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One Sheet for V FOR VENDETTA Shows Up!
Hey folks, Harry here... I've read the script for V FOR VENDETTA now and frankly... it really is quite good. In addition - everything we've seen in terms of the style and look of the film seems to be evidence of the first quality translation of an Alan Moore property. I love the cast, I'm curious about how the filming is going - and I'm dying to see the trailer for this baby. But for now - here's the poster and click on it to visit the official site. Here ya go:
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second, a "one-sheet" is a poster, right?
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There's no end of new articles appearing all at once. I hope this film is better than all the press so far.
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From chimpan A to chim- wait a minute, this isn't about Kong, is it?
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Nothing like inciting the people to rise up in revolution to secure your place in the heart of the current regime. Think this one'll get screened at the White House? "I thought it was awesome! Stuff got blowed up real good!" -- G.W. Bush
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I like it, but the fan made fake from the on set shots from a couple of weeks ago were better. Why isn't it just the iconic mask?
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...has to be certain for this movie, judging by what theyre planning on doing to the ending. Its an absolute disgrace, and seems that, as usual, hollywood pisses all over pathos in the desire to make a movie, with no regard to the source material. I grew up with this graphic novel, one of alan moores finest, right up there with killing joke and watchmen...now the memories of these great stories is being butchered, "from hell" style, perhaps some graphoc novels should not be converted, unless, to preserve the style, substance and content, the creator and/or artist is directly involved. Kudos to sin city!
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When they say 'an uncompromising vision of the future' - do they actually mean 'a compromised version of the comic, including finding out who V is and seeing his face, with a lot of the subtly and subtext removed so as not to upset the mallrat masses?' Oh and what the fuck is a compromised vision of the future? Have we seen one of those? Lame, tired, bullshit marketing... for (probably) another raped asshole of an Alan Moore adaptation
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Jun 28, 2005 7:57:21 AM CDT
YEAH!!! FROM THE FIRST ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF THE MATRIX!!!!!
by chickengeorgevii
GODAMN! GODAMN! GODAMN! GODAMN! GODAMN! GODAMN! GODAMN! GODAMN! GODAMN! GODAMN! GODAMN! GODAMN! GODAMN! THIS MAKES ME PISS MY PANTS WITH INDESCRIBIBLE JOY!!!!! I FINALLY GET TO SEE THE CREATIVE VISION OF THE MAN WHO BROUGHT KEANU REEVES THE TIMELINE FOR THE SHOOTING SCHEDULE IN FRONT OF THE GREEN SCREEN!!!!! GODAMN! GODAMN! GODAMN! GODAMN! GODAMN! GODAMN! GODAMN! GODAMN! GODAMN! GODAMN! GODAMN! GODAMN! GODAMN! I WANNA GET IN LINE FOR THIS RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!!! NOW!!! I SAY!!!! RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!!!.....And thus, does anyone write new stuff? - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!
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...what he said..
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Alan Moore.
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Did they not create the Matrix Trilogy? No where on the poster does it claim they created V.
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Bring your own sacrificial virgin, there will be Morris Dancing and a dance display from the local satanist society and their is no dress code, infact come along in the nude please.
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I understand Moore not wanting to compromise his artistic integrity (a rare concept to be sure), but pulling a Schultz ("I know nuthink! NU-THINK!") is only going to let the general public assume that the Wachowskis created V FOR VENDETTA. If the movie sucks, then that's a good thing because the Wachowskis will get the heat, but if they somehow recapture the magic of the first MATRIX film (a.k.a. The One Most Of Us Liked), then they are the ones the general public will associate most with the creation, not Moore or Lloyd.
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Joel Silver once said that McTeigue, the director, did everything the Wachowskis wanted from him. Isn't that just what he did on The Matrix movies? Being an assistant director? The Wachowski Bros should lift their heads out of each others asses and make a decent movie again. The Matrix was good, Bound was better and the Matrix sequels were a waste of everybody's time and money and effort. But I sincerely hope that Hollywood gets a Moore-Movie right this time. The man deserves it.
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It's rather obvious that they were just a little skittish on directing after Revolutions. This was probably their litmus test for future projects, but if they choose to, it's just receding into "Well, we shot some second unit." My guess is that they shot and "supervised" well over seventy percent of this thing. I don't really mind that, but seriously they're imagery is getting awfully similar. 2002: "Hey, let's have a city filled with Smiths, that'd be a cool image." 2004: "Hey, let's have a city filled with V's, that be a cool image." I don't mind recycling if it makes sense, but where in the fuck did everyone get the outfits? The Gap must've been fucking packed that night.
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I never read Moore's work... but i have flipped through it in a store once. I'm all sure it good and stuff, but I want to see the Wachowski's take on this one. And the poster says 'an uncompromising vision' which I'm sure a lot of you agree it is. And 'from the creators of the MT' which it is... there's no bullshit here. Plus you'd want this otherwise so called less known to the world work by Alan Moore to get some recognition right? Loved the hell out of the Matrix mythos, and the W. bros got me ready to buy a ticket to this flic. If I like it, I just might actually read the original. But from what I've seen I doubt the original will be as 'cinematic' as the film.
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... is that they've based the look on the comics,,, and the artowrk was always the weakest part of the graphic novel. Of all the Alan Moore books, V for Vendetta has the shittest visual style. That mask is fucking lame, and when i saw those photos i realised that to most people this film is going to look gay.
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mansep, YOU IDIOT.
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Man, I hate it when the POSTER tells me how to feel about a film. Fuck you, and fuck the wachowski broth . . . uh, SIBLINGS. This is the worst poster since ZORRO. Wait, that poster . . .
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David Lloyd has the shittiest visual style of any artist working with Moore? Did you read the Chuck Beckum issues of "Miracleman"? What about "WildC.A.T.s"? Lloyd's work is beautiful. If you haven't seen "V" in black and white, maybe you just don't have the data you need to process his talent. If you have, and you still think his work is shitty, we probably can't explain it to you. Out of curiosity, I ask -- what Moore books have you read? "A Small Killing"? "The Birth Caul"? "Brought to Light?" "Real War Stories"? "Another Suburban Romance"? Or just the big-ticket, mainstream-publisher work? And if wearing a costume styled after clothing of the 1500s is gay, then many, many very straight actors over the last 400 years have looked "gay." And why the hell is "gay" used so much here? Are you 16 years old? Intolerant adults I know don't use "gay" as an insult, they use "faggot," as in, "That 'V' character looks like a faggot."
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Jun 28, 2005 10:29:12 AM CDT
OK, the script review excerpts had me turned off, but the poster
by fluffyunbound
Embracing the anarchism directly in the marketing earns my respect. I have to cut the Wachowskis some slack for a while longer, no matter how bad the Matrix sequels were.
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Burgess wanted nothing to do with the film after Kubrick changed the ending. Then Kubrick wanted nothing to do with it because of the ending he gave it. Now they're both dead and the studio pimped it out regardless of the message the film gives. Life's great.
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'Cause I remember.
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I like to imagine the Wachowski brothers as gerbil/human hybrids that hide in the attic of an old house and spend their days gnawing at each other in the dark cause they are scared of the light....but maybe that's just me
V looks good on the poster, chances are the movie will be dumb
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I just can't get excited about this movie.
All of the pics make me think, "Zorro's outfit meets Captain Hook's face".
Just not that exciting. However, I'm not familiar with the source material, so maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised. Doubt it. The CrackedOutskis really screwed the pooch with the Matrix sequels! -
Could have sworn I read a while back they were successfully sued for taking the base story of the trilogy from someone who sent it to them? I might be way off on this one...
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he's easily the best genre comics writer out there, but why does he continue to pimp his genius? it would be one thing if ANY of the films based on his work DIDN'T SUCK DONKEY BALLS, but both FROM HELL and LEAGUE OF BADLY CGI'ED GENTLE'TARDS were both unmitigated, disasterous BOMBS. then, i'm sure you've all heard, that Mr. Moore is going to "retire" from comics so he can >snicker< "practice witchcraft." the man ACTUALLY BELIEVES that he is a warlock. i guess that's it then... he's completely and totally lost his mind.
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this is not a new point by any stretch of the imagination, but HOW BAD were the Matrix sequels? i mean, they couldn't have possibly been worse. i think what happened is that the Wachowskis forgot that what made the movie so popular was slow-motion CGI kung fu gun battles, NOT their achingly naive dorm room philosophy nonsense. oooh! all reality is like an illusion, duuuuuuuuuude. wow! yeah i read Plato too! what a "mind scramblah."
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Jun 28, 2005 11:27:54 AM CDT
Didn't I read a script review of this on this very site sayi
by charlie murphy
is someone going back on his words or did someone else review it? anyway, i'm always excited for adaptations of graphic novels i haven't read.
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For the people thinking this is gonna be a pile of shit, read what Joe Michael Straczynski has said about the script. And i suppose JMS has more credibility than a fucking anonymous 16 years old jerk.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13
JMS REVIEWS VENDETTA SCRIPT
"V For Vendetta" has continued shooting in London this week and the crowd scene with everyone in V masks and costumes has been confirmed by onlookers and photographers. Joe Michael Straczynski emailed this column with his own take on the "V For Vendetta" script and the comments made by fan reviewers at Aint It Cool last week.
He writes, "I saw this and though everything in me yells against getting into these things, I have got to respond.
"Understand: I work with Marvel, I have no vested interest in defending DC or Alan or anyone or anything else.
"The anonymous individual who sent AiCN his 'review' has his head well and duly up his butt. That he had a copy of the script is obvious; that he understood it, less so. There's an old saying: a book is like a mirror, if an ass peers in, you can't expect an apostle to peer out. This person clearly has no idea what's actually going on in that script despite having read it (or having it read to him). You can take anything -- ANYthing -- and by casting it in a certain light, make it sound stupid. 'Oh, and at the end of Blade Runner, there's this REALLY stupid scene where the android guy's, like, hugging a pigeon and talking about moons on fire.' It's all in how you phrase it. Making fun of something is easy.
"About a month ago, I got hold of the V script, the very same draft that this anonymous assassin cites. As a fan of Alan's work, and the V books in particular, I sat down, eager to read it.
"What I read blew my brains out through the back of my head.
"I think it's one of the smartest, sharpest, insightful and well-crafted scripts I've ever read. It's emotional, evocative, heart-rending, biting, sharp, relentless and just plain garden variety powerful. It's not just a good film, it's an *important* film, and there's a great deal of subtlety and nuance in it that was clearly lost on the idiot that read the script so he could make fun of it and stir the pot.
"So there is no 'consensus.' All you've got is one anonymous guy who takes a few things out of context to make them look stupid, revealing his own mendacity and cupidity in the process. As someone who's not just written over two hundred produced scripts and read hundreds more, someone who is a fan of Alan's work, I'm telling you straight-up, with absolutely no agenda: the 'V for Vendetta' script is a work of freaking genius.
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Jun 28, 2005 11:59:04 AM CDT
It's nice to hear that there is a positive script review out
by fluffyunbound
But the excerpt the AICN reviewer posted of V's "new" opening speech kind of goes beyond competing interpretations, or a lack of subtlety on the part of one reader. It's simply horrible. There is no way to present it on screen that would make it not be horrible. It isn't a matter of context. No directorial trick or moment of acting genius could redeem it. But hey, it's only one-half page of dialogue, and the rest of the script may be gold. That doesn't mean, however, that taking that speech and holding it up and saying "This blows," is wrong or mendacious, because it's not.
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OR NOT! Because I happen to think babylon 5 was a horribly written pile of crap. And this man's opinion means about as much to me as Neo's passive resistance! YeeHaw! Lets all get sex changes and wear capes!! (OK, now I'm just being an asshole)
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wasn't V about a bunch of alien lizards in human makeup? I hope Marc Singer is in this cause the Beastmaster rocks.
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Fine by me. Sure, it's AM's, but I believe he requested to stay away from any association of the film.
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and thus this movie will suck the big one plain and simple. Moore isn't even gonna try to jerk anyone around and has distanced himself from this movie...god they should just call out the bomb squad now and not waste anyones time
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Since Bound is far and away better than any of the Matrix movies...
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If half of the fanboys actually knew what Alan Moore was like, they'd burn his comic books. He's an asshole. Hollywood could hand him the keys to the kingdom, and he'd still find a reason to bitch and moan. That's how he is. He is not a nice guy, or an otherwise easy person to work with.
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you losers are the same people that are crying about people hating on that piece of crap.
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"from the directors of the matrix trilogy" or "from the writer of The league of extraordinary gentlemen" ? .... eh, actually, dont answer that.
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Jun 28, 2005 1:21:36 PM CDT
on a more positive note, alan moore's friends and family now
by bubastis
one of those rubber rings that haemmoroid suffferers use to sit on, in comfort. He's going to really need one.
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Here's the thing with the V script. If its anything remotely like the comic (yes folks...comic, not graphic novel) then people will have widely varying opinions on it. People I know range from "hated it" with no real reason why to "I don't get it" to "It was okay, bit hard to follow" to "Work of freaking genius". Its a literary piece that makes you work as you read it, its not easy for mass consumption (like most of Moore's stuff really).
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Noeland, where are you getting your information? Interviews with and profiles I've read on the man describe him as soft-spoken. He is weird; there is no denying that. He defends his own work vociferously. That does not make him an asshole. Even if it did, does it make the work less good? You want to talk assholes, meet Harlan Ellison on a bad day -- I have. I also have met him on a good, even forgiving, day. No matter his demeanor, I still have great respect for a large portion of his work. Deeds, not words.
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what exactly IS uncompromising about this movie. What would compromise how the filmamkers looked at the furture? Budget constraints? Rain delays? The fact that you cannot look into the future? huh?
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Really do not know if the flick will be good but the tagline is classic in this day and age. I hope the movie is good...and Moore is an asshole
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Yeah, you're right, that is a good tagline. Though, a guy in a zorro outfit with two knives and a wierd mask is not very scary. :) Dennis, I have never met Moore, or spoken with him, but I know some folks professionally who have worked with him, and they don't have nice things to say. Not one. The spoft spoken interviews are just a little show he does to mess with people, which my understanding is, he can be very cruel when making "jokes" about other people. I HAVE met Harlen Ellison though, in chicago, and he seemed needlessly "sharp" with a friend of mine who was trying to be friendly with him. Ultimately our table of friends ended up having breakfast with him in the hotel restaurant, and I walked away thinking he had a very cynical outlook on life, and he was very loud and obnoxious.
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Jun 28, 2005 3:41:35 PM CDT
Yes you did hear about the Wachowskis being sued for STEALING "T
by 007-11
Turns out a woman not only came up with "The Matrix", but "The Terminator" as well. Makes a lot of sense doesn't it?
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i bet it will.
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V is my favorite Moore comic, despite some of hte same indulgences that plague a lot of his works. It certainly feels more topical. HOpefully, this will have the guts of the original, though I would've loved it if they hadn't announce who was playing V and just let it be some great mystery. Whatever. My only fear is that the Wachoffsky Bros. will royally fuck with this like they did the two Matrix sequels. Maybe the fact that those became franchise kiling turds will wake them up and get them off their lazy, sex changing asses and back to putting some effort into their films.
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The poster looks good, in my opinion, and the tagline definitely hooks me. I know there'll be controversy surrounding the "From the Creators of The Matrix Trilogy" line, but I don't really care. I still dig all three "Matrix" films, the second one less than the other two, for their style and what I perceive to be intelligence. I'm not a comic book guy, so I have no idea whether "V" will disappoint or exhilirate fans of the graphic novel. It sounds like most fans of the comic are skeptical, which is cool. I'm sure James McTeigue and the Wachowskis aren't looking for unequivocal acceptance from fans; maybe they'd like to prove they can still produce intense, stylistic work that's fun to watch. I don't know. But I like the cast, especially Hugo Weaving as V, so I remain cautiously optimistic.
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Noeland, thanks for your input. It still doesn't match with what I've heard from collaborators (in interviews) but information comes at us from all sides, and this gives me something to think about. Ellison is very cynical, but he's only loud and obnoxious some of the time. Once, when I was in the running for a staff job with Fantagraphics, he very quietly and seriously warned me away from the company. Also, I have seen him be very tolerant towards those he could have ripped mercilessly. I think you need to catch him on the right day .. or hour!
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natalie portman = worst actress ever.. but i'd still hit it.
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If that's true, then I expect a lot of the same people who are bitching about the Matrix Sequels to bitch about V as well. I'm talking people like the guy who mentioned that what made the original Matrix so good was only the gun-fu. So Alan Moore fans, if all those subtlties etc are really gone or toned down, yOu know who to thank... those that hated Matrix Rel and Rev. The ones that never 'got it' and will go ape shit when you tell them they never did. Let's hope the Wachowskis throw in lots of bullet time for their sake. Interesting thing to point out that I noticed last talkback. The 5th of November that is the popular tagline for this work was also the day Matrix Rev released. Not saying there's any connection, just cool to note, wonder if they'll release the film on that same day.
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The Matrix Trilogy rocked, not the best, but it's one of my favorites. And is it true that in that Online Matrix game thingy that Morpheus dies? That kinda blows.
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sorry, but the matrix WAS only good because of the effects and the style. the actual story was wafer thin, and a vastly simplified version of the stuff we've been seeing EVERYWHERE in sci-fi literature for 20 years, and in certain places since the FIFTIES. the second and third were fun to watch I'll admit, but had even less substance and were further let down by being.....well, daft. I'm sorry, but the big ending being "um, neo is, uh...MAGIC! yeah, that'll do" is lame. we don't get it because there's nothing TO get. it's a cunning illusion.
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I'd also like to know where Noeland got his info. I'm friends with an artist who worked on one of Moore's series a few years back and he had nothing but great things to say about Alan. Granted, most of his conversations were phone/mail because of one being in America and the other Great Britain, but never did he think Moore was unpleasant. He was a bit demanding at times (he's an uncompromising artist, so rightly so), but actually left the illustrators to be creative on their own as long as the parts he wanted done a certain way were done so. He is a bit weird, a bit reclusive, and definitely opinionated (hard to find an artistic person who isn't on at least one topic), but hardly an asshole. Would he be someone you'd immediately chum up to if you bumped into him? Probably not...but it would probably be from you being freaked by his appearance and behavior long before it came down to an issue of whether he wanted to waste his time with you. I don't worship him by any stretch (although I will say few writers who work in the medium of comics know how to use it like he does...and at this point he's got to be frustrated figuring out how to break everyone else out of the rut their in with their mass imitations of his twenty year old works), but I won't allow him to be libeled by someone who most likely only has rumors and multiple-handed down accounts to work from. As for the V for Vendetta movie, I still reserve my opinion. One of the (albeit, minor) points of the comic was that who V is was unimportant. Exactly what he did...any details...all unimportant in the face of the ideal. As long as this movie sticks close enough to the ideal and doesn't pull any of the necessary punches, it should be fitting as a variation on the concept, if not necessarily an adaptation. Still not entirely comfortable with the tagline that make it seem like the Wacky Bro's idea, but if you want to sell this movie, would you go with the 'from the guy who gave you the Matrix' or 'from the great author whose movie's we've raped in the past, like...' ?
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You know, Alan Moore can distance himself all he wants from this project. Unfortunately, that won't change the fact that he signed a contract when this project was optioned, and agreed to whatever that entailed. So whenever I hear an actor, director or writer say that about a project, I'm skeptical about their character. They still have a duty to sell the product. Not take their money and run. Everyone who's ever sold anything has had to sell something that they've been less than satisfied with. You took the money...so why bitch about it? Shallow.
On another note...in general, if most people don't "get" the script, that's a problem. Even if it is brilliant for a small percentage that believe in it. That doesn't sell tickets. It doesn't need to be dumbed down like most movies are nowadays, but it does need to make more sense, if that is, in fact, the issue. I'm not one for absolutes like "this will completely suck" or "scripting genius you silly, average humans could never comprehend", but I will say that "box office bust" usually spells "an uncompromising vision of the future" where studio execs decide to never hire you again.
So in closing.....wait.....what's that?! You're kidding!!! Paul WS Anderson's been hired again?!!
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Obnoxious, rude... he'd fit in here alright. I enjoy his work because he's a fucking great writer. I don't see what his personality has to do with anything. As for the movie, Southpaw Samurai pretty much summed my feelings up on that. And Portman's involvement gives me hope.
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...Guy Fawkes Day? Or whatever it's called?
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gay fucks day? you're confusing me.
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Because The Matrix looks like Dark City. Well I hope the trailer for this looks good. I am anxious what the brothers will cook up next though. they need to make a pure popcorn action flick to win over the masses again. Glad they are writing, but they need to direct again.
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Maybe someone already mentioned this, but Entertainment Weekly reported that Moore was content to let this movie be what it would be (it couldn't be worse than LEAGUE), but when Joel Silver at the press conference said Alan Moore was ecstatic about the adaptation, Moore apparently took it as a betrayal. His opinion was along the line, "I didn't say it and don't make it sound like I did." When Silver and Warner's refused to offer a retraction or apology, that was when Moore went on his rant. Just some context. And if you want to meet an asshole, look no further than Joel Silver. At least Moore has talent.
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how i still don't give a squirell's nut about this movie.
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Jun 28, 2005 10:13:47 PM CDT
Noeland, if your friends go around picking fights with Harlan El
by fluffyunbound
...then that probably says a lot about your friends. And unless your friends are Michael Swanwick and the ghost of Philip K. Dick, I hope Moore and Ellison run into them in a bar and beat them senseless.
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...that the above post is facetious. It occurs to me that people might take it the wrong way.
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If you wrote "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" and somebody made that horrible, horrible, horrible abomination of a movie out of it. I think THAT alone gives him a free "asshole pass" when it comes to movies................................................ The other important factor here: A great many talkbackers are assholes so how can WE complain or care even a little?
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Jun 29, 2005 2:15:06 AM CDT
ZombieSolutions - re: What the Hell is Wrong with Alan Moore?
by zabbadoo
Q: he's easily the best genre comics writer out there, but why does he continue to pimp his genius? A: He doesn't. We do. Cause he is. Q: it would be one thing if ANY of the films based on his work DIDN'T SUCK DONKEY BALLS, but both FROM HELL and LEAGUE OF BADLY CGI'ED GENTLE'TARDS were both unmitigated, disasterous BOMBS. A: Again, retard, Alan Moore isn't making the movies. In fact, if you had the slightest fucking clue you would know that he STOPPED WORKING FOR DC COMICS SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF JOEL SILVER THE PRODUCER OF THIS MOVIE SAYING THAT MOORE WAS INVOLVED IN THE PRODUCTION. HE GIVES AWAY ALL THE ROYALTIES TO THE PEOPLE WHO WORKED WITH HIM ON THE COMICS SO AS NOT TO BE TAINTED BY FILTHY LUCRE. Q: then, i'm sure you've all heard, that Mr. Moore is going to "retire" from comics so he can >snicker< "practice witchcraft." the man ACTUALLY BELIEVES that he is a warlock. i guess that's it then... he's completely and totally lost his mind. A: Yeah, shit that would be crazy. That would be like having a school where people go to be trained how to better serve the needs of a giant magic old dude in the sky who loves everyone but if they step out of line they will be tortured for eternity. OH WAIT!!! I THINK THEY HAVE ONE OF THOSE!! Imbicile.
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I first met Alan over ten years ago, when he performed "Birth Caul". We talked in the pub afterwards and have talked on and off cince.
I have found him a very pleasant, affable man. Incredibly self depracating, clever and committed. I never leave a conversation with him without feeling changed in some way. If he wanted to start a religion for other people apart from himself, he could easily.
He has had problems with certain publishers, and draws a strong line - if he feels you have betrayed him, he'll cut you off. And his moral lines can affect other people involved with the same endeavour.
But there are few people I trust more. And there are few people in comics I like more. And there are few publishers or creators who wouldn't move mountains to work with him. -
Jun 29, 2005 2:43:59 AM CDT
"From the creators of The Matrix... who had nothing at all to do
by thefuture2000
Sigh. But AICN mysteriously continues to cover it in a blindly positive light...
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It'll look right anyway. The Wachowski's definetly have the "dark, damp, stark" thing pretty down pat. And, I'll admit that evry time I see the first Matrix stoned, I question reality pretty intensely and feel, for a moment, like a real revolution of the mind might be possible. I think, at least, that they were probably drawn to the project for the right reasons. I'm hopeful.
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I like Alan Moore's stuff, I like the Matrix (and sequels), I like Hugo Weaving (not so sure about Natalie Portman, but hey...). So it looks okay to me. One question though, I'm not really wanting to read the script beforehand so are they setting this in the UK or the USA? Because if it's the US then the Guy Fawkes thing is going to make no sense whatsoever. I've always thought that the reason V works is that it harks back to this cultic memory in the British imagination of a traitor who plotted to burn the seat of power which was actually grafted on to a fire festival taking place in the old British calendar. So it worked on both of those levels, and had this kind of mythic energy. Or so I thought, anyhoo.
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How many great, great artists and icons have been accused of being assholes and difficult to work with? John Milius has written more qoutable lines than Tarantino and he's constantly referred to as an asshole. Dylan and Van Morrison likewise. Picasso was apparently an asshole...I hear Albert Camus wasn't too much fun to be around. Orson Welles was known to be difficult, as was John Belushi and Lee Marvin. and yet all I can think about it..SO FUCKIN WHAT? Is Highway 61 any less of a great song? Is 'the Idiot' any less of a masterpiece? Is 'Make my day' a shit line now that you know Milius is 'difficult?' Jesus Christ, Tom Cruise got a guy arrested last week for squirting him with water, does that make Cocktail any worse? Actually there is no way for Cocktail to be any worse. My point is don't confuse the art with the artist. And anyway, Moore's only crime is being disdainful of people who have raped his work in order to make it palatable to the movie going masses.
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Jun 29, 2005 1:32:30 PM CDT
Zabbado, Relax (Read for Non-Insulting Clarification of My State
by zombiesolutions
1. How can we pimp out his work? that doesn't even make any sense. pimping implies ownership of the product/person to be raped. Moore owns his own work, and is whoring his work for cash, and apparently doesn't care how badly it turns out. of course, if DC owns V FOR VENDETTA, then, oh well, it's not his fault. but he clearly owns, or owned, FROM HELL and LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN. so there's no excuse for him there, other than he honestly doesn't give a shit about his work and just wants to make as much cash as he can for his... uh, (cough) "magick" ...studies. *** 2. yeah, he didn't make the horrible films, but why does he keep selling his stories to these hacks? it's as if he doesn't care. that's my criticism. i still love his comics work. i just wish he would stop pimping it out to the highest bidder. *** 3. yeah, i agree that ALL major religions are retarded too. (with the possible exception of zen buddhism 'cause it's really funny and absurdist -- the only honest "cosmic joke" relgion). that doesn't make Moore's bizarro perception that he is a warlock any less retarded. it's equally as retarded. no, it's more retarded because a man as intelligent as he is should know better. i mean, "magick"? c'mon. (of course, he could just be joking too.)
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I am really looking forward to this movie with the guy from the matrix and the girl from the professional..
Just wanted the world to know.
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I honestly think Alan Moore goes into negotiations, sells options, and otherwise markets his work hoping for the best. He has no creative control and, being just a genius from Northampton, isn't likely to get any. He then watches professional moviemakers (I use this term this in light of a recent "Bewitched review that called the movie "almost unprofessional) take stunning work like "V" and decide that since it's past 1997 they need to move the timeline to 2025 and explain Britain's fascist state by having the Axis win WWII. Rather than have rioters during the political breakdown, everybody must have a Guy Fawkes costume in the closet. Argh! Could they be more freaking obvious? I want to see this script and judge for myself just how screwed the concept is.
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Asshole? Who cares? His grounding of the super-hero mythos with Watchmen laid the groundwork for all comic book characters to be matured. "From Hell" revealed a depth of scholarship (equal to Neal Stephenson's), largely unappreciated by fan-boys (I am a fan-boy). One must make a living. It is funny how we demand that our artists be purer in their motives than we demand of ourselves.
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Jun 30, 2005 6:07:32 AM CDT
"people who have raped his work in order to make it palatable to
by maguasynfield
Thats it. Doesn't matter if the writer is a genius, dickweed or anything else. It has happened to any writer whose work falls into some one elses hands...it cannot be avoided. Moore's been unlucky, although I thought From Hell was pretty damned good. But its the nature of the business, unless you write/direct/produce, as some do. Don't see that happening to Mr. Moore.
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COUGHHELLBOYCOUGH
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you're probably right. i just feel like, after getting burned so badly the last two times that he would back off. i mean, Alan Moore stands heads and shoulders above Frank Miller, but even Miller said "fuck hollywood" until he was more or less given total creative control. (then again, that wouldn't have happened without Rodriguez being willing to say "fuck hollywood" as well). don't get me wrong, it's not like i hate Moore, he's effing brilliant, i just can't understand how he could go in and let his work get raped again. oh well. at least his comics are still great.
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Fucking derivative bullshit.
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Holly-weird needs to understand why they buy the rights to these types of things...When something has a cult fan base, they try to exploit it so they can make some money...They have screwed with some of his best and they are going to keep going...And who cares if Alan Moore is a dickhead...don't need to know him to love what he writes!!
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This movie looks awesome.
I love the old V for Vendetta comics!
And if anyone wants a free DVD of my movie called "Opie Gets Laid". Send a mailing address to: witrack@aol.com
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