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Our First Review of FANTASTIC FOUR...
Hey folks, Harry here. Just got out of LAND OF THE DEAD, which was just a pure joy. So far, I've had a great time with REVENGE OF THE SITH, MR & MRS SMITH, KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, BATMAN BEGINS and now LAND OF THE DEAD. I'm anticipating greatness from WAR OF THE WORLDS. In their own light amusing ways, I enjoyed MADAGASCAR and BEWITCHED... but ya know, I'd absolutely love to eat crow on this whole FANTASTIC FOUR thing. It was my favorite Marvel comic. But check this review out. To me it is among the worst sort of reviews. 5/10 - straight up mediocre. The good points and bad points. And Ryan here seemed to enjoy it while in the theater, but is saying he's disliking the film the more he thinks about it. Here ya go...
Hey Harry,
Ryan here from Mukmouth.com
caught a media screening of Fantastic Four last sunday here in New Zealand so I thought I send you a review. I didn't hate the film, but there too much crap stuff in the film to actually like it, and to be honest the more I sit down and talk about it with others that saw it, I begin to dislike it even more, so I had to write a review before my opinion completely changed.
I had such high hopes for this film, right up until the day I saw it. What a fool!
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FANTASITC FOUR REVIEW
5/10
With the X Men and Spiderman movies proving that superhero films can be extremely good, it's a real shame that Fantastic Four is a step backwards for the genre.
Don't get me wrong, there's a lot to like about the Fan 4, but unfortunately, there's even more to dislike! The reason X Men, Spiderman and even the new Batman film work so well is the studios treat them with respect by hiring top directors like Bryan Singer, Sam Raimi and Chris Nolan and actually casting good actors for the iconic roles, shock horror!
It's weird, but it seems like Fox totally forgot that they were the ones who have raised the bar and went against everything they did right with X Men and Spiderman. Gone is the visionary director and in their place, Tim Story, who without being too harsh, is merely......your generic director for hire, someone who is extremely capable of standing behind a camera and yelling "action" but has no real vision, sure Barbershop was a fairly good movie, but it's in no way a great stepping stone to move on to a mega budget superhero film.
This, I'm assuming, is why Fantastic Four feels very much like an extended episode of Charmed with great special effects. The best shots in the film are the ones that are completely computer generated eg, city shots and zooms, and that's thanks to the effects team not the director.
As for the cast, well.....they're not too bad, Michael Chiklis (TV's The Shield) does justice to Ben Grimm/The Thing but unfortunately this is one time that I wish they had used 100% CG for a character rather than a rubber suit, as it clearly looks like a rubber suit, not rock like it should!
Jessica Alba, who will never be known for her amazing acting abilities, does an adequate job as Sue Storm/Invisible Girl and Ioan Gruffud (last seen as King Arthur) is ok though completely underused, the standout however is Chris Evans who does a wicked job as Johnny Storm/Human Torch, he seems the most comfortable in his role and just has fun with it, which makes the cheesy dialogue seem acceptable.
I know it seems like I hated the film, but that's not true at all, so now that I've got all the poo-pooing out of my system, lets look at the good bits. The effects and action for the most part are great, (apart from The Thing looking a little rubbery at times) the Human Torch flame effects are outstanding and are the highlight of the film, it's just a shame you don’t get to seem them all that often, but when you do, it's very cool! The film benefits from having a fairly interesting origin story. It's cool to see a bunch of characters getting their superpowers and all dealing with them in their own way eg, Johnny Storm embracing his flaming abilities and loving the superhero idea to Ben Grimm/The Thing dealing with the burden of being covered in rock and looking, to most, like a monster. It makes you realise that we haven't really seen that in a superhero film before. Also, I have to mention, Julian McMahon, best known as the womanising Christian on TV's Nip/Tuck, does a surprisingly good job as the movie's main villain Victor Von Doom aka Dr Doom.
All in all the film suffers from a weak script and lackluster directing and is only slightly redeemed by it's few impressive action scenes and some nice effects. It's hard to believe that visionary directors such as Steven Sodebergh and Peyton Reed were once attached to direct, hmmm, what went wrong.
Cheers
Ryan - www.mukmouth.com
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I liked the orignal more.
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And I don't care about this movie at all.
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..done!!
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..never mind..
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Is there actually a review here, because I learnt nothing at all reading this. www.armchairwarriors.net
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Jun 22, 2005 1:41:31 AM CDT
Hmn, as much as I love to see a negative review of the futile f
by anla'shok
You haven't really provided me with info I didn't already possess, a little more details would've been appreciated. People are going to say your a fraud, and with reason.
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Well not really.
I dont expect anything from this film,so ill probaly come out thinking its ok.But with DD,The Hulk,Man Thing and Elektra MARVEL is surely losing it.F4 Will hopefuly be better then those 4.Its just a shame they half to hire the directors of Barbershop and Simon Birch for these Legendary characters to make them less appealing. -
Jun 22, 2005 1:52:23 AM CDT
uhhh.......FAKE REVIEW...(not that the movie will actually be go
by monkeybrains
Worst. review. ever. All this guy did was get all of the actors names correct, and just commented on what we all have seen in the trailers. The movie will suck, no doubt, but quit trying to pull a fast one on us geeky tool heads, ya bum
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Okay, All I read on site is how somebody sucks at this or that. How about we have a film festival of your films. 5-10 minute shorts. Make it an annual thing. I bet some of you haters will not like this idea because you don't want to find out you SUCK!. Hey we might find some really talented people among us. Why don't we start a petition, BITCHES!.
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I tell you, I am a huge Comic fan from way back, had 10's of thousands of comics at one time, have every comic movie on DVD, have watched them all numerous times (Hulk is by far the best after multiple viewings) and wonder what all the complaining is about? All of them seem like fun, escapist, popcorn movies, most with cheezy dialog and plot conveniences (like comics in general) and fun and cool effects. Not deep, but fun. Like a roller coaster. I expect the FF to be much in the vein of this. Comic movies that sucked are not DD, Hulk or even Electra, but were Capitan America, the original Punisher, Batman and Robin, and the Wonder Woman TV show. These are mostly simple stories with huge action sequences thrown in. Enjoy, let go and say...cool when something goes BAM CRASH POW!!
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Sounds like I'll probably have a really good time with this movie. Cause... um... is anybody looking for anything more from a fantastic four movie. The comic was just the biggest soap opera... I wouldn't pay to watch a faithful recreation of the comic... sounds like they kept the good and skiped the bad and filled out the empty spaces as much as possible. ...hmmm... what's this incredible urge to lean toward sunlight and this unquenchable thirst?
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AMEN! www.armchairwarriors.net
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Not Fox.
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My whole family is excited about F4, which is funny because almost none of them have read a comic book in their lives. Seems like them trailers are working, god knows why. And Mr and Ms Smith had probably one of the worst depictions of my home town (Bogota) i've ever seen, it was fucking hilarious! People in the theatre were actually quite insulted, obviously, but i thought it was just a testament to how fucking stupid americans can be when they don't really care. How hard is it to do some research? Bogota portrayed as a sort of tropical, sort of uber poor mexican/iraqi shithole jungle full of cickens was hilarious to me, because of the sheer stupidity of it. And the movie didn't get much better after that, there was this part with Brad kicking the shit out of Angelina that was...actually quite frightening. Especially people laughing at it.
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So you don't get to see the Human Torch flamed up a whole lot? There's a big surprise. The Thing looks rubbery? Yeah, fuck this movie. It'll suck worse than Batman Begins, and that's saying something.
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played Lancelot, not Arthur. That was Clive Owen. But thanks for playing.
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I wish that I was joking, but I'm not.
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Jun 22, 2005 2:51:06 AM CDT
you call that a negative review? You ain't seen nothing yet!
by frankenchr1st
a few points that we all know has doomed this flick:
1) Jessica Alba 2) The Rubber suit 3) Dr Doom = yuppie scientist?
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To be honest, the studios are just going to keep churning out super hero movies as fast as they can, sometimes at the expense of good writing/directing because we, the fan-boys & girls, are making these studios millions of dollars by paying for this crap. You know that most of the AICN visitors are going to see this movie. With the exception of Elektra, I've checked every recent superhero movie without even second guessing it. Sure, X-Men, Spider Man and now Batman have it right. But with every good comic book adaptation, a Hulk or Fantastic 4 will slip by. It's the price, pun intended, that we have to pay. But if they jack up Captain America (again) then I will go Bakersfield Chimp.
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I caught a double feature of them both over the weekend. Batman Begins was pretty much what I'd thought it would be so/so. but I left Mr and Mrs Smith feeling much more satiated. I'm pretty sure Ms. Smith could take Nolan's Bruce Wayne in a fair fight (sans $300,000 rubber). That bitch was tough.
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I don't trust the opinion of anyone who can't distinguish the difference between "it's" and "its". 'Nuff said.
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...at least he said Doom didn't suck. I definitely had a suck-vibe from Dr. Doom in the trailers. I would almost be content with a fun popcorn flick at this point following all the bad hype surrounding this movie for the last 6 months or so. It was always a pretty light-hearted comic. www.LUZERonline.com
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I second what Monkeybrains said: the reviewer doesn't mention anything not in the trailer, like what Doom's beef with the FF is, or what scheme he's got for world domination.
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He managed to write a load of words without actually saying anything at all.
A review consisting of "This was bad, this was good, director mediochre, special effects very good, Thing suit rubber.." is a bad review.
No mention of story at all, no good examples of things that worked in the film. No real opinion.
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Jun 22, 2005 3:10:00 AM CDT
"Batman Begins" was good because they waited until the end of th
by frankdrebin
"Batman Begins" actually had the same final act as "Batman Forever" & "Mystery Men": the villain had some sort of psycho-active ray that was going to make everybody in the city go bonkers. Luckily BB had good performances and strong scenes leading up to the mess at the end, so overall the film was a success.
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what does the thing's thing look like?
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Even if there was a positive review, you wouldn't post it Harry
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Yeah it looks sucky, but is it going to suck more than World of the Worlds?
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Look. I understand a lot of people here don't go to see Tim Story movies. I understand that 'Taxi' was a pretty horrible movie. And, in some ways, I understand how a guy like Story fails to serve this movie in ways that matter. But to say that he was just arbitrarily dumped into the position of director is completely ignorant. His strength as a director lies in communicating character through visuals (see 'Barbershop' for an example of this, if you can bring yourselves to watch relatively light material that doesn't involve gunplay). This is especially important in an ensemble movie when there's not always enough time as one would like to devote to individual characterization in a script. That's not bullshit. Read some interviews with geek hero Peter Jackson for proof of *this*, if you can bring yourselves to know what you're talking about before you start leveling charges. This is part of the reason why Tim Story's directing the Fantastic Four; if you see the movie, just take note of the way he has the characters position themselves in an elevator, or looking out the Baxter Building when the Thing escapes, or how Johnny keeps toying with his fire ability in the background of a scene. It's the communication and reinforcement of certain ideas within a given shot. It's also something that's taken for granted; while you could say "big deal. Any director would do that kind of stuff," I doubt that's the case. And it does make a difference. Something more accurate to say would be "I don't care," which is fine. I can dig it. It is true that his knack for visuals is otherwise fairly limited, the universe that the FF inhabit looks blander than it should, and that Story's basically relying on the unit directors and the f/x people for the "coolness" factor of the movie. If the action or the eye candy (Alba and McMahon notwithstanding) isn't appealing enough to the audience, that is a problem that comes with hiring a director like this (another problem: I think Fox trusts him not to tinker around with the story too much, which is not generally a good thing) and, in some ways, while I appreciate what Arad and/or Fox are trying to accomplish through Tim Story, I'm not sure it's worth it. I'd prefer a little more Kirby in the gumbo and a team (filmmaking, that is, not world-saving) that's a little more willing to take risks than the one in place. I don't know whether or not the story itself sucks as I only know the basic premise (although that pic of a Reed popsicle that showed up on AICN a few weeks ago didn't exactly inspire confidence). Like Harry, I do want this to be good. I'm not so sure it will be. And I get that people wanna get angry at Tim Story, and Fox, and every little Thing about this production that wasn't perfect. I do. Or at least, I think I do. But I can't get behind the bashing of Tim Story when people talk about how he brings nothing to the table. He's no less "visionary," than Peyton Reed, just in a different way. So if you see this, and you don't like the way it turned out, that's cool. Even if I wasn't cool with it, it's not like you'd need my permission. But at least try to be objective, or at the very least, not malicious. Easier said than done, I know, and I'm guilty of pissing on stuff when it's not called for on plenty of occassions, but it does help make the discussion easier nevertheless. So I don't know. I guess if you're going to get on Story's case, it can just be as simple as "he wasn't the right fit for this movie" or even how the action suffered because of him or how he failed to give the movie a specific character. But at least recognize that the man has some talent. ****************** A couple of other things: I wanted a CG Thing for a while too, but I sort of warmed to the "man in suit" idea. His height is really not that big of a deal, and anyway, do you know how complicated the Thing would be to computer animate? I somehow suspect that the result would be even more distracting than the little bends in the Thing suit. They should have probably digitally enhanced it like Del Toro did with Hellboy, although I don't know whether or not they did anyway. As for the cast thing in this review: Chiklis is an Emmy-award winning actor, dude said he LIKED McMahon, Chris Evans and Ioan Gruffudd, so besides for Jessica Alba, I don't know where his antipathy towards the cast is coming from. Things to think about, or not. Peace y'all, and sorry for being such a wet blanket.
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Jun 22, 2005 3:56:18 AM CDT
I'm not surprised that harry would find a bad review and pos
by the founder
it sounds like the guy enjoyed the movie, but already had his mind made up like harry and so many others that it's going to suck that when he saw it he was surprised, but in typical ego fashion and not to be uncool among the geeks he says it good but bad at the same time. What a load of BS. I'm not saying that the film will be good, but it looks to be entertaining.
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We don't have to be able to MAKE movies to know when one is bad. I hate that tired excuse: "Well let's see how good you are!" I don't cook but I'm usually permitted to say if I like certain foods.
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Apart from maybe gang rape by HIV ridden midgets dressed as Hitler clowns. While your Mum watches.
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There is simply no getting round it. He should dry and dusty and the rocks should grind against each other as he moves. Not seen it so maybe some sound FX will compensate a little. There is an effect used in Hellboy when holds a glass with his right hand that is incredibly effective at conveying rock.
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Jun 22, 2005 4:07:45 AM CDT
All you haters take not and READ RIBBONS post, cause he/she is t
by the founder
I agree 100 percent. Sory isn't a bad director, but he lacks the expierence and vision in my opinion for this project. He's a new comer, so he's depending on fx guys and unit directors to direct action anf fx scenes. Now is that good? No. I've said time and time again that F4 is an exec driven film. This film was put together by a focus group who is sticking to a formula. Story was not brought on to dispaly his talent, he was brought on to just shoot the film. Now granted he has some input, but it's limited to character interaction, the rest is run by chimps known as execs.
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...yeah, the dialogue absolutely sucks, so does "extreme sports" Johnny, and it worries me that the marketing campaign is only showing the same stuff over and over. Don't know what to make of that. And this review probably isn't fake. It was pretty vague, but the dude says he writes for a film website, so I hope it's the real deal, in any case. If it's not he could get mukmouth.com in a lot of trouble. Prior Walter: true dat, man. If you're required to have made a better movie before you're allowed to comment on one, that makes for a pretty small audience. Also, like you said with the food analogy.
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Jun 22, 2005 4:19:41 AM CDT
Just have to wait 8 years for Fantastic Four Begins.
by trevor goodchild
Tim Robbins as Mr F, Vincent D'onofrio as Grimm, Rutger Hauer/Hugo Weaving/Schwartzenegger as Doom.
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Jun 22, 2005 4:41:20 AM CDT
Great review! Er, except for the total lack of anything even rem
by lone fox
The rating of the choice of the actors has been done to death by half the people here after the trailers were released. How about reviewing the fucking film?
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Jun 22, 2005 4:57:50 AM CDT
"The Thing dealing with the burden of being covered in rock and
by blotter
Which was ten times the movie than this one appears to be.
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... and they left me distinctly meh. The Thing looks awful and what's the point of having someone as foxy as Alba as an INVISIBLE woman?!?!? Saying that, I think the Torch looks amazing. I reckon I'll see it, but only if there isn't anything else to see in it's place.
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I haven't seen it yet, but there are problems with all the parts: Jessica Alba can't act and is a natural brunette in a blonde wig, Ioan Gruffyd is ten years too young for the part, Michael Chiklis is a brilliant actor but is too *small* to play Ben Grimm, and this Chris Evans fellow is a complete unknown (and what is with casting brunettes as Sue and Johnny Storm????? Weren't there any blonds at the auditions?).
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BUT, I'll say he's a better choice than Story simply for the fact that he had a real passion for the project, he WANTED to tell a F4 story, while Story is just the gun for hire FOX picked up to make their movie (plus I loved his 50s New York, and would have loved to seen a F4 movie from someone who can put that kind energy/atmosphere on screen).
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Jun 22, 2005 6:34:01 AM CDT
this is a fuckin g review? where are the details? where is the m
by spacesheik
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That got your attention. What I was gonna say, is wouldn't it have been cool if, instead of the turkey that was OCEANS 12, Soderbergh made this with the OCEANS' cast? Clooney as Mr Fantastic. Roberts as Invisible Girl. Pitt as Human Torch and Bruce Willis as The Thing. Hell even, Garcia as Doom. Actually, after SIN CITY, Mickey Rourke would rock (pun intended) as Ben Grimm in his Marv makeup.
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...30 minutes of "When Harry Met Sally" grafted onto an hour and a half of "Ballistic: Ecks Vs. Sever"! SUCKTACULAR!
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...this movie is a train wreck waiting to happen. Reed lacks confidence and is forced to beg corporate metrosexual Victor Von Doom for help in order to get his "cosmic storm" project running. Sue, meanwhile, has become a romantic pawn between Reed and Victor, which means Victor now hates Reed mainly because he "stole" his chick away from him. Ben and Johnny seem the most on-target, especially Johnny, but again, I'm 3/4 finished with the novel and Victor hasn't even become Doctor Doom yet. That's great if you're more interested in seeing how the FF cope with their new powers, but pretty crappy if you want to see the FF take on Ultimate Doctor Doom. Considering Doctor Doom was Darth Vader before there even was a Darth Vader, I can't begin to express my disappointment. Thanks for another winner, Avi!
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They should have done the thing in claymation (CG augmented?)- nothing looks more like rock than rock itself, surely?
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Jun 22, 2005 9:23:43 AM CDT
Maybe it's because I'm merely a casual fan of the FF, bu
by jamesurljonez
Sure, they could have gone with a better director who has an actual grasp of visuals, character and story (aside from his last name). But then again the Fantastic Four isn't some huge Shakespearean Tragedy. Of all the Marvel teams, the FF is the most conventional. THey are respected, admired, famous, and aside from the Thing's humanity issue and Reed's guilt over his part in that, there's not a whole heckuva lot of angst. They bicker and sulk like any good family, but on the whole it's probably the shiniest, happiest comic book not published by DC. Everything I've seen shows it to be a slightly less than inspired real world take on famous super-heroes. Lots of action, lots of eye candy, lots of underwritten comedy. Sure, it could be better, more epic, more personal, but if it does well (and I think it will do at least as well as Batman Begins, because children are less likely to piss their pants) then it will guarantee a sequel. A sequel featuring the Negative Zone or Galactus and his Heralds. That's when the epic and the personal can come in. One other thing: I'm not an expert on the book, but it seems to me that people complaining about cocky "extreme sports" Johnny haven't done their homework. He's been a hotrodding, wisecracking, daredevil playa since the first issue. Everything he's said in the movie could be directly translated to the comic book and sound exactly right. I think the problem is a lot of you never realized until you saw him "in the flesh" as it were, that what he really is is a frat boy. He's always has been. Wasn't he in a frat when he went to Empire State Univerity and roomed with Wyatt Wingfoot? Hmm... maybe I know more about this book than I thought...
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Jun 22, 2005 9:31:36 AM CDT
Fox didn't raise the bar with Spider-man, that was Columbia.
by matthooper8
I think this reviewer just saw the trailers and not the film. My fears about the rubber suit might be true. The bad acting we knew. Let's hoping I don't fall asleep during this one. Casting on this film is so bad it's fantastically aweful.
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This movie looked bad from the first frame of the trailer. It has a cheesy cast (Alba looks great, but absolutely cannot act) and has cheesy looking sets and lighting. The whole finale looks like something out of GHOSTBUSTERS. The fact that they made Thing a guy in a suit instead of the current CGI preference shows how little effort everyone put into this. The studio and Marvel just shoved it out to the marketplace. Nobody cared. Frankly, now that Marvel's plundered all their A lists (except for Captain America and the Silver Surfer), see all the B level crap come tumbling out (I loved reading Marvel in the 70s and couldn't tell you much about Ghost Rider -- who in the general public will care???)
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This is sadly another one of those situations where I'm in the majority. I'm ambivalent. Which means I'll reserve judgement for when I see the movie. Films of this type can be a frustrating affair because movie buffs generally either form a negative opinion from the onset because, hell, I guess it's cool to dismiss something that "sucks" without, y'know, actually giving it the benefit of having watched it in a theater with the general public and making a more informed deliberation; or adopts a "What the hell"-attitude. And critics reviews range from the luke-warm to the encouraging give-it-a-try/ this might be your cup of tea type. So no easy fix of "it's horrible, avoid it at all costs", or an ecstatic "THE superhero cinematic achievement of the year!!"
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Jun 22, 2005 10:02:06 AM CDT
Like matter, there exist in the universe anti-matter...
by lost skeleton
...only plauasible that there will exist the Anti-plant. Oh, and Sony is doing Spider-Man not Fox.
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...but if it's at least fun, and takes my mind out of the real world for 2 hours, then it's done it's job. That's my opinion.
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Are you retarded? Solaris and Bring It On both sucked. Tim Story sucks also but dont call any of these guys visionaries. The only visionary is Paul Verhoven!!!
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...brobdingnag has the only reasonable attitude and approach to a movie none of us (including, I suspect, our reviewer) has actually seen yet. Let's wait and see if it does, in fact, suck before we say so. And to the "reviewer" and anyone else who is still idiotically complaining about the Thing's lumpy appearance, I offer this excerpt from the marvel directory: "Over the years the mutations to the Things body have continued to progress slowly. The composition of his epidermis changed from an abnormally dense, somewhat lumpy but still comparatively smooth hide to a flexible, interlocking network of rock-like lumps." Don't believe me? Check out the link: http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/t/thing.htm and see for yourself. Or go to this page http://www.blackdogaccessories.com/essential_trade_9.htm and see what a reproduction of the original Kirby art for the character looks like. This is an origin movie, kids. Chiklis looks pretty much EXACTLY the way the Thing did in his original appearances. Now you know, and knowing may or may not make you look like slightly less of an ignorant asshat.
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Lol, how the hell did this so called 'review' get published?
Is it because it says pretty much everything the poeple that run this site WANT to hear, perchance? Cos it sure aint because it looks like a legit review in the slightest!
Answer me this Harry, IF the same guy had sent you a glowingly positive review (the kind you give out to those flicks you get set access to and the like) but it contained all the same obvious lack of any details confirming they had actually seen the film...Would you have posted it?
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They just don't know it yet. Posting exciting "new" info a month after other sites, reviewing 4-month old drafts of the screenplay for FF, and now posting a fake review. Whatever will support what they've already made up their minds on - FF will suck. What a joke this site is.
I say this as someone who used to like this site. I enjoyed the attitude, I enjoyed the fun of it. It isn't fun anymore. It's biases are so obvious it makes Fox News look even-handed. Why not let things progress as they will. Why not CHECK to see if your script review is of a script that is at all current? Why not check to make sure a review is worth printing, let-alone REAL? Sigh. -
The script review for FF wasn't 4 months old- that was the recent X3 review. Wouldn't want to put something on the net that wasn't true. THat would ruin my credibility.
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We'll see. Good looking out, Childe Roland. I was thinking that when I first saw photos of Chiklis in character. Not to sound snarky or anything, but coming to this site can be an exercise in endurence with so many uninformed individuals blathering about.
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Real bad. Did anyone really think this would be good? Seriously?
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But, yeah. Actually, I kinda did. As you know, the FF is Marvel's first official title, with a long, distinguished history of epic storytelling. If they should have looked over everyone's shoulder and assured quality on any project, it was this one. If the movie disappoints, it should be a dark day for all parties involved.
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Harry what the fuck? I could have wrote this myself 7 months ago?! This is pure bullshit and people all over the world are laughing their asses off at the pure stupidity of your whole staff right about now. Sure the film could be total shit, but this "reveiw" is a 100% fake . . .
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Well I really Didnt hear anything real bad from that half ass review, so im sure ill go to see it. i never expected anything that crazy from F4 anyways.
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http://www.mysterydouchebags.com/sq...topic.php?t=849
Congrats again on trying to ruin this movie assholes. Your reveiw is fake as your motives.
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I think some of you are just jumping on a Fox-hate bandwagon that Harry is driving. The sad thing is that Harry is falling asleep at the wheel.
I've never seen so many pathetic misinformed snobbish talk-backers coalasced together in one quagmire in my life. The majority of you seem to possess nothing more than mere surface knowledge of the Fantastic Four. And to the reviewer--nice job reviewing the trailers bub...I could've done THAT. *roll eyes*
Finally to Harry: Who the hell crapped in your cheerios to warrant all of this mudslinging? What happened to your objectivity? The "review" you have released here doesn't carry an ounce of water, and it dissapoints me that you'd be so clumsy to post it for all to see.. I guess you don't give a damn if your site has credibility or not now huh?
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Anyone who can't tell this movie will suck by the trailers are kidding themselves. I watched Barbershop and it was mediocre to mildy funny. Tim Story may be able to direct actors but a big budget action movie goes way beyond just character development. It takes a good sense of how to direct action scenes, what shots work, camera angles, zoom ins, etc. Zemeckis or Ron Underwood would have been good choices, hell even Rob Cohen in his Dragon, the Bruce Lee Story, before Fast and the Furious/Stealth days would have been good.
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I have no interest in seeing it.
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here's an idea, why not try waiting until you've seen the film before deciding what it's like, A strange concept I know, but I tried it and it actually works.
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Jun 22, 2005 1:52:52 PM CDT
"Apart from maybe gang rape by HIV ridden midgets dressed as Hit
by maguasynfield
Isn't that on Fox this fall? Well, UPN, surely? I used to read the FF & was really hoping this film wouldn't suck, but from what I hear the studio is putting a half-hearted, half-assed effort into it, which cheeses me off. No surprise. I guess all the good directors are already occupied. And the good scriptwriters. And the good...ah merde. Nothing left to do. Send in the Hitler clowns.
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New to the site, huh?
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A.) the use of the word "fag" pretty much sums up the quality of discussion here.
B.) Director's AREN'T writers. Tim Story didn't WRITE Barbershop. So if it's only mildly funny, you can't really fault him now can you? Directors control things like editing and camera movement and that sort of thing. I haven't seen Barbershop, so I can't comment on it. But saying he isn't a good director because a movie isn't funny is dimwitted to the extreme.
C.) The movie could suck. All I'm saying is let's wait till someone actually sees it. Everyone saying "from what I've heard they don't care about the FF" is silly. They've poured MASSIVE amounts of money into this picture. I'm sure the advertising budget alone is out of this world. They care how it will do. If you watch the Behind the Scenes info (which AICN didn't bother to link to... maybe in a week they'll get around to it) or read the Making of book you'll see a LOT of thought went into making this movie.
D.) Anyone who thinks they can tell whether a movie will suck by a trailer is kidding THEMselves. They are designed to dazzle you. I've seen lots of great movies with bad trailers and lots of bad movies with great trailers. It's all lazy nattering on about something because the anonymity of the internet lets any yahoo with a half-assed opinion spew whatever he likes. -
I posted this in the other forum, but I thought you'd find it interesting too (being related to comicbook stuff and all): On the G4 tv show Attack of the SHow this Friday. Adam West is reviewing the Batman Begins movie. I remember reading once on this site that West has never ever even watched a Batman movie before. This should be interesting. West is such a weirdo. I am sure he will like it, but he'll probably insult a bunch of things too. I found the link here: http://www.g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/episodes/4214/Aaron_Augenblick_Adam_West_Rodi.html
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When you bring in a writer like Alvin Sargent ( Spidey 2), it shows your trying, dammit. When you use directors like Sam Raimi, Bryan Singer or Alex Proyas, it shows you're trying. A director may not be a writer ( though many are), but a GOOD director will have every bit as much, or more, influence than the writer or his script. The days when a director just moved actors around & shot them are over, save for a few surviving hacks. In many cases an inept director can take a good writer's words & magicallt transform them into bunny pellets. If Barbershop sucked, who can say whether the script or the direction failed them? As for the FF, I'll see it because I care about the characters & all this pissing & moaning is merely academic ( or foreplay). Questioning whether the right director or writers were used for FF is perfectly legit, as their pedigree does not inspire confidance in this case. What can you tell by a trailer? Its tradition to put all your tasty bits into the trailer - trailers are normally selected with great care & forethought. If the trailer puts you to sleep, or into tears, or has you screaming exotic four letter words at the screen, its not unreasonable to think that the film will too. Sometimes, just sometimes, the trailers are a decent representation of whats to come.
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With the three words you have in your vocabulary, I can't make heads or tails of what point you're trying to prove.
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"...uses" quotes "in" his posts. "It's" like listen"ing" to bad impression"ists" do "Christopher" Walken. What a "tool."
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...No, I've been lurking for months, but AICN is just now allowing people to join up again.
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I really don't understand the fuss over this. Personally I would love for it to be the greatest comic book movie of all time. It ain't goning to happen. Is it going to be perfect? Hell no. You tell me one super hero movie that pleases everyone. I am going in this just for the fun. Of course I think this review is bogus. I could have done it even without seeing any previews. So, yes, I will be there opening Friday with my tub of buttered popcorn and my large soft drink ready to either laugh, boo, praise, or leave the theater. Either way I will wait to diss or praise this movie until after it opens.
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Lame-ass review. Harry should've laughed that out, but apparently there's still an axe to grind on F4. Lack of set visits really seem to get under the skin...
I'm still not sold on the movie, but it's looking better the more I see. The Japanese trailer was best yet:
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No, I mean quite literally extreme sports Johnny. You know, of the motocross-ing and snowboard-ing variety. I know he's supposed to be a "brash, young hothead" both in the comics and in this movie, but that seems like a bit much to me. You can rationalize it, but it seems more like a grab for demographics than anything else. Which is why they make sure footage of him doing both is in the trailer. Maybe I'm being too cynical. Anyway, it's not that big of a deal.
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from the trailers the movie looks to be about as fun as "Mac & Me"
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This site has got on my nadbags for too long reviewing this and not a crumb about war of the worlds.you can all just fuck right off
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Lightning, I couldn't agree more with your evaluation. I admire that you have a more realistic take on the situation than most. And on behalf of the more civil talk-backers, sorry about all the negativity. Guess it's the price we pay to have a forum to speak in.
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...for the welcome. I know there are some talk-backers here that are sophisticated in their views. And then we have the majority which unfortunately are more interested in being pee-wee sized critics that like to hear themselves talk. As one who has read/collected Fantastic Four comics since the early 80's, I can smell BULLSHYT in some of these opinions...and it's quite obvious that some here just don't know jack about the FF.
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...why is it that Tim Story is bashed here so much? When unknown director Matthew Vaughn took the reins of X3 when he had only a $13 million-grossing "Layer Cake" film under his belt and people here were happy and confident--yet didn't know a damn thing about him. Ditto for Bryan Singer..... But in stark contrast, Tim Story has been bashed by Harry & Co. since he was announced in 2004 for F4, and this was MONTHS BEFORE he cast anyone or even released "Taxi"..... The snobbish idiots here dismiss him as a "hack" yet "Barbershop" was a critical success that raked in $180 million in sales, plus launched a sequel AND spin-off...Basically his pre-Marvel success was greater than Matthew Vaughn's and to an extent, even Bryan Singer according to the comedic genre...I hate pulling the race card, but honestly, why the differentiation? I think Harry has a problem with this man's culture and cinematic history, and that's why he's bashing this film so much. He expected a ghetto "Blacktastic Four" complete with "Raptastic Soundtrack"--but instead is getting what looks to be a sophisticated film with a cast that's 99.9% WHITE. Oh the horrors.....
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Hey guys, I'm the guy who reviewed the film.
Holy shit, I never expected to be called a fake, that's hilarious.
Sure I didn't talk much about specific things that happen in the movie, cause the trailer is the movie!!! Mr Fantastic stretches his arm under the door, The Thing saves a fire truck yadda yadda yadda. Unfortunately the best parts happen in the trailer (aside from Jessica Alba stripping down to her undies on the bridge so she can sneak past the cops to get to Ben). If you want spoilers I can give them to you.....
END SPOILER
The Human Torch heats up Dr Doom by creating a whirlwind of fire around them and just when he's all molten lava/metal like, they spray him with water and he turns into a statue!!!!! I'm not kidding
....AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY ISN'T IN THE TRAILER!!!
I apologise for writing what some are called a crap review, but get over it fellas. I'm an animator, not a writer!!
Oh, and to whoever up there said that I had already made my mind up before seeing the film (just as Harry had!?!), what a bunch of shit, I stood up for this film right up until I saw it, I love the idea of a Fan 4 film, just not any more!! -
...even I, who don't give a flying fuck at a rolling donut about the FF (movie or comic), am somewhat taken aback at the "it'll suck" attitude coming out on this site. I probably won't watch this movie until it's out on DVD, but I'll at least endeavor to hold my opinions until then. Anyone who doesn't want to look like a complete fuckstick would do well to do the same. That being said, props to Childe Rolande and Devil'sOwn, for voicing their views on the look of the flick, seeing as they seem to be the only talkbackers that have any working knowledge of the source material in the first place. Most of the other comic-based arguements I've been hearing on the posts lately seem to be fuelled by comic readers who were between 8 and 12 years old when Rob Liefield was wrecking the X-titles. And they probably thought he was "kewell..."
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I'm bummed about the Thing looking rubber. Unfortunately, we all bitch so much about CGI (deservedly) and pine for the original Yoda experience that I don't blame them for going with the suit. CGI would've been too clunky and fake. Had they gone CGI we all would be bitching that they should've used a suit.
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Other than the Torch THE INCREDIBLES mimiced the FF so closely it was almost homage. I couldn't help thinking all the while watching that maybe this would be the best way to go for a heavy FX comic book project like the FF. It could be done (w/o the cartoon faces) and I'd bet in the right hands, it would be Fantastic. Like a 3D comic come to life. Someday.....
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1st time reading of this site to check out this style of hyping the buzz. As is true with most things, the more the business changes, the more it remains the same. It was worth my while, so here's something back in exchange.
There's a lot of talk here about who's seen the movie to give a legit review. The simple answer is the suits in the studio. When you want to know how the studio really feels about a project, watch two things in relation to each other, (1) studio changes to the wide release date & (2) the P&A expenses - especially TV ads & PR junkets. Barring extraodinary cicumstances, if a release date is delayed after the film is in the can until the flood of movies in the summer or Christmas seasons AND there's minimal TV spots or parading of the stars until just before the release; then the film is being deliberately buried by the studio for a very good reason. They don't want to spend another $10M for prints & advertising after seeing the final cut of what appears to them to be a turkey. Sometimes they are pleasantly surprised by fan reaction to be wrong, but that's the exception to the rule.
Re: FF4, I was not professionally involved in the project, but my wife was; she witnessed the team of writers that the suits brought onto the sets to do daily rewrites & reshoots that she personally heard the director mutterring about as he sat on the sidelines while they worked directly with the DP during the final days of principal shooting. Not exactly a vote of confidence no matter which way you look at it.
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Jun 22, 2005 6:48:48 PM CDT
Gee...most of what animatlorguy says is also in the book. Big su
by mrfan
How about giving us something other than the trailer and the book? Face it. Your review was really thin on everything.
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Interesting reading but the FF's release date was only put back by a whopping 4 days...as for the rest I guess could all be true, but it's also hearsay no matter which way you look at it.
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The reason why your "reveiw" is being questioned as a fake is really simple. In it you state alot of stuff that any random fan has had access to for several months now. I'm not going to get into specifics but it would be nice for us, your readers, to understand how , besides a few minor gripes, you can give the film a 5/10. That's a failing grade for an over-all positive review. There are several of us that have followed this production for years and are thrilled that these classic characters are finally going to be seen on the big screan. Of course were all curious of what you thought of Ben and Alicia Master's relationship as thats one area of the film that even those of us that have read the shooting script are still unclear on. I was on set (lurking) during most of the Vancouver production and saw nothing that would lead me to belive it would be anything other than a fun summer movie filled with huge FX and good looking stars. That in a nutshell wraps-up your reveiw. Were dieing for info but you gave us nothing. Please, the finale you described is not only in the novel but has been discussed at shuperherohype's Fantastic Four boards for months now. Did the Fantasticar reference make it to the final cut? How did you like the hat-tip to the PuppetMaster? Is Ben's wife good looking and did you feel anything for him when she leaves him? Did you notice the paralelles to the classic "This Man, This Monster" story? Just asking bro . . .
BTW- Ribbons great stuff as usual.
Lightnin- You're pretty cool, good points.
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Always thought the fourth was a terrible idea. Four days will not kill me. Also, I thought Bulldoggie's post was great. He pretty much summed it up for me. I also want details of the movie not references from trailers and books. If one actually saw the movie I would expect a better review than the one given.
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Jun 22, 2005 8:02:52 PM CDT
I don't trust anywhere that spews THAT much vitriol for a fi
by terry_1978
We were all aware of Catwoman from the jump, but FF is nowhere near that abomination, and you know it.
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WTF? Is it against AICN laws to mention another site? I'm no English major but I'm sure I didnt type that!!!!
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Anybody competent human being knew this from the very beginning.
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Jun 22, 2005 8:37:03 PM CDT
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink
by old_school_pro
Hiredhelp, everything in this business is hearsay, so what makes the primary difference between outsiders speculating about what's going on and insiders who DO know is who you hear it from. Outsiders are free to say whatever they like because they have nothing to lose; insiders rarely give their names openly about anything negative associated with a studio's project because usually they potentially have a lot to lose professionally. That's true even for the very biggest names in the business. When's the last time you ever heard somebody like Steven Spielberg or Clint Eastwood publicly knock anybody's project?
In appreciation for what I learned here, I'd thought to pass on something more than pure speculation about how the Hollywood studio system works in general, along with the bonus of a direct eyewitness account from someone working on the FF set about some problematic issues with the shoot.
However, Hiredhelp's response made it abundantly clear why it is pointless to do so. That's why there are quite a few of us in the business who will sometimes read these fan forums but we will rarely post anything beyond pumping up the next project or thanking fans for their support. -
Jun 22, 2005 8:42:54 PM CDT
Well, if the quality of reviews were any higher at this site...
by devil'sown
That sounded shitty, didn't it...? Sorry. Anyway, Lighning, I am sometimes away for periods of time, so I was unaware of Harry's comments. They do indeed sound pretty ignorant. Look, I loved Barbershop. Now, some people may not see it that way (and they can kiss my ass), but I figured it was just as valid a qualification for Story to direct FF as making The Usual Suspects was for Bryan Singer to direct X-Men. Honestly, I don't know what Harry's problem is. I would just say it's cuz he's from Texass, but I'd expect an internationally known web mc to have a little bit more class than that. Then again, my expectations for people have always been too high, hence my ongoing discontent. Roboteer, it made my ears perk up when you mentioned The Incredibles, because I was watching it again with my daughter today and wondering- If Brad Bird can create a fully fleshed-out superhero universe from scratch, one of the best ever seen, then why the hell can't other filmmakers do the same with material that's been around for decades?!
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Harry iz a BIG FAN of the Fantastic Four, and unless Akira Kurosawa and Francois Truffaut sprang from their graves to direct this movie, it will never be good enough for him.
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I'm just hoping that we can see Alba replicate some of those SWEET dance moves she showed us in Honey!!! Maybe when she fights Dr. Doom, they can have a TRL-like dance-off with Missy Elliot, Carson Daly, and a shit-faced Tara Reid getting vaporized by Doom when he loses by 1/10 of a point. Then the film burns through and we're all saved the agony of FF's lame conclusion while gaining a complete refund in the process...
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"Steven Sodebergh" is not visionary! sorry, but erin brockavitch was shit, it was totally anticlimactic and Roberts push up bra stole Ellen Burstyn's oscar, for which i will never forgive her. oceans eleven was tolerable, until the ending which made no sense, and then played out as a horror film, 'gotcha!' solaris was good, (and featured ICP oddly) but no where near as good as the original. kafka was genuinely enjoyable, as was sex lies and videotape. out of sight was derivative and full frontal was pretentious. oceans twelve...i dont know what he was even thinking. traffic was exellently filmed...but ultimately souless and had better acting that the script deserved.------------------------------
what it is mostly though is his directorial decisions. he has a 51 million dollar budget (IMDB) on Brokavitch. but he did it all on handheld, which is fine, except that he purposefully had it be shakey handheld to make it look 'indie' and 'edgy'. solaris had 70-80 million dollars to film, but it still looked low rent, on purpose, which is unacceptable. that compounded by his inability to end a film properly makes him unwatchable to me.--------------anyone still reading? -
...20th Century Fox has full faith in this project. Marketing for this film is massive (with nearly 70 companies with merchandise tie-ins), and it's only going to increase as we near the release date.....I was not involved professionally in this production either, but I do have several sources who were, and all have stated the ups-and-downs that took place late last year. The script's third act was rewritten and beefed up and it was a stressful situation. But my sources have also mentioned that FOX is tremendously excited about the film, and that folks are pleased with what Tim Story & Co. have developed. And while I can't divulge the marketing budget figure here, rest assured, FOX is investing much, much more than the $10M you mentioned. With FOX's massive marketing blitz going full steam ahead, coupled with all of the cast appearances (MTV Movie awards, Leno, Letterman, Today, Regis, international, NYC in-stores, and an Ellis Island Premiere--at the foot of the Statue Of Liberty--and much more) these are hardly indications that FOX has no faith in this film's success.....rather it's these fanboys who apparently do not.
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Jun 22, 2005 10:22:41 PM CDT
Stop Being "The Impressionables"--and make up your own minds!
by lightning
And that's what's really pathetic about this talk-back. Some of you haven't picked up an FF comic ever and yet you think you're an authority on what's "wrong" with this film. I will be humble enough to admit if the film has weaknesses (no film is perfect anyway) but I simply doubt it will be problematic to the superlative degree some of you are "prophesying". So my question is: Will we see a repeat of 2000's X-Men, where you all come back with your tails between your legs looking stupid for blasting something that turned out fine? Better question: Will HARRY have the balls to admit it was a good film, or will he just dig in his heels? Something tells me with the pessimism that infects this place that I shouldn't hold my breath. Fortunately, we have some posters here of some depth that will have to educate some of you sodding nagging b1tches.... Stop being "The Impressionables" and make up your own mind. Despite Your Nagging...95% of You Are Going To See It Anyway
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The problem is, most of the idiot talkbakers here think that unless a review is inundated with spoilers and scene descriptions, it's not a real review. Hmmmm, ok!
Here's another short review of the films problems if I have to.
- The whole film has a crappy "popular music" soundtrack, and when there is a score, it's completely flat, it doesn't enhance the action, it doesn't set the mood.
- The Thing is the most interesting character in the movie, as far as personal demons go, he changes into the Thing, busts out of the medical lab, steals a trenchcoat and goes and sees his wife straight away, she sees him and freaks and never talks to him again the entire movie, she does however come to the bridge after he saves the fire engine, shakes her head and runs away. Totally emotionless scene, and that's it really. Plus shes not attractive and can't act!! Cue Alicia Marsters, who Thing then meats in a bar for one scene and then later hooks up with her without any real explanation. Crap! They just tried to jam it all in real quickly so they cold get to the action.
- Mr Fantastic is hardly used in the movie, and when he is the effects are kinda shoddy, there's a scene where he has a struggle with Ben and ties him up with his arms and body, the shot goes for ages, and serves no real purpose in the film, plus it's the only time we really see Reed stretch like crazy. Dissapointing!!
- There's a shit load of shitty foreshadowing which is just completely cheesy! Like Victor Von Doom refering to Reed as someone who is always stretching and reaching for the stars, Ben Grimm always mentioning how Solid he feels!
The Human Torch is the only character that actually benefits from the cheesy dialogue as Chris Evans handles it perfectly, the rest fail miserably.
All the action scenes are filmed awkwardly, the camera always seems to be too close, or in a weird place, the whole final battle is just irritating to watch, the camera crosses characters and you soon loose perspective of where everything is actually happening.
That's all I'm going to say really. I dont want to get into a fight over my review, I gave my opinion and Harry posted it, none of you had to read it or waist your precious time posting about it.
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I'm definately seeing this; don't care if it sucks. I like the cast. As for the Thing's suit, sure it looks pretty damn fake. But really, CGI would look just as bad. I love the Hulk and LOTR, but the next little bastard that tries to tell me that the Hulk and Gollum looked real gets a kick in the teeth.
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shit. The shooting script I read would support your "real" reveiw. shit. Thank you for taking the time to respond to my questions. Those insites concern me. So these are the reasons why you gave it a generally favorable review but then only a 5/10 above? Pop-music, shit. . . how much?
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when the things you tell us to look out for dont even apply to this film ("wide" release date? Nope. Low marketing budget? Nope. Stars withheld til the last minute? Nope...) You shouldnt be suprised or offended that any inside info you then present is treated with skeptism: giving us an opening paragraph of negative info that doesnt apply does not lend credence to any further negative info you choose to post. Sorry about that, but it's your own fault.
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So now, because you're pissed that everyone chewed your arse over your weightless review, you're going to thump on your birdchest and go to the OTHER extreme and start bashing it? Your first was positive. Tsk, tsk...talk about being defensive. Your attempt at "reviewing" this film is pathetic and laughable. If this is how you react when questioned, you are in the wrong line of work buddy. Sounds to me that you are unable to handle criticism...especially if you are the one dishing it......With regards to "Part II": Again, your review is full of holes. Ben Grimm is not married in this film--at all. The Alicia/Ben Grimm relationship is one of the major fundamentals in the finalized shooting script I have, as well as the novel. It's a chief focus, which you've blown off. And one of the main reasons Act III was rewritten during production was to beef up Reed's character, bring him front and center as the leader of the team. In fact, that was the whole reason Simon was brought on to work on the final script--to correct the Frost characterization of Reed and Doom as archrivals. Yet you say Reed is underused? He has more lines than anyone else in the damn script! Just....stop. Why you don't spend more time and update Muck.com or whatever your site is, and leave the "Critiquing" to Ebert and Roeper capish? Thanks. *roll eyes*
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Jun 23, 2005 1:00:40 AM CDT
You all need to calm down. someone mentioned that FOx is dumping
by the founder
I've seen plenty of spots for the movie on MTV, FOX, Cartoon Network to mention a few. I've also seen billboards and bustop ads. i've also seen got damn huge banners all over the local mall, i mean they are ever where, and from what i know fox hassome kinda deal with a company that owns a buch of mall. I'm sure none of that is cheap. Will the film be good? Who knows, but i say wait until the 8th to make a judgement.
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like FUCK they are. Unless dumping means they are dumping piles of cash into this thing. I don't know about the US, but in Australia you can't turn you fuicking head around here without seeing a poster. This is getting WAY more promotion than batman begins did, especially because the backlit posters stick out like dogs balls. This film may suck the big one, but the general sense I get is that outside of Geek Nation people are really interested in seeing this.
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There's one stretch of my local mall in the States where you literally can't walk fifteen feet without seeing a banner for 'Fantastic Four' hanging from the rafters. And commercials are all over MTV and Cartoon Network. So if I had to guess, I'd say they're pushing this thing. Can't really gauge public interest though. I know it appeals to fairly young children in any case.
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I just love to see all these keyboard warriors who use big words in an attempt to sound intelligent, then go on to spell them wrong or put them in the wrong context. It's really funny. And also the guys that get really REALLY *ANGRY* about what someone else has written. It's laughable! You guys are going to give yourselves aneurysms if you don't start relaxing! "Hey! Someone has an opposing opinion to me! How dare they?!?!? Now, I'm going to get really angry and say nasty things to them on an internet forum. That will really upset them!" ... LMFAO
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Why do you "just love it?" Besides for how ridiculous it is. I got that part.
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Well ... Umm ... That's kinda just it, cos it's, like, ridiculous and stuff, ya know. :-/ ... I'll get me coat.
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... finally got some screen time. Just saw a commercial that showed about 4 shots of him actually stretching that I hadn't seen before.
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Personally I thought bought X-Men movies sucked.
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