself. 2) Harry will in the end be paired off with Ginny. What does Harry want more than anything? And what does Ron want more than anything? Harry wants a family and Ron wants fame. In the end both will get what they want, Harry by becoming a Weasley via Ginny. Ron through some great event in which he rescues Hermione. 3) Duddly is the half blood prince. 4) Snape will be redeemed by the end of the series. 5) Dumbledore will die. The hero always has to lose his mentor and stand completely on his own. 5) Neville will become a Hogwarts teacher.

  • July 11, 2005, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Azkaban: WORST HP film so far...

    by JaeZion

    ...but it sounds like that might change. JK doesn't need a better editor. Why do people always make their pathetic cases for why they have to change an original bit of writing to adapt to film, but adaptations that are most faithful are always most successful? WB decided after KILL BILL not earning 200 million for release of parts 1 and 2 each, similar to "Reloaded" and "Revolutions", that splitting an unwieldly adaptation into two more faithful parts was not commercially viable. Film as a medium will never grow if it always has to be under 2.5 hours. War of the Worlds was a huge disappointment, mostly because it was hyped as "epic" and then way too fucking short. But you could show it 6 times a day instead of 4, so it was "the perfect length". It's too bad that the whole country has A.D.D. because parents set their children in front of the T.V. instead of reading to them (sesame street?), but the few of the rest of us shouldn't suffer because people drink an eight gallon soda and then need to piss fifty times. (People sat through Return of the King, only because the whole country was on the bandwagon. In a country full of followers, it's tough to feel left out 3 years in a row.) First two HP films, sadly, will remain the best because Columbus was the only one who knew what he was doing. Does anyone really wonder why Steve Kloves and John Williams left?

  • July 11, 2005, 1:06 p.m. CST

    One more theory

    by Ingeld

    6) After Dumbledore dies, Snape will be headmaster. This will at first seem like a bad thing, but by the end of the book when he is redeemed in the eyes of the reader it will be revealed to be a good thing.

  • July 11, 2005, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Couple of Constants

    by Ribbons

    1) The movie is less user-friendly than the last three were. 2) Ralph Fiennes does a good job as Voldemort. 3) The kids are all decent.

  • July 11, 2005, 1:09 p.m. CST


    by DinoDeLaurentiis

    You donna think I a know how a to spell a my own a name???? I know it has a the two i's, but a the talk-a-back, she only allow me so many characters inna my, how you say, "UserID". I got it maxed out, eh? I figure, "nobody gonna notice iffa I leave out a the i." Goddamn know-it-all whiz-kids with a your IMDB anna your internet.

  • July 11, 2005, 1:12 p.m. CST


    by JaeZion

    Are you Avi Arad's bitch or something? X-3 will kill of the two of the four most important X-characters and incorporate elements from after the Onslaught and the 2001 reboot, all while never really touching on any of the best of the Claremont stuff. They should do three more X-films and still never make it to 1991. You must work for Fox or Ratner, Always There. You must be the idiot in the audience that the suits at WB and Fox are aiming for.

  • July 11, 2005, 1:12 p.m. CST

    How's this?

    by DinoDeLaurentiis

    You a happy now?

  • July 11, 2005, 1:21 p.m. CST

    The whole point of making movies from books, this, narnia, remak

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    they all have sequels to make even more money from. Anyhoo, I, for one, love the pacing of the Harry Potter books, and as good as Cuaron's was, they are all too short. They don't take enough time to bring in the subtleties and subplots that make the Harry Potter books so good. I don't see all the hatred towards Order of the Phoenix either... (Spoiler) Sirius' death is so tragic...

  • July 11, 2005, 1:33 p.m. CST

    GOBLET OF GORE by Andreas Schnaas!!!

    by godoffireinhell

    Watch it instead. It has Viking Penis Demons and splatter!

  • July 11, 2005, 1:49 p.m. CST

    nicksaicnsn (SPOILERS)

    by Ribbons

    Yeah, but I don't know. His death was so vague that I wouldn't be surprised if he came back later. But it was sad, and I enjoyed that book quite a bit. Not as much as "Goblet of Fire," which I still love the most even though it has more loose-ends than any of the first three books. I prefer Rowling's longer, meandering books to her shorter ones. Go figure.

  • July 11, 2005, 1:50 p.m. CST

    This movie is not for little kids.

    by sevadro

    Shut the fuck up. I'm sick of hearing that shit.

  • July 11, 2005, 1:56 p.m. CST


    by BeeDub

    At what point does the movie end? Right after Dumbledore's speech?

  • July 11, 2005, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Oh, and...

    by BeeDub

    Is Moody's eye held in by a patch, as was suggested by that leaked photo a few days ago?

  • July 11, 2005, 1:57 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    I couldn't help but chuckle as you rattled off your list of predictions for the HP series, because you're probably right about most of them.

  • July 11, 2005, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Harry Potter Screening in Chicago

    by stdenis

    I've seen "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire." My wife and I were among several hundred people invited to a special screening of "a family film" here in Chicago. No idea what it was going to be. I sussed out that it was going to be a science fiction, fantasy or horror film but thought it might be "Serenity" since that's due out in September. It was "Goblet..." The audience went wild. Many of the effects were unfinished. That was to be expected. Let me say this: I am a fan. I've read all the books twice and have listened to the American version of the audio tapes twice as well. I liked the first film, thought the second was an improvement and felt the third was the best of the lot. I'm not certain if all of the scenes were included in the version I saw -- the World Cup, certainly was skeletal (in terms both of the effects and the sequence of events leading up to and through the game as well as into the sequence that includes the Death Eater's attack) and left quite a few people in the crowd (those who have not read the books but have seen the films) a bit confused as to what was going on. As well: the introduction of the Triwizard Tournament was so perfunctory as to be, well, almost not there! In fact, the ship from Durmstrang and the carriage from Beaubaton arrived before Dumbledore announces the tournament! Much of the film seems rushed. Many subtleties are glossed over. Much is missing. There is no Ludo Bagman! No Percy Weasly! Barty Crouch is in throughout and then is killed in the woods with little ceremony. Worse! While Ralph Feines makes an excellent Voldemort, his arrival seems rushed, a bit empty...dare I say, almost an anticlimax. The dragons are good. And, like the book, we see Harry waiting in the tent until last to have his go at capturing the golden egg. However, we never hear any of what goes on in the arena during his wait. Harry's solution -- summoning his broom -- is never discussed ahead of time and he enters the ring withh only a vague idea of what he's going to do. When he finally says "Assio Broom!" the spell is almost covered by sturm and dragon drang and, only if you already know what he's doing do you know he's doing! THEN, there is an over-the-top chase (supplanting, I suppose, the over-the-top quidditch games of the previous films) that goes on for far too long. The underwater sequences are quite good. Spooky, well paced and do what they need to do. The attack of the other critters happens after Harry has released Ron and Fleur's sister, by the way. That works nicely. Overall, this is the best of the three tests. Nevil is quiite wonderful in this...he's the one who gives Harry the Gillyweed to enable him to breathe underwater. There is no Dobbie. Brendan Gleason is a supurb Mad Eye Moody! Snape...well...I love Rickman but he has very little to do here. He's almost a pussycat, in fact. Just a couple confrontations with Harry and company and he's just, well...non-Snape! He agrees with Harry in one critical sequence (after Harry has been chosen as the 4th of the Triwizards) and the only real conflict is when he chides Ron, Harry and Hermione for tallking in class... What the...? Dumbledore--and Michael Gambon is one of my favorite character actors -- is over the top at the beginning, and only settles down later in the film -- after the return of You-Know-Who. What is handled very well is the coming-of-age sequences. They are touching, funny and altogether real. Krum is almost non-existant. He has, perhaps, one word: "Hermione!" Which he speakes quite properly without any "Herm-my-ones" or whatever. Overall, I'd say they should have broken this book into two films--released them at short intervals: at Thanksgiving/Christmas, perhaps and released the second half at the beginning of summer. I've got a lot more to say. Just ask. I'll tell.

  • July 11, 2005, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Jason Isaacs' & the Death Eaters - gay costume question beca

    by Tall_Boy

    I thought they were described wearing masks in the book so you can't see who they are. So, do you see Jason Isaacs or just hear 'em the whole time. What do the masks look like? Do they obscure thier entire face? For some kooky reason, I keep thinking of Frank the Bunny from Donnie Darko, but that would be nuts.

  • July 11, 2005, 2:27 p.m. CST

    I think

    by Quin the Eskimo

    eyes wide shut

  • July 11, 2005, 2:29 p.m. CST

    A couple of questions

    by Wondergirl

    OK, I&#39;ll try to focus on some other parts of the book. BUT, if anyone can answer first, what are Harry and Hermione arguing about in some pics I&#39;ve seen? I think it&#39;s during their lake walk. (Are you sure it&#39;s not a little romantic? LOL!)<br> Anyway, so there isn&#39;t a scene at the end where Fudge and Dumbledore disagree about Voldemort? At the end is there ever a mention from Dumbledore about the Order like in the book when he wants to round them up? Is the scene where Harry receives the winnings and gives them to the twins? Are the Canary Cremes in there at all? And how pathetic are Harry and Ron looking for dates? Any answers would be greatly appreciated.

  • July 11, 2005, 2:52 p.m. CST

    I agree with a stdenis

    by DinoDeLaurentiis

    I don&#39; know why they didn&#39;t just a film one a big movie anna release it back-a-to-back, like a they did with a Matrix 2 anna 3. It woulda been a way cheaper than a filming two movies, an&#39; they woulda raked it in atta the box office. It&#39;s a like, you gotta the guaranteed audience for a the 2nd film... anna then, they coulda raked it in for a the DVD sales too.... it&#39;s a the No-Brainer! Shoot it! Print it! Inna the can! OLD SCHOOL BABY!

  • July 11, 2005, 2:57 p.m. CST

    David Yates directs OOTP

    by holidill

    British Director David Yates is directing Harry Potter and The Order of the Phoenix. I re-read the book this weekend in anticipation of the new book coming out on Saturday. I too see Judi Dench as Prof. Umbridge, she would be perfect. See how she played Queen Elizabeth in Shakespear in Love and amp it up a little bit and you have Umbridge.

  • July 11, 2005, 2:58 p.m. CST

    stdennis is right on

    by oxbox

    I too was at the screening and stdenis &#39;s observation were the most accurate review I read. They attempt to squeeze too much into the movie. So much so that they introduce things like the World Cup and then leave them so fast they become useless and extraneous. the first 30-45 there was little dialogue or introduction to story or characters. Since I have read the book I understood what I was seeing, but if I hadnt I&#39;d be lost. After the story kicks in the movie definately works. When we get character interaction and dialogue the movie is truly fun. My only other beef is with Dumbledore who comes across far too harsh and not at all grandfatherly nor "wizard-like", I miss Richard Harris. The potentional is there, hope they work it out in the final cut.

  • July 11, 2005, 3:06 p.m. CST

    movie vs books

    by jetfire

    I hate when people compare SS & CoS movies to PoA and say that it

  • July 11, 2005, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Wondergirl questions

    by oxbox

    The "argument" between Harry and Hermoine is not an an argument. It is when Ron is not speaking to Ron and she is acting as an intermediary. The winnings are not addressed at all nor are the Canary Cremes.

  • July 11, 2005, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Dudley&#39;s the half-blood prince?

    by Shigeru

    Duhr, am I missing something? Not bloody likely

  • July 11, 2005, 3:26 p.m. CST

    I don&#39;t want to be mean but...

    by Cat_Corporation

    Why all the really detailed questions? Surely half the fun is going in to see what they&#39;ve done with the film, and then afterwards to go to the pub (or international equivalent) and bitch about what they added or left out? Don&#39;t get me wrong, I&#39;m as excited about the movie as the next person; but it was wonderful going into Azkaban and being enchanted (no pun intended!) by what Cuaron had done with Hogwarts and Hogsmead, having not seen much of the set beforehand. The snow and the Highland/stone-circle setting was so magical (dagnamit!) that I had a real open-mouthed moment sitting there in the cinema, at how beautiful the film looked. I hope Newell keeps some of that. On a different note, it&#39;s great to have Potter back in a Christmas release date, here in London at least; summer just doesn&#39;t go with the twinkly bells of the score! The next best thing to a LOTR movie in the festive season, in any case.

  • July 11, 2005, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Kong is going to MURDER Harry Potter

    by BurlIvesLeftNut

    Haha. I don&#39;t give a shit about either, but this thread doesn&#39;t have near enough venom in it.

  • July 11, 2005, 3:32 p.m. CST

    To those who have seen it...

    by aSTRESSEDavenger

    In one of the main reviews it is mentioned that the mermaids are badass, but in the teaser that one effect looked awful. So what didn&#39;t we see that will make that scene so much better? A harpooning?

  • July 11, 2005, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Dudley the half blood prince.

    by Ingeld

    Well what would be odder--Vader as Luke&#39;s father? Here is my reasoning: 1) Rowling said that the plot for this book was originally going to be the immediate sequel to the first book. As one of Harry&#39;s nemesis in the first book, it would make sense to have him play a central role in a sequel, more so than other characters that were developed in later books. 2) Something is up with Dudley&#39;s mom in relation to her heritage--she&#39;s hiding something--probably from her husband because of their son 3) Dragging a reluctant Dudly into the world of Hogwarts would be great fun for Rowling to write. Harry would reluctantly feel like he had to protect him and show him the ropes. Yet he can&#39;t stand him. Dudley would become a kind of anti-hero. Lot&#39;s of potential for humor. Vernon needs to get his comeuppance. This would be perfect for that too. I am not saying I am absolutely right, but it is not as far fetched as you imagine. Anyway, we will find out very soon.

  • July 11, 2005, 3:51 p.m. CST


    by LadyJinn

    I can only speak for myself, but I prefer to know which of my favorite bits are NOT in the movie. Then I don

  • July 11, 2005, 3:56 p.m. CST

    by Jared

    The best movie so far this year is "Crash".

  • July 11, 2005, 3:59 p.m. CST

    David Yates = State of Play, which was great!

    by chickychow

    An odd choice to say the least (odder than Newell even, tho they&#39;re both brits), but State of Play was a terrific miniseries that I caught on BBC-A, and it instantly made me interested in this guy&#39;s future projects... To tell the truth, I&#39;m more looking forward to HP5 than this new one just for that reason (not a reader of the books). . .

  • July 11, 2005, 4:01 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    That&#39;s disappointing. By throwing out the Death Eater angle of Snape, which is what I assume they did through reading your review and the ones featured above, they lose a lot of what could have been rich material for the character. The Death Eaters are a pretty fascinating and complex addition to the idea of Voldemort and I think it&#39;s a bad idea to have pissed them away so easily. Other changes to Harry Potter lore aren&#39;t so difficult to handle because they&#39;re either superfluous or simply more fat on the bone. But I think they lose the opportunity to explore both Snape and Voldemort more as well as explain what&#39;s going on for future reference. If this film seemed unaccessible to non-readers, I can only imagine that OotP will seem similarly arbitrary and befuddling. Oh well.

  • July 11, 2005, 4:02 p.m. CST


    by TheBoomCamel

    Sorry, but so far your argument has been because it is not exactly like the book it is garbage. For example, I didn&#39;t want to see the subplot of quidditch season in PoA. It makes fun reading, but isn&#39;t necessary to the overall scheme of things. The way Harry gets the firebolt is fine with me. It is exactly the same way, just a different time. Your problem is that you have trouble letting go of the book. It won&#39;t be perfect. That is life, but to assail a movie because it ended different or left out a plot point you personally love is just blantantly silly. Also, just so you know I am flabbergasted by the ommision of the hospital scene at the end of Goblet. That scene is the jump off point for Order of the Pheonix. I&#39;ll wait to see it, but without that scene they will have to backtrack in the next movie or some people&#39;s actions, like Fudge, will make little sense.

  • July 11, 2005, 4:12 p.m. CST

    goblet of jism

    by vicious_bastard

    a movie about little wizards is not for children? shame on you adults. anything that gets kids reading is OK in my book however - ha, see what I did there?

  • July 11, 2005, 4:13 p.m. CST

    His Dark Materials

    by keepcoolbutcare

    Draco is illegimitate, or, gasp! Lord Voldy knocked up some witch cooz (lord Voldie to Prince Voldie). The books are fun, movies have gotten progressively better...BUT I WANT MY ARMORED FUCKING POLAR BEAR IOREK BYRINSON ON FILM!!! Narnia looks like it might actually be kinda fun but, um, we just had the passion of the jew. I WANT MY GOLDEN COMPASS, please, please, please!!! Dino, c&#39;mon man, you can get us some European dough, some studio can cough up $50 mil or so (or two studios at $50 mil each), we&#39;ll film it back to back with the "Subtle Knife", release it globally BEFORE A US RELEASE (ya know, good word of mouth, healthy BO from Europe and Asia, release it only in Blue States and see this baby rake in Farenhype numbers (100 global, 120 us, with DVD and TV we got ourselves a profit). Use said profit to make "The Amber Spyglass" a two part movie, shake, repeat. Did I already mention ARMORED FUCKING POLAR BEARS!!!

  • July 11, 2005, 4:27 p.m. CST

    i dont give a fuckshit

    by satansteve

    its just cheesy movies about some four eyed twats dont really capture my imagination. i want my heroes more...heroic, not geeky. bring on the next captain kirk!

  • July 11, 2005, 4:42 p.m. CST


    by tbrosz

    You know, the books get bigger and bigger each time. The movies have to cut more and more out. I&#39;m afraid this is REALLY going to show in this one. At what point will they give up and split a book into two movies?

  • July 11, 2005, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Unbirthday and SPOILERS

    by MasterWhedon

    Hey, I got to read a bunch of this script a little while back and it was fabulous. This is my favorite of the books and it looks like the translation is being handled well. Unbirthday, two questions: 1) Do they keep the scene where Moody turns Malfoy into a ferret and bounces him around the room? 2) Are the actors who play Lilly and James the same from SS or POA (I believe they were two different pairs)? OH! And a surprise 3rd, 3) Is there absolutely nothing about the house-elfs and SPEW? Thanks!

  • July 11, 2005, 5:24 p.m. CST

    fucking sweet

    by josh_strapp

    take that you peter jackson ass kissers

  • July 11, 2005, 6:12 p.m. CST


    by Unbirthday

    1)yes and it&#39;s done to great effect. 2)I really have no idea. Lilly and James looked exactly like the drawings from the book and had maybe 15 seconds of screen time. 3)No mention of the house elves or SPEW.

  • July 11, 2005, 6:17 p.m. CST


    by Kikster

    You are so wrong. Harry is tied to Voldemort (i.e. Wands made from the same feather, Harry&#39;s scar warning him when Voldemort is near or gaining power). When Harry defeats Voldemort he will in turn end up killing himself. End of story.

  • July 11, 2005, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Don&#39;t care much for the films

    by TrendHater73

    I was introduced to Harry Potter through the first film, so it holds a special place in my heart. However, once I read the series, it ruined the films for me. I actually can&#39;t stand the films. Its sad too, because I always hold out hope for them and then feel really let down. I understand time costraints, as I work in the film industry. Its just... I don&#39;t know. The 3rd movie wasn&#39;t even close to the book, which was my favorite book in the series. So, that put me off majorly. I don&#39;t like Curaon or however you spell his name. He threw a lot of his own twists into the film that just didn&#39;t fit and took it into a different direction. I&#39;m still wondering if Lupin had a love affair with Lily, because of the way he spoke about her. Makes me a little leery of this next one.

  • July 11, 2005, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Hey Unbirthday!

    by monkies

    Thx for answering all these questions, so anyway can u describe the part where ron realizes that hermione is a "girl". Is it cute or can u not even notice?

  • July 11, 2005, 6:35 p.m. CST

    MasterWhedon and sort of SPOILERS

    by Ribbons

    Master Whedon, one question: 1) Can we take that to mean that the script had house elves and SPEW in it?

  • July 11, 2005, 6:37 p.m. CST

    2 different entities

    by Delgarth

    That&#39;s how I look at the film compared to the books. You just can&#39;t cram all that stuff into a 2 and half hour movie. I just take them as they come and enjoy them seperatly for what they are. You will never have all the nuances in the book show up on screen. That&#39;s just the way it will be. Live with it and enjoy the movies for what they are. Entertainment!

  • July 11, 2005, 6:45 p.m. CST


    by Unbirthday

    A good portion of the film is devoted to Ron&#39;s realization that he is attracted to Hermione (Yule Ball, Hermione&#39;s relationship with Krum). Ron did have a crush on Fleur Delacour in this film though. This is typical of adolescent boys, and both girls are given quite a bit of screen time.

  • July 11, 2005, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Sounds like it&#39;s well made, but too many important details c

    by minderbinder

    Cuaron did a fantastic job directing, but the script let him down, too many cuts of vital backstory bits and too many changes that were just plain stupid. Sounds like this one is another mixed bag. I&#39;m excited, but more looking forward to Kong, Narnia, and especially the next book coming out in four days. hope her editor actually did her job this time around, this one IS shorter so maybe it&#39;s less of a bloated mess than the last two.

  • July 11, 2005, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Harry Potter

    by stdenis

    I posted a rather long talk-back on the screening in Chicago. I don&#39;t see it posted but the gist is: Goblet of Fire is by far the least of the four Potter films. It is a gloss of the text. The characters are just skin and bone of what they need to be, the climactic event is a anticlimax and the entire film is rushed and sloppy. I wanted so much to like it. And there is much to like: Mike Newell gets the coming-of-age stuff just about right. Mad-Eye is wonderfully captured by Brendan Gleason. Neville comes into his own, at last. On the other hand, some of our favorites, Dumbledore, Snape, Hagrid, are just shades of what they were. In all: the film absolutely need more time. 2 hrs. and 20 minutes is not enough to tell this story. It should be broken into two films and released in close proximity of each other as with the KILL BILLs. So there. Larry Santoro come read the site:

  • July 11, 2005, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Would be great for LOTR-like extended dvd&#39;s...

    by SK909

    Since so much has to be cut in order to fit a reasonable running time, these movies would be perfect candidates for an extra 30mins. to an hour added to an extended edition dvd. Just a thought...

  • July 11, 2005, 9:09 p.m. CST

    this was my favourite of the books but

    by Cedar_Room

    I have to say I really didn&#39;t like Azkabhan it bored me to tears, none of the charm of the first film. And lets face it - Harry is one annoying little bastard and the lad who plays him is pretty shit. Still, looking forward to seeing how Hermione is developing.....(is she legal yet?)

  • July 11, 2005, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Emma Watson

    by Itchy

    Look, I really haven&#39;t read any of the Harry Potter books, so I&#39;m not qualified to judge how well she plays the role of Hermione, but she works magic in my pants, I don&#39;t care what age she is. I just hope she tries to broaden her acting horizons somewhat.... I would recommend a Larry Clark movie. Are they casting a sequel to Bully any time soon ?

  • July 11, 2005, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Sounds like after Azkaban, it&#39;s all downhill.

    by Smurfette

    HP3 is tough to top.

  • July 11, 2005, 11:06 p.m. CST

    Anything Else?

    by monkies

    So Unbirthday, is there anything else that u havent mentioned that you really want to tell us, it&#39;s hard to think of any good questions because they seem to keep repeating themselves.

  • July 11, 2005, 11:46 p.m. CST

    cauron&#39;s poa

    by blackthought

    if absolutely fantastic and easily the best of the 3 movies so far. and another thing...poor love.

  • July 11, 2005, 11:48 p.m. CST


    by Unbirthday

    Yeah. I don&#39;t get those photos in the "Potterverse." Okay, so every photo is animated. Fine. Why then do the cameramen use flashbulbs? It only brightens the image for a second, and the animation continues way longer than that. In GoF, the animated photo starts BEFORE the flash and continues after. Makes no sense. Why not use a flashlight or something? This really bugs me.

  • July 11, 2005, 11:51 p.m. CST

    once and for all...

    by zeynie

    So here it goes. I&#39;ll be writing fast so dont mind the typos and such. I am a huge fan of HP and honestly, I was a hater until I saw the 1st film when it was on tv. The following xmas, my little sister gave me the books as a present and I&#39;ve been hooked since. I understand that you can&#39;t fit every detail of a book into an adaptation, but thats the bets part of this series. It&#39;s not just some book that they decided to use as a backdrop for a movie, but rather a movie they wanted to make to physically capture the books. I thought that Chris Columbus did a phenomenal job with the 1st 2 movies and i was veryupset that he was not the director of the 3rd. The 1st 2 really captured the qualities and characteristics of the characters and helped non HP readers know what was going on with lots of details, where as the 3rd, well, was a huge dissapointment. The 3rd movie, granted was a decent enough film, did nothing for the book. You can&#39;t move buildings, and trees from where they were in the 1st 2 and expect people not to notice. I mean, there was a lot missing in this movie that was what I thought important in the 3rd book. I dont want to hear the same old crap about boo hoo it is too long, this nad that.. First off.. the 3rd movie is the longest book in the series at that time, yet it is the shortest movie. I persnnally dont care how long a movie is if it is good. Look at LOTR, those dumb ass movies were like 3 days long a piece and everyone still sat through them.. AND THEY ONLY END TO START ANOTHER PART.. you&#39;re left not knowing what the hell is going on.. (obviously I was not a reader of the books). True HP fans would not care how long the movies are as long as they stay true to the books. In my humble opinion, I would rather have Columbus&#39; style with Cuaron&#39;s more mature take.. (as the kids grow up) I am very eager to see how this movie turns out and i&#39;m like a little kid when they do approach.. (i&#39;ll be 24 on Friday, feel free to send presents) All in all, I hope they fix whatever problems you guys have touched on, but most importantly, the rest of the movies from here on out, stay true to the books no matter how long they may be. If I forgot anything, don&#39;t worry I&#39;ll be back to vent.

  • July 11, 2005, 11:56 p.m. CST


    by HPfreak

    If the Director is worried about the length of the movie, i think that they should do what Peter Jackson did. When he made LOTR: ROTK, he had to make the movie as long as he needed to make it as close to the book as possible. And THEN... he went back and made it longer AND added more scenes by making an EXTENDED VERSION! i think that they should have dont that OR they should make it 2 movies! i mean... that wouldn&#39;t hurt... but i guess they cant do that because they have already made the movie. BUT they could do it when it comes time to make the movie of OotP!

  • July 12, 2005, 12:32 a.m. CST

    by Baseballbabe122

    I was really looking forward to this I&#39;m dreading it...the first two movies were a complete JOKE and the third one strayed away from the book. From the reviews I&#39;ve read, including these two, thie fourth movie is going to be nothing short of horrible. LOTR was so freaking long I had to split it up into two parts to watch...and you&#39;re telling me they only give the HP movie 2.5 hours? That&#39;s Bullshit if you ask me, but whatever.

  • July 12, 2005, 12:44 a.m. CST

    Wanna know how the series will really end?

    by loodabagel

    Because I&#39;m really J.K. Rowling. This gives up a few plot details from past books and I&#39;m not going to bother to outline them all so here&#39;s a forewarning right now. Remember how Harry found out what a jerk his dad was is book 5? Well in 6 he discovers that his parents were really working for Voldermort. Harry joins Voldermort. Quite a shame since he and Cho were starting to repair their damaged relationship. Obviously, Cho abandons the crazy bastard when he joins Voldermort. Together, Harry and Voldermort kill Dumbledore. They release even more crazy monsters from the school who proceed to tear it apart, eating the new defense against the dark arts teacher too. Snape&#39;s arm with the magic tatoo starts to cause him severe pain so he is forced to amputate. With students fleeing the school and still not having the job he wants (plus a missing arm) Snape remains as bitter as ever. Soon the school is in a state of complete dissaray. No Dumbledore. Half the teachers missing. Many presumed dead. Students remain at the school only because it is a relatively safe place for them. The Half Blood prince is Colin Creevy. A prophecy in the department of mysteries foretold that he is a powerful wizard who posesses abilities rarely anyone else has. Colin can raise the dead, is impervious to the killing curse and can read and control other people&#39;s minds. Unforunately, he is killed by Harry before he can master his abilites. Ron and Hermoine do not hook up. Hermoine does go into hiding because Voldermort takes power and vows to kill all mudbloods. She reunites with Viktor Krum. They (and Hagrid) travel across Europe and form a sort of mythical creatures army to do battle with the forces of evil. Neville becomes quite the potions expert and starts taking lots of polyjuice to spy on Malfoy, now a Death Eater in training. What becomes of the Dursleys? Who knows. They flee London when Voldermort makes wizardry public. His army no longer worries about remaining secret. With Voldermort in charge, the Ministry of Magic is in shambles. The Weasleys (surprisingly) take it into their hands to relocate the ministry to a secret new location. Mr Weasley becomes the head of the ministry. At the end of the book(7), Harry tries to ressurect Sirius with his new dark magic, But Ron and Cho Chang show up. They try to talk some sense into Harry. Eventually Malfoy and some order of the Pheonix guys show up too and they all kill each other Reservoir Dogs style with only Cho escaping to fight another day. Cho kills Voldermort with a gun. (A touch of poetic justice.) Is peace restored? Somewhat. Victor and Hermoine reemerge. Cho mourns Harry. Neville has become permanently transfigured from taking too much polyjuice. But it was not in vain. He managed to stop the Death eaters final attack on London. Hogwarts is rebuilt. The 4 houses are no more. Wizards and witches need to learn to live together. Snape appoints himself the position of Defense Against the Dark Arts Teacher.

  • July 12, 2005, 12:54 a.m. CST

    zeynie (and others making the same argument)

    by zidewinder

    Anyone who argues that Chris Columbus did a better job directing the first two movies that Alsonso Cuaron did with the third is either around eight years old, a clueless moron, or blinded by fanboyism. The third movie was not without flaws (it was far, far too short to accomodate the book&#39;s plot), but its improvements over Columbus&#39; work are enormous. The Columbus fims were designed solely for kids under the age of ten. Much of the humor fromt he books was changed to be more blatantly obvious and as a result less funny. For example, the book&#39;s "Now I&#39;m going to bed before either of you gets us killed--or worse, expelled." had Ron&#39;s comment "She needs to sort out her priorities." tacked on. Yeah, thanks Chris, we were way too dumb to understand that joke before, due to the fact that we&#39;re all preteens. Oh, wait... I mean that&#39;s just a small example, but the entire movie was that way. By the way, when I say &#39;fanboyism&#39;, I&#39;m not criticizing people who are &#39;fans&#39; of the books. You&#39;d be hard pressed to find a bigger fan of the books than myself; I even run a moderately successful Harry Potter forum ( Fanboys are more like unconditional fans; they slavishly praise anything with the Potter logo slapped on to it, unless of course the makers of it do something as blasphemous as rearanging scenes to better fit the movie medium. Anyway sorry if I&#39;m rambling, I need to get some sleep...

  • July 12, 2005, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Toni Colette for Umbridge

    by Dannychico

    But the fatty version, like in Muriel&#39;s Wedding.

  • July 12, 2005, 3:12 a.m. CST

    your full of SHIT (loodabagel)

    by HPfreak

    NUMBER 1: if you were the REAL Rowling... you wouldn&#39;t just go out and say things like that. NUMBER 2: Your kinda copying ROTS by saying that Harry resurected Cho! So you need to just shut the FUCK up! lol j/p!

  • July 12, 2005, 4:08 a.m. CST

    Harry will learn that Voldemort IS Micheal Jackson, and the scar

    by krullboy

    Ron will re-invent the glam rock movement with help from Gary Glitter, and will make "Velvet Goldmine" required reading for all bouy 11-14. Hermione will move to Switzerland and will join the Raelian cult, using her powers to whip up clones in the Raelian conspiracy to supplant the Illuminati as the rulers of the world. And Fred Savage will have a cameo as a magical monkey, brought to the British Isles in 1588 with the doomed Spanish Armada.

  • July 12, 2005, 5:45 a.m. CST

    I would love to see that magical monkey krullboy...

    by Colonel_Blimp

    PoA is the best of the potter films. Just reread the book a few days ago, and nothing important is missing from the film. The first time I saw it, I too was dissapointed all the exposition on padfoot, prongs etc. was missing, but it really isn&#39;t necessary to the plot, it&#39;s just fleshing out supporting characters. While I&#39;m all for fleshing out characters, I much more appreciate a tightly plotted movie. The movie doesn&#39;t contradict the book, it&#39;s just tighter, and more movie-like. Face it, adding that exposition would severly damage the pacing of the third act. It hasn&#39;t got anything to do with the length of the movie, it has to do with dramaturgy. If you want the backstory, read the book. The movie is excellent. Apart from a few plotholes that is. Just a thought: maybe the "lumos" spell isn&#39;t illegal? In GoF (the novel) Hermione uses it in the forest after the quidditch world cup. So even JK breaks her own rules (unless that particular spell is allowed that is). Finally (I&#39;ve mentioned it before, but I&#39;ll say it again), I think the books would have benefited best as a long tv-series. the novels are episodic in structure, and a series would also give the story and characters time to breathe. just my opinion..

  • July 12, 2005, 8:33 a.m. CST

    A 10 year old can see what is wrong with POA

    by ROBE

    Cuaron was hired to do year 3 of a 7 part series, instead he seemed to think he was doing a Batman Begins style reboot. The original movie script explained about why Harry&#39;s patronus took the shape it did, but Cuaron left it out. So don&#39;t blame the writer. Cuaron appeals to art house snobs and movie critics, not however to the public. If a future director starts reimagining everything that Cuaron designed in POA, his Fan Club will be the first to moan their heads off. There was absolutely no justification for every single thing to be redesigned in POA, a director who was not an egomaniac would have been happy with interpreting the new people, places and creatures without pointlessly changing things we have already seen. People watched POA, didn&#39;t like his style and did not go back to see Azkaban as many times as the two Columbus movies. It as a result is the least successful of the three HP movies. Warner Bros cares about the money not what some snobby critic thinks. Where is your Great Alfonso, he left because he couldn&#39;t work in a series of movies?

  • July 12, 2005, 9:02 a.m. CST


    by DinoDeLaurentiis

    I think a you guys got a the guy Snape alla wrong... I think a that he&#39;s a supposed to be like a the, how you say? "disillusioned youth." In a the pensieve, we a see him as a the young man, with a the pimples anna the greasy hair anna stuff, anna he gets a picked on by a the supposed "cool crowd" eh? He obviously loves a the Lily, anna she even shows a little bit a compassion for a the poor guy. Lupin? He prolly loves her too... what&#39;s a not a to love, eh? No matter... Anyway, they a torture the guy a so much that he goes... "Goth"... anna goes to the Dark Side, like a so many teenagers do when a they looking for kindness, acceptance, compassion, anna understanding. Ahh, poor kids these days... It&#39;s kind a like a the Ben Fold&#39;s song when a he sing "everybody, they know, it hurts a to grow up" no? But a then, at some a point inna his a life, Dumbledore, he bring him back inna the fold, he show him the kindess, the compassion, the acceptance, anna the understanding. Snape, he a good guy, he just a got a lotta emotional baggage. Dino knows, he gonna redeem a himself before the tale, she is a finished. Alfonso, he a got it right inna the scene with a the Wolfman. Snape, you can a see the fear inna his face when he see the Wolfman, but a still, he throw himself inna front a the kids, arms outstretched a holding them a back. That a Snape, he&#39;s a the hero, that one... you just a wait... Dino has a the faith.

  • July 12, 2005, 9:03 a.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    Give it a fucking rest, will you? We don&#39;t like &#39;Prisoner of Azkaban&#39; better than the other two films because we&#39;re "arthouse snobs" who belong to some Fan Club for the Great Alfonso that you fucking made up. Have you ever considered people prefer HP3 because it&#39;s better? You&#39;re completely bonkers if you think that every single person in the world who liked the third movie the best did so because they were wowed by Cuaron&#39;s r

  • July 12, 2005, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Calm down, Ribbons.

    by SmarkJobber

    ROBE is just presenting his/her &#39;nth-annual anti-"PoA" harangue. You could say that ROBE is to "PoA" as Moviemack is to "Batman Begins," except without all of the badly written "humor" and general assholiness. ROBE nitpicks the Cuaron flick for moving the Whomping Willow, and etc. as if the fucking tree replanting derails the film off of the fuckin&#39; screen. Again, "PoA" is Rowling&#39;s favorite film thus far. If she can get over the Willow and the wardrobe and Hagrid&#39;s fucking hut moving a couple yards that-a-way, why can&#39;t you?

  • July 12, 2005, 9:50 a.m. CST

    TheBoomCamel & zidewinder

    by jetfire

    TheBoomCamel, I never said it had to exactly like the book. My biggest complaint is the Marauder

  • July 12, 2005, 10:10 a.m. CST

    All that flashback shit is probably my least favorite part

    by loodabagel

    Am I the only person who doesn&#39;t like that? Harry&#39;s parents were probably my least favorite part of the story. I always hated those prissy jerks. The scene in OotP where Harry discovers what a piece of shit his dad used to be. And must Harry always spend time mourning people he never knew? Every orphan in cinema always has to go and find their parents or cry themselves to sleep at night because they miss people thay never met. PoA was the best movie not because Cuaran is an artsy master, but because the first two were designed for 8 year old kids. And to HPfreak-I had Harry joining the dark side idea way before RotS came out, besides it&#39;s not like it&#39;s the most original idea ever. By the way when you critique my (obviously) fake story get the facts straight, asshole! Harry dies before he can ressurect Cho. He was trying to ressurect Sirius in the beginning.

  • July 12, 2005, 10:24 a.m. CST


    by blackthought

    is easily the best of the three movies...the first tow i always have hard times wading through and poa i have no problems keeping attention. it&#39;s just a far better movie even with what was cut out. i&#39;d rather have 7 cauron movies than columbus ones.

  • July 12, 2005, 10:31 a.m. CST

    ALL pay allegiance to the AUTHORITY!!!

    by cloudrider`

    you think harry potter is "dark" for children??? this recalls a parent i overheard saying that he&#39;s not taking his children to lion king, because it&#39;s so "violent". kid, kid... you want to know what dark is? harry potter being turned into a frog or whatever is NOT dark. DARK is the state a badguy would feel to be in when the said badguy fucked with APOLLO, and then MIDNIGHTER shows up for payback with a huge ass drill! DARK would be how you feel when you try to conquer the world and rid the planet of all its occupants, and then have to face off with six bastards of the AUTHORITY using the now empty earth as your boxing ring! DARK is what happens to you when APOLLO punch your face and turning it into tiny particles of scaterred meat and floating eyeballs. DARK is when you try to sneak a hillbilly supermonster into the AUTHORITY&#39;s headquarter and kill off all members of the team but leaving ONE alive! that&#39;s what DARK is. cameron, you hear me? drop alita and take on the AUTHORITY - the biggest coolest franchise to yet hit the big screen! ALL PAY ALLEGIANCE TO THE AUTHORITY!!! this has been yet another plug in unrelated TB to promote the AUTHORITY. keep going, nothing to see here.

  • July 12, 2005, 1:12 p.m. CST


    by zidewinder

    I know, I&#39;m not saying PoA is a great movie, just that it&#39;s better than the Columbus garbage. It&#39;s like, PoA is an almost okay film, and SS/PS and CoS were barf-inducing... I think PoA could have been a lot longer in order to incorporate things like the Marauder&#39;s Map backstory, and it definitely had its cheesy moments (the crying scene, omfg, *hurl hurl*). One little thing that bugged me in PoA was that I thought it was really stupid how they made Sirius&#39;s dog form act all pissed and bark at Harry in the beginning of the Knight Bus scene. First of all it wasn&#39;t like that in the book, and second, why the hell would Sirius be trying to scare the plop out of Harry? I&#39;m all for changing little things to make it a better film, but not if they contradict other parts of the plot. Anyway, about the first two books being for kids, and that causing the movies to be for kids... I admit they were written in a slightly less mature fashion, but they were _enjoyable_ to older readers, unlike the movies which were near-revolting to most older viewers.

  • July 12, 2005, 1:22 p.m. CST

    That&#39;s kind of funny

    by Daredevil

    The second reviewer went out of his way to mark "spoiler" before something about Ron being mad at Harry for one reason or another, but doesn&#39;t think twice about mentioning something about a confrontation with Voldemort who is played by Ralph Feinnes. Me, I could care less if something like that was spoiled for me, but seems to me that MIGHT be a tad bit more of a spoiler than Ron&#39;s emotional state. :)

  • July 12, 2005, 1:37 p.m. CST


    by MasterWhedon

    Sorry for the confusion. I only read bits and pieces of the shooting script and the house elves were not in any part I saw. I really just flipped around to see how the "big" moments were written, and I very much liked what I read. Now, as far as "Red Sun" goes... that one I&#39;ve read in its entirety.

  • July 12, 2005, 3:43 p.m. CST


    by blackthought

    the authority, that would be an interested film. who&#39;d play who? can they get bale for the midnighter?

  • July 12, 2005, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Another question Unbirthday

    by monkies

    Does the fight between Harry and Ron seem convicing (the acting I mean), and if you could can you describe some of it from the movie, thx!

  • July 12, 2005, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Harry&#39;s romanctic prospects

    by EponymousFry

    Someone was talking ealrier about Harry&#39;s prospects. I personally think he may end up with Luna. Crazy, I know but just a sneaking suspicion.

  • July 12, 2005, 11:35 p.m. CST

    DinoDeLaurentiis re:Snape

    by EponymousFry

    I completely agree witha you. Snape is a damaged goods and will come-a through for Harry in the end.

  • July 12, 2005, 11:46 p.m. CST


    by blackthought

    seems too chipper for me, it&#39;s like he was high on care bear love.

  • July 13, 2005, 12:48 a.m. CST


    by BuzzumFrog

    A wizard punk band? Filch dancing with his cat? How fuckin gay can you get?? I was actually looking foward to this movie until that statement. Plus, the kids are getting annoying.

  • July 13, 2005, 1:08 a.m. CST


    by zidewinder

    The "wizard punk band" would be the Weird Sisters from the Yule Ball scene (I&#39;m assuming you&#39;ve read the book, if not you won&#39;t know what I&#39;m talking about). I&#39;ll reserve judgement on that until I see it for myself... As for Filch dancing with his cat, I don&#39;t even understand how that&#39;s physically possible, but it does sound pretty stupid. =/

  • July 13, 2005, 2:55 a.m. CST

    bale is already batman. he cant be two superheroes at once now,

    by cloudrider`

    and frankly, i think bale is much too serious for midnighter. i really cant think of anyone now, but midnighter should channel the spirit of ash(of evil dead), the man with no name(from leone films), and jet li mixed in there. he needs to be played by a badass who can kill you just by looking at you.-------------this has been yet another attempt to hijack this TB into the AUTHORITY TB.

  • July 13, 2005, 7:34 a.m. CST


    by blackthought

    george bush as the midnigther? and well bale can play as many heroes or villains he sees fit too.

  • July 13, 2005, 2:17 p.m. CST


    by zidewinder

    Bush? I dunno... Would you really want someone who, instead of killing you by looking at you, makes you snigger by looking at you? ;)

  • July 13, 2005, 2:38 p.m. CST

    good point

    by blackthought

    how bout nick nolte?

  • July 13, 2005, 5:42 p.m. CST

    "The original movie script explained about why Harry&#39;s patro

    by minderbinder

    And I don&#39;t agree that a movie that&#39;s better directed, better looking, better FX and better acted means it&#39;s only for "art house snobs". I don&#39;t get the hate for Cuaron, there are plenty of problems with HP3, but they&#39;re mostly in the script (same as the first two). Blame Kloves, he&#39;s the one making the cuts and putting in the shitty new "jokes". And since when is someone who likes the movie somehow a Cuaron fanboy? I liked the direction because it was done well, not because it has a name director. I&#39;m bugged a little bit by the changes in continuity, but I much prefer how they are in the third (so does JKR) and wish they would have been that way in the first place, he&#39;s fixing things Columbus screwed up, making them much more LIKE THE BOOK. And it&#39;s a relatively small redesign, the only real changes from 1 and 2 are the locations of the whomping willow and hagrid&#39;s hut (which are actually much better, in the first movies they are right next to the castle, the books have them much further away). Also, blaming the directtor for a drop in box office is bullshit, there are a ton of factors that effect that, look at how well a shit movie like Fantastic Four is doing.

  • July 13, 2005, 6:42 p.m. CST


    by blackthought

    good points minderbinder

  • July 14, 2005, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Good review Horntail. Didn&#39;t I see "Serenit" with you?

    by ProzacMorris

    Aren&#39;t you sort of named after a planet?

  • July 14, 2005, 12:18 p.m. CST

    about the ages

    by jawaburger

    The actors are currently only about a year (that&#39;s one) older than the characters they are now playing. Just because you pervs want to have sex with emma watson, does not make her old enough. Have any of you watched any movies of tv recently. Actors are almost always way older than the characters they play. On Buffy, Charisma Carpenter was in her mid twenties playing a 17 year old. Shit, on Beverlyhills 90210, there was a 30 something playing a high school senior. At the rate they are making the HP movies, the actors will be about 3 years older than the characters they are playing when it is all said and done. That seems way less far of a stretch than almost every other situation of this kind.

  • July 14, 2005, 3:52 p.m. CST


    by blackthought

    the ages are fine.

  • July 14, 2005, 4:38 p.m. CST

    yes. i concur.

    by Colonel_Blimp

    michael j fox was about 40 when he did back to the future part 3, and he was supposed to be like 14 or something.

  • July 18, 2005, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Matter of opinions

    by chica

    Just read HBP. Don&#39;t really like it. Heart shattering at the end. Anyways . . . no hospital scenes in GOF???? WTF? That&#39;s like one of the climatic moments in the book. To me anyways. And I like both Cuaron&#39;s and Columbus&#39;s work, though I enjoyed Cuaron&#39;s better. I read POA seven times (and that&#39;s saying sumthin), and I enjoy the movie from front to end. Because movies and books are not the same thing, and I like how Cuaron interperted the HP world. The first two movies were &#39;okay&#39; though I fell asleep when I watched the first one o_O, a bit boring, but the second movie definitely improved and the third one took my breath away. But it all comes down to a matter of opinions really. And my opinion is that I like the 3rd movie very much, and the third book is my favorite book. Book my is me least, concerning Sirius anyway. And to the ppl who complained that changes were made, my advice is this . . . get a life, because changes are surely to be made when you&#39;re making a movie out of a book that&#39;s famous like HP. Ever read the &#39;Bourne&#39; series? The movie is different and a lotta changes were made, so does LOTR. Movies and books are two different worlds. I hope Newell does his best to pour his own ides into making the 4th movie. A bit dissapointed though that the hospital scenes are not gonna be in it, but meh, I&#39;ll still enjoy it!

  • July 19, 2005, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Still think Snape comes

    by Quin the Eskimo

    through in the end?

  • July 19, 2005, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Harry Potter

    by pygmypufflol

    By what the people are say the movie sounds really cool. I can&#39;t wait till the movie comes out. I am a real harry potter fan I have read all the book even the half blood prince. That book was awsome. I with I was one of the people who got to see the clip or movie spolier. That would have been cool. My comments pygmypufflol

  • July 19, 2005, 10:01 p.m. CST

    OOPS harry potter fix

    by pygmypufflol

    I met in line 5th line I ment to write wish.

  • July 29, 2005, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Best Film of 2005

    by Orphu of Io

    1. Downfall

  • Aug. 4, 2005, 9:35 p.m. CST

    by blackthought

    batman begins!

  • Aug. 6, 2005, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Chris Columbus

    by TheMuffins

    I personally think that Chris Columbus directed the better of the films and I wish that he would have returned for this one. Sadly, my hopes were diminished. Don&#39;t get me wrong, I thought PoA was good for what it was, but being a fan of the books, it wasn&#39;t as faithful as I would have liked. And it seems that this one will be the same. Maybe they&#39;ll consider Chris for OotP. I can only hope.