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MasterWhedon devours Burton's CHARLIE AND THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY!
Hey folks, Harry here... oh man... oh man oh man oh man. If this flick is wonderful too, then this summer... man, this summer, it's just insane. Quint's review of WAR OF THE WORLDS has me dying. But, the best Burton film since EDWARD SCISSORHANDS? I thought that was ED WOOD. Heh. There is a magic that happens when Burton and Depp step out onto silver screen together. This is such a wicked curiousity for me. Now if only FANTASTIC FOUR was to shock the hell out of me and make me a true believer.
Harry, Mori, Quint, etc...
Thought you might be interested to know I went to a screening of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory the other night.
The long an short of it is that, for my money, this is Tim Burton’s best overall film since Edward Scissorhands.
It helps rather greatly that the story is classic, the characters are so rich and the world so textured. John August deserves a pat on the back for structuring the screenplay as is. It might not be the heaviest of lifting, but he helps craft something very different than what we’ve seen before.
On that note, I know many of you will come to the film bearing negative notions, basing far too much on childhood treasures and memories of Gene Wilder. My only advice is, well...
Turn off your targeting computer. Let go, Luke.
This is a different film. It doesn’t intend to supplant the original, but sit along side it with a silly grin on its face. And it deserves a seat. It stays true to the story, honors it, then goes on the slightest of well-earned departures.
I didn’t care for the trailers for this film. They showed everything in quick glimpses and shifty edits, and this is a movie that needs to be savored in long licks, like the finest of candies.
That’s what I like about Burton, that he takes time to do things and do them right. He believes in long takes and art design and intricate planning, and the result is always a deftly-constructed world that fits the story while belonging solely to its creator.
The entire first act of the film is perfect. And I don’t say that lightly. Everything is done/shown/said/heard exactly as it should be. The rest of the film is great too, but the first act is truly flawless.
Furthermore, I would say that this film is near perfect on a technical level. With the small exception of Violet’s transformation into a blueberry and the Wonkavator sequence, the CG, miniature and matte work is impressive and seamless.
Charlie and the other children, along with their parents, are incredibly well cast and executed. They’ve all been updated into something just left of present day reality and each is given a handful of great moments. Charlie will break your heart (more than once). Violet’s mom will make you howl. And Mike TV is a great critique of the Ritalin generation.
As for Johnny himself, I suspect this is where the debate will arise. Some will prefer Gene over Johnny, some vice versa. I, for one, like them both and don’t really give a hoot who’s “better.” Johnny’s very strong here. He plays Wonka as some odd mix of Michael Jackson and a ride operator at Disney. He plays him as if he’s up to something, like he knows more than he’s letting on. It’s a very well realized performance.
Finally, Danny Elfman’s score is astounding. If there’s justice in this world, an Oscar nomination will be in his near future. What I like so much is that he’s developed his own language in terms of orchestration, much like John Williams, where you hear bits and pieces that sound like Scissorhands or Batman or Spider-Man, but then you’re whisked off into something that’s entirely new yet entirely familiar. Really, really well done.
And the Oompa Loompa songs are great too.
My favorite quote ever is from the original Willy Wonka: “We are the makers or music and we are the dreamers of dreams.”
Does that sound like Tim Burton to anyone else?
-MasterWhedon
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hope this film really is good.... it has to be really, otherwise it will never get off the ground as people will unfavourably compare it to the original.
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...the filmmaker? I've always wondered if many of the reviewers here at AICN are filmmakers themselves, and it wouldn't surprise me. So I have a few wishes: I would like Tim Burton to chime in on Batman Begins, I'd LOVE J.J Abrams to give his two cents on the Superman Returns by Harris and Dougherty, and it'd be a total thrill to read Peter Jacksons take on War of the Worlds, and Spielbergs take on King Kong come december. Which other filmmakers should be cool to see reviewing certain films?
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are hot.
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"We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of the dream. Wandering by lone sea breakers, and sitting by desolate streams. World losers and world forsaken, for whom the pale moon gleams. Yet we are movers and the shakers of the world forever it seems."
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I'm determined to make people aware of this (sorry for those who already are), or die trying. Oh well, it was a good life. :^)
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where in norway are you from? I would love to hear scorsese on for instance WoW.
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But that violet is Bangeable!
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Jun 24, 2005 6:30:35 AM CDT
You know it's summer when the place is covered in PLANTS.
by fletch f fletch
Forage. Greenery. Roots and stems. This, amigos, is a potted plant, and a dull one at that.
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if you assholes actually bothered to read other people's opinions rather than nstantly write down whatever dumb, boring and repetitive statements come into yor mind you'd realise that: 1) The reviewer admits to there being a few problems here and there and 2) The reviewer reguarly chimes in (intelligently may i add) on TBs, but you wouldn't know that cause you're too busy trying to claim first post. Dipshits. As a Burton fan i'm still going to approach with caution just so if it really is good then I can be blown away like a kid again. I'm not expecting a POTA-like disaster but more of a fear of a Big Fish mediocrity.
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I am from the capital. Oslo.
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And I have too much of a hangover from the Spurs win to check that spelling.
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I wanted to see this movie so badly. Fan of the Wilder version, fan of the book, fan of movies like this! Than I saw the most recent trailer. and PLOP. There went all my hopes. My girlfriends too... it has to be the crappiest trailer ever. Makes them all look stupid. Wonka looked good for one seen, veruca one scene (that that squirrel thing was HORRIBLE) like they all gave you a glimpse of what you think they should be like for 2 seconds... but then the whole trailer basically brings it the other way. HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE. Only one was Charlie who looked ok all through. But... now I will wait for DVD for this, unless it gets spectacular reviews. Not from this site of course, because this site is full of fanboy geeks, but in general. I don't think it can be bad, because of burton and depp.. but man that trailer is now making me think it is.
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he hates you all.
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Crapiest movie...ever!!!
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That's great, so am I. First norwegian I've met on the site. Maybe we know each other. Age? Where in oslo?
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eaten by A PLANT.
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doesn't mean I have to agree with him, considering I usually don't on the other TBs he contributes to. Off topic issues here: writers and directors commenting on their peer's movies would be a waste of time. they would just sit around kissing each others asses. And to the two Norwegians looking for love, take your budding romance over to match.com please.
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Jun 24, 2005 9:21:48 AM CDT
I can't wait for this turd. If not just for the fact that f
by hypeendshere
When the fuck did Depp become the new Streep?
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Roald Dahl, who wrote Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, had norwegian parents. So that makes the whole 'norway'-thing in here a tiny bit relevant. And to Colonel Blimp; Jeg skriver for et norsk filmnettsted. Hvem vet om vi kjenner hverandre, kan godt hende. Liten by. N
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LET'S HAVE A THREESOME CAKED IN LUTEFISK AND OTHER DISGUSTING FOODS!! Joking. This movie looks decent. Pretty much the only comment I get out of people is that they want to see Depp as Wonka because they think it's casting perfection. Who can blame them?
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It still sounds good and Depp is on a hot streak at the mo, now if i could only be bothered to go an see it.
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Say the music numbers sucked? Looks like this one shares the same geographic/accent dislocation as the Wilder version.
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PLEASE stop with the abbreviations. It sounds STUPID, not hip.
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Burton's a mixed bag and he does seem more concerned at times with production design than storytelling. But he has an interesting sensibility and seems more at home tackling a quirky story like this than APES or BIG FISH. And Depp as Wacko Jacko: splendid.
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Jun 24, 2005 10:09:07 AM CDT
It's "We are the music makers...and we are the dreamers of d
by matthooper8
I don't think I've ever seen such a botched quote.
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Honestly, this movie looks EXACTLY like the original, with the slight difference that Johnny Depp's performance looks absolutely dreadful. Seriously, what's the point? You just can't top Gene Wilder. If Burton was going to make this movie, it would have been far more interesting to cast Christopher Walken.
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"Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" was the first "real" book I remember reading more than once as a kid, and I'm a Burton fan from his Pee Wee days, so I am looking forward to this. I'm really glad the reviewer was jazzed about the first act since I really don't enjoy the first act of the "Willy Wonka" movie much. Take out "Candyman" and "Cheer up Charlie" (or whatever his mom's song is called), and it improves the movie significantly. God bless DVD! The trailer doesn't do much for me, but knowing the source material and trusting Burton and Depp, I expect to really enjoy this version as least as much as I did the first (once Gene Wilder appeared on screen).
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good lord..if its a positive review, out come the "clever" pun-filled plant posts...and if its negative, then the reviewer is an idiot who doesn't understand the greatness of the genre.
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Many of Burton's 80s films are certainly dated (sorry guys, but his Batman just doesn't hold up - Joker dancing to Prince? come on.) Ed Wood was definitely a high point and Apes was definitely a low point. But Big Fish was an excellent film that showed Burton had grown up somewhat. It might seem sentimental but if you get the father/son thing and the nature of storytelling, it works on so many levels. And who can deny Ewan McGregor's winning smile? And at the risk of repeating many others, why do people post if they don't care about a film? You can have a negative opinion of something you care about, but if you're totally indifferent, why do you waste your time posting? I for one am looking forward to Charlie.
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...or does Jonny Depp look EXACTLY like Alyssa Milano in this flick?
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I can't trust anyone who thinks Edward Scissorhands was Tim Burton's last good movie. That move was so sentimentally sweet I'm a diabetic now. He's hit or miss as a director. Pee Wee, Beetlejuice, and Ed Wood are among my favorite movie ever (of all movies); everything else is forgettable, including Batman, which now really looks lame when compared to the new Batman Begins.
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After Batman, Tim Burton tends to phone in his work if he's a hired gun on a project. That's why this movie seems iffy to me. You could tell Burton's heart wasn't in it with Planet of the Apes ... and I don't think his heart was in for this film, either. I'd prefer him to do films he wants to do, like Ed Wood and Sleepy Hollow, because he excels when it's his vision through and through.
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Why all this diabetes-inducing love for the 70's version? It sucks. It really really sucks. Bad direction, a lot of bad acting, bad writing, BAD songs. The only things that are ok is wilder and the production design. Just watch it again boys. You're all clouded by the memory of childhood. Freddie Highmore has more talent in his little finger than that creepy grey-haired kid from the wilder version. This is going to be a much better film, and depp is going to be awesome.
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The Wilder film was mostly dreadful. If this one sticks just a little bit closer to the story Dahl told and has fewer orange midgets in it then it will be well worth seeing. The best thing that the music from that 70's film did was give Homer Simpson a riff for "The Garbageman" in Trash of the Titans. The rest was awful, just awful.
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I agree with Whedon's comment about Depp as Michael Jackson. No thank you. Creepfest.
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I got a golden ticket. Oh wait, nevermind. I just drenched my trousers.
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I loved the first movie, but one thing I remember... it took my like 6 years to get around to watching it. Everytime it started, I would watch the beginning and think I was watching Oliver Twist or The Pianist or something... so I wouldn't sit around and wait for the tour ride. I think I finally ended up watching it all the way through at the age of 12... and by then I was hooked... but a young kid had to survive the beginning in "poverty land" before their eyes light up. Gene Wilder is the man. I can't wait for this movie.
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Personally Tim Burton is my favorite director of all time. all his movies have some wierd dark edge to him. Beatlejuice is my favorite movies of all time. the trailer was kind of weak for this though. but that isnt stopping me. i know burton is going to pull this off, and if he cant do it then no one would of been able too.
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but you don't give one example as to why. Thats not the way to write a review.
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...this film doesn't have it, neither the song itself or the concept. All you have to do to get the perfect version is cut the original movie. So out goes 'Cheer up Charlie' and the silliest scenes of the 'hunt for the golden tickets'. Voila - nearly ten minutes of tripe gone and the perfect kid's movie. Burton should be institutionalised. After the genius of TNBC he really has hit the skids.
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Jun 24, 2005 12:08:11 PM CDT
for all the talk of this version being truer to the original boo
by timbenzedrine
Depp's portrayal of Wonka seems totally off the mark. Couldn't they at least make him look like the character in the book? What few lines I've seen Depp deliver in the trailers have been awful "You're really Weird"? please. Burton, there was no reason to reinvent the character as some flamboyant drag queen in a page boy wig. You're never going to top the Wilder Wonka, so you may as well have given us Dahl's Wonka. That would have made us all happy.
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Wilder looked soft and approchable. Depp looks downright scary. I'm 26 and I think he looks freaking scary (keep in mind, I'm someone who jumps at the sight of MJ's mug shot). Furthermore, I don't care how bad the old one is in peoples' perceptions. The fact that special effects in this day and age are the rule, not the exception, makes us all extremely spoiled. We're cynical if things don't have an extra flash or bang, because, you know, they can. There was something special to me about the old version. Something a little freaky, but not too much. Something a little innocent, but knowing. Brightly colored, but not shallow. So maybe YOU don't like that, I don't care. The fact is, the new one means nothing to me. Depp? Ha. Burton? So what. Willy Wonka is not some insane cross between Michael Jackson and Marilyn Manson. He's childlike, sure, but he doesn't have to wear it on his sleeve. Actions speak louder than costumes and makeup or 2005-grade special effects. So, this movie ain't a big draw for me. More power to those of you who can look it with less cynicism than me, though.
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Tim Burton's obsessed with the creepy macob. It's supposed to be a magical story, not disturbing. Willy Wonka supposed to have semi-long blonde hair. It's like that in all the drawings and original movie. Here he looks like Micheal Jackson because Johnny Depp is Burton's friend. Yeah, So he forcefully puts him in any role because they're friends. So blonde hair wouldn't look good on Depp? Well ok we'll just make Willy Wonka's look around Depps. How bout not putting your best friend in every movie you make and casting someone who fits the part? Hmm
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...on the quote. That's one of those I must've been saying wrong for years. Silly me.
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Jun 24, 2005 12:23:56 PM CDT
Tim Burton's next project is called the ghetto black man, st
by orionsangels
Heck cast him everything! Like he's the only actor on Earth
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Heck, if he had played it more like Ed Wood with a Salvidor Dali moustache he would have been closer to the source material.
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im pretty new to this site and all i here from people is negative remarks about eveything. granite you cant like everything, but why does everyone just critisize everything. are people that pissed at the world that they just cant give things a chance. people just here certain things and half to be pissed about eveything. why bother doing anything if everything just sucks anyways. come on people live alittle and stop crying about everything.
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If Burton was trying to make some kind of Michael Jackson reference in this film, I think it's going to be totally lost on today's kid's. Most kids have no memory of Michael Jackson's glory days. My eleven year old only knows him as "that strange man that looks like a vampire."(his comment)
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...then the pod people must've just gotten to him, because I've read his often thoughtful and critical insights in many a talkback and, although I don't always agree with him, he's one of the rare coherent and open-minded posters on this site. In this instance, he's just a guy who liked a movie and possesses the ability to tell us why. Now would someone please tell me what the hell "macob" is supposed to mean? Did Orionsangels mean to type "macabre?" And is lofe101 really talking about rocks in his post or should we read "granite" as "granted?" I don't mean to come off like a grammar Nazi, but some folks really never should have gotten hooked on phonics.
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Jun 24, 2005 1:18:48 PM CDT
"Why, does he feed them Wine Gums and lick their heads?"
by right bastard
Candy is dandy. but liquor is quicker :D
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As for all the other would-be critics out there...writing/reviewing is tough work. You goddamned naysayers should try to be a little more positive.
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sorry childe roland, im at work and have to type quick (yes GRANTED). im just wondering why people are on this site, make post's and everything they say is negative. they even complain about how the write ups are. why? i dont allways agree with eveything but some people are rediculous.
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I have to say Gene Wilder's Wonka is just as creepy in tone and action as Depp's appears to be. He's either all business, all menace, or all froth, and sometimes all of them once. Remember the freak out scene on the boat? Wilder let his Wonka's unbalanced nature really surge out to frighten not only his guests but folks in the theaters as well. The trick will be if Depp's Wonka provides the same thing, menacing not only to the kids in the film but those of us outside of it. So far from the trailers all we've seen is how "weird" Depp's Wonka can be. But I'm game. Even Burton's mistakes are more entertaining than other directors' so-called sucesses.
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So the bitch-slapping and name calling commences once more. Sigh. Why all the cattiness? If you're not interested in seeing the movie, then don't see it. If you didn't like the previews, then, well, good for you. More power to you. One wonders, though: if you don't like Burton and/or are uninterested in seeing the movie, why bother even posting? Do you really have nothing better to do with your time? What is it about your life that causes you to lash out anonymously online at something you haven't even seen and know little about? Would you review a book you've never read? It's okay to say, in that instance, that you don't care for the author, and therefore didn't read his book. That's all you could reasonably do, and the same logic applies to movies. Don't talk about things to which you know nothing about.
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...this shit will push the poor lad over the edge. Neighborhood dogs and cats are gonna start disappearing at an alarming rate; mark my words...
But, in all seriousness, I really feel sorry for that kid.
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Huh? Is that really in the original movie? It makes no sense! No sense!
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All of you. This is my first post and it will be my last. Everyone who posts here is a jerk. Everyone who actually reads the shit written on this site is a jerk. And yes, I realise that by posting this, I too have become a jerk, but at least I *have* realised it. I will never come back to this site. And by the way, being a 'geek' is NOT something to be proud of. Seriously, you guys are all pathetic jerks. I would pity you if you didn't disgust me so much. Don't bother replying, I won't be around to read your futile attempts to defend your worthless existences.
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I want his address so I can send him $5k in appreciation of his observation...but shit, he aint coming back! Oh, well then.
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it is actually "a little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest MEN". the music makers quote follows an exchange something like this:
wonka: the snozzberries taste like snozzberries!
veruca: snozzberries? who ever heard of a snozzberry?
wonka: (grabbing veruca's face) we are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams. -
My Norwegian's a little rusty, but: De er en dum retardert apekatt. V
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well, the audio version anyway, as read by the man himself, Roald Dahl. From what I've seen of this, it has the *potential* to be rather a good adaptation (not a big fan of the old film, for one thing I didn't like that charlie and Grandpa Joe actually succumbed to temptation in the bubble room thing-way to miss the point guys.......). Willy wonka is a somewhat unhinged person, and as long as Depp doesn't TOTALLY ham it up he'll be cool (though he looks too young, I know he's over 40 but he looks SO much younger). I just wanna know more about the oompa loompa songs. Are they directly taken from the wonderful couplet-poems in the books like sonme of the songs in James and the Giant Peach were? the Book oompa loompas weren't the scary stoic freaks from the wilder film, they were just a bit wild and took a gleeful pleasure in the untimely demise of whichever horrible child had just met its fate with a suitably nasty piece of verse.
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Jun 24, 2005 5:42:45 PM CDT
I criticize for several reasons. 1. I'm a cynic 2. I'm n
by orionsangels
5. to piss off the critic who liked it and to point out the reasons why he's a dummy to like it in the first place.
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And every person who calls out a plant isn't clever. However, the is one constant in the AICN universe and that "FIRST!!!111one11" posters are douchebags. Wouldn't it be 'cooler' to just post something about the topic and if you happen to be first people will actually look at your handle and say "Wow, that guy was first and didn't mention it. He's really cool. I want to please him, orally."? Anyway, This looks like a clever kids film. I'm assuming it's a kids film. Either that or it's a film to get wasted over. And surprise, Elfman's doing the music. Even Spielberg made at least one movie without Williams.
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The man had taste.
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Jun 24, 2005 9:07:26 PM CDT
"one constant in the AICN universe and that "FIRST!!!111one11" p
by orionsangels
ain't that the truth brutha. that made my day, haha.
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To answer Fatkraken, yes, the Oompa-Loompas songs in CatCF will use the original lyrics from the book.
And thankfully, there will be no stealing of Fizzy Lifting Drinks. That's what really messed the 1971 movie up for me; I couldn't believe they didn't understand that Charlie's character is supposed to remain completely innocent and pure of heart throughout the ENTIRE tale... Otherwise, Wonka would never have chosen him to take over the factory.
Man, I can't wait to see this more faithful adaptation of the book!
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For all you Plant haters out there... Plant!
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Live action Invader Zim movie in 2009.
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Jun 25, 2005 1:55:01 AM CDT
The reason we're all being negative towards this REMAKE (yes
by frankdrebin
not pure imagination. Every scene in the various trailers follows the original movie, so I think the claim that this is based on the book and not the movie is just to avoid giving a percentage of the profits to the original screenwriter. I'll wait and buy a used copy at Blockbuster ("Mmmm...scratchtastic!").
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Jun 25, 2005 2:07:33 AM CDT
Speaking of INVADER ZIM, in the store today I saw a dvd box set
by frankdrebin
there was only one disc inside, with nothing but "bonus features" on it. No episodes, just "bonus features". How can it be a "bonus" disc if there are no other discs with it?! So, beware!
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"Every scene in the various trailers follows the original movie"....funny, 'cause I don't remember the SQUIRRELS in the wilder movie. Or the Great Glass Elevator breaking through the roof. the only bits I could see that are in both the wilder movie and this one are, funnily enough ALSO IN THE DAMN BOOK.
just because a source material has been filmed before does not make every other interpretation of that material a remake. the new Narnia film is not a remake of that old animated monstrosity, or of the BBC series. The several DOZEN versions of the wizard of oz are not all remakes of the earliest version (from 1910?). It's only a remake if it either very deliberately follows an ealier movie that DIDN'T stick to the source material, or if he only source material IS an earlier movie. -
Jun 25, 2005 9:55:16 AM CDT
you don't remember the Wonkavator breaking through the roof
by hypeendshere
As for Dahl not liking the 71 version: everyone's entitled to be wrong.
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Danny Elfman doesn't orchestrate the music he writes, he hands it to Steve Bartek who does it for him. And Elfman's not the only one who works this way.
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Jun 25, 2005 10:34:01 AM CDT
You know how you know it's a plant? They never cuss or say i
by heywood jablomie
A real-person poster might say, "The laughs in Joe Dirt are as sparse as Bea Arthur's cunt hairs!" Or go off on some nutty violent/sexual/politically incorrect toot about something or other. The studio plants, notice, are always *extremely well behaved.* Sometiems they prettend to misspel things. But basically they do what they're paid to--DISINFORMATIONIZE!
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Jun 25, 2005 10:42:13 AM CDT
You're right, there was no cheap "Don't touch those squi
by frankdrebin
If Burton is such a fan of Dahl's writing, why isn't he adapting The Fantastic Mr. Fox, or The Twits, or The Gremlins, or one of Dahl's dozen other unadapted children's books, or one of Dahl's adult novels, or one of Dahl's short stories from his 20 or so collections? Like Burton's Planet Of The Apes, this is a completely unnecessary remake which will change--but not improve--on the original. I'm being so negative because this movie is nothing but a manufactured 'product'. All movies aim to make a profit, but the original made the effort to be...original. Burton has the talent to be original, but is choosing not to be.
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You know, Tim Burton hasn't been on this project as long as it has been in the works. Felicity Dahl has been working for over a *decade* to find the right writer, director, and actors to bring a *faithful* rendition of her husband's book to the screen. Felicity is doing it for the sake of her husband, who hated the 1971 film (yes, he wrote the first draft of the script, but David Seltzer rewrote it as a ghostwriter).
*** Dahl was well-known for his double entendre and wicked sense of humor. The "squirrel's nuts" line is in keeping with Dahl's great humor. I'm hoping they keep the lickable wallpaper in there, including Wonka's mention of snozzberries.... 'cause for those who have read all of Dahl's book, the mention of "snozzberry" is probably the most perverted thing in the CatCF book.
*** Yes, the Great Glass Elevator is seen shooting through the roof in the 1971 film. But I really don't even like to call it the Great Glass Elevator as it seems to be more of the Great Gold Elevator with a few windows.
*** Dahl was not wrong in hating the 1971 film. David Seltzer committed character assassination by having Charlie steal Fizzy Lifting Drinks. The entire added subplot *changed* the spirit and message of the book; it didn't respect it.
*** At least any additions Burton has made in this movie (based on trailers, TV spots, reviews, and news articles) have been in accordance to the spirit and message of the book. Even Felicity Dahl herself has admitted that adapting a book to screen requires some additions (the book by itself isn't enough to make a feature-length film) and she has approved all the additions made. Oh, and they're additions, not changes, unlike what occurred in the 1971 film. *** Joy -
There are two version of the Zim DVD house available: one with the entire series run on DVD, and one with only the bonus DVD. This is so fans that had already bought the DVDs as they came out can buy the house along with the extras DVD to hold them without having to purchase all the DVDs they already have. It's actually a nice courtesy they provide for the fans that were on-board from the start.
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I think the word you are looking for is "macabre." Don't worry, you don't have to pronounce it "mackabray."
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my bad. Been a long time since I saw it, I think I usually stopped at the bubbles scene, 'cause it genuinely worried me and gave me a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach- charlie should have been PERFECT and untemptable, and here he is, just as bad as the spoilt rich brats.....it made me so sad.
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Jun 25, 2005 9:10:08 PM CDT
no squirrels in the first one. also, did the 71 version change
by hypeendshere
Is the book still around if you want to read it? absolutely. do i like asking and answering my own questions? a little. If you claim Dahl is right for hating the film, then the rest of the world is wrong. guess what? Dahl may not like how his book was adapted, but he's wrong for thinking it's a bad film. it's a good film. as for 'character assassination'... well, let's just take a breath and realize that this thing has "Oompa Loompas" in it, okay?
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Saying he plays his role as a mix of Michael Jackson and a ride operator at Disneyland doesn't make me feel any less uncomfortable.
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I think the only other time a company did that was when Fox released the Alien Legacy and Planet Of The Apes Evolution discs separate from the box sets.
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Jun 25, 2005 9:56:32 PM CDT
A shocking confession: I saw Bewitched today and didn't hate
by frankdrebin
The only major problem with Bewitched is that Kidman & Ferrell aren't believable together. Not as mismatched as Julia Roberts & Nick Nolte (I Love Trouble) but as much as Tom Hanks & Catherine Zeta-Jones (The Terminal).
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Titanic wasn't a good movie, but lots of people liked it (but lots of others hated it). Same goes with WWatCF. It's a cult hit, but certainly not a classic. It is definitely *not* a good film; maybe minutely entertaining, but not good. I've hated it since I was a kid, *long* before I ever even knew it was based on a book. Just because one person likes a movie doesn't mean it's good. You would be surprised to find how many people either hate the 1971 film or haven't even seen it (some because they are unable, others because it doesn't appeal to them at all). *** Joy
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Jun 25, 2005 10:47:17 PM CDT
"Macob" is a rarely used word, mainly used by the amish.
by orionsangels
You won't find it in a dictionary. Macob, short for Macobberish, means ghoulish haunting, used originally by the amish on ghouls night. you can't look it up. the amish don't go online. so there you have it.
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Titanic isn't a beloved film that a new generation comes to appreciate every few years. "It is definitely *not* a good film" followed by "Just because one person likes a movie doesn't mean it's good"? come on now. i don't like Star Wars. it's a film that doesn't particularly resonate with me, but it can't be that bad. But really, is it accurate to say that the rest of the world is wrong? if i decide that i'm going to start driving on the left one day, is okay to think everyone else nuts?
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Jun 26, 2005 1:22:52 AM CDT
Burton is awful, that guy will never get any more of my money
by thunderballs
After sitting through Sleepy Hollow, Planet of the Apes, and Mars Attacks I can honestly say this guy has no fucking clue anymore! Burton is one of the biggest hacks working in the biz today, and I've no idea why he gets money to bring his boring visions to life but Gilliam does not. Oh wait, I know, cause Burton sucks and Hollywood loves a banal sucker.
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...then he's not particularly menacing, but sort of prickly, absent and irritable -- well, in between his bursts of enthusiasm for his creations. Outside of his Anna Wintour/early Glenda Jackson drag and oddly high voice (which sounds like a variation on Pee Wee Herman, not Jacko), Depp's Wonka seems to adhere to the literary Wonka.
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I saw the wrod 'review', I read the 'review' and it 'reviewed' nothing. I'm not after an essay full of spoilers but if someone has seen the film and wants to share their thoughts then you're right, a few details etc might creep in.
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Jun 26, 2005 11:33:00 AM CDT
I love the original, but the trailer for this remake did not mak
by mr. profit
I'll definitely see it though, but on DVD.
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I've been reading the TalkBack and I'd just like to address a few points: 1) I am not, nor have I ever been, a member of the Plant-unist Party. You want to think that, go ahead. You want to think my response here now further implicates me as a plant, more power. Fact is, I got invited to a screening and I HAVE seen the film, but I'm in no way affiliated with Warners. I understand people's points as to why I'm the vine guy, but it really comes down to that I wrote an enthusiastic, spoiler- and specific-lite review. Right? Well... 2) I was enthusiastic because I very much enjoyed the movie. The "best since Scissorhands" bit wasn't just hyperbole. I went and looked at Burton's body of work on IMDB and said, hell, the last movie of his I enjoyed this much was Edward Scissorhans. Simple. 3) The review was spoiler- and specific-lite because a) I hate reading reviews with major spoilers scattered throughout and b) most (if not all) of you already know the story, so there's no point in re-stating it. And while the review was somewhat general, I think I've acurately described the world of the movie. 4) As for the guy who said I'm just trying to lure you into seeing the movie to get a real taste--he's right!! I am!! Because I've seen the thing and enjoyed the hell out of it and I think you should too. Is it perfect? Aside from the first act, no. But it's a really interesting, enjoyable film that riffs on the story you already know. 5) Finally, moviemack, I agree with you that Burton does often get overwhelmed by art direction and less so by story, but when it all clicks, I'll bet you'll be first to say it clicks incredibly well. Charlie clicks. Anyway, continue with TalkBack. No more from me.
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Jun 26, 2005 4:31:50 PM CDT
I have to tell you what happened to me when I was putting in a p
by the_pool_guy
...I was in the future diving well, when some of those short-o-loopa guys starting that sing-thing they do. They were painted blue--unless they are just normally blue. Me and the guys were mostly in the "mess-pit" (I call it), and we were scared, because these blue loompa-loompas were singing about "digging pools" and how that leads to some sort of bad end: that we were going to "diggity down to hell-ditty-du..." or something. Anyway, they were on the edge of the pit, and we were in the pit, and then we started mouthing the words to their little song, kinda half singing it... You know: "hellditty blah blah loompa blah loo..." How were we supposed to know what to sing? Then the luka-loompas just kinda evaporated--not literally; just their numbers dwindled, until they were gone.
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What are you implying? That pool guys are crazy?
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I'm really hoping this film is good though, I'm a bit worried, I don't like the way the posters or the trailer looks.
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Too many cynics or something every TB now is almost filled with hate doesn't matter what movie it is: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Batman Begins, War of the Worlds, Kong, Harry Potter, Star Wars, Serenity. So should I just take it that everything sucks?
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...Was my favorite book as a kid. Burton's not making it because Wes Anderson (Rushmore) is, Henry Selick (Nightmare before Christmas) is co-directing. It should be awesome.
I can't wait for Willy Wonka. I've been waiting for Tim to do this kind of film for years. I'm glad that this film will be different enough from the first to stand on its own. Gene Wilder gave a beautiful performance in the first, but it's not the ONLY way you can do Wonka. Any kid's story by Roald Dahl is supposed to be super creepy! The Wilder Wonka freaked me out, but I loved it, and I'm sure this one will freak me out and I'll probably love it too. And to all you Depp Haters, Fuck off! He's not the only actor in the world, but he is one of the few actors with the ability to tell Hollywood to shove it, and they love him for it. -
I just don't understand how you can insult a movie that this when you haven't even seen it? How could you possibly know whether it's good or not? And, if it does suck, what's it hurting you because you obviously aren't going to see it if you have these kind of attitudes. I for one am dying to see this movie.
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