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Hey folks, Harry here - amazing how quickly Steven turns things around. Spielberg's already knee-deep in shooting his MUNICH film called VENGEANCE - which was pretty much the pivotal moment in the chain of events that lead to modern terrorism. Great material for a great filmmaker. Here ya go...

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  • I'm not seeing. Thanks anyway!

  • July 6, 2005, 3:08 a.m. CST

    First?

    by BankyEdwards2309

    Am I so sad as to be now one of 'the first club' help I need a life

  • July 6, 2005, 3:08 a.m. CST

    cgi that motha

    by rivercb

    will he replace the guns with walkie talkies? or will they call them love bombs and fill them will candy? steven's getting serious on us again, has it been a decade already...

  • July 6, 2005, 3:08 a.m. CST

    Don't waste valuable seconds... let me sum up:

    by Heckles

    Erica Bana sitting down. Spielberg standing. The two talking. The end.

  • July 6, 2005, 3:12 a.m. CST

    if george lucas was doing movies at the same rate as spielberg d

    by bauhausen

    we would be having star wars 26 by now or indy 11. wouldnt that be hilarious? give us a break, sp.

  • July 6, 2005, 3:15 a.m. CST

    All I can say to the beginning of this talkback is...

    by Azlam Orlandu

    ...shush. Or would you rather I vomit? -Az

  • July 6, 2005, 3:16 a.m. CST

    George Lucas' Howard the Duck Goes to Hollywood

    by rivercb

    the prequels should all have "this took over three years to make" right before the film starts.

  • July 6, 2005, 4:07 a.m. CST

    Evil White Man

    by blind_llama

    Strangely enough the Alex Krychek figure is the only thing I've ever ordered from them. Coolest character!

  • July 6, 2005, 4:56 a.m. CST

    Eric Bana sportin' some HOT SEXY MUTTON CHOPS!!!!!!

    by ChickenGeorgeVII

    HOT AND SEXIE!!!!! WOOOOOO WOOOOO WOOOOO!!!!! PANT PANT PANT!!!! AND LOOKY IN THE BACKGROUND - THEM IS SOME FAST LOOKIN' VESPAS READY AND PRIMED FOR SOME FAST RACING THROUGH THE CITY STREETS!!!! MANOMANOMANOMANOMANOMAN THIS IS GONNA BE SOOOO SWEET!!!!!...And thus, grasping at straws! - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!

  • July 6, 2005, 5:27 a.m. CST

    Actually, there is some sad news:

    by moviemaniac-7

    http://tinyurl.com/d58ku (the magic of TinyURL.com --- doc)

  • July 6, 2005, 5:29 a.m. CST

    Damn, that link's a little bit long...

    by moviemaniac-7

    In short: Ernest Lehmann died.

  • July 6, 2005, 5:49 a.m. CST

    Who the hell is ernest lehmann?

    by therightclique

    and more importantly, who gives a crap? people die constantly. why tell everyone every time some random person dies. people care when important people die, and even that is mildly sick, but when some random screenwriter dies, who cares?

  • July 6, 2005, 6:25 a.m. CST

    Great recon work for the Jihad Johnnies in the house

    by classyfredblassy

    I am sure they are going over the pictures now, deciding what to blow up first. P.S. I don't think it is very nice to attack another religion's temple, do you? Oh well, it is not nearly as bad as dropping a Koran according to Dick Turbin. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/05/world/main706203.shtml

  • July 6, 2005, 6:26 a.m. CST

    Therightclique: "Who gives a crap? People dies constantly...when

    by Commando Cody

    Ok, short and sweet: One, WE care around here because this is a MOVIE oriented site. So naturally we're going to take a bit more interest around here regarding people who pass on who were actively engaged in filmmaking or who had a hand in bringing some of our favorite films to life. And two, he WASN'T some "random screenwriter." GET A SENSE OF FILM HISTORY or, at the very least, develop an ability to Google something before you make a lame ass comment like you. Ernest Lehmann was a screenwriting master. He was nominated for 5 Oscars, won a lifetime achievement award, and had even been President of the Screen Writers Guild. There was nothing "random" about his writing career. It was as 5 star as you can get. To his family, my condolences. To Ernest, thanks for giving us some of the greatest movie memories any of us could have asked for. NORTH BY NORTHWEST is still as good as a suspense thriller can get, and likewise THE SOUND OF MUSIC and WEST SIDE STORY are still films future musicals will always be measured against.

  • July 6, 2005, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Lull before the storm...

    by BurnHollywood

    Holy crap is this going to be one politically charged Talkback before long - you just wait.

  • July 6, 2005, 6:47 a.m. CST

    Short and sweet: Nice obit, Cody

    by moviemaniac-7

    And therightclique is a fucking moron.

  • July 6, 2005, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Who stretched the talkback?

    by Shan

    You know who you are.

  • July 6, 2005, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Steven Gerrard stays at Liverpool after all! Woo-hoo!

    by togmeister

    Oh sorry, wrong place. Guess i'd better comment on the article - how on Earth can Spielberg get this movie done in just 5 months? Even the notoriously quickly turned-around WOTW had 8 months between the start of principal photography and release. Stevie's crack pre-production schedule must really be something to behold. He must be the most efficient film-maker around at the moment (with the possible exception of Eastwood).

  • July 6, 2005, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Sorry, Shan

    by moviemaniac-7

    I did. I have to live with it. Something went wrong while pasting the link and clicking the POST button too soon.

  • July 6, 2005, 7:42 a.m. CST

    Is Indy gonna shoot this year or what?

    by performingmonkey

    If so, this will be Spielberg's most insane year since 1992 when he was doing Schindlers and JP. I like it when directors go all controversial, and this is what the Berg is doing with this movie. I just hope he has the balls to tell the real story and not give a fuck about what the suits think. You'd think Spielberg would be above the suits, right?

  • July 6, 2005, 7:49 a.m. CST

    I'm actually looking forward to this...

    by GrandMuffTarkin

    You know there's no "happily ever after" in this one, and I'm eager to see how Spielberg shows how the Germans botched the op at the airport. And of course, how the Isrealis cleaned house afterwards.

  • July 6, 2005, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Spielberg owns the suits

    by iamthomas

    ...that

  • July 6, 2005, 7:59 a.m. CST

    YEAH, WE GOT THE OLYMPICS!! SO ALL YOU FRENCH WANKERS CAN EAT TH

    by banthafodderUK

    THEN TOSS MY SALAD. (bit off topic, but never mind)

  • July 6, 2005, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Hope this is made as true to reality as possible....

    by banthafodderUK

    ...... I'd hate to see this story compromised by any political-correctness bollocks

  • Better start stocking up on the beer now.

  • July 6, 2005, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Big Jim - OK man, but only if you bring me the head of Barry Man

    by banthafodderUK

    We're gonna have us a Barry Manilow Olympics skull-keg party!!

  • July 6, 2005, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Speilberg won't have any trouble from Hollywood. He's a

    by Lezbo Milk

    Jewish dudes are pretty well set up in positions of power and influence in the entertainment industry. That's not a bad thing in my opinion. So don't be calling me a racist for stating the obvious. I think his major trouble could come from the Arab world. They have zero influence in Hollywood, but he may have to start worrying about some nutbag moron who's been told 70 some odd virgins are waiting to suck his stinky dick in heaven if he straps on some TNT and blows up the infidel jew Speilberg. That's what I'd be worried about. There seems to be a shitload of dumbass Arabs and a couple of really smart ones who've figured out how to talk the dumbass ones into blowing themselves to pieces. Now if Spielberg would just stick to movies where they show the USA getting the shit kicked out of it by aliens, he'd be fine.

  • July 6, 2005, 8:28 a.m. CST

    oh, it was you moviemaniac-7 ...

    by Shan

    I'll let it go this time then ... napalm68, if you're out there ... Thanks for giving me the name of the author of Quarantine (Greg Egan). I just knew it wasn't Greg Bear and it was starting to drive me up the wall. (Doubly shameful as I have a copy of the book - somewhere and he is Australian - well West Australian I think and I should know that) ...

  • July 6, 2005, 8:28 a.m. CST

    I agree with the first post

    by TheGinger Twit

    If Speilberg isn't doing aliens, monsters or working under Geroge Lucas than I'm just not going to waste my time

  • July 6, 2005, 8:31 a.m. CST

    But will it be better than SNORE OF THE WORLDS? That's has t

    by Negative Man

    ...which is still better than most movies that hit the silver screen. I mean, it didn't suck or blow...just sat there and bored me to tears. And DAMN! I HATED the main (lack of) characters! They were such cliched, one dimensional, cardboard, paint by numbers, dreadfully dull characters that I fear that Spielberg has lost the ability to even tell what a good script is. I hope that the short turn around on this flick doesn't hurt the movie...but his recent movies have been just this side of 'OK'.

  • July 6, 2005, 8:32 a.m. CST

    On the issue of balance ...

    by Shan

    They would have to include this incident in the film. Lillehammer affair From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. The Lillehammer affair refers to the murder by Mossad agents of a Moroccan waiter, Ahmed Bouchiki, in Lillehammer, Norway on July 21, 1973. The agents had been sent by Israel to assassinate Ali Hassan Salameh, the leader of the Black September Organization, a Palestinian group that carried out the 1972 Munich Olympics massacre. They mistook Bouchiki for their target and shot him repeatedly as he walked back from a cinema to his flat (apartment) with his pregnant wife. Two members of the assassination team were arrested the next day as they re-used a getaway car to go to the airport. After their interrogation the whole cell was arrested, incriminating documents and the keys to a network of safe houses were discovered. Of the seven Mossad agents who participated in the botched assassination (Michael Harari, Dan

  • July 6, 2005, 8:39 a.m. CST

    hollywood ending

    by themidnighter23

    so i guess the only way that spielberg can do a realistic ending is if the movie is based on a true story. ten bucks say the athletes live

  • July 6, 2005, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Spielbergs wearing PINK!!

    by grendelson138

    HA HA!!

  • July 6, 2005, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Anyone wanting some background info...

    by Shan

    Watch "One Day in September" and read the book by the same name which also has a section on the "Wrath of God" operation which presumably this movie will be depicting.

  • July 6, 2005, 9:04 a.m. CST

    so, wait. it's about the olympics? snore-a-palooza.

    by HypeEndsHere

  • July 6, 2005, 9:06 a.m. CST

    We AIN'T got the Fucking Olympics have we...?

    by Cpt Kirks 2pay

    Oh God, that's really pissed me off. How bad will it be trying to get around on the London Underground now? Oh, and as if the tourists will be able to find the flipping' stadium with all that bollox of a spaghetti turd of The London Underground. If anyone asks me for directions, I'll just point 'em in the way of Heathrow Airport, whilst every other complicated fuck in London tells them to take 4 lefts at every alleyway of a London street. "Oh, don't worry 2Pay, there'll be loads of European chicks for you to shag", yeah bollox, last time I kissed a girl, was when I was still trying to scroundge 5 quid from my Mum to go to my local fun fair - and the girl was fat - and when she opened her mouth wide, when her dog started licking her face when I was round there, she said at least he was a better kisser than me. But that sexual superiority condemning my sexual incompetence - TUUURNS MEE OOOOON!!!!

  • July 6, 2005, 9:21 a.m. CST

    70's..

    by nolan bautista

    ..look rules!! Check out that long-sleeved shirt! Banas'hair style!..porn hair! 70's style! 70's porn!..dirty feet!..big,black nipples!..heavy blue eye-shadow!..orgy scenes w/ ugly participants in the background!!..im whackin' off thinkin' about it..aicn posters..lets masturbate together!! C'mon..c'mon (w/weird echo effect)

  • July 6, 2005, 9:53 a.m. CST

    really makes you think....

    by smackfu

    The only way I would see this film is if the Bana character was being played by Woody Allen... 70's, jews and arabs? One thing is for sure, if speilberg is trying to make this film as realistic as possible, it may have the largest moustache count in the history of cinema...

  • July 6, 2005, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Looks like the set of some 70's porn movie...

    by BNITT

    Is Ron Jeremy in this too?

  • July 6, 2005, 10:20 a.m. CST

    ZzzzZZZzzzzZZZzzzZZZz.... ZZZz... Snore...

    by Judge Doom

    Wake me up when he start shooting Indy 4. Or Jaws Begins. Or anything remotely interesting!

  • July 6, 2005, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Don't care.Have lost all faith in Spielberg

    by The True Priapic

  • July 6, 2005, 10:34 a.m. CST

    spielberg, we love you. but please take things slower. we dont n

    by cloudrider`

    i rather we have one great spielberg film every once in a blue moon, than have one hacked ass rushed job every year.

  • July 6, 2005, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Let Stevie film! Film Stevie, film like the wind!!!!

    by The Ghost of Marcus Brody

    as long as Indy 4 is in his horizon, I'll keep watching.

  • July 6, 2005, 11:43 a.m. CST

    AICN - Alot of Ignorant Conservative Noise

    by bushsux

    Who'd a thunk that those two million assholes who voted for Ralph Nader in 2000 instead of Gore would have been responsible for so much damage to the world? Let's see, the new dumbfounded administration ignored warnings and memos saying tettorists were learning to fly planes in American flight schools and we got 9/11. Then they try to use 9/11 as an excuse to invade Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with it and was not a threat, and actually succeeded! Well, they succeeded in starting the war at least, ending it, now that's another enchillada. Then these republicans turn economic growth into a recession, a $260 Billion budget surplus into a $430 Billion budget deficit. Lead 1,740 US servicemen to their deaths in Iraq and are now on the brink of replacing Sandra Day O'Connor with some far right religious nutjob who will help the religious nutjobs ban abortion and women's rights. I know Bush wants to nominate a moderate now but if he does he risks alienating him and his party's pro-life base. Smalldickmcgee and the rest of these idiot republicans will never stop being republicans, no matter how bad they run this country into the ground.

  • July 6, 2005, 11:45 a.m. CST

    nolan bautista

    by DinoDeLaurentiis

    What a you saying? Masturbate alla together? What inna the hell kinda talk-a-back is this? Nobody touch a Dino's peepee. NOBODY! Goddamn film geeks with a your crazy 70s a porno. You touch a me, I gut you like a the Kong snake. This movie, she a gonna be a serious! No talkin' about a the peepees.

  • July 6, 2005, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Huh? I thought "modern" terrorism started...

    by morGoth

    ...when Zionist terrorist blew up the King David Hotel, in Palestine, killing the British officers wives and children quartered there (setting the stage for the Balfour Declaration). Pity the later Palestinians (or whatever they're called) think that history could repeat itself. Hmmm...not to thrilled about this so I'll skip it.

  • July 6, 2005, 12:11 p.m. CST

    AICN Conservative?

    by mclennon

    Hey bushxux, you libs would be sad if you weren't so funny. I can just see you typing that post, all worked up, thinking you are actually saying something meaningful.

  • July 6, 2005, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Athletes die in first 15 minutes

    by Darth Busey

    This movie is about the Israeli hit team that was sent to assassinate various Palestinians in response to the athletes murder.

  • July 6, 2005, 12:16 p.m. CST

    PRIMUSMAN IS HERE..

    by PRIMUSMAN

    HI I AM A PRIMUSMAN...

  • July 6, 2005, 12:20 p.m. CST

    PRIMUSMAN IS NOT HERE...

    by PRIMUSMAN

    GOOD-BIE I AM A PRIMUSMAN...

  • July 6, 2005, 12:42 p.m. CST

    I said it before...so lets say it again

    by sith-vol

    Little Stevie has to be one of the most overrated directors on the planet. I know once again this is going to get me in hot water with all the Spielberg Acolytes on the talkbacks but who gives a crap? Name just one director who can constantly produce overhyped peices of shite and still be considered a freakin genius. (And please don't start shouting Lucas for christsake cause we have all heard it and I'm here to tell you that his overhyped crap comes out like once every 20 years in six year spans and that in no way, shape, or form is close to the crap factory that is Spielberg). Also, before the acolytes and cultisits start saying what about this, what about that. I'll just say this: Jaws, E.T., Schindler's List, about 1/4 of Jurassic Park were very good, but even a blind squirrel finds a nut if he pokes around long enough. In closing I know all the little Stevie fans will talk about this film and praise his brilliance and debate the political aspects behind this project, while those of us who have stopped sucking the swill that is produced at the Altar of Spielberg will be happy watching something else. Now let the insults about my person, family, mother and sexual-orientation begin as that appears to be the width and breadth of most of the Speiberg Acolytes' intelligence on this site anyway. Thank you I'm here to help...please tip your waitress.

  • July 6, 2005, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Well put lynxpro

    by mclennon

  • July 6, 2005, 1:16 p.m. CST

    You gotta hear this....

    by sith-vol

    I just pulled this from IMDB (which at times is less than accurate) but I thought it was funny.--- According to the final box office tally, the documentary "March of the Penguins" earned $26,269 per screen versus $19,719 for War of the Worlds. To be sure, Penguins played on just 20 screens, just 0.5 percent of the 3,900 screens showing Worlds. But it should also be pointed out that Penguins cost only $8 million to make, just 4 percent of the estimated $185-million budget of Worlds.---Go Penguins!...funny stuff.

  • July 6, 2005, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Pics look good

    by Mafu

    I'm excited for "Munich" or "Vengeance" or whatever Spielberg's newest will be called. Eric Bana and Daniel Craig in a politically charged film about a Mossad black-ops assassination set in the early 1970s? I'm so there. This is the kind of film I've been waiting for Spielberg to direct for years. The cast also includes the talented and smoking hot Marie-Jos

  • July 6, 2005, 1:35 p.m. CST

    correction

    by m2298

    The King David Hotel was blown up in 1946, the Balfour Declaration was in way earlier in 1917. And there was plenty of terrorism prior to 1946 -- see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riots_in_Palestine_of_1929 I hope this is a different morGoth; the one that has posted here before was better informed than this.

  • July 6, 2005, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Re: knowthyself

    by Mafu

    You wrote, "Gee I wonder if this movie is going to end with a rainbow and people pooping smiles and unicorns just like all his other movies." I agree Spielberg prefers happy endings over bleak, disturbing endings, but I think you're overstating the case a bit. "Amistad," "Schindler's List," "Band of Brothers," as well as a few others all ended with either haunting images or less convincingly "happy" endings. Spielberg himself admitted he's an optimist, which is reflected in the bulk of his films. But then again, he delved into the darkest shit imaginable with "The Last Days" and other documentary films related to the Holocaust. In my opinion, he's not limited to smiles and rainbows.

  • July 6, 2005, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Hey knowthyself, why don't you START making movies, you neve

    by chickychow

    Some of you people are jokers, I swear... Either a guy makes too many movies (Spielberg) or not enough (Tarantino).

  • I'm glad Spielberg has returned to familiar waters, so to speak. Though unlike Jaws, this movie will focus not on the terrorizing force that is a great white shark, but the awesome killing machine that is the Mossad. Can't wait. http://images.somethingawful.com/inserts/articlepics/photoshop/10-03-03-nazi/SenatorIvy_JEWSsmall1.jpg

  • July 6, 2005, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Actually I like the Speilberg ending.....

    by ChickenGeorgeVII

    Nothing made SCHINDLER'S LIST better than the moment when all the singing elfish people dropped from the skies with their rainbow parachutes singing and shitting unicorns or when all the Germans showed up at the bridge at the end of SAVING PRIVATE RYAN to fart lilacs and kiss teddy bears....And thus, a no region DVD player pays off! - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!

  • July 6, 2005, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Nice going bushsux, you peanut-head

    by classyfredblassy

    At least try to segue from the topic of the discussion into your self-absorbed left-wing rants. Just like the rest of you self-centered Michael Moore-MoveOne.Hate mongers PS. Everyone knows Arfat was the grandfather of modern terrorism. I am sure that was comfort to him when he was dying from aids, as well as the billions he stoled from his people to keep them in slums and make himself rich.

  • July 6, 2005, 4 p.m. CST

    Looks awesome!

    by Proman1984

    Really looking forward to this one. And gotta love those 70's haircuts :) .

  • Now lynxpro, I don't know why you originally became a republican, maybe girls don't like you and you think this is your way to get back at them, maybe you don't like girls at all and you're a self-hating homosexual like Jeff Gannon/Guckert, or maybe you're just dumb. I don't care what the reason is. What I do know is that you and people like you are a liability to this country because you listen to Rush Limbaugh and all his wannabes (Hannity, O'Reilly, Coulter) and then you repeat the garbage, lies, half-truth and bad logic they use and then try to sound like you know sometihng. Yes, O'Connor was nominated by Reagan, all but two members of the Supreme Court have been nominated by republican presidents. That's a scary thing because right now there was a 5-4 split in favor of keeping abortion legal. Now with the pro-choice O'Connor retiring, that 5-4 split is in danger of going the other way. The threat to Roe V. Wade is real, more real than those Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, more real than those connections between Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden. I want the Republicans to ban abortion. Currently, only 49% of the country agrees with me. You ban abortion and well that number might just swell a bit. But Karl "I Outed a CIA Agent and Betrayed this Country" Rove knows this and will try to get another David Souter on the court, a guy who says he's conservative but in actuality is a liberal. If Rove stays out of jail long enough he just might succeed, only to see the republican party lose it's evangelical ant-abortion base. And by the way, since when was Clearance Thomas such a hero? I didn't know that sexually harassing women and putting your pubic hairs in someone else's soda made you special.

  • July 6, 2005, 4:57 p.m. CST

    And About Nader...

    by bushsux

    Your claim that the 2 million people who voted for Nader wouldn't have voted at all is, like everything else you said, a generaliszation that isn't true. Either that or you must be psychic and have a lot of time on your hands because you individually read the minds of 2 million people. Prior to this last election CNN did a poll that found that 66% of Nader voters would have voted for Gore, 25 % would have voted for Bush and the rest others. Now let's look at Florida because Gore already won the nationwide popular vote. Bush won the state by 538 votes. 98,000 Floridians voted for Nader. Let's take 66% of 98,000. That's roughly 65,000 more votes for Gore. Let's talk 25% of that 98,000 and tack it on to Bush's total. He gets roughly another 24,000 votes. Now, bare with me because I know you conservatives aren't very good at math (after all look at our deficit!), if Nader doesn't run Gore wins Florida and the electoral vote as well! You want to attack me for being off-topic, go ahead, it doesn't excuse you from being an ignorant hypocrite republican.

  • July 6, 2005, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the correction m2298.

    by morGoth

    It was that event that made the Brits decide to give it up in the Middle-east, once and for all (I mean, really, 30 years "pacifying" Mesopotamia (see: Iraq) should

  • July 6, 2005, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Ben Kingsley was gonna be in this...

    by Cpt Kirks 2pay

    ..Then 'cos SS farted around and made WOTW, his scheduling made him drop out. DAMN!! Why couldn't they sort something out and get him back in? Can't think of what character he was gonna play or what difference he would've made to the film though. Wonder if he'd have crappy 7-'s porn moustaches and hairdos like Bono Bana. Wonder id he'd have a top Porn name like him too.

  • July 6, 2005, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Wassat?

    by Odog

    oh yes, yes those pics look amazing, puts my soul in ecstasy....zzzzzz

  • Yeah, those bigots are fags. And you should try shorter sentences.

  • July 6, 2005, 6:31 p.m. CST

    d8cam, Yes 'Snore of the Worlds'. It was as entertaining

    by Negative Man

    Look out, Ray Ferrier! Watch out for that burning train, burning Humvee, that other burning Humvee, that giant propeller, falling car, flying car, shattering glass, growing fissure, Tri-pod head, Tri-pod leg, Tri-pod limb! Now save your little Princess! ...yawn... It was the movie I was looking forward to the most this Summer and it was a giant sleeping pill. With Spielberg's talent, we could of seen a movie on par with the 1953 film at the very least. But we actually got a movie sub-par to INDEPENDENCE DAY?!!! How does that happen? So far Batman Begins has been the best of the recent crop of movies and that was the one I was least interested in this Summer. It's like Spielberg has lost faith in creating interesting characters to move the audience through a movie. And with this new project, he HAS to connect the audience with the characters. If not, this will be another by the numbers anti-terrorist/action/drama that will rank up there with 1982's THE FINAL OPTION.

  • July 6, 2005, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Palestine / Israeli Conflict

    by HectorTesticulo

    After all of the acrimony and racism of the past discussion on this film, and given some of the comments posted already, I've decided... I will now refer to my nutsack as my "ball bag."

  • July 6, 2005, 6:55 p.m. CST

    I came for the hatred, I stayed for the ball bags.

    by adambalm

    Well said, Hector.

  • July 6, 2005, 7:48 p.m. CST

    To bushsux RE: Roe V. Wade

    by fyrie

    You do know that if Roe V. Wade is overturned, it doesn't make abortion illegal right? It would allow states to decide individually.

  • July 6, 2005, 8:13 p.m. CST

    bushsux ranting about past elections

    by classyfredblassy

    I will boil down for you in three words: TWO TIME LOSER! No need to rant and rave and go on and on, if nader, and gore, and if...shut the hell up, and get back to watching MTV music news or some gay japanese cartoon.

  • July 6, 2005, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Just for the record, War of the Worlds kicked all your asses

    by chickychow

    you know it did (okay, the epilogue was unbearably lame). It contained more awesomeness than Batman Begins and Episode 3 combined (two supposedly "dark" movies that WotW made look like fuckin cartoons... well, guess Ep 3 didn't need any help there)

  • July 6, 2005, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Just saw WOTW and Spielberg is still the fuckin' man!

    by Cash Bailey

    There's scenes in that movie that not another director on the planet could have pulled off.

  • July 7, 2005, 12:04 a.m. CST

    DITTO. Spielberg is the man.

    by Proman1984

    WotW ruled!

  • July 7, 2005, 12:53 a.m. CST

    Bushsux

    by Roger Thornhill

    I think the most unnerving thing about the Republican party is how it's moderate members are being shunned by the religious right. Could John McCain even get the nomination without inflamming the religious base of the party? Even Bush is taking heat from them for considering nominating Gonzales for the Supreme Court. And Bush is an evangelical! Remember the days when the Republican Party was the fiscally responsible party that detested when our nations was dragged into unnecessary wars? Times have changed. I don't even know what the Republican Party is now...but it's looking mighty scary. Too bad the Democrats can't figure out a message to combat them.

  • July 7, 2005, 1:49 a.m. CST

    supreme failures

    by redshirt

    Let's see, Supreme court makes it a hell of alot easier for local govt's to take personal property for "public use". Declares the police do NOT have a costitutional duty to protect people (case regarding a woman who had a restraining order against her ex husband, and the police refused to enforce it). And they totally punt the 10 commandments issue (sometimes ok to display, sometimes not, we'll decide). They are clueless. So many people worry about this nation becoming a theocracy, when the exact opposite is most likely, government destroying organized religion. How long before the laws making churches tax exempt are challenged? Clearly congress has made law respecting establishment of religion, and the tax breaks have the same net effect of granting huge sums of money to religious organizations. Those laws would fall in front of todays high court. Then what? How many churches would close their doors? And what about the people they take care of? I don't care if Roe Vs. Wade is overturned, that won't ban abortion, just send it back to the states, where the constitution says it belongs. We need justices who decide based on the constitution, not their own feelings, and those justices are overwhelmingly conservative, not liberal.

  • July 7, 2005, 4:42 a.m. CST

    Oh stop it!

    by Azlam Orlandu

    Seriously. All of you. Just stop for once. Please. Nobody cares. -Az

  • July 7, 2005, 6:22 a.m. CST

    Jewish Propoganda

    by Nabster

    I can't wait to see the cliched conflicted killers. Who must kill to protect their country, yet have human emotions. Why don't they make a movie about that Israeli army officer that pumped a 14 year old girls body with bullets. Or a movie about the Jewish settler that used an automatic rifle to kill over 30 palestinian while they were attending Friday prayers. Oh sorry I forgot. We are all racists, when an Arab is murdered it is barely mentioned. When a Jew is murdered the world stops.

  • July 7, 2005, 6:37 a.m. CST

    hey dino de laurentiis

    by nolan bautista

    ..i gotta your daughter,Rafaella,..she make touch pee-pee wida all the talkcabackers..she lika the spermoni!!

  • July 7, 2005, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Ban Darkfalz from the talkbacks

    by iamthomas

    I

  • July 7, 2005, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Napster

    by templar

    What about when a Palestinian shoots and kills a 3 month old baby with a high powered rifle. How about when Moslems blow up synagogues in Turkey. Oh by the way, for those of you who are still asleep. 7 massive terrorist attacks in London 7/07/2005

  • July 7, 2005, 10:15 a.m. CST

    This TalkBack...

    by OsamaBinBlofeld

  • July 7, 2005, 10:27 a.m. CST

    This TalkBack...

    by OsamaBinBlofeld

    ...is proof alone that fat balding forty year old virgins with greasy ponytails dangling along a South Park shirt they bought in 98 that no longer fits them, are Republicans. Yeah, yeah, sorry about the run on sentence. You guys are truly independent! You don't need gov't to help you out, thats why you have a mom. At your age why stop playing the X-BOX in her basement while eating the krispy Kreme she brings back from the grocer.

  • July 7, 2005, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Bombs in London

    by classyfredblassy

    They have already started blaming the "Jews". Rumors are flying around that Israeli secret service had prior knowledge of the attack. Here are the five stages of response from the Muslim world after one of these attacks: 1. Jump up and down in celebration, laughing and passing out candy, then hide when they see cameras. 2. Worry about the backlash against Muslims living in England, instead of the people who have been KILLED AND INJURED 3. Blame the Jews. How come more Jews weren't killed? They must have known. Its all a plot by Jews to turn people against Arab Muslims. 4. Blame the US policies. Never mind they were in the UK to discuss a HUGE aid package to Africa. That is an evil plot by the crusaders to infect the Muslims living there. 5. Later on, celebrate the Muslim terrorist who carried out the attack as heroes. And put their poster up in Muslim bedrooms like they are the Backstreet Boys or some other pop star..

  • July 7, 2005, 10:52 a.m. CST

    For those in London

    by Mafu

    On a non-movie related note, I want to extend my sympathies to those in London and throughout England dealing with the fallout from explosions. I read an article on cnn.com a few minutes ago, and I know things over there (I live near Boston) are tense and unstable. I'm sorry for anyone who lost friends or family members in the attacks. This will be a remembered as a dark day for England.

  • July 7, 2005, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Bombs in London

    by templar

    Didn't you hear classyfredblassy, In doubt "blame the Jews". Its a tried and tested technique thats been used for millenia by a bunch of rascist morons.

  • July 7, 2005, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Classyfred - you nailed it - except for one thing...

    by bigdickmcgee

    Blame the Jews is #1.

  • July 7, 2005, 11:25 a.m. CST

    by REDD

    "Kerry just turned out to be an even bigger deutschebag than Gore." Isn't it spelled douchebag? Is that the German spelling? Just curious.

  • July 7, 2005, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Two cents...

    by Mafu

    I don't like the tone this talkback is starting to take. Yes, there are many Muslims who will celebrate the explosions in London. But I guaratee you there are millions of Muslims around the world who won't celebrate and who will feel terrible for the deaths of innocent Londoners. My neighbors, for example, are practicing Muslims, and they felt terrible about the 9/11 attacks and I'm sure their reaction to 7/7 will be much the same. I just wanted to point this out.

  • July 7, 2005, 11:50 a.m. CST

    I agree Mafu except...

    by morGoth

    ...I doubt if we'll hear much condemnation from the Islamic world. The more moderate Islamist, y'know...the ones who DON'T believe in that 77 virgins fairy-tale shit, need to be more vocal and actually help track these bastards down. My sympathies to all in England at this hour.

  • July 7, 2005, noon CST

    Hey Lando...

    by morGoth

    ...please explain to me how it is OK for a pregnant woman in Iraq, for example, to be killed by our troops (I know, accidental civilian casualties have that polite euphemism "collateral damage") but aborting a miniscule blob of tissue is somehow "murder?" I'm not even suggesting our troops would kill civvies on purpose, as a matter of routine, but aren't you right wing fundamentalist opposed to ANY tax dollars going towards "the murder of innocents?" I mean, if you truly feel that way then shouldn't you become pacifist, as "all" life is considered sacred? Please explain...

  • July 7, 2005, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Mafu and his muslim neighbors

    by classyfredblassy

    Dude, at some point, if they do indeed feel terrorism is wrong, there has to be some type of large movement to stop this shit from within. By within, I mean the muslim community. They can't blame people for reacting to the reality they see ever day. You would think they would be more offended by people killing in the name of their religion then some troops dropping a koran in front a terrorists. Time to put up or shut up...

  • July 7, 2005, 12:56 p.m. CST

    I'm posting this in multiple talkbacks.

    by TonyWilson

    Thank you for the words of support. I have 2 friends in hospital but thank god the injuries are not serious. All i want now is that these cowards are found. As for London and the UK we will bounce right back. The city has coped tremendously well, from the co-ordinated efforts of the emergency services to the kindness and support from the average person. I have never been so lucky to have a day off from work. As for terrabap whoever, you sicken me to the core. NO-ONE deserves what happened, except the perpetrators. And finally shame on anyway using this to attack muslims. You are slimy oppurtunists and nothing more. Thank you again to everyone else for the support. From a very lucky thankful Londoner.

  • July 7, 2005, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Re: classyfredblassy

    by Mafu

    You make some very good points, Fred. I agree there needs to be more condemnation of acts of terrorism from within the Muslim community, and maybe we'll see it soon, but I'm not going to blame all Muslims for the destruction a few loose-cannon fanatics perpetrate on the world, and I'm sure you won't either. I'm not simple minded about this issue. I hope English authorities apprehend the nutjob sadists who set off the bombs, but right now I'm more concerned with the lives of Londoners who're dealing with some serious bloody upheaval.

  • July 7, 2005, 1:32 p.m. CST

    learn from the American's mistakes

    by RJ MacReady

    OK i know after these latest attacks everyone is going to be on the rampage.I mean after sept 11th the US invaded iraq and started kicking ass and taking names right? And sure it makes everyone feel better knowing that people in iraq are dying and suffering just like americans did after 9/11. But what's the long term outcome to this? How hard is it going to be to recruit young kids in iraq to join terrorist groups now? If some country(lets say the US for example) invaded your country and killed your mother, father, and sister wouldn't you want to join a terrorist group to get some payback? The war in iraq isn't helping fight terrorism, it's just feeding it. The only way to stop it is to show these people in the middle east that the US, England, and other countries aren't bad. Give aid, help build schools, spend money on helping them not fighting them. Is a ten year old kid more likely to want to join a terrorist group set on killing americans if he sees schools and hospitals build by americans? or if he sees americans killing his family? Seems easy to me.

  • July 7, 2005, 1:43 p.m. CST

    RJ - you're assuming these terrorists are foreigners...

    by bigdickmcgee

    What happens if they turn out to be residents or citizens of the UK?

  • July 7, 2005, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Tony Wilson-God Bless England!

    by classyfredblassy

    You know Tony, every one in the US is behind England 100%. We won't let any disagreements about liberal vs conservatives get in the way. But know this, Americans would never thinking of bombing and killing citizens of England, so please let the g8 protesters and their ilk know they are fighting the wrong enemy. And there should be a discussion of Muslims and Islam as a result of this attack. When the group that claims responsibility says "followers of Islam Islam receive the glad tidings" after the attacks, you can not expect it not to come to the front of everyone's minds. IF the majority of muslims in England and the world are against this type of thing, it is responsibility to hunt those peoples down and stop them. THEIR responsibility! Because it is done in the name of THEIR Faith. You can expect people to ignore reality to be political correct. A good start would be kicking out those radical clerics in England that have called for these types of attacks....

  • July 7, 2005, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Classy, thank you.

    by TonyWilson

    We have lived with terrorism in our cities for longer then the US, but, still people are far more shocked and scared by this than the IRA bombings. I agree there should be a discussion of Islam because of this, there should also be a discussion of ID cards now and also why this happened. However, now is not the time. What we need to do is grieve and catch the bastards.****** "When the group that claims responsibility says "followers of Islam Islam receive the glad tidings" after the attacks, you can not expect it not to come to the front of everyone's minds. IF the majority of muslims in England and the world are against this type of thing, it is responsibility to hunt those peoples down and stop them. THEIR responsibility! Because it is done in the name of THEIR Faith." I see your point. Muslims are taking responsibility to an extent, and it can only be to an extent. The people who committed this act are not being hidden by the muslim community, The terrorist cells are small and keep themselves hidden from everyone. I agree we should get rid of the radical clerics (we have done that with Abu Hamza already). The majority of catholics and Irish are against the IRA but I dont see such voiceferous denouncement of them.

  • July 7, 2005, 2:13 p.m. CST

    good point bigdickmcgee

    by RJ MacReady

    You make a good point, i guess with my western thinking I seem to associate most terrorism with the middle east.Wrong to do. My sympathy goes out to all the victims of this tragic event. Peace

  • July 7, 2005, 2:37 p.m. CST

    R.J. "Join a terrorist group to get some payback"

    by classyfredblassy

    Well then we should see Iraqis going after all the suicide bombers from Syria and Yemen if that is case. Aren't those foreigners killing innocent people on their soil? And why was the World Trade Center Bombed in the early 90's? We were "occupying" any muslim country then. Why didn't anyone go and bomb Saddam's palaces? He had been terrorizing plenty of Muslim people....

  • July 7, 2005, 3:16 p.m. CST

    What was wrong with WOW?

    by Cabron

    I thought it was great.

  • July 7, 2005, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Nothing was wrong with WOW

    by d8cam

    People just didn't like the ending because they didn't get to see how a certain thing was possible, even though the whole movie took place through the eyes of Tom Cruise...not other people...

  • July 7, 2005, 4:14 p.m. CST

    my deepest sympathy and support

    by Colonel_Blimp

    to all those touched in some way by the terrorist attack in london today. also, there are some talkbackers here who should seriously try to see themselves from outside to get some perspective. there are posts here that normal, socially and morally functioning people would not post.

  • July 7, 2005, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Well too bad about the terrorist attacks in london

    by Johnno

    Got some family there, but I tihnk they're alright. Anyway 10 bucks says the UK will pass the national identity card or some patriot act of some kind. In this world I trust neither terrorists nor governments. Both amount to the same.

  • July 7, 2005, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Yeh I'm fairly certain we will have ID cards now.

    by TonyWilson

    God knows why though. How would they have prevented todays events?

  • July 7, 2005, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Islamic fundamentalism.

    by adambalm

    It's strange to see the blame on the muslim population here, just moments after I read this from Andrew Sullivan'd blog: (quote from Johann Hari) "Anybody who tells you these bombers are fighting for the rights of Muslims in Iraq, occupied Palestine or Chechnya should look at the places they chose to bomb. Aldgate? The poorest and most Muslim part of the country. Edgware Road? The centre of Muslim and Arab life in London and, arguably, Europe. Does anybody need greater evidence that these Islamic fundamentalists despise Muslims who choose to live in free societies, and they would enslave Muslims everywhere if they were given the opportunity? Nor is this tit-for-tat revenge for deaths in Iraq: very similar jihadist plots have been foiled in France and Germany, countries that opposed the invasion. Anybody who doubted that the fight against Islamic fundamentalism

  • July 7, 2005, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Adambalm, good quote mate.

    by TonyWilson

    Could you go and post that on the X-men3/Angel talkback? Vikingkitty is being a fucking arsehole again.

  • July 7, 2005, 5:17 p.m. CST

    I love Adambalms quote so much I'm going to cut and paste th

    by Aston Lad

    It's strange to see the blame on the muslim population here, just moments after I read this from Andrew Sullivan'd blog: (quote from Johann Hari) "Anybody who tells you these bombers are fighting for the rights of Muslims in Iraq, occupied Palestine or Chechnya should look at the places they chose to bomb. Aldgate? The poorest and most Muslim part of the country. Edgware Road? The centre of Muslim and Arab life in London and, arguably, Europe. Does anybody need greater evidence that these Islamic fundamentalists despise Muslims who choose to live in free societies, and they would enslave Muslims everywhere if they were given the opportunity? Nor is this tit-for-tat revenge for deaths in Iraq: very similar jihadist plots have been foiled in France and Germany, countries that opposed the invasion. Anybody who doubted that the fight against Islamic fundamentalism

  • July 7, 2005, 5:29 p.m. CST

    And to give credit to all moderate British muslims...

    by Aston Lad

    ...They've come out in condemnation of this attack through many of their representative organisations. The WHOLE of the UK is united in this, Christian and Muslim alike. The terrorists aren't going to alienate our minorities the way they think they will...

  • July 7, 2005, 5:39 p.m. CST

    "moderate British muslims"

    by classyfredblassy

    Yah yah yah. Talk is cheap. Let's see some action to help close down these cells. How about some volunteers? Help with translations? Plenty of non-muslims gave their time and money to help after the big tidal wave....let's ee the same for once.

  • July 7, 2005, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Questions for Classy

    by adambalm

    Okay, fair enough. I'm not trying to argue, but on the face of it, there's two problems that stick out in your post. 1) If muslims in said communities gave translations, turned in extremists they believed were involved, and otherwise aided the investigation and capture of those involved, do you honestly think we'd hear about it? Do you think they'd be dumb enough to expose their assets? Absense of evidence is not evidence of absense, although the logical positivist in me has sympathies with doing exactly that. But to me, because we can't know, we have to treat both as equal possibilities. And 2) What you're saying about the muslim population in Britain is exactly what some British critics were saying about the US over aid to the IRA. Because a few irish fucktards in Boston or wherever would send money to the IRA, alot of people in the UK would say we were supporters of terrorism, til it hit home in 2001. And you know what? To the outside observer it would look like just that. Where was the outspread condemnation in the US? Where were the petitions, the protest marches against them, our leaders condemning these atrocities? Despite the fact that there was never any kind of widespread support for the IRA in this country, we did none of the things that we're claiming muslims should do. You know why? Because the IRA just wasn't top of the list on every American's mind. And while your average muslim is (at the very least) irritated, pissed off, or creeped out by extremists, they have other shit to worry about like making sure their kid gets to and from school okay, putting food on the table, all the shit that only us civilized folk could possibly think about. It's odd because I'm not really a defender of religion by nature. There was a piece in the Guardian a while back that was probably the most important work of journalism I've read in the last five years, and I think if there's any time to remember it, it's after something like today's events. It said that with talk of the 'growing transatlantic divide', Europe and America moving further and further apart a generation after the threat of communism evaporated, we actually find ourselves once again with a common mission, a common purpose: A mutual defense of the Enlightenment. Religious zealotry is looking to be the plague of the 21st century, and you can't fight myopic religious absolutism with myopic religious absolutism. Chiraq said after 9/11, 'We're all Americans.' This article ended with the proclamation 'To put it another way, we are all Blue State Americans'. Man, am I gonna get flamed for that one.

  • July 7, 2005, 9:23 p.m. CST

    To most Americans The IRA british thing was closer to

    by JUSTICE41

    The Israeli, Palestinian thing. We only heard about it when something really horrific happened and not before and nothing after. There is a difference between you local Terrorists and Global Terrorism. We have to deal with wackos lobbing grenades at people at a funeral or some other wackjob blowing up Abortion Clinics. Every once in awhile the Wacko's get way out of hand and you Have Oklahoma and Waco. But they don't really involve either side of the ponds. But when a terrorist blows up and embassy or a warship or trainloads of people or busloads of people then they have stepped up to the Global Terrorist category. They could be Muslim, Hindhu, Budhist's, Christains, Catholics doesn't matter. Once they step out of their own playground into others it becomes serious business. It's as if your neighbor who' fights with his wife all the time kicks down or breaks down your wall during a fight. It wasn't your business before even though it should have been but now you can't ignore it.

  • July 7, 2005, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Answers for adambalm

    by classyfredblassy

    1) Yes we would hear about, maybe not in great detail, but they would let the Jihad Johnies know that they didn't have the support of John Q. Public Muslim in England. After all, if it is truely the terrorists that the minority in the muslim communities, that it is not under cover work at all for the moderates. 2) Please, please let's not compare to the IRA to global Islamic terrorists. I made this analogy before, its like comparing a local kids lemonade stand to Coca-Cola inc, in terms of manpower, scope, and the carnage the create, and the threat to Western Civilization in general. 3) I find it odd why hard core muslims would choose to live in the UK or US in the first place, since they are odds with almost everything their societies stand for. Unless they are here for another purpose. 4) And please lets not hear about a backlash. What is that? Some nasty glances in a subway? A longer search going into airplane? Wow, how awful. Now go move to a muslim country like Syria or Indonesia, and open up a christian, hindu or buddhist bookstore. See how long it and yourself last. PS. Chiraq is a tool.

  • July 7, 2005, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Answers for adambalm

    by classyfredblassy

    1) Yes we would hear about, maybe not in great detail, but they would let the Jihad Johnies know that they didn't have the support of John Q. Public Muslim in England. After all, if it is truely the terrorists that the minority in the muslim communities, that it is not under cover work at all for the moderates. 2) Please, please let's not compare to the IRA to global Islamic terrorists. I made this analogy before, its like comparing a local kids lemonade stand to Coca-Cola inc, in terms of manpower, scope, and the carnage the create, and the threat to Western Civilization in general. 3) I find it odd why hard core muslims would choose to live in the UK or US in the first place, since they are odds with almost everything their societies stand for. Unless they are here for another purpose. 4) And please lets not hear about a backlash. What is that? Some nasty glances in a subway? A longer search going into airplane? Wow, how awful. Now go move to a muslim country like Syria or Indonesia, and open up a christian, hindu or buddhist bookstore. See how long it and yourself last. PS. Chiraq is a tool.

  • July 8, 2005, 5:27 a.m. CST

    Classy

    by TonyWilson

    Moderate Muslim's are helping. We have been hearing about it all day and night on British TV. So many muslims have pledged support and help to catch these people. I know IRA terrorism is only "local" but it doesn't mean that, by your reasoning, Catholic people shouldn't be held up to the same scrutiny as muslim's. Also these attacks damage muslim's just as much as anyone else. They also promote hatred from far right groups such as the BNP, again this is what the perpetrators want. As for your point about why "hardcore" mulim's would want to live in the west, why do hardcore christians want to live in the US or UK or any country where church and state are divided. It seems like you are treating muslim's in a different way to other religions.

  • July 8, 2005, 6:38 a.m. CST

    Tony!Tony!Tony!

    by classyfredblassy

    I was raised christian (not hard core) and can tell you that they have no problem with: Women voting, Pop-Music (so long as it doesn't say Fuck every other word), Capitalism, Gambling, drinking alcohol now and then, and they also don't believe their religion should dominate others. Do they want to spread the "Word", sure, but there is no hatred of people who follow other religions. For example, christians charities make it a point to help any one who needs it, not just christians. When you see that bearded dude on tv asking you to give money to help starving children, do you even hear him mention that fact that they are Christians only interested in helping other Christians? Nope, that is not what they teach. For exxample, look at all the outpouring of aid and money from them to the tsunami victims, which were mainly muslim. Not I don't recall any of the rich arab states helping out mexico when they got slammed by an earthquake, or central america when thousands were killed in mud slides. Nope, Muslim charities only want to help other Muslims. That's it. Do me a favor at start watching for stories in the news to see who is helping who. Oh, and by the way, America was formed by people who values that are pretty much in line with Christians, not so with Islam.

  • July 8, 2005, 7:17 a.m. CST

    Classy, I wasn't ragging on Christians.

    by TonyWilson

    I was raised as one too. I do know that a lot of what goes on in America and the UK is morally reprhensible to me. In the same way things are to muslim's, frankly I don't mind if there are things they don't like about us. I can live with it. What I can't live with is violence from muslim terrorists of IRA terrorist, or pretty much anyone. I know alot of rich Arab states didnt do much to help other countries. But that was not anything to do with them being Muslim's. The Arab states that could afford to help out are none democratic or insular but this isn't anything to do with religion. I know America was formed by people with Christian values, but I dont think they would agree with much of what America is today. My point was mainly, that Muslim's are helping to combat terror. And that Catholics should be treated in the same way as Muslim's when it comes to terrorism. Or vice versa.

  • July 8, 2005, 7:45 a.m. CST

    No problem Tony

    by classyfredblassy

    Well Tony here is probably the biggest bit of hypocrisy that reall gets me mad: The Koran flap. 1.We know from capture Al-Queada (what ever) handbooks that they tell their people if they are caught, scream that you are being tortured, lied about the koran being mishanded, etc. Where as a US Solider is taught to give name , rank, and serial number, that's it. So if the terrorist used lies about mistreatment in their arsenal, you pretty much have to treat any claims they have about it as false. Sorry, but its their fault for playing that game. 2 So now some terrorists "claim" their Korans were "desecrated", ones that were given to them in there first place by the US Army. Then we have protests all over the Islamic world, calling for "justice" and showing us their "outrage". 3. Now on a weekly basis is Iraq, you have foreign Islamo-freaks blowing up Mosques full of people, on purpose. These same people use those place as fortresses and fire mortars out of them. 4. Then in Pakistan, you have a muslim of different sect walk int a mosque and blow himself up and kill the people inside. This happened a couple of times recently. And there is had nothing to do with "American Occupation" in that case. Now I ask you, where are the massive protests? Where is the outrage? So I guess the message is you can do just about anything, no matter how awful, so long as you are a muslim its ok. Seem to me to be a very clear illustration of hatred and bigotry on a massive scale.

  • July 8, 2005, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Classy, I'm not sure I see your point.

    by TonyWilson

    I mean there are massive protests, normal moderate even strict muslim's are decrying murder in the name of Allah. Every news channel that I turn on has muslim's talking about the rage they feel that there religion is being used to further political aims of some people. As for the Al Qaeda/Qu'ran issue, it needs to be broken down a little more; Of course many of these captured terrorists are lying about the treatment they recieve. But there are also confirmed reports of some of it. What Muslim's demonstrate about is the desecration of the Qu'ran. Plus the ordinary muslim's aren't playing the game of lying about torture. They see the Abu Grahib pictures and get pissed off. That's fair enough. I got pissed off when I saw them. I would think anyone who believes in human rights and the geneva convention would get pissed about it.

  • July 8, 2005, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Tony here is my point

    by classyfredblassy

    Abu Grahib was joke. Have some funny pictures takenof you? Stand on a box holding a wire? Sorry I don't see that as bad as getting your head cut off with a knife, being throwing off a three story building, or being grind up in a wood chipper. Let's see anti-terrorism rallies in Islamic countries of this size and passion and then we will talk:http://www.tribalmessenger.org/t-global/protests/india.htm

  • July 8, 2005, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Classy, to begin with Abu Grahib was not a joke.

    by TonyWilson

    "Here strip naked and make a pyramid with other naked men. Here lie on the ground while we hold vicious barking dogs up to your face. Here put these wires on we'll electrecute you. These were Iraqis that hadnt stood trial and many of whom were released without charge. If your tryng to buld a civilied nation you have to behave like a civilised nation yourself. There's no getting around that. You want to see some anti terrorism rallies in countries full of secret police and agencies that would sooner kill you that watch you denounce anything. Go and organise some. These countries my use Islam as an excuse but we all know it's a cover for power. You go speak to any muslim who comes from Iran and now lives in a free country, he'll tell you how much he hates terrorism, he'll go on marches with you. But back in Iran he will put his and his family's lives first.

  • July 8, 2005, 12:38 p.m. CST

    It was a joke compared to this....

    by classyfredblassy

    Yeah I think this worse than being stripped naked and making a human pyramid and having dogs bark at you: http://www.serbianna.com/columns/mb/026_files/beheading.jpg

  • July 8, 2005, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Classy, I thought better of you.

    by TonyWilson

    NO IT WAS NOT A JOKE. So other people do horrific things. It does not mean that what we do is funny. It means what we do is less severe. But the problem with the US doing things like that is, the US talks about democracy and human rights and then flaunts all of them. The people who did that, we expcet it from them. From the US, the most powerful country in the world, who want to spread freedom we expect better.

  • July 8, 2005, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Classyfredblassy

    by Aston Lad

    Look mate, I appreciate your sympathy for us Brits right now, I really do, but making sweeping statements about the Islamic world is not going to get us ANYWHERE. You say talk is cheap? It certainly is. But hundred of Muslims died on 9/11 and that loss is NOT cheap. Edgware Road Station, one of the sites of the London attack is the heart of London's Arab community and their loss is as great as any non-Muslims in the area. I'm Christian and I know I have few rights in the Arab world, but thats the fault of the political systems there, which are an interpretation of the religion, not the religion itself. Try to understand the difference...and thanks again for your sympathy to my country

  • July 8, 2005, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Aston and TonyWilson

    by classyfredblassy

    Well, time for me to leave this thread. Again I nothing but love England and her people. I guess on some points we just don't see eye to eye.But please don't pull a Spain and give those thugs what they want. As Churchill said on his deathbed "Stay close to the Americans"....

  • July 8, 2005, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Londoners Pay Heavy Price for Blair's Deception

    by Saladin

    Do you feel safer now that George Bush's and Tony Blair's barbaric attacks on Iraq have brought barbaric attacks to London? Coordinated attacks on London's transport system have apparently killed 38 and injured 700. It is a terrible thing but hardly surprising. Did Londoners really think that the British people would not be held accountable for electing and reelecting Tony Blair--a war criminal under the Nuremberg standard--who aided and abetted George Bush's illegal invasion of Iraq on false pretenses? Did Londoners really believe that Muslims would have no response to the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq and the slaughter, torture, and detention of Muslims? Blair and Bush are on their high horses claiming the morality of "civilized nations" and denouncing the retaliation they have provoked as "barbarism." Their hypocrisy plays poorly in the world. Far more innocent Iraqi civilians, especially women and children, have been slaughtered than British and Americans. Why do Bush and Blair believe they should be praised for slaughtering civilians and only Muslims denounced? Why do Americans think it is heroic and honorable for our troops to massacre Iraqis with bombs, missiles, gunships, tanks, and heavy machine guns, but cowardly and barbaric when our victims fight back in the only way they can? The US and Britain started this fight, not Iraq. We should be ashamed that Bush and Blair deceived us, tricked us into a pointless and unjust war, and that innocent people on both sides are paying with their lives and limbs for Bush's and Blair's lies. Our real anger should be directed at Bush and Blair who are responsible for the deaths and destruction. The American and British people had better wake up, depose their immoral leaders, and put a halt to this war. There are 1.3 billion Muslims. The Iraqi insurgency has proved that Muslims are not intimidated by a "superpower." Unless the American and British people want a 30-year or a 100-year war with domestic police states for "security" reasons and a draft that will bleed their populations dry, this war needs to be wound up quickly with due apologies and reparations. No more bluster and heroic talk from the two war criminals. The war is breeding terrorism and cannot be won. Only an even-handed diplomacy that breeds trust and ceases to rule Muslims with puppet governments can isolate and reduce terrorist acts. Muslims are not a few scattered Indian tribes with no place to hide who can be exterminated. America has no chance of imposing its will on the Muslim world. Muslims have their own will. As long as Bush continues to operate with Mao's belief that power comes out of the barrel of a gun, terrorism will prosper and people will die for no reason except their refusal to hold corrupt leaders accountable.

  • July 8, 2005, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Saladin = Pig Whore

    by classyfredblassy

    Saladin shut your fucking unwashed mouth. One question for you shit-for-brains. How come, after Spain had already pulled it troops out of Iraq (the Islamic terrorists' condition to stop their bombing attack), they found an even bigger bomb on their rail system, planted by the same group? Oh yeah they also caught them planning to blow up some Spanish Courthouses. Come one answer me, how come? Please think of something. In the mean time , here are some stories of Islamic Terrorist attacks that have nothing to do with the US, the UK, and the so called "crimes against Iraq": http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/05/27/pakistan.blast/index.html, http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,147903,00.html, http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/05/30/pakistan.karachi.blast.ap/index.html, http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/05/28/indonesia.bombs/index.html

  • July 8, 2005, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Classyfredblassy = Fascist Vermin

    by Saladin

    Go fuck yourself, you subhuman wanker! You have watched too much Fox News, dickhead.

  • July 8, 2005, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Saladin=The Islamo-facist

    by classyfredblassy

    So I guess people who object to getting blown up by suicide bombers are Fascists. Interesting. Still didn't answer my question, Jihad Johnny. More fun reading: "HOOK-handed cleric Abu Hamza last night GLOATED over the shuttle disaster and rejoiced in the deaths of the seven astronauts. The Muslim fanatic called the Columbia crew

  • July 8, 2005, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Classyfredblassy = The Christian fundamentalist retard

    by Saladin

    Suck my black dick, shitbrains. How do you like this answer you evangelist idiot?

  • Fuck you very much for the interesting conversation, you fucking idiot!

  • July 8, 2005, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Saladin has gone back to his Spider Hole

    by classyfredblassy

    Watch for him to spread his Islamo-Terrorist brand of hatred on other forums.....