July 6, 2005, 9:01 a.m. CST
by Total Geekazoid
Can't wait to not watch!
July 6, 2005, 9:04 a.m. CST
I think it's a real shame that Fox gets shows like this and they die premature deaths while continuing to put crap on season after season. And why has Tim Minear publicly stated not to bother mounting a save the show campaign?
July 6, 2005, 9:17 a.m. CST
I'll miss the 8pm show because of Yoga class, but maybe I'll catch the 9pm show. If I remember, or care (yep, it's off the DVR schedule).
July 6, 2005, 9:24 a.m. CST
Also, who's that guy that Galactus Harry (Galarry? Halactus?) is eating?
July 6, 2005, 9:57 a.m. CST
...but it is at least in line with House and had it been saved for fall and aired after House it would have done very well. Both shows take standard formats, doctor and cop shows, and spice them up with great writing and interesting characters. If this show gets cancelled how am I going to get my Katie Finnernan fix???? Give her her own show already.
July 6, 2005, 10:01 a.m. CST
Heck, Web, Red, and Jayne were enough for me in this show. Dump the two leads and let 'em loose!
July 6, 2005, 10:28 a.m. CST
Not every great show gets off to an incredible start; see X-Files season 1 as one of the better examples. This show has great characters who have yet to have any chance to grow or show off their chemistry, and that is really what makes Minear's shows great. Give it time, once the episodic nature of the show gives way to something of an arc, I'm sure we'll see an improvement. I would have preferred if they concentrated more on the overreaching plot in these early episodes, but perhaps Minear is just trying different methods with his shows so Fox doesn't kill it right off. There are so many great names attached to this series that something great will eventually come about. Don't forget that Howard Gordon (of 24 fame) co-created this series. It's already different than anything Minear has done in the past, and I'd like to see how Minear and Gordon's talents mix together, not to mention the plethora of great writers they've acquired.
July 6, 2005, 10:53 a.m. CST
if Fox actually ran the entire 13 episode run of a show it ordered. Not like audiences actually want to finish an arc. And that Galactus animation is HI-larious. The first time I actually cracked up at Harry's animation. Looks like Avi Arad - after seeing Arad's 40 min interview on IESB, I can see why he's in it.
July 6, 2005, 11:13 a.m. CST
I hope they show the whole seasons worth of episodes at the very least...we all know its gonna be cancelled but its good for the summer audiences.
July 6, 2005, 11:46 a.m. CST
Although I wasn't THAT impressed with the first three epsiodes, the last one was amazing. And I'm confident that if it stayed on the air, this show would have several psychological copy-cats. Like CSI has spurned so many forensic copy-cats.
I feel like I am a battered wife and Herc is the abusive husband. "He really loves me, I swear. You just don't know him like I do." And tomorrow I will have another black eye. because I will watch this show. again. sigh.
July 6, 2005, 12:16 p.m. CST
by Darth Busey
...please stop pimping this show.
July 6, 2005, 12:46 p.m. CST
It's actually pretty damned good. Not great, but it has (had?) TONS of potential. The bit with Danny (Adam Baldwin)silently showing the kid the right way to handle a gun was a fine nugget of acting. I think from now on every show that Minear makes for Fox should have a definitive ending after 13 episodes. Because we all know the shows he makes will be cancelled and then brought to life on DVD, so he might as well create an entire 13 episode mini-series. Shit, if this is what Fox wants to do to their shows, he might as well use the 13 episode format to tell an entire story rather that delude himself into thinking it's going to not be cancelled. BTW, that's gotta be Arad that Harry/Galactus is eating. Remember when the producers of X-Men said that the fans and geek sites like AICN kept them honest and made them want to make a movie that was true to the source material? They get a couple of hits under their belt and now it's "Shut the hell up!" How soon they forget. Jerks.
July 6, 2005, 1:03 p.m. CST
It's not pretty darn good... it's actually pretty damn bad. I'm not saying that with time it wouldn't have gotten better... but so far it has sucked.
July 6, 2005, 1:29 p.m. CST
I was wondering if it was any good.
July 6, 2005, 1:50 p.m. CST
Enterprise-esque. At least with ENT you could justify it being in a lousy timeslot on a lousy network. But Inside has no excuse. FOX advertised it well, and in a summer with little competition for viewers it should be doing better--a lot better...of course, there's the dancing celebrities factor. We'll have to see how the 8pm show does tonight to determine whether or not it would do better if not against J. Peterman.
July 6, 2005, 1:58 p.m. CST
I'm a HUGE Whedon/Minear fan. I've watched all of the episodes thus far and, while they are very well constructed, they don't grab me in nearly the same way a Buffy or an Angel or a Firefly did. The show it good--potentially great--but the biggest problem I have is that it's somewhat predictable. There are twists and turns and clever moments, but if you've got an ear for structure and dialogue, you can clearly tell where the show's going. It should have more red herrings. Or, the second you find out something's a red herring, they should stab you through the heart. And PLEASE, let's not have Rebecca be the bait every week. There are signs of great life in this show. They just haven't bloomed yet.
July 6, 2005, 2:59 p.m. CST
Odd if it is in fact cancelled, as CNN.com has a write up on the show and it's premise today.
July 6, 2005, 3:17 p.m. CST
It's not it's fault or Fox's that the ratings are bad, it is up against the #1 show in America. That is some stiff competition. And obviously if summer audiences are running to something light and fluffy like Dancing With The Stars, they're not going to go after something dark and creepy like The Inside. Summer just wasn't a good idea, especially after That 70's Show which gets crap ratings when it's new, let alone repeats. Come to think of it, it is Fox's fault it gets crap ratings.
July 6, 2005, 5:47 p.m. CST
Those things are planned in advance, plain and simple...they might cancel it, they might use it for a last hurrah or whatever, but honestly it's not a stupid play at all, even though I don't like the show at all you can't fault them for being optimistic enough to plan a panel at one of the biggest conventions around.
July 6, 2005, 6:04 p.m. CST
that greedy dumbass Avi Arad.
July 6, 2005, 6:31 p.m. CST
I agree with the comparison to House. I don't love House or Inside, but they're both great compared to all the other shitty mystery shows on tv. It sucks that both shows have to follow the standard pattern that all mysteries follow, but the direction and characterization raises it far above the mediocre crap that shows like CSI and L&O spew every week.
July 6, 2005, 6:43 p.m. CST
did i miss something?
July 6, 2005, 6:56 p.m. CST
is how come the doctors don't realize the first three or four possibilities are always wrong?
July 6, 2005, 7:16 p.m. CST
Show just started but did you guys catch the Buffy shout out when Adam Baldwin wanted the onion flower Spike was always going on about. Good stuff, Tim made me laugh.
July 6, 2005, 7:17 p.m. CST
fox has done this several times already, so at this point they probably figure "if it doesn't do well on the ratings, we can always withhold 5 o 6 episodes and then sell the DVD with 'OMG 6 UNAIRED EPISODES LOL!!!11' and break even". I guess we'll have to wait until some international cable version of fox picks it up (like firefly and wonderfalls)
July 6, 2005, 8:05 p.m. CST
Ok, um, you guys realize that we're talking about different divisions, right? That tptb aren't going to let one division fall apart just to boost sales in another? Please tell me you're not that stupid.
July 6, 2005, 8:08 p.m. CST
Herc, I count on you for info on my favorite shows. A little more advance notice--so that I didn't miss a full hour of the show--might not have gone amiss.
July 6, 2005, 8:15 p.m. CST
Because all this chick seems to do is get kidnapped by the psycho till the other guys run and find her just in time. If she had a GPS up her pooper this show would only need to be about 7 minutes long.
July 6, 2005, 9:04 p.m. CST
by Charlemagne 2.0
I just couldn't take it anymore. This show gets more mindnumbingly dull and predictable with each scene in each episode. The chilling lack of common sense is, quite simply, offensive. Here Locke and Ryan are talking to the head of the prevention center not two feet away from several volunteers and Locke says good and loud that the operators' conversations are being recorded... and not a single one of the volunteers reacts? Not even a quick take while handling a call? Nothing screams "amateur" like scenes where people discuss things openly in a crowded room and no one in the crowd reacts. This creative team should frickin' know better. And, the scene where Rebecca is on the phone to the suicide hotline was so frickin' predictable that I called the outcome the second they began to show nothing but the back of her head during the entire call. The end of that scene - when she gets off the phone - was clearly meant to be impactful but all I could do was laugh. I didn't bother to finish the episode and I removed the next one from my Tivo queue.
July 6, 2005, 9:10 p.m. CST
by Bob of the Shire
Schwing, I'll catch it. Shame it's being cut, the story arc was just picking up too...
July 6, 2005, 9:11 p.m. CST
Do people get off on picking stuff apart like that? "Man, this is SOOO predictable." Dude, you should obviously be a writer. Please, move to Hollywood and treat us to what we want to see, because you obviously know Charlemagne 2.0. Please, more of your useless opinion... In fact, more of mine!
July 6, 2005, 9:20 p.m. CST
by The Outlander
Not only would it have been a much better show than "The Inside" it also would have been the perfect project for Tim Minear, Jane Espenson and David Fury.
July 6, 2005, 9:27 p.m. CST
And suddenly the show actually starts to feel like it could be something. Go figure. Who could've predicted that would happen except...well, ANYbody paying attention. I can't believe our Capture-pronefiler got kidnapped AGAIN in the first hour. And did anybody NOT see that 'twist' coming a mile away? Much better plotting in the second hour and, again, not having to suffer through parody-able exposition scenes with Rebecca and Web relieved a ton of clunkiness from the whole thing. Still far from great, and I still won't really miss it.
this show is better than 90% of the crap on the air. as usual FOX is too stupid to know what it has. I would rather have global frequency though
ReJeKt. son of a bitch stole my line.
July 6, 2005, 9:56 p.m. CST
damn....i forgot that i had my DVR set to only keep one episode...so it records the first...then immediately deletes it and records the second....oh well...i watched them when they aired....but i missed some of the first one because i was making tacos....oh well...i like where the shows heading...making her part of the group, focusing on other people, etc...too bad FOX is fucking stupid...
July 6, 2005, 9:58 p.m. CST
yes i know she already worked for them...but by being part of the group i mean finally hanging out with them on a personal basis and not being the outcast of the group...
July 6, 2005, 10:19 p.m. CST
by Charlemagne 2.0
"Do people get off on picking stuff apart like that? "Man, this is SOOO predictable." Dude, you should obviously be a writer. Please, move to Hollywood and treat us to what we want to see, because you obviously know Charlemagne 2.0. Please, more of your useless opinion... In fact, more of mine!"***************** Yeah, that's the spirit. DON'T defend the show with, you know, actual points relating to the mechanics of the craft. Instead, go with the personal insults because that tactic makes you appear so intelligent....... No one could possibly "get off" on pointing out that "stuff" (basic craftsmanship) because it's just so darn blatant.
July 6, 2005, 10:35 p.m. CST
Did Alvarez really deglove herself and cut off her own face like Locke theorized in the pilot or did she have assistance. Who stole the woman's heart with Billy Ray Pope in prison and why? Perhaps Web likes the cat and mouse game so much that he did it in order to get the killer released just so he could catch him again or kill him. I think we may have the Big Bad of the season.
July 6, 2005, 11:11 p.m. CST
I mean its not great either, but I am surprised how many people hate this show - but considering the talkbacks, maybe its not a surprise. I don't think Fox ever gave the show a real chance, hence, we'll be stuck with more and more of the crappy reality TV shows that are cheap to produce... Remember, this is the network that cancelled Family Guy and Futurama too...their execs hardly qualify as a "Brain Trust"
July 6, 2005, 11:22 p.m. CST
by Charlemagne 2.0
But, it's also the network that has given us 24 & Arrested Development. And stuck by them. The Inside just didn't catch fire because its failings outweighed - by far - its promise.
July 6, 2005, 11:35 p.m. CST
cancelling a show after 6 episodes seems a little quick to me... AD is going to have the same issues as Family Guy and Futurama-shows that avoided Fox's axe because of the small legion of fans; but it was only a temporary respite. Funny now that both are making comebacks... I though AR had its run cut to 18 this upcoming year? You know that Fox is sharpening its axe for AR too... 24 was a critical success that took a bit of time to build an audience, so I don't know if Fox really had to nuture it. Again, I am not saying the Inside is CSI, but it's a helluva lot better than watching Dancing with the Stars! ps Fox cancelled Wonderfalls too
July 7, 2005, 12:03 a.m. CST
same thing happened to me! oh well. :)
July 7, 2005, 12:43 a.m. CST
Although a Tim Minear fan, I'd have to say that the first episodes weren't good TV. They weren't bad TV, but they were not worth the praise Herc lavished upon them. But The Inside isn't a mediocre show, turns out it's just a slow starter. Locke starts to open up a little, the team congeals only to be ripped apart. Good TV happens. It's not at the level of Firefly yet, but it's getting there - too bad it's on FOX.
July 7, 2005, 12:46 a.m. CST
It's pretty clear the marine "stole the woman's heart with barry pope in prison." You may have missed it, but they said that he thought Pope should have gotten the death sentence, so he did this to get him released, so he could kill him. Webb is not the big bad, although he may have planted that evidence and paid off that informant.
July 7, 2005, 6:42 a.m. CST
I think they felt the pressure from the network to get on with the storyline of Peter Coyote's character's implied darkness. Unfortunately, the result is likely to be the culmination of the only compelling storyline the show had going for it. If the show had been given any serious consideration for story development, I don't think this would have turned up until season 2. It almost seems as if this show had been produced with an expiration date to it, perhaps this is the last series Minear is contracted to do with Fox?
July 7, 2005, 7:11 a.m. CST
Has anyone else tried to put their head around how a show like Prison Break is supposed to survive in the current climate at Fox? The whole premise to the show is that eventually there's going to be a prison break, but are people going to tune in week after week to a show when they instictively know that after the promised prison break, the show will pretty much be over? Will the series be an endless barrage of failed attempts at breaking out, or will every episode conclude with one small piece of the puzzle of how it will happen uncovered? If the show becomes popular, does that mean the writers will have to be coerced into dragging the storyline out beyond their intentions, eventually disenfranchising viewers when they don't get the prison break? Finally, even if someone were to break their brother out of death row and prove his innocence, wouldn't they just go back to jail in the end for the actual escape? It all just seems like a story that's counting on finding an audience that will stick with it in the long haul for the conclusion, but I just don't think the audience exists in this day and age to support it, at least not in the numbers Fox will like. My suggestion to the writers, keep a quick conclusion handy, because Fox isn't going to have the patience to ride it out.
July 7, 2005, 8:47 a.m. CST
They theorize Gary is killed and made to look guilty of the other murders because the real killer knows the FBI is closing in. Webb thinks one of the group figured out from Rebecca's story that she is FBI. Right then I asked "what about the crisis centre woman?" She knew the FBI was investigating her people. They knew that she knew they were FBI. If they thought the real killer was someone close to Gary who knew the FBI was closing in, she should have been their first suspect.
July 7, 2005, 8:52 a.m. CST
by Charlemagne 2.0
"The whole premise to the show is that eventually there's going to be a prison break, but are people going to tune in week after week to a show when they instictively know that after the promised prison break, the show will pretty much be over?" ************************ If it were me - assuming that the first season is all about nothing but the prison break - and the show got re-newed, I would simply shift gears and turn it into something like The Fugitive. That would be good for at least another season worth of episodes. Maybe two.
July 7, 2005, 8:54 a.m. CST
by Charlemagne 2.0
TNT868 beat me to the punch.
July 7, 2005, 9:20 a.m. CST
Too bad. This show's got some serious momentum going. Less Locke and more Webb could be a recipe for a great show. Er ... could have been.
July 7, 2005, 10:46 a.m. CST
In the 8 o'clock hour, the show finished FIFTH--so much for blaming Dancing with the Stars. Still finished fourth in the 9 o'clock hour with similar ratings. And don't try to blame news of the cancellation: there hasn't been any publicized news...here's the killer number: Fox is down 36% since the same night last year. (All data from Marc Berman's Insider at mediaweek.com)
July 7, 2005, 11:01 a.m. CST
I should have figured someone already came up with that. Great minds think alike?
July 7, 2005, 11:14 a.m. CST
if it had aired after House. But now I guess we will never know. So why do audiences stay away? Poor promotion from Fox? Bad timeslot? The title? I think part of the problem is the title. If I were looking in the TV guide and saw a show called "The Inside" my first reaction would be to think it is a news magazine. What does the title mean? The inside of what?
July 7, 2005, 12:02 p.m. CST
Last nights two episodes really bring to light the mysteries of the characters of this show. Why does Agent Locke seem so stiff? They all but revealed her secret in the first episode...she has lost her sense of fear. (One wonders if they borrowed the premise from the cancelled and never aired Rachael Leigh Cook premise.) The second episode revealed a secret about Webster's meddling in a case, and next week we will apparently learn his deep secret. On the verge of cancellation just as it is getting interesting.
July 7, 2005, 2:41 p.m. CST
July 7, 2005, 3 p.m. CST
by The Heathen
I only caught the last few minutes of the first episode, just in time to see the tense and pretty graphic wrist cutting by the former bug hunting marine. Thanks for the Maxim link btw - nice.
July 7, 2005, 3:35 p.m. CST
I will watch prison break knowing that it may only last a season and then run out of plot. I like the idea of a 13-22 hour movie (minus commercials). If it's good though, it might suck then I won't watch. Shows like 24 and potentially prison break where you know there is a beginning and an end to every season are kind of neat I think. Far better than where every single episode has a beginning and an end. So many show these days end up going in directions I don't want though, John Doe looked like it might become a crazy conspiracy sci-fi show, but then it kept on degenerating to detective crap, with yawn inducing single character weak plot continuing relationship type crap. I wanted it to me aliens using time maachines :) Wonderfalls started as a pretty interesting power from behind concept, then degenerated into a love story, but showed promise in such episodes as Totem Mole that there may be a darkness involved in it all, like Angel, but then it just again degenerated into girl meets boy, loses boy, gets boy back which forced the power from beyond thing into the background. Any show where the whole season keeps you guessing is definetly worth tuning in. However when the situations are over the top made for suspense and getting reactions it's stupid, like 24, I stopped watching sometime early in season 3, like 2 or 3 episodes in.
wow. that was vasquez wasn't it. damnit. she used to be kind of hot. nichols on the other hand, is still very hot. danka maxsterling
July 8, 2005, 3:55 a.m. CST
Anyone still think she isnt that hot lol , also did you see her in that bathtub last night? The girl is pretty nice looking..also for the rube who said so much for the dancing show affecting The Insides ratings , at 8pm they showed a repeat of a previous episode of that dancing show so ya it is affecting the ratings but to be honest this show is a 10 pm show , they should have advertised it like they did Medium and put it on at 10 pm were it would have way less reality tv to deal with and a more mature audience around to watch it..might have helped a bit but who knows.
July 8, 2005, 7:16 a.m. CST
Yes, there was a rerun of the Dancing show at 8pm. A rerun...but Inside finished FIFTH. You can't blame the dancing show for it finishing fifth.
July 8, 2005, 8:09 a.m. CST
by The Heathen
their News starts at 10 pm doesn't it? But I do agree that it would be better suited later.
July 8, 2005, 8:42 a.m. CST
I agree , it has nothing to do with it finishing 5th..But you have to admit that if that dancing show wasn't on at the same time since this show started it probably would have had a bigger audience and may have been able to hold onto some of those viewers. It doesn't matter though , like someone else said there are so many of these shows on tv now that for a show like this to do well it better bring something really different and a top notch cast to be able to stay on tv. And while I like this show , it isnt CSI.
July 8, 2005, 8:56 a.m. CST
CSI sucks my balls.
July 8, 2005, 11:07 a.m. CST
This talkback will be gone soon, but I wanted to put my two cents in. This show keeps getting better and better. Rebecca and Paul's interaction in the suicide episode was excellent - how he wants to save her even if he has to create someone to save. And the stuff with Web for next week? Wow - I didn't think they'd go there so soon. People complain about the whole bait issue, but I think it's intentional - they're doing something with Rebecca's character. Minear said he cares less about plot-twisty things and more about what the story says about the characters. I really hope they let this show finish.
July 8, 2005, 2:57 p.m. CST
by Quin the Eskimo
would have been saved if they put there head on straight and finally went with three hours of prime time?
July 8, 2005, 5:40 p.m. CST
For some reason I think we are getting hoodwinked into thinking web is the next episodes serial killer. I think he is out there doing something but in the end there will be a twist lol :)
July 10, 2005, 4:03 p.m. CST