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I am – Hercules!!
“So what’s your past?” special agent Paul Ryan asks late in this week’s episode. “What are you made of?”
If you think you like “The Inside” or think there’s a chance you will, you’ll probably want to tune in tonight.
Former long-term abductee and current FBI special agent Rebecca Locke is assigned to bring to justice a serial rapist-murderer who preys on those who enjoy S&M clubs. (Tonight’s installment features Hart Bochner - remember Holly Gennero McClane’s doomed, coked-up co-worker? - as a handsome feller who likes to secure young women to furniture.)
There are some really keen episodes on the way, but of the four I’ve seen, this week’s “Inside” has easily the most intriging ending, seeding a personal plotline for Rebecca that will play out over installments to come.
(I also quite like the expression on Adam Baldwin’s face when he tells one effeminate witness, “I’ll take your word for it.”)
Next week brings the coolest “Inside” I’ve seen, about a murderous brainiac – dubbed the “pre-filer” – who somehow manages to snuff law-abiding citizens just before those law-abiding citizens decide to commit their very first atrocities ever.
9 p.m. Wednesday. Fox.
Were Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader two different people in the early drafts of “The Empire Strikes Back”? All is revealed in The Annotated Screenplays (Star Wars, Episodes IV-VI)
Look! A new book co-edited by big-deal "Buffy"-"Firefly"-"Gilmore Girls"-"The Inside" TV writer Jane Espenson. She introduces each of the essays, and the whole book besides:
Finding Serenity: Anti-Heroes, Lost Shepherds and Space Hookers in Joss Whedon's Firefly
Now that you know how it ends, look for clues in the old episodes!! Lost: The Complete First Season on DVD!!
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Twice in a day?
...Kind of takes the shine of it... like no one else is even trying.
And about this show. Wonder whether it'll be appearing in Oz anytime soon. Minear did the best stuff on Angel by a long way. I'm keen to see what the man can do with his own show. -
This sounds like an intriguing show
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Last weeks episode was OK, but pretty lame in the dialog area. Let's hope the second episode is better. Oh, how in the world do we get almost a full year of pre-premier posts on The Inside but nothing about what is obviously the superior new cop show, The Closer on TNT?
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I'll give it a couple more to improve I guess.
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I don't trust FOX. I DVR all fox shows for at least 5 episodes before I watch them, to see if they'll even keep it around that long. I follow the ratings closely to see if it is shifting downward, saves me time of investing in really cool shows. I'll tape tonights show. I really really like the shows promos, premise and ties to the weadonverse (from what i've read) but I cannot risk having my heart broken again ala so many other shows.......
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I really question a person's ability to judge good TV, when they decide whether or not to continue watching a show based purely on the pilot.
I like to give a show at least 4 episodes...Unless it's "Chaotic," then I only tune in for 2 minutes, and commence the judging. -
Chiklis never gets any love on Coaxial. WTF? Oh, no spoilers please cause I have it tivo'd for viewing tonight, thanks.
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I just saw it down below. Carry on with your boat business...
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i love firefly. its been picked up by sci fi for repeats. Maybe they will start making more afterwards!? in which case the inside can be cancelled for all i care.
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Jun 15, 2005 1:03:07 PM CDT
Holly Genero was McClaine's wife. Bochner played Ellis, the
by prozacmorris
Peace
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I'll give it a few episodes. Don't care much about the Buffyverse tie ins, but if the dialog is as bad in the next few episodes as the first then it's a goner from my Season Pass list. Comparing premier to premier, the Closer was far superior.
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if you accept the fact that they were only establishing the 'good guy' characters.. The bad guy was just a generic creepy guy with dark glasses and a hood, switched by a generic nerd who's ignored and misunderstood by society; very lame.. But they hooked me with good guys (Web, the girl and the guy.. the other 2 not so much; it was a bit annoying that the guy who played Jayne on Firefly is playing the _exact same_ character here, but I'll get over it). I hope they do story arcs with interesting bad guys that last more than 1 ep..
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What were the obvious shoutouts to angel and buffy? Or are they in some other episode and not the pilot?
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dude animal mother only plays one thing- animal mother (aka Jayne). also the bad guy in the pilot worked for Wolfram Security, as in Wolfram and Hart. (angel reference). I have revamped my opinion on the pilot and decided this show sucks until further notice. I knew Herc was getting himself too excited just for a let down.
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Bad pacing, bad villan, bad logic.
*spoiler*
I especially hated the line where she said that she was made nothing by someone much worse than you a long time ago.
I mean, this guy killed and mutilated quite a few people, I don't care what was done to her in the past, she stayed alive... The line would have been much better without the "than you" in it.
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Got this from an article (the link to the entire article is on the whedonesque.com website:
n the third episode of the show, there's a minor character named Angel who goes missing, as well as a prominent reference to the "Buffy" musical, "Once More With Feeling."
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Jun 15, 2005 3:07:18 PM CDT
Hart Bochner should be better known for his role in Apartment Ze
by koomoreborn
Creepy, brilliant...I'm suprised movie-buffs haven't elevated it to canon status...maybe because the bi-guy was the killer, a la Basic Instinct?
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The whole serial killer thing is so played I cant believe this show got picked up.At least MILLENIUM had great acting and kinda walked that fine line of reality and fantasy.This show has a cast that couldve come straight from the OC and terrible MTV quick cut editing.
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I don't think she'll work in this non funny show. Ever time she was in wonderfalls it was for comedy even the part where she steamed away angry and had to play with the seatbelt and the part where Jaye says i love you is all comedy expressions on Sharons face. The lesbian stuff, comedy. This is just a bad idea for a show i think. We need someone to make another Dead Like Me show and actually follow through on the created mythology that would work and be the uber. Lucas is right about the mythology crap.
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I agree, Katie Finneran is better suited to comedy. Adam Baldwin seems to be really one note with the military thing. And Rachel Nichols isn't talented enough to carry the show like she's supposed to.
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The Pilot was mildly entertaining. Usually I don't base judgment quickly, so I'm giving the show a three episode test. Like I did for "LOST". I just hope this one sustains interested because Lost had me on the edge of my seat after Walkabout. Slowly after that, it just completely dampened and vanished and became what it is today... A shadow of it's former self, with episodes that do nothing for character or the island. The finale was good... But I wanted an answer, not a big hole.
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I do think I'm crazy enough to watch season 2's opening episode. Simply because I'm a completist. Stupid me and my love for DVD's and uh... Well television in general. -- http://www.cafepress.com/thenewpulp
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is this chick's hidden talent that she has a knack for getting worked over by the "unsub" (new cop show jargon!)? because if so that would be swell. I was hoping that they had had the balls to have her get raped for real tonight so I could go on a 24 hour masturbation bender (I need the proverbial 'help'). I bet they take the angle that Webb has a daughter who was a hot blonde (or going to be) and now he's obsessed with this chick, and has been for a while. yet he always gets her into these situations so she can feel the pain that his daughter felt- he's pissed that she got away and his daughter didn't. I dont know, something like that. oh by the way it was totally obvius that it was the ex-cop- whenever someone has to explain what they're doing/setting up to detectives without a prompt ("fishing trip") its a dead giveaway, tonight moreso than usual.
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"obvious". not obvius. and the writers were giving it away, not the character
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Jun 16, 2005 3:34:58 AM CDT
Take me out to the black, tell em I ain't comin back, burn t
by daddy tones
My God, I love Firefly so much. Imagine, just IMAGINE, if there had been 7 seasons of the show, instead of the half season we were actually given. It would have been amazing.
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Apartment Zero is one of my all-time favorite flicks. Hart Bochner should have gotten a LOT more work for that. Unfortunately, I fell asleep last night before this came on, and I know Fox will probably cancel this show before they could get around to showing a repeat(do Fox even show re-runs anymore?) Ah well, guess I'll wait for the inevitable The Inside- The Complete Series DVD.
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It good, but not great. It's certainly better than the reality TV slop that's on so many other networks in the summer. I'll keep watching for a few more episodes to see if I become hooked or just bored. More thoughts on The Inside here: http://thefount.blogspot.com/2005/06/it-rubs-lotion-on-its-skin.html
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He, the acting is not bad. Good quality television. I liked the first one and it will watch the next one, as theres not much worth watching at the moment anyway.................... By the way "good quality television" CAN SOMEBODY TELL THE USA-NETWORK THAT WE ENTERED A NEW MILLENIUM!! The broadcast-quality of "the 4400" is miserable. (Same opinion about script and actors......)
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Jun 16, 2005 9:13:53 AM CDT
Herc, please stop pimping these awful Whedon tangential shows
by darth busey
Its unbecoming.
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I guess I got a thing for petite, patrician Blondes ala Poppy Montgomery. Never seen this one before, but she's jumped to my top 5 TV babes in a heartbeat. The show's pretty good, but it reminds me of a great/cancelled show, "Touching Evil" (that chick was tasty, too!) Dark office & settings...they specialize in 'special' cases, the lead has a twisted past. We'll give it a ride...nothing better on, and it hasn't pissed me off yet.
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I LOVE the lead actress. She's all kinds of creepy/sexy. I don't know what kind of standards you people have, but she convinces me. And I don't know why people are comparing this to the plethora of other crime procedurals out there. This show is completely different. It's character driven, not plot driven. I don't see any of those cardboard cutouts in those CSI or Law and Order clones get involved in bondage games with homicide suspects. The fact that she's one bad day away from going nuts herself is SO cool. I hope they give this show a chance. It's not perfect, but it's better than 99 percent of the crap on the four networks.
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You know, when he comes on the site pleading "Pweeze watch my show or it's gonna get canned! Pweeeeeze!"
Man, three for three. Can you imagine the look on the next guy who's pilot gets handed to this Minear to "develop"? -
That's right. Minear was in charge of Three good shows that had the bad luck of going up against the monkeys at FOX nad an outdated inaccurate ratings system. I mean, do you think that the original "21 Jump Street" premise of this show would be doing any better? And despite what bogus- ass idiotic, obsolete "Ratings" system says, Minear turns out good stuff. And if thinks he can usurp this system by appealing to the viewers directly, more power to him. But I guess you think that high ratings is an indication of quality, huh?
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I've given it two episodes and even though it's not bad. I don't really like crime dramas. I thought the show was going to have something extra... something that puts it over the top but it doesn't. And I'm not one to tune in every week to wallow sickos.
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Firefly: Western in space! What a concept!
Wonderfalls: Pretentiousness to a degree rarely attempted on the small screen.
The Inside: Thunderingly boring ripoff of "Silence of the Lambs" and "Seven" and about thirty other shows. Can't wait for the next one. -
From Zap2it:
"The Inside" appears to be DOA with a 2.6/4 for an original episode." Yikes! Another victim of an "obsolete ratings system". -
Actually, Firefly was Joss Whedon's idea. And it really was brilliant.
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... Had to say it. I give this show meh/10 so far. It had better pick up 'cause Rescue Me starts next week....
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Wonderfalls and Firefly are two of my favorite shows in this benighted crapfest that is 21st century network TV. You don't hold the same opinion. Fair enough. Still doesn't mean I'm wrong about the horseshit ratings system. And whatever you think of this show, it's a damned sight better than Beauty and the Geek and the rest of that cheap "reality" crap.
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On the full cast and crew credits on IMDB it indicates that 1.01 was "New Girl in Town," 1.02 that should have aired was written by Jane Espenson and titled "Everything Nice." The same thing happens next week when 1.05 "Pre-Filer" will air, instead of 1.04 "The Loneliest Number," which is written by "Miracles" creator Richard Hatem. Not to take anything away from the writers of the episodes that WILL air, I think last night's installment contained some good humor, especially for Peter Coyote. But Jane Espenson has proven herself an incredible writer of television, and Richard Hatem has been Emmy nominated for the pilot episode of "Miracles." FOX has done this before with a little show called "Firefly" and they seem to be doing it again. I'm not saying this show is the most amazing show to hit the airwaves, but it does have a dialogue beat and suttle humor that you don't really get everywhere. I don't think that Tim Minear could sit around an office with talent like Hatem and Espenson and dole out episode after episode of open-and-shut cases like "CSI" or "Law and Order" if it gets its chance "The Inside" will go places, I personally see it becoming a mix of "Alias"(plot-twists and conspiracies) and tonally like "Millenium" ... with laughs. That would be good TV. This guy needs room to develop his characters. He needs time to show the audience who they are, and then we will get the plot twists, and the series length storyline, and then the writing falls into place, and then the critics and the mags catch on, and then so does an audience size Coca-Cola and Herbal Essences Shampoo/Conditioner can be proud to advertise to. These writers can't do that without telling a story. Their Story. I don't skip from page 10 in a book to page 30 and from there to page 50. If FOX is skipping 20 pages already, then this thing was cancelled before it went to air. I spitefully hope they move it to a different timeslot so that if it does fall it will be to a scripted show and not to "Dancing with the Has-Been Publicity Whores."
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when their episodes come out I'll watch.
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I'm leaning towards another vicitim of an already strained, already monotonous genre.
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They shoulda gone with it. They just aren't doing enough of a new spin on this theme to make it stand out.
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i like it
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As much as he wants this show to kick ass, it just fails to. The end.
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Jun 16, 2005 4:33:50 PM CDT
I have always said TV needs more male anal intercourse...
by burlivesleftnut
That was great. Fuck you naysayers.
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seriously, what's with all the pretty little blondies solving crimes in all these crime shows now? they have the personality of wet paper bags and are as exciting as stepping on one.
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I actually liked what I've seen of "the Inside" so far - the plots have been ho-hum, but the characters could turn out to be something special. The lead girl is a brilliant piece of casting (I can't believe I toyed with the idea of spelling it cass-ting...). Sweet, innocent, and obviously fucked up in the head 'til the cows come home.
Much better than "the Closer" at least, which despite some really solid acting, had a main character that annoyed the hell out of me, and a plot-twist that was obvious after about 5 minutes, leaving the audience waiting for the main char to play catch-up for the next 50. -
With cable & sat boxes, they could easlily track people's viewing habits in real time & they'd get REAL data, including how people w/multple boxes tape/tivo something while watching something else. And the polling pool would be vast, and therefore accurate. But they'd have proof that most people flip around during commercials, which would KILL the nets, so they won't ever do it. Most users wouldn't mind being part of the ratings system & would sign up to be tracked. As it stands, I'm sure the current, incredibly-tiny & tedious Nielson system gives skewed results,& don't reflect peoples TAPING habits, but they'll never want to have data that shows that people avoid ads, so they'll never try to get accurate ratings.
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Jun 17, 2005 5:47:06 PM CDT
This show may not complete its run this summer. Here we go again
by jim jam bongs
It has placed fourth in the ratings for its first two airings, and now episodes haven't been scheduled for the second half of July. I'm thinking after the third episode, FOX will put it on hiatus, breaking Wonderfalls' dubious record of going off the air after 4 episodes.
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Jun 17, 2005 6:12:08 PM CDT
I'll bet with Jim Jam that next week's episode will be t
by prof. pop-cult
It's not bad, kind of reminds me of the third season of Millennium but with a young female lead. Maybe in the future, FOX should just commission shows like this for 13 episodes, air the first 3 as a tease, then have a DVD box set released a month or so after the airing of the last episode. Thus, in effect, the Fox production company makes its money off of the DVD sales, and from overseas programming, while FOX the network gets to fill some of its summertime schedule with what amounts to essentially as advertising for these DVD box sets. I'm not being sarcastic, actually.
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The pilot was pretty cool and I look forward to more if this show doesn't get cancelled. I could stare at Rachel Nichols till she thought it was creepy, which wouldn't be long considering my jaw would be on the ground.
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About a quater of the way through I was convinced the Preacher working on the Door of the Club was the actual Murderer. When they questioned Buck I was hoping that he might be a bit part character in the series and it totally blindsided me when his true involvement was revealed. Also the Text Message bit at the end was great, again I was convinced it was Peter Coyote who sent it and I found his last sentence killer. Better than most Crap on TV and some movies anyway. I'll watch again next week.
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