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The season that’s already given us “Battlestar Galactica,” “Veronica Mars” and “Lost” is giving us one more great new series.

“The Inside” launches 9 p.m. Wednesday on Fox!

Watch, for at least six reasons.

1) Tim Minear is running this show!

When we posted our “New Shows To Watch List” in May 2004, “The Inside” was a total non-starter. The record demonstrates we were more excited about “Dr. Vegas” and “Jack & Bobby.”

Here’s how we described “The Inside” on May 20, shortly after Fox announced it:

A distaff “21 Jump Street” about a 22-year-old federal agent who impersonates a high-school girl as part of an undercover operation. It’s from writer-producers Todd & Glenn Kessler (“Robbery Homicide Division”). It stars Rachel Nichols (“Dumb and Dumberer”), Peter Facinelli (“Fastlane”) and model Willa Holland.

At the end of September, however, something great happened. “The original pilot didn’t wow execs,” reported Daily Variety. Tim Minear, the trade paper explained, would become the series’ new showrunner and create a new pilot.

Who is Tim Minear? Just a TV god, is all! Minear wrote and directed the best episodes of “Angel” series creator Joss Whedon didn’t write and direct. Remember the one that introduced The Groosalugg? The one that saw Team Angel move into Wolfram & Hart’s Los Angeles offices? So fabulous were installents like these that Whedon made Minear his co-showrunner on “Firefly.” So good was Minear’s work on “Firefly” that Fox hired Minear as showrunner on “Wonderfalls,” last season’s best new show.

2) Minear’s “Inside” is a different “Inside” than the one we've heard about.

It was reported in the trade press that Minear was “hired to write a new pilot script while keeping the premise.” The trade press lies, says Minear. “I agreed to do it if they let me dump the premise. ‘The Inside’ is totally retooled. It’s less ‘21 Jump Street’ and more ‘Silence of the Lambs’.”

Gone is the high school and any ongoing undercover operation.

The show is now about Rebecca Locke, a young special agent who joins the FBI’s Violent Crimes Unit (VCU) in Los Angeles. Having graduated from the FBI academy two years ago, she’s already made a name for herself at Homeland Security, where she demonstrated a knack for cracking Queda codes.

The man in charge of L.A.’s VCU, celebrated supervisory special agent Virgil “Web” Webster, recruited Rebecca, and she may be his biggest find yet. Quickly and unassumingly does she demonstrate that she’s better at what she does than the older, more experienced and highly skilled agents Webster recruited before her.

We also learn that a very dark chapter was written into Rebecca’s life long before she began training with the FBI.

“High school angle - DEAD! This is not an undercover show,” emphasizes Minear. “When they asked me to do this I felt there were problems in the DNA.”

Rebecca’s new VCU teammates include irritable ex-marine Danny Coulter, big-brained psychologist Melody Sims, and young family-man Paul Fatorre, who comes to fear that VCU boss Webster could eventually devolve Rebecca into something as dark and hardened as Webster himself.

The old “Inside” concept, Minear says, was “really good for an episode of a show, not a whole series. A procedural needs to be specific but broad at the same time. ‘CSI’: it's specific, they do the science. It's broad: it can be applied to any kind of crime/story.

“You can have an ‘X-Files’ episode about repeating a day, but you don't want to see Mulder doing that every week. Hence the overburdened concept of ‘Tru Calling,’ for instance. Rebecca will go undercover when I need or want her to. Other than that, it's about the triangle of Web, Rebecca and Paul -- Web and Paul both in existential battle for Rebecca's soul.”

“It's ‘Silence Of The Lambs’ by way of ‘L.A. Confidential.’ Paul sees himself as the one thing standing between Rebecca and Web's corrupting influence. It is a battle for her soul. If in fact she has one.”

Though Rebecca is after a serial killer in Minear’s pilot, the series concept doesn’t necessitate a “serial killer of the week.”

“Violent crime, serial killers, rapists, some terrorism, adbudctions/kidnappings, arsonists, bombers,” is how Minear describes Rebecca’s workload. “We go to the sick, twisted and depraved place, but not always serial killers.”

Will there be a “big bad” to haunt “The Inside’s” first season? Or perhaps the entire series?

Minear doesn’t say no. “Was Rebecca's abductor ever caught?” Minear asks rhetorically. “Um, good question. Is Web Jack Crawford [the Scott Glenn mentor character in ‘Silence of the Lambs’] or Hannibal Lector? Another good question.”

So if it’s a totally different show now, why not retire the old title too? Word leaked once upon a time that the series might change its name to “Southland” [media slang for “Greater Los Angeles”], but Minear is doubtful that one will stick.

“Probably not ‘Southland,’ though it was my idea and I like it,” he says. “Seemed James Ellroy-ish to me. Start the show with the sound of a car radio spinning on the dial and ‘today in the Southland...’ kinda thing. But we’re still looking for a title. Something probably procedural-sounding.”

3) Get a gander at Minear’s writing staff!

Those inside “The Inside” now include:

* Jane Espenson! The best and funniest “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” writer not named Joss Whedon! She wrote the one about Xander getting the funny syphilis, the one about Buffy getting the funny telepathy, the one about Xander getting Xeroxed, the one with the Aprilbot, the one that introduced the Buffybot, the one in which Buffy fought the mummy hand, the one in which Giles terrified the Chinese potential with flashcards. Jane Espenson rules.

* David Fury! The author of more produced teleplays set in the Buffiverse than any other writer save Joss Whedon, Fury joined the writing staff at “Lost” for its first season, and promptly wrote most of its best episodes, including the five-star affair in which viewers learned of John Locke’s (now vanquished) disability. David Fury rules.

* Ben Edlund! Edlund created “The Tick”! Edlund wrote for “Firefly.” Edlund wrote the first pee-pee demon episode of “Angel.” Ben Edlund rules.

* Richard Hatem! Screenwriter of “The Mothman Prophecies,” Hatem created ABC’s woefully short-lived supernatural drama “Miracles,” one of the best series of 2003. He also personally scripted its gripping and thought-provoking four-star pilot. Hatem’s brainchild caused legions to scrawl the words “God is nowhere” on paper napkins. Richard Hatem rules.

* Craig Silverstein! Silverstein wrote a whole bunch of “Dead Zone” episodes during its first two seasons. Minear says Silverstein knows what he’s doing.

4) Look at the cast!

* The only holdover from the old “Inside” is its lead actress, the alarmingly cute 25-year-old 5’10” former Guess? model Rachel Nichols. She was going to play faux high-school student Elizabeth Worth in the old “Inside”; now she’s FBI superprofiler Rebecca Locke.

* The big news for “Firefly” fans is “The Inside” reunites Minear with Adam Baldwin, who played violence-prone mercenary Jayne Cobb in the short-lived spaceship series (and in Joss Whedon’s upcoming bigscreen spinoff, “Serenity”). “The Inside” has Baldwin playing Rebecca’s impatient and amusingly rude colleage Danny Love.

* Peter Coyote, last seen playing supervising government operative Dennis Ryland in “The 4400,” plays Rebecca’s dark mentor, Virgil Webster. The more episodes you watch (I’ve seen four now), the more interesting this guy gets. He may be evil. Or psychotic. Or both. Keep your eye on Virgil Webster. He’s one of the key reasons you’re not going to mistake this show for “Law & Order.”

* Katie Finneran, still memorable for her work as Jaye Tyler 's blonde lesbian lawyer sister on "Wonderfalls," plays chain-smoking redhead analyst Melody Sim, Rebecca’s only female teammate.

* Jay Harrington, last seen recurring on the WB’s “Summerland,” plays Paul Ryan, the FBI man trying prevent Webster from driving Rebecca to the dark side.

5) The scripts? They rock. Very hard.

They give us exactly what fans expect from Minear: compelling characters, monstrous twists, rocket pacing and resonant dark humor. Rebecca, especially, is a great central figure, gifted, haunted and driven but also heroic and hugely likeable. The victims are sad. You’ll crave grave punishment for their detestable tormentors. And you will thrill to realize Rebecca has the means to destroy them.

6) There’s “Inside” stuff Herc’s forbidden to discuss.

In an early Minear pilot script, a serial killer leads the FBI to a fictional and abandoned Los Angeles hotel named the Hyperion. Sad to say, the hotel, known to fans of the Buffiverse as the former worldwide headquarters of Angel Investigations, didn’t quite survive to the final shooting script. “But look for a very specific ‘Angel’ reference,” promises Minear.

If you think that particular promise is cool, Minear has privately spoken also of tentative plans you’ll find 1,000 times cooler. Minear, fearful of jinxing, forbids us to say more, but I’m not exaggerating about the “1,000 times” part. Makes me giddy.

What’s that? You didn’t notice the “Angel” reference in the first episode? Respect the spoiler! Tame the invisotext! Who does the security guy work for? Does his patch say … “Wolfram Security”?? (In a later episode, there's a very obvious homage to the best-ever episode of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" - even though Minear never worked on "Buffy." And "Chinatown" fans will appreciate that Webster's VCU is headquarted in the Hollis Mulwray Federal Building.

Fox has ordered 13 hours of Minear’s “The Inside.” They start airing in a few hours.

9 p.m. Wednesday. Fox.

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  • is that '1000 times better' thing related to 'global frequency' in any way? that's all I can come up with.

  • June 8, 2005, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Looks good...

    by maxtrix

    This actually looks interesting... I'll be watching..

  • June 8, 2005, 9 a.m. CST

    Wow, the chick is like a younger, blonder, hotter Frank Black!

    by ProzacMorris

  • June 8, 2005, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Here's one reason not to watch

    by JackDonkey

    1) It's a cop like, don't we have enough cop/lawyer/doctor shows on TV damn. This is coming from me who owns Wonderfalls DVD and Firefly DVD and thinks they're two of the greatest shows ever. The only other DVDs I own are Dead Like me and Kung Fu seasons 1 & 2. That said I'm still gonna watch tonight.

  • June 8, 2005, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Why no quotes from the reviews?

    by somethingreal81

    Oh, right, cause the reviews are almost universally bad. Maybe it's time you stop worshipping at the altar of Whedon & Co., Herc. I mean, did you see Point Pleasant?

  • June 8, 2005, 9:29 a.m. CST

    I liked this idea before...

    by Mooly

    when it was called The Profiler, Nikita, Alias, or that other Profileresque show with the wrinkly dude instead of the blonde chick. We've seen this before and frankly, the "high school" idea may have been crappy but at least it was original. I'll check it out tonight, but frankly I'm not expecting anything more than those other short lived shows offered.

  • June 8, 2005, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Sounds great, hope it works.

    by The Heathen

    Well at least we get 13 hours worth, hopefully a lot more based on the writer, actors, and the premiss. Love the fact that there are going to be subtle references to the Buffyverse. Before anyone bitches about that, they sound like they wouldn't be glaringly obvious, but would be cool for all the hardcore fans. I'm there tonight.

  • June 8, 2005, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Not interested for multiple reasons

    by PVIII

    First off, there are about 20 cop shows on tv right now, and there have been for 20 years. This involves FBI, CSI, NCIS, NYPD, LAPD, Missing Persons Unit, Special Victims Unit, and they're all one big mess of shit right now in my brain. I can't believe Fury, who wrote the best episodes of Lost (Walkabout, Deus Ex Machina), left for this shit. And though I loved Minear's work on Firefly, I don't know if that means it'll cross-over to law enforcement bliss (of which I only count SVU and the Shield...and 24 if that counts). I'm looking forward to Prison Break however, because it looks in some ways unique and fresh, even though Ratner directed the pilot.

  • June 8, 2005, 11 a.m. CST

    The Previews Looks Like Crap

    by jackburton2003

    Seriously. Except for that one scene where that FBI Director/headman/whoever guy says, "I'm glad we can entertain you," this movie looks Godawful. The leading lady looks even more bland and uninteresting than all those other indistinguishable blondes on network TV cop shows at the moment. Hell she even makes that mannequin on "Cold Case" look lively. Seriously guys this is going to get cancelled faster than you can say, "Sh*t, that sucked, where is "24"?"

  • June 8, 2005, 11:11 a.m. CST

    The Previews for it made it seem like ...

    by The Merk

    ...a rehash of the Profiler. Not that there's anything wrong with that...

  • June 8, 2005, 11:13 a.m. CST

    By the way

    by PVIII

    ...'Shindig', by FAR the most atrocious episode of Firefly (basically unwatchable) was written by the revered Ms. Espenson.

  • June 8, 2005, 11:14 a.m. CST

    I'm not sure about Tim Minear

    by The Merk

    His track record is that he's associated with Quality shows that get cancel quite quickly.

  • June 8, 2005, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Crowe on Letterman, Cruise on Leno

    by Creamery Butter

    There's your tv story for tonight!

  • June 8, 2005, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Wolf at the Door

    by PVIII

    I guess it comes down to tastes. I thought the overall production level of the episode was low for starters (the sets, costumes, etc.). I thought the acting of the main "bad-guy" was wooden, and the writing of his character contrived. Finally, the jousting showdown at the end was just plain lame.

  • June 8, 2005, 11:32 a.m. CST

    I am also looking forward to Prison Break

    by JackDonkey

    and Jane Espenson is nothing without Joss Whedon. Can you say Gilmore Girls season 3

  • June 8, 2005, 11:33 a.m. CST

    wasn't 'shindig' the one with the swordfight?

    by Hercules

    I thought that was hilarious!

  • June 8, 2005, 11:40 a.m. CST

    This will easily be the best new show on TV since Lost

    by Daddy Tones


  • June 8, 2005, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Watch, for at least six reasons.

    by RenoNevada2000

    Yes, but sincethis is FOX, will be it run for at least six episodes?

  • June 8, 2005, 11:46 a.m. CST

    SHINDIG was one of the best things I have ever seen in my life.

    by Daddy Tones

    As Firefly episodes go, it wasn't all that, but it was bloody brilliant anyway.

  • June 8, 2005, 11:56 a.m. CST


    by PVIII

    Well, I guess I didn't get its humor, and I usually love Firefly humor. Oh, well. And I tried to rewatch it a few months ago and couldn't. Maybe I'll try it once more. But at least give me that it's the poorest episode of the 13 (close the whore-house one, which parts of which I did find funny).

  • June 8, 2005, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Reviews aint good

    by ChorleyFM

    Kristen at her column on E said it was average, she had seen the first 3 episodes, and she loves the Whedonverse. Ausellio at wasn't overly complementary either.

  • June 8, 2005, 11:58 a.m. CST

    I'm putting the band back together ...

    by Shan

    Well, it certainly sounds like it doesn't it? What was it, 4 Buffy/Angel writers - they just haven't said they're on a mission from God yet - and will there be psychotic crazy people after them for anything? - or is that just fandom ...

  • June 8, 2005, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Shindig was great.

    by The Heathen

    LOVE that line too wolf at the door, one of if not my favorite lines from Firefly. I also have the feeling that this is more than just another fbi profiling show. I'm hoping it's good, because there is not a lot on right now.

  • June 8, 2005, 12:03 p.m. CST

    First of all, "Shindig" was great......

    by Jimmy Jazz

    "Look at all the Pretties!" "I'll get nekked!" "He actually thinks he's doing well." Good stuff. As for this show, yes it does look like Millenium redux, but what's wrong with that? Millenium kicked ass. Finally, how could the reviews of this show be bad, when I haven't read ANY reviews, good, bad or indifferent. Can any of you post some of these negative reviews?

  • June 8, 2005, 12:08 p.m. CST

    f1rst p0st, loosers! hahaha

    by punto

    nikita was 5 seasons, but it wasn't _exactly_ like this, because it didn't have all this 'light vs dark side battle' crap.. everyone was dark on that show, except for Nikita, who was constantly questioning herself, and that was the boring part for me.. At least they learned the lesson for 24, where Jack goes badass first, and asks questions (or weeps in the car) later.

  • June 8, 2005, 12:24 p.m. CST

    other great lines from Shindig

    by oisin5199

    Mal: "use of a sw...what?" Harrow: I know (Badger). And I think he's a psychotic lowlife. Mal: And I think calling him that is an insult to the psychotic lowlife community. Jayne: What we need is a diversion. I say Zoe gets nekkid. Wash: No! Jayne: I could get nekkid...? Wash and Zoe: No! Inara: As with other situations, the key seems to be giving Jayne a heavy stick and standing back. Kaylee: Yes, sir, Captain Tightpants. Badger: 'Course you couldn't buy an invite with a diamond the size of a testicle, but I got my hands on a couple. MAL: See how I'm not punching him? I think I've grown. Inara: It wasn't entirely a disaster. Mal: I got stabbed! Right here! Inara: You also lined up exciting new crime.

  • June 8, 2005, 12:27 p.m. CST

    last time I ever badmouth a firefly ep

    by PVIII

    and there was a negative review for The Inside on

  • June 8, 2005, 12:47 p.m. CST

    ?No reviews?

    by Mr. Profit


  • June 8, 2005, 2:25 p.m. CST

    In Regard to The "Angel" Reference...SPOILER

    by DanielKurland

    The Wolfram and Hart connection is cool, however at the end of Angel we clearly saw that the building was demolished, how could they still have security? Any ideas?

  • June 8, 2005, 2:54 p.m. CST

    So I just want to know....

    by Fart_Master_Flex

    Say this show is fucking great (which I think it very well could be). What can we expect from Fox who are debuting a show at this time of year? Do you think they will be commited to this? Or do you think they could give fuck all about it and are too busy planning a show about Nanny's who do home makeovers and who also desire to be a pop star?

  • June 8, 2005, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Kinda looks like "Millennium, but with a cute chick" but...


    ...I gotta give anything Minear, Hatem, Fury, Espenson and Edlund do a chance. That's a damn solid writing/producing team and a pretty/interesting cast, though I've read (very) mixed reviews on the pilot. And then again, I don't want to get my hopes up that Fox will air anything close to the 13 episodes they've ordered (I've been burned too many times), but I'll at least TiVo tonight's premiere and cross my fingers.

  • June 8, 2005, 3:43 p.m. CST

    I swear, if one more person disses Shindig, I'll chop your h

    by Daddy Tones

    Shindig was marvelous. Example, the line "I'm in". Probably works better in context.

  • June 8, 2005, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Wolfram and Hart

    by JackDonkey

    Existed in other dimensions or whatever, like there as signs that it existed in Pylea, so I wouldn't think they would be done for, but Angel did go above them to destroy something further up the ladder if I remember right, which I'm too confident of. But whatever called all those demons to fight angel and gunn in the end were being commanded by something to do so.

  • June 8, 2005, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Herc, you posted this entire article before

    by Dannychico

    Is there one iota of new content here?

  • June 8, 2005, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Good Review

    by kenobibot

    For what it's worth, both of the Philly papers liked it (though the Daily News doubted it would last in a crowded field of police-like shows).

  • June 8, 2005, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Teen FBI.

    by kabong

    Well, if you can believe Jenn Garner kicks terrorist butt . . .

  • June 8, 2005, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Ooh, Firefly's Tim Minear

    by The Pusher


  • June 8, 2005, 8:08 p.m. CST


    by AeroB

    *Third stab* "I'm all right." I don't think anything more needs to be said.

  • June 8, 2005, 8:19 p.m. CST

    People bagged on the first few episodes of "Firefly" too.

    by Hercules

    Patience people. I've seen the first four episodes. Tim is builllllllding. Building perhaps something magnificent.

  • June 8, 2005, 9:09 p.m. CST

    Monstrous Twists????? I am so there!!!

    by Thunderballs

    God I love that old standby device of throwing a stupid twist in when the concept/story gets tired! I haven't seen a twist in anything recently, and am glad the device is being used again to trick people into thinking shit is actually gold!! You know how something is good? THERE ARE TONS OF TWISTS THAT TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL!!!! Everyone knows if a show or movie doesn't have twists it is no good! Fuck outta my face with this shit.

  • June 8, 2005, 9:14 p.m. CST

    If he's building, I hope he's a helluva carpenter

    by Kungfumanchu

    'cause this is looking pretty rickety to me. This is coming from a hardcore Minear fan. I'm glad to hear you saying you've seen the 4th ep & it improves, because every other review I've read has said it's still bad through the third. I do give him credit for working so many cliches into one episode. Still having a hard time swallowing the copycat suicide. Other than a blind cop getting to carry a gun on Blind Justice, that's gotta be the most preposterous thing I've seen on tv lately. Here's to hoping Herc's right on this one.

  • June 8, 2005, 9:17 p.m. CST


    by jerkstore

    Just watched. It was good. Real good. I'm sure Fox will cancel it next week.

  • June 8, 2005, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Episode didn't rock, but didn't suck, either

    by SickPuppy

    Shock and gross-out factor was a little gratuitous and I saw the ending coming from a mile away, but I can forgive that. The acting wasn't too bad, but I can take or leave Peter Coyote. I'm somewhat intrigued by the backstory angle, hope it doesn't rip off "Lost" with lots of flashbacks to all their histories, though

  • June 8, 2005, 9:24 p.m. CST

    For a pilot...

    by amievil

    it wasn't bad....but hopefully it gets better because if it stays just like the pilot it will get pretty lame...but with the writting staff on this show it should hopefully progress and get better...

  • June 8, 2005, 9:27 p.m. CST


    by SickPuppy

    Just read your post. The blind cop comment made me chuckle when I thought back to the explanation they offered in one of the previews for Blind Justice, which I never watched while it was on. They explained away the fact that he carried a gun by the character saying "I signed a waiver"!! Hilarious! How about all those innocent bystanders, did they sign a waiver, too? A lowpoint in tv history

  • June 8, 2005, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Whedon writers need Whedon ...

    by TodayzSpecial

    boring. I bet they were locked in with the lead actress and couldn't dump her. She didn't express any of the intelligence that she should have had. I'll stick around for a couple of more episodes, but so far i am not impressed. As far as I saw, there was no humor. It just seemed like a "WB'd" version of CSI. I'm dissappointed in Minear on the pilot. Jayne and Sharon Tyler were both woefully underused. Those are the two who should be headlining the show. The relationships between Web, Paul, and Rebecca seemed so forced. The dialogue was depressingly obvious. The performances were flat. The leads have no charisma ... I'd say this is less interesting than Martin Noxon's Point Pleasant. Whedon writers need Whedon to filter their talent better.

  • June 8, 2005, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Not half bad

    by Angelus_420

    I think the show has promise and I loved the Angel type montages between scenes. The characters were good but I think that Adam Baldwin needs more screen time. The only thing that really worries me is that the show is on FOX, so if the ratings are strong this show could only last 3 or 4 episodes.

  • June 8, 2005, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Another cop show,

    by AeroB

    but a good one. The case itself was fairly predictable, though it was nice and grotesque. But the characters and production values were great. I'm looking forward to seeing these people explored as this show develops, but... I wouldn't be surprised if this is another FOX stillbirth...

  • June 8, 2005, 10:20 p.m. CST

    by foreignerbelt

    so...does that main chick have big tits or not. I will tune in to find out next week. good opening. average to bad ep. It smells like there could be some shit coming around the bend however, and that could get good. we'll see. and who doesnt fucking love Animal Mother. Nobody thats who. Nobody.

  • June 8, 2005, 10:21 p.m. CST

    CookieCutter Show..

    by JohnnyBravo

    Granted there is some great talent behind it.. but it doesn't change the fact that the casting of the triangle (Paul, Web, Rebecca) is weak.. and the show is run of the mill. I'll give it a few more episodes.. but just because the execs use to work on buffy doesn't make it gold..

  • June 8, 2005, 10:26 p.m. CST

    less interesting than Point Pleasant? wtf

    by BurlIvesLeftNut

    This show wasn't landmark by any identifiable stretch of the imagination, but putting it ahead of Point fucking Pleasant? You = fanboy 'tard.

  • June 8, 2005, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Good for a Cop Show

    by JCOTC64

    For a Cop Show it was pretty good. For a first show it was okay too. For a Tim Minear show, it was ho-hum. The first ep of Wonderfalls didn't exactly hit the mark either, but it was leaps and bounds over this, but then it's a diferent genre. All in all, it's good for a cop show.

  • June 8, 2005, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Those of you saying the original concept sounded better...

    by zer0cool2k2

    Think about what you're saying. This is FOX, and that original concept would have had a casy of Abercrombie models and scripts that played like "The O.C.- Undercover. Not to mention it would not have been original, like someone said. It's been done over and over, From 21 Jump Street all the way to David Cassidy: Man undercover. (And I didn't make that up). This first ep was pretty good, and shows a lot of potential to develop into a great show. (Which means cancellation before August).

  • June 8, 2005, 10:50 p.m. CST

    It Was Good Pretty... Damn, I think I did that backwards.

    by El Fuego

    The plot and casting were a little meh, and the montage felt WAY WAY too Aliasy... but I thought the dialogue was pretty sharp and given that Rachel Nichols is gorgeous, I think I can bear to watch another episode or few.

  • June 8, 2005, 11:28 p.m. CST

    by h3dgemon

  • June 8, 2005, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Lack of Whedon isn't the problem.

    by christonomist

    Point Pleasant's a bad example--Marti Noxon was always Buffy's weak link...same's true for Angel's David Greenwalt and anything he's done since. But Minear's been making gold, Firefly... yeah, he had Whedon there, but Wonderfalls! Great show! Look Ma, no Whedon-strings! Which is why anything less than sheer brilliance on Inside completely confuses me. I have no explanation.

  • ... The Korean film "She's On Duty" just came out on DVD where a policewoman goes undercover in a girl's school for some reason or other. It was supposedly a big hit (in Korea at least) ...

  • June 8, 2005, 11:38 p.m. CST

    "1000 times cooler"

    by HillaryLovesMe

    Could we get some brilliant guesses as to what that would mean? My first guess is "Buffyverse-like vampires!" But that would involve a mountain of copyright issues.

  • June 8, 2005, 11:44 p.m. CST

    Could this BE any more like Silence of the Lambs "the series?

    by Total Geekazoid

    Maybe if they CGI'd Jodie Foster's and Scott Glenn's faces into the interview scene. Do we really need another cop/FBI procedural? Let alone one clearly "inspired" by a movie over ten years old? The revelation that the first death was a suicide reminded me of the Firefly ep. when the guy self-mutilated to make himself into a Reaver. Made about as much sense then, too. Minear said he cranked out the pilot script in 48 hours. Felt like it.

  • June 8, 2005, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Could this BE any more like Silence of the Lambs "the series?

    by Total Geekazoid

    Maybe if they CGI'd Jodie Foster's and Scott Glenn's faces into the interview scene. Do we really need another cop/FBI procedural? Let alone one clearly "inspired" by a movie over ten years old? The revelation that the first death was a suicide reminded me of the Firefly ep. when the guy self-mutilated to make himself into a Reaver. Made about as much sense then, too. Minear said he cranked out the pilot script in 48 hours. Felt like it.

  • June 8, 2005, 11:56 p.m. CST

    A little scarcasm never hurt anyone

    by JuanCarlosII

    oh the fbi agent killed herself and cut her face open because she was bipolar and staged it as a crimescene naturally. that makes perfect sense. and a fbi director who convienently gets to choose damaged people and work on any crime he wants must make it hard for the writers to come up with episodes. I will cling to the impossible hope that serenity does well and firefly is back with the canceled the inside bringing minear and baldwin back

  • June 9, 2005, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Inside view

    by oisin5199

    Since this is a limited run, I'll keep watching. It's pretty damn dark, though. Not the snarky fun of Wonderfalls or Firefly. Though the "stop (shoot) let her go! I did that backwards" had a moment. Seemed out of character for Web, but Coyote played it and the reaction afterwards interestingly. So I guess I'm intrigued with his character. I'm sure we'll get more Baldwin stuff later, for those who worry, but he only works best as a side player (like Jayne). I don't watch procedurals or cop shows and haven't seen Silence of the Lambs since it came out (never saw any pre/sequels), so I don't know or care if it's derivative. The fact that Baldwin's character made a Clarice Starling reference shows me the writers are aware of the connection and can poke fun at it. Even so, I don't think it's that similar in content or style. I liked the style, and am intrigued by "I know all your problems." I've always been a fan of story arc or mythology, so I hope there's plenty. Though if this wasn't Minear, I probably wouldn't watch because again, not so big on the procedurals. I tend to be loyal to the Whedon crew - though I never watched Gilmore Girls, I even tried the awful Point Pleasant, which despite it's OCness had its moments (well, maybe just one or two). Besides, what the hell else you gonna watch during the summer? (well, besides Rescue Me, Six Feet Under, and eventually Battlestar. Okay, and Dead Zone and 4400 for second string genre fare. But besides that, what else?)

  • June 9, 2005, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Well that sucked.

    by Mr. Waturi

    Shocked at how bad that was. Bad editing. Dull story. Peter Coyote was half asleep. Felt like they were trying to combine "Seven" and "Silence of the Lambs," which wouldn't be a bad thing, but this was.

  • June 9, 2005, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Pilot Review

    by zabbadoo

    Didn't know that it was written by Tim Minnear until it was half over. They really need to start listing the writers in the TV listings for fucks sake. Anyways. The last half of the pilot KICKED MY ASS. Ben Edlund to come? FUCK YEAH!!! Gonna get to see Baldwin exploring the non-idiot version of intensity? FUCK YEAH!! Anyways that's my 2 bits. That dude who said that television was a vast wasteland? GET BENT DUMBASS!

  • June 9, 2005, 12:23 a.m. CST

    the Inside

    by johnnysunshine

    It showed some promise, though I don't think the pilot was even in the same league as Lost or Galactica. The dark, more stylish tone and focus on at least one character set it apart from a lot of other cop shows, though I'm not sure if we really need another cop show. The serial killer of the week storyline felt like something I'd seen a ton of times. Probably because I have. I suppose it's hard to be original with something like that considering how many shows cover that ground week after week. The characters and the style of the show were what kept me watching the whole hour. I'll give this a couple more episodes at least. Did anyone else think the lead character looked just like Bridget Fonda?

  • June 9, 2005, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Buffverse sucks

    by GiftedInThePants

    Fucking cocksuckers. it's garbage. LMAO TEH SHINDIG LMAO. Flop. Fucking floppy ass Whedon shows.

  • June 9, 2005, 12:54 a.m. CST


    by AshFett

    This is partially sarcasm, partially actual curiousity. The sarcasm part is this: While it would be nice if the tv listings said who wrote shows, I think we were all subtly given a hint when the actual show said "written by Tim Minear" in the opening. But my actual question is why/how did you find out Minear wrote it half way through watching the episode??

  • June 9, 2005, 12:58 a.m. CST

    c'mon it wasn't that bad

    by jmc8y

    I had high expectations for this show and yeah, I disappointed. But not that much. Even at where it is now, it's still one of the better shows on TV. I'll be watching next week.

  • June 9, 2005, 1:09 a.m. CST

    '...where she demonstrated a knack for cracking Tony Almeida

    by Lefty Lefterson

    Now THAT'D be a series! I wanted to watch this tonight, but I completely forgot about it. DAMMIT!

  • June 9, 2005, 1:44 a.m. CST

    I never, ever EVER judge a show by the pilot,,,,,

    by Jimmy Jazz

    I would have never watched most of my favorite shows is I stopped watching because of a lackluster pilot. And this wasn't lackluster at all. Nothing relevatory, but it certainly was better than all those other cop procedurals out there. At least this one makes an effort to create three dimensional characters. Those other CSI and Law and Order type clones have cardboard cutouts that serve as placeholders for the rickety, contrived plots. This plot was contrived but at least the script had an atmosphere that the others lack. The lead actress seems a little stiff, but that could be the character. Iliked the part where she got into the victim's head at the apartment. I don't know, I'll give it a few more weeks, but I am weary of serial killer storylines. I hope they tackle other kinds of crime soon,

  • June 9, 2005, 2:23 a.m. CST

    "That dude who said that television was a vast wasteland? GET BE

    by Prankster

    This is the greatest quote ever said by anyone, ever.

  • June 9, 2005, 2:35 a.m. CST

    Awesome so far...where's the promo, Fox???

    by KCMOSHer

    Well. That kicked great big giant puddles of ass. Now here's hoping Fox doesn't pull a Wonderfalls or a Miracles or a Serenity. Show episodes out of order, switch the timeslot around, refuse to properly publicize the show, etc. This isn't a great start, as Herc was the ONLY way I knew to even TiVO the damn thing.

  • June 9, 2005, 4:24 a.m. CST

    That was the best pilot ever. Still, needs more Whedon.

    by Daddy Tones

    Right, lads?

  • June 9, 2005, 5:26 a.m. CST

    Since the show actually has good writing, it will get dropped...

    by andrew coleman

    Only reality shows where idiots try and sing and worthless pieces of shits get their houses a makeover from guys in wheelchairs, since The Inside doesn't have any of that. It will be dropped. Since now only cable has good shows like Shield.

  • June 9, 2005, 6:07 a.m. CST

    eh, it didn't grab me

    by sabine16

    I wasn't all that shocked by the opening scene, and Jay Harrington read his lines like a Jay-Bot. I really do like that guy from Firefly, though. He should get his own show. I turned it off and fell asleep around 9:45. Did they catch the bad guy?

  • June 9, 2005, 6:49 a.m. CST

    For fuck's sake!

    by Fawst

    WHY do I miss everything?! I agree with the above poster, Herc is the only reason I knew it was on last night... too bad I found out THIS MORNING. *sigh*

  • and I'm sure someone else mentioned that the killer working in the Subway was just done on Law & Order Criminal Intent. Millineum's first show was creepier than than this and had some NIN in it. Hopefully Prison Break will be better.

  • June 9, 2005, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Simon Gunther

    by The Heathen

  • June 9, 2005, 9:34 a.m. CST

    kind of lame

    by JackDonkey

    and Daddy Tones, the best pilot ever was for Dead Like Me. I'm sick of mystery of the weak shows. This is an obvious attempt by Minear to make a show that normal Haus Fraus will watch. It's as if he dumbed it down to get the masses to tune in, which isn't really a bad idea for him or Jayne, and Sharon Tyler because I assume it would be nice for them to have a steady income for a year or three.

  • June 9, 2005, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Waiting for Fury

    by commiepinko

    He wrote all the best eps of Lost, hopefully he can turn this into a good show too

  • June 9, 2005, 11:22 a.m. CST


    by scott5309

    it was pretty decent. seemed a lot like house though, old cranky guy and some young whippersnappers that don't like him, but respect him. i'll watch again, and hope it doesn't get dropped as soon as i really start enjoying it. i didn't think reading an inside talkback would inspire me to finally go and get the firefly dvd on my lunchbreak though. that "mercy is the mark of a great man" scene sounds fucking great...

  • June 9, 2005, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Shindig lines:

    by mbeemer

    "You didn't have to *wound* the man..." "Nope. Sure was funny, though!"

  • June 9, 2005, 2:49 p.m. CST

    yeah, 'The Inside' is not so good

    by matrix69

    Sorry, Herc, you're way off base on this one. The scripts may be ok (but only just, with all the lame 'Silence of the Lambs' references), but lead actress Rachel Nichols just *cannot* carry a show. She reminds me of Monica Potter from 'Boston Legal' -- another nice-looking blonde with limited acting ability who half the time doesn't even understand the big words uttered by her character. Thumbs down.

  • June 9, 2005, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Ok, so I've actually seen the show now.

    by Daddy Tones

    And it's not looking good. The MAIN THING THAT'S WRONG WITH THE INSIDE: IT'S JUST ANOTHER COP SHOW. Jesus Christ, Tim, what the hell were you thinking? Tim Minear sold out and went for the sellable premise of Yet Another Cop Show, instead of something interesting. A premise like Lost practically writes itself - and good casting makes it a classic. This show has a 1. Poor Premise. It's highly, highly derivative. I DON'T CARE IF I'VE ONLY SEEN ONE EPISODE: because we've already seen every serial killer storyline out there on a hundred different shows (and movies). 2. The boss, played by that old guy, is rubbish. Frank Black had more personality than that contrived character. He was a walking cliche!! Tim - what the hell are you playing at? The main actress was alright, but nothing special. Alias IS special. This...this show can't go anywhere. It's stuck in a Serial Killer Of The Week Mould. It's not even close to being as good as something like The X Files.

  • June 9, 2005, 3:19 p.m. CST

    And the BEST Shindig quote is this: "Mal: What are you going to

    by Daddy Tones

    My God...Firefly really was the best written show ever, apart from Buffy.

  • June 9, 2005, 4:24 p.m. CST

    "It's not even close to being as good as something like The

    by amrcanpoet

    While XF is my favorite show of all-time, and I will defend it to the end, the pilot for XF was fairly lackluster in and of itself.

  • June 9, 2005, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Not bad show...

    by thuyvens

    I like how the killer worked for Wolfram security. props to Angel.

  • June 9, 2005, 5:43 p.m. CST

    two by two, cops of blue

    by DizzyEllie

    Come one, all you Browncoats, you did not notice the blue gloves the cops wore in the first scene? For shame. Also, I'm guess that the 1000x cooler thing is that Amber Benson is going to be on the show. For the most part, I thought it was passable. It didn't grab me by the collar and insist I watch week after week, but then, neither did Firefly. I'll stick with it based on the fact the the folks involved have created some of my favorite tv moments. I thought the lead actress was okay, but when you have Adam Baldwin and Tony winner/Jaye's sister Katie Finneran in the background, something is wrong. Get rid of the blond, let Adam and Katie play. Also, thought the shoot-first-question-later scene was a little too close to Firefly for my tastes (Mal did the same thing at the end of the pilot), cool though it was. We'll see how it shapes up.

  • June 9, 2005, 6:26 p.m. CST


    by baj24

    5 bucks says it's cancelled after 5 episodes. Ratings last night sucked. It only got a 3.2 5...fucking Yes Dear on CBS did better. SMH

  • June 9, 2005, 8:33 p.m. CST

    I liked it

    by Dannychico

  • June 9, 2005, 9:36 p.m. CST

    A Good Pilot That Left Me Wanting To See More.

    by The Outlander

    I suspect that this will turn into a very good show once the actors and the writers start hitting their marks. I believe there was quite a noticeable improvement even in this first episode, the episode definitely ended better than it started. I think the cast will work well together after they get a few episodes under their belts, having Adam Baldwin and Katie Finneran in the cast should give the rest or the cast a couple of lively sparks to work with and that know how to deliver those witty lines of dialog.

  • June 10, 2005, 5:58 a.m. CST

    Suffers from Been there/Done that...

    by bb6634

    This would be an amazing series... if it had been made, say, 10 years ago. Before the Silence of the Lambs, Kiss the Girls, CSI, Manhunter, every third straight-to-video movie starying Karu Wuhrer, Eric Roberts, etc... Sigh. Nice try tho. My bet: Gone after four eps.

  • June 10, 2005, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Sure, the X-Files pilot was poor. However, the show had POTENTIA

    by Daddy Tones

    And if there is anything, we've already seen it before in a hundred thousnad serial killer movies. THE X FILES showed promise because it took a realistic and scientific view of supernatural phenomenon. Also, it had FANTASTIC casting of the leads. And it had Morgan and Wong. The Inside has bad casting, and has no premise to speak of. IT'S LITERALLY THE OPPOSITE OF 'HIGH CONCEPT' TV.

  • June 10, 2005, 8:39 a.m. CST

    " The Inside has bad casting, and has no premise to speak of."??

    by The Outlander

    What show where you watching? I thought it had a really good cast and the characters where genuine interesting, because unlike most other cop shows on TV they actually spent a respectable amount of time developing the characters and the relationships between the characters.