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Disney Animation update! TOY STORY 3! Newest from makers of LILO & STITCH! & More!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with a big ol' update on the future of Disney Animation post-Pixar. I still hate the mandate to cut all traditional animation in favor for strictly CG animation, especially after watching Miyazaki's latest on the big screen Tuesday night. That wasn't 100% traditional cel animation, granted, but most of it was. There's a warmth to cel animation, an artistry that can't be mimicked by most CGI. Pixar movies are on another plane... I don't know... I just think it's ridiculous to put an out and out ban on cel animation, especially at Disney, a studio built on it.
Sorry... let me kick this soap box outta the way so you can get on to the news... I actually like the slate they have... I even like the story for TOY STORY 3, even if I have zero faith that Disney can pull it off without Pixar. Now what really intrigues me is project called AMERICAN DOG directed by Chris Sanders who directed LILO & STITCH, Disney's last truly great animated film (when I say Disney I mean non-Pixar Disney, of course). It sounds out there, in a great way... almost like a brainfart from Herman Merman from BAD SANTA, just missing the talking walnut and long eared donkey. A DAY WITH WILBUR ROBINSON sounds like it could be geeky cool, too. Thanks to Rav for the heads up... What do you folks think of the line-up?
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Walt Disney Feature Animation has made its first public recruiting pitch to the animation community in four years with executives from the studio unveiling five films on which they are working.
They also showed off the animation tools they are using as Disney makes the transition from traditional 2-D pen-and-ink animation to 3-D computer animated features.
A team of Disney executives on Tuesday made an impassioned plea for the Los Angeles Professional Chapter of ACM SIGGRAPH -- the area's premiere computer graphics artists -- to join the animation studio during a session at the ArcLight cinema complex in Hollywood.
With "Chicken Little," the studio's first 3-D animated film, set for release Nov. 4, Disney's animation division is undergoing a transformation in the wake of several unsettling developments. Last year, "Toy Story" producer Pixar Animation Studios ended talks about extending its deal with Disney. Internally, Disney issued a controversial corporate mandate to end all traditional animation processes in favor of computer animation. And over the past year, several key animation executives departed the studio.
The Disney team touted the company's new Glendale-based computer animation building, which is earmarked for "Toy Story 3" production, which Disney is proceeding with under its contractual right to produce sequels to the Pixar films. The story follows Buzz Lightyear as he is recalled to Taiwan after a series of malfunctions. Learning of a productwide recall, all the toys in Andy's room, under Woody's leadership, head to Taiwan to save Buzz from doom.
The program included preview material from five 3-D computer animated movies in the pipeline, which will comprise the studio's homegrown animation slate through 2008.
Nearly 10 minutes of scenes and set pieces from "Chicken Little" demonstrated how Disney is tackling such technical and artistic computer animation challenges as fluid simulations, chicken feathers and fur, subjected to sophisticated wind modules.
A second project, tentatively titled "A Day With Wilbur Robinson," based on the book by William Joyce, follows a time-traveling 12-year-old orphan who hooks up with a 13-year-old kid from the future in settings that recall 1930's "Metropolis" and the cartoon television series "The Jetsons." The project stars stylized young human protagonists and a mustachioed and bowler-capped villain.
Ten minutes of rough story boards, hand-drawn animatics, and raw computer animation were shown from the tentatively titled "American Dog," from director Chris Sanders ("Lilo & Stitch"), which is scheduled for release in 2007. Sanders' canine, a TV star, drinks martinis with starlets and showboats on sets until he is suddenly abandoned in his trailer in the Nevada desert where he meets up with a radioactive rabbit and a one-eyed cat who are trying to find new homes.
Also shown were brief test shots from "Rapunzel Unbraided," scheduled for release in 2008. Longtime Disney animator Glenn Keane, best known for animating the Beast in 1991's "Beauty and the Beast," is making his directorial debut with the movie starring a computer-animated princess.
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Hmmm. a dog that drinks martini's? At least that's original...
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Toy Story without Pixar?? No way! Disney's animation is heading for its doom, especially since they have abandoned cell animation. Fuck them.
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I hope so. Fuck Nascar.
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Jun 16, 2005 4:12:21 AM CDT
Sounds okay but will Tim Allen and Tom Hanks be returning?
by regicidal_maniac
Lilo & Stitch 2, which is being made here in Sydney at the moment, is reportedly much much better than the Stich cartoon and is more in keeping with the original.
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Taiwan? You gotta be kidding... I want to give Disney the benifit of the doubt... but this just isn't encouraging...
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Typical Pixar strategy, create a teaser waaaay in advance, then drop off the radar. Cars isn't shelved, but we probably won't be hearing about it for awhile.
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trust disney to come up a story that's tried and tested and safe
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I'll say it, I'm not a fan of CG cartoon. Don't get me wrong, Pixar have produced a shitload of great movies, they look great, but...
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All they need now is a baby with homosexual leanings and a love of science that hates its mother
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goodbye disney.
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Disney is making a big mistake dumping 2D animation! 3D may be nice, but it shouldn't be the only kind of animation out there! The reason why 2D is in such bad shape has to do with bad stories! Not because people don't like 2D anymore! And for the record, I can't stand 'Lilo & Stitch'!
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So, before you slam all those projects, take a look at this artwork for, for instance American Dog. It's really stunning!
http://www.zewebanim.com/images/american%20dog%204.jpg
http://www.zewebanim.com/images/american%20dog%203.jpg
http://www.zewebanim.com/images/americandog1.jpg
http://www.zewebanim.com/images/american%20dog%202.jpg
this stuff was also featured on AICN.com a while ago, so do a search for more stuff on the other features mentioned, look at the artwork and then post your opinion...
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Jun 16, 2005 5:19:07 AM CDT
Has Disney DONE any 2D that was worth a damn in the past 10 year
by horseflesh
Maybe it's time they passed the torch.
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Jun 16, 2005 5:43:14 AM CDT
Disney desperately would like everyone to believe hand-drawn ani
by sans souci
They're keen to hide the fact that the Mouse Emporer has no clothes. Dazzling effects and imagery do not make up for a shoddy script and a tired plot, which is what most computer animated films spewing forth from Hollywood are baggaged down with. I'd rather wait for something like "Wallace & Gromit: Curse of the Were-Rabbit" then suffer through "Robots" and the like.
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First of all, how old is the Buzz you now? And what parent is going to bother sending a $10 toy to Taiwan for minor defects...esp. after having it for several years. Whatever.
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The Toy Story 3 story sounds lame. How many times must they go and save one of the toys? It worked in 1 and 2 well, but 3 times around is 1 time too many. Get some fresh ideas.
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Wasn't it going to be released in '07?! And wasn't there going to be plans for "Peter and the Star-Catchers" as well?
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Yes you too can experience the wonder of the new "Disney's Tunnel to China"! Just visit the grave of founder Walt Disney....hes spinning so hard he should be popping out in Bejing any moment now.
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That Disney is legitimately run by the devil? I mean seriously. They exploit their older films for a quick direct-to-DVD buck... They own a theme park which is ridiculously over-priced, and they make films that are generally banal and wasteful. I mean seriously, it's like no one cares anymore as long as they're in the black. It's so sad to watch a company shit on itself, and then play in the mound. Sad, but oh so terribly true. God bless Pixar for saving the childhood of this generation. -- http://www.cafepress.com/thenewpulp
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I think The Lion King was the last good Disney film. 2-D that is. If Disney can match the bar raised by The Incredibles, then they should do fine. But consistency isn't their strong point...
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Jun 16, 2005 8:05:43 AM CDT
Drop "Unbraided" from the Rapunzel movie--or change it to "Unbou
by drath
I mean Disney didn't need to call it Sleeping Beauty Unconscious, or Cinderella Undressed, or Snow White...Unconscious. It's just a stupid thing to put in the title. Not that Disney ever does anything stupid...
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Sounds a lot like We3 minus the powersuits
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Toy Story 3 could work if it was Pixar and featured the storyline that Lasseter sketched out. On the Ultimate Toybox DVD edition you can see how Toy Story 2 fleshed out ideas discarded during the process of making the first Toy Story. There are also hints of what Pixar would have done with a final chapter of the Toy Story series. Throughout the first two films there are a few references to what happens to toys when their owners grow up. This is a dilemma for all the toys since they know their fate is inevitable - they just hope it won't be today. So a final part of a Pixar Toy Story would be about Andy growing up and giving up his toys. This is the saddest of all days for the toys, but there is fresh hope when they are donated by Andy and his mother to a children's playgroup - where they will be loved, cherished and played with by children until the end of their days. This would have been a beautiful ending to a Pixar Toy Story trilogy and was the ending to one of the first versions of the original Toy Story. I might be in favour if Disney told this story and ended it with the third film. But they won't - Toy Story 4 is already in development. Which is at least one film too far. And what happened to Gnomio and Juliet?
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Jun 16, 2005 8:35:03 AM CDT
TS1: Woody resuces Buzz. TS2: Buzz rescues Woody. TS3: Woody r
by frankdrebin
To be honest, I actually like the latest clips from CHICKEN LITTLE. The hexagonal piece of sky-comoflage that falls at the kid's feet reminded of Jim Carrey almost getting beaned by a spotlight in TRUMAN SHOW. CL looks like a funner version of WAR OF THE WORLDS--you know, for kids!
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It'll be 8 or 9 YEARS between Toy Story movies when this comes out! These toys should be JUNK after that long! Why not make it take place in rummage sales, dumps, garbage bins? It could be a very dark and touching movie if they dealt with issues such as the mortality of the toys, bonding to avoid certain doom, have incinerators and such (things hinted on before) but they're pulling an X-Men 3 and just rehashing a plot. Lame. Maybe they're saving the dump thing for part 4. No, because that would "end the franchise" Disney probably wants 10 of these damn things.
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Jun 16, 2005 9:44:56 AM CDT
Disney will make LOTS, DUMB people will flock to buy this crapfe
by rectalscan
Try and remember people. All Disney has been turned into is a babysitter/ADD machine for little brats. All those idiotic soccer mom's will continue to buy up their crap no matter how bad it is. Those dumb bitches when they have their first little kids, all they do is pump them full of disney merchandising and crappy videos. Disney sells NOT because they are fine examples of cinema, but because the typical dumb young mothers and elementary teachers want to have at least one copy of every movie to park their kids in front of for hours/days/weeks. Trust me I know, I used to work at an elementary school. Those bitches were FANATICS about ANYTHING to do with Disney. They can't shove it down the kids' throats fast enough. I repeat, they will continue to keep selling as long as we are raising ADD/idiotic kids to follow in their mothers footsteps. In my humble opinion of course.
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Toy Story goes to Taiwan? Disney once again reverts to the "gag" based movie rather than a compelling story, which the first two had in spades. They just want to make a funny trailer. Can't wait for Woody to run into all those hysterical Asian toys. "Pikachu? What do you think I am, a Michael Jackson doll?" Laugh fucking riot.
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...by fucking up the Toy Story franchise out of sheer egotism?
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... once again ... traditional animation (or close to it) is alive and well in Japan. The most important thing is that the scripts are good, more so than the artwork ... (stating the obvious) ...
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Expect tons of canary yellow slit-eyed cartoon guys- who speak crazy gibberish! Hilairty! Every time!
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Great source material. Disney can't possibly mess this one up.
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Jun 16, 2005 10:53:36 AM CDT
Good idea actually, why don't Tom Hanks and Tim Allen reject
by scrumdiddly
That would be great... fuck disney!
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Jun 16, 2005 10:56:32 AM CDT
Wait a second, that story isn't what Pixar came up with orig
by scrumdiddly
Pixar's was to do with Andy growing up, and all the toys searching for a pre-school "paradise"...i.e. AN END. This Disney shite is just another "rescue me!" chapter, one of many I'd think.
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Is because of the culture of animation in a corporate sense. I worked in CG feature animation and here's what's different: in 2D animation, you have artists DESKS with drafting tables and inks and bottles and pencils and a layout to accomodate such. They have assistants. It takes time and organic talent and results to impose producer mandated changes are slow and laborious. ____ Apart from Pixar (whose campus truly gets what a culture for animators should be like) the other studios prepping major 3d animation appreciate that CG animation can be treated like office work - all you need to give an animator is a desk in a cubicle with a workstation. That's it. Hence you have a corporate environment and culture, with a better bottom line, and utilizing a lot of ridiculously overwrought technology, all 12 producers can meet in editorial and demand changes down the pipeline even in the roughly animated stages. ______ This story for Toy Story 3 sucks so bad they should just call the next movie TOY 3 since there's no story. I expect outrageous Tainwanese factory worker characters with buck teeth and bowl cuts, or maybe a cute multiethnic child who works in the factory and with Buzz and Woody's help liberates her fellow workers - it'll be very Tianamen Square even though Taiwan is a practicing democracy. Buzz will say to the cute little tyke "All you have to do is believe!" and she will and thus an army of toys will free her and her fellow child laborerers from the yoke of having to hand paint McFarlane toys. Then there's the Slammin' (c) new character they will introduce, Chinkasu-San, an anime styled young samurai who has an urban hip hop street fighter companion, who performs outrageous martial arts moves when a chip is implanted in him. The merch opportunities are limitless, and the asian crossover will allow Disney to show those Japanese bastards that Miyazaki doesn't deserve to make so much money.
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Then there will be a bit in Cars where a kid car is playing with his toy cars who kinda resemble Woody and Buzz and then they talk to each other with Hanks and Allen's voices something along the lines of "phewww, we're safe here".
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Seeing the images for myself I conclude that you MUST be a troll. Probably why everyone else was wise enough not to respond.
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God really hate disney they continue to suck donkey balls anually. They can't capture the magic of sword in the stone. Oh and euro disney sucks, mostly cos its in france tho.
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Normally I hate anyone who puts 'x' = 'y' but on this occasion it's the friggin' truth. At least, they're creatively dead. They relied on Pixar to deliver them hits and now they've split the House of Mouseshit is going to struggle to make it on their own. They should have kept traditional animation. However, I can see why they didn't. After Nemo, Shrek etc. the stupid public think everything needs to be CG animated or else it's shit. Hence why Shrek 2 was a massive hit when (in my honest view) it was a fairly dumb cash-in. Fuck knows what Shrek 3 and the spinoff movie will be like...... People see CG and think 'great'. Well, Cars looks like a piece of shit, and the idea is the most sucky that Pixar have had, but because it's CG Pixar people will flock to it. Disney are banking on this concept working for them. And it's why their continuing the Toy Story series. A known brand. It doesn't matter that they're going to rape the franchise's asshole, they have done that at least ten times already with all their stupid *insert Disney classic* 2 titles. You can't just animate any old piece of shit and say it's great. The same principals have to apply to an animated movie that apply to ANY movie - great story, characters, actors (or voice talent in this case), great direction etc. Fuck Disney.
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I think Mulan is pretty underrated. Yes, Tarzan and Hercules are crap. Hunchback is also pretty much crap too.
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The talent in CG animation around LA think of Disney as a last resort for work, and are only going there for the $$$. They don't give a shite about Disney. They resign themselves to the fact that the stories will be lame and they do acceptable work and collect their paychecks. No one on the inside thinks that Disney will reclaim its name in animation under the current regime. The lawsuit filed by Roy and Stanley should worry the a**wipes in management, because it could lead to a house cleaning in the board of directors and an uncrowning of Iger. Oh, the guy who was Disney's axeman for TSL, WDFA LA and Orlando was put in charge of the Toy Story 3 studio. That's inspiring! Don't we all want an executioner as a boss? I'd feel trusting and secure in my job for, what, minus 3 minutes.
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For what they are intended to be, The Emperor's New Groove and Lilo and Stitch are both good movies. So that makes 3 decent movies after Lion King (out of, what, 15-20?) ;-)
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only makes money by making crappy direct to DVD sequels aimed at the under 10 crowd. As for theatrical releases I though The Emperor's New Groove was a riot, but my guess is Disney will produce another bomb along the lines of "Treasure Planet". Eisner's blood pressure will go off the charts and there'll be another major bloodletting at the House of Mouse's Animation Dept. They were fools to let Pixar walk away.
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My problem with those shots are that they look like 2-D concept drawings. So why not make the movie in 2-D? Oh, right, Disney's gone insane. Bambi 2 is on its way, which I think is an insult to every fan, but it'll sell, just as all the Disney crap does. I just hope eventually folks will get wise to Disney's strategy, and start demanding quality product.
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the American Dog concept stuff looks lovely......but unfortunately, I suspect the rich painted look will turn out to meerly be pre-production art and the final product will be another plastic looking 3D effort. The sad thing is, CG doesn't HAVE to mean toy-story type 3D environments and characters. Computers can create almost ANY look, from something closely resembling traditional cell characters to a rich oil painting come to life. Look at Mirrormask: I know the CG was pretty unpopular here for whatever reason, but I LOVE it, it looks like a painting come to life. and that's the thing, you can set out to make something that doesn't look like a cartoon, and doesn't look like real life and ALSO doesn't look like a bunch of highly rendered cartoony models wandering around, but is something unique and exciting.
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because it sounds like they are completely ignoring the source material. When was he ever a child who could travel through time? When did he go to the future??? The appeal of the book is the fact that there's this normal kid, with what seems to be a normal friend. He goes over to his friend's house, and apparently his entire family are crazy geniuses, and they do all this crazy stuff! The appeal is that it's set in our time! That we can imagine that maybe, just maybe, this could actually happen! Those assholes.
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Just like the era of stop motion animation--Dead! It just takes too long, is too labor intensive and is too difficult to implement changes. But this isn't a bad thing. The beauty of CGI is it can be made to emulate ANY artistic style or look. I have no doubt there will be movies with the traditional 2D cel-drawn look in the future. It's just that they'll be created inside a computer, and not by an army of low-paid artists in Asia. Ultimately, this will mean more variety and greater content for consumers.
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Disney has read too many of USA Today's articles. Everytime a successful computer animation movie appears, the article mentions the downfall of traditional cell animation. Does anyone really think The Little Mermaid would have looked better, or sold more tickets if it had been done with computer animation? The thing that has made the Toy Story movies, Monsters INC and Shrek so successful is great stories, great characters, and great voices. The summer Shrek appeared, so did Atlantis. My son, who was eight at the time preferred Atlantis to Shrek. I know because he wanted all the Atlantic toys from McDonald's but none of the Shrek toys from Burger King. Which was the better children's movie? Atlantis, even though it had an incredibly weak ending. Shrek was not a children's movie. Which was the better movie? Shrek but not because of computer animation. Personally, I've already grown tired of computer animation. Visually it is not as beautiful or esthetically pleasing as traditional cell animation. As soon as two major computer animation movies flop, the studios will turn away from the genre. It's too bad because it is a worthwhile genre, but it is only as good as the story, characters and performances. But, since that has always been true of all movie genres and we still get mostly bad movies from the industry I suppose the simple lesson will be ignored.
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1. I don't be one of these "boycott X-Men!" type of nerds, but I honestly will not see a Toy Story movie not made by Pixar, even if it looks good. And I will lose whatever respect I may or may not have had for Tom Hanks and Tim Allen if they accept the money. * * * 2. I am very curious about Rapunzel Unbraided. Glen Keane is a superb animator (see Tarzan), maybe the best Disney had. I hope it is actually 2-D with digital enhancements and that Disney is just hyping up the computer aspects because they have this foolish notion that people only like Shrek now. * * * 3. Extremely nitpicky note: most animation studios stopped using cels years ago. Traditional 2-D animation is generally done these days by scanning in pencil drawings or sketching with a digital pen, then coloring digitally. There are many great things that can be accomplished by combining computer imagery and coloring with hand drawn figures rather than computer models. Personally I think that despite the Phil Collins songs Disney's Tarzan is great, partly because it has such beautifully 3-D looking 2-D animation. 4. Hand drawn animation will never die, I just hope it shows up more often than stop motion does these days.
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The reason that Disney Corp reps were making such an impassioned speech about their "exciting" line-up of future films was that they hope to con animators into actually working for them. After being treated so badly by management and seeing the feature animation division decimated, I can hardly see how any animator in the know could trust them, let alone work for them.
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These people spouting off these statements about style and not content crack me up. It doesn't matter how the film is created. It is all about the content and story. Don't they get it out there. I used to love the story floating around about there being interest at Pixar to do an animated film. Wouldn't it be great if they did and it kicked ass! Think about the ramifications. ;)
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Shite burgers, hit the enter key there......
anyway, what I WAS going to say is stop motion animation is far from dead. Stop motion was never that big in movies as a genre in itself. While there are loads of live action films which used it for effects work (now largely superceded by CG and to an extent, advances in animatronics) there have been very few notable fully animated stop motion movies. In fact, the only ones I can think of that had any kind of impact were made within the last 10 years or so (Nightmare before christmas, chicken run) with more to come (the new wallace and gromit movie). Where stop motion has really made an impact is in kids TV. I dunno about the states, but in the UK we have a ton of popular kids TV shows both modern and classics that are entirely stop motion, and they don't show any signs of ill health. and short/experimental animation is still chock full of stop motion work. -
The covered wagon worked fine, who needs a newfangled automobile? And who would bother with a word processor when they have a perfectly-good typewriter! Calculators and computers are just a fad, and the abacus will be making a comeback really soon!
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I'm a recent animation graduate and follow the Disney war on a regular basis. I just want to say that albeit we have a lot of beef against Walt Disney Studios, and the decision to can 2D animation is, in my eyes, blasphemy... CHICKEN LITTLE doesn't look all that bad. Also, many of the 2D animators (one of whom I know), have been trained in 3D and are making the transition over. The artists are all very talented and many are excellent storytellers. Where things face going badly is with the executive decisions. The head is messed up but the body isn't all that bad, so to speak. One example: many of the artists complained about or hated working on "HOME ON THE RANGE" and I didn't even care to see it. BROTHER BEAR was almost a great movie until they softened it up and made it light in tone. It would have been far better dark and without all the songs (sorry singers, I grow weary of animated musicals). LILO & STITCH is one of the movies where change was a good idea. In one scene, Stitch was going to put his hand in the blender and turn it on. The execs stopped that scene saying: "you do realize kids are going to try that." Good call. Secondly, in the climax of LILO & STITCH, Stitch was to hijack a 747 and fly it through Honolulu and whisk through the buildings. You know that scene where the ship flies through a valley and knocks out the guy's ice cream cone? It was originally the jumbo jet downtown. That entire scene was completed and ready to go... and then 9/11 struck. And what took them 6 months to animate, they had to quickly redo in a handful of weeks to meet the deadline. I hope Disney does bring back 2D animation someday, and I expect that they will. Each story requires its own medium and I am sure a story will come by someday that they can't pass up that calls for 2D. It'll happen, I'll have to be patient. IN THE MEANTIME, let's pray that they shape things up in the executive offices and that glorious features return to the limelight. (With that said, back to the art table I go).
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no, begging for it. for disaster!
SUCK IT UP AND SIGN THE DEAL WITH JOBS. PIXAR IS THE BEST AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT. SIGN THE DEAL WITH PIXAR AND WE WILL GET GREAT MOVIES. IF DISNEY MAKES TS3 W/O PIXAR IT WILL BE TERRRRRRRIBLE.
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that series of insightful and totally relavent not at all straigned metaphors has opened my eyes! New stuff is clearly always better than old stuff, which should be superceded and ruthlessly destroyed. Clearly the printing of books should be phased out in favour of the new and better ways of the e-book! who needs pianos when you have a yamaha keyboard? Classical style film scores? hell, starwars would be SOOOOOOO much better with a hip and modern TECHNO soundtrack!
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Jun 16, 2005 9:51:07 PM CDT
ZombieReign: was that sarcasm about a martini-drinking dog being
by frankdrebin
And there was an ancient movie and tv series called TOPPER with a martini-slurping saint bernard. Seriously, AICN needs to enable italic text or have a dedicated font for us to use when we're being sarcastic.
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Art is not made by computers nor pencils. Art is made by artists, and artists continue to animate with pencils, paint with oils, as well as play with computers. A quick visit to the Pixar website and a look at some of the employee profiles there will tell you this: those guys can draw. Any animator, any professional artist will tell you that traditional skills are paramount. There's a set of problems you have to deal with when you're making a picture, regardless of the tools you're using to make it- where's the light in the scene? How can you show weight and movement in a character? What makes one surface look slimy and another one look fuzzy? A computer cannot answer these questions for you any more than your word processing software can write a letter to your grandmother.
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Anybody who has the English dubs of any of Miyazaki's recent releases has seen and heard John Lasseter talk about how much he admires and respects Miyazaki. Ask Lasseter if he thinks 2d animation is "dead". Art is not competitive- this isn't a videogame where one method of art performs a Fatality on another method and rips out its spine.
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Jun 16, 2005 11:07:29 PM CDT
Re: "starwars would be SOOOOOOO much better with a hip and moder
by jollysleeve
I know you were kidding here, but seriously, don't give Lucas any more bright ideas.
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Jun 16, 2005 11:56:46 PM CDT
Reports of the death of 2D animation are grossly exaggerated...
by wild at heart
It's still alive, and will continue to be, in the form of Flash animation. Flash has become the basis for a lot of TV productions (I've worked on one myself) and will continue to grow in sophistication. In the meantime, individuals on the net will continue to work with it until, in not too long a time, I imagine, we will be seeing some very exciting stuff coming out of unexpected places. It is coming. When creatives get the technology to make films THEIR way then things will change - and rapidly!
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Maybe in the Toy Story universe, Taiwan is seen as the equivalent of heaven. All toys come from Taiwan...it is therefore the home of the "creator." Woody and the boys travel there in search of Buzz and spiritual enlightenment. When all they find is cheap plastic crap and Asian porn, they return to Andy's room, with the final shot of a drunken Woody placing his pistol to his head and declaring, "God is dead." Beautiful!
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The toys make two sides, old school, and new school. Big long battle scenes, but then they figure out that they shouldn't be fighting, their all the same. So then they turn on the humans and kill all of them. Now I'd pay to see that movie twice!
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I think 2D animation will come back to life when someone (maybe one of us on the talkback board?) proves to the public that animated films can be more than just Fairy tales and musicals. Not that I have anything against Fairy Tales. I rather enjoy them BUT I personally think that "Sin City" would have been INCREDIBLE as a 2D animated film. Animated the same way it was drawn in the comic. How great would that have looked? I realize the Japanese have been breaking genre boundaries for years with 2D animation and god bless them for it but, I always found most Japanese animation to be too technical and soul-less. If some American were to put that American spunk and emotionality in to an animated film of a different genre, then I think it would catch on again. Someone is bound to do it sooner or later.
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It's really sad to think a company like Disney has been steadily declining since Lion King, it's last great 2-D film, and it's most significant successes as of late were projects in which the creative credits went to another company.
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Ripped off from Rover Dangerfield. Remember? Remember that shit movie where the dog kept making wisecracks and straightening his tie? Wait. Why did he have a tie and no pants?
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Jun 17, 2005 11:20:58 AM CDT
Please, for the love of all that's good in this world, PLEAS
by durendal
That money-grubbing twatwaffle has eaten Disney and crapped out what we see today. He has no heart, no soul, and he probably eats babies, too. They did a healfhearted ousting from the board, but they need to strip him of his CEO title and kick him out for good. Put Roy Disney back in the company. At least he seems to have a vision of what they should be doing there: Creating good movies with real heart and soul, not endless DTV steamers that shamelessly cash in on any possible franchise. All they need to do now to complete the circle of evil is have one of their little-known subsidiaries create an animated Snow White and the Seven-Way Gangbang hentai porno, where all the dwarves have tentacle wangs. May Eisner burn in all the hells there ever were.
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a 2D animated film. There was a rumor floating around that Pixar was thinking of creating one. My bad...;) Here is to good animation in whatever form it takes.
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