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BATMAN BEGINS talkback #1

Hey folks, Harry here... I've seen BATMAN BEGINS three times now. Twice in the last 24 hours. Once at a promotional screening, and the other about 3 hours later at an after hours employee screening. Both screenings featured extremely reactive audiences with enthusiastic applause when it was all done. How's it hold up to multiple viewings? Well, I still have to see it a few more times, but I'll say this. I enjoyed MR & MRS SMITH - thought it was fun, but ultimately it was a cotton candy movie with beautiful people being beautiful, charismatic and having a great time. But other than a few moments here and there (Angelina's purse drop down the side of the building and Brad's enthusiastic kicking of her while she was down)... well the film just didn't stick with me the way BATMAN BEGINS has. I've heard some fans nitpicks after these screenings... stuff that usually has to do with the villains getting the short end of the stick in terms of screen time... and questioning the need for Katie at all. Well - first off this isn't a villain-centric piece. This film is about BATMAN. And after 4 Batman movies that focused more on the villains than on Bat-brain... I, for one, love it. After the promotional screening - as I was waiting on ol Father Geek to bring around the car - a gaggle of excited geeks came and surrounded me to enthuse about how much they loved it. And they were literally shaking they were so happy. I said, "Ya know... here's the thing. As much as STAR WARS fans love to bitch about the prequels, at no point did they ever approach the 9th ring of hell that was BATMAN & ROBIN, that's what makes this thing such a fucking miracle!" Here's the thing. As great as I feel this movie is - it's still just touching the potential that a Batman film could be. There's a particular image in the DC logo at the beginning from THE KILLING JOKE, a story that Warners will never have the balls to make. But it serves as a reminder of just how great a BATMAN film could be. Thinking about a great Clayface or Joker or ManBat story just gets me excited. Hell, a full on Scarcrow film... or bring back Ghul at some point and do a Talia story. It's 7am and I'm still not asleep. I've got a busy day today, but I wanted to give y'all a place to talk about Batman and your hopes and dreams for how Warners handles the bat from here on out. Here ya go...

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  • June 14, 2005, 7:25 a.m. CST

    by Atropos

    I hope to god I'm not first

  • June 14, 2005, 7:26 a.m. CST

    by no-no

  • June 14, 2005, 7:27 a.m. CST

    by BrainFart

  • June 14, 2005, 7:27 a.m. CST


    by NeoDevilbaneX

    Seeing the midnight showing of this tonight. Looks BAD-ASS.

  • June 14, 2005, 7:27 a.m. CST

    At last...

    by GrubStreeter

    ...Batman done right. Bale's growly Batman voice took some getting used to, but that's my only nitpick. This was awesome. I hope Superman Returns can be half as good.

  • June 14, 2005, 7:29 a.m. CST


    by Atropos

    God has failed me yet again. Anyway, can't wait to see Batman Begins. Still somewhat worried by the reports that the fights are edited in the "close-up of arm swinging, cut to someone falling, cut to swishing cape.." school of fight-editing. I'm one of the few people who didn't think Gladiator fulfilled it's potential because of this. There is nothing worse than a fight that's coordinated in the editing room rather than during the shoot. I hope Batman Begins hasn't fallen into the same trap.

  • June 14, 2005, 7:34 a.m. CST

    does it beat Burtom

    by irishfella

    ill be a skeptic until i see it

  • June 14, 2005, 7:35 a.m. CST

    that is Burton.hit the wrong key

    by irishfella

  • June 14, 2005, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Cruise's relationship with Holmes

    by InBloom

    Conclusive proof, if any of actually still needed it, that the Cruiser is totally, 110% GAY. I can explain for those who don't understand. Requests in writing please. Anyhoo.... it seems only yesterday that this was reported on AICN as "Batman: Year One to be made into a movie!!!!!!" - I had such high hopes at the time for a gritty, brutal, beautifully realised Batman film. Whaddayaknow? It looks like for once I actually got my goddam wish!

  • June 14, 2005, 7:55 a.m. CST

    I'll get excited about a Batman movie...

    by ajbopp

    When they get him out of the rubber suit.

  • June 14, 2005, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Wait and see

    by BillEmic

    After Harry and Mori's reviews, I had huge expectations for this film...thought it was going to be the best Batman yet. After reading more reviews, I feel like I'm a little more realistic. I'm looking forward to seeing it tomorrow but my hopes aren't too high. I think that Burton really created the sort of "vocabularly" of the Batman films...I mean, the initial photos of "Batman Begins" looked more or less just like the Burton movies. My fear is that Nolan and company have just removed the overtly "comic book" elements from the movie. They've labeled it realistic but is this going to take the fun out of it? Instead of colorful, psychologically disturbed villains in crazy costumes we've got crime bosses and dictators...instead of a sweeping, iconic Elfman score we've got tonal mood music from Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard...instead of over-the-top action, we've got close-cut and chaotic fight scenes...It sounds like "The Wayne Identity" or something. We'll wait and see, though.

  • June 14, 2005, 8:06 a.m. CST


    by BillEmic

    I just listened to the song "Molossus" from the Batman Begins soundtrack. Color me excited. I'm ready to see Batman kick some ass.

  • June 14, 2005, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Holmes is a weak link

    by The Colonel

    Her role in the movie is pointless. And I think Cruise injected her with some Scientology fear gas of his own! Check this:----- -----

  • June 14, 2005, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Amazing, I haven't read comics for years, but they still ref

    by GrandMuffTarkin

    Nothing worthwhile has come out in the last 10 years besides Long Halloween, i imagine....

  • June 14, 2005, 8:40 a.m. CST

    "Thinking about a great Clayface or Joker or ManBat story just g

    by Negative Man

    ManBat? MANBAT gets you excited?!!! Not a proper Mr. Freeze, Riddler, Two-Face, Poison Ivy, Penguin, Catwoman or Bane before that oh so 1970's cliche of a character? I mean, I'm all for reviving old characters...but Man-FRICKIN-Bat?!!! A scientist who experimented with serums derived from bats to create natural sonar for the blind, who tested the serum on himself and ended up becoming a...SHOCK...GASP...SNORE...ManBat!!! *cough*LIZARD*cough*Seven full years earlier*cough* (yeah, yeah...then there was that Mr. Jekyll guy way back...) Sorry, ManBat is just one of those characters I hate. Lamest comics and some of the worst Batman:TAS episodes. Rather see Bats fight Calendar Man...or even Caulander Man. "Ya got the right dressing for this Salad Toss, Batman!"

  • June 14, 2005, 8:51 a.m. CST

    ManBats & Lizards

    by Spyhunter

    My thought on the matter is this - which ever one gets to the screen first is the winner. If Lizard isn't part of Spidey 3, and by some chance a Batman film with Manbat comes out then your average moviegoer will feel that the Spidey sequel that DOES feature Lizard will be copying Manbat. And vice-versa of course.

  • June 14, 2005, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Justin Theroux as Joker.

    by Trevor Goodchild

    Viggo Mortennson as Two Face. Wes Bentley as Robin. And how about a Hobbit-esque filmed Johnny Depp as Penguin?

  • June 14, 2005, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Saw it last night at Montreal Premiere...

    by InZodWeTrust

    ***The following will contain some Spoilers*** It blew my mind as to how damn cool it was. I drove my bro home who was watching my kids, and he asked me to sum it up in three words or less, and I hit him with "F'ing COOL". There have been so many reviews of this movie so far so I won;t bother wasting space with another, but I'll go through a few points that I liked quite a bit. I am gonna start with Dr. Crane/Scarecrow. I had heard quite a bit about how his character is an afterthought in this film, and I have to say he certainly ain't. Out of any Batman film made to date, this was the one TRUE protrayal of an Arkham Inmate I have ever seen. The guy is SICK and twisted. He's motives border on sadistic. Awesome. Ra's Ah Ghul was quite well done in my opinion too. The Ducard character was a sweet touch, and Liam Neeson brought a truly excellent dimension to a character in which I never gave much investment in to begin with. The gas effects on the Gotham Narrows was spectacular. and when Batman induces Crane with his own toxin, the CGI head shot of Batman flipping out on him was worth admission on its own. The Batmobile works on so many different levels that I cannot imagine them making any changes to the design should a sequel be spawned. It is such a great concept, and we should all write Frank Miller an email to thank him for the inspiration! There has been enough said on Bale as Wayne/Batman so I won't go into anything more than "He owned the role". At times, his face looked like it wasn't symetrical enough to make the cowl work, but thats a small gripe. The SINGLE negative I can think of (cowl aside) is that the fight scenes were too cropped and almost indecipherable. My wife told me a few times in an annoyed tone that she couldn't tell what was going on. Gotham looked like a real city for once, Gordon was done 100% faithful to what was covered in Batman: Year One. Jeez, even Flass looked like the Flass in Year One (Facially), except he had long scraggly hair instead of a blonde crew-cut. I liked how they put in Commisioner Loeb (used again in Batman Year One), and the rest of the supporting cast nail al roles given to them. I applaud DC and WB for giving what the intelligent fanbase wants. Marvel can learn a few things from all of this, and when they do finally start filming X3, they follow these guidlines and not go the Schumacher route (as reported on this site and others). I put this one at a 9/10. Sin City remains my only 10/10 movie. Batman Begins is all that is advertised. 2 Hours of Ass-Kickery for Fanboys and Mainstream alike.

  • June 14, 2005, 9:02 a.m. CST

    The rubber costume ...

    by TrustTyler

    I can't believe people still go on about the rubber costume! The only way spandex would work in a full Batman movie is if the guy was Olympic level muscular, otherwise the guy will look either too skinny or, like the guy in Batman: Dead End, overweight. And that guy was well muscled too! The rubber suit is, pretty much, the only way you can make it work in a movie.

  • June 14, 2005, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Oh, and one more thing...

    by InZodWeTrust

    Paul Giamatti as the Joker would be insane

  • June 14, 2005, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Wouldn't Giamatti be more suited to Penguin?

    by Trevor Goodchild

  • June 14, 2005, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Told you fools this movie was awesome.

    by Russman

    can't wait to see it again.

  • June 14, 2005, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Thanks for the review, InZodWeTrust

    by BillEmic

    My biggest concern remains these indecipherable fight scenes, though. I absolutely can't stand when filmmakers do this. Shouldn't Hollywood directors feel embarrassed when something like "Kung Fu Hustle" comes out and has a bunch of *senior citizens* looking tough as hell in choreographed fights...and they can't even make Christian Bale look good during battle?! There's really no excuse either because Bale kicked so much ass in Kurt Wimmer's "Equilibrium". The fights there were coherent and well-staged. Apparently that's more than we can say for Batman.

  • June 14, 2005, 9:22 a.m. CST

    knowthyself ...... there is some comic relief in this.

    by Russman

    The movie will leave some people scratching their heads. You have to see it to understand but it's more of a "FILM" than a superhero movie. I've heard some people mention this earlier but it really creeps up on you and I want to see it again. It's just that damn cool.

  • June 14, 2005, 9:25 a.m. CST


    by rev_skarekroe

    Actually, I don't care about Moviemack. I just wanted to say that.

  • June 14, 2005, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Everybody seems to forget that Batman Forever was also quite hor

    by Funmazer

  • June 14, 2005, 9:27 a.m. CST

    InZodWeTrust.... the fight photography doesn't ruin it...

    by Russman

    within the theme of the movie it works because he is "ninja like" . And the photography is almost from the criminal's POV where you're not sure what the hell is going on until you get hit. It would be cool to see him kicking ass, but it works and it doesn't kill the mood. Everything else about the movie eclipses this.

  • June 14, 2005, 9:32 a.m. CST

    I know this ideas be done to death, but..

    by hellboydan

    Crispin Glover would make a good Joker, at least visually he has the gaunt features & hatchet faced look about him. And Glenn Shadix would carry off the Penguin well, although he's a large fellow (in stature) I appreciate the idea that due to an incident at Arkham Asylum in the movie, whereby the inmates are set loose it sets up direct confrontations with numerous villains for the sequels without neccesarily having to trawl through origin stories for them, as they're already something of an established threat to Gotham. Including Mr Zzazz into it is a nice idea (admittedly this is only what I've seen from cast lists though)

  • June 14, 2005, 9:37 a.m. CST


    by InZodWeTrust

    Thats a damn good point. To quote Jack Palance in the 1989 Batman... "Smart thinkin'..."

  • June 14, 2005, 9:38 a.m. CST


    by InZodWeTrust

    "it sets up direct confrontations with numerous villains for the sequels without neccesarily having to trawl through origin stories for them..." The only reconizable villain IS Zsasz, the rest are nobodies.

  • June 14, 2005, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Batman and Michael Jackson are Remarkably Similar

    by ZombieSolutions

    both were wounded children who grew up into creepy reclusive millionaires. both undergo a vigorous physical transformation. both wear funny costumes, live in a self-constructed fantasy land and spend an inordinate amounts of time consorting with adolescent boys who live in their home, dress in speedos and leggings, and have weird code names (Robin, Blanket, et al). both have delusions of granduer that they can save the world -- one through kicking ass, the other through pop music. the biggest difference is that Batman is a severely closted full on ragingly butch gay mans man, and Jackson is a severely closeted homoesexual pedophile rapist, femme gay girly boy who looks like Elizabeth Taylor's skeleton. come to think of it, Jacko might make a great Batman villian.

  • June 14, 2005, 9:39 a.m. CST

    And where is the moviemack?

    by Spacker Dave

    He's at home washing his tights!!! I still find it hysterical that this douche bag hasn't had the balls to finally stand up and admit all his whining and naysaying was for nought.

  • June 14, 2005, 9:43 a.m. CST

    I've seen it twice

    by Darth Kong

    The first hour REALLY drags for me. Im not a comic book fan anyway, but the film doesnt really 'start' for me until BATMAN actually turns up. It'll do HUGE business though, and I think WB have done themselves proud for greenlighting this and supporting Nolan. I think the BEST thing about the film is that the set up for a sequel is simply mouth watering. Oh, and InZodWeTrust, the effect of BATMAN after Crane has had the fear gas, is NOT CGI but I would say a damn fine makeup job. Also like to chime in and say Paul Giamatti as Penguin is a great idea. Hmmm, but for The Joker? I dunno. Discuss..

  • June 14, 2005, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Oh, and another thing...

    by Darth Kong

    there IS comic relief. But not as you'd expect. Alfred and Fox have some of the best lines in the film. Similiar to the "You're not Superman y'know" lines in Spider-man.

  • Now all we need is a profanity laid flame war and a nonsequiter Lucas bashing and we got ourselves a bon-eh-fide TB. Anyway, the comments about the action scenes bug me because I've been noticing that blurry, close-up, quick edit style of fight scenes a lot lately and it is really staring to get annoying. And why the hell can't they make the neck part of the suit soft laxex or something so he can turn his effing head? That's ridiculous. Anyway, still looking foreward to it.

  • June 14, 2005, 9:49 a.m. CST

    The Cowl works fine

    by InZodWeTrust

    At no point did he turn his head and have the mask stay put like Keatons did when he picked up Vickie Vale at the Flugehiem and did the pully trick.

  • June 14, 2005, 9:50 a.m. CST

    The Countdown to the Inevitable ROTS vs. Batman Flamewar

    by ZombieSolutions

    can you feel it coming? soon geeks who prefer one film franchise to the other will be relentlessly hurling bizarre, disturbing insults at each other -- insults charged with a frightening degree of sexualized violence (anal rape, etc.). who knows why this happens. perhaps it is a misplaced allegience to symbol systems designed to entertain? regardless, the true tragedy is that neither side will be able to admit that in the game of good geekfilms, we all win. we! all! win! (especially the share holders and product liscense vendors).

  • June 14, 2005, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Saw it. Good Movie. Thank You Warner Bros.

    by MGTHEDJ

    This is the year of Frank Miller. So much of this film was taken from "Dark Knight Returns" and "Batman: Year One" it made my fanboy heart proud. Were there flaws? Yes. But they were far outweighed by the cinematography, the second unit work (fantastic job). Also great were all the nods and references to not only Miller but Bruce Timm and crew's take on the characters from the animated series in the 1990's, through their movies "Mask of the Phantasm" and "Sub-Zero", to even some of the best ideas from "Batman Beyond." Once again great job WB. Paul Dini, let them use Harley Quinn, I think she will be OK with Nolan.-----later-----m

  • June 14, 2005, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Is it Bourne Supremecy Fight Editing?

    by Gunschlinger

    For anyone that has seen BB can you tell us if the fights people are complaining about are edited like the Bourne Supremecy.

  • June 14, 2005, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Is it Bourne Supremecy Fight Editing?

    by InZodWeTrust

    Exactly what a colleague of mine said here at work today. So yeah.

  • June 14, 2005, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Bourne Supremecy

    by Darth Kong

    Fights were actually better. lol. But I still loved BATMAN.

  • June 14, 2005, 10:16 a.m. CST

    BATMAN BEGINS that is

    by Darth Kong

  • June 14, 2005, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Somebody asked about IMAX

    by zer0cool2k2

    I'm seeing this at midnight tonight, and taking my Dad to see it on an IMAX screen on Sunday for his birthday (which is also Father's Day). Good chance I'll see it some time between tonight's showing and sunday too. Wonder what kind of box office it's gonna' get this opening week? I thought the Smith's 51 mil was pretty impressive. The midnight premiere of ROTS was sold out on all 18 screens of our local AMC, but they've only got Batman Begins on one screen.

  • June 14, 2005, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Can't wait to see this

    by joshintransition

    If anything, they've put out a smashing collection of trailers for this flick. Cillian Murphy's sole line in those clips is classic; it looks like such an energetic performance. I hope they do a really full-blown adaptation of "The Long Halloween," and especially do it with all of the minor villains popping up.

  • June 14, 2005, 10:24 a.m. CST

    That worries me...

    by Gunschlinger

    I really loved the two Bourne movies, but I really felt that the way the fight seens were done in Supremecy were distracting and dizzying, which I guess is supposed to make you feel a part of the action. It makes me look away from the screen. That is not enough to damper my enthusiasm for this movie. Thank God they picked Bale. So keep your eyes OPEN...

  • June 14, 2005, 10:26 a.m. CST

    This movie kicks ass!!!

    by blimpy

    I saw this at a sneak preview last night in Columbus, OH. This movie is THE definitive bat movie. Unlike Spiderman, you can't tell what's CG and what's not. Plus, the "calling card" that Gordon gives Batman at the end is a real treat for us Batfans!

  • June 14, 2005, 10:32 a.m. CST

    The Batman opening to the MTV Movie Awards

    by Garbageman33

    If the actual movie is half as good as that, I'll be satisfied. Although I'm guessing it won't feature Andy Dick as a policeman. Nor do I think it will turn out that Batman is actually Napoleon Dynamite. Napoleon: "Who'd you think was Batman...Superman?" Fallon: "Why would Superman be Batman? That's stupid" Napoleon: "You're stupid". And don't start with me about Jimmy Fallon. That skit was funny as hell in spite of his presence.

  • June 14, 2005, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Can I just say

    by Darth Kong

    After seeing STAR WARS, HITCHHIKERS, SIN CITY, MR AND MRS SMITH, BATMAN BEGINS for the 2nd time on Imax last night and seeing WAR OF THE WORLDS today, I'm so happy as a movie fan! If FANTASTIC FOUR and WILLY WONKA are decent, it has been the best U.S. summer lineup for as long as I can remember. This years top ten in December is going to be tough! Harry, do you agree? Or is there a summer in recent memory that was better? Oh, and other than to say it ROCKED, I can't tell you anything more about WAR OF THE WORLDS.

  • June 14, 2005, 10:45 a.m. CST

    IMAX, bitches.

    by thesounder

    NYC IMAX, midnight tonight. Already got my tix over Fandango. Can't frickin' wait.

  • June 14, 2005, 10:45 a.m. CST

    ONE . . . . LAST . . . . . TIME

    by Funkymonkey

    Right, I know that I've posted what you're about to read before, but I want to post it one last time on a board that will be widely read. So for all of you that have already been introduced to my "idea" - sorry. Anyway, everyone else: I've just had a brainwave and i want to know what you guys think. _____________________________________________________________________Now that Star Wars is over and most of the major comic book franchises have been mined, it's time for something new. Something REALLY new. Otherwise, the golden age of Geekdom which we have all enjoyed will come grinding to a halt. Reading through the X-men 3 tragedy, it struck me that Hollywood is the spawn of the devil and wouldn't recognise a good idea if one came up and stroked it on the nipple. Furthermore, it occurred to me that literally THOUSANDS of movie fans visit this website on a near daily basis and very many of them are capable of writing extremely funny and creative talkbacks. So here is what we do . . . . (and forgive me if this is a very old, and very shit idea) ________________________________________________________________We write our own movie. All of us. Together! ____________________________________________________________ Harry puts up a regular banner on the site and talkbackers throw ideas around. But, and this is CRITICAL, it needs to be organised in such a way that it doesn't turn into an incoherent slagging match. I propose that the project proceeds along such lines as the following: 1. The film we are trying to write is broken down into sections. With the first of our tasks being a synopsis, followed by a scene chronology, followed by the scenes themselves. Each task should be given a deadline of a month or so.__________________________________________________________________2. Example: Lets say we are attempting to come up with a synopsis. Talkbackers simply post their ideas and discuss them. At the end of each week Harry puts up a vote with a list of the 20 best synopses and we all decide which will win. After a month, we have a big vote to select one from all the previous winners. _____________________________________________________________________3. The synopsis talkback goes into the archives and is linked in the next task page, let's say, "scene 1". _____________________________________________________________________ 4. To keep the ball rolling, Harry could award cool prizes to the winner of each months task. _____________________________________________________________________ 5. After a year or two, we will have the script for a brilliant film, not to mention the great memories and the satisfaction of being part of something revolutionary. You know, you could just write a single line and it might end up being incorporated. Just think about it, we could revolutionise the film industry. Let the people decide what they watch. Fuck Hollywood. And you know what, even if it did work, and we did produce a script, and either no one picked it up or our ideas were stolen, or whatever, fuck it, it would still have been cool. And we might just get to see a film that we have always wanted to see, the film that plays in our own heads. The film that we wish many Hollywood films ought to have been. ________________________________ What d'ya reckon? ________________________________ p.s. to answer previous critics of this suggestion, how about a separate (edited) page for submissions and a separate page for responses. Or something, to keep the talkback bitching crowd in one corner for the sake of clarity. And to those that think writing a script is just too damn hard for all of the thousands of movie fans out there. Maybe you're right, but it's worth a try isn't it?

  • June 14, 2005, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Oh and . . . .

    by Funkymonkey

    Sorry that the above is off topic. Can't wait for Batman.

  • June 14, 2005, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Saw it a couple of weeks ago

    by ELGordo

    And it kicked ass. THE best Batman film made. Forget Burton and ugh...Schumacher, this is how Batman should be made. They handle the material so differently in this one. Gone is the ultra Goth look and ultra realism takes it's place. Familiar looking cities but exaggerated to please the eye. Top notch stuff here boyos.

  • June 14, 2005, 10:48 a.m. CST

    I like that idea

    by Darth Kong

    And Harry if he wanted to, could even charge a simple fee, only for the Movie Development part of the site to keep trollers away. (They have done this on the View Askew messageboards, and it seems to work - they only charge a dollar).

  • June 14, 2005, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Battlefield Batman

    by TheBaxter

    John Travolta plays an alien leader in really bad make-up who teams up with the Joker, played by Tom Cruise. Together they brainwash Katie Holmes into joining their religious cult. Batman says "screw it" and starts dating Nicole Kidman.

  • June 14, 2005, 10:54 a.m. CST

    And not an improved X men 3 script, a completely NEW film

    by Funkymonkey

    How about, evangelion meets final fantasy meets much ado about nothing? ;)

  • June 14, 2005, 10:59 a.m. CST


    by AlwaysThere

    LMAO Mr. Bale, are you trying to imitate Toby Maguire?

  • June 14, 2005, 11:07 a.m. CST

    yes... but InZodWeTrust

    by hellboydan

    Me: "it sets up direct confrontations with numerous villains for the sequels without neccesarily having to trawl through origin stories for them..." You: "The only reconizable villain IS Zsasz, the rest are nobodies" But isn't this the indirect result for having the Joker appear in the sequel, because of the Arkham breakout? He was already there? I'm only speculating because I haven't seen it yet, but it seems like a good idea. As I said earlier I only noticed Mr Zzazz on a cast list, so I wasn't sure.

  • June 14, 2005, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Mr. Zsasz?

    by BillEmic

    I'm a huge Batman fan and I've never heard of Mr. Zsasz. At the risk of having my Batman fanboy license revoked, I must ask...who is this villain?

  • June 14, 2005, 11:16 a.m. CST

    next project for Nolan?

    by HeadlessCorpse

    I'm excited to see Nolan's Batman this weekend, but I would have been excited to see whatever his next project was going to be, and for the next project after this, I'd be much more excited to see an original concept from him rather than another Batman movie.

  • June 14, 2005, 11:18 a.m. CST


    by MasterWhedon

    They're not confusing or disorienting. They're just CLOSE. There are times you wish they could pull back and show the whole scene, but they are done well, especially when they're first establishing Batman's character and showing you him from his prey's perspective.

  • June 14, 2005, 11:20 a.m. CST


    by MasterWhedon

    I only really remember him from part of the Knightfall storyline with Bane years back. He's a serial killer who carves a tally mark into his skin for each person he kills. He's only in the film for a few moments, but is VERY creepy.

  • June 14, 2005, 11:23 a.m. CST

    BillEmic - Mr Zsasz

    by theoneofblood

  • June 14, 2005, 11:24 a.m. CST


    by MasterWhedon

    It's also because the gas is most heavily release--and Arkham is located in--a place called the Narrows, the shittiest slums you can think of. Not only are the Asylum inmates going the be fucked up, but so are those in the lowest social class, many of whom are prone to lives of crime as it was.

  • June 14, 2005, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Is it just me....

    by JiggamanSpence

    or do all the reviews of this film really not tell you a god damn thing about it?

  • June 14, 2005, 11:29 a.m. CST


    by InZodWeTrust

    Is a serial killer who carves a notch into himself everytime he takes a victim. One of the lower-tiered Batman villains. As for the Joker, I take him as a direct result of the pandemonium of the gassing of the Narrows, so I don't think he was in Arkham, as Gordon made no mention of it.

  • June 14, 2005, 11:30 a.m. CST

    The Best Books Ever (Fiction and Non Fiction)

    by Rayhad Jackson

    1-A Confederacy Of Duences-2-All The Kings Men-3-Watership Down-4-Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas-5-Private Parts-6-The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test-7-A Farewell To Arms-8-Of Mice And Men-8-The Outsiders-9-The Hotel New Hampshire-10-Catcher In The Rye

  • June 14, 2005, 11:31 a.m. CST


    by Darth Kong

    Zsasz is played by the lead singer of JAMES. The band who sang LAID, SIT DOWN and many more. Huh, I have seen the movie twice and didn't realise that.

  • June 14, 2005, 11:31 a.m. CST

    it was pretty corporate and blah, but in all the ways mainstream

    by watashiwadare

    "dark"-- ooooh.

  • June 14, 2005, 11:37 a.m. CST


    by lofe101

    Christian Bale is the man, ive been waiting for him to hit the big time since american psycho. Bale blows Clooney and Val right out of the water. hopefully there is a couple of sequals with him

  • June 14, 2005, 11:41 a.m. CST


    by Daddy Tones

    Serenity is going to kick it's ass. In fact, Joww Whedon's Wonder Woman is going to kick the shit out of NOlans Batman.

  • June 14, 2005, 11:43 a.m. CST

    But the most important question is still...

    by DerLanghaarige

    Who the fuck killed Moviemack? Uhm...okay, it's not so important (But I still wanna know, where he is).

  • June 14, 2005, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Top Breeds Of Dog

    by Rayhad Jackson

    1-German Shepard-2-Newfoundland-3-Saint Bernard-4-Retriever (any breed)-5-Austrailan Cattle Dog

  • June 14, 2005, 11:46 a.m. CST

    to watashiwadare

    by jorson2

    What the hell do you mean by, "It was pretty corporate..." Do you even know what a corporation is or do you just think all corporations are rezoned sections of hell? Before using adjectives like "corporate" or words like "corporation" to put something down, consider that the toilet paper you wipe your ass with is most likely manufactured and sold by a corporation. Unless, of course, you're some enlightened naturalist in rejection of evil and greedy modern society and don't wipe your butt, in which case, enjoy the burning sensation.

  • June 14, 2005, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Top Breeds Of Dog

    by Rayhad Jackson

    6-Irish Wolfehound-7-Beagle-8-Shitzu-9-Bull Mastiff-10-Husky/Greyhound (cross breed)

  • June 14, 2005, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Running time?

    by abcdefz1

    What's up with the running time? I've seen reviews list it at 134 minutes, 140, and 150. IMDB says 141. Is the IMAX version shorter?

  • June 14, 2005, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Best Sexual Experiences

    by Rayhad Jackson

    1-14 years old loss of virginity to Melissa in woods surrounding resivoir 2-19 years old sex with Hungerian Blonde in Massage parlor formerly known as the Alpha Club. 3-18 Sex in Dorm with Katie 4-17 Sex with Danelle when her parents went to the Cape. 5-19 Sex with Asian Meth addict at a party while visiting friends in Arizona

  • June 14, 2005, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Minor problems with 'Begins' should be ironed out in the

    by performingmonkey

    People looking for 'Begins' to totally fulfil the potential of a Bat movie were always going to be disappointed. That's because of the need to retell the origin story and setup the new world. This is why it was essential for villains to take a backseat and the focus to be on Bruce Wayne. It's also why new villains (i.e. villains we haven't seen on screen before) were needed. The sequel with The Joker will be able to be what Spiderman 2 was to Spiderman. It has to potential to kick unholy ass. It's rumoured that Two-Face will be setup in the second film for him to be the main villain in the third. I sure as hell hope they choose the right actors for both Dent and The Joker, and also maybe The Penguin if that happens.

  • June 14, 2005, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Best Song Ever

    by Rayhad Jackson

    Blue Oyster Cult-Burning For You.

  • June 14, 2005, 12:32 p.m. CST

    It's official, Katie's gone the way of the cult

    by Doc_Strange

    Another one bites the dust.

  • June 14, 2005, 12:36 p.m. CST

    IMAX version

    by I Dunno

    It *used* to be that IMAX movies were limited to 2 hours. Maybe it still is. IMAX definitly isn't worth seeing a truncated version of any film. I hope they make it a trilogy and leave us wanting more, rather than keep going with less and less interesting villains. I hope Bale sticks around for the whole thing, and I think he's already signed for 3. Besides being shitty films, the last two Batman movies suffered from changing actors. Only Bond can get away with that. Oh and NO ROBIN. Thank you.

  • June 14, 2005, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Last night

    by shutterghost

    I got a chance to see this last night and it blew me away. It's the best movie I've seen all year. Beats the shit out of the Sith and anything else. Only movie that comes close is Sin City. Minor complaints- Bale's face seemed to be really squished in the mask, Alfred knocking out a ninja with a cane, Holme's crooked face and mere prescence, and .... shit. that's it. I can live with all of that. I think we can kiss the box office slump good bye. This will be getting repeat viewings.

  • June 14, 2005, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Before I see this film tonight...

    by IamNumber1

    I'm gonna watch the crow, Blade Runner, and Batman(1989). Then it's pushups and I'm off to see the midnight showing. I could care less about all the other movies coming out for the rest of the year. I mean it. Today's the day.

  • June 14, 2005, 12:42 p.m. CST


    by abcdefz1

    ...I know that when Apollo 13 was reissued in IMAX, they had to cut it down some, and that was... last year? Hmmm. I doubt that any of the early screenings or press screenings are in IMAX format, though.

  • June 14, 2005, 12:45 p.m. CST

    First Erection

    by Rayhad Jackson

    Age of Six Watching Lamda Lamda Lamda Panty Raid the Pie House and install cameras In Revenge of the Nerds the fourth greatest movie of all time."We've got bush" -"Booger" Presley

  • June 14, 2005, 12:49 p.m. CST

    "As much as STAR WARS fans love to bitch about the prequels, at

    by Anla'shok

    Not a miracle Harry. So this is where all this hyperbole emanants? You were so shocked an relieved not to see batnipples and neon? It also sounds like your dialing back it's greatness, what with the "it could have been" scenarios. This is why I can't take your reviews seriously. You splurge all over the website screaming that it's the best pussy you've ever had, then later like a guilty john you gather up your clothes and head back home to your wife(reality).

  • June 14, 2005, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Why are there talks of remaking old characters?

    by screenplaywriter

    Jack Nicholson's Joker was priceless. Sure, Mark Hamill could make him the guy we love in the cartoons and Crispin Glover and Tim Roth could probably make the character just as brooding, fun, amusing, and sadistic as he should be, but Jack owned the role. Same with Pffifer as Catwoman and Danny Devito as The Penguin. The characters you do need to redo are: Bane, Mr. Freeze, and Poison Ivy. Clearly Ben Kingsley was the ideal Mr. Freeze. He has the bald head, the cold glare and eyes, and looks like Freeze. The characters they should work on are: Clayface they could make it where this movie emphasizes "fear" well have the next one be "identity" or something. Bring in Killer Croc too and The Ventriloquist. Mad Hatter too. Manbat. Bring them on. Don't rehash what's been done, move on, and keep making sequels.

  • June 14, 2005, 12:55 p.m. CST

    I was at an IMAX screening...

    by MasterWhedon

    ...and it was the whole film, not a re-cut. I know because a friend of mine had seen it beforehand in a regular theater and said it was the exact same. I believe it still played around the 140 min. mark w/ credits. And some of the shots in Iceland are incredible on that ginormous screen.

  • June 14, 2005, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Best Daily Experiences

    by Flem_Snopes

    1 - Sleep 2 - Eat 3 - Dump 4 - Urination Sensation 5 - I'll never tell

  • June 14, 2005, 12:59 p.m. CST


    by Voice O. Reason

    I'm looking forward to hearing from him more than that twit who kept claiming Palpatine was a clone of Sidious.

  • June 14, 2005, 12:59 p.m. CST

    The Greatest Wars

    by Rayhad Jackson

    1-World War Two-2-Persian Wars-3-Second Punic War-4-American Revolutionary War-5-Whatever war it was that Charles (the hammer) Martell stopped the ugly Muslims from conquering the beautiful Europeans.

  • June 14, 2005, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Holy Shit Darth Kong. Booth is Zsasz?

    by Trevor Goodchild

    I remember Tim Booth saying he was in the new Batman ages ago. Forgot all about that. It'll probably be a Billy Dee Williams in future films though and he'll be replaced if the character becomes more prominent. Although maybe not considering Nolan's sensebilities.

  • June 14, 2005, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Whedon

    by abcdefz1

    Good to know. Yeah -- I can imagine those Iceland scenes looked great; it recalls Insomnia's great shots of the landscape. Beautiful stuff.

  • June 14, 2005, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Jim Carey finally ready to be the Joker

    by cykloan

    Does anyone else think that Jim Carey is old enough and mature enough to finally play and be the definitive Joker

  • June 14, 2005, 1:15 p.m. CST


    by tango fett

    WANNA GET NUTS?! C'MON, LET'S GET NUTS!! So anyway, Tom Cruise is just a pretty boy cyborg used by the Scientologists to convert the ladies. You know I'm right.

  • June 14, 2005, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Most Sexually attractive Non Human Females

    by Rayhad Jackson

    1-Zira the Chimpanzee (original planet of the apes) 2-Miss Piggy 3-mystique (xmen) 3-David Bowie (Labybryth)

  • June 14, 2005, 1:24 p.m. CST

    sorry Harry BUT

    by William Cutting

    Phantom Menace was worse than Batman + Robin

  • June 14, 2005, 1:25 p.m. CST

    The Next Joker...

    by RetroActive

    Probably old news for most, but... I must add. Nicholson was good as Nicholson Joker...but I still think I'd like to see someone play The Joker, you know? My fear is the early rumors surrounding the studio needing a "name". I'd rather someone get lost in the part, rather than the old, "Superstar Jones as the Joker".

  • June 14, 2005, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Manbat was one of the best B:TAS episodes

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    One of the first episodes too, if I recall, right up there with Grey Ghost, that made sure I was gonna get hooked on the series.

  • June 14, 2005, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Hey Rayhad!

    by RetroActive

    Zira and Bowie...nice bookends. Funny stuff, man.

  • June 14, 2005, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Most Sexually Attractive Non-Human Females, Part II Most Sexual

    by Garbageman33

    How about Syndrome's assistant in The Incredibles? That was a sweet piece of cartoon ass right there.

  • June 14, 2005, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Whoa, what the hell happened there?

    by Garbageman33

    Stupid Commodore 64.

  • June 14, 2005, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Most Sexually Attractive Non-Human Females

    by RetroActive

    What about Grace Jones in A View to a Kill?

  • June 14, 2005, 1:49 p.m. CST

    thanks for fixing it.

    by BurlIvesLeftNut

    Still wish I hadn't seen it.

  • June 14, 2005, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Grace Jones as Man-Bat!!!

    by RetroActive

    Find some no-name dude to play the alter-ego loser scientist, then poof!! Grace Jones Man-Bat! Now that's pretty scary!!

  • June 14, 2005, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Jim Carrey as Joker

    by RetroActive

    No thanks. I like him, but not that much. He wouldn't be able to resist turning it into some type of side-show silliness.

  • June 14, 2005, 2 p.m. CST

    The only real casting list:

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    Zhang Ziyi would make a good BATGIRL. I still can't see a Brody Joker, and Andy Serkis isn't lanky enough unfortunately, so my choice continues to be Crispin Glover. Jude Law would be a fantastic RIDDLER. Liev Schrieber for TWO-FACE, unless they want to add some color in which case obviously Denzel, though I doubt he'd do it. Definitely Britney Murphey as HARLEY. Scarlet might be a decent original BATGIRL, but I'm not sure she can be tough enough. Martin Short would be the perfect MAD HATTER. Ben Kingsley as The VENTRILOQUIST, MR FREEZE, or the CLOCK KING. Or Patrick Stewart as the VENTRILOQUIST, the CLOCK KING, or MR FREEZE (the best Mr Freeze was the deathly serious one from the Animated Series, and Kingsley and Stewart would be perfect for that). Or Jonathan Pryce for the VENTRILOQUIST or the CLOCK KING. I would definitely like to see Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson as BANE. Andy Serkis would be a good PENGUIN. Angelina Jolie for CATWOMAN or possibly POISON IVY. Actually, Diane Lane, or someone similar could work as POISON IVY. Michael Massee as ZSASZ. John Cleese would have been a great Joker back in the day. Will Arnett for CLAYFACE. Mickey Rourke as KILLER CROC. James Spader as BLACK MASK. If we're really reaching for characters, Brad Pitt as HUSH. And I guess that's it. I might also accept Benicio Del Toro as the JOKER...

  • June 14, 2005, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Eh, Batgirl & Robin are two characters I hope we never see in mo

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    And Clayface isn't gonna be worth doing if Spidey ends up having Sandman as its villain in numbero 3.

  • June 14, 2005, 2:13 p.m. CST

    No BATGIRL please! Ever!!!

    by RetroActive

    Batgirl's dumb. Period. It kind of craps on and cheapens Batman's whole mantra, in my opinion. Benicio del Toro as Joker? I have a problem with that. You need a mousey type for the Ventriloquist, me thinks...and what about Andy Serkis as The Penguin, if anything? I don't know. Just a thought.

  • June 14, 2005, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Got my tickets to today for Wednesday.

    by Thirteen 13

    Welcome back Batman. Your finally getting the right treatment after Schumacher nearly buried the franchise.

  • June 14, 2005, 2:20 p.m. CST

    does anybody know what type of martial arts they used in this fi

    by fried samurai

    Im into martial arts and am curious to know what fighting style they used.It looks very similar to the BOURNE films which used the filipino martial art kali.I thought I read somewhere it was a new fighting style.Anybody know?..peace

  • June 14, 2005, 2:20 p.m. CST


    by Akira'sCrow

    Jeremy Irons as Mr. Freeze

  • June 14, 2005, 2:26 p.m. CST

    9 hours and counting till midnight show...

    by zathras34

    Giamatti as penguin would be hysterical as penguin..(and mr cobblepot is probably my least fav villian) As for thats a tough call..WB would never do him justice... Someone said a while ago..Martin short as "the mad hatter"..that would be cool.. I would like to see the girls from the WB's "birds of prey" to show up...and tell how Barbra really got crippled and the aftermath..I have all the ep's of that show..that was awsome.. first person that came to mind for zsaz was tim roth..or..sorry folks..but dye the hair..brad pitt... Jim carey is done I hope for batman..unless a re ply of the riddler... and most of more schwarzenegger...BOOOOOOO Give us Patrick (charles xavier himself) "Mr. Freeze" "AM I'M FREEZE OF BORG..HEATING IS FUTILE!!!" I Hope and wish everyone a good time for this long awaited batman.. let it BEGIN !! Peace..

  • June 14, 2005, 2:40 p.m. CST


    by RetroActive

    Jeremy Iron's as Freeze? Good call, Aguado!

  • June 14, 2005, 2:43 p.m. CST

    fried samurai

    by MasterWhedon

    They have a piece on the HBO First Look special where they talk about the fighting style. I believe Kali was the style they referred to (or at least it sounds very similar). They said such a style really hasn't been done on film before and it'd give Batman his own unique style, as opposed to wirework and traditional Kung Fu. It's got nice, crisp moves that are more about the takedown than the dance.

  • June 14, 2005, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Mackenzie Crook for the Joker, not Crispin Glover

    by abcdefz1 In The Office, he displayed a genuinely creepy perversity underneath it all which would then occasionally pop out and stun his co-workers. I'm also willing to bet he's much easier to work with than Glover, who would give more of a one-note performance.

  • June 14, 2005, 2:45 p.m. CST

    If it is Kali, that martial art has been getting more mileage th

    by GrandMuffTarkin

    Hmmm...perhaps a bad analogy.

  • June 14, 2005, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Gwen Stefani Needs To Make A Cameo In The Second Film As "Dr. Ha

    by Flim Springfield

    And I'm in the "Crispin Glover as the Joker" camp.

  • June 14, 2005, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Fried Samurai

    by RetroActive

    I heard christain Bale said it is called Keysi, and supposedly, it was created exclusively for the film but borrowed from South African martial arts as well as Far East stuff.

  • June 14, 2005, 2:52 p.m. CST

    the martial arts style used:

    by Shigeru

  • June 14, 2005, 2:53 p.m. CST


    by Shigeru

    Anyways, the martial arts style used is actually called "FUCKIN NINJA FLIP OUT AND UPPERCUT AND SHIT"

  • June 14, 2005, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Martial Arts link

    by RetroActive's mentioned in this link. And that was funny, Shigeru.

  • June 14, 2005, 2:54 p.m. CST


    by Rufus_T_Firefly

  • June 14, 2005, 3 p.m. CST

    thanks for the info guys

    by fried samurai


  • June 14, 2005, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Jim Caviezel, Tim Roth, Jeremy Irons, Liev Schrieber, Guy Pearce

    by Murraypalooza

    If Nolan and company were to cast ANY of these actors in the roles of The Joker, Harvey Dent, Mr Freeze I would pretty much love him from now until the day I died. And I'm young, so that's a lot of love. :D

  • June 14, 2005, 3:02 p.m. CST

    I believe Batman goes with the ancient martial art, "Fuckyu Up"

    by Garbageman33

  • June 14, 2005, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Re: The Joker casting... item over at Latino Review

    by abcdefz1

    Clearing Up The "Batman" Sequel Rumours Posted: Tuesday June 14th, 2005 4:28pm Source: Dark Horizons Author: Garth Franklin Whilst the all the casting talk hasn't reached 'who'll play the next James Bond' levels of insanity, there's already been a flurry of gossip over who'll be starring as The Joker in the next "Batman" movie - talk that'll no doubt escalate after the release of the film tomorrow. Well, 'Superagent' comes forward today with a scoop that'll hopefully quieten down some of the BS: "I wanted to clear up a few things that I've been reading about the casting of the 'NEXT' Batman movie. It's an unfair situation - but this how these things work, ok.... They're not letting any unknowns test for the villains of the next movie. NO official casting has begun, ONLY the odd meeting. They will be looking at securing names AFTER the release of Begins. Christian Bale was/is enough of a gamble ("Reign of Fire" and "Equilibrium" made about a buck combined!), so, like this one, Warner are surrounding him with 'famous' faces. They've got their wish-list, and that's it. This guy, Lachy Hulme, it sounds like his people are pushing him more than Warner wants him - an unlikely chance, same with Crispin Glover, whose agent (not surprised) is pushing him ON Warner. I've tried to get through to the powers-that-be that there's a couple of great actors on my agency's books that they should consider, but have been told by an exec there that it isn't worth pushing, because they have their wish-list, and it's got 'NAME ONLY' imprinted on it. Honestly though, there's nothing, no-one really being considered at the moment....Mark Hamill's name has been casually mentioned due to his huge popularity in the cartoons as The Joker. Robin Williams, Sandler....your usual suspects" Thanks again to 'Superagent'.

  • June 14, 2005, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Guy Pearce

    by Akira'sCrow

    Wow! I wonder if Pearce could pull off the clown prince of crime. He's a terrific actor, it's worth a shot. But he would be better suited for Harvey Dent though.

  • June 14, 2005, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Here's my take...

    by Pseudo

    In order to let you know why, or even if, my opinion means anything let me provide a bit of backstory. When I was nine I went through a plate-glass door and severed everything under my knee to the bone. I spent the next summer in a half body-cast. My parents bought me a book about the first fifty years of Batman. This covered the origional Bob Kane comics up to the present incarnation and went into a lot of depth about what made the character who he was for each generation. I've always believed that Batman was the ONLY superhero I could ever really comprehend. No radioactive powers, no ability to fly, no invulnerability just a whole lot of anger. As a nine year-old in a half body-cast that made a lot of sense to me. I saw the Denver sneak preview last night and I can say that this IS the Batman film I've waited to see since I was introduced to the character 28 years ago. For everyone who's concerned with the fight scens, relax. If you've ever been in a fight (and as an ex-bouncer I've seen my fair share) you'll understand they're short, fast, and brutal. There's no art in a streetfight, no choriographed high-kicks, just plain flesh on flesh trying to put the other guy down as fast as possible. That's what these fights are like. They're realistic because they're ugly. For those who want to compare this to Tim Burton's movies, please don't. They're as comparable as Mr. Burton's films were to the '60's Adam West incarnation. Mr. Burton brought more of an adult Batman into the fore, Mr. Nolan brings a completely adult Batman to us. More importantly, we get a Bruce Wayne who is fleshed out enough that we understand how and why his anger brought him to the extreme that it did. More importantly, because of the Rachael character, we understand why he didn't go over the edge. For those complaining about the costume, including the three fanboys leaving the movie in front of me, make your own movie, perhaps then you'll see how difficult it is to create something that's both believable and articulated enough to work (which this one spades). Mr. Bale animates this costume with a sense uncompromising certainty and projects the chilling fear that Batman should bring. Believe me, after seeing him in action you'll fear the shadows again. The cinematography and editing are amazing in this. Batman moves like a reven through a midnight sky. You might see an outline, an impression, but you're never fully sure. Batman is a predator in this movie, he hunts his prey and uses his costume and surprise to his complete advantage. It's great to see Batman working his way through the ranks to get the information he needs. I'm really surprised by people complaining that the first hour is slow. It makes me wonder if they thought Richard Donner's "Superman: The Movie" was too slow in its first hour. Do they not understand the importance of character development? If we're going to give a damn about Bruce Wayne's quest for justice, we need to understand Bruce Wayne. Without the first hour, this movie would have never worked nearly as well as it did. Props again on the editing of this segment of the film as well, I really enjoyed the way things went back and forth to fill in Bruce's story. I can't think of a single aspect of this movie that didn't work for me. It's adult, well written and acted, and INCREDIBLY well directed. There are transgressions made with the traditional storyline, but at least they remembered Joe Chill was NOT the Joker (I really almost walked out of Mr. Burton's Batman when it was revealed that the Joker killed Bruce's parents), so they are easy to overlook and forgive. I'm going back tonight for the midnight IMAX show and I really can't wait. I can only hope the second viewing leaves me as breathless as the first. ??Pseudo??

  • June 14, 2005, 3:22 p.m. CST

    If Sandler gets cast as the Joker, somebody within a 5 foot radi

    by xXMr_BoJaNgLeSXx

    'nuff said.

  • June 14, 2005, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Burton was good at the time

    by Breotan

    Tim Burton's Batman was okay, but not really a great movie. It was too campy in a 60's TV series kinda way and deviated too much of the original source material for me to really embrace it. The Hulk movie had the same problems, but to an even greater extreme. Hulk vs. soap bubble? WTF? I feel sad in side when I see super-hero movies that ignore the source material and try to "mainstream" the content for a dumber audienc. This being said, I am truely hopeful from what I've read and seen about Batman Begins. I love Bale's work and think he's going to do well both as Wayne and Batman - something Keaton, Kilmer, and Clooney never got close to achieving. Who the hell came up with the idea of Clooney as Batman/Wayne anyway? Nevermind. I had my initial reservations when I saw the re-envisioned Batmobile, but once I saw Bale doing the journey to a far of land for training, I thought that this just might be the movie that gives general audiences a taste of what comic geeks have privately enjoyed for years. Finally, a real story about Batman that isn't full of cartoonish camp and throwbacks (tributes?) to a garbage TV show. I just hope movie execs notice the differences between Batman Begins and Sucktastic Four and realize that super hero movies can make more money when they are taken seriously by the studio. Okay, maybe not. We are talking about an industry that keeps giving Brega and Berman work after all.

  • That should about do it for that Talkback joke, I think.

  • June 14, 2005, 3:31 p.m. CST

    uh oh

    by abcdefz1

    Okay... so if they're wanting a major star as he Joker, who does that leave us with? Brad Pitt? Al Pacino? The guy mentioned Sandler and Williams, which I don't think would happen. And not Carrey again. Not Damon, not Affleck. Definitely not Cruise. NOT Ben Stiller, not Clooney.... Not Will Farrel...

  • June 14, 2005, 3:35 p.m. CST

    This is a pretty impressive Talkback for a movie that 98% of us

    by Akira'sCrow

  • June 14, 2005, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Latino Review/Dark Horizons

    by abcdefz1

    ...sorry. I should've given the credit to Dark Horizons, though I did follow the link through LR.

  • June 14, 2005, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Al Pacino as Joker

    by RetroActive

    GIMME ALL YOU GOT! HO HAAAA! I'm just gittin' warmed up! can you see it, now? Batman: Scent of a Joker...Summer 2007. P.S. Pseudo. Sorry 'bout the glass door. My brother did the same thing...but walked away with nothing more than a scratch behinf his right ear. I guess there's a yin and a yang for everything.

  • June 14, 2005, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Major star as the Joker?

    by LordOfTheThings

    Oh god, I hope it's not Sandler. Although Depp as the Joker could be interesting... they guy's practically a chameleon anyway, and tends to go for the more bizarre parts in his flicks. Mr. Freeze I've always thought should have been Patrick Stewart, but what about Terrence Stamp? He can pull off the refined old guy part, and probably still has some of that Zod-kicking-your-ass badness in him.

  • June 14, 2005, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Why does Hollywood think that big names sell movies?

    by mraig

    It seems to me that there's sort of a disconnect between the so-called 'big names' and the actual advantage putting them in movies has. Somehow Brad Pitt can ask for 20 million a picture, but it's not like his movies all break the box office - Troy, Spy Game, The Mexican, Fight Club, Meet Joe Black - those are all lukewarm performers at best. The same is true for a lot of the Hollywood 'big names.' But if you look at the highest grossing movies each year - Spider Man, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars prequels - they gross more money without the big names. Did having Alfred Molina as the villain hurt Spiderman 2? Did having Ian McDiarmid hurt Revenge of the Sith? And who thinks having Ken Watanabe and Cillian Murphy instead of Jackie Chan and Ben Affleck is going to hurt Batman Begins? I don't see why Warner Brothers would think that it's so vital to have huge names for the villains in the new Batman movies. Didn't they learn their lesson from Batman and Robin?

  • June 14, 2005, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Give me a break!

    by Packin_Beef

    Batman Begins? What a bunch of garbage. The only way to do this hack right, was to bring back Adam West and Burt Ward! No shit! Sure, they are old as hell and Burt looks like Subway Jared before he lost weight, but that's my point! BAM! Storyline: the death of Batgirl years ago ended in the dynamic duo, calling it quits....each blaming each other for her death. Yes, they got the Joker (flashbacks, but at what cost?) It's been 30 years and crime is rising in Gotham. Show the new breed of superheroes (young 18-21 year old punks with cool costumes) getting killed off one by one by an unknown villain. There's only one man who can defeat the villain, and he can't do it alone. Show the never-been-done-before alienated partners having it out....then back to the gym(batcave) to get in shape (Rocky music plays). Action packed finale with lotsa blood and heart! Finito!

  • June 14, 2005, 4 p.m. CST

    Will Smith

    by flossygomez

    as the know him turning white would drive him insane.

  • June 14, 2005, 4:03 p.m. CST

    I was just speculatin' on a hypothesis

    by abcdefz1

    Jude Law? Not Tom Hanks. Not Leonardo DiCaprio, for sure. Too bad Joey Pants isn't considered a star -- that might be interesting. Not Ewan MacGregor... I'm just assuming they keep Joker a white guy, but Don Cheadle would be interesting; he can do ANYTHING except a cockney accent.

  • June 14, 2005, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Am I the only person who wants the Clock King in the second movi

    by andrew coleman

    They better get the Joker right because if they make him over the top again it will be a waste. Thanks the Spidey and Sandman will never see Clay Face but what about Scar Face. They could actually make that character creepy and menancing, but probably too much of a gamble.

  • June 14, 2005, 4:12 p.m. CST

    No, man. Clock King rules!!!

    by ZeroCorpse

    He's not as cool as Calendar or Holiday, but still... Very cool when you use him correctly. I think he'd be a great movie character if they made him psychotic and not campy.

  • June 14, 2005, 4:25 p.m. CST

    AMAZING Joker picture

    by AssJackson

  • June 14, 2005, 4:27 p.m. CST

    more bad ideas

    by abcdefz1

    ...Woody Harrelson, Christian Slater, Eddie Murphy...

  • June 14, 2005, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Clock King would be aight, sure. Cast ...

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    Ben Kingsley or Patrick Stewart. Even though, like I said, I'd much rather see Patrick Stewart play Mr Freeze.

  • June 14, 2005, 4:35 p.m. CST


    by Toxic Frog

    He's the only name I've heard that I approve of. I could live with Crispin Glover, if that's the only alternative to the likes of Depp and Sandler. The Joker is creepy and menacing, with just a touch of loveability. His jokes are only funny to himself, no one else. Casting a 'funny' actor like Sandler or Carrey is a gargantuanly wrong move. Get someone (like Norton) who can do menacing and then spice it up with creepy jokes. If nothing else, please keep Johnny Depp, Adam Sandler, AND ESPECIALLY ROBIN WILLIAMS (good lord he would suck) far, far, far away from the Joker. PS. Don't forget that the Joker is THIN. That means NOT SHORT AND CHUBBY.

  • June 14, 2005, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Joker Casting. Jerry Lewis, Perry Farell,

    by hallmitchell

  • June 14, 2005, 5 p.m. CST

    other Jokers

    by abcdefz1

    Topher Grace? Michael Douglas?

  • June 14, 2005, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Has nobody considered Vince Vaughn as Joker?

    by Edison

    I think Vaughn could be a really good Joker. And as for Ed Norton... check out Primal Fear and tell me Ed Norton shouldn't play Harvey Dent / Two Face.

  • June 14, 2005, 5:04 p.m. CST


    by hellboydan

    Michael Douglas as the Joker? his grandad perhaps.

  • June 14, 2005, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Ewan McGregor for Joker

    by Mosquito March

    Norton's a chameleon, he would be great, but he's also a controlling prick. I've always seen McGregor as the Joker, ever since that first freeze-frame of Renton grinning maniacally in TRAINSPOTTING. He's also (usually) drawn to the same kinds of wildly flawed characters that guys like Bale and Oldman go after. I think he could perfectly convey the fiendish glee of the ultimate comic book homicidal maniac, and yet give him the tragic depth that was only very lightly touched upon in Burton's film.

  • June 14, 2005, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Conrad Veldt

    by flossygomez

    from the old Cabinet of Dr. Calagari would have been perfect! Do a CG Veldt!

  • June 14, 2005, 5:10 p.m. CST


    by abcdefz1

    I'm just throwing out names. Not sure if these folks are all A-list... but a few of these possibilities do intrigue me (if they HAVE to go A-list): Pitt, Pacino, Law, Grace, and Douglas. I still say Mackenzie Crook or Joey Pantoliano are first and second choices.

  • June 14, 2005, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Richard Grieco as the Joker

    by Breotan,%20Richard%20(I)

  • June 14, 2005, 5:13 p.m. CST


    by abcdefz1

    Joaquin Phoenix. There's a thought.

  • June 14, 2005, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Congrats to Cillian Murphy, and my casting choices

    by Ivan_Mtl

    Cillian Murphy just proves to me that you do not need a BIG name to play the part of one of Batman's villians for any future sequels to the rebooted franchise. Of course, having said that, I suppose I should weigh in with my choices as well - especially considering that we talkbackers were very vocal about our choice of Christian Bale during the early Batman Begins casting stage. Anyway, I think I echo a lot of others here when I say that Crispin Glover would be very interesting as the Joker... Paul Giamatti as the Penguin is sheer genius... ditto for Jude Law as the Riddler... I think Ralph Fiennes would make a wonderful Harvey Dent/Two Face, if he has not grown tired of roles requiring heavy make-up... Rosario Dawson would be totally hot as Catwoman... I can certainly see Ben Kingsley as Mr Freeze (or even Professor X, for that matter)... Mickey Roarke would kill as Killer Croc... Guy Pierce would make a great Kirk Langstrom/Man-Bat... and Dalip Singh (the HUGE convict from The Longest Yard) was born to play Bane.

  • June 14, 2005, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Adrien Brody

    by Mostholy

    would be perfect as the Joker.

  • June 14, 2005, 5:29 p.m. CST

    The fever has caught me too; villain casting choices

    by BillEmic

    I'd love to see Jeremy Irons play *any* character in the Batman universe. He'd work as Mr. Freeze but I could even see him as the Riddler. Also, throw my vote in for Crispin Glover as the Joker. He'd totally nail it. Mickey Rourke as Killer Croc, excellent...hell, he could even be Bane.

  • June 14, 2005, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Has somebody already suggested Will Ferrell for the Joker?

    by Stan the Bat

    I think he'd be great. The animation is extra-low-quality today, by the way.

  • June 14, 2005, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Remember back in the day when Mel Gibson was up for Batman?

    by Trevor Goodchild

    And Robin is brutally slaughtered in the first five minutes.

  • June 14, 2005, 5:37 p.m. CST

    And more recently when Colin Farrell was the new Bruce

    by Trevor Goodchild

    and Jude Law was Kal El.

  • June 14, 2005, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Sean Bean as Joker and Sean Astin as Penguin.

    by Trevor Goodchild

  • June 14, 2005, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Karl Roden as Freeze

    by Trevor Goodchild

  • June 14, 2005, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Jason Lee as The Riddler.

    by Trevor Goodchild

  • June 14, 2005, 5:49 p.m. CST


    by Pops Freshemeyer

    This looks to be the Batman movie I've been looking forward to since I was five years old. Everybody else might say that Star Wars is their childhood, but for me it's all about a Batman book I got for Christmas 1976 that was filled with Batman by the decade and had a shitload of comics in it. When Burton's Batman came out I liked it, but it wasn't a great film. It was cool seeing something more serious than the Adam West version, but it wasn't what I wanted. Every sequel was progressively worse and watching them was like getting kicked in the groin repeatedly. Until now I'd given up hope on seeing a great Batman film, figuring Mask of the Phantasm would be the best we would get. That isn't a knock, because the movie is incredible. It's just that I'd wanted to see a live action movie get it right. Guess I'll find out how Nolan did in eight hours...

  • June 14, 2005, 5:53 p.m. CST

    joker casting

    by Bootskin

    I still see Tim Roth as pulling Joker off like nobody's business. If they did the whole "Red Hood" bit (the updated Killing Joke" version) he would kick all ass. See Roth's turn in "Four Rooms" as a reference. His busboy character is a pretty cool beginning for the Joker. He needs the work anyway... Crispin Glover's not a bad choice either, but he's freaky enough in real life. As long as we keep him away from Letterman everything should be ok (hehe...)

  • June 14, 2005, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Off topic-The 'Sound Of Thunder' trailer has a few new m

    by Trevor Goodchild

  • June 14, 2005, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Michael Keaton as a Villain would be a nice touch.

    by Trevor Goodchild

  • June 14, 2005, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Jason Isaacs as Clock King

    by Trevor Goodchild

  • June 14, 2005, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Joaquin Phoenix

    by flossygomez

    Wow. I hadn't even thought of him. After seeing him steal every scene in Gladiator...he has that creepy thing going on behind his eyes that would make him a perfect choice. And his smile is completely evil.

  • June 14, 2005, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Alexis Bledel as Harley

    by Trevor Goodchild

  • June 14, 2005, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Carrie-Ann Moss as Catwoman

    by Trevor Goodchild

  • June 14, 2005, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Joaquin Phoenix should have got Beast in X3.

    by Trevor Goodchild

  • June 14, 2005, 6:14 p.m. CST

    The Joker...

    by Dewtrell

    After the film is released, the role of the Joker will be the most wanted in Hollywood. While Nicholson would be difficult to live up to, I think Crispin Glover would be an interesting choice, but I think Kevin Spacey could have an interesting take as well. But I concur with the list thuse far: Ewan McGregor, Johnny Depp, Edward Norton would be awesome but his ego may get in the way.

  • June 14, 2005, 6:15 p.m. CST

    everyone has very quickly

    by bluemancbrit

    forgotten Star Wars, you fickle cunts

  • June 14, 2005, 6:16 p.m. CST

    My Villain Choices...

    by SonOfJorel

    ...would have to be: Crispin Glover as The Joker Patrick Stewert as Mr. Freeze Robert England as The Riddler Jessica Beil as Talia Katherine Heigl (with a brunette dye job) as Catwoman. There they are. Bitch away.

  • June 14, 2005, 6:17 p.m. CST

    How about Cluemaster, Firebug and Catman?

    by Ribs

  • June 14, 2005, 6:17 p.m. CST


    by SonOfJorel

    it didn't space them properly. Ah, well. Imagine commas between them.

  • June 14, 2005, 6:18 p.m. CST


    by RicCage

    I like Firely...but the man wrote Alien Resurrection for goodness sake.... BATMAN BEGINS is the definitive BATMAN MOVIE and perhaps the best superhero movie ever

  • June 14, 2005, 6:18 p.m. CST


    by Dewtrell

    Oh, someone mentioned Christopher Eccelston as the Joker... good work there. I think Colm Feore would work too.

  • June 14, 2005, 6:27 p.m. CST


    by RetroActive

    Crispin Glover? Crispin "Hey you, get your damn hands off of her" Frickin' Glover?!!!! He has the range of a gnat. Please. Let's get serious, here. He would tank the role. While we're at it...why don't we get McG to direct. Joaquin Pheonix, though brilliant in Gladiator...would blow too. I'm sorry to C4 these choices...I just couldn't take it anymore.

  • June 14, 2005, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Michael Keaton as the Joker -- he's got the manic edge (i.e.

    by Spacesheik

  • June 14, 2005, 6:33 p.m. CST


    by Dewtrell

    Eccelston is a damn good actor - he would be perfect! Let's see how many cast members from 28 Days later we can recycle. Also, he was fantastic in Shallow Grave. Ya, I can totally see him as the Joker. And the dude who's talking about race and how white actors should get the "white" role. If that's the case, than Catwoman (NOT HALLE) should be a black woman. In the end, I don't care... I just want good actors that will accompany the great cast already in place. No Adam Sandler, No Jim Carrey... none of that crap.

  • June 14, 2005, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Fuck the Joker

    by flossygomez

    May the casting go to a complete unknown. BTW, Michael Keaton would blo.

  • June 14, 2005, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Michael Keaton

    by Dewtrell

    Hmmm... that would be an interesting twist. Perhaps too interesting for it's own good but interesting nonetheless.

  • June 14, 2005, 6:38 p.m. CST


    by Dewtrell

    I don't think we need a complete unknown but a good actor is needed. I mean, Afred Molina is not a household name and he was excellent. A damn good actor is what's needed, someone who can make the audience forget Nicholson's Joker, which was great at the time. It won't be an easy task.

  • June 14, 2005, 6:39 p.m. CST

    You know what?

    by RetroActive

    I'm coming around to lynxpro's eccleston choice...he does have that "The Killing Joke" grin about him...but I still might need more convincing. But a very solid choice. lynxpro's been the solitary voice on him for a while now. So there's a little company. I still think Vincent Cassel (Night Fox from lame Ocean's 12) has the look, but then I saw Renegade, an awful movie...and he has too thick of a French accent, anyway. So...what to do, what to do. Colm feore has too much of an accountant/FBI lacky dullness about him.

  • June 14, 2005, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Sold: Eccelston

    by Dewtrell

    Actually, I think I'm sold on Eccelston.

  • June 14, 2005, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Speaking of white to black to white characters and parts.

    by Trevor Goodchild

    Would of liked Lawrence Fishburne as Luthor in Superman Returns.

  • June 14, 2005, 6:59 p.m. CST

    How about...

    by tango fett

    Lawrence Fishburne for Mr. Freeze? Just a random thought...

  • June 14, 2005, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Mr. freeze

    by RetroActive

    I don't know...Mr. Freeze is such a great much as I'd like to see him like they remade him in the B: TAS, I think for better or worse...Batman & Robin killed him on the Hollywood level.

  • June 14, 2005, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Still holding out for the Neil Cumpston review

    by wash

  • June 14, 2005, 7:22 p.m. CST

    What About Bane.....

    by Taylor Made

    I always thought the Knightfall story would be great for a Batman movie.

  • June 14, 2005, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Anybody still here?

    by RetroActive

    Or is everybody in line, by now? 8pm on the east coast...

  • June 14, 2005, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Batman Sequel Villain Suggestion:

    by Taylor Made

    Have a completely made up character as the main villain where he seduces Rachel Dawes and the people of Gothamn into his lil own religous cult, maybe call himself the Scientologist and have Tom Cruise play that character. What do you guys think?

  • June 14, 2005, 7:25 p.m. CST


    by RetroActive

    That would be great...but would require a sequel, and a helluva lot of villains...Hollywood would manage to ruin it. But I like your thinking, Fett, Jr. Bringin' in Azrael for a showdown with the true Dark Knight would be very cool. But might require one too many reels.

  • June 14, 2005, 7:37 p.m. CST

    Very True.

    by Taylor Made

    I was kinda thinking that too after I posted it. I think they should get another young but talented director after Nolan does two more movies with the Joker and Two-Face story lines and just shoot it via LOTR back-to-back-to-back. Hmm, it's way too early to speculate on the director but I also want to see WB pull off the Batman vs. Superman pic.

  • June 14, 2005, 7:40 p.m. CST

    The Joker...

    by John Anderton

    ...Ewan McGregor or Jude Law perhaps? Good foils for Bale, IMHO.

  • June 14, 2005, 7:45 p.m. CST

    lynxpro... Can too much Rosario Dawson ever be enough? lol

    by Ivan_Mtl

    But seriously, your suggestion for replacing Halle Berry as Storm with Rosario Dawson is a great one, so why not go one step further and have her completely steal Ms Berry's thunder (pun definitely intended) by casting her as Catwoman as well. She was absolutely fantastic in Sin City (actually, everyone was), and had a "Vanessa Del Rio" like quality to her in it that brought back fond memories of my adolescence (I was even lucky enough to meet Ms. Rio and thank her personally for getting me through puberty). lol But seriously, if you recall Frank Miller's Catwoman from Year One, Selina Kyle could easily have been black or hispanic. There was a real vagueness about her ethnic background which I thought made her a lot more interesting. Julie Newmar did a terrific job (and was another very "influential" woman in my growth to manhood... lol), but a lot of people will swear by Eartha Kitt as well - especially here in Montreal where she is so beloved.

  • June 14, 2005, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Jude Law as the Joker

    by Almuc

    I think jude Law has definitely got the look for the (good chin), but is he weird enough to all the un-hinged psychological stuff?

  • June 14, 2005, 7:47 p.m. CST

    What About.....

    by Taylor Made

    Daniel-Day Lewis, probaby the greatest actor of all time, just make up a character for him or just use his Bill the Butcher character as the next main villain, hell I think he should have been Bruce Wayne.

  • June 14, 2005, 7:50 p.m. CST

    I say NO to Ewan McGregor as the Joker...

    by Langfhir

    However, he would be perfect Alex in a remake of "A Clockwork Orange" (Which I hope to God never happens!)

  • June 14, 2005, 7:52 p.m. CST


    by CelestialPudding

    I heard someone mentioning Guy Pearce as Two-Face...i think that's a great idea. He's a great actor that can portray the angst and the duality. Also he's worked with Chris Nolan so if Nolan is back in the director's chair that's a possibility. I hope they create Dent's relationship with Bruce Wayne and sets up his transformation like the animated series. I thought that was great!

  • June 14, 2005, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Saw it: A Chick's Point of View

    by FlickChick

    It was a GOOD SOLID FILM. PERIOD. I think people will be shocked at well this does...If I'm not over-estimating US audiences' intelligence, that is...My biggest fears were that the big name stars (Neeson, Caine, Freeman, Oldman) would overshadow Batman and that Katie Holmes would annoy me. They were thankfully, unfounded. Yeah, the fight scenes were choppy, but they weren't that central to the film, IMO. Establishing Batman, seeing the bat-tank in action, and eerie CGI effects more than make-up for it.

  • June 14, 2005, 8:09 p.m. CST

    How about Vincent Gallo as the Joker?

    by Mr. Waturi

    I know they'd never hire him, but still.

  • June 14, 2005, 8:09 p.m. CST


    by flossygomez

    Jude Law. "is he weird enough to all the un-hinged psychological stuff?" See: Road to Perdition...oh he's unhinged enough.

  • June 14, 2005, 8:09 p.m. CST

    No-Name City

    by RetroActive

    I still like the idea of grooming people that we've never heard of. Unfortunately, that'll never happen. Jude Law, I think would be better suited as Two-Face, in a quirky, manic style a la A.I. Guy Pierce doesn't emote enough for me. As for Halle Berry, I wish she'd just go away...not the strongest actress. But nice to look at. If they make her a principle in X-3. God help us! She's the weakest Storm ever.

  • June 14, 2005, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Vincent Gallo...

    by flossygomez

    Ha! Ha! We can have a "brown bunny" scene with Rachel!

  • June 14, 2005, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Vinvent Gallo as Joker

    by RetroActive

    I'm sorry. I hate him. Just my personal opinion. can't even stand to look at him. I think the studios feel the same, I hope.

  • June 14, 2005, 8:15 p.m. CST

    and Jessica Biel is Catwoman

    by Mr. Waturi

  • June 14, 2005, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Jessica Biel as Catwoman. Only one problem...she can't act.

    by xXMr_BoJaNgLeSXx

  • June 14, 2005, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Agreed. Biel sucks.

    by RetroActive


  • June 14, 2005, 8:31 p.m. CST


    by RetroActive

    Good night, all. Enjoy the talkback. And eventually...the movie. Peace.

  • June 14, 2005, 8:33 p.m. CST


    by RetroActive

    Good night, all. Enjoy the talkback. And eventually...the movie. Peace.

  • June 14, 2005, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Great . . .

    by Bulldoggie

    only 3 more hours and I can see the new Fantastic Four trailor. I suppose Batman will be sorta cool too.

  • June 14, 2005, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Angelina Jolie as Talia

    by Black Satin 2

    You need someone who can speak a foreign language convincingly, not be afraid of standing there with Christian Bale and most importantly, kick some serious ass. After seeing Mr. and Mrs. Smith, that's Angelina all over. Plus, I think they should give Catwoman the Pet shop owner who fences her stolen booty. She should be someone who believes she comes from wealth, like in Jeph Loep's Dark Victory. I think it should be Morena Baccin from Firefly.

  • June 14, 2005, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Christopher Eccleston for the Joker would work, but . . .

    by TheTsordiLine

    I don't think Eccleston would jump from Doctor Who, for fear of being typecast, into a Hollywood "genre" film as one of the better known villains of our time. Whoever gets the role, I hope it's someone like Alfred Molina -- capable, suited to the role, but not a big name.

  • June 14, 2005, 9:47 p.m. CST

    great Talk back..yea right

    by jonleeus

    And Daredevil was the SHIT!!! But,seriously daredevil sucked ass,and I'm suprised no one else really mentioned it,what with the kicking people while there down fanboyishness prevelent here within.Also,this movie looks like the shit,someone said dark knight returns as source material and I was in.strikes again was the shit as well. Later:>

  • June 14, 2005, 10:23 p.m. CST

    These casting musings are getting tiresome

    by flossygomez

    Thanks for making another talkback mind numbingly boring. Why can't anyone here talk about some sick sexual thing that Bruce Wayne has to do to get into his bondage costume? Or why films about a hopelessly corrupt megalopolis ala Bladerunner makes the public trousers hoist? How about a remake of Zorro:The Gay Balde, but with Batman?...oh, they already did that...I forgot? Why can't anyone whose stumbled out of the theatres talk instead of these asswipes fishing for casting choices. Pick your grave and die worm fodder...and I'm saying that in the nicest possible way sweetie pies :) hee.hee.

  • June 14, 2005, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Gay Balde...heh heh...I funny.

    by flossygomez

  • June 14, 2005, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Daredevil sub par Batman movie

    by flossygomez

    I remember seeing it and thinking...this is a Batman movie...a terrible Batman movie. I still laugh out loud when I think of that anti-gravity fight on the church pipes. Utterly horrid!

  • June 14, 2005, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Batsuit & Batmobile

    by Soulpt

    The suit used in Batman Forever was perfect except for the nipples. The suit in BB is decent at best. Just too bulky for my taste. Considering how little we actually see him move in the fight seens I don't see why its such a big deal if it appears a bit stiff. The car needs to be modified in future films to ensure it looks more like the traditional comic book based model. The tumber is cool and a good start but I'm ready to see it look more the part. This is a comic book movie and not one based on "reality". So enough with that already. The car or suite aren't supposed to actually be "plausible" as some have suggested.

  • June 14, 2005, 10:57 p.m. CST


    by antonphd

    I pick BRAD PITT for TWO-FACE. See Kalifornia, True Romance, Twelve Monkeys, Fight Club and Snatch for proof that he plays a great crazy fucker. See any one of his other movies like Sleepers or Se7en to see that he makes a fine lawman. I personally think that Brad Pitt is like Alec Baldwin: a great supporting actor stuck in the body of a leading man. When ever Pitt gets to let loose and have fun, his movies range from fun to classic. Come on, our generation will always see the cover of Snatch and say 'oh my god, brad pitt was hilarious as the pikey' or see the cover of Fight Club and say 'other than his choice of clothing at the end, Brad Pitt was insanely funny as Tyler'. This casting will never happen in a million years, but, it's too bad, cause you and I both know that he is the obvious choice to play the pretty boy lawyer and crazy pycho roles.

  • June 14, 2005, 11:03 p.m. CST


    by antonphd

    Remember the discusion that Pitts character in 12 Monkeys had, practically, with himself in the mental institution about... well, actually, any of his conversations in the mental institution... I can see him being perfect at argueing with himself over what to do. Damn, this is sad, cause he really would be perfect for the role. Why does he have to be typecast as the dumb ass pretty boy leading man.

  • June 14, 2005, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Jason Lee as Joker.

    by Briannicus

    Someone mentioned Jason Lee as the Joker. . .after his turn in the Incredibles as Syndrome, I could definitely imagine it. . .I think he could be a decent Joker.

  • June 14, 2005, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Off topic: Where are the War Of The World reviews?

    by drompter

    Wasn't WoW screened in Japan last night?

  • June 14, 2005, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Best Public Toilets to get "the nasty"

    by flossygomez

    1)K-Mart up on Rose & 43rd. 2)7-11 by Squiggles Tavern underneath the "Old Town" viaduct. #) Any bathroom in a theater showing Batman Begins

  • June 14, 2005, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Joker Casting Idea

    by jeremykirk13

    Has anyone seen the Nicole Kidman film Birth? The guy in that she is suppossed to marry - Danny Huston - would make a damn fine Joker. Just from that movie, he has the look and the sleaziness factor to pull it off. The scene where he and the kid are in the elevator, and he's smiling at the kid still gives me the creeps thinking about it. Let me know if anyone else thinks this to be a good idea.

  • June 15, 2005, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Ok, Lets get this right.....

    by Hellboy700

    Adrian Brody is gonna be the Joker. Lets count the reasons: 1. Oscar Winner. 2. Coming off the high that will be King Kong 3. The man can make a joke....kissing Halle Berry was shear genius. 4. If the agents wanted an A-List name, he is it. 5. We all have to remember that the Joker started as a punk schlepp who lost it. Adrian has the capacity to play the everyman who is plagued by tragedy (The Pianist). 6. Physically, Adrian physically fits the part. He is handsome in a geeky sort of way. But he still can eminate that creepy geekiness that wants to make you shiver when you find him staring at you. 7. Crispin v. Adrian, I would expect Crispin to act creepy, yes. But there has to be a sense of humor behind the creepiness, not just creepy. Adrian looks like he has a joke running through his head.

  • June 15, 2005, 12:11 a.m. CST

    Danny Huston & Adrian Brody

    by KidBlackthorn

    I dunno Hellboy700...he was awful in The Village. And A-List means bringin' home the bacon. King Kong will be the star of that pic...Brody could get lost in the crowd. Of one's seen it yet. As for JeremyKirk13's's a little background on John Huston's son, Danny Huston.

  • June 15, 2005, 12:27 a.m. CST

    Ryan Reynolds as the Joker

    by CardinalHog

    Just throwing a name out there, but why not Ryan Reynolds as the next Joker? I'm sure if he lost a little bit of his muscle mass, and we dyed his hair a bit darker, he could be a great alternative to the stereotypical Crispin Glover and Tim Roth spew.

  • June 15, 2005, 12:32 a.m. CST

    Joker Casting...Again...

    by Bones

    We need someone with a tin face for the Joker--Nicholson was way too fat. And thinking about it --someone who could REALLY smile, and do so creepily. Ecceston would be good. Adrien Brody good, as well. Pierce would be a better choice--he can be truly manic. But the best I can think of, who has the face, lips and creepy demeaner--who could be funny and terrifying is... Willem DeFoe. I know, Spiderman, Shpydermun...but he has the face for it. AND the only mask he would need is some white pancake make-up.

  • June 15, 2005, 12:45 a.m. CST


    by trekker rc

    Personally, I agree the sequels will be better without him, but if you had to have Robin cast, how about Elijah Wood?

  • June 15, 2005, 1:51 a.m. CST

    Just saw the 12:00 showing

    by Krigan

    *light spoilers* It was hands down the best live action Batman in my book. Not perfect but still very good. The fast cuts worked fine when batman was playing the part of the boogey man to lesser criminals but it did bother me when he is fighting ra's al ghul and his henchmen. Also I felt the quality of the film dropped a notch when Ra's showed up in gotham. It was still good it just felt like they were saying OK we made our great film now for the next 30 mins we are going to give you the comic book film you were expecting.

  • June 15, 2005, 2:12 a.m. CST

    The human body is 97-98% water.

    by mryuk

    Great Batman movie. Really liked the way Batman is portrayed, I think they got that right. They also got the entire feel of the movie correct. However what they got wrong, you could drive that prowler through. Did no one reading the script have any scientific background? People just don't thrive around powerful microwave fields.

  • June 15, 2005, 2:54 a.m. CST

    Midnight showing: AT LAST!

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    I don't give a shit about the Batman mythos or ANY comic superheroes, but that was an AWESOME movie. This is the real Batman! Moviemack: Not even in the alternate Bowl Dimension are there sufficient bowls of dick for you to eat. I know you're reading this; how does it feel to be a stupid hater? In other news, THE LIGHTSABERS FOR SALE IN THE BANNER ADS ALL LOOK LIKE BIG DILDOS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA STAR WARS IS GHEY

  • June 15, 2005, 2:58 a.m. CST

    Not perfect, but good

    by kafka07

    Just saw the midnight show here in Rhode Island. I'll have to watch it again next week to get a better idea of what I's a good film, not great. Good casting, good story, good dialogue, great setting (Gotham looked great). I had a problem with the editing though, and the action scenes. Yes, some scenes were too "Bourne Supremacy", like you've been hearing. I want to see Batman kick ass, and not all this blurry shit. Nolan, get your shit in gear for the next film. I forgive you this time, but you better improve the action scenes for the sequel. At least they did show Batman as he truly should be: a character who struggles between his desire for justice and revenge; a vigilante who walks a line between crazy and doing the right thing. This Batman was complex, not campy. I thought Liam Neeson stole the show as Ra's; sadly, Gordon was underwritten. I loved the scene when Bruce pretended to be drunk and insulted his party guests in order to save them, lots of complexity and humor there. A flawed film, but I'm glad they are headed in this direction: serious instead of hokey. Even though the story is like a few Batman graphic novels put through a blender, and they made some alterations here & there, they stayed pretty true to the most important characters.

  • June 15, 2005, 3:21 a.m. CST

    Just saw the midnight showing...

    by Jordo

    Man, amazing. It just gets better as it goes along. The Ra's Al Ghul twist made my jaw drop to the floor. Genius. I can't wait for the (hopefully) Joker sequel. The Joker is the one character that needs to be perfectly cast, though. Jack did a fantastic job with it, but this one needs to be a bit more insane. Hopefully the casting will be inspired with him. Man, I'm just buzzing right now.

  • June 15, 2005, 3:51 a.m. CST

    If the toxin was already in the water supply....

    by Praetor

    People would be freaking out every time they boiled a kettle...

  • June 15, 2005, 3:51 a.m. CST


    by LeckoManiac

    Me and my brother saw this movie at the midnight showing on the Navy Pier IMAX and it was such an amazing experience...a great trivia...seriously everyone there ate this movie up...there were upwards to 10 crowd was excellent...this was everything I have ever wanted from a movie...and I loved the Chicago/Gotham...Chicago is the best place on earth and I loved seeing the caped crusader flying through it!!!

  • June 15, 2005, 4:03 a.m. CST

    Jude Law = Joker

    by Duck of Death

    Seriously, look at the guy:

  • June 15, 2005, 4:09 a.m. CST

    Joker = Jude Law

    by Duck of Death

    Look at Jude Law in the above link, then at this Joker pic: They even have the same hairline fer pete's sake!

  • June 15, 2005, 4:44 a.m. CST

    Which was worse-Punisher or Daredevil?

    by Trevor Goodchild

  • June 15, 2005, 4:55 a.m. CST

    Just got back from the theater.

    by Breotan

    This movie is not about a hero or even about a villian. This movie is not about camp or gimmics or even effects as the others were. This movie is everything the others were not. This movie is about hope. They did it right this time. Give this movie your business and perhaps they will do it right next time as well.

  • June 15, 2005, 5:15 a.m. CST

    SERENITY: Will it be the biggest grossing movie of all time?

    by Daddy Tones

    I think it will. FIREFLY is better than Batman.

  • June 15, 2005, 5:17 a.m. CST

    Her Inbloom if you didn't post it yet I would love to hear y

    by Rogue_Leader

    I had this same idea myself but could never figure out exactly why.

  • June 15, 2005, 5:23 a.m. CST

    Didn't you get the memo? Batman has been reborn

    by xeeds

  • June 15, 2005, 5:30 a.m. CST

    Didn't you get the memo? Batman has been reborn

    by xeeds

    Whoops, slipped and accidentally hit the enter button on that last one. I'm sorry, but all the nitpickers and naysayers need to get a life. I'll concede that the action scenes were filmed too tight, but aside from that if you look at all that works in this film, it just stupid to bitch about the other stuff. Given the state of Hollywood, I don't think we could have hoped for a Batman, and I can't wait to see how it holds up against many repeat viewings. As a long time fan of the band James (famous for the song Laid from 1994 and used int he American Pie trailers of recent years) I was delighted to see lead singer Tim Booth as Victor Szaz, I've met the man and never would have imagined him ever looking so menacing.

  • June 15, 2005, 6:06 a.m. CST

    Katie Hudson's character should have been....

    by Human Tornado

    ... replaced by Harvey Dent. Long time friends working together, then falling apart.

  • June 15, 2005, 6:12 a.m. CST

    Tim Booth as Victor Zsasz

    by xeeds

    Looks like Mr. Zsasz has already been pretty busy too, he had a lot of notches on his neck. I hope he doesn't get the Billy Dee Williams treatment if the powers that be decide to give the villian more screen time in future films.

  • June 15, 2005, 6:16 a.m. CST

    Jude Law is obviously the only choice for the Riddler...

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    and FUCK, after meeting Bruce Campbell, and watching the most awesome Batman Begins, this has been the greatest day ever. I'm still worried about Goyer though, in subsequent films... He's clearly an idiot.

  • June 15, 2005, 6:39 a.m. CST

    Holy Bat Villains!!!!!

    by Samson_K

    I am looking forward to this movie - hopefully seeing it at the weekend - and I am looking to see a Batman movie as we haven't had one yet. Anyhoo - I would love to see Ray Liotta as the Joker! I honestly think that he might be a little chunky for the part but that didn't harm Nicholson but he has a genuine hint of madness around him and could be incredibly funny whilst be ball shrinkingly scary! Mind you I thought that Jeff Goldblum should have been the Riddler so what the hell do I know! Also Matt Lucas from Little Britain as the Penguin and David Walliams for The Riddler!!! Ooops Brainfart!

  • June 15, 2005, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Get real now!

    by Packin_Beef

    Visit me at my website. Signed, The real Batman

  • June 15, 2005, 10:10 a.m. CST

    It was good, but kind of disappointing

    by abcdefz1

    No spoilers here; a lot of folks have already mentioned the problems: a grandiose final act which felt out of step (but done pretty well, for all that) really hurt, along with some clunky dialogue. For instance, the scene in which Wayne and Falcone meet. Falcone admonishes Wayne how everyone knows who he is, because he inspires fear, and you always fear what you don't know. Eh? Nevertheless, it's definitely the best version of the Batman character on film, and the best Batman film by a couple yards, but it really touched greatness often enough that overall, it only very good instead of terrific. 7 out of 10.

  • June 15, 2005, 11:26 a.m. CST


    by Thalya

    so moviemack finally posts. Blah blah blah. So who wants to talk about how there's a big gaping hole waiting for Harvey Dent given that Katie Holmes' boss got offed?

  • June 15, 2005, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Casting Sequels

    by joshintransition

    So after a couple hours worth of freaking out over how great Batman Begins was, my friends and I decided to cast all of the villains for the sequels. I think we did a good job; if any roles are cast differently, I'd be disappointed: 1----JOKER---Crispin Glover (obviously); 2----TWO-FACE---Liev Schriber (again, obviously)---; 3---CAT-WOMAN---Parker Posey; 4---PENGUIN---Kevin Spacey; 5---HARLEY QUINN----Juliette Lewis; 6----POISON IVY---Angelina Jolie (not a personal favorite, but has that nice dark and seductive quality); 7----RIDDLER---Edward Norton or Jude Law; 8---ROBIN---Giovani Ribisi; 9---MAD HATTER---Hugo Weaving---- I think we may have come up with more, but that's all I could remember right now. Going to see BB again tonight.

  • June 15, 2005, 12:22 p.m. CST


    by robotdevil

    The beginning of the movie, seeing him get trained and armed is great, (but too fast). The rest of the movie, which revolves around a pretty lame team-up between Scarecrow and Ras, feels like it was a shot froma script written for the older Batman movie series (too many villians, a pointless love interst who learns his identity). The action sequences are very well done, but often too long. In short,definitely the best Batman since Tim Burton's original, but not quite everything I wanted it to be based on the reviews I've read on AICN... After seeing it, I only have one question... WHY THE HELL DIDN'T THEY JUST FILM "YEAR 1"???

  • June 15, 2005, 12:27 p.m. CST


    by robotdevil

    Everyone warning you against seeing it on IMAX is right!!! It looked awful and my neck still hurts from craning back to try and figure out what I was looking at (and I was in the LAST ROW!!!!).

  • June 15, 2005, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Ambitious Failure

    by Ultraman2000

    The film is the cinematic equivalent of F. Scott Fitzgerald's "Tender is the Night," a sprawling wreck of a story sustained by style alone. Nolan gets the tone and atmospherics right. His take on the Batman mythos is intriguing, if a bit mystifying. (The logic behind Wayne joining the criminal underworld--without, of course, becoming a 'real' criminal--for the occasional thrill of banging on convicts eludes me.) And the depiction of Gotham as a Blade Runner-like milieu of detritus and corruption is compelling. It gives both Batman and Gordon stronger motives than we've seen in previous films. But from the get-go, the film careens from one sub-plot to another with only the repetitive and vacuous fear motif to hold it together. It's a two-and-a-half hour story told in 75 two-minute segments (counting the rapid-edit action sequences just one time each). There's no appreciable momentum and the climax is grossly underwhelming. The poor pacing isn't helped by endless speechifying. Dear God, every character is a fount of inane fortune cookie wisdom--even Katie Holme's lame Asst. DA character: "It isn't what you are underneath, it's what you do that defines who you are." Huh? The saving grace here is that the Batman comes across as a real menace--something the other films never achieved--and it sets the stage for what will hopefully be a tighter, more engaging sequel.

  • June 15, 2005, 1:17 p.m. CST


    by robotdevil

    This scene where he brings Katie Holmes to the Batcave to give her the antidote to a deadly toxin produced by one his enemies... Did they lift that scene right out of Tim Burton's original script... I almost expected Batman to say "Here's the cure to the Joker's Smilex... I mean, the Scarecrow's fear gas."

  • June 15, 2005, 1:21 p.m. CST


    by jonastheangel

    and now that you guys have seen it some of you are shouting 'this is supposed to realistic". have you run out of things that you can actually complain about? they wanted a realistic approach to a costumed superhero. a guy that dresses up in a bat costume and fights crime. i can respect the guys that actually complain about things they dont like in the film, but the ones that are now complaining about the level of realism, shut the fuck up. youre just pissed because the movie is actually good, and youre just a dumbass fucking fan boy that wants to see batman in tights playing around at being a mysterious dark knight with pants-less boy wonder named dick.

  • June 15, 2005, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Brand new Bats, but some same old tricks (SPOILER)...

    by blindambition238

    (Spoiler)...Generally Begins is a great movie that resets the franchise and gives great hope for the future of the dark knight on film, but the film lacked that feeling of awe that I got when I saw Spider-Man 2; this ismainly due to the fact that there were many things in here that felt old and used, such as the cheap one liners (the memo and Falling bits), the obligatory and in this case fizzled romantic story arc, the obligatory secret identity reveal to the gal pal, wayne manor geting trashed, police trying to take bats down... of course these are fanboy nitpicks and generally dont ruin the movie. Anyways I suppose since they are starting a new series that stuff technically shouldn't be an issue since batman should get at least to do some of that stuff at least once. I'll wait for the joker to come in for the sequel and hopefully Nolan and co will use that to mix things up and have some fun and originality like Raimi did when he got to working on the Spidey sequels.

  • June 15, 2005, 2:28 p.m. CST

    I've never left a theater so satisfied.

    by PMK

    And all I had was a bag of Reecie's Pieces. The movie was masteful. It hit all the right spots. It even made cute lines (like the newspaper headline claiming Bruce burnt his own home down) work.

  • June 15, 2005, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Great Movie

    by antonphd

    I can't see how anyone can seriously complain about this movie. The only way to not enjoy this movie is to be someone who isn't interested in Batman to begin with or is someone who is too interested in Batman to begin with. Any normal person would really like this movie. ... It's funny to me, how there are still those immature dickheads who sit in the midnight prescreening show and complain about the movie and don't have a clue how stupid they sound for even having any seriously thoughtout opinions of a Batman movie. It's a kiddie movie and they are talking about it like it's actually important beyond being fun. I laugh because it's sad to see a grown up pick apart of movie. It's like being in the room with a group of mentally handicaped people and listening to them talk about how frustrating it is to have to be patient around stupid people. I worked at a movie theater during college and I actually had this happen in the lobby while the people were waiting for their ride to show up.

  • June 15, 2005, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Great, great movie

    by zikade zarathos

    I know I liked a movie when, after seeing it and I immediately check reviews, I get actually MAD at reviews that endlessly nitpick (CHUD's, mostly) and miss the bigger picture. I loved how it was such a slow burn till we finally get to see Batman. I loved how, the first night he goes out, he's just dressed like a ninja -- and MAKES MISTAKES. I loved how he looks just like a guy in a suit, vulnerable. He's the only hero I've completely, totally bought being in our world, and that's a testament to how Nolan shot it. The fight scenes could have been better, yeah, but when I heard the early grumbling about them, I expected much, much worse than what I got. Anyways, great movie. GO SEE IT!

  • June 15, 2005, 2:54 p.m. CST

    by joshintransition

    Moviemack's last post irritated me. I'm not one of his haters, but I think he went too far with his criticism of this flick just to maintain his reputation as a hard ass cineophile. His sentiments are the same as every other critic who chooses for whatever reason to lay into Batman Begins. They hate everything about the movie that is most like its comic origins. The train, the fight scenes, the one-liners--they exist in the comics, and they have to exist in order for a comic movie to work. It's the rules of the genre; they're always going to be there. Nolan, like Raimi (who, I think, made two fun but ultimately forgettable films so far with Spider-Man), has made a film that builds off its comic origins and becomes something more. I can't say that about any of the other comic movies that have come out, save "Ghost World" and "Sin City". Nolan got everything right--all of the details click together, and when you think about it, "The Long Halloween" works as a perfect storyline for the next two films. The tight editing on the fight scenes are purposeful--Batman is a shadow but he's also a man. He's not going to be hurling guys through walls like the Hulk or Supes or Spidey. Push the camera back, and you see the minimalistic fighting in a harsher angle. Batman is about desperation; he's not physically powerful enough to warrant being a superhero, but his reliance on weaponry allows him to compete. Yes, he can fight, but he's fighting in more of a tackle style that is about knocking out his opponents quickly rather than artistically. Nolan did a damn fine job of emphasizing that, and I can't wait to see Bats take on the Joker.

  • June 15, 2005, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Saw it, Loved it...

    by Otter

    With the exception of a couple of detractions to the Batman mythos, I really enjoyed it. Everyone did a great job, and the script was very enjoyable.

  • June 15, 2005, 3:41 p.m. CST


    by GiftedInThePants

    shut the fuck up troll. TROLL. TROLL. GO BACK TO YOUR CAVE. People don't feed moviemack. he's a fat fuck anyway, and you're not supposed to feed the trolls. He's a fatty fat fatty.

  • June 15, 2005, 3:43 p.m. CST

    hope serenity blows

    by calcifer

    joss whedon fucking sucks, why dont u guys pull his dick out of your mouths for 5 seconds and watching the serenity trailer... its like some of you have never seen a buffy episode....on the other hand saw BB yesterday and i must say it was awesome... had its flaws( bales raspy voice, and the whole our bodies are made of mostly water and things of that nature) but a awesome movie nonetheless

  • June 15, 2005, 3:44 p.m. CST

    My BATMAN BEGINS review

    by Nachokoolaid

    Just so you know where I'm coming from... Batman 89 - 8.5/10 Batman Returns - 8/10 Batman Forever - 7.5/10 Batman & Robin - 4/10 BATMAN BEGINS 10/10 Ok, I'm not one to give out a ten to any old movie. But this was great. The best Batman film? YES. The best comic book film? YES. The best film ever? Not quite. There were a couple of things that held this back, like Katie Holmes. She just seemed way too young, and her delivery sometimes was off. And some people complained about the fight editing. I noticed this especially at the beginning, in the prison fight. It's never as bad as it is there. But everything else is just so amazing. Bale was perfect. So were the performances, direction, score, cinematograpy. I expected this to be pretty good, but this is number two on my ALL TIME favorite list. You heard me, and it challenges for the # 1 spot. Go see BATMAN BEGINS! It's the best film of the year. In fact, it's easily the best film since 2003. That's just one man's opinion, and after all this praise you probably just think I'm a fanboy, or I give a lot of films too much praise, but no, it really is THAT GOOD. I can't wait for the sequel, although I don't know if it can honestly compete with this. The bar is now set extremely high, not only for comic films, but just movies in general. I was worried about X-men and Marvel competing with this, and now those worries are founded. Jesus would have to come down from heaven and write the script, direct, and the X-men would have to team up with Spider-man or something just to touch this. If you look at my ratings up there, the 10/10 compared to the other Bat-films doesn't do this justice. Because you'd say, well, it's only 2 points higher. Well, if this was onthe same scale as those, it would need a 15/10 or something. God, just know you have to see this. I'm still smiling. Damn that was fun. This is the best film of the year, by far. And I don't expect to see a film that rivals this one for quite some time (the sequel may even have trouble topping this).

  • June 15, 2005, 3:57 p.m. CST


    by antonphd

    Come on, this was a fun movie and you know it. Just reading between the lines of your complaints are proof enough of that. Let go of your hate, let go of your fear, let go of your pride and embrace the light side of the force. Have a good time and stop bothering to worry about whether or not this movie stacks up to your expectation. You're missing out on all of the fun that EVERYONE else is having.(although, I suspect that you aren't really, you are just pretending to) I haven't read a talk back with this watered down of trash talk about a movie... ever... there isn't really any reason to talk shit about this movie. It is a really great movie. It is just about as well done of a movie as it gets. It is well made technically and as art it is a good as it gets. It really is. There is always room to make art better, that doesn't mean that something isn't great, it just means that we are lucky enough that there is always room for art to get better. You have nothing to complain about with this movie and everyone knows it. Jump on the badwagon with everyone else and have a good time!

  • June 15, 2005, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Can we please ban Moviemack?

    by Wookie Wannabe

    Moviemack, if you aren't going to offer the world anything other than intentionally inflammatory posts rife with juvenile humour and animosity, why don't you find somewhere else to play? On an unrelated note, does anyone have a definitive answer to whether or not the IMAX running time is the same as the regular print?

  • June 15, 2005, 4:46 p.m. CST


    by Aves

    You know Moviemack is kind of like an annoying rash. Keep scratching and it'll just keep flaring up and getting more annoying. Ignore it and it'll eventually go away. It's obvious that he hates on everything for attention. He was probably the kid who never had anything but Batman comics to keep him company as a kid. How many "dates" with Catwoman do you think he went on in his bedroom? It not the fact that he seems to hate everything that gets me. It's the fact he has to make sure we all know he hates it. Talk about a cry for help. If we don't respond to his drivel he'll go away. Eventually the same thing will happen to Uwe Boll, I hope.

  • June 15, 2005, 4:53 p.m. CST

    "Smart" kids in the corner...

    by Wookie Wannabe

    Having not yet seen Batman Begins, I would hardly consider it "my" movie and would hardly consider you smart for jumping to that conclusion. The reason I suggested you be banned -- at least temporarily -- from the talkbacks is that you have nothing to offer besides rhetoric. I won&#39;t resort to name-calling, but I think it would be for the best if you contributed something of substance to the discussions. If all you want to do is act like a child, I&#39;m sure there is a playground nearby where you could play with the other "smart kids in the corner". It would be hypocrytical of me to continue, so I won&#39;t.<br> <br> I am going to see Batman Begins on IMAX tomorrow (hopefully, it is the exact same cut as the regular theatrical release) and will weigh in with my thoughts then. Until then, everyone enjoy the movie as best they can.

  • June 15, 2005, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Lazarus Pit ?

    by Xphile69

    this one felt like a True Batman.... Complex analysis of how he came the way he was.... great... Oldman was great....... Scarecrow was the most wicked villian ever! I&#39;ve read Frank Miller&#39;s "Year One" and don&#39;t remember Ra&#39;s al Ghul in that origin story? Plus Ra&#39;s didn&#39;t use his regenerative powers of the Lazarus Pit, to restore his health? Probably in the sequal he can. But those are minor things i was GREAT!! Bale is the new Batman!

  • June 15, 2005, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Really enjoyed it...

    by Mr. Waturi

    Thank you Christopher Nolan. I haven&#39;t gotten that into a movie in a while.


  • June 15, 2005, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Killer movie

    by JediStryker

    Best depiction of Batman on film anywhere. The nods to Batman: Year One were heavy, and I for one appreciated it. Detective Flass, Commissioner Loeb, the bat-attract-thingamajig in his boot heel; it was all fantastic. All the performances were excellent, and it was a genius move to get all these talented and seasoned actors into these roles. The only person who I felt didn&#39;t really pull their weight was Katie Holmes, but I didn&#39;t expect even what we got from her, so oh well. The ending was PERFECT. It was basically the exact ending to Year One, which I appreciated. This franchise has been completely reborn and the evolution of these characters and the city of Gotham has the potential to make a really fantastic series of films. I won&#39;t be sad to see Katie go the way of past Batman leading ladies and disappear from the sequels; I would rather they dispensed with the romantic entanglements anyway. At least, until the next Catwoman comes along.

  • June 15, 2005, 6:18 p.m. CST

    IMAX isn&#39;t the same cut...

    by ZeroCorpse

    I&#39;m told there are two short scenes missing. I just came back from a regular screen viewing, and I enjoyed it. It blows Burton&#39;s self-indulgent crapload away. My only gripe was that there was too much action and not enough detective. It&#39;s a minor gripe, though.

  • June 15, 2005, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Moviemack... Do you EVER like ANY movies?

    by ZeroCorpse

    Seriously, you only ever bitch here. I&#39;m just curious what you&#39;d consider a good movie, seeing as- so far- you think every movie either sucks or is "meh."

  • June 15, 2005, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Saw this today and saw Batman Returns last night

    by Big Bad Clone

    I don&#39;t know why I liked Batman Returns so much because Begins kicks it&#39;s ass in 30 different ways.

  • June 15, 2005, 6:56 p.m. CST

    OK, Nachokoolaid

    by one9deuce

    What IS your number 1 of all-time?

  • June 15, 2005, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Return of the Mack

    by MasterWhedon

    Hey, &#39;mack, glad to see you got around to posting your review. I think, as usual, you&#39;re being a little too harsh in your criticisms, but I don&#39;t have much time to go in depth now. I&#39;ll check back in tomorrow and maybe go point-for-point on some of your arguments.

  • June 15, 2005, 7:05 p.m. CST

    I am going out on a limb here...

    by Gunschlinger

    but I am going to guess the Joker is played by a Brit or someone from a Commonwealth nation. Sorry Crispin Glover shills.

  • June 15, 2005, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Moviemack Posting Review

    by Taylor Made

    Hmm, since I&#39;m new to this talkback I wasn&#39;t so sure who this moviemack was until he had to post those comments. I can see why everybody hates him so much and now I have jumped on the bandwagon as a Moviemack hater. Let&#39;s see, you have posted more about hating others than what the actual talkback is about. I&#39;m not going to say how many since your probably not educated enough to count past your masturbation callous-filled right hand. And I bet you were picked on in high school too, therefore you have developed little-man hs syndrome. You know now that I think about it, I feel more sorry for ya than anything else. We probably didn&#39;t hear from you for a while since you were too busy either watching lots of porn or your parents reduced your Internet time b/c you didn&#39;t take out the trash, due to watching too much porn again, so let me guess, your probably in your late 20&#39;s and still living with mommy and daddy. You know I&#39;m not usually a hater but I make exceptions to uneducated, wal-mart working, monkey spanking, immature cynical morons that get off from midget porn and these talkbacks. I give Moviemack a 5 out of 5 dick rating, does everybody agree?

  • June 15, 2005, 7:21 p.m. CST

    BB Review

    by Taylor Made

    I just saw it this afternoon. Other than the power going out twice I thought it was awesome and it is a tie between Cinderalla Man and BB as the best movies I have seen in &#39;05. I can&#39;t wait to see it again, I do agree on the close-up shots of the fighting, after Equilibrium we should have seen some bad-@$$ fights but oh well, cant be perfect.

  • June 15, 2005, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Tom Kenny...

    by thecomedian

    Somebody posted his as a joke a few weeks ago. But you know what, Tom Kenny(the voice of Sponge Bob) would actually kick ten different kinds of ass as the Joker. Because he&#39;s "unknown" but since he&#39;s Sponge Bob he&#39;s totally not. Plus if you ever see him watch the Spongebob Marathons as the pirate guy, there&#39;s is an actual creepiness to him. If they did the Killing Joke origin of the menschy failed comedian who get&#39;s reborn as the hysterical embodiment of grinning, creeping death then Tom Kenny would be perfect for it. They don&#39;t need a "name" for the Joker. That&#39;s what ruined Nicholson&#39;s performance. They need to cast the Joker the same way they casted, Superman and Wolverine. They need someone who can be creepy and funny and only bee seen as the Joker. Not Adam Sandler or Johnny Knoxville in Joker Make Up. I&#39;m a huge Doctor Who fan and Christopher Eccleston is great EXCEPT for when he&#39;s mugging all over the place so his Joker would just be more of the same. No thanks.

  • June 15, 2005, 8:37 p.m. CST

    I still say Vincent Gallo as the joker.

    by Mr. Waturi

    Crispin Glover would belong in the Tim Burton version. Just compare their eyes and tell me which one you think is crazier.

  • June 15, 2005, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Batman Begins is equal in greatness to Spiderman 2, but it carri


    Keaton, Kilmer, Clooney, Adam West still has a place in my heart, but Baile is the F%&^#@ing bomb. That Batmobile was the best thing since the Millenium Falcon. The only perk with the entire film was the fact that their could have been something similar to KILL BILL like the Bride fighting the Crazy 88s only Batman taking on an entire army of ninjas.

  • June 15, 2005, 9 p.m. CST

    I&#39;m joining the "7/10" camp

    by BillEmic

    I thought the first half of the movie was fantastic - dark, melancholy, intimate, and personal. Bruce Wayne&#39;s quest for meaning in life was brilliantly played out. The movie seemed to suddenly lose focus as soon as Bruce put on the suit. Am I the only one who thinks this Bat costume just doesn&#39;t look right?? It&#39;s mostly the mask never looks good. I can see why they filmed most of it in shadow. Also, did we really need a terrorist plot to destroy ALL of Gotham City? This *never* happens in the comic one ever threatens to destroy the entire city...Batman is about small scale threats, not WMDs. Sam Raimi had the right approach with the first Spider-Man: keep the conflicts personal and intimate. David Goyer may be Hollywood&#39;s number one fanboy but he&#39;s got a way to go before he really understands Batman&#39;s character. As far as I&#39;m concerned, he dropped the ball with that clunky third act. And don&#39;t get me started on some of his lame one-liners...that scene where Batman cracks his head against Falcone was great until they completely RUINED it with "Nice coat". What the fuck?! I swear, some moments in this film seem ghost directed by Schumacher. You can&#39;t deny it.

  • June 15, 2005, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Batman "Begins is equal in greatness to Spiderman 2"?

    by BurnHollywood

    Oh mean Katie Holmes pussy-whips the crap out of Bruce Wayne and there&#39;s only two decent fight scenes in the whole movie? And some irritating Asian chick playing the old TV show theme song on a violin, not once but twice? And a godawful scene where a guy makes a mini-sun in his living room? And Bruce Wayne being a total dork and working a dead-end job instead of sending Gotham City a bill for services rendered? THAT great?

  • June 15, 2005, 9:22 p.m. CST

    New Joker

    by Resident_Nemesis

    Two words for you: Will Arnett. Gob in "Arrested Development". He&#39;d be perfect! Another plus is he&#39;s not a big name, so he wouldn&#39;t take the attention away like Jim Carrey did.

  • June 15, 2005, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Discuss the sequel...

    by Nachokoolaid

    Katie&#39;s boss got offed, so in comes Harvey Dent. Nice. But I think (hope, actually) that Joker kills Katie fairly early in this in order to build our hate of him and to make his threat more serious. Plus, that leaves the door open for Talia to step in and be a nuisance/interesting love interest. ___________And Christopher Eccleston is PERFECT for the Joker. No one else even comes close, by far. And one9deuce, this is challenging for my #1 film. Currently, I like the LOTR films, as a whole. But if I put BB against any of them separately, I think I&#39;d choose Batman. I need to see it again though to know for sure. _______But to reiterate, Christopher Eccleston for the JOKER!

  • June 15, 2005, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Dave Chappelle as The Joker...

    by BurnHollywood

    That&#39;s what I call a twist, baby!

  • June 15, 2005, 9:44 p.m. CST


    by RicCage

    Better than SPIDERMAN 2 XMEN 2 BATMAN 1 - 4 basically any Superhero film out to date. I may be a little biased because I am possibly the biggest Batman fan in the world though... it&#39;s a BATMAN fan&#39;s dream come true. It really really is. Well done! Really really well done. I&#39;m still shaking

  • June 15, 2005, 9:51 p.m. CST

    New Joker

    by Resident_Nemesis

    Two words for you: Will Arnett. Gob in "Arrested Development". He&#39;d be perfect! Another plus is he&#39;s not a big name, so he wouldn&#39;t take the attention away like Jim Carrey did.

  • June 15, 2005, 10:10 p.m. CST

    The training scenes should have been in star wars.

    by TheDoctor73

    These were the training scenes that should have been between Qui-Gon and Anakin, Obi-Wan and Anakin, and Sidious and Anakin. Imaging a training scene between Sidious and Anakin where Sidious teaches Anakin to use his Anger, Fear, and Agression. Sidious would have owned Anakin. BEST BATMAN MOVIE EVER!!!! (Best Superhero Movie Ever? - Jury is still out)

  • June 15, 2005, 10:13 p.m. CST

    This movie was brilliant.

    by dirkcalloway

    Absolutly brilliant. It ranks up there with Donner&#39;s Superman:The Movie above both Spiderman and X-Men movies, which I loved. I can&#39;t see any real faults with this movie. Ok, some of the editing wasn&#39;t the greatest but give me a break. This movie was soooo good. The last five minuted, I almost creamed my pants when Gordon gave that speech and hamded Bats the Joker card. The cast was fantastic, everyone of them. What an awesome movie, I can&#39;t wait to see it again, and I really can&#39;t wait until the next one. They need to sign up Nolan ASAP and nail the casting of Joker.

  • June 15, 2005, 10:16 p.m. CST


    by dirkcalloway

    First of all, if they cast Adam Sandler as the Joker, I will flip the fuck out...I&#39;m talking Falling Down Michael Douglas type shit. I&#39;ll just lose it. Robin William!?!?! No!!!!!! Jim Carrey!?!?!?! No freakin way!!! Adrian Brody maybe, Crispin Glover, maybe. I never saw the guy from Dr. Who so I can&#39;t comment about him. I&#39;d love to see Guy Pearce or Ed Norton as Harvey/Two-Face.

  • June 15, 2005, 10:30 p.m. CST

    joshintransition . . .

    by Resident_Nemesis

    "my friends and I decided to cast all of the villains for the sequels. . . . 8---ROBIN---Giovani Ribisi;" You didn&#39;t really mean Robin as a villain, right? That would be awesome though. Oh yeah, sorry about the double post up there.

  • June 15, 2005, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Just Got Back From Seeing It

    by peytonallen

    My ass is kicked. I didn&#39;t know what to expect. The trailers had me excited, but this movie owned me. Nitpicks? Sure. With just about any film, sans the classics you&#39;d find them. The fight scenes were typical Hollywood editing, but that&#39;s okay. But, to me the only real misstep was the parents murder. Too soft. The dad needed to be brutally murdered, and be shown begging for his life. Dad Wayne needed to show fear. That was the only moment were I cringed like, "Wish they could reshoot that tomorrow." But to me, that was the only misstep. What a movie. Tim Burton has a new daddy, and his name is Chris Nolan. Best comic movie? For me it&#39;s always been Superman 2. I think it still might be, but i&#39;ll let you know after 2-3 more viewings. This one will be close. As far as the story. Made sense to me. I don&#39;t understand the bitching here. Qui-Gon coming back sadly wasn&#39;t a mistake because I spoiled myself partly on the net, but I felt it played well. They set up througout, the worst is yet to come. Sure you could&#39;ve taken out Scarecrow and just had Year One. Let the villians be the corupt cops and mafia, but what this storyline did was really get across that the criminals of Gotham fear Batman. That he&#39;s someone to be feared. The Bat&#39;s appearance when Murphy was drugged was AWESOME. The supervillian storyline sold Batman&#39;s character in a way we&#39;ve never seen it done in film before. As Harry&#39;s review said (i think) the villians picked off like they were a horror movie was too sweet. Moviemack&#39;s right in the sense that a better version could be made. A changer here, a change there. I don&#39;t think this film is Raiders Of the Lost Ark great, but for my money, it&#39;s pretty damn great. Maybe *the* version of Batman, or Spiderman, or Superman, or the Wondertwins will never be made. Maybe they can&#39;t. All I know is, this one was close. I loved it. I remember recently seeing Sideways in the theater and feeling like I wanted to turn right around and see it again. Would have loved to have done that here. It&#39;s that good to me. Final point, the bit about esculation was perfect. Batman saves the city, saves mankind. Okay, who can honestly challenge him after this? Great point to imply the villians will get better, smarter, tougher. That Gothman maybe, is even worse off. Really smart scene. Bring on the Joker. Wo plays him? Crispin would be interesting, but just get freaking Johnny Depp. Johnny Depp as the Joker. Good lord.

  • June 15, 2005, 10:42 p.m. CST


    by Fish Tank

    So - Doc Oc gets new robot arms. Does that give him super invulnerability? Spidey punched and kicked him about 60 times, and a) the guy&#39;s glasses stay on (so they can do convincing CGI) b) his face never bruises and c) his head stays on his body. WTF? Spidey can punch through brick walls, and Oc is still standing? It&#39;s one thing to have the arms deflect every punch (which I&#39;d buy), but that was just an incredibly moronic oversite.

  • June 15, 2005, 10:48 p.m. CST

    loved it

    by Cerebud

    just wanted to add my vote

  • June 15, 2005, 11:19 p.m. CST

    The Worst Type of Movie

    by Thunderballs

  • June 15, 2005, 11:26 p.m. CST



    Doc Oc was potrayed beautifully, if not ferociously in this film. That entire scene in the operating room was an awesome introduction to a historic villian. The internal conflict within Peter Parker and his inability to become more involved in Mary Jane&#39;s life was the best chemistry seen on film between a Superhero and his love interest.

  • June 15, 2005, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Introducing...the JOKER.

    by Nachokoolaid

    Once again, Christopher Eccleston for the JOKER! Don&#39;t beleive me? Check out these two links (if you haven&#39;t seen him). _______

  • June 15, 2005, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Regarding Moviemack

    by HattoriGonzo

    If he thought this movie was a trite little diversion, I would be curious to know what this self-important prick would classify as the top 10 movies he&#39;s seen. As a Batman fan for pretty near all of my 30 years, this was the movie I was waiting to see. Nolan nailed it, and as someone stated earlier, I have never left a movie so satisfied. As far as Moviemack hanging in the corner with the smart kids? We wouldn&#39;t have him...

  • June 15, 2005, 11:38 p.m. CST

    The Worst Type of Movie

    by Thunderballs

    Batman Begins is that awful breed of film, the one that is neither great nor terrible, just "meh." The training stuff was alright, but Batman is more than a warrior, he is a detective as well, and it is his intelligence that is most scary. They completely dropped the ball on him being a detective and the smartest motherfucker in the room. He has to depend on Lucius Fox for the antidote??? IN WHAT UNIVERSE??? THIS IS FUCKING BATMAN WE&#39;RE TALKING ABOUT HERE!! YOU KNOW, THE GUY WHO HAS A PLAN TO TAKE DOWN EVERY MEMBER OF THE JUSTICE LEAGUE!!! The shot of Bats standing on that spire was awesome, anytime he was crouching somewhere was awesome. But so what? Anyone can do that iconic shit. And what is up with that cowl? I thought Bale looked awful as Batman, he looked fat, sometimes he had a double chin because the face opening was so tight, and he was constantly sweating, even when doing nothing. And that was the main problem with the film, I just did not buy Bale as Batman, at all. He seemed like a douchebag, and did not seem very intelligent, or dark, or withdrawn. He smiled too much. The movie spends a lot of time talking about this or that, but still felt slapdash for some reason. He becomes Bats too fast, and is too accepted by Gotham too quickly. Gordon accepts him way too quickly, and there is nary a hint that Gordon thinks Batman is fucked up at all. Batman flying is the dumbest thing ever. Gliding down somewhere, ok, but just flying and flying and flying? Gimme a break. And don&#39;t even get me started on the lame action, Gordon&#39;s and Alfred&#39;s dopey one liners, Holmes&#39; awful acting, or Falcone. Bottom line, Batman seemed out of place in the movie, and the movie really degenerated once he became Batman, which is ridiculous, since he is the star. I will admit the Joker thing at the end gave me chills, but if they don&#39;t change the suit, change the director, and change the writer, the second one will be a mediocre film as well, which is a shame. Bale could be good if they wrote the character correctly. He was adequate as Wayne, but really dopey as Batman, mainly cause of the suit and being poorly written. Batman is a detective, he is the smartest guy on Earth almost, SHOW IT!!! And if you&#39;re not going to show it at least show him being more vulnerable and getting his ass kicked in true Year 1 fashion. When Scarecrow got the drop on him that was awesome, unfortunately the movie just dropped the ball with it&#39;s lame plot and underdeveloped/wrongly developed characters. Scarecrow is NOT A HENCHMAN!!! I can&#39;t believe the gushing for this film, but whatever, must be the same fools who thought EPIII was good. The only good film this summer has been Hitchhiker&#39;s Guide, so of course there is no review by Harry.

  • June 15, 2005, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Saw it today and I&#39;m humbled. BELIEVE the Hype.

    by cherrycola

    You assholes that will put it down have no sense of movie making and therefore should not be allowed near a theatre. That is, untill a sequel to "freddy got fingered" comes out. It was an amazing film and full of suspense and human emotions. Katie holmes was very watchable and oldman came *this close* to stealing the movie whenever he was on screen. Yes, the movie tends to feel a bit long thru the middle however its understandable considering this is the "beginning" of a mans second life, his new alter ego and how it came to be. No suit nipples, no mr. freeze, no robin, no fucking bane, no overacting by jim carrey, no day glo environments. Gotham city looked like no other city and had a life of its own. Jonathan crane was a complete nut and cillian pulled it off nicely. Liam neeson was so.....freaking awesome its no wonder they keep casting him in big event movies such as this. Morgan freeman becomes such a crucial character that by the end of the film people were actually *applauding* and cheering when he said that "oh, you didnt get the memo" line. Priceless. Batman kicked ass and took names. He appreared in light and shadow so you could get a good look at him. The tumbler was put to good use and you can SEE what its capable of. And it had an ending that didnt feel rushed and capped everything off and left you with something to go on ( a sequel!) A true movie magic experience. Everyone HAS to see this. Its made me a believer in motion picture as an art form. A+

  • June 15, 2005, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Re: SpongeBob as Joker

    by SmarkJobber

    Tom Kenny already played a maniacal clown villain in "Shakes the Clown." Yeah, that Bobcat Goldthwait thing. Kenny is pretty much the only reason to endure that movie. Personally, I&#39;d still like to see Paul Bettany as Joker, if WB is going for a semi-"name." I have no desire to see Bale act against Crispin Glover.

  • June 15, 2005, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Finally saw this tonight...

    by Childe Roland

    ... and I can honestly say I am surprised by how much I liked this movie. I went in with pretty carefully qualified expectations. I had heard that the romance and, specifically, Katie Holmes&#39; character, were distracting and a poor fit for the overall story. Not at all. In fact, she was a minimal presence in the movie and pretty good when she was on screen (not completely believable in terms of how old she would&#39;ve had to be to be an assistant DA, but that&#39;s a nitpick). What really surprised me was that I enjoyed the first part of the movie, before Bale ever even puts on the batsuit, more than the last half (which I also enjoyed, just not quite as much). It was well written and engrossing simply as a movie. The characters would&#39;ve been appealing regardless of what their names were. The fact that the Wayne-specific elements of the story were also respectful of the source material was gravy. Specific highlights? The villains. Both Liam Neeson and the guy who played Scarecrow were great in their roles. Scarecrow was even creepier without his mask. The humor was pretty subtle and appropriate without crossing over into camp. The relationships (including the more hinted at than realized romance) made perfect sense and were believable. Bale&#39;s Bruce Wayne was the best since Keaton (who was a mediocre Batman, but the best Bruce Wayne I&#39;ve ever seen). He really rides the edge of insanity, which is right where this character needs to be. His work in American Psycho was good practice and there are shades of Patrick Bateman here. Oldman&#39;s Jim Gordon was my favorite character hands down. Freeman&#39;s Lucius Fox was good, but it was really Freeman doing what Freeman does best. It&#39;s rare to see Oldman as a good guy and he nails it. Things that weren&#39;t so good? The bat mask. In some scenes it looked great, but in others it looked like it wasn&#39;t sitting right on his head and, particularly, his jaw and neck. And when they show it for prolonged periods, while he&#39;s talking, it starts to look kind of silly. Granted, a pointy-eared bat mask would look kind of silly if the guy wearing it were trying to hold a prolonged conversation with you (yes, even if it were dark blue and cloth instead of black rubber), but when you see how good it can look in certain light from certain angles, you just wonder why they didn&#39;t make a point of always shooting it like that. Bale&#39;s bat whisper was inconsistent as well. There are points where it works and feels like Batman&#39;s voice. There are even points where he&#39;s going over the top where it works even better. But there are other points where the whisper just feels forced and inappropriate. You&#39;ll see what I mean. The fight scenes weren&#39;t choreographed as fight scenes, so I don&#39;tknow what folks are gripping about there. They were clearly going for a hit-and-run kind of edit to imply that the bad guys didn&#39;tknow what hit them and that Batman was using stealth and misdirection to his advantage. It worked very well for me everywhere except during his big fight near the end against the four ninja. Since that was an all-the-cards-on-the-table fight, I would&#39;ve liked to have seen that play out with wider, longer shots. But this didn&#39;t detract from my overall enjoyment of an essentially pretty-darned-good film.

  • June 15, 2005, 11:52 p.m. CST

    *sigh* the reason doc ock is not hurt by spidermans punches....

    by cherrycola

    Apparently peter parker is holding back because he does&#39;nt want to kill the guy. that&#39;s all. I dont think sam raimi could have successfully conveyed that in the film without it sounding "plugged in" for the sake of explaining that particular aspect of the physical mechanics of the characters. Furthermore, the arms stop spidey a majority of the time. AND, sheer anger and hatred in doc ock makes him so angry so that punches dont phase him. Besides, its a fucking comic book movie. Blah.

  • June 15, 2005, 11:54 p.m. CST

    About Lost It

    by Ulkada

    Saw the first showing at 12:01 and about lost it. The place was sold out and everyone there had a blast. When they introduced the calling card at the end everyone went insane and about came out of their seats when they cheered. I really have to take off my hat to Bale, Nolan, and everyone else involved. This is not just a great Batman film but a great film period. The Scarecrow was an amazing villian, one that you actually feared. Alfred was finally the father-figure he was meant to be. Most importantly, Batman was a complete bad ass. Watching him glide over the streets of Gotham, fight Ra&#39;s in the final battle, and get rid of his guests at his party through being an ass, all the right notes were hit. I can&#39;t wait to go back and see it again.....and the "Serenity" trailer was a great opener to the movie as well.

  • June 15, 2005, 11:56 p.m. CST

    Childe Roland...just read your review.

    by cherrycola

    thanks for actually seeing the film before posting comments. Its so nice to see a review by a person thats seen the film, and not some grubby little troll who obviously has&#39;nt seen it. *looks up at moviemack*

  • June 15, 2005, 11:59 p.m. CST

    The Penguin...

    by Josher703

    I don&#39;t think that they need to do the Penguin because other villains are more important, but if they did-- Paul Giamatti! Long livwe pig vomit, everything hes touched in the last three years has been golden! This is my first post by the way!

  • June 16, 2005, 12:04 a.m. CST

    The Mask...

    by Josher703

    I don&#39;t get all these comments about the mask not fitting Bale&#39;s face well. Have you ever worn a mask, they suck. Halloween every year no matter what mask I wore I would just say "Fuck this" and throw it in some neighbor&#39;s bushes. Masks suck, maybe thats why he&#39;s so angry!

  • June 16, 2005, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Just saw it, B

    by Droogie Alex

    Things were going great untill they took a left turn with the destroy the city stuff. Batman vs. the underworld was great, and I would have been more that happy with that direction, and they just bailed on it, no pun intended. It certainly redeams the franchise, and people will take Batman seriously again. A good effort. I think X-Men 2 is still the best overall superhero film. I don&#39;t know why people say this of Spiderman 2, as it was very uneven, Spidy&#39;s powers were all over the place, and a lot of clunky acting by supporting characters.

  • June 16, 2005, 12:33 a.m. CST


    by antonphd

    I heard all of this talk about how you were going to hate this movie and when you finally spoke up about it, you didn&#39;t seem to hate it at all. In fact, you seemed to like it, except for some nip picks, including it not being amazing enough to cause you to orgasm. You know, I just said what I said because you didn&#39;t seem to feel very strong about your opinion. Most of the time when someone&#39;s opinion of something is not strong, and when there is peer pressure not to like it, being told that it&#39;s &#39;ok&#39; to like it is enough for one to relax and finally enjoy. Do you know what I mean? I know you say that you are with the &#39;smart kids&#39; and I don&#39;t want to make you feel bad, but, there are no elite &#39;smart kids&#39; who have strong enough opinions about movies to comment on a website. There are moderately smart defensive &#39;smart ass&#39; kids who comment on these websites about movies. It&#39;s not that impressive to have an opinion about a movie. It&#39;s cool that you think about stuff and try to be smart, but, the really smart kids are smart enough to know that opinions only matter to people who respect your opinion. I am glad for you that you are trying to be an individual and that you are expressing your opinion even if it is not popular right now. But, don&#39;t forget, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. In my opinion, compared to the mind stagering beauty of the just the trees outside my window, the value of movies is so small that I don&#39;t waste time nit picking something that isn&#39;t much to begin with. To nit pick at Batman Begins is a waste of time and a missed chance to have a good time. And ultimately, nit picking is something only spoiled people do. Spoiled people who commonly mistake being elitist with being elite, or in this case, mistake being spoiled with being too &#39;smart&#39; to enjoy Batman Begins. Anyway, I am tired and I am bunny trailing like crazy here. Just know this. There has never been ONE single &#39;smart&#39; thing that you or anyone else on this site has said that anyone with any maturity didn&#39;t see coming a mile away. You guys aren&#39;t saying anything new and you are championing anything. You&#39;re having fun debating and that&#39;s cool. Sometimes you guys are a little too narrow minded for your own good though. Anyway, it was fun to read your comments. Good luck waiting for your ideal Batman movie.

  • June 16, 2005, 1 a.m. CST

    moviemack is right and everyone else is WRONG!!!

    by cloudrider`

    not about the new batman film perse, but just about films in general. i&#39;ve always been on the side of the mack one by principle. it&#39;s been a year since i posted anything in talkbacks, and i remember talking about this very thing then. but apparently, you can have no shortage of nimrods when it comes to AICN talkbacks. it&#39;s almost like this place is growing them. the mack one is right, in that he is entitled to speak out his thought just like the rest of you. so he doesnt love the film as much as you do. what&#39;s wrong with that? what&#39;s stupider to me is that you guys are so bend on crucifying him just for it. not everyone has to love the same thing, lemmings! so, he hates the film, and every other films you love, so what? are you so insecure in your opinion that you need EVERYONE to love what you love, and that if one other person disagree with you, you need to shut him up??? that is just retardo, man. besides, judging from what i&#39;ve read in the talkbacks here, i&#39;m more inclined to trust moviemack&#39;s taste and standard than the rest of you who seem too easy to love everything. for all i know you guys are the ones responsible for keeping bay, ratner, paul wanker in business. who here watched AvP, and badboysII? raise your hands! no, i&#39;m keeping my hands down.

  • June 16, 2005, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Revenge of the What?

    by VoodooV

    Batman Begins blows Sith right out of the water. Finally a movie that gets everyone off the Lucas bandwagon.

  • June 16, 2005, 2:28 a.m. CST

    Batman &#39;89 was Better and More Detailed

    by Thunderballs

    Never thought I&#39;d say "better and more detailed" about that film, but it was. Begins gets a big "so what" from me. What was the point of this film? We don&#39;t need another origin, just do a dope Batman story that shows him as a detective and as a bad ass fighter. Why is this so hard? Just do the Killing Joke for crying out loud.

  • June 16, 2005, 2:48 a.m. CST


    by antonphd

    "too easy to love everything" This is why people say something back to people like Moviemack; because of comments like this one of yours. You don&#39;t just say that you dislike something, you have to add that people who like it are responsible for &#39;the decline of art&#39;. It&#39;s insulting to be told that just because you like something that someone else doesn&#39;t that you are a bad person. You guys don&#39;t just have opinions. You are elitist and you treat people you disagree with like shit. AND then on top of that you have the audacity to call yourself &#39;crital thinking movie watchers&#39;. I think that it is sad to see you insult people for having a better time than you did at a movie. Why do you guys watch movies like these in the first place when you never like them? You guys are just like the bully jock dickheads in high school who made fun of people who didn&#39;t live up to your standards. Remember why bully jock dickheads do that? Because they are terribly insecure bully jock dickheads. And you guys really think that you are championing the cause for better movies. My hand is up. And what can you say that will make any difference to me about it. Are you going to say that you are better off because you don&#39;t enjoy life as much as me? That seems to be what you argument is. You only like certain movies that reach a certain standard. Um... what planet do you live on? That you even think like that shows how narrow your view of life and how narrow your experience of life is. I can only attribute it to lack of maturity on your part. But, then again, I forget how many younger people write in these talk backs, so, it&#39;s probably to be expected.

  • June 16, 2005, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Ian McDiarmid as The Joker

    by fanb0y

    For the positiviely most inspiredly compelling villain character acting ever, the delicous relish he lends to Palpatine in this scene: "are you going to kill you....I know you would....I can feel your anger..." OH OH OH YES!!! Would be a great new take on the Joker, with all that fiendish cackling and hammy facial expressions. I&#39;d pay multiple viewings just to see anything with Ian McDiarmid. Best character actor, ever. And now for some daydreaming....ANNND DONE. Make it happen studio boys.

  • June 16, 2005, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Top 5 Minor Star Wars Characters

    by fanb0y

    /1./ Imperial DS Officer "TK-421...TK-421..why aren&#39;t you at your post?". /2./ Waitress Droid from Dex&#39;s 50&#39;s Diner "wanna cup of jawa juice?" /3./ Lando&#39;s co-pilot from ROTJ. /4./ Ric "Captain Obvious" Olie from TPM, with such gems as "SHIELD GENERATORS BEEN HIT..powers back, that little droid did it...he bypassed the main power drive!...Coruscant, the entire planet is ONE BIG CITY!" /5./ The Grumpy Mos Eisely Bartender from Cantina Scene ANH "your droids...they&#39;ll have to wait outside...we don&#39;t want them here!".

  • June 16, 2005, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Best Scenes from Revenge of the SIth

    by fanb0y

    1-Anakin and Padme gazing at each other out their windows across coruscant-2-Palpatine and Anakin at the Opera-3-Anakin & Padme&#39;s simaltaneous death/Vader&#39;s birth-4-Palpatine reveals himself as Sidious to Anakin-5-Palpatine kills Mace/Anakin&#39;s turn-6-Order 66 and the Jedi Deaths-7-Anakin Padme breakup and choke scene-8-Anakin Obi-Wan Fight-9-Anakin burning in the lava-10-Artoo oil pissing on the battle droids

  • June 16, 2005, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Best entry level jobs

    by fanb0y

    1-Security Guard-2-Call Center Agent-3-Delivery Driver-4-Mobile Parking Lot Attendant-5-Government Clerk

  • June 16, 2005, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Batman Begins 2?

    by lanternrsx

    Are they in fact going to be making a sequel to this and forgetting the other batman movies ever happened like they are planning with superman returns? If so they need the joker from batman: dead end. What do you think the title of Batman "2" should be?

  • June 16, 2005, 10:38 a.m. CST

    anton, where did you say you earn your phd?

    by cloudrider`

    "your hand is up"? so you liked watching shitty movies and you think i&#39;m arrogant for expecting better quality from the film industry? right. yes, taste varies. there is subjectivity in judging every form of arts, including films. but that subjectivity has to be earned. there is such a thing as an educated and informed movie lover and an ignorant moron. there is such a thing as standard, whether you like it or not. there&#39;s such a thing as shitty movies, you know? so, you&#39;re saying it&#39;s okay to love them. it&#39;s okay as long as you enjoy them. yeah, sure, ignorance is bliss. i&#39;m sure i&#39;ll be a happier person if i laugh at every adam sandler&#39;s movies ever made, and cry while watching armageddon, like harry did. pardon me for disagreeing with you. i&#39;ll go back and hide in the corner now.

  • June 16, 2005, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Holy Crap My Pants

    by mattb127

    I just saw this movie and I still have a boner. Awesome. This is the first movie in a long time that I will see again and again. They nailed it, nailed it, nailed it. Any quibbles I had were studio enforced, such as the Katie Holmes B.S. But they even managed to make that hint at the sacrifice Wayne has to make. What he&#39;s giving up to do this. Oldman was a bit wasted, but I bet there&#39;re scenes that didn&#39;t make it. And--did anyone else see the Penguin in Arkham? Dude, this movie flat-out ruled. It sets the standard. DC may be entering the cinematic golden-age that Marvel has abandoned. Because Fantastic Four is going to BLOW.

  • June 16, 2005, 2:19 p.m. CST

    BEST Mr. Freeze would be...

    by GopherTrace

    Christopher Lloyd, bitches.

  • June 16, 2005, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Holy SHit!!! Christopher Lloyd would be a great villain! But M

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    But that second pic of Christopher Eccleston actually allows me to accept him as the Joker, except for his buck-teeth. But he definitely has the face, eyes, and nose for it.

  • June 16, 2005, 6:38 p.m. CST

    the one thing about the Killing Joke that irks me...

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    is the ending, where the Joker tells Batman the joke, and they laugh their asses off... I always thought that was weird, and a little off character for Batman, especially after what just happened to Barbara and whatnot.

  • June 16, 2005, 10:14 p.m. CST


    by nova90210


  • June 17, 2005, midnight CST

    that kid they showed a glimpse of in gordon&#39;s place...

    by torpor_haze

    was that supposed to be barbara?...because she looks a bit too young at this point

  • June 17, 2005, 1:01 a.m. CST

    not sure

    by blackthought

    that was robin...i hope not.

  • June 17, 2005, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Who should play Joker?

    by naturegoulet

    After having lengthy discussions with friends about this after the movie, we came up with the following criteria for choosing the Joker for Batman II. They are: 1) Must be a recognizable name. Not huge, but recognizable. 2) Mustn&#39;t be more than 10 years older than Christian Bale. 3) Must be able to psychotic, without being over the top 4) Must have acting cred (i.e. Oscar/Golden Globe nominations) 5) Cannot have been in: Spiderman, Superman, Fantastic Four, X-Men, etc. And the winner is: Ed Norton After going the list of criteria not only does he get the check mark in every single category, I believe he is the PERFECT casting choice. Really, his career is basically that of a young Jack Nicholson anyway....other than Christian Slater.

  • June 17, 2005, 2:31 p.m. CST

    batman rules

    by Ceiling

    It has been such a long time since I have been hyped about a movie and not disappointed. I couldn&#39;t handle how long and poor the last SW film was. My god have someone with a human soul write the goddamn script for one of those movies already. I digress. The point is that Batman has brought me back to loving movies again. I like the deviations from the comic book. They aren&#39;t glaring and unless you are a mega fan boy you won&#39;t care. The characters are great. Liam Nieson is incredible. He was everything that Qui&#39;Gon wasn&#39;t as a mentor. Christian Bale was a great bruce and bat, and how much does Michael Cane rule as Alfred. I think it is amazing that Nolan fit so much into this movie and it wasn&#39;t a three hour monster. The arc of this first movie was fast paced and great for a origin. The plot twisted in and out of the whole beginning and really came to a great finale even introducing a certain card toting criminal psycho at the very end. What is great is that many of the characters have a lot of room to grow in the next movies and aren&#39;t tagged into a stereotype immediately that they HAVE to keep up. Gordon will emote more once he becomes more integral in the next movies and Oldman will shine as much as Nieson did as Ra&#39;s. Now as far as the action goes it was actually a relief to me that the editing was so quick in the moment. Many of the scenes made me think of Alien and put the viewer in the middle of the ruckus making it feel more brutal. I don&#39;t need a dance show fight scene all of the time. It was real and gritty and full of force and THAT was a relief from all of the Matrix follow ups that after a few viewings become slow and lose their visceral element. Don&#39;t get me wrong I loved the Matrix and even parts of the later sequels but a break from the typical these days is a breath of freah air and hopefully the big wigs will keep Nolan Happy and keep him on board to finish the triology and give him time to breath. This is a great series that will definitely compete with the mighty Raimi machine in the next few years. Keep Going Chris and give the next film hell. Damn I love this movie. I&#39;ll be spending some green backs to see it in the theater a few more times.

  • June 17, 2005, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Hans Zimmer sucks

    by Bellock

    The movie&#39;s good but not that good. One of the main reason (with a weakly written last act) is the terrible noise produced by the infamous Zimmer. This guy has made so much harm to film music... If "Superman" is a classic it&#39;s partly thaks to John Williams. If the Burton Batmans are classic it&#39;s partly thanks to Danny Elfman. In this film the only lickable theme is obviously due to the brio of James Newton Howard. So please Mr Zimmer, stop harming movies. Go retire and enjoy your dollars.

  • June 17, 2005, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Despite some nitpicks, it really was exceptional, come on... SO

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    Seriously! Laymens don&#39;t know how to nitpick! They should be loving this movie!!! FUCK JOEL SCHUMACHER!!! THAT STUPID BASTARD!!! HE&#39;S TAINTED THE MASSES!!! WHYYYYY???

  • June 18, 2005, 12:41 a.m. CST

    awesome film

    by blackthought

    and if it doesn&#39;t make a killing at the box office, then its sad. in a world where a movie like the pacifier can make 100 plus mil by being crap is a world where schumachers and rothmans exist...oh wait they do...grrrr...

  • June 18, 2005, 12:57 a.m. CST

    you made it this low and...

    by bc1970

    oh my fucking God. That movie. I can tell you, under influence of Bacardi, the movie ruled. When it was over. I wanted to say wow. and my wife had already said it 3 times. Then we came home and watched ALMOST FAMOUS and talked about how great Batman was. It has legs. It rules. Completely. Great day. great time.

  • June 18, 2005, 2:07 p.m. CST

    jus wonderin

    by the joker 445

    i missed the scene with the teddy bears and petrol and where batman gets set on fire, what was all this about

  • June 18, 2005, 7:52 p.m. CST


    by blackthought

    how the hell did you miss that scene? did the theatre you went to pause the film then just skipped over it? fun scene.

  • June 18, 2005, 10:45 p.m. CST

    it&#39;s not doing so well at the box office...

    by torpor_haze

    ...because the movie is not considered "kid friendly"...well at least not as much as the spiderman films are

  • June 19, 2005, 6:18 a.m. CST

    Michael Jackson as the The Joker

    by Flipao

    You know it&#39;d work, they&#39;d save on makeup and he&#39;s due a comeback :P Failing that I&#39;d happily take Adrian Brody | Good film, enjoyable, I loved Cylian Murphy&#39;s character and Michael Caine was woosome too, Neeson and Baile weren&#39;t too shabby either... | I did find the fight scenes messy, edited too quickly and too closely, I understand it is meant to be from the point of view of the criminal, but they might as well have left the screen blank and save us a headache... editing was also too frantic at times, the pace of the final half hour was just insane... and the cuts kept getting shorter and shorter... ew.

  • June 20, 2005, 5:29 p.m. CST

    if they were to cast a Harley Quinn

    by satori

    Shari Moon....without a doubt

  • June 21, 2005, 12:09 p.m. CST

    The only one to play Harley Quinn

    by LordSoth

    Is Hudson Leick. Xena&#39;s Callisto. Not braindead white trash like Brittney Murphy.

  • June 21, 2005, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Actually, I could get down with Sherri Moon

    by LordSoth

    If Hudson&#39;s not available.

  • March 16, 2008, 11:30 p.m. CST

    The Dark Knight in 4 months!

    by thebearovingian

    We are getting closer!

  • April 19, 2008, 6:09 p.m. CST

    The Dark Knight in 3 months!

    by thebearovingian

    We are nearly there!<p>Damn you, Orcus!

  • May 17, 2008, 7:21 p.m. CST

    The Dark Knight in 2 months!

    by thebearovingian

    Roughly.<p>Orcus, I un-damn you. I've been reading too many MCMLXXVI posts.

  • June 18, 2008, 12:22 a.m. CST

    The Dark Knight in 1 month, bitches!

    by thebearovingian

    The Dark Knight owns!!! Yeah. That's right, 3 exclamation marks!!!

  • July 20, 2008, 6:19 a.m. CST

    Dark Knight's out, bitches!

    by iamnicksaicnsn