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Crisis on Babylon 5: CRUSADE (now resolved)

Glen here…

Boy, did *this* pick the wrong day to come in. You ever had a day that was just plain *stupid*. A day in which everything around you seemed so hopelessly misaligned with good judgment and common sense that you began to wonder if maybe *you* were the irregular element in the scheme of things, and the rest of the world was just fine? Well, that’s the kind of day this has been. Case and point, the following message, sent in by THE SHADOW OF TECHWOOD.

SHADOW indicates that TNT is toying with the idea of making some rather substantial - and horrifying - changes to BABYLON 5’s forthcoming spinoff series CRUSADE.

BELOW: the message. Please read my comments beneath SHADOW’s message.
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"My brother was at (name of mammoth broadcasting entity deleted by Glen) and bagged a memo saying the network is trying to force Crusade to be a mindless sex-and-violence program.

Among the stuff they're demanding: to lose all references to the B5 universe because they think it'll confuse viewers…that episodes should often have aliens beaming into the ship and getting in "wild west" kinds of fist-fights, taking any excuse at all to have these fights, whether they make sense or not...that there should be "horny aliens" getting onto the ship and screwing the human characters...that there should be more technobabble that will make the ship sound more advanced.

He says they also want to have at least one regular series character be a "sexual explorer," whose job is to have sex with every alien race they meet to better understand them...they want a virtual brothel / holodeck...they want to set up the universe so that the entire human race off Earth when the Drakh plague is released start copulating like mad (religiously, kind of like a cult) to repopulate the human race, so they can constantly have people having sex round the clock.

He also told me they want to change to the Star Trek style close-fitting uniforms rather than real military uniforms to show off everyone's body.

Nothing has been set yet though, so if you run this and folks have an opinion on this, they may want to let it be known on the TNT site (follow the BabCom links) before it gets locked down."

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Glen here again.

Okay, folks.

For a while now, BABYLON 5 fans have worshiped TNT. After all, it saved BABYLON 5, enabling series creator J. Michael Straczynski to produce a much coveted fifth season, and a series of television movies based on the Babylon 5 concept. For the first time, the series was put into re-runs on a national network and was broadly advertised. For the first time, BABYLON 5 was being treated as a "real" show.

But even the best relationships can have problems. Maybe it *was* too good to be true. Do I believe the above information re: TNT’s plans is correct?

Yep - sure do. A few months back, TNT was taking some hits in Variety because a Eurpoean producer had come to TNT to pitch an ambitious miniseries based on the life of Jesus. He fled in horror, after learning of the network’s desire to turn Jesus into a dude who would fly around, and *supposedly* hurl lightening bolts out of his hands. So, yeah - it sounds like the same mentality is at work in this case.

In CRUSADE, TNT purchased a show that is very much the product of a man with a vision. And now that vision isn’t good enough? To understand the dynamics of such a circumstance, all one has to do is go to a Barnes and Noble and scoop some books off the shelf about the history of the original STAR TREK series. Sit down and read about all the trouble Gene Roddenberry had getting that show going…keeping that show going…in the face of ideas such as those allegedly being hurled towards CRUSADE by TNT. Ideas advanced by people who have no understanding of the genre with which they are dealing.

And after you’ve read all those lousy ideas, look at the original TREK series as a final product…and find the lousy and disruptive ideas suggested by those NBC executives back in the 60s. You won’t find them easily, because most of them aren’t there. Because Roddenberry and his associates did all they could to stay close to concept as it was originally conceived…the original vision NBC cared enough to back and support at one at one point in time. And thirty something years later, the series is a classic. A perfect example that sometimes, the over-all payoff and future rewards FAR outweigh the value of an immediate…but short lived…cash cow.

I’m not saying Roddenberry was a perfect visionary - not by any means. Not saying Straczynski is either. But these circumstances seem eerily similar, and those who don’t learn from history…

CRUSADE *can* work. But it will not work if forced to become something it was never meant to be. So, good fans, if any of this makes any sense to you - or moves you in any way - go to the message boards at TNT THROUGH THIS LINK (THEN FOLLOW THE BABCOM LINKS), and let them know what you feel. Be direct, be pointed, but *always* be polite. This is important.

A hint from Glen: voicing your opinions to TNT on this matter is *strongly* advised. And remember, *never* start a fight, but always finish it.

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Crusade Crisis
by Mina
Sep 8th, 1998
10:37:35 PM
Utter Nonsense
by Bob D
Sep 8th, 1998
10:54:32 PM
Re: Crusade Crisis
by coaxial
Sep 8th, 1998
11:04:25 PM
Re: Utter Nonsense
by coaxial
Sep 8th, 1998
11:13:03 PM
Sounds like a joke
by Fleegle
Sep 8th, 1998
11:20:33 PM
Early April Fools?
by Chris Andersen
Sep 8th, 1998
11:24:11 PM
Ridiculous
by EvilKosh
Sep 8th, 1998
11:50:35 PM
Glen's report is true, people
by Logan 26
Sep 9th, 1998
12:17:10 AM
Balderdash. There are better falsities at www.urbanlegends.com
by Chairboy
Sep 9th, 1998
12:33:48 AM
additional targets
by cripster
Sep 9th, 1998
01:31:55 AM
sex in the B5 universe
by ASCII Boy
Sep 9th, 1998
03:03:39 AM
Protesting to TNT
by scott
Sep 9th, 1998
04:21:42 AM
This is like a bad USENET troll
by Count Zero
Sep 9th, 1998
04:59:07 AM
TNT email server
by scott
Sep 9th, 1998
05:09:27 AM
Get a grip!
by Torm
Sep 9th, 1998
06:10:50 AM
I had a good laugh
by david
Sep 9th, 1998
07:39:11 AM
Entertainment reporting
by dastinson
Sep 9th, 1998
07:46:45 AM
Why be shocked?
by Shad
Sep 9th, 1998
09:27:33 AM
Crusade?
by Jack Nichols
Sep 9th, 1998
09:29:42 AM
BABYLON 5 CRUSADE
by ASLAN
Sep 9th, 1998
09:33:38 AM
TNT's "Meddling in B5 Crusade"
by michael
Sep 9th, 1998
09:48:06 AM
Ive got it!
by Torm
Sep 9th, 1998
10:27:20 AM
Life with Networks
by Scribbler
Sep 9th, 1998
10:50:07 AM
What a load of bollocks
by Broome
Sep 9th, 1998
11:00:10 AM
Crusade in the 25th Century
by Traveller
Sep 9th, 1998
11:13:25 AM
What a load of garbage
by Meridian
Sep 9th, 1998
11:38:11 AM
The Memo
by Joe Straczynski
Sep 9th, 1998
12:43:23 PM
Spoof Warning
by Chris Andersen
Sep 9th, 1998
01:19:35 PM
JMS spoof
by Gandalf The Grey
Sep 9th, 1998
01:47:04 PM
Let's see here ...
by Joe Straczynski
Sep 9th, 1998
02:07:21 PM
B5 spinoffs
by Monster Zero
Sep 9th, 1998
02:41:55 PM
Ha Ha Very Funny
by Lance Heiskell
Sep 9th, 1998
02:58:42 PM
I dont think so
by daphonz
Sep 9th, 1998
03:23:34 PM
Memo is real
by Logan
Sep 9th, 1998
04:12:59 PM
Just A Demonstration
by Joe Straczynski
Sep 9th, 1998
04:16:13 PM
Re: Spoof Warning
by coaxial
Sep 9th, 1998
04:21:02 PM
I've read about your new Babylon 5 series that's coming out. . .
by Kelly Crutcher
Sep 9th, 1998
04:27:31 PM
New characters n' stuff
by Mina
Sep 9th, 1998
05:14:16 PM
The JMS Post is Real
by Wiz33
Sep 9th, 1998
05:42:56 PM
Let's wait
by Frankel
Sep 9th, 1998
05:51:44 PM
JMS & Crusade
by jennifer
Sep 9th, 1998
06:08:36 PM
jms & crusade
by jennifer
Sep 9th, 1998
06:13:30 PM
Crusade crapola
by marlowe2
Sep 9th, 1998
06:19:33 PM
Uh huh and...
by grant
Sep 9th, 1998
07:11:26 PM
Oh Please!!!
by Supreme Inquisitor
Sep 9th, 1998
07:26:20 PM
B5:Crusade rumor
by H T Werbie
Sep 9th, 1998
08:07:23 PM
Yes and No
by C Scipio
Sep 9th, 1998
08:29:56 PM
TNT's Strategy On This One
by Craig Riekena
Sep 9th, 1998
08:36:41 PM
Awaiting word from JMS
by dalan
Sep 9th, 1998
08:42:25 PM
so-called rumormongering
by Striderman
Sep 9th, 1998
08:58:31 PM
Shocked, shocked
by Cer
Sep 9th, 1998
09:07:16 PM
Could Be
by Grendel
Sep 9th, 1998
09:23:16 PM
Crusade and TNT
by vino
Sep 9th, 1998
09:31:37 PM
Sex, Violence & B5
by Frank
Sep 9th, 1998
10:13:30 PM
what to take seriously
by ASCII Boy
Sep 10th, 1998
02:39:13 AM
In Jest there is Truth
by rachel
Sep 10th, 1998
07:35:01 AM
Concerning lies, truths and rumours.
by Aris Katsaris
Sep 10th, 1998
07:38:20 AM
History suggests...
by JB Midnight
Sep 10th, 1998
07:39:12 AM
Re: what to take seriously (from coaxial)
by coaxial
Sep 10th, 1998
07:54:31 AM
Rumors, Bargains and Lies (NOT the episode)
by AB
Sep 10th, 1998
07:55:16 AM
The Network Sez......
by KB
Sep 10th, 1998
07:59:17 AM
LOL....This is NOT news.
by The Crusader
Sep 10th, 1998
08:27:32 AM
Wait.
by Ral Lecarde
Sep 10th, 1998
08:42:52 AM
Re: LOL....This is NOT news (from COAXIAL)
by coaxial
Sep 10th, 1998
08:45:27 AM
Your point...
by The Crusader
Sep 10th, 1998
09:04:00 AM
BABYLON 5
by anewrorth
Sep 10th, 1998
09:12:48 AM
It's not as bad as you think
by Joe Straczynski
Sep 10th, 1998
09:14:10 AM
Official Word
by The Crusader
Sep 10th, 1998
09:17:25 AM
on confirmations (from Coaxial)
by coaxial
Sep 10th, 1998
09:25:40 AM
Oooh...secret sources
by marlowe2
Sep 10th, 1998
09:30:53 AM
TNT response
by MES
Sep 10th, 1998
09:35:00 AM
JMS "spoof"
by David Smith
Sep 10th, 1998
09:55:10 AM
TNT's Statement (from Coaxial)
by coaxial
Sep 10th, 1998
09:55:53 AM
Oh yeah? I heard a rumor too...
by Chairboy
Sep 10th, 1998
10:11:32 AM
JMS comments
by John K
Sep 10th, 1998
10:40:48 AM
Reasons for skepticism
by Chris Andersen
Sep 10th, 1998
10:47:36 AM
TV brings out the dummies
by Shad
Sep 10th, 1998
10:50:17 AM
JMS *did* post on CompuServe last night
by Rae
Sep 10th, 1998
11:25:22 AM
B5 fuss
by Spitfire
Sep 10th, 1998
11:45:54 AM
Credibility
by JB Midnight
Sep 10th, 1998
11:46:05 AM
Good, that worked...
by John K
Sep 10th, 1998
12:03:40 PM
Crusade
by truth
Sep 10th, 1998
01:20:56 PM
new changes.
by tkip
Sep 10th, 1998
01:35:03 PM
on a positive note......
by The Crusader
Sep 10th, 1998
01:38:36 PM
JMS didn't want to do Crusade??
by marlowe2
Sep 10th, 1998
02:10:50 PM
Reply to article about 'Crusade' Crisis
by Bill Swallow
Sep 10th, 1998
02:14:52 PM
searching for a company
by Darth Rabinowitz
Sep 10th, 1998
02:35:26 PM
My 2 credits
by Joe Biles
Sep 10th, 1998
02:46:14 PM
Precedents
by Zahir Blue
Sep 10th, 1998
02:56:51 PM
Who owns Crusade?
by ETR
Sep 10th, 1998
03:08:21 PM
jms on comuserve confirms glens story
by andy jackson
Sep 10th, 1998
03:37:30 PM
ignore the title of my previous post
by andy jackson
Sep 10th, 1998
03:46:33 PM
It's true
by Logan
Sep 10th, 1998
03:46:36 PM
Calm down...
by Adam
Sep 10th, 1998
04:19:48 PM
rebuttal
by Shad
Sep 10th, 1998
04:21:52 PM
Please think clearly on this - it's to catch a leak
by theone
Sep 10th, 1998
04:28:45 PM
Hm.
by Jeffrey and Catherine Sakai
Sep 10th, 1998
04:33:07 PM
re: rebuttal
by The Crusader
Sep 10th, 1998
04:38:44 PM
crusade
by Diane
Sep 10th, 1998
04:47:47 PM
Memo Specifics (from COAXIAL)
by coaxial
Sep 10th, 1998
05:18:35 PM
Uhhh....
by Jeffrey and Catherine Sakai
Sep 10th, 1998
05:18:47 PM
ATTN: ROSENCRANTZ!!!(from COAXIAL)
by coaxial
Sep 10th, 1998
05:25:35 PM
It's NOT "to catch a leak" (from COAXIAL)
by coaxial
Sep 10th, 1998
05:30:44 PM
TNT official comment
by ETR
Sep 10th, 1998
07:51:44 PM
Authenticity
by Jimmy Ho
Sep 10th, 1998
09:45:10 PM
A Few Comments
by Don
Sep 10th, 1998
11:49:37 PM
Mixed feelings
by RandomRanger
Sep 10th, 1998
11:59:27 PM
Have you read this closely
by Partha Mittra
Sep 11th, 1998
06:15:05 AM
Anything is possible...
by RandomRanger
Sep 11th, 1998
06:31:49 AM
Context
by Badger
Sep 11th, 1998
07:48:50 AM
Here's what WB has done before...
by JB Midnight
Sep 11th, 1998
08:33:55 AM
Wait! Ask JMS!!!
by Pat Connors
Sep 11th, 1998
08:35:32 AM
JMS Out?
by The Crusader
Sep 11th, 1998
09:09:30 AM
Really, Internet Shopping Network says that JMS is out. What a
by RandomRanger
Sep 11th, 1998
09:14:07 AM
Calm Down
by Pat Connors
Sep 11th, 1998
09:17:36 AM
Re: JMS out? (from COAXIAL)
by coaxial
Sep 11th, 1998
09:26:34 AM
....bad feeling.....
by The Crusader
Sep 11th, 1998
09:34:39 AM
don't worry about the TNT chat server...
by RandomRanger
Sep 11th, 1998
09:39:59 AM
Holographic Brothels and Such
by Media Savant
Sep 11th, 1998
09:49:51 AM
B5-DS9 incident
by jeffty
Sep 11th, 1998
10:17:38 AM
actually, I believe that DS9...
by RandomRanger
Sep 11th, 1998
10:29:08 AM
Sources
by Meridian
Sep 11th, 1998
10:33:28 AM
TNT having ideas
by Dusty Sayers
Sep 11th, 1998
11:20:25 AM
Why this memo's hard to believe for me...
by RandomRanger
Sep 11th, 1998
12:08:52 PM
Trek vs. Crusade...
by RandomRanger
Sep 11th, 1998
01:54:41 PM
2nd hand news - Sex on Crusade
by The Crusader
Sep 11th, 1998
02:05:08 PM
From COAXIAL: JMS *not* leaving & other news
by coaxial
Sep 11th, 1998
02:34:15 PM
"Call" Composer Spelling Correction (From COAXIAL)
by coaxial
Sep 11th, 1998
02:56:45 PM
What I think happened was...
by Blair Leatherwood
Sep 11th, 1998
04:39:41 PM
Re: What I think happened was (from COAXIAL)
by coaxial
Sep 11th, 1998
05:22:10 PM
The Mad Mad TnT Bab5 memo
by Kevin A Murphy
Sep 11th, 1998
07:15:43 PM
Sample Letter to TNT
by L Pittenger
Sep 11th, 1998
08:07:53 PM
B5 rumour
by Stu
Sep 11th, 1998
08:15:10 PM
Babylo n 5:Crusade....what if?
by Roger Johnson
Sep 12th, 1998
10:24:43 AM
Bloody Hell! B5 Midsummer nightmare!
by Will Shakespeare
Sep 12th, 1998
01:08:48 PM
Re: Day 4: The Reality
by coaxial
Sep 12th, 1998
03:41:21 PM
Voyager get some competition
by Frank
Sep 14th, 1998
06:08:44 AM
Crusade (obviously)...
by RandomRanger
Sep 14th, 1998
10:02:49 PM
WHy worry?
by Edward M Schaefer
Sep 15th, 1998
08:42:37 AM
good question...
by RandomRanger
Sep 15th, 1998
08:59:14 AM
Re: Good Question
by Edward M Schaefer
Sep 15th, 1998
08:40:31 PM
B5 "Crusade" Rape
by Kenneth Achord
Sep 16th, 1998
10:28:46 PM
Hanoi Jane???
by RandomRanger
Sep 16th, 1998
10:44:54 PM
afterthought...
by RandomRanger
Sep 16th, 1998
10:51:13 PM
jms
by rasputin
Sep 18th, 1998
12:44:01 AM
Any presss is good press
by Rattlefish
Sep 18th, 1998
09:40:17 AM
Rumors
by Endymion
Sep 18th, 1998
12:41:50 PM
Coax, I really was looking for answers...
by Eric G
Sep 18th, 1998
02:22:19 PM
TNT&CRUSADE (from Coaxial)
by coaxial
Sep 18th, 1998
03:56:12 PM
Crusade
by Paul Rana
Sep 20th, 1998
05:30:21 AM
Hindsight is 20/20
by RyanNock
Jul 11th, 1999
12:43:25 AM
Babylon 5 is Alive
by seppukudkurosawa
May 29th, 2006
01:30:41 AM
Just like Johnny Five!
by Wolfpack
May 29th, 2006
10:34:32 AM

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