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Major DOCTOR WHO News and a Review of This Saturday

I am – Hercules!!

We've been deluged with two major bits of “Doctor Who” news over the last 24 hours:

1) Though the BBC is airing its 27th season finale on Saturday, the series just got a greenlight for a 29th season. There will also be a Christmas special between the 28th and 29th seasons.

2) Despite rumors to the contrary, Billie Piper – who plays the Time Lord’s hot little sidekick – will not only return for the 28th season, she’ll be in all 13 of its episodes.

“Doctahoooo” has a review of Saturday’s season finale. Beware spoilage:

Hi Herc...I was at the press screening of the last Doctor Who episode of the season: 'The Parting of the Ways', so I thought I'd send you a brief review of the episode (there will be a few spoilers, but I'll try to keep them to a minimum!)

Firstly I'll say the episode was brilliant - probably the best of the season, but I'll have to sit down on Saturday and watch it with a little less BBC wine inside me to be sure (such an excellent way to get better reviews in the papers the next day - even if journos haven't enjoyed the episode, they will have enjoyed the wine). It's ridiculously fast paced for the most part, and tries to touch as many bases as possible - how all the plot strands were weaved into something coherent, let alone brilliant is beyond me! There's an excellent sense of desperation that runs through the episode - the stakes are high, and the Doctor is presented with a huge moral dilemma...he ends up making a decision which you imagine not many other fictional heroes would take if they were in his place.

There's a welcome return from Jackie and Mickey, and an early confrontation with the Emperor Dalek - alone in space so long his Daleks now worship him as God. The Daleks themselves are given a bit more menace and insanity through this new aspect to their characters - they hate themselves because they've all been created from Humans which they view as impure. The Daleks look as great as they did in 'Dalek' although the Emperor himself looks a little wrong with his giant eyestalk, but that's a sin I'll quickly forgive if just because his character is an such an excellent contrast to the Doctor's - the dialogue between them is one of the highlights. Have no fear adrenalin junkies as well - there are plenty of exterminations and lots of fighting (we ever get a nice nod back to old Who with the 'my vision is impaired - I cannot see line') - and Captain Jack makes for an excellent leader of troops. Ooooh just got to add about one of my favourite bits - one where the Doctor materialises the TARDIS around Rose and a Dalek - Jack's gun is awesome, and it's cool to see a Dalek in the new TARDIS.

Ultimately this story is not really about the Daleks, it's about the relationship between Rose and the Doctor. I won't spoil the resolution, but I will say that it is going to disappoint a few fans. There is a sense at the end that this stage of the Doctor and Rose's relationship has drawn to a close, and the Doctor has in effect become a new character entirely - I doubt their relationship is going to keep heading in the direction that it was before. I'm looking forward to seeing how this all plays out in the Christmas special (called 'the Christmas Invasion' by the way) and next season. I hope they take the fallout of the Doctor's regeneration as being similar to families that have to deal with someone that has been through a major personality change due to stroke or head injury (does that sound a little tasteless - oh well, I'm digressing anyway). Still, the story resolves naturally - and all the Bad Wolf stuff is answered, but you really have to see it in the context of the story for it to make sense.

There is so much more that can be said about this episode - Saturday cannot come soon enough!

Oh I should just add a few things that were announced at the screening: a third series and a second christmas special has already been commissioned, Billie Piper is in all 13 episodes of series 2, there will be a second series of Doctor Who Confidential, and Russel T Davies is writing the episode that was yet to be allocated - taking his total for series two upto six plus the Christmas special!

Ok, over and out.

Another spy, "Milkybar," sends in a major finale spoiler, which we cloak now in invisotext.

The regeneration scene, that was supposed to happen in the Christmas Special, is actually happening on Saturday. Yep, CE goes, in steps David Tennant, and in classic Who style, his first words are totally absurd - "Hello. New teeth. Now where were we?". So, seems that they have known before they finished filming that a) CE was leaving, b) DT was the new Doctor, and c) the Regen would not happen in the Christmas Special but at the end of the series, as is tradition for the show as a whole....

Which means the Beeb have learned the art of media control over this show, how to whip up an audience, how to make them think things are happening, and also explains the timing and apparent delay in broadcast of Casanova over here (again, well worth the look, another Russell T Davies product)... suddenly my anticipation for Saturday's episode just got ratcheted a couple of notches.....







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  • June 16, 2005, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Wow, somebody screwed up a link...

    by chrth

    Wassup with that?!?

  • June 16, 2005, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Any news on the Doctor in the USA?

    by scratcher

    BBC America?

  • June 16, 2005, 9:06 a.m. CST

    More brit goodness coming next week

    by chrth

    Michael Palin's Himalaya (Travel Channel, Monday at 9). I hope they release the complete DVD boxset of all his specs on Region 1 in time for Christmas...

  • June 16, 2005, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Don't ever say Over AND Out!

    by Shan

    Radio Protocol Basics 101 for Goodness sake!

  • June 16, 2005, 9:38 a.m. CST

    From what i've read..

    by dbalsdon

    they never knew Chris Ecclestone was leaving until AFTER they finished filming(or noit until very near the end). When they found out he was leaving, they had to reshoot the ending of the episode.

  • June 16, 2005, 9:54 a.m. CST

    WHO Cares...This is AMERICA...FUCK YEAH!!

    by Deandome

    Fuck the Brits, fuck Herc & Fuck BBC America. I don't see updates on any other UK shows here, so why do you tease us with daily threads on a show many of us are dying to see but can't?? Are the US DVDs ready to ship? Then shut the fuck up!! Don't pretend this is an international media forum, it ain't, despite the fact that many around the globe enjoy it. Any great new Australian shows...do tell!! I hear there's an Italian sci-fi show that shows titties...what's your take, Herc? (made that up!). Stop the cruel taunting & promotion until BBC America pulls their skanky-toothed head outta their rectum & gives us what we want. You're not helping to get this on the air here, Herc, you're fucking it up. BBC-A's gonna hold of on airings cuz they'll try to sell us DVDs, thanks to you creating all kinds of excitement. If we feign indifference, they'll try to suck us in by broadcasting it. So do us a favor & shut up about the Good Doctor, no matter what's being said across the pond.

  • June 16, 2005, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Dammit.

    by dr_dreadlocks

    One of the rare shows that I really want to watch and can't find any damn place. It's pretty sad to consider such a thing, but it's not airing anywhere near me. Forcing me to have to get it from "other sources"... Although, I'm trying to retain some pride. -- http://www.cafepress.com/thenewpulp

  • June 16, 2005, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Dr Who is all over bittorrent

    by Stewie_Griffin

    Don't know if I'm allowed to say this but if not, sorry, delete this post. For all the Dr Who eps, go to www.mininova.org

  • June 16, 2005, 10:24 a.m. CST

    If you can't find WHO in America, you're not really tryi

    by RenoNevada2000

    Do you need someone to take you by the hand to find it people?

  • June 16, 2005, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Dr Who is very important.

    by Angry Chimp

    It means TV companies in the UK will suddenly realise that you can get massive ratings and lots and lots of merchandising money if you produce something other than fucking reality TV shows and Medical/Police dramas. If you don't understand why Dr Who is big news - imagine Star Trek suddenly being great again... and everyone watching it. I know, hard to believe isn't it? It's a shame it's over, that was the 1st time in many many years that I've watched TV on saturday night. Still, we now have the 2nd series of Battlestar Galactica to look forward to. Christ, look how the world has changed, Star Wars is now shite, whereas BSG and Dr Who are excellent.

  • June 16, 2005, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Some of Us Have Lives & Ethics

    by Deandome

    ...and don't have the time to illegaly download copyrighted materials. Normally I'd rail more about this, but in this case I guess I support those who have found a way to circumvent the law to screw people who are screwing us. But I have a family & don't have time to jump through hoops...much less risk arrest (improbable, but possible). But for those with the will & ability, in this case I support you 100%

  • June 16, 2005, 10:40 a.m. CST

    New Series

    by Darth_Binge

    I fully agree with the Angry Chimp. I also hope Doctor Who can keep it up. I think they may need to watch using up all the classic villians too quickly but im sure they can come up with new better stuff. and alien planets.

  • June 16, 2005, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Multi-region DVD

    by fitzcarraldo2

    I take it multi-region DVD players aren't as common in the US as in the UK? Try looking online for your model's remote hack and if it works then go to www.amazon.co.uk or (my favourite) www.play.com for the DVDs.

  • June 16, 2005, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Christopher Eccleston departure

    by Electric_Monk

    Here's how it went: Eccleston signed on for one season only. He told the BBC he was doing only one season about midway through the production (which would force some changes in the final episode). They made a deal that both him and the BBC would keep quiet about it until all 13 episodes had aired, which would shock and surprise the audience when the final episode of the season, Parting of the Ways, was aired. The Doctor is killed by the Daleks. Before the first episode aired, the BBC was already looking for a replacement and had begun secret negotiations with David Tennant. But when rumors surfaced just days before the start of Doctor Who that Eccleston was leaving, the BBC drama head Jane Trantor tried to cover it it up. But some people at the BBC publicity office were unaware of this, and confirmed to the press just days after the first episode aired that Christopher Eccleston was indeed not coming back for a second series. This forced Tranter to announce a series pickup of 14 new episodes. But she -and the BBC- lied about why the star of the show was leaving. They pubically apologized to Eccleston later. And only three weeks later, Tennant was confirmed as the new Doctor. So, all in all, the BBC came out of this fairly undamaged. The show is a success and they feel that despite Eccleston's departure, the show has enough steam to continue beyond series 2.

  • June 16, 2005, 11 a.m. CST

    DVD release.

    by Electric_Monk

    So, despite no American channel picking up the show, it will be released here in the States on region 1 DVD. The BBC is planning to release the boxed set of the show in November in UK, so expect it to arrive here sometime after that here.

  • June 16, 2005, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Who's Kidding Who

    by Yeti

    Nice to see it back - Overall enjoyed the new series although I found some of eps boring (then again I'm not a kid anymore) They also can't go into depth with the stories with stand alone 45 minute episodes. Hopefully the next "season" will go a little darker, and intoduce some more of the villians from the original run like the Sontarrons, the Cybermen, the Master, or the Rani...

  • June 16, 2005, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Seeing the light.

    by ROBE

    I agree with Angry Chimp, with the success of Doctor Who, maybe British TV companies will realise there is money to be made. Like many other viewers in the UK I am sick of reality TV and soaps, more soaps and more bloody soaps. Not just one episode a week for Eastenders (BBC1) or Coronation Street and Emerdale (ITV) but 3 episodes a week and then usually a repeat on Sunday. With a SCI FI show you get spinoff toys etc. which means more money.

  • June 16, 2005, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Dr. Who

    by PVIII

    I don't mean to be a dick, but I torrented an episode of Dr. Who, and its production values smelled more of Andromeda than anything else. And that's not a good thing.

  • June 16, 2005, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Who's Who?

    by Alex Childress

    I'm a stupid American. Who and what is all this Dr. Who stuff? I keep hearing about but never seen or heard about it until lately.

  • June 16, 2005, 1:25 p.m. CST

    I live in the UK...

    by sshspooky

    And i can tell you the series is tops. The penultimate episode was excellent and I greatly anticipate the final episode. However i would not put to much credence in this review as there were 3 press screenings that each had different things in them. Also, it was planned from the beginning that Ecclesten would only do one season. He was hired for one reason only and that was to bring doctor who back and make it a success.

  • June 16, 2005, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Dr. Who is better than the previous incarnations

    by ZP-Blight

    I tried watching a few of the previous Dr. Who incarnations, but they were so cheesy and the production values were so piss-poor that I couldn't force myself. However! This new version is more cheeky than cheesy and the production values have gone through the roof compared to previous versions. They even intergrated a backstory and a story arc you'd actually care about. And unlike some americanized SciFi, people die, not like die in the background where you see a spaceship with 1000 people explode, but actual death.

  • June 16, 2005, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Twenty-third!!!

    by hairyeggs

    Get in there!!

  • June 16, 2005, 3:26 p.m. CST

    ZP-Blight speaking of people dying in SciFi shows...

    by PVIII

    5 semi-important characters die within the first 6 episodes of Galactica's 2nd season! Spam! (notice I included no names).

  • June 16, 2005, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Believe It When I See It

    by Sans Souci

    This episode review sounds plausible, but I'll not buy into 100%. Davies pretty much admitted to a fairly large misinformation program on "The Parthing of the Ways" before its airing. Meanwhile, it saddens me to see a few people lambasting "production values" when the show has never looked so glossy and polished as it does with this comeback. Could American shows give us episodes like "End of the World" where the hero lets the Earth go boom? Or the fantastically creepy "The Empty Child" 2-parter? And the "Bad Wolf" episode with its extreme reality TV celebrated and mocked just how sick those kinds of shows really are, highlighting human suffering and misery and making it all worthwhile by offering a cash prize to whoever wins at the end. Money is everything, more important that happiness and self-respect! It's too bad to see CE go bye-bye, and Tennant has his work cut out for him. Glad to hear about Rose though, and Mickey and Jackie as well. Bring on the Cybermen! (Maybe they're out to spoil Christmas and they kidnap Santa, replacing him with a Santabot like of "Futurama" who judges everyone to be naughty. Cyber Santa's comning to town!

  • June 16, 2005, 3:44 p.m. CST

    If you're "Dying to see it" Then D/L it, Damn it!

    by The Merk

    More than anything, I want to see the Doc on a U.S. channel. I can't help but think just how much the shows fanbase would grow. But if you are gonna just bitch and moan, spout anti-Brit rubb-ass, then just use bitttorrent and download it. Sheeesh!

  • June 16, 2005, 4 p.m. CST

    Who's Best

    by Capt. Blackadder

    To hell with all that downloading. The new Who should be on US television. Its a shame a few tv companies and big wigs are screwing the fans like this. The new series is brilliant.

  • June 16, 2005, 4:11 p.m. CST

    New Dr Who is Great

    by beerbaby

    As an American who really enjoys SIFI and always liked DR Who I have to say, new Dr Who is my favorite new SIFI Program. Is it just me or do you HATE to see CE go? He is SUCH a great Dr Who that it seems a shame for him to leave after one season. What a good actor. It makes me so sad that the DR is gonna regenerate, I would be happy if he just did one more season... I have to say hes actually my favorite Dr of all the incarnations. The one thing I wanted to see is a back story ep w/ the DR that only got to be in the movie and the radio dramas regenerating into the CE doctor. If they are smart, next season they will have a back story EP where the Movie DR has to fight in the Time Lord/Dialic wars and gets killed and transmutes into CE. This would be a great Geek dream story and would be a good way to get CE back playing the doctor one more time. I wanted to see that ep as soon as I realised that there was no transmutation scene in the first ep of season 27. BTW for any americans that dont understand why people are raving about this show, think of it like this: What if the next Star Trek Season all of a sudden was as good as the first season! Better! Perhaps if kirk could Regenerate...

  • June 16, 2005, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Chris leaving will be the acid test for Dr Who

    by Angry Chimp

    Thing is, the success of the show is in no small part down to Mr Eccleston being absolutely superb throughout - Even in the 1st episode which was probably the worst (but by God did it improve). With him gone it's gonna be a lot for Tennant to carry... I reckon his upto it though, his previous work which I've seen has been good. Interesting times... Now is Adama gonna kark it on BSG?? Actually one other bizarre thing about the Who - and all the other Brits will probably back me up - isn't Billie Piper fab in this show? Previous to this I wouldn't have pissed on her if she'd been on fire. Now, I'd happily douse the flames.

  • June 16, 2005, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Not sure about the new guy...

    by My_wrongs

    ... but to be honest, I'm not really au fait with his previous work - there's just something about his look and manner, from what I've seen, which doesn't quite click with me... still, I wasn't exactly the world's biggest Eccleston fan prior to this series, and he's surpassed all expectations - for the most part, he's really nailed the mix of playful fun and creepy menace that the character needs. It's been a great series for the most part, got off to a shaky start but really hit it's stride with "The Unquiet Dead" - and us geeks should rejoice that there is finally a decent primetime Sci-Fi oasis in the desert of fetid shit that is UK TV. I still think that Simon Pegg would have made a fucking great Doctor though... but I guess that's one geeked out wank fantasy too far.

  • June 16, 2005, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Doctor Who Virgin...

    by superhero

    I've never, EVER watched one episode of Doctor Who ever despite loving certain BBC shows like the 1970's apocalypse drama Survivors and comedies like Spaced and The Office. So if I'm curious about Doctor Who where do I start? keep in mind I'm in the U.S. so I may not be able to find everything. Please inform my ignorant mind!

  • June 16, 2005, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Doctor Who Virgin

    by Celtican

    The new series is designed for new viewers to walk straight in and pick it up. Then you can always discover the classic series later. Recommended classic episodes: 'An Unearthly Child', 'Tomb of the Cybermen'and 'Genesis of the Daleks' to start you off.

  • June 16, 2005, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Doctor Who Virgin

    by wanax

    If you want to go the legal route, Superhero, there's a number of episodes from the old series out on DVD. You can find a classic episode from each of the five first incarnations of the doctor at the DVD section of our site's Amazon Bookshop ( http://bitsofnews.com/modules.php?name=Amazon&op=ShowFI&catalog=dvd )(Blatant plug for own site), among them my personal all time favourite, the Tom Baker story "The Talons of Weng-Chiang".

  • June 16, 2005, 8:18 p.m. CST

    wanax: Weng-Chiang

    by jocutus

    Was that the one with the homunculus? That little guy creeped me out way back when.

  • June 16, 2005, 8:20 p.m. CST

    PVIII

    by ZP-Blight

    The new BSG is probably the best SciFi (notice I didn't say fantasy as at least for now Lost is not yet SciFi) TV show in the last decade (at least if they manage to keep it up through Season 2). Sure, we had firefly and farscape, but farscape episodes were either great or piss-poor with not much in between and firefly never really got off that strongly with episodes being shown out of order and the whole series being only partially shown (on the air). Dr. Who is more fun than fiction, but it does raise a few interesting points. And I would like to see Dr. Who address the singularity effect, that's something perfect to deal with when dealing with time travel.

  • June 16, 2005, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Unearthly Child

    by Mad_Radhu

    I dunno about that classic who episode. It was the first, but it was basically just the First Doctor and company mucking aboutn in the stone age. There's a real good reason that it took over a decade for Target Books to novelize it (they instead started off with the first Dalek story and just wrote a new introduction for the Doctor into that story). As for more golden oldies, there are a lot of great Tom Baker episode's. City of Death, by Douglas Adams, it s great one.

  • June 16, 2005, 8:43 p.m. CST

    jocutus: Weng-Chiang

    by wanax

    Yes, the Peking Homunculus, the freaky snorting giggling overgrown puppet from Hell with the mutated brain of a pig... Jupp, that's one freaky doll. I've had some bad dreams about that bugger I can tell you.

  • June 16, 2005, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Davros

    by Capt. Blackadder

    I thought his last appearance was weak. I seem to recall he whined alot. Maybe it was poor writing.

  • June 16, 2005, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Unearthly Child?

    by Bad Wolff

    Please don't tell new people interested in the show to watch Unearthly Child! Most anything before Tom Baker is only to be watched once fandom has been achieved. My advice? Start with the new series. Great place to start.

  • June 16, 2005, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Don't expect Sci-Fi to pick it up anytime soon....

    by Bad Wolff

    Sci-Fi passed on it before it began airing in Britain. The reason is simple. BBC want too much money for it, and they insist on forcing the old series in with the deal. This means no major American network will pick it up until the BBC get's their heads out of their collected arses. Somebody please tell me what is ethically wrong with downloading this series. It isn't available until after it's aired. It isn't available on any of my other FREE television. It comes as broadcast on the BBC, complete with BBC voice-over plug at the end. How is this any different than taping it and watching it later?

  • June 16, 2005, 11:06 p.m. CST

    CBC has it.

    by Mad_Radhu

    If you are in the Seattle area, the cable carries CBC which has been showing the new series. The times have been a bit odd, so it helps to have a TiVo to find it on the schedule for you. A lot of the northern US might also be able to get the show if they also have CBC on their cable.

  • June 17, 2005, 12:01 a.m. CST

    I come here and avoid spoilers

    by proper

    Only for Daily Mirror to ruin the mystery villan secret before I came here anyway.Spoilers everywhere you go!!.Screwing.Nice distortion on the characters voice though.

  • June 17, 2005, 2:36 a.m. CST

    Don't know what the Mirror said...

    by Bad Wolff

    But the voice you heard in the preview wasn't a distortion of the character's voice. It obviously was of the actor, but the character has a very distorted voice to begin with....

  • June 17, 2005, 3:10 a.m. CST

    No Davros!!! Oh man, what a missed opportunity. Emporer Dalek?!

    by Big_Bubbaloola

    When I were a lad, Davros scared the living shit outta me!!!!!

  • June 17, 2005, 5:54 a.m. CST

    Unearthly Child

    by Celtican

    Alright I concede, episode 1 of Unearthly Child only. The rest gets a little dull but I appreciate that people like to see how a show started, ie. the pilot episode. Anyway the whole Baker was the best Doctor thing, just a matter of opinion. Mine was Troughton.

  • June 17, 2005, 6:52 a.m. CST

    by theymademedoit

    Deandome "Fuck the Brits, fuck Herc & Fuck BBC America." Shut the hell up u angry angry man.I'm british and I have just as much righ to view this site as you do. It is an international site cos people from everywhere look at, as you explain in your own point 'Don't pretend this is an international media forum, it ain't, despite the fact that many around the globe enjoy it.'Man ur talking bullshit. Doctor Who is a landmark series in British history loved by millions over here.So get out of your own ass, stop criticising Herc for running the posts.Peole want to read about it so jus chill the fuck out man.

  • June 17, 2005, 6:54 a.m. CST

    Seminal Who Stories

    by Sans Souci

    Yes, I said "seminal." Snort snort. Anywho... HARTNELL: An Unearthly Child, The Daleks, The Aztecs, The Keys of Marinus, The Dalek Invasion of Earth. TROUGHTON: The Tomb of the Cybermen, The Mind Robber, The War Games. PERTWEE: Infero, The Three Doctors, The Claws of Axos, Planet of the Spiders. BAKER: The Ark in Space, Genesis of the Daleks, The Masque of Mandragora, The Face of Evil, The Pirate Planet, City of Death, Logopolis. DAVISON: Four to Doomsday, Earthshock, Kinda, The Five Doctors, Black Orchid, The Caves of Androzani. C. BAKER: The Twin Dilemma, Vegenance on Varos, The Mark of the Rani, Trial of a Timelord. McCoy: Time and the Rani, The Curse of Fenric, Silver Nemesis.

  • June 17, 2005, 8:08 a.m. CST

    We Should Be So Lucky.....

    by Real Deal

    To have this show in america! I've seen it and I know where the money for this show is going. The writers, the actors, and the fx! A perfect mix. Most shows skip one or the other. Not this show. I was a doubter before I saw it. Not anymore. I just wish Eccelston wasn't leaving! The SciFi channel had a chance to put something on that would enhance their new lineup with something different and they blew it! When you watch this show you can tell it's crafted. That the people care alot about what they're doing. I had no doubt after watching the 2 parter " The Empty Child " and " The Doctor Dances ". I'm an american and I love this show. I just wish someone over here would pick it up.

  • June 17, 2005, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Whiny US....

    by Atomic Bongo

    All you whiners..."we don't have the show in the states..." Boo fucking hoo - now you know why the film and tv business is screwed, because you air everything in the states so the rest of the world has to pirate the material to watch it! So a) stop whining... and b) get the US networks and companies to do a Global release of films and programs, wouldn't that be so much more fun?

  • June 17, 2005, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Why Sci Fi or some other station can't delevise it in the st

    by cooper2000

    I've been able to see all the episodes up to Bad Wolf and I have to say, this is a great "Reamagining." Great writing, story arcs and multidemensional characters give this show a whole new feel. This is not the old Doctor Who! It's better!

  • June 17, 2005, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Bad wolf

    by proper

    Distortion,modulation,I know the coup maaan :).Bloody Sun ruined it further today as well,I'm buying the Sport tomorrow at least they might show nude Billie with their spoilers.Might as well dload it less than 24 hours before broadcast,or invite the actors round and read the script to me to top it all off.Bahhh.

  • June 17, 2005, 2 p.m. CST

    Atomic Bongo

    by Bad Wolff

    The US pretty much does do a global release for movies and programs. Are you telling me you can't see any movies from the States? And you can get all US tele programs too, at least on Satelite.

  • June 17, 2005, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Celtican

    by Bad Wolff

    I still wouldn't show the pilot episode to someone new. It's kind of missleading anyway. My fave is Sylvester McCoy, but I wouldn't show a new person anything from season 25. I like Troughton too, his stories are just so long and slow. Product of the times. Baker is the first bit of watchable Who for someone new. And Sans, half of what you list as seminal is crap! Logopolis? Four to Doomsday? Time and the Rani? Silver Nemesis?! Ugh. Doctor Who was better than these.

  • June 17, 2005, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Apparently, the executive producer/writer of this season has sai

    by ScarranHalfBreed

    Scaring kids shitless is what Dr. Who's all about isn't it? Looks like the second season MAY BE dumbed down.

  • June 17, 2005, 2:18 p.m. CST

    And I feel sorry for the US viewers...

    by ScarranHalfBreed

    ...I don't see why we should spit venom at them cos they can't see something they really want to see. That's just the sort of childish, geeky bollocks that I expect from the stupid, ignorant little twats who post on this site. Wow, look, I can swear so therefore I'm far more mature than you. Don't fret, U.S., you'll be able to get the DVDs from BBC America at some point in the future.

  • June 17, 2005, 3:02 p.m. CST

    The Cybermen will be in Season 2 Official

    by Roborob

    Davis has confirmed that The Cybermen will be in Season 2 and as I prefer them to the tin plated pepper pots darleks YaY! The Cybermen in Dr Who were natives of Earths twin Mondas. Due to some disaster Mondas was thrown to the "edge of Space" The Mondasiens built huge engines to propell themselves back to the Sol System, they had to Cybertise themselves to survive the journey, Mondas returned in the far future of 1986 where it was destroyed by Doc 1 at cost of that regeneration, after trying to steal all energy from the Earth. But some Mondasiens had left Mondas before it left the Solar system, they too had cybertised and they attacked in 1979 but were defeated by Doc 2. Some of these cybermen survived and spred out in different groups, some of which attacked several times in the 21st Century But all were defeated by Doc 2. Else where The cybermen invaded and cybertised other humanoid worlds. In the 22 Century the cybermen fought in a war against humans, the humans developed Glitter guns which fired Gold (fatal to cybermen) The Gold was obtained by Volga which was later blasted out of orbit by the cybermen. Also in that Century the Cybermen invaded Telos home to the Cryons. The Cryons needed sub zero temps to survive, The cybermen slaughtered the cryons and took over their refrigerated cities, they then entered a hibernation to save energy and waited for some fool to open their lare and relaunch them onto the galaxy. This Happened in the 25th Century but fortunetly Doc 2 was there to stop them and seal them up in the refrigerated city. (The Tomb of the Cybermen). Volga settled in Orbit of Jupeter one of the last free groups of cybermen tried to destroy it but Doc 4 stoped them and destroyed them. Another Group found the tombs on Telos and freed the rest of the cyber race they then launched an attack on the Galaxy that forced the Galatic powers to come together (saved by Doc 5) and they force the cybermen back to Telos. To stop this The cybermen used a captured time machine they traveled back to 1985 to stop the destruction of Mondas, Doc 6 stopped them and then travelled back to the 25th Century to destroy the Telos Cybermen and aid the few surviving Cryons before the cybermen destroyed Telos. BUT Doc 7 encountered these modern cybermen in 1988 that cyberforce was destroyed, but where had they come from? and did any survive???? I guess in Season 2 we may find out.

  • June 17, 2005, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Love the re-cap, Roborob

    by Bad Wolff

    The Cybermen are really cool. Can't wait to see how they are updated. Judging by the excellent Daleks, I think we're in for a treat, and not some crappy borg-like rehash.

  • Apart from the Sontarans, I can't think of another alien race from DOCTOR WHO that I want to see get a 21st century updating than the Ice Warriors. And even classic Ice Warriors and Sontarans are better than the bloody Slitheen. On the other hand, I'd gladly give 'em all up for a chance to see the Master or the Black Guardian again. And thank Rassilon for U.S. sci-fi convention bootlegs of the 2005 series, especially since the Sci Fi Channel and BBC America have single-celled organisms heading up their Programming departments...

  • June 17, 2005, 5:31 p.m. CST

    RTD said next season would be less intense?

    by Bad Wolff

    Why would he say a thing like that? Doesn't sound like him. Anyway, how would that sell the show at all? Sounds like bad info.

  • June 17, 2005, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Ice Warriors would be great!

    by Bad Wolff

    But they should handle them like they did in later episodes, where they are allies of the Human Federation rather than enemies. Oh, and the PC term is Indigenous Martians.... ;)

  • June 17, 2005, 6:37 p.m. CST

    The "second season not intense" thing was from Teletext...

    by ScarranHalfBreed

    ...so it was probably rubbish. It wasn't even from RTD's gob. It goes: "But series two, which has not been filmed yet, will not be as intense." I think (I hope!!) the journalist misunderstood what he was saying.

  • June 17, 2005, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Swarmy...

    by ScarranHalfBreed

    ...is the one who's messed up this Talkback. It's too big for my screen. Now... BED!!

  • June 17, 2005, 7:50 p.m. CST

    To Bad Wolf

    by Sans Souci

    I can't believe I'm repsonding to someone with that moniker. Mercy! Anyhoo, just because a story is seminal doesn't mean it's good, although it's my opinion those listed are, and if it's your opinion that they're not then so be it. Seminal means they give an accurate impression of each particular Doctor and how he tackles affairs. Hartnell was irrascible and did the heavy thinking, letting the others do the heavy lifting. Troughton was the scramp who presented a comedic face hiding a formidable intellect. Pertwee was the dandy who had to contend with threats to Earth through an ecological perspective in touch with the culture at the times. T. Baker was the funnyman often stuck in very unfunny situations. Davison was the young guy who tried to do the right thing but didn't always succeed in the way he expected. C. Baker was the arrogant and fractured antihero, almost a younger version of Harnell. McCoy was the mysterious "wizard" who often encountered the goofiest threats to reality ever. Would you rather prefer The Feast of Steven, The Power of Kroll, Time Flight, and Delta and the Bannermen? Oosh!

  • June 17, 2005, 7:54 p.m. CST

    The Cyber Shuffle

    by Sans Souci

    I hope we'll be seeing very intense Cyberman actually. The Cy Guys always were more menacing than the Daleks but lacked the powerful punch of story the likes of "Earthshock."

  • June 17, 2005, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Cyber Leader

    by Capt. Blackadder

    Any chance of David Banks comming back to his role of Cyber Leader? The man has done a hell of a job with that role in the past.

  • June 17, 2005, 11:42 p.m. CST

    by The Beast

    I have every doctor who episode that has aired in england, and i'm in the USA! HA!!! I didn't read the spoilers, because the series has been so great, I don't want anything ruined for me. But i heard contrary to the news... billie was going to be back for season 28, i've heard nothing of 29, and the christmas special is supposed to be between 27 and 28. Anyone else know about this?

  • June 18, 2005, 4:36 a.m. CST

    Christmas specials

    by ScarranHalfBreed

    I just assumed there were going to be two Christmas specials, for different years. Maybe it'll be a traditional thing, like the Only Fools and Horses Christmas specials. Make them dark and disturbing, scare the kids on Christmas Eve.

  • June 18, 2005, 5:15 a.m. CST

    Seeing the Show in the U.S.

    by Playhouse

    If you live anywhere in the northern U.S., you should be able to pick the show up on CBC out of Canada. Like someone mentioned above, I'm in the Seattle area and they broadcast the show on Tuesdays at 8.

  • June 18, 2005, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Swarmy The Troll Can't Help Being......

    by Real Deal

    Narcoleptic. It's just his nature.

  • June 18, 2005, 9:43 a.m. CST

    I'm not crying Wolf this time honest

    by proper

    So I bought the Star(I Know,I know leave me be) today as it had a free DVD(Thats my excuse and I'm sticking to it),only to find further spoilers(half empty) but a tasteful pic of Billie in a green basque(half full).I avoided Star Wars spoilers for nearly 3 years and got taken out in a week.Liberties,I'm glad its on in 3 1/2 hours so I can put it behind me.BTW Dr Who on Christmas day should become a tradition.

  • June 18, 2005, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Billie Piper

    by ROBE

    Just a shame it wasn't her that appeared in Bad Wolf What Not to Wear. You can tell RTD is gay. Still he has done a good job (Russell if your reading this MORE Billie Piper in short skirts for season 2) Just saw Batman Begins, boy does this kick the other Batman movies ass! Oh well only two and a half hours to go before the final Who episode, SOB!

  • June 18, 2005, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Holy shit.....

    by RobinP

    That's all.....nothing left to say.

  • June 18, 2005, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Just seen the last Dr. Who...

    by ScarranHalfBreed

    ...that was excellent. The Daleks are officially scary again. Really good surprises throughout. And was it me or did they scary-up the music at the end? Not that you could hear it with that wanky announcer. The music is actually scary again too! Next season is looking better and better.

  • June 18, 2005, 2:09 p.m. CST

    final episode, best yet by a million miles

    by stoopid1

    As a cynical Brit, everything is up for criticism, but anything that has the Tardis being opened with a Mini Cooper elevates it to a new level of genius. This episode was superb, couldnt have been any better if it tried. 1000s of fanatical religious daleks invading the world (coughBushcough), Rose becoming the soul of the Tardis, death everywhere, including the Death of the Doctor (was gonna mention a spoiler, but come on, its Doctor Who, its the name of the game) and the birth of the new Doctor "Hmmm, new teeth,thats weird....where was I? Ah yes, Barcelona!" Absolutely superb, for the first time in a long long time, something made me proud to be British, and it was Dr Who. Come on Xmas and season two. The new doctor looks like a laugh too.

  • June 18, 2005, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Just want to say, if youre american and have been following this

    by stoopid1

    Really really good British Sci Fi.In fact, although im still buzzing at how good it was, i'm tempted to say that was the best Dr Who ever.

  • June 18, 2005, 2:11 p.m. CST

    and on a final note for the season

    by Scioptic

    FANTASTIC! roll on christmas :)

  • June 18, 2005, 2:19 p.m. CST

    bloody hell

    by Wyrdy the Gerbil

    Just watched the final episode and bugger me the Big BAD WOLF was`nt the Daleks,wow did`nt see that comimg at all....

  • June 18, 2005, 2:41 p.m. CST

    I'm impressed....

    by VaderIsMyFather

    Very impressed; that episode was Absoutely AWESOME! I was on the edge of me bastard seat!

  • June 18, 2005, 2:43 p.m. CST

    that was magic

    by Mr_P

    very very very good ep but I hope that Davies comment about Daleks being gone for good is just misleading - maybe season 3. Can't wait for cybermen. Is it just me but is 13 eps too short? 22 as in US is too long so is there a happy medium? Nice to see the UK can produce some great sci fi and would be nice if we can share it and put something back in when we depend on the other side of the pond to deliver so much good tv. By the way Swarmy no wonder you are sleepy banging yer maw all night fair takes it out of a guy (believe me I know - yer maw that is!)

  • June 18, 2005, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Daleks gone for good, not a chance.

    by Scioptic

    In the ep before this one, Bad Wolf, when Rose is shot and transported she leaves behind a pile of dust which theres a close up on with the doctor. Near the end of this ep we see Jack go to check the space where the Daleks were and we get a shot of him checking a pile of dust on the floor. So at least one of them got out of there in time. Like anyone would be able to totally kill off the Daleks :P

  • June 18, 2005, 3:23 p.m. CST

    excellent ending to a patchy series

    by mansep

    i'm sure they'll learn from what worked and what didn't and make season 2 even better. nice one.

  • June 18, 2005, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Mr_P

    by ScarranHalfBreed

    Where did he say the Daleks are gone for good? I hope this isn't true, but I think too much of a good thing is bad for you and, like the Borg, will start to ruin a fantastic space monster. They must come back though. While I liked the other eps in the season this was the only one that really shook me. The thing about Daleks is that when you see one coming towards you, you're dead. There's no escape. You can't hide behind them or outrun them. They will keep coming after you and then they'll kill you. I had one as a pet once. It shit everywhere.

  • June 18, 2005, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Absolutely terrific - FAMILY sci-fi at it's absolute best

    by Angry Chimp

    And THAT is the point. It is not a competitor for all our other beloved sci-fi shows, not even the great BSG - this is a show aimed at families - and no one can realistically argue that judge in that capacity this hasn't been an huge success. Tennant definately has his work cut out for him

  • June 18, 2005, 4:33 p.m. CST

    I don't know Mansep...

    by Bad Wolff

    I don't think the series was patchy at all, and very little didn't work. Even the Slitheen worked their second time around. RTD has delivered Dr. Who back to us!

  • June 18, 2005, 4:38 p.m. CST

    For instance Souci...

    by Bad Wolff

    Time and the Rani in no way is seminal for what Sly McCoy was all about, but you did leave out Ghostlight, and Greatest Show, which are. For Davison, I think you will find that Four to Doomsday is a lot less what he is all about than, say, Enlightenment. Or Warriors of the Deep, for that matter, if we're talking about things from the perspective of the character of the Doctor alone.

  • June 18, 2005, 5:04 p.m. CST

    "If you wanna remember me.......

    by togmeister

    ........have a great life, Rose. Have a fantastic life." I'm welling up as i type. You Americans just don't know what you're missing, us Brits have seldom had it so good.

  • June 18, 2005, 5:20 p.m. CST

    "DaleksI had one as a pet once. It shit everywhere."

    by stoopid1

    Genius

  • June 18, 2005, 6:28 p.m. CST

    It's going to be a long wait until Christmas...

    by Kelvington

    RTD very well done! Sorry to see CE go, but the new Doctor is off to a good start, sort of reminded me of the Colin Baker regeneration. Having Rose being the Bad Wolf was fairly well done, although dealing with Daleks they way they did was a little short. Hoping to see more of them "blowed up real good" but perhaps in a few seasons. I hate to see the Doctor kissing companions, I didn't like it 1996 and I don't like it here, even if it was to save her in a fairy book story style. Well they are off to a good start, RTD don't screw it up!

  • June 18, 2005, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Please delete Swarmy's zzzz post

    by supertoyslast

    Just to get Talkback back to its normal width. Anyway, great episode. 5 stars, although The Unquiet Dead and The Doctor Dances are still my favourites. I don't think that I will submit any reviews for The Christmas Invasion or the next series as plenty of people will be reviewing those and too many reviews can be a chore to read through. But thanks for posting all of my reviews so far, Herc.

  • June 18, 2005, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Fantastic

    by Darth_Binge

    fantastic - but Rose powered up by the time vortex thingy was very much a take on bad witch willow from buffy season 6 i think (or similar at end of season 7).very well done, weaved in stuff from all the other episodes. the mini cooper bit was classic, even the anne droid bit was brillant ! also was it just me or did the face of william hartnell appear for a brief second during a certain scene ?

  • June 19, 2005, 12:02 a.m. CST

    Seemed a bit of a cop-out (but still...)

    by ejcarter9

    A bit of a Deus ex Machina, a bit of the kind of thing I was hoping they wouldn't do (sentient all-powerful aspects of the Universe, Creation, Life, Death and in this instance, Time). However, I can be forgiving because it was such a GOD DAMN good episode and a great ending/beginning. Just don't do it again.

  • June 19, 2005, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Only one quible

    by Corwin_X2

    It really should have been Davros saying "They survived through me!" Though I suppose he's been killed off so many times that it could have been a bit of a stretch to bring him back. Or maybe there were rights issues? Pity. Billie Piper was great as uber-Rose though. The scene owed a lot to Primeval in BTVS, where Buffy did her Matrix thing - but none the worse for it. Because I think this episode worked so well for exactly the same reason that the whole Buffy series did. It was a real kick seeing a cute Companion, historically known mostly for their screaming abilities, beating the crap out the Doctor's greatest enemies! I also really liked the way she said "*my* Doctor" - hinting that she was, at that point, as much an incarnation of the Tardis as herself. I hope the next couple of series expand on the theme of the Tardis as a living, thinking entity. Not in the Andromeda sense though - that'd be too derivative. Just more hints that the Tardis always knows what's going on and can sometimes maybe act independently.

  • June 19, 2005, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Doh, Bad Wolff

    by Atropos

    "The US pretty much does do a global release for movies and programs. Are you telling me you can't see any movies from the States? And you can get all US tele programs too, at least on Satelite." Uhmm, I think it was fairly clear that the poster you responded to meant SIMULTANEOUS global releases. And you're not going to tell me the U.S. does that, now are ya? I'm still waiting for Sin City to open here...