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Tim Minear, creator and mastermind of “The Inside,” says he thinks the Fox Network will air three more episodes of his FBI crime drama, then be done with it.
“On Thursday they needed to extend their options on the cast and decided not to,” posts Minear on timminear.net. “Considering it would have been chump change for them, it basically means we're done.”
Minear goes on to say he expects all 13 filmed episodes, and perhaps even the two discarded pilots, are likely already headed for a season-box DVD, and that fans shouldn’t bother lobbying Fox on saving the show.
Read all of Minear’s comments here.
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My wife literally just finished watching the newest episode of "The Inside" and she loved it. Then I read her this web posting, and now she's mad. I think I'm sleeping on the couch for being the bearer of bad news...
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Never watched it..
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RezE, what next button thing? and Bean, it kind of sucked. although maybe something amazing happens in the unaired eps
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Jul 04, 2005 12:54:38 AM CDT
Are they going to air episode 5 or should I burn the DVD now?
by tall_boy
I got 4 episodes on here I wanted to watch at once.
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oh wait, yes i did.
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Jul 04, 2005 1:09:00 AM CDT
promoting good shows is not something Fox excels at. But if this
by big bad clone
Fuck you Fox for getting my money from DVD sales. Couldn't they have moved it to F/X inbetween the end of Rescue Me's season and the no doubt delayed premiere of Nip/Tuck?
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What, if a show doesnt catch fire in the ratings after 4 episodes thay drop it? Or do the executives just think they know best about what makes "good tv"? Well they must, just look at this Golden Age of Television we're blessed to be living in. Actually they probably just realized it would be more cost effective to come up with another show where people subject themselves to international humilation for the promise of quick cash or fame. That way you dont have to pay some snot-nosed writer who thinks he knows more about drama than a corporate executive....Anywhoo... I thought The Inside deserved a chance - it was no Firefly but it was better than most television these days and had potential. I mean, if you look back at a lot of classic shows, they were usually less than classic in the first season, and especially the first few episodes. These things need time to find their footing.
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... I remember hearing that Cheers came 75th out of 75 at the end of its first year. Funnily enough, it was saved by critics who loved the show. 10 more years plus 12 years of Frasier (that otherwise would not have existed) later ... You have to wonder how long it would have lasted under today's criteria ... I think M*A*S*H was in a similar boat in the early seasons and probably many others ... How much time nowadays does a show have in which to prove itself?
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Has a new victim.
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Here's my idea. Turn the actual Fox network into the 'Fox Reality & Animation Channel'. Just get it over with an make it official. Then, take the cable space taken up with the Fox Movie Channel, or the Reality Channel if Fox is behind that, and make that the 'Excellent Single-Season Series Channel'. Then, they can continue to do this kind of thing over and over and over and it -won't- piss off or alienate the fanbase, because we'll be expecting it. As it stands now, Fox pretends to be a real network, and pimps the living shit out of that new show that's after Family Guy which is universally hated. Yep, they sure have the right idea.
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Cause you know, FOX has great shows lined up to replace it - their usual shit.
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I really wanted to like this show... but I didn't and I'd already given up on it to be too broken up about this. Still feel bad for Tim, though. When does his contract with Fox end so he can go to a network that's going to give him a chance?
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Once again, the principle of offending as few people as possible strikes again. The Inside is original and bracing enough to make viewers who just want to vedge out in front of the tube uncomfortable. The average viewer likes to not think. There, I said it, and I'm not sorry I did. Broadcast TV is a poor medium for quality programming; it was acceptable for such back in prehistoric times before cable, when it was one of the very few mass entertainment options. Now, as Minear says on his website, he can churn out what amount to TV miniseries on DVD for 20 to 30 million each. Compare lists of the top rated shows to your own lists of the top quality shots, and it's clear. TV broadcasts that people can get for free, or pay for as part of a standard cable package, don't want anything original or unnerving.
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As others have said above, it's no Firefly. But The Inside is one of the top programs ever aired, and certainly in the top 5% being aired this year. I'll take The Inside over any number of crass, pandering reality shows, dumb sitcoms, and boring dramas.
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Minear thinks there will probably be a few more. Frankly, I'm usually bored by procedurals - this show and Medium were the only exceptions. I'll always love that Minear magic, especially when there's the occasional Jane Espisode ("Like that? Mine"). As long as Tim keeps churnin' 'em out and Fox cancels them, I'm there. Fox probably plans to do these shows and pull them before they're halfway done to make money on the DVDs, anyway.
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I agree with hillarylovesme. For me the inside was some fine quality television. After the death of "Eyes" another one that deserved more. Sad, sad, sad.........
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Seinfeld was also very unpopular to begin with and never would've made it now... they probably think this counts as healthy competition, not realising that if they think the show has problems, they should focus on making it work rather than starting from scratch. Perhaps the reason why they don't do this is that the industry is run by a bunch of non-creative number-crunchers who don't know how to turn a failing project around.
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Maybe Fox's new strategy is to cancel shows and then bring them back only if it turns out they sell a shitload on DVD - as with Family Guy.
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It is desperately in need a continuous storyline to hold it all together and a lead actress that can actually act. I would give both the show and the actress less than half the rating I would give Veronica Mars. Anyone who thinks The Inside is one of the best shows on TV is foolish at best.
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Cancel with episodes in the can. Then we have to buy the box set to see what happened. If all the episodes air, the semi-hooked wouldn't bother buying the DVD just to get a couple commentary tracks.
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"Unfortunately, there's no more room on the schedule. We've just got to accept the fact that Fox has to make room for terrific shows like 'Dark Angel,' 'Titus,' 'Undeclared,' 'Action,' 'That '80s Show,' 'Wonderfalls,' 'Fastlane,' 'Andy Richter Controls the Universe,' 'Skin,' 'Girls Club,' 'Cracking Up,' 'The Pitts,' 'Firefly,' 'Get Real,' 'Freakylinks,' 'Wanda at Large,' 'Costello,' 'The Lone Gunmen,' 'A Minute With Stan Hooper,' 'Normal, Ohio,' 'Pasadena,' 'Harsh Realm,' 'Keen Eddie,' 'The Street,' 'American Embassy,' 'Cedric the Entertainer,' 'The Tick,' 'Luis' and 'Greg the Bunny.' But I suppose if all those shows go down the tubes, we might have a shot."
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It's been said before but the three supporting characters are better than the three leads. I still think it's hard to judge any show after four episodes. I was about to give up on Buffy after four episodes when it looked like baby X-Files monster of the week. Wonderfalls is another good example of that. Started well, got dull, and then really picked up at the end of the season. But getting cancelled after like four episodes I couldn't tell if it was any good or not until the DVD came out.
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I tuned into it a couple of times, but like all shows made by people who have been told repeatedly that they "write smart dialogue" blah blah blah it's full of that kind of crap, and watching people talk like TV CHARACTERS instead of real people is your deal (i.e. if you're a hopeless fanboy), then you'll love it. The rest of the world just doesn't see anything particularly special about it. The lead chick is pretty hot, though.
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Ill miss Rachel Nichols or whatever her name is , she is pretty damn cute :)
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Good point ... I forgot about that one. In terms of getting the bigger viewer figures, fame and attention, it didn't come until a few seasons in I guess ...
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Season 1= Not in the Top 30/Season 2= Not in the Top 30/Season 3= Not in the Top 30/Season 4= 25/Season 5= 3/Season 6= 1/Season 7= 2/Season 8= 2/Season 9= 1/... It didn't really take off until Season 5 in terms of viewing numbers ... what can we learn from this boys and girls? ...
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Tim Minear solo efforts have been nothing but disappointing. Not to say that the guy can't write. Hell, no. He's talented- but maybe he needs a sounding board.
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Jul 04, 2005 6:49:35 AM CDT
Hey Tim, why dont you make another show as soon as possible...
by lordenigma
That does not feature the brutalizing of a woman every week. That would be nice.
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Yeah, the writing was pretty decent, but nothing about this show really gripped me the way Lost or 24 did. It probably didn't help that there's about 50 billion other cop shows out now and that the genre is over-saturated.
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I said in the last talkback for this show that it was going to get canceled but even this kinda catches me off guard. I didn't much care for the show and at least thought they would get the full run out before not renewing it...but on the other hand it is Fox, that's why I've learned when it comes to Fox to just enjoy a show (if I can) while it's on the air but always remember it's fox and even if you love it...if it doesn't produce top numbers by early in the shows life it'll probably get the boot...sad way to look at things but it's a sad situation at fox when the only thing that lives are Simpsons, Malcom, Simpsons, and Malcom, etc
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The fact is that Fox's ideology is completely fucking shot. You need to let a show build and breath before it can catch an audience. You can't expect a show to get front-loaded reviews and viewers. It just DOESN'T happen, ever. Sometimes you strike gold and you get CSI, and then it's exploited 64 times. But Cheers completely failed it's first season, Seinfeld did the same. The ratings take a while to come around. I understand that shows are far more expensive now, so it's a hard investment to keep them alive, but you need to invest money to make it back. Fox, even though I criticize them, has made plenty of great shows. I mean, almost every TV DVD set I own is from FOX in some way/shape/form. Which is pretty good, considering I own quite a few. But to consider this ludicrous revolving door thing, FOX will never have a hit unless it sticks with the shows it has. The show might not have been excellent, but it did feel as though it was building towards something great. Whether or not it ever could reach that peak is beside the point, since we'll never know. But it's just hammy bullshit that Fox pulls ALL THE TIME. It's ridiculous, and now it's getting tedious. Although I think Minear should get to another network, and David Fury should make his own damn show already. Call the shots and unleash another "Walkabout" level hourlong upon as all... Every week.
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I think FOX is looking for a "killer app" to compliment 24. You know if that show got cancelled they would be in trouble. I think they are wanting a "Desperate Housewives" show that brings in big numbers from day one but that rarely happens. People watch "Desperate Housewives" the same reason they watch "Survivor": sheer blatant unadulterated unfathomable stupidity. Did I mention "Desperate Housewives" sucks?
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Inside had worse ratings than reruns of That 70s Show and barely had better ratings than reruns of Stacked. It was getting its pants beat off by a show about celebrities dancing. In the Summer, no less...
The Seinfeld and Cheers analogies don't hold up for two reasons. One, they were comedies, and much cheaper to produce. Two, they aired during the regular season (Seinfeld Chronicles was a Spring show), and while their ratings weren't spectacular, they did better than reruns. This show was D.O.A., and frankly, I'm not surprised. Anytime your lead character is outwitted by a 10-year old you do not have a hit show on your hands. -
If you hit the Next button (under the article), sometimes you'll get to an article that hasn't been posted yet, or an old article being used as a placeholder (I assume that's what it's being used for).
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It is a better show than most of the shit Fox usually airs, but it would have never gotten a huge audience. I would rather have wonderfalls renewed than this anyways.
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... I'm not commenting on this show directly as I'm living in Australia and I've not seen an episode. Even though I liked Buffy and Angel, I haven't seen any of the shows that the creative staff have since gone on to do except Lost and that was incidental. So, that's not a factor either. I was just commenting on how in general nowadays a show has to prove itself very quickly or the axe will fall on it, it's quite common for shows to get the shove after 4,3 even 2 episodes. By todays criteria, Cheers would definitely get a bullet in the head at the end of its first season though.
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"I've not seen" ... that just doesn't sound quite grammatically correct, does it? Even if it is, I guess it's not good English now that I think about it ...
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Jul 04, 2005 9:54:56 AM CDT
Low ratings? No critical buzz? But Minear wrote it, so FOX must
by genro
welcome to the wonderful world of AICN backscratching...
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Friday 5:30-6:30 Fox Presents: The Inside
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Jul 04, 2005 10:11:29 AM CDT
Stop the fucking "what about Cheers and Seinfeld" analogies you
by genro
Even in 75th place, Cheers was pulling in HUGE audience numbers compared to today's shows because cable was in its infancy. And Seinfeld didn't have expanded cable, DVD or even the web to compete against...So we're clear, this is how competiton works - audience-size attracts advertisers. Advertisers offset the costs of shows. Without an audience, the network has to give lowball rates on ad times. Networks will only do that if the shows has a desireable niche audience. If a network went to bat for every low-rated show, they'd have to cut new production in half. I love the stagnant market universe some of you live in...
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Jul 04, 2005 10:21:15 AM CDT
The Inside was not "wrongfully cancelled before its time."
by charlemagne 2.0
It was simply not a good show that could stand the competition of today's television market. Watching The Inside gave me the feeling that the writers thought that all of its audience members were 13 years old.
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It won't be missed.
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had it time to develop. a 2nd season would've helped. Message to Time. Develop a show for USA, FX, OR TNT or even Sci Fi.
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Seriously, the market may be differently economically. But creatively it's all the same. I'm not saying that the show is making money, and Fox is being stupid. I'm saying that the shows are not given time to reach any creative peak, and therefore have no time to reach an audience. Season 4-5 of Seinfeld were essentially the best. Same can be said about Cheers, and that's when they found their audience. Yes the marketplace is different, but people will track down "quality." When you aren't given time to get to a point of quality, you never stand a chance in the first place. Therefore you remove the point of CREATING shows in the first place. Just have commercials for an hour, it wouldn't make much of a difference. CSI is a commercial for expository stupidity. "Hey look, sand under the fingernails. That means he was killed on the beach!" Mmm k. All I'm saying is that the marketplace CAN be different, but they still need to give shows time. Although maybe I'm leaving in a dream, and the 80's are still the present. Fuck man, I'm putting my WHAM album back on and breaking out my pastel suits. Yowza, I'm cool again. (Also, fuck the accidental enter button.)
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Peter Coyote, for one, was terrific. It was easily as good a show as any of the overrated CSI or Law & Order shows that are ubiquitous on TV. The problem is over-saturation of all this similar programming.
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This show sucked big time.The whole serial killer of the week thing is so over already.How many years ago did MANHUNTER and SEVEN come out?This show brought nothing new to the table.Anybody who says this was one of the best shows to air on TV needs to be seriously smacked...peace
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The show was OK and had potential but if it wasn't on in the summer, I probably wouldn't have watched it. Am I to believe that there are that many serial killers out there that this group is able to catch a different one every week? And all of them in the Los Angeles area? The show could have been really interesting if they had taken the Pre-Filer character and stretched his story out over a season or series long arc. They could still catch their killer of the week but every now and then a body would show up with the mark of the pre-filer to throw them for a loop. Instead, they chose to focus on whatsherface's childhood kidnapping but still haven't done anything with it besides the occasional mention of her past childhood trauma and how she's not that person anymore.
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I love how Minear somehow assumes that such lobbying would occur for this particular program. Kind of highlights why The Inside was so out of touch......
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Now those I would like to see. The first version was about the show being set in high school, but was the second pilot similar to the show we have now, though with a slightly different cast, set-up?
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That's because Minear knows he has loyal fans and people who really liked the show as this talkback demonstrated. Obviously this show probably had the least broad appeal of all of Minear's shows. So it wasn't for everybody, but some of us generally liked it.
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I hope at least they
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They should have held it till September and started it after House, they would have had another hit, but oh well.
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Jul 04, 2005 1:18:32 PM CDT
Genro, you are right - 75th place back then was not the same as
by big jim
The number of people watching a 75th-place show was a lot larger than what it would be today. However, it was still 75th. That means there were 74 other shows on TV that drew larger audiences. And, as you said, there was little competition from cable or home video, let alone the internet. And there was no Fox. The big 3 networks pretty much ruled television. Almost everyone watching TV was watching those 3. People had less choice than they do today. And Cheers still managed to get beat by 74 other shows. It was, I believe, dead-last in the ratings. That means it was the least-watched show on TV. With ratings like that, regardless of the decade it was on TV, it would surprise no one if it were cancelled. But it wasn't. Someone had faith that it would do better (just like they did with Seinfeld and Hill Street Blues). Now, in no way am I comparing The Inside with those shows. I'm just saying I agree that it sometimes takes more than 4 episodes for a show to find its audience. Did Fox really have such high hopes for this show? Or did they have no faith and just wanted to air a few episodes to get a hardcore handful interested enough that they would buy the complete series DVD? Good scam - Direct to Video Television: Air a few episodes and get the advertising dollars, use those airings as basically a preview for the DVD they will release in 6 months time, cancel it and put in its place 20 episodes of The Littlest Dancing Bachelor Boss.
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Still sucks to hear that Fox axed another show. With the creative staff and that cast on board, it couldn't possibly have been that bad.
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The thing I don't get about FOX is that even though a ton of people had said they wouldn't give the show a chance just because it was only a 13 ep. committment and was on FOX who has a reputation of not letting shows develop and giving a quick hook they turn around and justify that line of reasoning and quickly cancel another show. Every time they do it they make it that much harder for the next new FOX show to succeed.
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That sort of talk back will simply ruin Genro's superiority complex!!
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The show had potential but fell flat on the energy level. I watched but found myself fast forwarding on the TIVO a lot. The way they did the show just didn't work. I guess Peter Coyote shouldn't stayed with 4400.
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Jul 04, 2005 2:45:58 PM CDT
Guys, if you haven't noticed by now, this was intended to be
by lenny nero
The same thing happened to another (and, frankly, better) FOX show a couple years back called "Keen Eddie." When an actual high-budget drama is moved into the summer, there is about a 99% chance that the network was always going to cancel it but still decided to hedge their bets and give it at least some decent airtime. Don't act like this wasn't going to happen the moment you heard a Tim Minear show was debuting in JUNE.
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damn, and i liked the show. they arent even gonna air all the episodes! that fucking sucks. but when a shows creater says 'screw it, i give up, dont even bother fighting for it' thats a real bad sign. it was improving every episode. oh well.
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No way, no how did Fox "blow it" with this show. We all know that they have done so in the past, but not this time.
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1. Very well advertised. 2. No competition in the genre (i.e. all the other procedurals are in reruns). 3. Strong, talented cast. 4. Ratings that barely improved upon Stacks reruns...people, this dog deserves a bullet to the back of the head. Some shows just don't work. This is one of them. It's not Fox's fault. If it's anyone's fault, it's probably Herc's for tabbing it.
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I had a conversation with my cousin who is a animation producer, who worked with WB animation dept before striking out on his own.
We were talking about Lucas and Jar Jar. everyone is agreed that Jim Jam bonks was indefensible but it was lucas's character and his saga.
The fans who,like to think that the saga is made for them forget one thing that this is Lucas Saga and can do with it what he wants.
Fox is like that, sure Minear wrote the show but it belongs to fox and fox can cancel it if they want to like buffy, angel etc, etc.
Buffy fans wanted blood when buffy ended and more blood when angel was cancelled. It belongs to them and they can do what they like with it.
Execs are more keener to look at the bottom line. Buffy at series 7 became boring and ahem IT HAD STOPPED MAKING MONEY, so they cancelled and the it was possible the same for angel.
That is the nature of TV, now and for the future.
The nature of tv is all about reality tv , there will be good reality shows like documentary style reality shows and atrocious shows like Hells kitchen and how clean is your house, they are cheap to make, has any one in america seen I am celebrity...get me out of here, it is hugely popular where I live in Ireland it is filmed in OZ and brodcast in the UK. like it or not people like to see worthless celebs eating kangaroo balls. A perfect contestant for this would be TOM Cruise. We would all love him to be brought down to earth in some way.
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That's sort of a good point, actually. A lot of the shows we bitch about Fox cancelling probably never would have been developed at other networks. But still, it's like once they're released they don't even give the shows a proper chance to find an audience. It either has to be there in the first three weeks or it's D.O.A.
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Buffy wasn't canceled. It was still making SOMEBODY money with the DVD sales and merchandise. The creators ended the show on their own, because they felt the show had run it's course. Plus, before you get into it, Angel had the highest ratings of it's career before it got cancelled. Explain that!
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All respect to Minear and Co., but this is why I never bothered to watch even one episode.
WHY, oh WHY does anyone shop the Fox Network at all?
They have canned way too many good shows to be trusted. I will not watch any of their programs other than Simpsons and Arrested.
Anything else is a waste of time!
I am sorry to hear this news, but in no way am I surprised.
FOX SUX!!!
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Everyone who didn't want to get burned again refused to watch. That could cause its ratings to suck. Think on it for a second.
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So it matters not what everyone else does or does not watch. Or have the ratings gatherers moved into the 21st century (or even the 1990s) and are using a more efficient and accurate system to gauge viewing habits?
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The industry is still using the ridiculous Neilsen ratings which is a friggin joke..i mean nigga please there has to be a better , more accurate way to determine viewership totals then this system thats in place now.
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very good and very bad.
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From what I remember, Profiler had Jack (which went on possibly far too long) who kept materialising (along with the occasional corpse) while they solved other cases.
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... who do you cancel then and why? Mind you in the case of Cheers, apparently the critical response from enough people and critics was enough to save it for another season - the rest they say is history. I guess that the right people who made the decision made the gamble from what they saw happening apart from just the audience figures. The question is now, if there is a show that is in a similar position today, would it ever get that chance? How would we know that it's a show that's supposed to get a chance as opposed to ones that rate badly because they're no good. Especially if the audience only gets shown a few times.
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Jul 04, 2005 9:40:55 PM CDT
FutureGuy is right: This show is best appreciated as unintended
by jim jam bongs
Check your brain while watching it. Laugh at the absurd plot twists and pseudo-psycho-babble that Rebecca and her colleagues engage in. There are some real laugh riot lines of dialogue in this show. I started watching my TiVo'ed episodes recently and I cannot believe that anybody watchiing this show could take it seriously.
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Jul 04, 2005 9:43:48 PM CDT
Theory: Rebecca as a child was kidnapped by the Feds...
by jim jam bongs
I think the Feds, or an operative of the FBI, kidnapped Rebecca when she was 10 and held her for 18 months -- and it was all part of an FBI plan. Why? Because they wanted to see if they could "create" a profile. I am not joking. As outlandish as this sounds, this show is absurd enough to pull something like that.
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Jul 04, 2005 9:45:28 PM CDT
Oops: TYPO -- meant to say that Rebecca was an "experiment" by t
by jim jam bongs
Yep. Seriously.
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I'm not going to miss it. And while I can appreciate people bemoaning the lack of quality television and Fox's lack of a clue in general, it's sorely misplaced on this show, which is blatantly mediocre at best. This show smacked of Minear trying to make a commercial hit, rather than a legitimately challenging show from the get-go. Wonderfalls was grand, this was as close to sell-out as he'll hopefully ever get. I completely disagree with the assertion that this was 'challenging' television in any single way. It was mundane, felt way too familiar and was generally poortly plotted, with sporadic snippets of wit and cleverness. And I'm sorry, but the lead actress is not all that 'hot', has approximately 3 expressions, and apparently graduated from the Jennifer Garner school of Acting. This was a poor vehicle to showcase the otherwise very talented people involved.
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I'm too lazy to scroll back up to check, but somebody asked whether or not they'd still be at ComicCon. Tim commented on that in the same statement: "One final note, this press release for ComicCon is a bit premature. With things being what they are, that panel looks to be falling apart, so if you were going to make any plans based on it, don
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Jul 04, 2005 10:50:51 PM CDT
Tim Minear is a fucking idiot for making yet another show on FOX
by my ass smells
he deserved it for his stupidity
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"We just gotta accept the fact that FOX has to make room for terrific shows like Dark Angel, Titus, Undeclared, Action, That 80's Show, Wonder Falls, Fast Lane, Andy Richter Controls The Universe, Skin, Girl's Club, Cracking Up, The Pitts, Firefly, Get Real, Freaky Links, Wanda At Large, Costello, The Lone Gunman, A Minute with Stan Hooper, Normal Ohio, Pasadena, Harsh Realm, Keen Eddy, The Street, American Embassy, Cedric The Entertainer, The Tick, Louie, And Greg The Bunny."
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Congratulations on completely missing the point of that joke (which I wouldn't mind so much if you didn't just diss a handful of shows that I like in the process).
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1) I've done the math in a Stats class. It's legit in like 99.3% of any situation. Of course, I'm sure the .7% exception applies to the show you love :rolleyes:. 2) What I meant by my "nobody watching it" implicitly included the Neilsen viewers.
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Eh, can't really say I'm surprised. After ten years of X Files, Millennium, Profiler, Law & Order, CSI, and other assorted crime procedural shows. There's nothing really fresh about it, the writing wasn't that strong, and the lead actress couldn't act her way out of a wet paper pag.
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What does that say about the mentality of the Neilson viewer who does not watch a show because they are afraid it will be cancelled due to low ratings? That's like turning down sex with a beautiful woman because there's the possiblity that after a few months she may dump you. Ok, maybe it's not exactly like that but I think you get my point.
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except for everyone on the fucking planet.
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You have to go back to an earlier post; my point #2 is essentially criticizing the attitude of xenaman, I seriously doubt most neilsen (or any viewers) consciously avoid a show because they fear a possible cancellation in the future.
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Jul 05, 2005 3:12:26 PM CDT
I think Rebeccas lipstick is the same shade as Special Agent Cla
by jackdonkey
What's Bryan Fuller up to these days?
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Cheers was saved because NBC had nothing else to put in its place. Not like now, where every yo-yo with a dumb idea can pass it 'round as long as it's a reality show.
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went from #75 to #13 in its 2nd season, which is a remarkable jump. I wonder what they did to get so much more attention for the 2nd season ... or what didn't they do for the 1st season ...
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