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Our first (real) WAR OF THE WORLDS review, from the German premiere!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with the very first authentic review of WAR OF THE WORLDS that we've gotten, this one from the German premiere. For those that want to know nothing about this film, the below review is very positive. There aren't many spoilers below at all, but if you want to keep 100% pure, I understand that. The rest of you enjoy! I can't wait for this sucka!
Hi Harry
I have just seen Steven Spielberg's "War of the worlds" here in Germay. I'm not good at English and I've never written a movie review before, so I won't torture you with one coming from my hands. I also know that Spielberg has asked journalists to wait with their reviews so I'll respect that and simply put down a few lines about my feelings of this movie. I'll break down in a few sections to make it easier for myself:
1 - The story
Well you'll recognize certain elements from the book and the overall plot is also pretty similar to the book, but other than that there are not that many elements from H.G Wells classic. That doesn't mean I didn't like what they did with the movie version, on the contrary! This movie has a tight storyline. It is a real survival story and also remniscent of some of the old disaster movies from the 70s, with a small group of characters fighting to get out of the way of destruction. Of course it focuses mainly on Ray (Cruise) and his two kids and their journey. I read before that this was going to be a very "intimate" story about surviaval and that it is. People who hope to see huge scale destruction will be disappointed. The action doesn't really get any bigger than what you have already seen in the trailers. It is told through the eyes of a small family, and the only action we see is what they see. No swooping helicopter shots of destruction and pulverised landmarks. However we hear about a lot of terryfieng stuff through radios, military and others, and it lets you imagine all these thing if you know what I mean. The action scenes feel more like a documentary, sometimes with handheld camera. It's extremely cool as the scenes seem far more intense. As a whole this movie seems more like a horror movie than an action movie. There are several moments where you are holding your breath while sitting on the edge of your seat. Especially in a sequence when the family is caught behind the "enemy" lines, while the Aliens probe all hiding spaces for human beings. That was truly frightening.
2 - The acting
WOW. This really blew me away. The interaction between Tom, Dakota and the boy playing his son is incredibly convincing. You really care about these persons after a few minutes into the movie. Normally I am pretty cold when it comes to the acting in American blockusters as it is always second hand to the action, but in this movie I felt a lump in my throat several times because I really cared for the characters.
3 - Special effects
It may sound as though there is no big action sequences in the movie, but that is not true. There is plenty of action but it (almost) always takes place "behind" the actors the camera focuses on. This way it feels a lot more realistic. And talking about realism! This movie - in my mind - shows us the best use of visual effects EVER!!! There is not 1 instance where you can tell it's CGI. It looks incredible. When the war machines first appear it looks so real and convincing. I don't know if they actually used models or what but they look incredible. It is also nice to see that houses blowing up etc. are the real deal and not miniatures.
4 - Overall
This is a fantastic movie. It feels sooo "spielbergian" and I truly believe this will end up being my favourite Spielberg movie so far. I just need to see a few more times to see if it really holds up. There is so much tension in this movie and it utilizes some of the best elements of Jaws, Close Encounters and Saving Ryan! Man I suck a writing about a movie, know I will stop. I could just have written 1 word: FANTASTIC!
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The trailers have given away so litte, which is rare.
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no way....it can't be a first with my first ever talkback post! Anyhoos .....Spielberg/Aliens....I'm there
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Went to Batman tonight(awesome, by the way) and saw the new trailer for this. I have to admit it gave me goosebumps!
I was a little disappointed that they didn't keep it in the original time period at first, but I don't think that matters too much anymore. This is gonna be everything ID4 wasn't.
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Episode III, Batman Begins, Land of the Dead, AND War of The Worlds...we have been truly blessed this summer...despite all the haters...
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well, fourth still isn't bad for a first ever post. Anybody else think that Dakota Faning is a really annoying brat though?
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This has been such a great summer for movies so far. Star Wars 3 was good. Batman Begins was great. And this is next one I'm waiting for. June 29th, June 29th, June 29th, June 29th... Damn it, it's the 16th!!
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Can't wait to see what the alien ships look like. I hope they are true to the "classic" - cause that's a sweet look. I can't wait for this movie! I'm such a dork I've had the Jeff Wayne musical version of WOTW since I was 8 (most people have never heard of it)! Man with those 70s/80s synths... sweetest ever...
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The kid from star wars...now THAT's an irritating child actor. I find Dakota Fanning to be creepily intelligent in interviews, although I admit she is WAY overused.
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I thought I was the only one who'd ever heard that! It's soooo Awseome!
Best synth music ever! -
Hodor.
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...is THE next one... (Sorry, it's the wee hours of the morning.)
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i heard that she has a nip slip about half way through. iz zis true?
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But I still don't know how they pulled it of in less than a year. A Spielberg wants Vengeance (the Munich 1972 thriller) out there in December. Could be 1993 all over (with Jurassic Park and Schindler's List). Let's hope so.
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So far this year we have seen SIN CITY,REVENGE OF THE SITH, and BATMAN BEGINS. Now with WAR OF THE WORLDS can Blockbusters of this genre recieve the respect and admiration from the entire film community. There are those out there that feel these films have nothing to do with real filmaking, they won't fit under the caliber of films to be considered essential study material for film students as Sydney Pollack would attest to. Coporate commericialism at its worst, but screw all of them. It's about having fun, escapism, taking risks at bringing these worlds to life and seeing them in a whole new light. GEEKS be damned if we feel that such movies aspire our imaginations. Frank Miller's Sin City was bound to become a movie and boy did it become an instant cult classic. Lucas and Spielberg always reign supreme when they are in the zone. Christopher Nolan brought redemption to Bob Kane and the city of Gotham. The movie industry is suffering because only a handful of good films are released and the rest are just plain pothetic. Take your time and do it right on any film. If you make it right people will come.
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another big budget summer movie that is actually good?? too good to be true.
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tadatadatadatadaada HEY, tadatadatadatadaada Hey.
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I prefer to lower my expectations... I hope this film will put him back on track because with movies like: The Terminal, Catch me if you can didn't impress me. Question: If Spielberg is such a great director... why does he always need big names like Cruise, Hanks, Di Caprio etc... to promote his more recent movies. Even with those big names, some of his movies were just average. For me the real gods of movies are: Cronnenberg, Lynch, Kubrick and the more recent ones: Nolan, Gus Van Sant, Gilliam and Aronofsky.
This site is very interesting, Take care everybody.
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Jun 16, 2005 1:26:01 AM CDT
So, they might show the impact on a wider scale in the sequels .
by shan
... that they were talking about? I hope so. Obviously, I don't know how it ends but if it's like the book, due to micro-organisms or something else in the environment the invasion halts, maybe it could turn out that this was just an advance expeditionary force. After all, who commits all of their armed forces to an attack without having reserves?
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noooo! okay, a little off-topic, but Batman Begins was awesome and a franchise is obviously starting again there. but what made me weary was the open ending with the Joker. they're going to fall into the same shit again! Nolan might direct a second one if they throw enough green at him, but what the hell? there will never be an END. just like spider-man, by all accounts. there is no finale with comic book movies. that's why they all fizzle and die. they just jump more and more sharks. what i think would be cool if Nolan came back and made two more - the third being the end of Batman, if that's ever been written in some form. ****************** Now, that said - War of the Worlds can't have a sequel! i don't know who is saying that (i didn't want to read the review, but noticed a talkback with the notion). hell, Jurassic Park shouldn't have had a sequel - i STILL can't believe Spielberg agreed to that, what a joke. (you KNOW he signed on just to do the last 20 minutes - which was great, however.) anyway, i'm spent.
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Close Encounters, maybe. The Color Purple, perhaps.
Schindlers List, yeah whatever.
Saving Private Ryan, if you insist.
War Of The Worlds? Big bridges collapsing, and spaceships kicking ass? Tom Cruise agreeing to age before our eyes by having a teenage son? Dakota Fanning not wanting to eat your own face off out of sheer annoyance?
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If the Munich pic makes it in under the wire, that could be interesting. I had a feeling going in that this might be one of the better summers for movies that we've ever had. By the way, what's the over/under for number of posts in a BB/WOTW talkback before someone makes a Tom/Katie jibe?
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Jun 16, 2005 2:02:58 AM CDT
"That said, War of the Worlds can't have a sequel! I don'
by commando cody
Actually, Microwavable, it was CRUISE and SPIELBERG who were saying that when the movie was first greenlit. So it comes right for the horses' mouths. When they first teamed up, in interviews both of them noted how David Koepp (the screenwriter) had structured WOTW to ultimately be a trilogy. And Cruise himself in interviews said he was looking at WOTW to be -- and I quote -- "my next big franchise." Yes, that would be the word "franchise" as in clearly there would be MORE than one movie on the drawing boards. But as I said, a lot of that talk got pushed aside once production got underway. Besides, right now I'm sure they all simply want to see if this first one does all right at the box office, which I think it's safe to say it will...
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On behalf of those of us who haven't seen Batman Begins yet, and who read you're "a little off-topic" post, let me say this: Try using SPOILER ALERT next time. You could even post something more "on-topic". Asshole.
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Do we brits save the ferry with one of our great type 45 frigates? That would be cool.....Managed to organise going to a press screening on this one...hoorah!
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I don't think there were ever any actual interviews where Cruise or Spielberg said they wanted this to be a trilogy, just a few whispered rumors and such. Personally I think the trilogy rumors just came about from some reporter misunderstanding how Spielberg often refers to this film as being part of his alien trilogy.
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and despite AI and Minority Report, I'll give Spielberg one more sci-fi chance. And even though I know everyone is only interested in good reviews of Batman Begins, here's my review of Batman Begins: SPOILER ALERT!!!!: BATMAN BEGINS FUCKING SUCKED. Will there be a Batman Begins Talkback #2? I'll post a more concise review if there is...
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Does it look like something someone could have written without having seen the film and just gone on what is already known and some educated inferences? Not complaining, just making an observation.
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so, we wont see bird's eyeview of the aliens and destruction? everything is seen from the small family's perspective? everything is only heard from radio? it might be original if it hadnt been done is signs. with spielberg at the helm, and worlwide alien invasion to play with, i expected it to be big in scale, ala ID4, only serious in tone. instead we got a bigger version of signs, another mediocre movie that made money. and i'm also curious about one thing, why o why is david koepp still working? not only that, he seems to always get hired for high profile big budgeter. there's not one single movie written by him that doesnt make me think he's nothing but a hack writer! and yet, he keeps getting picked up by talented directors. blow my mind, that.
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i'm curious about one thing, why o why is david koepp still working? not only that, he seems to always get hired for high profile big budgeter. there's not one single movie written by him that doesnt make me think he's nothing but a hack writer! and yet, he keeps getting picked up by talented directors. blow my mind, that. if you can bitch about directors being a hack, you should also bitch about good directors hiring hack writers. goyer, koepp, akiva goldsman, these guys need to stay away from genre movies.
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I have the feeling this thing is going to be awful...can anyone say A.I or Far and Away?
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Damn fat fingers....
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Well I agree with you on that point, although the academy will NEVER nominate a geek film for an award except for maybe best sound or best special effects. With the academy awards we are forever stuck with a long line of "Million Dollar Babies" and "Shakespeare in Love", soapbox politics, and hosts that keep getting worse each year. The academy doesn't really seem to care that each year the ratings are tailspinning down for the academy awards, and this year people were actually seen on camera walking out of them halfway through. Here is an idea. Why don't we just find some way to convince Harry or Robert Rodrigez, or some others to form some kind of seperate film geek academy awards. The ratings for it would be through the roof. The show would be so much cooler. Cool films would get much deserved recognition. Something like that would blow the academy awards, with their artistic judgemental egos, out of the water in a ratings and coolness war.
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Jun 16, 2005 3:05:01 AM CDT
Fuck this movie. If people are bashing the FF from their traile
by lordenigma
Good lord. WOTW looks like total and utter ass. It looks as fucking bad as the Patriot. Good lord. Spielberg saw Black Sunday, and decided to rip it off with aliens? Shite. Total and utter shite.
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"WOTW is gonna get an oscar.""spielberg are lucASS are the crown jewel of cinema." "movies are about having fun. that's why quality is going down, because they dont make fun movies anymore." waaa waaa waaa...!!! seriously, educate yourself. dont aspire to be harry, or even mory. their taste is horendous. aspire to be better movie geek by watching great
cinema. godard, fellini, truffaut, antonioni, kurosawa, bergman. know these guys? ever watch their movies? just any one? no? then dont bother to think you know shit what you're talking about. movies are about fun???? what a dumbass notion! blew my mind there are
still people who think that and still claim they are movie lovers. spielberg is a great technical director. he is a genre MASTER. but he's nowhere near those directors i mention above, precisely because he thinkslike you guys. he thinks movies are just for fun. at least, most of the time he thinks that way. and who the fuck care if he wins another oscar. when was the last time oscar was relevant? let the film be judged on its own merit, not because of how many statues it won. bunch of nimrods! -
Jun 16, 2005 3:15:09 AM CDT
LordEnigma, its pretty tough to bash WOTW from the trailers
by thirteen 13
mainly because the trailers don't show anything except for a few blips of Tom Cruise looking worried, some shots of him staggering through wreckage, or some other shots of people in a town watching a mountain glow blue from a meteor hit, and thats about it. I'm sure if they made a longer more revealing trailer if would currently enjoy being raked over the coals right now. With the exception of Saving Private Ryan and Schindlers list, Spielberg has alwasy disappointed me with teddybears and gremlins and peter pan pirates, ect. ect. I'm gonna wait for further reviews before I lay down money for this on the big screen.
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I enjoyed how you actually answered your own rhetorical question. How about you 1. ask the question and 2. wait for an answer? Are you retarded? Do you really doubt that 90% of us have heard of your easy directors? Excellent directors, all of them, but here's a fucking clue: they don't make movies anymore. We're here talking about film makers who're making films right now. Want to see a talkback about Kurosawa's films? Be patient and maybe Shizukanaru Ketto will get released as a special edition on DVD. Then the entire talkback will be about Kurosawa. Reality check, prick, this talkback is about fucking War of the Worlds, directed by Steven "Jaws" Spielberg. Why the fuck do you have to bring up your film school primer chapter one "relevant" directors here? We are not impressed. Take your high-faluting film sensibilities and stuff them up your ass to keep your head company. Peace, brotha.
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the Academy Awards and box office figures are fucking meaningless.
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fight club is better than american beauty despite losing the oscars to the latter movie in the same year. gladiator is a straight action movie and it won an oscar. face/off is a more emotionally satisfying actioneer and it was denied nominations. why? because it has guns in it, not swords, that's why. guns are childish, dont you know? million dollar baby is best picture? actually,i still dont get why unforgiven was heralded as a masterpiece. i never see eastwood as this great director, but the academy apparently adores the guy to death. halle berry, simply the worst BIG actress in hollywood today, won an oscar. so does helent hunt, another mediocre actress. beautiful mind, shakespeare in love, american beauty, million dollar baby, these are the kind of movies academy voters love, and they are weepy sentimental snorefest! did citizen kane won an oscar? did the best of scorsese movies? what won one? titanic. yeah, that was oscar material. aliens was a better movie, but hey... creatures in outer space is childish, dont you know?
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Jesus! This film is bound to divide people - there will be those who don't appreciate the 'less is more' approach (americans no doubt - everything's gotta be HUGE, right?) but when i see comparisons to 'Signs' that just floors me....this film will be immense, the trailers were PERFECT, the perfect foreplay....& the full blown sex is only a few weeks away now....
Spielberg is IMO the most naturally talented director in the world & with WOTW he is in his element...pure n' simple.
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Jun 16, 2005 3:39:08 AM CDT
come on, you're favorite spielberg movie??? That's sayin
by orionsangels
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I think so. Definate yes from me.
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Jun 16, 2005 3:42:23 AM CDT
The analphabetic midget Cruise and the lunatic megalomaniac Trav
by salvatoregravano
However, in this version they should adapt their whole bible. And keep the camera tilted at 140 degrees all the time.
By the way, since this has nothing to do with Wells other than the title and the concept of the invasion, why didn't Cruise "expand" it? For instance, by having the Martians (or whatever Spielberg remade them into...) defeated by Dark Overlord Xangoo (is that the name of the scientologist god, Tommmyboy?).
Oh, as for Fanning, the decision to cast her has a really simple explanation: she's the only female in Hollywood who's (still) shorter than Cruise.
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i dont know why you are arguing with me because it seems you think the same way i do, which is that oscars and yes, box office are for nimrods. they dont mean shit. and my post above is directed by those posters who are already screaming oscars for spielberg and this movie nobody here sees yet, like everything with spielberg name attached is a sure thing. or that anything worth a damn needs to be oscar-stamped to prove its worth. it's not. and yes, i do think not everyone here knows about those directors i mention, espesially those who said movies are made solely for fun.
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not to defend it or anything.i stay away from any cults with jenna elfman in them.i'd just like to know what it is..
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The directors you listed weren't exactly obscure and I'll bet most people here have heard of them. Even morons got the internets.
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I'd like to see that in a XXX flick one day, but then again, coming from the land of "Scheisse Films", it would not surprise me.
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Jun 16, 2005 4:06:36 AM CDT
Spunkfly. you seriously dont think this movie mirrors signs?
by cloudrider`
i notice there are some grammar mistakes in my posts above. pardon me. i should have proofread them first, and save myself the shame. but anyway... onto signs vs WOTW. signs is about wordlwide alien takeover. so is WOTW. signs centers on one small family, a father and his kids to be specific. so does WOTW. in signs, the suspense is built by not showing too much, everything is only seen from the family's point of view. so is in WOTW, if the review is correct. so... and no one else sees this as similar to signs, but with bigger budget? really? come on now.
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Signs sucked.
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i never said that nobody here knows those directors, only those who thinks spielberg is the greatest living director(he's one of the greatest genre director i say, along with cameron and PJ), and movies are made only for fun. nobody who have seen the works of godard or fellini will say that. you just wont. watching great movies will give you a new perspective. it did to me. okaaaayy...? there.
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Jun 16, 2005 4:19:16 AM CDT
"godard, fellini, truffaut, antonioni, kurosawa, bergman. know t
by kintar0
That's not you saying "nobody here knows those directors..."?
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It was shown on terrestrial last night so I thought I'd give it a chance and was surprised that it really was as bad as the reviewers said back when it was released. It was like watching children playing war. Or an old seventies or eighties Dr Who episode with an extra 100 quid for effects.
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Sounds cliche' but i can't help it.Think about whats coming out this year,War of the worlds by Speilberg,Romeros Land of the Dead,A new start to the Batman series,wich by the way kicked ass on every level and a sequel should start filming now,and the last Star Wars flick.We should all be just a little fucking happy here folks. All this in one summer.
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no need to quote me for something i just wrote minutes ago. yes, i said those. but also... what else did i say before that in the same post? did i not paraphrase-quote the talkbackers to whom i was addressing? again, my post was directed for those who.... why bother. yeah, youre right. when youre right youre right. you all are fricking idiots. i am the mighty one here. you all should bend down and suck my huge johnson. and be grateful while doing it. yeah. and spielberg are for sissies. and teaser trailer are for sissies too. why dont they follow the marketing genius of lucas and show EVERYTHING months in advance? dont they have toys or books to sell for this movie?
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Jun 16, 2005 5:15:05 AM CDT
The Chances of anything coming from mars - were a million to one
by samson_k
I am looking forward to this movie
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Why does every movie that come out today have to be slated for triology treament? Sequelitis has run amok, I tell you! War of the Worlds: War Harder! War of the Worlds: How Kelvartika Got His/Her Groove Back! The final movie would no doubt focus on any surviving alien invaders being detained at Gitmo, with senators and inhuman rights proponents arguing over their treatment. Whatev. All indications point to this movie, be it a first installment or a stand-alone, to be good. Speilberg can do horror quite well, and this is certainly the vibe the trailers are carrying. Most of the "war" will be fought off-screen with the characters doing their best to get away or hide from it...pretty much like the book. We're not going to see anyone streak into the alien mothership in a stolen tripod.
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Although Wells was an atheist (certainly in his later years), the line about being saved by "the littlest things that God in his wisdom had placed on the earth" is not an invention of the George Pal movie, it came straight from the book. An odd way for an "anti-religious" book to finish. The review by the way is suspiciously "planty" given the writer's supposed limited command of English but I still have high hopes for the film.
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Sorry this is off topic but I
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I think that Wells intended his book to be more anti-colonialist and anti-Imperialist than anti religious. It was inspired by a story at the time about the brave British colonial forces and their incredibly brave and selfless battle against the heavily unprepared Tasmanian aborigines. The brave lads went there and armed only with carbine rifles and heavy artillery faced the savage Tasmanians who were armed with spears and a total and ruthless trust of any newcomers! We showed them a thing or two that day I can tell you - bloody savages with their un-British ways! Grrrrrrrr! Anyway, Wells was so appalled by what he was hearing about around the world - not just from us Brits (though we were the first nation ever to use concentration camps - take that Frtiz) and we introduced scalping to the Injuns (not so clever now are you Geronimo?) - but from the French, the Spanish, the Belgians and the Americans and their relentless decimations of indiginous peoples! So Wells wrote a satirical novel that showed what would happen when one of the most technologically advanced nations in the world was invaded by something alien and more powerful than we could ever imagine. The part of the book where the priest tries to communicate was a direct reference to the fact that Christianity to these invaders was as meaningful as any aboriginal religion would be to the christian British forces! So, not really anti religious as such - though the Time Machine was a bit on the anti religious side! In those days half the map was pink and now look at it (rant fume seethe etc).
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and i'm basing this ONLY from the reviewer above. of course, there has to be something different about it(like you said, backyard attack vs. wholesale attack), otherwise it'll be the same exact movie now, wont it? i'm saying it's similar in concept. it's nothing original. and agree about spielberg unable to end his movie on a better note. he's almost like hitchcock in that way, in that they're both very good with spectacle and suspense. both are great technically, but both guys' movies appear soulles most of the time. spielberg cant inject honest emotion into his movies without it being too sentimental and cringe inducing sometimes. case in point, end of SPR and SL.
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it's exactly because this is about giant squids running around chasing people that i made my comment above. reading the talkbacks here it sounds like we're gonna have the greatest movie of all time coming out or something. it's not and it wont be. read my post back real sloooowly, then you wont miss my point. people wet themselves easily in AICN. everytime a big blockbuster is coming out, it's like the second coming. every movie is like the best orgasm. the hell?
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Now, I haven't seen WOTW yet obviously so don't know if it is a rip-off or not but I think that they will be sufficiently different enough. Besides from what I can tell apart from some fairly obvious deviations WOTW is pretty close to the tone of the book - everyman struugling and displaced by huge events. So, if he's basing it on something written before Signs I don't see how it can be a rip-off. I always thought that the basement sequence in Signs (apart from being very like 'The Birds') was pretty much a riff on the whole farmhouse sequence in WOTW the book and the George Pal film. I don't know what's happened to Spielberg with regards endings as there is more emotional payoff in Jaws and ROTLA than in his later stuff.
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There's a story that L Ron Hubbard and, I think it was Reoger Zelazney were at a sci-fi convention and one night while shooting the breeze they jointly came up with the idea of a man forming a religion for the great and good of showbuziness and lo and behold - 'tis what Hubbard did and from that point on Hubbard sat on a yacht surrounded by lovely laydees in a homage to theopening credits of Qunicy while his loyal desciples gave him money and wrote the crappy Mission Earth series of 973 books. I believe that Scientology is criminal in Germany - though I may be wrong! It's a disgusting 'religion' for the self obssessed and rich!
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I've seen Independence Day so I've seen War Of The Worlds.
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Jun 16, 2005 7:17:09 AM CDT
FUCK THE HATERS! FUCK ALL OF YOU UP YOU STUPID ASSES! THIS MOVIE
by proman1984
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Jun 16, 2005 7:17:10 AM CDT
FUCK THE HATERS! FUCK ALL OF YOU UP YOU STUPID ASSES! THIS MOVIE
by proman1984
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Jun 16, 2005 7:17:10 AM CDT
FUCK THE HATERS! FUCK ALL OF YOU UP YOU STUPID ASSES! THIS MOVIE
by proman1984
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Jun 16, 2005 7:18:09 AM CDT
I didn't mean to post this three times in a row. For this I
by proman1984
But still I cannot wait to see this film!
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I have serious doubts about that. Let's see, I've seen ID4, I've seen Signs, I've seen Tom Cruise ham it up with the same character for 20 years and I've seen an annoying child in virtually every Spielberg film to date. I think I have this one covered.
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Spielberg looked too damn jazzed about this project for it to ultimately suck. I mean, come on... Aliens and Spielberg. This only speaks well for that Vengeance flick... It's going to be the year of the Berg. -- http://www.cafepress.com/thenewpulp
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WOTW Vs Signs - it's a ridiculous argument. The latter was a confused mess, mixing dodgy B-movie aesthetics with slushy melodrama & it was a fucking MESS! M. Knight is as dull as they come. I can appreciate what you may be saying about the conceptual similarities, but i'm sure it'll end there....certainly not enough to warrant your argument. & anyway, M.Knight is one of the biggest (albeit most subtle) magpies in the business. His films are long, drawn-out pretentious piffle, the guy couldn't helm an action film for shit...he certainly isn't the first & won't be the last film-maker who focusses on people rather than spectacle. Difference is - Spielberg gets the best of both worlds...(literally) - Knight is the very definition of the term 'one trick pony'. He needs putting down...
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L Ron Hubbard was a joke....the only reason he started the church was to avoid paying taxes whiche he owed. To understand scientology as a whole follow these guidelines:
1. Find the entire decology of L. Ron Hubbard's "Mission Earth" series. This in itself should be no problem as most copies are propping up broken tables or other types of furnature. (I also believe they hand the books out with contraseptives at many free clinics as anyone seen carrying these books under their arm are sure to never get laid.
2. Take them home and spend the next four months reading them....do not stop...for anything including the ever growing need for food or defecation. (This is called the preperation stage)
3. Once finished, go to your quiet place....most often a bathroom, and sit in medetation as you expel the four months of back up ito your potty (I use the term potty as it is a technical term used by scientologists to describe a toilet)....(This is the meditative phase)
4. Once finished, turn and look into the potty....study what you see....after an hour or so you will realize that this is what Hubbard and his mindless followers are full of.
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Jun 16, 2005 8:12:41 AM CDT
I have seen most of the t.v. spots during the NBA finals...
by lost skeleton
...It just looks really good. I like the horror aspect of it and the fact that we do not see widescale destruction of landmarks is good because ID4 already did that and it makes the action more intimate. Fantastic Four, dare I say it, doesn't look that bad...it might be...gasp...fun??
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Really looking forward to this movie, but I've heard rumors that Jeff Wayne's musical version ( which featured Richard Burton, Justin Hayward & David Essex among others) is being prepped as a movie. Anyone? Hope its true, although, sadly, no Richard Burton. Ah well. Samson_K is totally on with his take on Welles anti-colonial leaning in WOTW, as opposed to his atheist inclinations. Did he include the bit about "the littlest things that God in his wisdom had placed on the earth"? Yup. HG was ranting on topic about colonialism &, knowing that the vast bulk of potential readers were "christians", tossed them a bone. He wanted his story read, after all, & HG wasn't stupid. In fact, he likely wanted christians to think about what they were doing in so many countries around the world ( destroying cultures & lives) & that perhaps even their god would seek retribution against them, as he apparently does with the invading Martians.
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Jun 16, 2005 8:31:53 AM CDT
By the way...people who hate Signs think it is an alien invasion
by lost skeleton
Signs has nothing to do with sci-fi or alien invasion...those who wanted an alien invasion movie hate the flick. The movie is really about faith and destiny and how they both are necessary in most major religions. That is why Mel Gibson did the movie because it was really about a man of God losing faith and his need to read the signs to save his family and save himself by restoring his faith.
As a sci-fi movie- bad flick
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www.xenu.net scary stuff
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Jun 16, 2005 8:53:15 AM CDT
Wouldn't surprise me if Scientologists are monitoring these
by trevor goodchild
And participating.
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sounds really sucky.
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http://www.war-ofthe-worlds.co.uk/war%20of%20the%20worlds%20jeff%20wayne%202006.htm
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Jun 16, 2005 9:03:13 AM CDT
Any Battlefield Earth likers or apologists out there?
by trevor goodchild
Maybe I missed something.
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What is it with some of you people & Dakota Fanning? Taking cheap shots at an 11 year old girl? Talk about gay ( which seems to be talked about around here alot). The kid is smart, talented & focused, which is why I suppose so many "guys" around here are frightened of her. She has shone while working with some of the best in this business ( Speilberg twice, DeNiro, Glenn Close, Denzeal Washington). Give it a rest. Please.
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Seriously, isn't their enough mind-pollution out there already - we need to add this self-serving, revenue generating, crap to it? Thank (insert personal deity here)for movies!
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Beware, for the secrets contained within this post, according to scientologists, can cause pneumonia leading to death. Scientology is the religious offshoot of "Dianetics" - an unproven therapy designed by L Ron Hubbard mostly ripped off from an abandoned Freudian concept - that deep within us are memories of first traumas that can be eradicated somehow, liberating us from other neuroses. According to Hubbard's own son, once the money started rolling in on that idea, Hubbard started Scientology. Once you've spent a great sum in Scientology you reach a level (you advance through the levels by paying money) called OT III. This is an exciting time for Scientologists. They know that soon they will have revealed to them the secret of man's existence on Earth. Their bodies will be free of the contraints of time and matter thanks to this secret knowledge. It is dangerous, too, for Hubbard was the first in 75 million years to break free and discover the secret - one which causes cancer and pneumonia if not discovered correctly. The secret? This is exactly the wording on page one, in Hubbard's own handwriting. "The head of the Galactic
Confederation (76 planets around
larger stars visible from here)
(founded 95,000,000 yrs ago, very space opera)
solved overpopulation (250 billion
or so per planet) -- 178 billion
average) by mass implanting.
He caused people to be brought to
Teegeeack (Earth) and put an H Bomb
on the principal volcanoes (Incident 2)
and then the Pacific area ones
were taken in boxes to Hawaii
and the Atlantic Area ones to
Las Palmas and there "packaged."
His name was Xenu. He used
renegades. Various misleading
data by means of circuits etc.
were placed in the implants.
When through with his crime Loyal Officers
(to the people) captured him
after 6 years of battle
and put him in an electronic
mountain trap where he still
is. "They" are gone. The place (Confed.)
has since been a desert." Now you know this information, you are now either going to die of pneumonia, or you are an ally of Xenu, a "suppressive person" because there is no way you could know something so mind blowing without going through the proper levels - this information would destroy your mind otherwise. Since it hasn't, it is obvious to all Scientologists that you are an enemy placed here to suppress themselves from ridding their thetans. I am so sorry to have burdened you with incredible religious knowledge. Also, if you read the document further, you learn that Xenu manipulated the populace into destruction using tax auditors and psychiatrists. Guess which two posed a problem for the, in his military records, slightly depressive and given to exaggeration Hubbard? Why, oh why oh why doesn't at least one reporter or paparazzi please just shout out once at Tom Cruise "We know about Xenu!" -
How about Cruise? He's been jumping up and down on sofas. Thats what tipped me off. You know it couldn't be about a girl. They both know they have a monster hit on their hands.
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If this version of WOTW, the Aliens will be done in not by disease, but by having Galactic Overlord Xenu come in, put them in Volcanos, then detonate H-Bombs in the Volcanos so they can fight the original evil body thetans he left on Earth all those years ago. At least, that's how Cruise pitched it. I think I'll buy this flick from a street vendor, because I rather he gets by 8 bucks than even a dime going to the Cult.
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Not sure, just checking ...
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If you look past the fact that the aliens can cross space and be invisible on radar, yet cannot open doors, get trapped in closets (effectively a closet), dissolve in water (of which we have A LOT) and carry no weapons nor wear clothes - if for no more reason to protect them from THE WATER (of which we have a lot) ... Well you have a scene where a big alien fiend is threatening your daughter but yet needs to have actually been told by his dying wife in a premonition to get the nearest appropriate and easy to handle dense object to defend her and bash said alien fiend INSTEAD OF working out something that is SO OBVIOUSLY SELF EVIDENT on the scene itself at the time!
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Jun 16, 2005 9:45:27 AM CDT
German premiere? Arent they anti scientologist? the irony...
by spacesheik
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Jun 16, 2005 9:46:41 AM CDT
Scientology was invented by a bad 30s science fiction hack, whic
by bigdickmcgee
Emperor Xenu? That's worse than Darth Sidious. Where's Flash Gordon?
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c'mon this is gonna tank. pretty obvious from the planted review here.
Man are those execs ever gonna regret putting cruise in MI:3...
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Jun 16, 2005 9:53:42 AM CDT
Battlefield Earth....coulda been a classic like Plan 9 From Oute
by bigdickmcgee
If somebody had inserted some good lines like "you humans with your stupid minds. Stupid! Stupid!" On the plus side, it did have aliens with dreadlocks fighting cavemen. A few martial arts sequences wouldn't have hurt. Maybe some T&A. I hope Jim Wynorski does the sequel.
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Jun 16, 2005 10:01:09 AM CDT
Wow Cloudrider, you trashed some pretty good movies and actors t
by doobieflixx
Maybe you should just accept what the oscars are and who calls the shots there. It's not going to change. Would you like it better if movies like Babe made into the Academy Awards more often? Shut the hell up. don't watch 'em if you don't like 'em.
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Tee Hee Tee Hee.
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Kiss my arse!this is a review of the trailer not the film we want details right f**king now.
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Jun 16, 2005 10:09:12 AM CDT
So this German dude says he doesn't speak english well, then
by rolling_stone
Planty McPlant indeed!
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Your comments are idiotic. I doubt it will be copying "Signs". Where did you get that crystal ball that showed you WOTW? Is it at the same place where you bought your magic beans freak?!! Dude. Spielberg. Think about it. What a track record. What a legacy. You are truely an idiot.
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where Tom breaks into the Oval office and confronts the President. Tom tells him to "Get off the lithium...it's killing us all!" and together they formulate a plan to fight back!
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Let's just say scientology is being watched by German government officials and there have also been some lawsuits against them. All I know is they're not being regarded as a church. Although that's no problem for Tom Cruise, last thing I heard he wants to shoot some parts of MI3 in Berlin. I think it's the same shit in Germany as elswhere; they just keep talking about Cruise and Holmes, hardly a word about WOTW or BB. To Gus Van Rant: You did get the premise behind Schindler's List, did you?
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Jun 16, 2005 10:12:02 AM CDT
"A Geramn complimenting Spielberg, even after Schindler's Li
by derlanghaarige
Uhm, sorry, but right would be: "A German complimenting Speilberg, even after Saving Private Ryan". Seriously, Ryan looks like Lene Riefenstahl made a big budget Film for the US-Army!! Spielberg didn't made any good films since 1993 and I don't think that War Of The Worlds will be his comeback. I'm sure it will end with Tom Cruise, holding his crying kids while sitting under a stars and stripes flag.
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Jun 16, 2005 10:12:27 AM CDT
Yes...could be a plant...better writing than most reviewers too.
by samuel steamer
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I never looked into it, but I just assumed Scientology was some new age "look within yourself for the truth" stuff. But instead, I discover that the theology is based on aliens, h-bombs in volcanoes, and a healthy fear of shrinks and the IRS. Clearly, this Hubbard guy was onto something.
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Jun 16, 2005 10:20:57 AM CDT
Tom Cruise got paid over 300 million dollars for this. You peopl
by psalmolive
Well I bet you all feel like Tom deserves that much money. You people make me fucking sick. What a mockery of money. People like you, Cruise and Spielberg are the reason why terrorists want to destroy America.
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Within the compositional idiom of incorrect grammar usage - all bets are off. Clues should have been drawn from the incorrect usage of
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Jun 16, 2005 10:28:52 AM CDT
to me tom cruise and spielberg is kinda boring - i didnt like mi
by spacesheik
ill go to war of the worlds for the fx and action and hg wells story not much else
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Jun 16, 2005 10:34:12 AM CDT
looks like kirstie alley needs a few tents in her production...a
by spacesheik
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i dont think the movie is a mess, nor do i agree with your assesment of m.night. i think he's very talented. how do you know he couldnt helm an action film when he's never done one? he's a suspense director, and a top one at that. i happen to like his long shots, and i think his movies have hearts, more hearts than spielberg's recent films. BUT, i really loath his twist gimmicks! i love 6th sense right up until the stupid twist revealed itself. i thought signs was a strong thriller but the idiotic twist cheapens it. both twist - the signs from God to mel gibson(yeah, right. like God really arrange his time around mel's life), and the water phobic aliens. you're right, he's really beginning to look like a one trick pony. he really needs to stay away from his gimmick because it's starting to get old fast.
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Jun 16, 2005 10:57:25 AM CDT
You know what's fascinating about prior Cruise roles?
by sherlockjunior
Here's a man who is going so far as to broadcast in the press that he believes an individual was wrong for treating their post partum depression clinically with the aid of psychiatry. Why, oh why, then has he worked with people such as Stanley Kubrick and Michael Mann? It is obvious as day that Kubrick was obsessive about Jungian tropes and believed in the inherent benefits of clinical psychology - that mankind had a dark side that we needed to face up to. Scientology stands in complete opposition to this, and contends that the idea that there is inherent darkness in humankind is a plot cooked up by psychiatrists working under the auspices of Nazis. That sentence is so loopy I can't believe I typed it, but it's true. Then there's Mann - who exhaustively notes using Freudian analyisis traits of his characters in his copies of his scripts he directs from. A journalist asked Cruise about this once, and he refused to answer. Seriously, War of the Worlds will be a summer movie that I check out; it looks terrific, and the PR buzz around Cruise's bizzare antics have drowned out what should be the real story here - Spielberg's take on 9/11 and how closely this sounds to hew to "Watch the Skies" - the original plan for E.T. in which the aliens were baddies. Cruise is acceptable in some parts, perhaps none other than his part in Magnolia, which is freaking uncanny thinking about it now. But all in all, for the love of god would some people seriously put their balls on the line and intervene with all this Scientology nonsense, especially if they consider Cruise a friend? Hubbard's dead, it's even more pathetic that the Xenu lunacy lives on. And even sadder, if one really delves into Hubbard's life, there seems to be recurring themes of self hatred, lies, and particularly of psychiatrists for daring to claim he had mental issues (during his only naval command he was relieved of he attacked a submarine off the coast of Oregon that no one believes was there, including 3 other ships and 2 navy blimps - this led to some interesting fitness reports). There's an amazing interview with Hubbard's son before he settled with the church in which he claims even stranger things that there is historical validation for: that Hubbard may have been an acolyte of Aleister Crowley, the satanist. He was allegedly a drug abuser, and he allegedly had a particular thing for home abortions that just creeps me out, if true - especially when you see that part of Scientology auditing is focused on what traumas occurred to you as a fetus as a result of coitus and abortion attempts. Cruise seems to have reached out to Scientology because of his dyslexia. Out of personal insecurity the insanity continues. And Dreamworks needs to get a new PR firm.
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so it might be m.night that's ripping off the WOTW book, and the WOTW movie cannot rip off signs since the book was out way earlier. okay, it's not a rip off then, but the WOTW movie will hardly look original now, wont it? since signs beat WOTW to the cinema. when WOTW comes out eventually, the concept will not look as fresh.
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I can't wait to see it. It sounds great, looks great, and hopefully will be as great as we all think it'll be. :)
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Jun 16, 2005 11:16:40 AM CDT
doobieflixx, the oscars amuse me in the same way people are amus
by cloudrider`
i never take those award shows seriously. i watch then i laugh when the winners are announced, because it's funny. it's funny because those voters have no clue, and yet they think they're setting the highest standard, awarding the greatests in cinema. it's funny to try and see how their minds work when deciding who's and what's to be nominated. those bozos only love one kind of movie! it's the same kind of movie that won year in and year out. talk about old geezers. and gladiator???? gladiator won best picture??? the hell? and yeah, i could give a rat ass about million dollar baby, or anything else eastwood has directed.
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read back my earlier post. no, i dont own a crystal ball. i havent seen the film yet. i'm basing my assumption on WHAT the review told us, which pretty much describe what signs was. except bigger. before reading this review i was expecting ID4, with spielberg's sensibily instead of emmerich's. now, it looks like i should expect signs, with spielberg's sensibility instead of m.night's. got it? okaaay then.
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after all he wrote jurassic 1 and 2, spider-man, and panic room, among other things. yeah, all very successful and great movies, right? yeah. i'm sorry for dissing him earlier. my bad.
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Jun 16, 2005 11:31:58 AM CDT
cloudrider' has ALWAYS been a know-nothing douchebag in the
by jar jar 4 prez
M. Knight Shamalamadingdong sucks ass, and Lucas rules your little world.
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Jun 16, 2005 11:32:09 AM CDT
I'm always curious about what Germans think of American/Brit
by scrumdiddly
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Jun 16, 2005 11:49:17 AM CDT
If it focuses on one refugee family's experience, it makes i
by fluffyunbound
If the film spends considerable time focusing on the fact that, if our government were distracted or incapacitated, the population of the United States would just about instantly transform into the worst group of unbelievable fucking barbarians and savages imaginable, so much so that you'd be in more danger from other Americans than you would be from the alien invaders, the movie will be a success. If Spielberg papers this over and makes everything look like a fucking candlelight vigil on 09/12/2001, the movie will be a failure. By the way, Dakota Fanning can't help the fact that she's about 100 times as intelligent as any children you know, and comes across as such in interviews. Any annoyance or irritation this might cause you is more than outweighed by her performance in the criminally underrated "Man on Fire".
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First of all, Aleister Crowley was NOT, in any way, shape or form, a Satanist (unless you're confusing him with Anton LaVey who was influenced by Crowley and started the Church of Satan). People who call Crowley a Satanist are completely ignorant of his life and work (just look at the dumbasses who prosecuted the West Memphis 3). Was he bat-shit insane, perverted, and egomaniacal? Hell, yes. Brilliant as well - definitely. But NOT a Satanist. Mostly little goth boys who like to wear upside down pentacles and listen to Ozzy and whatever the current death rock is think they're Satanists because they've read about Crowley. Hell, even Satanists aren't really Satanists (in the sense that most people assume Satanists actually worship Satan and sacrifice babies - like that "Revelations" crap). Whew! rant over. I have read about what a bastard Hubbard was with his get- rich-quick religion, and that the yacht was basically stolen along with the wife of the guy he made the bet with. I also agree with Lost Skeleton (again) that people mostly misunderstand M. Night, that Signs was not an alien invasion movie. He really is not a one-trick pony. I even loved The Village, so there. I think the problem with MNS is not his movies but his audience. I think people look for the twist and when it doesn't blow their minds, they complain. But the point of the story is never the twist. The twist is just part of the genre. I saw the twist in The Village coming a mile away. I didn't care. It was far more interesting to look at the consequences of the twist, and the themes of post 9/11 fear in the film. Comparing MNS to Spielberg, like most juvenile "A rules B sucks" arguments on this site, is an apple and orange thing (and I'm in the distinct minority that loved AI, but Private Ryan - meh). Oh and I agree: leave Dakota alone. Especially the jail bait comments. Sheesh! Just because Jacko was acquitted doesn't make child molesting okay.
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First of all, Aleister Crowley was NOT, in any way, shape or form, a Satanist (unless you're confusing him with Anton LaVey who was influenced by Crowley and started the Church of Satan). People who call Crowley a Satanist are completely ignorant of his life and work (just look at the dumbasses who prosecuted the West Memphis 3). Was he bat-shit insane, perverted, and egomaniacal? Hell, yes. Brilliant as well - definitely. But NOT a Satanist. Mostly little goth boys who like to wear upside down pentacles and listen to Ozzy and whatever the current death rock is think they're Satanists because they've read about Crowley. Hell, even Satanists aren't really Satanists (in the sense that most people assume Satanists actually worship Satan and sacrifice babies - like that "Revelations" crap). Whew! rant over. I have read about what a bastard Hubbard was with his get- rich-quick religion, and that the yacht was basically stolen along with the wife of the guy he made the bet with. I also agree with Lost Skeleton (again) that people mostly misunderstand M. Night, that Signs was not an alien invasion movie. He really is not a one-trick pony. I even loved The Village, so there. I think the problem with MNS is not his movies but his audience. I think people look for the twist and when it doesn't blow their minds, they complain. But the point of the story is never the twist. The twist is just part of the genre. I saw the twist in The Village coming a mile away. I didn't care. It was far more interesting to look at the consequences of the twist, and the themes of post 9/11 fear in the film. Comparing MNS to Spielberg, like most juvenile "A rules B sucks" arguments on this site, is an apple and orange thing (and I'm in the distinct minority that loved AI, but Private Ryan - meh). Oh and I agree: leave Dakota alone. Especially the jail bait comments. Sheesh! Just because Jacko was acquitted doesn't make child molesting okay.
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Which cult would win?
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it's m.night. drop the 'k'. and it's lucASS. double 's', and in CAPS please. show some respect for the man, will you? there. and jar jar for president? what makes you think he's not ALREADY the president? you dont really think that's his real face you're seeing on the news, do you? dubya halloween masks are dime a dozen.
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A german he says. Ha! He knows english better than I do. Das ist der bullshit. On another note, is it just me or does anyone else notice that Tom Cruise is the best in every movie? Top Gun= Best pilot in the world. Mission Impossible 1 and 2= Best secret agent. Coctail= Best bartender. Notice a trend here? Dont any of you motherfuckers bring up Taps. Because we all know he was the best crazy kid in that school. Icebox out.
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I love this; Germany, twice within 30 years fer christ's sake, turns on its neighbors like a rabid dog, commits war crimes & genocide ( yeah I know Joe Stalin did too - not the point. & Adolf was the guy yelling FIRST!!! when it comes to that shit) & now DerLanghaarige has the nerve to bitch about the movies that get made about it. This what happens when you rape & murder your neighbors - you don't come out looking good. Lene was a talented whore, but a whore nonetheless as she shat out propaganda for Hitler - & comparing her to Speilberg shows me you turds learned nothing from getting your murdering asses whacked TWICE in the 1900s. Stop kvetching, scheisshead.
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I don't think he is, but I gotta wonder why he allowed a Scientology tent to be erected on his set. If I was a director with the clout that Spielberg has, and Tom Cruise insisted that his cult gets to prosletize to the extras and crew, I'd laugh my head off and tell him to shove it. A Steven Spielberg WOTW doesn't need Cruise or any star to bring in huge box office, so why does he kowtow to this lunacy??
I'm pretty sure I heard that Hubbard had made up Scientology as a hoax just to see who would fall for it and to amuse himself. Hmm.
Ok, and Katie Holmes "comverting" to Scientology after dating one for a couple weeks??? P L A N T ! ! !
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tom cruise basically built his career by reharshing the same plot over and over again. cocktail, days of thunder, topgun, color of money. different trade(bartending, racing, pilot, pool), but same exact plot. a hotshot meets a mentor who teaches him the way of the trade, and to be better at it. then a girl comes along, and now he wants more out of life, resulting in him being the best at the trade. all mediocre pieces of shit, and all made big money. he's mr. blockbuster. no one in their right mind would consider him a serious actor. his films are all vanity project, even when his role is small. depp, or clooney, or even the pittman, at least show integrity from time to time, not just capitilizing on their good looks. but cruise, talented that he is, just dont have the courage to go against the mainstream. the only time he did that was in that vampire flick, and that happened to be the only movie i love that has tom in it.
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But despite the fact that I personally absolutely hated Magnolia, it would be hard to call what he does in that film "Mr. Blockbuster". He did at least attempt "serious acting" in that instance. And someday he probably will again, when his looks have deteriorated a bit more.
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Jun 16, 2005 12:49:11 PM CDT
Saving Private Ryan was all about stereotype(=bad and stupid) Ge
by derlanghaarige
It started great, but after the first 30 minutes it became a US-Army Propaganda Movie. Yes, the Nazis were definitely the villains in this war but in Saving Private Ryan everything was just Black (Germany) and White (USA). Schindler's List was a great film but Saving Private Ryan destroyed Spielbergs reputation in Germany. And that's whats so disappointing about this movie: I don't know what the fuck anyone thought when he made this film! Maybe his intentions were good. Y'know, when people think about Nazis (or like many people here: about Germans) they think that there was a man who said: "Let's kill everybody who's not like us!" and everybody else said: "Okay, good idea!" but it is a fact that many Nazis had no other chance than being Nazis. If you weren't with them, you were their enemy. So we had on one side the cruel, sadistic Killers we all know, and on the other side the people who didn't agreed with Hitler, but had to join the Nazi Party, just because they and her familys got killed. And showing in RYAN that even the german civilists were evil...c'mon, my grandmother (half hungarian) only survived because the neighbourhood didn't said a word! It's not that we hate films about WWII or Nazi-themes ("American History X" has lots of fans here!), but we hate Saving Private Ryan for being such a stupid propagandafilm! A great made Propagandafilm. Just like Riefenstahls films.
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I used to be a Cruise fan. I went back and looked, and I noticed that I'd seen every movie he'd been in in the theater since Far & Away (ugh). Anyway, I've had enough. The bizarre fuckwit behavior, the Scientology bullshit, the bashing of Brooke Shields and the entire psychological community (comparing meds to Nazism! LOL), mugging for the cameras with brainwashed Katie Holmes...I can't take it any more. I have no interest in supporting Tom Cruise any further. Goodbye, TomBoy, and I hope to watch you continue flushing your career down the fucking Xenu toilet.
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ten inches it must be. the dildo contraption he had on was longer than the one wahlberg wore in boogie night. tell me if that isn't another vanity project for tom? if the role in magnolia required him to have a small penis, do you think he would take it on? hmmm...
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I can't believe everyone wants to see this movie???? IF I have to look or hear about Tom Cruise one more time - I am going to throw up.
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You seem to have a list of good directors you can reel off. You appear to have an understanding of how awards don't make good films. You also seem to be able to have a basic grasp of the English language. But you don't seem to be able to identify irony when it grabs your balls and spits in your face. Must try harder.
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Hmmmm, the jury is out on this one. When I first heard it was going to be made, I was overjoyed. When I heard it was being made a contemporary version, I was cautious. When I heard it would star Tom Cruise, I cheered up (a little). When I heard it was going to show you the Alien Invasion from the point of view of a typical Joe Public, I started to sigh. When I read that possibly planted review, I now wonder why we bother sometimes. Most people appear to knock ID4, as it was a modern rip-off of HG Wells' classic, but I bloody loved it. Wells' novel was great. The early 80's Musical version (Jeff Wayne) was fantastic. The Richard Burton narration, the music, the songs, the story. Classic, simply classic. If you've not heard it... find it, buy it, steal it! Morgan Freeman's opening "No one would have believed..." just doesn't come close to Burton's. I've heard that somebody is actually making a CGI "movie" to accompany the musical version and it'll be on DVD soon. OK, back to Spielberg's vision... My opinion of the genre of cinema is simple. You buy your ticket, you take your seat, then you should be engulfed in a visual feast. You know, stuff you can't see in day to day life. If you want a fantastic musical experience, you'd get a CD, go to a concert or a stage show, but if I want to see Aliens invading the Earth, destroying Mankind, you know as in "War of the Worlds" I expect to see it on the screen, not just be mentioned in the background. Hey, if that's what I was after, I'd read the book again. I can use my imagination any time, any place, but if you paid your money and you faced a screen, then you sat threw a documentary of Stephen and Tom telling you to imagine how scarey something would be, you'd feel a little short-changed I bet. ID4 put it's effects budget where it's mouth was. A simple Summer Blockbuster, the way they should be. Keep your messages of family values for another time, I want action. Bam! Boom! Crash! That's why you don't get too many car chases in books! Vrooooooom! Screeeeeech! Vroooooooooooooooooooom! Vrooooooooooom! Screeeeeeeeeeech! CRASH! See it just don't work.
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Jun 16, 2005 1:24:31 PM CDT
Spielbergs problem is hes 'starry-eyed - if he made JAWS tod
by spacesheik
i dont like the vanity productions he does with stars (CATCH ME IF YOU CAN was an exception). Even when he doesnt work with stars per se such as A.I. he crams in cameos or voiceover by people like robin williams, chris rock, etc -- the man needs to get down to business and do something because he wants to not because 'ive always loved toms work' 'leo is a genius' etc etc -- the more i hear about war of the worlds the less i wanna see it, its losing its mystique by the day, and tom cruise's antics not just oprah but elsewhere (his ill fated EW interview) is really hurting WOTW. A film that could have done 300 million in the US now might do 150-200. Bad PR does make a difference, it turns people off.
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If the action doesn't get any bigger than what we see in the trailers then that kinda blows your mother. However, we've always known it was going to be very Private Ryan and be from the characters' perspective. Sequels? Kiss my fucking ass. Not everything needs to become a fucking franchise. Batman Begins needs sequels to fulfil the potential of a Bat movie. The same went for Spiderman. However, if WotW cannot be told in a single movie then I'm going to scream the cunts houses down 'We don't need your fucking sequels! I'm not giving you my money you fucking dilweeds!! No! No!!' Emotional connection to the characters is a good idea, although if it means the movie will suck then I don't want it. I don't want any of it. People have a right to doubt this movie. But people should also know what to expect before they go see it. I wish that ID4 sequel had been made, and that it was about Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum taking it to the aliens' planet and sticking it to the man (alien). Brent Spiner should return in a cameo as the alien leader.
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Jun 16, 2005 1:26:31 PM CDT
And another thing: THE LAST SAMURAI was a fucking joke, all the
by spacesheik
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Jun 16, 2005 1:29:54 PM CDT
"if he made JAWS today it would star Tom Cruise, Leonardo Di Cap
by performingmonkey
I don't think it's technically possible for Cruise, Hanks and Leo to be in the same movie. It'd be a $200 million budget before they even started shooting! Who'd play who? Cruise as Brody, Leo as Hooper and Hanks as Quint. Fucking hell, the thought of that is making me shiver in an altogether wrong way. Also, Katie Holmes as Brody's wife. Kiss my Scientological ass!!
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Jun 16, 2005 1:31:04 PM CDT
"but we hate Saving Private Ryan for being such a stupid propaga
by maguasynfield
Your arguement is flacid & jejune. Where was the "propaganda" in SPR? ( by the same logic, Das Boot is a German propaganda film) It showed Germans & Americans shooting at each other. A lot. It showed Americans shooting unarmed, surrendering German soldiers. Not the kind of propaganda one usually sees. Triumph of the Will is a propaganda film. In spirit, tone, context & content, it has absolutely NOTHING in common with SPR. Point out the moments where propaganda is being dispersed in SPR. Be specific. Is any film where an American (or whomever) does something good, or brave or noble propaganda? If so, then what isn't propaganda? How is a story about eight guys, trying to do a decent thing in the middle of Hell on earth, the same as loving shots of Uncle Adolf spewing amongst the grand tapestry of Aryan godhood? One film was an attempt to convince, if not the world, then the German people that they were the rightful rulers of Europe; the other is a fictional story about saving a GI in a shitty war - where is this salesmenship you speak of? SPR, in a sense, could be a boiled down version of the Battle of Bastogne; my uncle, along with the 101st Airborn & stragglers, were trapped behind enemy lines & were eventually rescued by elements of George Patton's army. The 101st ( & friends) are Private Ryan. Pattons troops ( led, I think, by a gentleman named Creighton Abrams) are Tom Hanks & his boys, flatheading their way to Bastogne. Is it propaganda to tell those stories ( SPR & Bastogne)? Propaganda is an effort to try to get people to believe things that are usually bullshit. Telling the story of Bastogne, or SPR, is not the same. Did you see Gettysburg? It was a decent movie about the American civil war, & tried to give equal shrift to both sides. The same film makers, years later, did Gods & Generals, which turned out to be NOT a civil war film, but a love letter to Stonewall Jackson of the Confederacy. gettysburg was a war film. Gods & Generals was propaganda. If you've seen neither, well, so much for that.
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By their eyes. They all pretty much hae this blank stare, with beady eyes look. Some hide it better than others but I know this because I work with a bunch of them, and have also been coerced into taking a course. The video they showed me had me cracking up, something about blowing my head off with a shotgun if i didn't join them or something. What a bunch of shit.
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Jun 16, 2005 1:45:09 PM CDT
SCIENTOLOGY - FRIEND OR FOE? WELL COMPARED TO OTHER RELIGIONS TH
by imaximus
It may seem strange and out there but it's not as if they have their own 500 club, telethons, political fundraisers, or do they feel the need to intrude upon other people's business. For me personnally I could care less what Tom Cruise does with his private life just as long he makes awesome flicks.
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Thanx for telling me your oppinion without offending me(or my country)! Okay, the whole Propaganda-thing was maybe a little bit too harsh, but there were lots of scenes in which the US-Soldiers became kinda "Superheroes" who could kill three Nazis with one shoot from the hip, while the Nazis were acting like in a less-funny version of Hogan's Heroes (Which is by the way a great success in Germany!). And when Tom Hanks dies an heroic death under a waving US-Banner and James Ryan don't wanna go bakc home, because his "new family" is here on battlefield...you can't tell me that this doesn't looks like: "War is hell, but thank god for the US-Army, who is better and braver than every other Army in the world!" In U-571 for example, there were at least one or two scenes, in which Nazis are portrayed as humans, like when they don't wanna kill the defensless americans in the water, although their captain told them (Don't wanna say, that U-571 is a good film). Starship Troopers, which you can call a Propagandafilm-parody is much more accepted in Germany than SPR. Like one critic said: "Spielberg builds up propaganda, Verhoeven unmasks it."
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The cult in Bowfinger was "Mindhead".
Scientology does feel the need to intrude upon other religions, Mr. Maximus. It also has a very famous celebrity who's supposed to be convincing us to see his new movie that some people shouldn't seek psychiatric help when some members of society should.
In the upper levels of Scientology, one also learns that all religions on Earth are the result of programming done by the evil XENU! Then there's the problematic OT VIII document that Jesse Prince, former Sea Org elite member, swears originally stated that Hubbard was the Antichrist. Very respectful. -
You should all be destroyed. especially you, cloudrider, you arrogant elitist pile of wank. Your self-righteous comments about movies show that you have absolutely no insight on the subject. namedropping italian filmmakers? loser. and to all of you bashing tom cruise, you should be ashamed of yourself. you have no right to judge him just because he is a public person. the only things you know about him, you know through the tabloids. you don't know shit about his motivations for doing the things he does (unless you are a personal friend, then it's ok). and how bout waiting till AFTER you've seen the movie before you say how much it sucks and what a rip off of signs it is? and der langhaarige: where excactly, in SPR, were the evil civilian germans? last time i saw it the movie took place in france, and the civilians were pretty much trying to take care of themselves as best they could. there. end of rant. I feel much better now. the rest of you are lovely people, btw.
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This is why I didn't want Spielberg.
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what do you think about that?
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You clearly have issues with your country's dark history - so just admit that you're looking at SPR through that bias. SPR has story problems, etc, etc, but it's not really up for debate who the "good guys" were in that war. The US didn't systematically exterminate 12 million people. I'm sorry that's just the facts. The US has plenty of things in its past to be ashamed of...I'm sure white people's shame (I'm white) and discomfort over the story of slavery made "Amistad" the box office failure it was. You have to be honest with yourself and admit that "propaganda" about WWII is anything that reminds you just how ungodly fucked-up and evil your homeland was at that time. People "going along" with the Nazis were just as guilty as the true believers. That's how evil happens, people go along.
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Didn't mean to sound so much like I was taking a piss on you or your ( 1940 era) countrymen. Germania always has been a tough neighborhood in a rough land - hell, they kept Rome at bay longer than any one else in Europe the Romans went after. But as a former serviceman, I've had conversations like this before, with various members of the Allies/Axis countries. Hogans Heroes was big in Germany? No horseshit? That's a surprise, at least for me. But I guess its all perspective, nu? You call Tom Hanks death heroic in SPR; I call it a stupid waste of human life. His death was meaningless & unnecessary - staggering out into enemy fire just before the cavalry arrives. When one of his troopers said " I don't get the math of risking the eight of us for one guy", I agreed. And all but one of Hanks guys get greased. Not under my command. And there's nothing "American" about Ryan, now brotherless, remaining to hold the bridge with the men he calls "family". That is absolutely typical of soldiers in warfare, from any & all sides of a conflict. Hence "Band of Brothers", to rip off HBO, who in turn ripped off Henry the Vth by William Shakespeare for the sentiment ( "we few, we happy few, we band of brothers" ). To quote Henry the Vth again " he who sheds his blood with me this day is my brother...". Its seems that its always been that way amongst men in combat situations. A question - who do you think is a better film maker; Paul Verhoevan or Wolfgang Peterson?
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And I agree with Spacesheik. I wish Speilberg would get great character actors to work with on movies.
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Jun 16, 2005 5:48:31 PM CDT
"the Academy Awards and box office figures are fucking meaningle
by slappy jones
I hate that argument.
what do you judge a films success on then? if it wins a whole bunch of oscars and makes a shitload of cash then surely whether you like the film or not it has to be considered a success? even forgetting the oscars..if a film makes huge at the box office then it has to be considered a success because generally thats why the thing got made in the first place. as an attempt to make money. there are plenty of films i have hated that have made tons at the box office but to say box office is meaningless is rubbish. if it makes cash it is a success as making money was its entire goal in the first place. -
People in this tb are just jealous of the fact he's dating somebody a lot younger them he is, and loving it. The fact that he is into a strange religion is just an easy thing for you guys to rag on. It's bullshit. nobody goes this overboard when Mel Gibson pimps chirstianty, and Cruise doesn't even talk about it unless you ask him questions. Not to mention, in the bigger skeem of things, what books has caused more damage then any other. Yeah, the freaking bible.
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Jason Lee as Hooper. Brian Cox as Quint.
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Jun 16, 2005 6:11:04 PM CDT
Cruises extreme reaction to being accused as Homosexual was very
by trevor goodchild
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It's funny that a guy who's english is "not too good" writes more coherent sentances than most of the people who claim to be of an english speaking background that send in thier review to this site... I cannot wait for this movie, it sound silly, but month to month I jump from a slow burn of gradually building excitement to the "I CAN'T WAIT" moment, then I see the film and I repeat the process with another film. It started around march this year, Star Wars, which gave way to Batman, which gives way to WotW, which then (for we Australians) builds to Sin City (I know, sucks being us), then Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe is my next big one, but there may be one I'm not thinking of at the moment....OH WELL!.. SCIENTOLOGISTS, DRINK THE COOL AID!. YOUR SPACESHIP AWAITS!!!
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Jun 16, 2005 6:30:53 PM CDT
Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy was weird fast paced patchy but
by tonywilson
...(just released in uk today) was hands down the best superhero film since superman 2, sp2 is a boring piece of shit. Now all i need is for WOTW to fucking own and Ive had the best summer blockbuster season since 1996. Fuck me its good to be alive in 2005.
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Go to www.xenu.net. That's all you need to know about $cientology.
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"instead we got a bigger version of signs"
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I crack myself up.
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That's not bad casting, really. Brian Cox's Hannibal Lechter blew the shit outa Sir anthony's camp version. And many thanks for the WOTW/Jeff Wayne link. I want that remastered CD!!! I hope Jeff gets this to fly, because I would still love to see a more faithful version of Welles book.
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They keep records of all the "sins" you confess so they can fuck you with them later if you get out of line? That is the fucking funniest thing I have ever heard. Anyone with stones that large DESERVES to steal money from losers looking for help. That's hysterical.
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Jun 16, 2005 9:44:54 PM CDT
Fanning...Cruise playing an "average joe"...this movie is EASY t
by bong
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zzzz
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Jun 16, 2005 9:47:29 PM CDT
"I truly believe this will end up being my favourite Spielberg m
by 3 bag enema
Since he's German, I guess we can rule out a few obvious Speilburg pictures as possible favorites for him.
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That's the heart of the book. Human arrogance and technology couldnt conquer the martians.
If Spielberg doesnt have non humans destroying the martian menace then forget it. Might as well have called it "Grin and cutesy girl conquer the Martians."
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Jun 17, 2005 12:23:07 AM CDT
The scientology-bashing here takes me back to the good old days
by ol' painless
Thank you all the folks for hammering this religion for idiots. This money making scam, which exists purely to fool gullible morons into parting with their cash for bullshit therapy and really REALLY bad science fiction stores really does deserve all the contempt you can heap on it. The only thing more entertaining is the Scientologists showing up to defend their stupidity with their usual "Why do you hate us so much? Maybe you should try it!!" sales pitch. Get AWAY from me. Just because you have given your soul over to a morally corrupt and pathetic cult, downt mean I have to.
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i'm a wanker because i name drop filmmakers i admire more than spielberg? did know you spielberg is a fan of truffaut. he did give truffaut a major character to play in close encounter of the 3rd kind, you know? there's not any filmmakers alive today worth a shit that's not directly influenced by those guys i mentioned. tarantino's production company is called a band apart. where do you think that was from? you dont think it's because he loves hbo's band of brothers, do you? him, the coens, scorsese, or any other great personal filmmakers wont be who they are today if not for godard and truffaut. they fucking revolusionized the cinema back in the 60s.
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oh, i called them idiots, didnt i? yeah, i was being too harsh on them. i'm sorry. they're not idiots, they're just uninformed, uneducated guillible geeks who are easily overhyped and overexcited about any blockbusters coming out. wait... what am i saying? they ARE idiots!
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that's typical geek's answer to everything, isnt it? someone doesnt agree with them, you ask them to STFU, go away, get a life, or my personal all time favourite, 'why dont you get off your ass and MAKE A MOVIE youself!!!!' by that rationale, every critics and geeks in the universe had no right to condemn batman&robin unless they can make a better batman movie. i almost got killed from food poisoning, but i cant yell at the chef who made the shitty meal because... guess what? i'm not a master chef.
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Jun 17, 2005 1:15:10 AM CDT
"the Academy Awards and box office figures are fucking meaningle
by cloudrider`
when you equate success with how much money a movie makes, then yes, armageddon is a mega success. but... is it a good movie? box office receipts and awards dont equate quality. a great movie is a great movie no matter how much money it makes back. a great movie is a great movie whether or not it is validated by big awards. that's all i'm saying. and yes, taste varies. there's such a thing as subjectivity when judging any artform. what is gold to one person might be shit to another. but there's such a thing as standard. taste can be elevated, clearer subjectivity can be earned. one way of doing that is go the nearest videostore and rent those masters' works. to think it's so easy for you guys living in the us to do that. it's murder, murder i tell you, to find any one film by those guys in my ass end of the world.
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Jun 17, 2005 1:17:36 AM CDT
Honestly I do not understand Scientology nor do I understand the
by imaximus
War of the Worlds is one of the greatest Science Fiction stories ever told and with Spielberg's name attached to it you know that filmmaking will once again be shifted by the jolt of a force that is powerful enough to alter our state of consciousness. Exhibiting a piece of art that gives the world the justification that movies are the medium which we see ourselves and the world we try to both save and destroy.
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Jun 17, 2005 1:21:18 AM CDT
Cloudrider, I'm not singling you out but now you go and insu
by doobieflixx
Coincidently, I just watched it tonight and was finaly remindedof how good it really was. Then you come along and trash that too? Jeez. So you you don't like like Oscar movies because they are too artsy, then you single out the one that has all the right stuff. A movie that had great acting, great effects, and great action? Not to mention the great Richard Harris. I'd say judging by the amount of trash talk you are getting, you should give it a rest for this talkback. Peace bro.
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i hate it because they're 'fartsy'. smelly irritating hot air, pretending to be the mirrors in which human nature are exposed. riiiight. and gladiator is a straight action flick. no, i dont think the actions and effects are well made. but i do love all the actings in it. but all that is besides the point, it's a straight ACTION flick! the scale can be epic, the extras can reach the thousands, but it's still just an action movie, with as much emotinal investment as in any die hard movies. just because maximus dies in the end doesnt make it brilliant. from what i can tell from my telly during that oscar night, no one is more surprised that this movie won the best pic than ridley himself. even he knew, i think, that this was just an action film done in grander scale.
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Jun 17, 2005 2:00:45 AM CDT
"However we hear about a lot of terryfieng stuff through radios,
by black jesus
if i wanted to fucking imagine the stuff, i'd read the book. what kind of shit is that?
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You're a pile of wank. And you're a pile of wank mostly because you put your taste in movies above everyone else's and deem it more worthy. Your namedropping is just a symptom of your pileofwankness. And btw: yes spielberg is a fan og truffaut, but guess what, truffaut was a fan of spielberg too. You don't suppose he starred in CE3K to reach a new demographic do you? and the nouvelle vague's revolutionizing the cinema in the 60s isn't anything new. Film is revolutionized all the time. It wasn't invented in the 60s you know. Godard, Truffaut, Resnais etc. were all heavily inspired by for instance the italian neorealism, the soviet montage but first and foremost by hollywood. They were fans of hawks and ford and welles and those guys. Guess what, so was kurosawa. His samuraiflicks are eastern versions of john ford's westerns. And john ford was influenced by german expressionism, murnau, and d.w. griffith etc. Everyone is influenced by everyone in movies. To claim that it was france in the 60's that kicked everything off is just as ignorant as saying that it started with spielberg and tarantino, it just sounds more pretentious. Do some fucking research. And you can lay off the condescending tone. I know what Bande
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here's the thing... i'm the wanker king because, according to you, i name drop, and then you name drop just the same. more names than i did. you thought my posts were condencending, and then you made a condencending one as well. you basically summarized the early years of movies there. so you did your research, good for you. and your point is... besides trying to show me that you own a bigger dick? and who ever said the new wave kicked off everything, i didnt. i just said it's the beginning of personal filmmaking as opposed to the coming off the assembly line hollywood movies with big sets and big stars that ruled the time then. and i said those personal films resulted in directors that make higly personal films today, while when you look at it, what kind of directors spielberg helped give birth to... the bay, the paul anderson, the emmerich, etc.
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Jun 17, 2005 7:56:30 AM CDT
Our first (real) WAR OF THE WORLDS review, from the German premi
by uk paul
Chill out guys!! So much negativity about something most people haven't even seen yet. Go see it or don't but stop pre critiquing the thing before its out in the open. Debate something you know about not what you presume to know about - thats an easy game.
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Jun 17, 2005 8:22:15 AM CDT
BETTER ENGLISH THAN MOST REVIEWERS - Thanks for the review :-)
by fish tank
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that's just a cheap way to get a head start in an argument (and I pointed out that I was namedropping too, didn't I?). What annoys me is that you think yourself better than us just because you've discovered Fellini and thus fell you have evolved beyond the prepubesence of Spielberg. That said, your latest post was levelheaded and bordering on sympathetic, and I find you much less of a pile of wank now.
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I am amazed to find a discussion about a film being filled with so much hate and intolerance and how far off the subject something can go. -
Jun 23, 2005 9:24:08 AM CDT
Intolerance?? Let's talk about L. Ron Hubbard, Scientologys
by brokeback
Hubbard called for homosexuals to be quarantined - in his OWN words:
"Such people should be taken from the society as rapidly as possible and uniformly institutionalized; for here is the level of the contagion of immorality, and the destruction of ethics...No social order which desires to survive dates overlook its stratum 1.1's. No social order will survive which does not remove these people from its midst."
1.1 refers to Hubbard's 'tone scale' which classifies individuals and human behavior. The scale runs from -3 to +4. He apparently rated gay and lesbian behavior at a 1.1.
"At 1.1 on the tone scale, we enter the area of the most vicious reversal of the second dynamic. Here we have promiscuity, perversion, sadism and irregular practices."
Not saying all Scientologists are homophobes but their leader most definitely was so please Tom (or Olof53) stop whining about all the 'intolerance' and 'hate' you have to endure.
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