June 6, 2005, 1:16 a.m. CST
...please kill me.
June 6, 2005, 1:17 a.m. CST
by Darth Moa
Come on Shit heads! Don't turn a fantatstic two movies into an utter crap heap. I couldnt bear to see this demolished. Bastards!! Get it together in the next 9 weeks otherwise your just a pack of prime specimen loosers
June 6, 2005, 1:17 a.m. CST
June 6, 2005, 1:17 a.m. CST
We shall see...
June 6, 2005, 1:18 a.m. CST
June 6, 2005, 1:18 a.m. CST
I just didnt want to type out "first"
June 6, 2005, 1:20 a.m. CST
How is he still in films??? He should be called BRATT Ratner. Spoiled piece of shit that he is!!!
June 6, 2005, 1:22 a.m. CST
by Red Grant
After X2, I had such high hopes for the X-Men franchise. This does not bode well. No sir...I don't like it. I mean, honestly...what's Ratner's pedigree? Rush Hour? Red Dragon? Wow. Not the way I wanted to start the week. Marvel needs to pull their collective head from their arses and PROTECT these films, not just rush them through production with anyone at the helm to make a quick buck. Dammit, I've been a true believer since the re-birth of the X-Men in the '70s and don't want to see this fucked up. Batman does look sweet, and I'm down...but I've always been a Marvel guy.
June 6, 2005, 1:24 a.m. CST
Well, that's...eh. I have no idea. I actually enjoyed Rush Hour 1 and 2 as movies, thought Red Dragon was okay, but didn't see the point of remaking a truly great film in Manhunter and haven't seen After the Sunset -- although my mother-in-law enjoyed it when she saw it on a plane... Look, if the script sucks, then the film will suck. That's it. Ratner is a serviceable director as far as I can tell, he just doesn't seem to bring any inspiration. He just helps to create the images laid out on paper. And let's be honest here, folks -- 9 weeks of preproduction is ludicrous. The guy is starting off limping. And, again, remember that we all hated the idea of Singer directing X-Men, Burton directing Batman and Tim Story directing Fantastic Four...I'll get my coat...
June 6, 2005, 1:24 a.m. CST
I looked at Ratner's resume at IMDB, and I don't see anything that shows he understands genre movies. Maybe Fox wants X3 to be as mainstream as possible. Ratner: the Jay Leno of directors.
June 6, 2005, 1:24 a.m. CST
Ratner is the new Schumacher.
June 6, 2005, 1:24 a.m. CST
by Bargin Hunter in 3D
This choice doesn't blow my skirt up, but it doesn't leave me with that "dull salty" taste in your mouth the moment your about to vomit. With such a valued fanchise as X, you think they would have brought someone on board with...more...directorial...clout...style...damn. Thanks again Hollywoodland.
June 6, 2005, 1:26 a.m. CST
As for "the other character", very probably Storm since Halle isn't playing ball. Or Cyclops, since he had all of five minutes screen time in X2.
June 6, 2005, 1:28 a.m. CST
After the success of the first two, don't Jackman, Stewart and McKellen get some kind of say as to the director? That's usually what happens when the stars really take flight in franchises...or is Fox just scared that they won't get the cast back together again due to schedule if they don't push on immediately. In fairness, that has to be driving the suits on this one -- can you imagine trying to get the entire cast together for a period of time? Busy, in demand people here, folks -- if they have it all lined up, they have to push on. Not applauding Ratner, here, just stating a production management fact. Soemtimes schedule determines this business just as much as money and ego.
June 6, 2005, 1:31 a.m. CST
...has been pretty defeaning from the stars, don't you think? Maybe they weren't all that keen on Vaughan and are waiting to see where the chips fall? Hell, I'm going to be the first and probably last person on this board to say good luck to all. I hope they knock it out of the park. Just don't strike out, guys -- there's more than just the X-Men franchise at stake, here.
June 6, 2005, 1:31 a.m. CST
Even the screenwriters credits don't look too good. As for Ratner, it's pretty obvious that Fox doesn't want to deal with "filmmakers" when it comes to big budget movies anymore. They'd rather get hacks and directors for hire just so that they could push them around instead of having the director run the show. Just look at Ratner's paychecks, they just throw money at him because they know he'll suck their cocks.
June 6, 2005, 1:32 a.m. CST
The good news is, at least after X3 we won't have to worry about anyone ever desecrating the X-Men again, because this can only be a bullet to the head of the entire concept of an X-Men movie. Hopefully Jackman can spin off successfully as Wolvie with an entirely different creative team and attitude towards the series.
June 6, 2005, 1:35 a.m. CST
Leave the characters where they are, in the X-Men. Spin-offs just pour salt on the open wound of a festering franchise. I give you Catwoman, Electra and Supergirl. If the franchise dies, let it stay dead and then, like all good comic book heroes, bring it back to life. Can I get an Amen for the Blue Beetle here? Anyone? Never mind...
June 6, 2005, 1:40 a.m. CST
amen for the blue beetle.
June 6, 2005, 1:45 a.m. CST
"...Fox and Marvel brass consider the script by Zak Penn and Simon Kinberg to be at least as strong as that of the first two installments..." That's sad and hilarious, "at least as strong.." It should be better.
June 6, 2005, 1:47 a.m. CST
by Regis Travolta
Wait until it's on cable TV that way the studio doesn't get your money because you pay your monthly cable bill to your cable company. Don't even rent this one on DVD and if you really have good willpower wait until it's on FOX TV network and watch it for free. This is the only way you can get the studios to listen to you by denying them your hard earned money. Show up for opening weekend and they will continue to treat you like the customers you are and they will continue to take you for granted. Boycott what you have bad vibes about and save your money to spend it on other films you're actually looking forward to seeing.
June 6, 2005, 1:51 a.m. CST
Make me happy to see a shout-out to a sadly sacrificed member of the best comic book ever :-)
June 6, 2005, 1:53 a.m. CST
Xavier and Magneto are the main ones. Storm dies early on, a cheap way for Fox to fix the Hallie Berry issue.
June 6, 2005, 1:58 a.m. CST
I am not all that optimistic either...but how can you decide to boycott a movie that hasn't even started filming yet...I mean give it a chance...I am sure a lot of you fan boys were singing the praises of Synger when he was first attached to X-Men...Ratner won't ruin the movie if the script isn't any good...thats a fact...lets wait until this bad boy begins filming before we run out and condemn it...just a thought...let the internet bashing begin
June 6, 2005, 1:58 a.m. CST
by MOOMBA is HERE
MOOMBA is not amused one bit! How dare they hire Ratner...not Chirs Tucker and Charlie Chan too!?!? They are the greatest actor/duo who ever graced the screen everin human time!Chirs Tucker talks like a black man (kind of like Michael JAckson except tall and black) and Charlie Chan is chinese man who is crazy and kicks people for aliving! Tuckjer should play Gambit the Black Man from lousisiana and Charlie Chan should play the the Chinese Wolverine! "Ching chang chong Bub!!!" MOOMBA has SPOKEN!!!
June 6, 2005, 1:59 a.m. CST
*were not singing the praises of Synger
June 6, 2005, 2 a.m. CST
how about jackie chan, moomba? you shouldn't have spoken
June 6, 2005, 2 a.m. CST
I believe it's Jackie Chan...but still a funny post!
June 6, 2005, 2:05 a.m. CST
I know I can't predict the future, but this is about as grim as it can get for the X-Men franchise. It seems now that Marvel is more interested in making quick cash than in investing time and energy into producing movies that reflect the kind of quality they instilled in their most beloved characters in their formative years. Mr. Arad swore this wouldn't happen, and now Marvel's movie franchises are becoming something of a joke. Sigh...
June 6, 2005, 2:05 a.m. CST
Will you give in to FOX's and Marvel's countless shitty decisions and just go see the damn thing? It's pathetic how much is already going wrong. How is it that the people in charge of movie studios always have to end up being egomaniacal stooges? Quite possibly because they're in the wrong business for the wrong reasons. God I hate Hollywood.
June 6, 2005, 2:08 a.m. CST
Of all the the screw ups you can do you go out and actively ruin your only franchise!!!!! What the hell is wrong with you suits over there? Harry or Moriarty can you please ask Avi Arad why in the world are they making these kinds of decsions? Like rushing to meet the deadline, rushing a quality lacking plot to script, and signinng a mediocre director? WHY, WHY, WHY? Damn you Fox and damn you Avi Arad for trusting those damn witless suits in Fox.
June 6, 2005, 2:11 a.m. CST
by Logo Lou
Isn't that big a deal, no one EVER stays dead in comics, PARTICULARLY X-Men comics. And even if they did, there are still liked 1001 X-Men characters. Killing the franchise... that's something different... Ratner is a hack, but not the worst choice ever, not good, not bad, just a hollywood system sack sucker, the lame script would be more to worry about. Sad, the first two X-Men films COULD have been the greatest build up to a trilogy ender of all time... not a chance now, at best, it'll be merely okay.
June 6, 2005, 2:12 a.m. CST
Let's organize a boycott from this space to show this suits that we fans are willing to sacrifice an early release for a good quality film!
June 6, 2005, 2:12 a.m. CST
I am so glad he won't be associated with this piece of shit.
June 6, 2005, 2:17 a.m. CST
And that looks to be about all we're going to get. No offense to Ratner but this project needs a real auteur for it to work on any level. And I actually think Matthew Vaughn could've done a great job.
June 6, 2005, 2:19 a.m. CST
many many people at Fox are going to pay...
June 6, 2005, 2:25 a.m. CST
by Gheorghe Zamfir
During X2 Singer was able to just get FOX to back off and basically scrap the studio commissioned script by Hayter and bring in two writers that he liked to rework the whole thing while they were shooting. I don't if Ratner is smart enough to recognize a crap script or savvy enough to get good writers to work it over, but its a shame that the franchise has gotten to the point where we have to hope for good directors who can fight the studio, instead of a studio just taking the time to put together a good movie by hiring talent from the bottom up.
June 6, 2005, 2:27 a.m. CST
by Junior Frenger
If anything could keep me away from an x-men movie this would be it. Damn you Singer, damn you straight to hell. I will boycott this and Superman. Singer you traitor...Ratner you hack...I wish cancer upon your penises and your children.
June 6, 2005, 2:27 a.m. CST
Big opening weekend, worldwide breakeven/profits, bad reviews, no sequels. I mean sure you can fool the popcorn crowd once, but they won't be back for more of your nonsense. Well done suits, way to go. Will we have to wait 10 years for a restart like Batman... or 20, like Superman...
June 6, 2005, 2:30 a.m. CST
Brett is just a piece of shit as a director... and X-men 3 will be a piece of shit. CQFD!
June 6, 2005, 2:31 a.m. CST
by Napolean Solo
Personally, I don't see what all the fuss about Brett is about. He isn't a bad director at all. In fact, i think he's more than capable to bring X-Men 3 to the big screen. He may even give us a vision we haven't seen yet. I've pretty much liked all of his cinematic outings hus far- from Money Talks to Family Man. Viva Le Rat!!
June 6, 2005, 2:45 a.m. CST
The franchise is officially done. You can just imagine the behind the scenes fights. Reminds me of the fights over Alien 3. It will make an interesting documentary later on but for now the only entertaining part will come from seeing how they messed it up. Singer is looking smarter and if he pulls off Superman, he'll move into the Spielberg, Cameron level of filmmaking.
June 6, 2005, 2:48 a.m. CST
Damn you, Tom and Avi. HOLLYWOOD LESSON #1: Worry more about making a good movie than an arbitrary release date! You couldn't pay me to sit through an X-Men movie directed by Ratner, much less one that blithely kills off beloved main characters just because the actors won't re-up after their three-picture option. With X2 you had a franchise that touched greatness, but now you're squandering it due to stupidity, impatience and greed. At least we have Astonishing X-Men.
June 6, 2005, 2:50 a.m. CST
It pains me that Avi Arad actually called going from Matthew Vaughn to Brett Ratner "trading up."
June 6, 2005, 2:53 a.m. CST
by Twilight Ronin
The lesson that Fox should have learned is that to make a good comic book movie the director has to have a passion for the comic or a type of vision that can pull off a comic book movie. To rephrase Boris Yeltsin, You can make a throne out of crap but you cannot sit on it too long.
June 6, 2005, 2:57 a.m. CST
A real shame...Brett Ratner makes bad films...and now he is going to bury this franchise right to the ground...I was kinda excited about the prospects with the last filmaker Vaughn... and now Brett RAtner is going to kill this thing, Fox does not realize how many comic geeks are feeling with this news...just terrible. But knowing Fox, I am not surprised anymore.
June 6, 2005, 3:12 a.m. CST
by Shady Drifter
I wonder how good old Darth Vader would react to this news. I'll give you a choice: a) Brett, I am your father. b) I find your lack of faith in Ratner... disturbing. c) NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
June 6, 2005, 3:16 a.m. CST
by The Founder
I Don't know about how much of this is true or untrue regarding the script, the killing of characters, a demutant serum, actors having a say in the script, jeez northing good can come of this. I just never understood why FOX just didn't damn wait? I hope all this stuff is a rumor, especially about the demutant serum. That just sounds cliched. All this d@mn rushing is why we can't get sentinals in this project. I really want to know is what in the hell is any actor aboard Xmen doing having any kind of input in the script? They are fucking actors, just got damn act. If you wanna be a script writer then create your on proeject. Halle Berry is one of the axed mutants or she loses her powers.
June 6, 2005, 3:16 a.m. CST
by Thayden Ozma
...just like the 2 X-Men movies Singer made. I still don't understand all the praise these films get. Yes the second was better than the first and the first was ok, but the fanboys somehow have managed to move these films somehow in contention with Spiderman and at the same time here we are talking about this crap with a potential A-rate Batman on the horizon. I love the X-Men comics, cartoons, etc., but I was left empty by the films, they could have been so much more than they were. I find it hard to believe that Ratner could do any worse in my opinion. But when the ashes settle I keep coming back to "I don't really give a fuck. Batman is coming." -Az
June 6, 2005, 3:19 a.m. CST
First Blade, now X-men.i wouldnt be so bothered about this if the first 2 xmen films werent so good. ill tell you now, im NOT sitting through any movie with a Patrick Stewart death scene...Xavier DOES NOT DIE (well...this IS X-men.... but alternate universes and time travel just aint gonna cut it in the movie world 1&2 already set up)this is just awful, awful awful news... if they want to get this back on track they should dump the entire thing and wait for Brian Singer to finish logans run. i'd rather wait an extra 4 years than see a bad X men movie...and now im worried about Spiderman 3.... but at least raimi is on board...im depressed now...im gonna have a shit day and im gonna sit in my room watching X2 and imagining how good it could have been.
June 6, 2005, 3:20 a.m. CST
GO TO HELL MARVEL You had it coming too.
June 6, 2005, 3:21 a.m. CST
Storm would be the easiest character in the universe to replace. Halle Berry was shitty in the role anyway. Get Angela Bassett
June 6, 2005, 3:21 a.m. CST
Just buy a ticket to another movie and walk into X3. If it's good spend your cash on the DVD. IF it's bad, you didn't give your hard earned cash to the f---ing studio suits.
June 6, 2005, 3:28 a.m. CST
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June 6, 2005, 3:47 a.m. CST
Watch the racial slurs fuckhead
June 6, 2005, 3:49 a.m. CST
by andrew coleman
I'm just saying already I am personally boycotting this film. I hate Bret Ratner I think Hollywood pushes him into easy projects and claimed him to be a great director when he sucks balls. How can the guy who made After the Sunset which made around 20 million, a bomb! Then go on to direct X3!!! It doesn't make sense, I want the guy who made Behind Enemy Lines because this news is horrible. Thank god for Batman and Spider-man, and hopefully Superman because all these Marvel films suck.
June 6, 2005, 4:23 a.m. CST
Killing off main characters of an established ongoing series is a sensible studio tactic when pay negotiations go south? Sorry, but that right there proves that there's NOBODY at the helm of this one that cares one iota for the integrity of the story. I'm personally not one to overly worship X2, I had my own problems with that, but at least Singer did seem to care enough to get most of it right.
June 6, 2005, 4:27 a.m. CST
Just saw Layer Cake and I think actually Matthew Vaughn may have been great after all, it was certainly a more creative choice, but alas...
June 6, 2005, 4:33 a.m. CST
Look, I personally liked Rush Hour 1; and Rush Hour 2 had some really laugh out loud funny stuff in it, mainly because Ratner knows when to let his actors chew up footage with ad libs and different takes. Red Dragon was a great adaptation, and while I have seen Manhunter, there's this whole indie-cred most online amateur pundits prize to make their views sound authentic, so when someone says 'Manhunter is the better flick', my inner skeptic arches his brow. My opinion's that thw two films are completely different takes. I mean, the action climax is a little hackneyed in 'Manhunter' as Dolarhyde plays 'Inagaddadavida' while he strobe lights and gads about the house in a kimono until the hero dives through the front window. Ratner's direction of Hoffman as Freddy Lounds shows that the guy knows how to get that sleazy, waste of a man performance out of the number one WASP player in Hollywood. Ratner is a journeyman director, sure, but maybe he needs to be given a chance to spread his wings on genre. The look of Red Dragon was awesome, the art direction and pacing were formidable, and the characterizations, while not shocking or surprising, were dynamic and believable. In short, give the guy a fucking break. Not to mention, we geeks, dorks, nerds, spazzes, freaks, dips, dweebs, and movie buffs aren't the audience the suits care about so much anymore. Truth: Ratner made Rush Hour...it made money...Ratner made Rush Hour 2...it made money too, and money on DVD...Ratner made Red Dragon...and what do you know? It didn't light the world ablaze, but it was a respectable showing. Money talks, and our bullshit opines always, always walk.
June 6, 2005, 4:38 a.m. CST
In the holy word of Jack Bauer: "Dammit!"
June 6, 2005, 4:43 a.m. CST
by Mr Chuff
you cant pay me enough to watch anything with Chris Tucker in it though. I thought Red Dragon was fine but even in the behind-the-scenes stuff you can tell Ratner is some kind of ass-milker.
June 6, 2005, 4:47 a.m. CST
[profanity laced diatribe]I know it doesn't matter to the guys at Fox, but for fuck's sake stop killing off comic movie characters just because you can't get a star to commit for a twelve picture franchise deal...they don't want to be a lightning-tossing mutant broad? They don't want to sit through blue makeup sessions for hours and hours? Fuck 'em, and find someone who wants a role; Jesus Christ we're backwards in the upper echelons of power in this country...You think the guys who produce James Bond give a shit that someone wants to do something other than Bond? Fuck no! They say, hey, Tim Dalton, what are you doing? Want to be James Bond? And when he sucks, they fire his worthless ass, and hire someone kickass. For fuck's sake, gentlemen, give the fans some credit. We're not going to go to this next Batman and go 'Wait! I thought Batmans was George Clooney! FUCK THIS!' and then we shit all over ourselves because we're obviously painfully subnormal. Basically, Fox, if you happen across this when you Googled for the public's opinion, you need to listen close...DON'T KILL OFF CHARACTERS BECAUSE ACTORS DON'T WANT TO PLAY THEM ANYMORE. The Batman franchise would have been salvageable after Burton left if you'd left the Joker a viable option for a sequel. Fuck, even Lucas didn't kill off Darth Vader or Boba Fett until the last movie. Let me be the first to say that I don't give a flying fuck at a rolling donut if Halle Berry plays Storm or even if Jackman plays Wolverine...if you write the script that the dipshit actors want, then it all becomes a giant wank-off...like Batman and Robin. Bewaaaaare....BEEEEEEWaaaaRRRREEEee...(in my best pirate ghost voice)[/profanity laced diatribe]
June 6, 2005, 4:52 a.m. CST
I put most of the blame on FOX since I don't think Marvel has much of a say in this (even if Avi Arad hasn't turn into Eric Bischoff). Marvel is clearly just mining as much gold as they can from their properties while FOX seems to be taking two steps forward and three steps back with a franchise that was evolving quite nicely.
June 6, 2005, 4:55 a.m. CST
by Bargin Hunter in 3D
For vulgar, rasist and pre-pubescent blather on this sight? Or from this point when I check the "by-line" I have to know to just skip the post in it's entirety. When site is good, it's great, but when it's bad, it's down right nauseating.
June 6, 2005, 5:15 a.m. CST
rabbisodomy's already picked up his midnight tickets for the dukes of hazzard (apparently)... but in other news, batman is coming! fuck all this X-Men/Ratner bullshit.. i'd take Shatner for an even trade over this one. i'm gonna rent this movie from netflix and not return it. BROTHER
everyone come sign my petition for chris nolan to direct X-4 ten years from now (which is how long it will take for this stinky X-3 shit to blow over)!!!
June 6, 2005, 5:40 a.m. CST
by Serious Black
Killing characters is fine (very fine if one of the characters is Berry/Storm), but why completely rehash the plot from the last film? Especially when the plot of the last film was the weakest part of the movie. As of this point I've resigned myself to the fact that this is probably the end of the X-Men franchise. It was fun while it lasted.
June 6, 2005, 5:42 a.m. CST
Bratt Ratshit's a cunt. This film will be absolute fucking dung. End of.
June 6, 2005, 5:49 a.m. CST
got a so-so script? throw in a character death. hey, if its really bad, throw in THREE. it will make the audience forget about the bad movie they're sitting through. (with the exception of DODGEBALL) (yes, someone actually died in that other than the audience) ( no, i will never admit to sitting through it) was the movie bad? i dont remember, but so and so DIED!! they wont stop talking about it! everyone will run to see it! my first reaction anytime i hear "character death" is "cop out". even more so if you hear about it IN ADVANCE. -as in "before the movie has even started filming".
June 6, 2005, 5:50 a.m. CST
Ratner is a fucking awful director, anyone who says he is ok or good has lowered their standards waaay to much for my liking. Ok i conceed he will do better at the action set pieces (mind you that has more to do with singer) than Singer, but we won't care about the characters so even if he comes up with something great no one will give a shit.
June 6, 2005, 6:10 a.m. CST
by Karl Childers
I'm sure there will be plenty o' comic-relief in this one.
June 6, 2005, 6:11 a.m. CST
Seems like they got what they wanted. A movie by committee director. Someone who will entertain every stupid studio idea, and ignore the source. Watch An Evening with Kevin Smith and look for the Jon Peters/Spider conversation. That's how movies are made in many cases.
June 6, 2005, 6:20 a.m. CST
...what exactly about Ratner's direction made 'Red Dragon' an "awesome job?" If you liked it better than 'Hannibal,' that's called STORY. Don't confuse the two. 'Red Dragon' was an affectation of 'Silence of the Lambs' and nothing more, the only independent decision perhaps coming when Ratner decides to show Dolarhyde's house instead of Dolarhyde while he's exercising. He's okay at making shit look pretty, but that's basically it. Take a look at the resume, take a look at the films he ends up directing. Studios get him to make bad movies.
June 6, 2005, 6:22 a.m. CST
Lest we forget, Maggie Grace is still playing Shadowcat, and two major characters are dying, and one major character is losing their powers, and the story is recycled from 'X2.' Fuck this.
June 6, 2005, 6:40 a.m. CST
by The Pusher
No sir. Not at fucking all.
June 6, 2005, 6:43 a.m. CST
by Evil Chicken
How is it possible to ignore the Jean Grey/Phoenix storyline? I know that it's early in the game, but seriously - how?
June 6, 2005, 7:11 a.m. CST
by Dragon Man
They've gone from Merlot to McDonalds in one fell swoop.
June 6, 2005, 7:18 a.m. CST
June 6, 2005, 7:21 a.m. CST
by Jon E Cin
Sucks cause I loved X2...oh well.
June 6, 2005, 7:34 a.m. CST
by Judge Doom
Ya know, a X-men movie with really hot chicks, a crazy wolverine, no more shakespere bullshit between Magneto and Chuck, that
June 6, 2005, 7:40 a.m. CST
That means probably no thematic continuity through the films at all. Ladies and gentlemen, there is no X-men theme.
June 6, 2005, 7:46 a.m. CST
also, yeah. Bratner is competent. What do you want? Superhero movies are film fast-food.
June 6, 2005, 7:58 a.m. CST
by Biko Salamar
we all showed our hatred for Ratner, it didn't change shit.
June 6, 2005, 8 a.m. CST
by Mr. Profit
X1 was given a pass because it was the 1st movie and we all were dying to see an Xmen film for years. But then X2 came out and for some reason brainwashed all the fan boys. It was not as great as people think it is. The Xmen fucking rule, so the fact that they all defer to Wolverine in X2 when the damn is collapsing is idiotic. Rogue was a character than never worked in the film. She was much stronger in the comic. And then I dont recall Magneto being near death and a homosexual. Now I love Gandalf, but he's not Magneto. They should restart this franchise a couple of years from now. It's sad when the storylines of the cartoon are more exciting than the Xmen films. They were never great movies, but they were OK and never lived up to the huge potential they had. Why introduce silly characters like Shadowcat when you can reimagine the ones you fucked up. Change the actress playing Rogue and make her more dangerous. Replace Halle Berry with Sanaa Lathan as Storm. Keep Wolverine, Nightcrawler, and Professor X. Get rid of Kelsey Grammer as Beast and hire Dominic Purcell. And dont make Angel a girl and dont kill off any mutants. This movie will flop and it's all due to the greed of Avi Arad. I do hope DC kicks their stupid asses. I was never a DC fan, but they seem to be getting shit right lately.
June 6, 2005, 8:06 a.m. CST
Oh man. This is like a great comic run coming to and end. which I'm sure X-men fans are used to. Why can Whedon get on this!? Astonishing X-men is great! Cameron?...The guy doing Batman! someone who knows sci-fi/action? Even though Juggernaut is supposed to be in this one and he is my fav, I will not see a generic MArvel movie. And you're right Batman looks amazing. it's like a dream come true. and I know Fantastic Four is for the kiddies. Why do they always do this when movies are good. oh well, at least i have x-men 1 and 2 at home.
June 6, 2005, 8:11 a.m. CST
by Mr. Profit
*Dam. Also when I said near death I meant the physical condition of the actor playing Magneto. Magneto is diesel in the fucking comic, not an old gay man. The scene in X2 where Magneto is whispering to Mystique giggling about Rogue's hair was so out of place. They were talking like girlfriends.
June 6, 2005, 8:15 a.m. CST
June 6, 2005, 8:15 a.m. CST
We will have our payback when this film completely blows and Marvel realises what a mistake they made, but I don't want payback - I want a good film. The X-MEN franchise was the one of the best comic book-to-film franchises, just because there was just SO much potential for where the story could go. I thought the third one was going to be the biggest yet. The most epic. Now it's all fallen apart, and that is pathetic. It's one thing to think they're doing the right thing, but Marvel and Fox have to know by now that EVERYONE thinks this is a terrible idea. Yet they're trucking on anyway, regardless of what we, the consumers, want - this is just pathetic.
June 6, 2005, 8:16 a.m. CST
X3 will suck. It will stay make money, but will kill the franchise.
June 6, 2005, 8:27 a.m. CST
Ok Rabbi sodomy ,we all get the point.You want everybody on the site to be offended by your over the top vulgar post and now in your best attempt to get banned you've started to include racial slurs. We also know how it's going to end ...Your posts will be deleted , you will be banned and you will copy the posts and send them in emails to the two friends you have and they'll tell you how badass you are.But here's the part your not expecting.... you'll spend the rest of your pathetic life living with your grandmother cause even your parents don't want you,and you will never get laid.The only Gaping Asshole and tears you will ever take part in is when you run into someone like me who is going to put his foot up your Ass and then piss on your face.All i can hope for is if that guy isn't me that at the least he will be black.
June 6, 2005, 8:40 a.m. CST
Here's hoping Sony just gives Raimi a shit-ton of money to let him keep making Spider-Man films.
June 6, 2005, 8:47 a.m. CST
by Sans Souci
When word was that Vaughn was shying away from the Phoenix Saga, I was miffed since its the quintessential X-men story. Now that Ratner is in place, I'd be glad if they don't address it all. A story like Dark Phoenix has to be done just right or not done at all. At least there was a little Fiery Famke in X2. It'll have to suffice!
June 6, 2005, 8:50 a.m. CST
by Larry Jay
I was peturbed that Singer left. But seeing what he's doing with Supes makes that forgivable. I was willing to accept Vaughn because he had a nice turn in Layer Cake. But RATNER? Now I happen to like the first Rush Hour, but quite frankly that movie could have been directed by a oxycontyn addicted monkey. Jackie Chan made that movie with his style and skill. Red Dragon? Well, it takes a lot to fuck up a Hannibal Lecter story and he seems to have done a fuck all job of that. WHAT THE FUCK IS AVI ARAD thinking? GET MARVEL STUDIOS UP AND RUNNING so that we don't have to depend on FOX SUITS to get OUR comic book movies made properly. FUCK FOX, they cancelled FUTURAMA.. ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!!
June 6, 2005, 8:55 a.m. CST
I don't think this is a total disaster but Ratner also won't turn in a great film. He's one of those hacks without his own style. Red Dragon (maybe his best movie - but still not very good)just copied the directing style of Jonathan Demme and Silence of the Lambs. Marvel has to aim a lot higher instead of aiming for mediocrity!
June 6, 2005, 9 a.m. CST
by Larry Jay
You SERIOUSLY need to shut the fuck up with that racial shit. You want to hang that shit on a board? Go to yahoo with the rest of the neo-con racist scum.
June 6, 2005, 9:05 a.m. CST
why would they hire a hack and rush this into production? wouldn't they want the best director they could get so they could blow superman out of the water?
June 6, 2005, 9:19 a.m. CST
June 6, 2005, 9:30 a.m. CST
At least there's "Superman Returns" to look forward to.
June 6, 2005, 9:30 a.m. CST
Fucks sake Fox, Avi, Marvel who ever! Why??? Cracks me up the way Goyer etc etc etc worked on Blade, Marvels first real break, Singer obviousley, X Men, as it has been pointed out WB lookslike they offered a little more incentive to them and got them working up a storm on their prize projects. Looks like all Marvel have left is Spidey three, FF is going to be at best fun, at worst Batman and Robin.
June 6, 2005, 9:32 a.m. CST
Read it last week. Hilarious. Also, check out the piece on the Onion in which they grade fucked up and bad audio commentaries on DVD. It's fucking awesome.
June 6, 2005, 9:38 a.m. CST
The news about Brett Ratner or this Rabbi Sodomy fellow posting his hate-mongering on the site. If Rabbi Sodomy speaks for any portion of the fanbase then I guess its just desserts Ratner is directing this series into the ground, because racist fuckwads do not deserve good entertainment.
June 6, 2005, 9:51 a.m. CST
Personally, Ratner isn't bad. The "Rush Hour" films were pretty entertaining, and "Red Dragon" proved that Ratner could make a better Hannibal film than Ridley Scott - which is impressive considering Scott's work. Hell, "After The Sunset" was entertaining as well. So I am fine with Ratner. I am, however, worried about the screenplay. I hope they don't pull a Moldavian massacre on the mutants. I'm guessing Magneto gets it, but I hope I'm wrong. I'd either knock off Storm or have Halle Berry replaced. But yeah, hopefully they fix whatever tweaks are needed. I'm still holding out for X3. It'll at least be better than the Fantastic Four, guys.
June 6, 2005, 9:53 a.m. CST
I remember when Batman and Superman where all in trouble and things on X-Men where going really well... Guess the Table has now turned... But the difference is we never got those bad versions of Batman and Superman where this sounds like we'll get that bad version of X-Men... let's just hope they can realize it's not gonna work and put the project on ice 'till they can find the right way to make this one work... but hey, it's that time in cinema where producers associate dollar signs to the comic book genre and will mass produce any comic book related thing and will rush all of them cause they want to release it will the comic book genre is still hot... when will they learn that it's not the period that makes a genre hot, it's the movies it-self that creates that kind of wave/buzz... After the Disaters genre, the Horror genre, the War genre... we are now in the comic genre and like all others, as time goes by, the quality of the product goes down as well with always a few exceptions... Well, the sings are all there so I am starting to get worried.
June 6, 2005, 9:55 a.m. CST
by Rhett Butler
June 6, 2005, 9:55 a.m. CST
by pogo on my own
the decision to hire the creator of a failed television seriers, and a soon the be failed Movie. Joss Whedons movie looks terribly average. Give Ratner a chance if nothing else he does make entertaining movies.
June 6, 2005, 10:02 a.m. CST
Not great, not crappy. Just average. The X-Men deserve better than average, so let's hope Ratner steps up his game a bit. Probably not, but here's hoping.
June 6, 2005, 10:13 a.m. CST
The jackass who said that if Superman works, then Singer will be in the Spielberg, Cameron level is an idoit. Singer is a mediacore director at best, not better or worse Ratner. Yes, the Usual Suspects was a good movie, so was Apt Pupil, but he is not even in the same sport as Cameron and Spielberg, so let's just get off of Singers balls for a while. Ratner can do no worse than Singer with the x-men movies. Even a good director can't make a piece of shit film much better. Remember Spielberg directed "The Lost World and The Terminal.
June 6, 2005, 10:14 a.m. CST
Seriously. Any decent scriptwriter could work in a reason why Magneto, Storm, or whoever else (Prof X?) look different. How about a "fountain of youth" element? Recast Magneto as a young man- It was done in the books! And Storm? Simply cast Angela Basset or Iman like you should have in the first place, and then say that her appearance as a younger woman was an illusion created by some piece of super technology- Or don't say anything at all! We'll forgive you! Killing them off, though? That's just lame. And Ratner? Ugh. Maybe they should just give up while they're ahead and scrap the project.
June 6, 2005, 10:14 a.m. CST
Serenity will probably be a box office "failure". Because, it will have a good story and well written dialogue, but it won't be full of big dumb explosions, retarded catchphrases, or annoying comic actors. The sad thing is, X3 could have pulled in the built-in audience it has regardless of director, and they could have all seen a well directed film from Joss, and then gone back to check out the Serenity DVD.
June 6, 2005, 10:16 a.m. CST
-But please ban Rabbi Sodomy. I can tolerate a lot, but that kind of racist assholish rantings should not be allowed or encouraged.
June 6, 2005, 10:17 a.m. CST
by Trevor Goodchild
Just sad that it occured when my personal favourite Marvel characters (Beast and Mr Fantastic) finally get on the big screen. Is Vinnie Jones staying on as Juggernaut?
June 6, 2005, 10:17 a.m. CST
So why so much bitching about ratner, shouldn't you guys be complaining about the script? With a good one, ratner could probably turn out a decent flick.
June 6, 2005, 10:20 a.m. CST
you all seem to forget that Xmen has been turned into a Leather Fetish franchise. They look nothing like the Xmen I know from the comics. And PLEASE let it be Halle Berry that dies. I'd watch X3 just for that!
June 6, 2005, 10:26 a.m. CST
Typical Hollywood bullshit.
June 6, 2005, 10:32 a.m. CST
Marvel and DC have a fetish for killing characters. A character can last decades in print, but in movies, it can last only 6+ hours. Sad.
June 6, 2005, 10:37 a.m. CST
Then again, the rose *would* bloom. And there have been many great scores written for some remarkably awful films. Just look at some of Jerry Goldsmith's projects during the last decade...
June 6, 2005, 10:42 a.m. CST
To me.. ill give Ratner a chance until i see finish product. Schumacher is one of the gayest motherfuckers in hollywood, he is one step away from being in that skit from In Living Color, Men On Films.... he loves camp and total flamboyent gayness.. thats why batman 3 & 4 were fire island gay. Its not like Brett is going to give wolverine hard adimantium nipples or a razor for a cock. Its hard to say what Vaughn would have done with X3 if he stayed on instead of being pussy whipped by his has been model horse faced wife. He has only done ONE movie, its not like he has any track record for sucess yet. It would be like having Kevin Smith come in to direct the Xmen franchise... im sure he would be a great writer for it, but would suck as a director (he doesnt know how to direct action movies, only tell stories) So i think we need to give Ratner a chance and see... Hell, i still think Singer is fucking up superman. From the things i saw so far, Superman looks gayer than 2 guys blowing 3 guys.
June 6, 2005, 10:46 a.m. CST
by Trevor Goodchild
June 6, 2005, 10:54 a.m. CST
That would be neat. Launch a new character in theatres and then carry them over into print.
June 6, 2005, 10:54 a.m. CST
Oh well, one less film to see in the theatre or on DVD. The first two weren't all that great anyway, but this is a guaranteed huge ball of crap with Brett the Ratboy on board. The suits have no bloody concept of telling a good story or any artistic integrity so Brett's their man!
June 6, 2005, 10:56 a.m. CST
June 6, 2005, 10:57 a.m. CST
Have Rosario Dawson appear at the beginning of the movie with a mohawk. And just have Wolverine joke that she looks different. It would be a neat way to get the B.S. out the way. Maybe have her gone in this movie... she could be in Africa dealing with a crisis... (like the terrible genocides going on there)...
June 6, 2005, 11 a.m. CST
by The Founder
Serioulsy? X1 was good more so because it didn't suck. I also liked the chracter development, but the action was crap. X2 was 10 steps in the right direction, and the action was entertaining. Singer handles dramas well, but the man isn't this great director. I think Ratner could do a better job then Singer with action and visuals providing he has the right script, which is a problem unto itself.
June 6, 2005, 11:01 a.m. CST
Ratner is such a poor choice to direct a film that is essentially an allegory of racial intolerence when his RUSH HOUR films are ethnically ignorant.
June 6, 2005, 11:01 a.m. CST
it's not that ratner is a bad director, it's that he's not a particularly good one and he's completely wrong for the project. the rush hour movies and "after the sunset" were light-hearted forgettable flicks, and that's okay because that's what they were supposed to be. however, x-men isn't that kind of movie, and i doubt ratner's ability to handle it. also, fox had a great chance to have the first good comic trilogy and they're going to screw it up to make the start date. there's a script that apparently involves unnecessary death(s) and sex, which are two signs of lazy writing, and with a crap script even the best director in the world can't completely salvage a movie.
June 6, 2005, 11:06 a.m. CST
If anyone thought that I was defending Ratner as a choice because I think he's 'great', or even 'good', you'd need to look up the definition of 'journeyman'. Ratner isn't going to go beyond the bad script or out of his way to put weird sequences in that don't belong (think Ang Lee in the Hulk) to the character. However, just because the guy's competent, doesn't mean I agree with the script ideas, simply that he won't go beyond the script to make a film suck. My point stands with the above comment about 'Red Dragon' vs. 'Hannibal'. Ridley Scott had bowed to the wishes of the studio and recast the character to fit the shitball script which neutered the book. With Red Dragon, which had a strong script, Ratner simply followed instructions and made an entertaining flick without pissing anyone off. Ratner is the directorial version of Peggy Hill, a capable substitute teacher. No one's getting expelled that week, and no one's going to fire him for incompetence. Thank God I'm not the only one who thinks killing off a character permanently is fucking ridiculous. Though, the plot point about the de-mutant thing was done, and well, in the pre-Siege Perilous storyline where all of the X-Men are presumed dead from the battle with the hoodoo Indian villain. Forge zaps Storm with a ray that takes away her powers permanently. Well, as permanently as anything else in the comics. The only thing that seems to be permanent is the death of Barry Allen these days. Anyway, I get tired of knee-jerk reactions to a director simply because they make movies that the so-called 'educated' film fan won't deign to see. Nor can I stand someone attempting to invalidate someoene's point of view because they happen to like something a little puerile. I happen to think that Godzilla '98 was an entertaining spectacle even if it wasn't really a Godzilla movie. With Ratner as director, we'll get an okay movie and leave with: 'It could have been much worse',rather than Schumacher: 'Sweet Jesus, did the Dark Knight's partner just say Cowa-fuck-bunga? I'm out of here.' I have little hope for the Fantastic Four, since the one character they SHOULD have made CGI looks like a turd sandwich in a fedora. I can just picture the director's pitch meeting: 'It's like Barbershop, but with COSMIC RAYS...and white people.' Oh and if you think Jessica Alba could possibly be related to the whitebread kid playing Johnny Storm, get yourself a helmet for that subnormal head of yours.
June 6, 2005, 11:15 a.m. CST
could be paul ws anderson at the helm
June 6, 2005, 11:15 a.m. CST
Lalo Schifrin scored Rush Hours 1 and 2 you know.
June 6, 2005, 11:18 a.m. CST
It all comes down to the script. Let's face it, the last 2 X-Men had a kind of "TV movie of the week" look to them. I know they had a big budget, but man something, either the production design, the cinematography or the direction was off. Everything just kind of felt cheap. Singer did a competent job, but X2 just doesn't hold up to repeat viewings. Watch it again without the hype and you realize it's a good but deeply flawed movie which has a flat and sort of silly ending. Also, the x-men appeared way too powerful at times. I mean, Xavier freezing an entire mall of people? Storm calling down an entire storm system with tens of tornadoes? It took me out of the film. And let's not even get into the serious miscasting of Scott Mardsen as Cyclops. Even Wolverine, where was the berzerker? He just seemed so... calm. Anyways, I could go on. The point is that Ratner is not as bad a choice as you think. He will hopefully make the films look better and possibly take the movie in a different and much needed direction.
June 6, 2005, 11:19 a.m. CST
Am I taking crazy pills, or did they make Alicia Masters black in this movie? What in the huh? Who in the hey? Why would they do that? Make it stop. In the 60's, such casting would be 'brave' or 'commentary on intolerance', now it seems like it's 'having a black actress for the sake of having a black actress', which given the director, I get. I understand. But in the comics she's a blonde white girl. Blonde. White. Iconically blonde and white. It would be like casting Yao Ming as Wolverine to be 'interesting' or 'against type'. With each script and casting decision, I wince at what this movie is becoming. I feel like Devon Sawa in Final Destination, I want to go running in the streets warning people of the explosive shittiness of this movie before people waste money.
June 6, 2005, 11:22 a.m. CST
June 6, 2005, 11:25 a.m. CST
Not only does he have no visual style to speak of, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but he doesn't leave any sort of imprint on the movies he makes. They all mean nothing, be it 'Money Talks,' be it 'Rush Hour,' be it 'Red Dragon,' be it 'The Family Man,' especially be it 'After the Sunset.' They're all pretty meaningless, 'Family Man' sort of excluded, but especially because they're all directed by the same person. Ratner doesn't give a shit about what kind of a story he's telling, one way or another. He's just a mercenary. And regardless of whether or not he has more chops than Matthew Vaughn or Bryan Singer, which I doubt anyway, they at least wanted to communicate something through the X-Men movies. I'm sure Fathead could care less, and for that, Shuler-Donner calling the move "trading up" is indefensible.
June 6, 2005, 11:33 a.m. CST
I can defend it, from a money-grubbing exec's point of view. They finally have a script that doesn't make one of the superstars attached to the flick say 'No! I don't wanna!', and I bet Vaughan would have tinkered with the story to make it watchable, pissing off the guy who plays Nightcrawler and the broad who plays Storm. To an asshole film exec, a guy who's willing to just do the job and make the movie, and knows his place is a step up from an iconoclastic (and as yet, untested) entity in Vaughn. That doesn't make what she said true or copacetic. Shuler-Donner is just a studio parrot who simply reads whatever copy they hand her for interviews. And the best part about Ratner's lack of 'signature' means that if the movie is a backfire of Batman and Robin proportions, it won't stink of his directing for eight years afterward, and there will be a franchise to speak of. Not a franchise killer, this Ratner, more a director who will deliver the studio's request: Another genre film for the fanbase to spend money on, like Star Trek IV.
June 6, 2005, 11:40 a.m. CST
June 6, 2005, 11:41 a.m. CST
With this comes a serious blow to credibility, if such a thing exists on TalkBack, but this is the first movie I've ever seriously considered boycotting. Even if it turns out halfway decent, it was made with a total and conscious disrespect for the fans of the material. I can't in good conscience support that, especially when it doesn't service the movie in any meaningful way. I was actually behind a lot of controversial changes that Marvel's films have made to the characters, such as (and still) repositioning Dr. Doom as a conglomerate, dressing the X-Men in black leather and giving Peter Parker organic webshooters (and, ridiculous that it should have been so controversial in the first place, making the Kingpin black). But steamrolling ahead with a production that's struggling to get it together by its projected/mandatory release date? Casting a somewhat hot, mildly talented, cheap actress as Shadowcat more because of the TV show she's affiliated with than anything else? Hiring a director fanboys obviously despise, *especially* fanboys considering the outcry against him when 'Superman Returns' was still trying to get off the ground? Recycling plots from old movies? Why? Why why why? Has Arad officially lost the pulse of his fanbase, or is Tom Rothman of FOX just such an overwhelming nincompoop that he and his minions' "notes" have sabotaged Marvel's intentions? If you wanted to go against the mob's best wishes for the right reasons, maybe you wouldn't have stuffed 'X3' with so many new characters (and kissed off so many old ones; replacement actors be damned). But instead, you go out and "trade up" by acquiring a man whose idea of a pet project is directing Mariah Carey videos. It's absolutely disrespectful, and if Marvel and FOX aren't forced to learn through a disasterpiece of a film next summer, I can at least vote against that kind of policy with my own wallet. Will it make a difference in the long run? Probably not. But at least I'll know that I won't have taken it in the pants and asked for more.
June 6, 2005, 11:47 a.m. CST
I understand why Ratner is such an appealing director to people who are concerned with the business end of filmmaking, but that doesn't mean I agree with it.
June 6, 2005, 11:56 a.m. CST
Here's an idea. Let's wait until this movie actually hits the theaters before panning it. You people are acting like Paul W.S. Anderson is directing X3. I said it once and I'll say it again: Brett Ratner is NOT a bad director. He's not mind-boggingly great, but he at least puts out entertaining movies. Just give him a chance. Personally, the news about Brett Ratner directing came as a pleasant surprise, compared to the relatively unknown Vaughn. But then again, I prefered Christopher Columbus to that other guy for the Harry Potter movies, so we'll see.
June 6, 2005, noon CST
We all know your attempt to take over X3 is an effort on your part to revive Mariah Carey's acting career...and to be honest we've seen enough of her on MTV cribs and VH1 reruns of "Glitter"...If any attempt to replace Berry for Carey as Storm (although many of us would be happy with a replacement) is discovered we will hunt you down and throw all available copies of "The Emancipation of Mimi" at your head!
June 6, 2005, 12:02 p.m. CST
Can't wait for another "troubled production" comic-based movie. As far as deaths go, didn't I read that Kelly Hu would be back???!! How could you get any deader? So what does "dead" really mean? I totally support replacing Halle Berry, as she was wrong for the character, and her attempts at an accent were laughable. So much so that she didn't even try one for part two! But I do oppose "killing" main characters for just one film. Smacks of cheap plot devices. The writers could just not include them in this installment. And I really hope that industry people who read these talkbacks are aware that most people who read comics and go to comic-based movies do not post these ridiculous inflammatory "That is so gay" comments and other idiocy I will not repeat. You people that post this way are pretty much posting bathroom-wall grafitti. Your credibility is just shining through! And probably the reason we keep getting more films like man-thing rather than spider- man.
June 6, 2005, 12:11 p.m. CST
The lovely Lalo has already graced Mr. Ratner's work with a soundtrack... err.... three times now.
June 6, 2005, 12:15 p.m. CST
We KNOW beyond a shadow of a doubt that it's going to be horrible. It is absolutely beyond the realm of possibility that this will be a good film with a script in which major characters are dying and THE RAT is directing. I know I certainly won't see it in theatres. If a large portion of us download it and give a copy to every interested party we know we could potentially make an impact. But whatever you do don't go see it in theaters. Ahh well Marvel is dead. it's been coming people. There is not a single classic film out of hte 50 bazillion they have released off the assembly line. It's so obvious that Avi Arad is a snake who doesnt give a shit about the characters and that Harry and Mori sell him to us as anything else is disgusting. Anyone could have seen this coming, it's just the nail in the coffin.
June 6, 2005, 12:17 p.m. CST
"Even if this film turns out halfway decent..." But yeah, I *so* "panned" this movie already. I criticized FOX's policy, and I still do, because guess what? If this movie turns out good, it's a coincidence. The decisions that have been made in the last month or so have NOT been made with our, the audience's, best interests in mind. If you think I'm pissed because Ratner "is so lame/gay/meaningless adjective," you're only half-right, if at all.
June 6, 2005, 12:18 p.m. CST
by Larry Jay
What kind of X-men fan (and I don't mean the movies) would EVER make a comment like that? Professor X is the MOST POWERFUL mutant mind on the planet. If he can't freeze a mall full of people he doesn't deserve that appellation. STORM IS A WEATHER GODDESS. 10 tornadoes is NOTHING for someone with the mutant power to control the MOST POWERFUL FORCE on the planet. If anything my ONLY argument against the X-Men movies is that their powers have been SEVERELY understated. But don't get me wrong. I love BOTH films. Why? Because I have been waiting for these movies for 40 years of my life. It was a pleasure to see them treated with such respect and obvious love for the mythology. P.S. I do NOT see what you fanboys have against HULK. It did exactly what it was supposed to do and followed the HULK mythology fairly closely. He destroyed property. HE THREW A FUCKING M-1 TANK like a Frisbee. What fucking more did you want? ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!!
June 6, 2005, 12:18 p.m. CST
I like most of Ratner's films. Maybe he can save this one.
June 6, 2005, 12:23 p.m. CST
I'm surprised she's lasted this long in the franchise. When the first movie was coming the story was that she was complaining about being "reduced" to playing a comic book character because of the lack of good roles for black women in Hollywood. She shut her mouth after the success of the first X-men movie and now thinks she's Meryl Streep because she won an oscar. Don't kill off Storm, just cast someone else and give them a small part until the audience forgets all about Halle Berry.
June 6, 2005, 12:26 p.m. CST
Schumacher directing Spiderman 3?.. whats next?... I wish today was a what if issue and not real.
June 6, 2005, 12:32 p.m. CST
June 6, 2005, 12:35 p.m. CST
They want to kill a couple of the major characers? How about this: World without Professor X. This movie can set it up, and the next one can be filmed without Stewart, who's pretty busy voicing American Dad anyway.
June 6, 2005, 12:47 p.m. CST
by Big Bad Clone
June 6, 2005, 12:50 p.m. CST
He's best pals with Michael Jackson. Assuming MJ doesn't end up in prison by the end of the day, I'm placing odds on a cameo as a mutant. Think of the savings in makeup & CGI effects!
June 6, 2005, 1:15 p.m. CST
by Man of Stool
I think that only Elektra and Daredevil didn`t deliver the goods. Screwing X3 like this is just plain wrong. C`mon Avi, use that Hollywood power!
June 6, 2005, 1:18 p.m. CST
by Man of Stool
June 6, 2005, 1:20 p.m. CST
Again, I haven't read the script either. But the Phoenix and Storm are supposed to bite it. There is a lot of Storm shit because Hallie is demanding, and there are supposed to be some other star-demands like positive gay role model mutants in Morlock form, and specific one-liners inserted by writers for specific stars which apparently don't have much to do with the plot. I hope Moriarty can clear this up and prove me wrong on this, because with that and the Rat-Man directing, I fear that I would have to wait for the video. Way to kill a fanchise Fox! The only way I would have any desire to see this now, was if they were showing it on Rebecca Gayheart's naked body and was withing touching range. (seriously Rebecca, I was only reaching for the popcorn!)
June 6, 2005, 1:22 p.m. CST
by Fried Gold
Vaughn's film might have been interesting. Ratner's will more than likely be a By-The-Numbers Production which will make some cash whatever the circumstances. Especially if we get: Chris Tucker as Juggernaut Anthony Hopkins as The Beast
June 6, 2005, 1:26 p.m. CST
"Superhero movies are film fast-food." You don't have to get a chef to make you a darn tasty Big Mac. That's what Rattner is - the 16 year old kid who can stack meat and cheese in the order he's told to. You want fries with that???
June 6, 2005, 1:38 p.m. CST
by andrew coleman
I can and almost already have forgotten Batman and Robin and Superman 3, it is time DC. Marvel only has Spider-man left because they let Raimi do what he wants on his schedule, why don't they learn to do that with every one of their movies? I have no hope for X3 anymore and if Ratner stays on i'll personally boycott it because I hate his hack ass. I really hope the Punisher sequels are going to be as good as Thomas Jane says they are, because otherwise Marvel is finished in my books.
June 6, 2005, 1:43 p.m. CST
Ah well, at least we'll have the sweet memories of X2. Hollywood as usual is keeping up with the proud tradition of mucking up cool franchises with sup-par second sequels i.e. Superman 3; Star Wars: ROTJ; Matrix Revolutions; Blade Trinity; Alien 3; Beverly Hills Cop 3; etc. Lets' hope that Mr. Ratner can snatch awe inspiring genius out the jaws of potential vomit inducing mediocrity and disappointment.
June 6, 2005, 1:43 p.m. CST
...although I'll be the first to say I'll see the movie no matter who's behind it, simply because it's an X-Men film. "Knowing" and "trusting" a director and his/her work will build my expectations, but I don't see myself boycotting over Brett Ratner any time soon. Honestly, I think the film will come out fine. I like some of the early script buzz I'm hearing and Ratner knows where to put a camera, if only to get the point of the scene across. He's not one of the "greats" because he's not THAT inventive, but he can film a scene. And, let's be honest, as much as I really like most of Bryan Singer's work, he's not a visual viruoso on the scale of a Spielberg or a Fincher. He doesn't have the "Singer shot," so to speak, and I would argue that the transition from Singer to Ratner would be much less jolting than, say, the Spielberg to Joe Johnston move in the Jurassic Park films. Ratner might not be David Lean, but he can frame a widescreen image. And Dante Spinotti's a pretty damn fine DP. And, hey, am I the only one who saw the "Diddy" music video? Come on now...
June 6, 2005, 2:07 p.m. CST
Ratner is not a great director, and also not the horrible director he's made out to be by some of you individuals. What he is I guess is an above average hack. So who the fuck else is a studio gonna hire to direct a movie that's already written and cast and needs to start filming right away? You think they're gonna get somebody with a Grand Vision to come in and finish up for some other guy? I mean I agree, it's not gonna be a good movie. But at least they didn't get Joe Chappelle, the guy Miramax always hires for reshoots or to finish movies after the original director gets fed up and quits. Anyway, my question is, they're not gonna put clothes on the blue chick are they, because that would be dumb.
June 6, 2005, 2:20 p.m. CST
"Hehehe let's assfuck those irritating fanboys without lube! Who'll piss them off the most over this Xcrap anyway? Brett Ratner? Do It! They'll pay to see anythign with thier stupid funnybook mutants in it so even if they hate it we'll still make millions. We get kilos of the purest Columbian Flake, We kill the shit out of this crappy mutant buisness, We alienate every boogersucking TalkBacking fanboy fuck, and make millions in the process! There are no losers here! Well except the losers currently bitching about every decision we make on that sorry website...what's it called? Isn't it Awesome? Who gives a shit WE'RE RICH, BITCHES! *snoooooooooort* Tell Zack Penn to kill off some of thier beloved characters too I really want to make those grit eatin',scum suckin',boot lickin',drop kickin',gut grindin',nail bitin',glue sniffin',scab pickin', butt scratchin',egghatchin',sleezy, smelly,pepper bellied, dirty, lousy, rotten, stinkin', freaks suffer. And call Brett Ratner immediatly, Tell him to do to this movie what he wanted to do to Superman. Ahhh I love this job....."
June 6, 2005, 2:27 p.m. CST
June 6, 2005, 2:36 p.m. CST
by Man of Stool
pleeeeease help me
June 6, 2005, 2:39 p.m. CST
by hank quinlan
Lamest idea ever. Brett Ratner. As Jerry said to George: "Good luck with ALL THAT." On my last post I tried to list actual fisthand accounts of why Ratner is the gold standard of hacks. But hey Avi, just kick back with a copy of After the Sunset. Rest easy my man. Marvel got where it WAS by caring about finding the right director and making a great movie out of the material. With this and their other recent decisions like Fantastic Four, they've given that up. Welcome to Batman and Robin Land. You can bet if they're lucky they might get a rent on DVD. But I will be staying the fuck away from this movie. If you told me that one of the greatest arcs in comic book history would be done by one of the worst directors of the last decade, I wouldn't have believed you two years ago. Actually this is just like the old comic book movies we got stuck with when we were kids. And we pulled our hair out going "who made this?" So I guess its just status quo. Where have you gone, Bryan Singer? A weary nation turns its eyes to you. Don't fuck up Superman.
June 6, 2005, 2:46 p.m. CST
is on it's way out the building
June 6, 2005, 2:49 p.m. CST
by Yorkshire Pud
In Sin City. After seeing the fight between Mickey Rourke and Elija Wood. Think Wolverine vs Sabertooth. Robert is good with multi-thred stories and using large groups of characters. Robert Rodriguez would be perfect for this job. TC FOX don't let us down.
June 6, 2005, 2:52 p.m. CST
Well there is Hellboy 2, Sin City 2, Batman Begins, and Jack Black as the Green Lantern to look forward to.....heh just kidding.
June 6, 2005, 2:58 p.m. CST
Harry should look up the registration dates on these Ratner Apologist Studio plants. I bet most of them registered in the last 48 hours. Fox is in a corner now. They are reading all this hate and trying to turn it around with some fake fanboy Ratner buzz. They are thinking that if they fire Ratty at this point, they'll be empowering the fanboys.........what they need to realize is that we've always had the power and they never have. Give us what we want in a movie and we'll go see it a dozen times and buy the DVD and you'll get your damn money. Sell us short and we will kill your franchise for you..........Fox Suits... you need to learn what all good busninessmen know... what even the minimum wage punks at McDonalds know... if someone orders a chicken sandwich, give them a damned chicken sandwich. Don't slip them a big mac with your so-called special sauce running down it because if they ever come back it'll be to get a refund. If you want us to come back, give us the product we've requested. It's not like you sellouts have any pride to defend anyway, so you might as well give us what we want and take the money. It's called BUSINESS.
June 6, 2005, 3:08 p.m. CST
How long was Ratner working on the project as a 'safety net' before Vaughan found out? Did Vaughan go as soon as he knew?
June 6, 2005, 3:08 p.m. CST
And why should Fox give a flying f^&k if this is X-men movie is so crap that no one will ever go see another? Why should they care if the franchise suffers the fate of Batman & Superman and no other film is seen for a decade or two? If there is a 4th X-Men, would it be made by Fox? Or would it be made by Marvel Studios? If Fox is losing the property anyway why would they care about the future?
June 6, 2005, 3:08 p.m. CST
Maybe film fast food is what we get with Daredevil and the Punisher and The Hulk (deals with child abuse issues my ass), but it is certainly not what we as fans deserve and or want. And if you do want that then please leave this site and never come back because you obviously hate film and these characters as a whole. The best films, whether they be action, drama, or otherwise, have characters that you can relate and feel for combined with a plot that is well written and consistently thrills in one way or the other. Comic book films should be no different. In fact if anything it should be easier with comic book films as you have years of rich characterization written out for you already. And yes comic books can be cheesy but all the best plot lines never are as anyone who actually ever read them could tell you. RATner apologists....fucking disgusting.
June 6, 2005, 3:08 p.m. CST
by Larry Jay
Where Marvel is heading if they keep making these kinds of decisions. Well, did anyone catch a glimpse of MAN-THING? That horrid turd went straight to the video dungheap. But I've HEARD (and I NEVER want confirmation of this) thatyou can find a copy at some Blockbuster or another. Doesn't Avi Arad or Stan Lee have ANY say in how their properties are developed? or am I just being naive?
June 6, 2005, 3:23 p.m. CST
by D. Gray
Brett Ratner directing x-3 is like giving a project green light winner a chance to direct this movie. The real sad part about Mr. RAT-ner directing x-3 is that this movie is a guarantee blockbuster hit which will then in turn give this 2 dimensional director more credibility in Hollywood then he really deserves, and we all know what that means
June 6, 2005, 3:32 p.m. CST
"but it is certainly not what we as fans deserve and or want." it may not be what fans want, but it's what they deserve. when you go see SHIT in a movie theatre and buy 2-copies of the DVD just because it's a superhero character you like, you get exactly what you deserve. i liked spider-man, but at least i understood it was empty calories and not important.
June 6, 2005, 3:41 p.m. CST
June 6, 2005, 3:48 p.m. CST
Okay. Let it be Halle Berry, the great and powerful actress who couldn't find an accent if it sat on her face, and Iceman, cute guy with zero personality, who find their deaths in the final installment. But even so, isn't Jean Grey supposed to come back as Phoenix Rising? I mean, wasn't that the only payoff in X2? I saw X2 as a sort of Back to the Future 2, the waystation to a possibly better movie (tho' of course that didn't exactly happen as planned). It didn't give me anything new to chew on, it didn't have any great character arcs. But if Jean Grey made it back and they didn't bastardize any more of Wolverine's love interests (seriously folks) and if they introduce our cajun card-throwing friend, it might not make me want to vomit.
June 6, 2005, 3:52 p.m. CST
Red Dragon was just a remake, it was competant but without flavor, style, or any real suspense. Felt like a made for t.v. movie. (plus all the actors were sleepwalking through it) Hannibal on the other hand, while not at all perfect, is a bloody hoot: Splendidly shot, filled with creepy moments and dark, twisted humor (Gary Oldman anyone? Ray Liotta's brain?! Man-eating PIGS for Christ's sake!) It's a movie-geek's big budget horror movie, and I'm always surprised when it gets dissed on this site. . . Oh yeah, and X3 is gonna bite nuts.
June 6, 2005, 4:19 p.m. CST
A potential great trilogy becomes a great duology (?) and a bunch of crappy sequels. Or maybe just one after this tanks. I'm less worried about Ratner than the behind the scenes meddlers who tend to neuter films when they're not fucking them over completely. Pisses me off though - I was looking forward to Vaughan's take. I new this would happen - it's like a comic book plot: DC's titles will rise to start kicking cinematic ass while Marvel begins its inexorable slide into studio whoredom. Sigh.
June 6, 2005, 4:31 p.m. CST
i've worked with the tool (ratner) and can unequivocally say he is a coke-head hack who only got his entrance into hollywood because his family is filthy rich and his uncle in florida is mobbed up. yes its true. Have zero plans to see new x-men movie now.
June 6, 2005, 4:32 p.m. CST
Brothers and Sisters!! Dark,dark days are upon us. Y'know I actually had a foreboding dream where this happened, like a day before Vaughn dropped off, I dreamt that I read online about it and about all the stupid crap that was gonna happen in the script. Ain't that some stuff? Like many of you, I am an mutantphile from way back. The X- Men was my drug, and Marvel was the pusher. People like us gave that corporate entity a heapin' hunk of our change, and helped them get through the otherwise grim n' gritty, creatively retarded 80s. These heroes were as real as friends and family, people we cared about. I have emotionally struggled with this possibility all weekend. Perhaps a bit to much misdirected energy, you might say. And I'll try not to overstate what I and my fellow soldier in the trenches, Ribbons, have said in a previous talkback. But Fox has a franchise that could have led in legendary directions. The only remotely good thing I've read thus far, is that Mr. Ratner is " a comic book enthusiast... among the helmers considered to direct the first "X- Men". [Insert jokes here]Why, I hear tell some folk are actually encouraged, nay, enthusiastic about this development! I understand a lot of wheelin' and dealin' goes on, but when I think of other directors who might've raised this puppy... Ah, well. I struggle to maintain a positive outlook.Heh. What was that ya' all said about "boycotting...?"
June 6, 2005, 4:42 p.m. CST
A good suggestion Mr. (insert names of Fox executives here) would be to back up the Brinks truck to a respected writer around Hollywood, like Robert Towne, Steve Zaillian or Scott Frank, and pay and pray they re-work the material into something satisfactory. Otherwise you're looking at a one-off: a crappy sequel which will make money, but will kill your franchise. I'm not too worried about Ratner. He's just a hired gun there to shoot the pages he's given---anything that a well-trained TV director can do. The key is the story.
June 6, 2005, 4:50 p.m. CST
At least this will delay Rush Hour 3 (and if we're lucky, maybe there will never be one. That is such a horrible piece of cinema I've ever seen). Of course, with the quick production X Men 3 will have, I bet it will look like shite.
June 6, 2005, 4:53 p.m. CST
but I am now no longer excited about it. I may go see it if I like what I see from trailers and reviews. If it looks like it will be good I will probably go see it. However, that is hell-and-gone from how I felt at the end of X2. At the end of that movie I couldn't wait for the next one. Even if they didn't do the Phoenix story I was so very eager to see what they would do next. When Singer dropped out I was disappointed but not despondent. When they signed Vaughan I was wary but not worried. Now that Ratner is at the helm my anticipation has turned to apathy. What should be my "#1, must see movie of 2006" is now a one I might pass on in the theatres. Hell, as of now, I am more interested in seeing Ghost Rider (and I'm not all that keen on that). Dudes, this news is one serious buzz-kill.
June 6, 2005, 4:56 p.m. CST
Ratner has always had a crutch when making movies. And that crutch has really fooled a lot of people in Hollywood to thinking he's 'A' list b/c his movies bring in coin. The truth is Chris Tucker was that crutch in Money Talks, and the combination of Tucker and Jackie Chan (though arguably moreso Tucker)in Rush Hours. Hannible Lector (as a franchise) was the crutch for Red Dragon. But in movies like Family Man and After the Sunset, there was no crutch, and they both failed (on all levels). X3 will make money because his crutch is (once again) a prior established and successful franchise. This will be like Batman Forever, which will warrant a fourth installment. Ratner will not kill the X-Men franchise, but he will cripple it. Basically, X3 will be a throwaway, which means that X4 has to be close to perfect for the franchise to survive and for Marvel to keep sucking us dry of our money. If X3 will be like Batman Forever, we all just have to hope that X4 will not be like Batman and Robin...P.S. I got the title, "X-Men 3: Low X-pectations."
June 6, 2005, 4:56 p.m. CST
When Mory's script review is gonna be posted or why in fact Vauhn left the project?
June 6, 2005, 5 p.m. CST
June 6, 2005, 5:13 p.m. CST
In other words, the general answer of "personal reasons."
June 6, 2005, 5:14 p.m. CST
He is to film making what McDonalds in to fine cuisine.
June 6, 2005, 5:16 p.m. CST
I heard they had a 3 movie deal. Can anyone else confirm this
June 6, 2005, 5:23 p.m. CST
Or do we have to wait through this and the inevitable Joel Schumacher "X-Men and Robin" first?
June 6, 2005, 5:27 p.m. CST
sort of... Joel Schumacher didn't set out to ruin Batman - he always said he'd have loved to have done a tough low-budget Batman film, but he knew from day one that his job was to deliver whatever the movie-illiterate corporate types demanded of him. And he accepted that job where a respected director would have walked. If anything I guess that makes it worse - he knew he was making crap and didn't have the courage to say no... or didn't care enough about the source material. OK, so not such a great defence.. And that's what BR does, he delivers, on-time, on-budget, exactly what his bosses want, with no infusion of spark, soul, wit, character or humanity. And that, in PR parlance is called "spending the brand". It means, you'll earn your money this time, but the public won't be back for more. Whereas "building the brand" is what Stan Lee, Chris Claremont and others - including Bryan Singer have been doing for the last 40 years. The suits at Fox know fine well that they'll get their bonuses this year and won't still be around to take the fall when the franchise dies - because Fox's bosses won't know it's dead until they find their plans for a 4th film met with a shrug from the moviegoing public. The real problems with X3 are in the script as it stands (and some of the casting). The trouble is that a really passionate, committed director would fight to fix a broken script. Brett Ratner will shoot whatever he's given and say "thank you for the Ferrari". Trust me, this is a bad situation.
June 6, 2005, 5:36 p.m. CST
i'm so fucking excited right now. wow so there is a god after all
June 6, 2005, 5:48 p.m. CST
should have read before i posted
June 6, 2005, 5:51 p.m. CST
This will be the first of several talkback messages discussing the decline of the beloved comic book motion picture genre that has taken Hollywood by storm within the last three years. Check that. This is the firs of several messages that will discuss the decline of MARVEL licensed comic book motion pictures. What to expect next? We'll hear Avi Arad shill the shit out of this fat hack from here up until July's Comic Con where rest assured he'll change the topic to discuss how the Fantastic Four may have put up "Hulk" numbers, but did astoundingly well overseas. With all due respect though, I think some of you guys are putting too much concern on Elektra being a sauteed helping of shite earlier this year and using that as a crutch to say every other comic movie Marvel makes will follow that lead. Now don't get me wrong, I'm well aware that aside from Spidey and X-Men, all the other Marvel movies have had mixed reaction from the general moviegoers, and the numbers show it. I just think there's a changing of the guard at 20th Century Fox concerning this thing. And to the rest of you, leave Singer alone. He owes none of you people a fucking thing. He gave one decent X-Men movie, and a really good sequel. He can go do Supes, although I think it will be for him what M Night Shymalan's Village was---a film that shows that no matter how much filmmaking talent you have, it's bound to dwindle. Now Brett Ratner, who I think is an egotistical, non-talented turdball is being talked about how he's a fan and read the comics when he was a kid. My friend also read X-Men when he was 12. Does this mean he's going to getting a voicemail from Lauren Shuler-Donner? Ironically enough, I think X3 will work out, but the weight's going to come from the script and the additions of the new characters. On a final note, why are people treating the addition of Shadowcat like a big fucking deal. And I don't mean the miscasting of the teenage mutant, I'm talking about people mentioning her like she wasn't even in the last two movies. She was, and played by two different actresses no less. If Fox wants to make news, add Gambit or Bishop to the mix. Do they think we're as fucking dumb as Brett Ratner looks?
June 6, 2005, 5:57 p.m. CST
They could've announced that the re-animated corpse of Adolf Hitler had risen from the grave and was devouring babies and it wouldn't have had as much vehement rage as this Ratner business seems to have garnered. I don't neccessarily hate Ratner so much as I don't care. If they hired Uwe Boll or Paul W.S. Anderson, then I'd be openly raging, but this just kind of guarantess a quiet little flame of what could've been more than a bomb of epic proportions... And for the record, I think the Fantastic Four looks fuckin' cool.
June 6, 2005, 5:59 p.m. CST
by Voltron Lions
...directed by Paul Anderson now brings us Brett Ratner' s X-Men 3. Way to go supergeniuses.
June 6, 2005, 5:59 p.m. CST
was terrible. I thought it looked like a GQ ad spread. Did not care for the characters, plot or aesthetics. Vaughn was all hype. He produced Snatch which was a good indie-like crime movie with a lot of great scenes but it was obviously Guy's film. Did not care we either way Vaughn left X3. Rattner is a hack, but there's still hope. Curtiz was a hack and he dropped Casablanca. In fact, a lot of good entertaining films have been made by hacks. X3 might actually need a hack who surrounds himself with good talent, ie DP, Production Designer, FX and trusts them and simply delegates. The reason being that this is a big commercial enterprise and sometimes an auteur's personal vision overwhelms the film in general. Think of Burton - Batman, Lynch - Dune and Ang Lee - Hulk. Now my favorite superhero movie is Donnor's Superman, and I think of Donnor as kind of a journeyman as well. More competent than Rattner but he's not obsessed with interjecting his personal demons into a commercial genre piece. You feelin me? Sometimes delegation if the key.
June 6, 2005, 6:09 p.m. CST
Or at least the right to sign actors for it, according to Vinnie Jones official website he has signed on to do X3 and X4 and X5 if they make them. Why would a studio sign someone to make 2 possible sequels if they thought they weren't going ot have the rights? I know it might just be a safety net and juggernaut might not even make it to another film the way characters are getting offed left and right according to rumors. But it certainly doesnt seem as if Fox is planning on letting go anytime soon. By the way all this stuff is just rumor until the film is cut and playing in theters, but it is still scary. kill anyone you want i guess, but killing professor X is a plain bad idea, just like making a elektra movie and being surprised it didnt do well. By the way, movie making 101, actors are by and large not very bright and couldnt conceive a creative idea if their life depended on it. they make believe well because they have someone telling them what to do. If you let actors influence a script (especially ones like Halle Berry who isn't exactly known for her razor sharp wit or even, good judgement) you are shooting yourself in the foot. Which seems to be what want to do with this picture. I'm not worried about Brett so much, if they are really going to do what these rumors say they are, Hitchcock could come back from the dead to direct this and it would still be shoddy, arbitrary and not what anyone wanted to see. Hey FOX do some of that market research you studios love so much and find out how many people want half the returning cast to die.
June 6, 2005, 6:14 p.m. CST
I think dying is the biggest hobbie in the Xmen. They are constantly dropping like flies and coming back from the dead. How many times now has Prof.X died and come back? How many times has his crippled legs been fixed and then re-crippled? One too many times. I could care less about characters dying in this film. Don't care that Ratner is directing either. All they need is a capable person to see the project through. He's capable. He can follow a script and storyboard. I'd be more worried if he was the director from the start of the project. I'm more worried about his eye for sfx. I wouldn't like this film to look cheap and like a hack shepharded it through. Nothing worse than a director cashing a paycheck (Tim Burton on Planet of the Apes showed his lack of enthusiasm. I fear Charlie and the Chocolate Factory will have the same effect. I hate when he takes on films he's a hired hand on. I'd rather he stick to films that mean something to him like Ed Wood).
June 6, 2005, 6:40 p.m. CST
I'm wary. I don't despise Ratner with a purple passion the way some people here appear to. I don't wish bad things on the man. And I don't wish to spew the idiocy of folks who don't give a fuck one way or the other. I just question his suitability for the project. Hell, Joss Whedon, Guillermo Del Toro, or Robert Rodriguez would've definately made me breath easier. Sorry. What I know about Ratner (which is admittedly little) doesn't inspire much confidence. Used ta make rap videos. I've seen the Rush Hours. Once. Laughed in all the appropriate places. Saw Family Man. My wife liked it. Watched Red Dragon. Surprised me by being okay. Worst case scenario, it'll be critically lambasted and kill the franchise. At best? A majority of people are gonna see it on name recognition,good word of mouth, and some snappy reviews. Ideally, it'll succeed despite troubled production, and hopefully signal less adverse conditions in the future.
June 6, 2005, 6:41 p.m. CST
Not to say that there aren't better directors, because I can name about 15 more i'd rather see, but He makes "Okay" movies. Mainly Popcorn summer Blockbusters with little substance, but hey, that's what happens without Singer!
June 6, 2005, 6:57 p.m. CST
Vynson, I am curious as to why your Business 101 rules haven't applied to the Star Wars franchise. As far as I'm concerned neither Episode 1 or 2 delivered anything remotely resembling what the "customer ordered" - yet both did phenomenal business by any messure. I for one refuse to spend as much as a dime on Episode 3 no matter how many people tell me how much better it is than 1&2. They took my money twice and gave me 4 hours of the some of the most unwatchable shit in the history of cinema. Futhermore, my assesment of 1&2 is - by all indications - the majority opinion. I wish that it were true that fandom held some power - but based on the SW experience and many others - we are completely at the mercy of the mental midgets in power and the masses that willingly buy their swill.
June 6, 2005, 7:04 p.m. CST
Marvel wouldn't allow them to do that. They can kill characters that have been killed in the comics. So just think back about which ones have been offed. Don't just think of hero's Villians die too.
June 6, 2005, 7:22 p.m. CST
If what I've read around the net is true, while this may not be the end of the film series (they are making 2 spinoffs), X3 will apparently mark the end of the main cast. X- Men will keep on with new characters, which it certainly has the potential to do. This kinda diminishes my enthusiasm, since these were the characters I cared about. Bummer. They can make half a dozen "Star Trek" movies with the same cast, but nawadays, that would be a minor miracle.
June 6, 2005, 7:30 p.m. CST
so they can make the movies in house with their new distribution deal through Paramount. I think the reason is evident now why Marvel made that move. Looks like Fox didn't care for this move and is probably purposely sabotaging the last movie, knowing it will make enough returns to pay for itself while damaging the credibility of the franchise with the fanbase. But I'm just guessing.
June 6, 2005, 7:37 p.m. CST
I won't be back here to read anything for those that wish to argue, but Ratner will make the first X-Men movie that won't be cold. There will be color everywhere, a first for an X-Men film. But the guy is not an idiot. Unless he firmly believes turning the franchise into blockbusters the way Schumacher did, I believe he will pay respect to a lot that Bryan Singer has done. He improvised every action sequence with Jackie Chan on both Rush Hour films, and while he won't have that same freedom of spontenaiety here, he will no doubt make the action scenes great; he also has a great eye for lenses and angles. The reason they didn't go with an auter is because they just did - and it was either too much for him or he demanded too much from Fox and they told him to fuck off. Ratner's film career started in this very way. I don't know who the original director was for Money Talks, but Ratner came on board to direct something like two weeks before the cameras rolled. I have faith that Ratner will make X3 a great action movie. Whether it compares to the other two will be seen, but I don't think there's cause to go kill ourselves yet.
June 6, 2005, 8:04 p.m. CST
...because you're a plant. Ratner's okay with "lenses" and "action." Whoopdee-doo. Doesn't address the fact that the story can and probably will suck and he'll just accept it because he's a tool.
June 6, 2005, 8:35 p.m. CST
If it is true that Fox is purposely sabotaging the last X-Men movie to damage the franchise before it reverts back to Marvel and their distribution deal with Paramount, it seems to me that Marvel would have a basis for a massive lawsuit against Fox. Would a high-level corporation like Fox actually make such a legally dangerous move? It could cost them all sorts of millions of dollars.
June 6, 2005, 8:37 p.m. CST
Sobchak, I would suggest that the Star Wars franchise did give the fans what they wanted: more cowbell....I mean, more Star Wars... only we didn't know what the story was at all and we knew that Lucas, as the creator, was going to be involved. Ratner is hardly to X-Men what Lucas is to Star Wars. With Star Wars we knew we'd get the payoff in EpIII and we do. We knew that Lucas' dialogue would be weak, which it is, and that his love scenes would suck, which they do. So I would suggest that Bus. 101 works fine. I understand that you didn't get everything you wanted... I liked some of Ep I. Thought Ep II was unnecessary... but people kept going... someone was getting what they wanted. Maybe I'll be proven wrong by countless hordes of fans who just have to see X-3 twenty times each. I doubt it, but I really don't care. I don't plan on wasting my time or money. I don't buy Pepsi just because it has Yoda on the label. I don't eat Spider-Man cereal. I won't go see a muddy pigfuck just because it's got an X-Men logo on it.
June 6, 2005, 8:57 p.m. CST
It makes perfect sense why they hired Ratner. If you looked at this imaginary list of the top A-list directors they go to with each hot property around town, he's the least likely to fuck it up. He will bring nothing to the table on any level, but he's competent and capable. This will end up being a middling, forgettable affair, like the first X-Men. I will guarrangoddamntee that Superman will be infinitely better than X3. If Fox felt they could get away with a contract hit on Singer in retaliation for jumping ship, they probably would. (In spite of his ecstacy induced bouts of lunacy while direcing) Vaughn was a classy, creative, and possibly brilliant (we'll never know) choice -- but things didn't work out. But... you can't fault the guy. If you were married to that, and she wouldn't relocate to Vancouver for a year, you'd probably quit the film and go back to your life of consistent, great sex and domestic bliss. He won't be the first guy that made a bad decision based on his dick, but it will always happen.
June 6, 2005, 9:05 p.m. CST
I haven't discounted X3 out of hand, because I believe you can make the best of what you have. You've just been handed what could quite possibly be your Golden Ticket. I dunno. Maybe this is the chance you've been waiting for. Don't fuck it up. Don't get cute and turn it into a cheesefest. If you can't improve on what has gone before, buck up. Be a mensch, and stick with what works, okay?
June 6, 2005, 9:17 p.m. CST
by delving into the phoenix saga, one of the most popular and entertaining story arcs in the history of the x-men. as long as the screenwriter knows the series and the producers shut the hell up, it should be a no-brainer. the script is the key, the director is virtually immaterial. if they blow this, i'm turning in my 2 no-prizes to stan lee personally.
June 6, 2005, 9:27 p.m. CST
Brett Ratner....wasnt he the premature ejaculating ticket scalper in Fast Times at Ridgemont High?
June 6, 2005, 9:40 p.m. CST
Look we all know we're all going to see it, especially the ones screaming boycott. The trailer will look cool and you fuckers will go. Personally I'm not thrilled with Ratner, but he's gotta be better than Paul Anderson (the "other" one, not P.T.) or Schumacher. Anyway here's the answer if you're pissed: just DON'T GO ON OPENING WEEKEND... There. That's the only weekend that counts. When something that's supposed to be huge like this opens even on number 2, it's considered a bomb and people who would have gone to see it end up skipping it. Just hurt the opening weenend and then go later since you know you will anyway you bigtalking skanks.
June 6, 2005, 10 p.m. CST
When Vaughn took this job did he think he would be filming in London? I doubt it. This smacks of a control issue and pressure from Fox. Vaughn didn't want to deal with the bullshit so he split.
June 6, 2005, 10:01 p.m. CST
by monkey tamer
If we really want to send a message to Fox boycotting the movie isn't enough. Everyone on this message board that is royally pissed that Fox had the nerve to hire Ratner and ruin the X-men franchise needs to kill themselves. That would send a message! I would join you all, but I have a life, and friends, and more important things to worry about. But if I didn't have those things, and, oh, maybe common sense, I'd be right there with you!! Power to the people! Make Fox pay for destroying the X-Men franchise with all your time, energy and lives!
June 6, 2005, 10:10 p.m. CST
At least we have 2 good X-Man films we can watch. This one can be like Superman 3 & 4, we can pretend it doesn't exist.
June 6, 2005, 10:10 p.m. CST
by Johnny Ahab
You gotta hit these asshole execs where they live -- their wallets. Now I know y'all want to see the film, Ratner regardless, and if you go 2nd weekend, they will still gross that. You want these assholes NOT to receive your money, not to be rewarded for ignoring YOU, the fanboys who made X-men a valuable property worth adapting in the first place -- so what to do? You go see it at a mega-plex where the movie's playing every half hour, but give your money to a smaller film that could use the box office boost -- then you sneak into X3. Seriously. Help a more deserving film financially, while going to see the film. Personally, I'm more worried about the script than the director at this point. If the script blows, then even the coolest director in the world can't save the project. If the script is airtight brilliant, Ratner will do a serviceable job. But it all starts with the script.
June 6, 2005, 10:29 p.m. CST
Hey, there have been SO many dumbass decisions by Fox TV,like canceling Firefly, Wonderfalls, Space: Above and Beyond, to name three. Does this Rothman have anything Fox TV and decisions like that? Just trying to point the Big Fat Finger of Blame....
June 6, 2005, 10:32 p.m. CST
Hey, there have been SO many dumbass decisions by Fox TV, like canceling Firefly, Wonderfalls, Space: Above and Beyond, to name three. Does this Rothman have anything to do with Fox TV and/or decisions like that? Just trying to point the Big Fat Finger of Blame....
June 7, 2005, 12:10 a.m. CST
I cannot believe they've Ratnered the XMen! Screw the suits at Fox! Honestly, I cannot think of a worse choice. Well, maybe McG. This is a guy with exactly ZERO vision. He only has a career because of the obvious chemistry between Tucker and Chan. And it sounds to me like he couldn't even keep that one afloat. Is Fox so intent on ruining the X franchise? This just stinks to high heaven like Batman. Guess I'll have to wait 10-15 years for someone with a real vision, ala Nolan and Batman, to come along and fix this mess. Fuck Fox and fuck Ratner!! I won't pay a dime now to see this movie. I hope Fox studios burn to the ground and all the suits die in the fire! This in UNFORGIVABLE!! What are you thinking Lauren Donner? Ratner is, at the very best, a HACK. More likely, he's an untalented piece of shit who needs to be banned from ever filming again. I wasn't to sure about Vaughn, but after watching Layer Cake, I at least thought he had some talent and might be able to pull it out, ala John Gulagher on Project Greenlight. But I know what Ratner does and I wouldn't give a squirt of piss to save him if he were on fire. FUCKING HACK!!!!
June 7, 2005, 12:30 a.m. CST
Oh, the FF thing...sorry, it just occurred to me as we were talking about comic movies and things people do to wreck the zeitgeist around a certain set of characters. My point about Ratner is that if the script sucks, the movie will be a competent sucky movie (The Girl Next Door). If the script is the next Ichii the Killer in terms of cool, and Citizen Kane in terms of character study, then expect a competent movie, period. Nothing in the universe can make me believe that Ratner is a fan of comics. Also, hate to burst any bubbles, but Singer didn't even read the frigging comics until he was going to direct the movie. So, the first film exhibits a non-fan's point of view: Fuck the X-Men, Wolverine kicks ass. The second film is a new fan's take on a sample adventure. Hey, some of these stories are pretty good. Hey, the love triangle is entertaining enough....Fuck that, Wolverine kicks ass, more Wolvie! Oh, and put in a teleporting blue guy. No sense in only aggravating a female with blue paint on this production! Man, I hope it's the latter instead of the former. But oh well. At least Ep III was watchable.
June 7, 2005, 12:30 a.m. CST
I looked all over the Fox Films site looking for any email address to beg them to reconsider (not that I really think this will actualy get Ratner off the project), but there wasn't anything I could find. Has anyone else found anything? I know there's little likelihood that a bunch of angry fan email will change anything but I'd like to at least know I did everything I could. Please post anything you have.
June 7, 2005, 12:31 a.m. CST
by Grammaton Cleric
No fucking shit, and they shouldn't. They care about making tons of cash...that's what they do. Don't get it twisted, they're not in it to please the nerdy comic fan...they want to mainstream as much as possible. Sometimes you get lucky and get a creative team that digs the source material and brings it to the screen with care (Raimi, Nolan) and sometimes you get work-for-hire directors that are just trying to come in on budget. Don't sweat it.
June 7, 2005, 12:36 a.m. CST
I don't get why ppl are bitchin' about Ratner. I mean, you guys are bitchin' even BEFORE they made the movie. Bitch after you see. You don't know how it'll turn out. Sure it seemed crappy now, but we wouldn't know would we? ANYTHING can happen, and a lotta ppl here are gonna have to eat their own words if Ratner's X-3's good. The script can change from time to time, they can even change it halfway into the production if they want to, so why bitch now? I like X-Men, comics, movies, cartoons, sure I wanna see a good sequel but I don't know how it's gonna turn out. Sure I was shocked when I found out that Singer left. Dumbstruck when Vaughn left, and surprised when Ratner's the one who's gonna take over. But I wanna see HIS version of the X-Men, I WANNA see X-MEN. I dont care who DIRECTS it, I just want a watchable sequel. When the first X-men movie was released we were all "Singer who?" but it turned out okay, so why don't we give Ratner and co. a chance. All you fanboys can do is fucking whine all day, we want this we want that, then why don't make your own X-Men movie? It's a good thing they don't CANCEL X-3, not yet at least, and let's say they do, what will you do? Whine again, surprise surprise! Look, all I'm saying is that we should cut the boycott crap and for fuck sake just give Ratner a chance. You wouldn't know he's good OR not untill the movie's finished, so CHILL!!! That's my two cents . . .
June 7, 2005, 12:46 a.m. CST
If I remember right Marvel really sold this specific Franchise cheap and didn't get much else on the back end. Think about it Fox has all creative control right now Marvel has little.When singer was there they had Desanto to keep the monkey's off Singers back. If Fox purposely sabotages this movie by bringing in Ratner and all these other god awful choices they are making for casts members and now I hear they are doing the Legacy Virus storyline which means Collossus dies, this is all things that the fans will balk at You may have noticed on tv when a contract dispute or a cancelled show is anounced they usually put those shows on the wee hours of the night. They did it to Sally Jessie Raphael and Maury Povich when he switched networks, why wouldn't they also make an unwatchable movie? This way Fox will either be able to keep the rights or they will be in the position to sell back the rights for a nice chunka money. Let me tell you, the start date for hooting is August 8th for a may 6th release, effects and all. It took Singer the entire year to shoot, edit, get the fx shots done, scored and then release X2, how in hell is any director going to pull off a 9 month production of a full length feature film? I think not. Either this is sabotage or some sorta back alleyway dealings going on between Fox and Marvel. I think in the next weeks we will be hearing about the shoot being rescheduled for another years release or the shoot shutting down and the banks getting all pissy with Fox and Marvel and the actors getting all pissy on everyone. Any scenario no matter what is a total cluster fuck for Marvel. But only time will tell. 9 months to complet a nearly 200 million dollar movie. Ridiculous and anyone that believes this thing is going forward is insane. Either that or shooting has already begun on, the second unit stuff, Pre-production started costumes made, sets built, all that. Time will tell. But something aint right.
June 7, 2005, 12:58 a.m. CST
Is there's like 20 principal actors that all need to be free at the exact same time. Look at what happens when Just Spielberg, Lucas, and Harrison Ford try to get together for an Indy movie. And that's just three people. I don't see there's any way Marvel is gonna push this back far enough to accomodate everyone's schedules, and still make their quarterly profit to their shareholders. They're gonna come up short then it will be their ass to explain why.
June 7, 2005, 1:02 a.m. CST
FoxNow@Fox.com is the only one I have--it may be more for the tv side of Fox, not sure...
June 7, 2005, 1:03 a.m. CST
June 7, 2005, 1:40 a.m. CST
But then if they do follow through with this due date what will be the story when they can't deliver the movie on time. Hell They didn't even finish the effects on X2 and let it go unfinished. Ever notice how shoddy the efx was on the Blackbird sequences? Look closely and you'll notice the half assed unfinished work they had to go with. They spent 120 million on x2 and Lucas spent 113 mil on Ep3 and your going to tell me that's the best Singer and Fox could produce? It took Singer 6 mos to shoot the scenes and another 6 to 8 to get all post production done. How in hell, with a more complicated story, more actors, more scenes and sets, will Ratner or whomever they dig up, be able to shoot the movie in less time while still maintaining a level of quality, getting a good performance out of the actors and get all the stuntwork and pickups and re-shoots done in time as well as getting the EFX houses going to get all the stuff done on time, to score and edit the whole movie, to have it in theaters May 6 or even if they push back to June? A smaller movie yes easily but not a huge flick like this no way. Something is amiss here and the story isn't being told. Common sense alone should let you see that this is not doable in the time alloted.
June 7, 2005, 3:16 a.m. CST
by andrew coleman
Oh and people on this site who bitch about people bitching on this site are idiots. Also I hope Bret Ratner explodes somehow. If he can direcet in Hollywood, I can too and I know I can make a better X-men movie than he can.
June 7, 2005, 3:30 a.m. CST
Brett Ratface will make it kinetic and, alas, watchable.
June 7, 2005, 4:47 a.m. CST
You know...just because you and many others think the movie will be shit,doesn't mean the movie will in fact be shit,so how about you put spoiler warnings so people can actually be surprised when a couple major characters die.Fucking cocksuckers.
June 7, 2005, 4:50 a.m. CST
. . .go on then, make your own movie, no one's stoppin' you, by all means. I'm not saying that ppl doesn't have the right to bitch, they do, but bitch AFTER the movie's out. . . Jeez, and it's not like I'm a Ratner fan, no I'm not, I'm just a nice person who wants this project to be done and over with and I ain't bitchin' cuz I know it won't do any good so there >< Bash me if you want, but I'm still giving Ratner a chance. But if it doesn't work out, oh well . . . let's hope that a miracle can happen and they can make a decent movie in 9 months ><
June 7, 2005, 5:19 a.m. CST
. . . I find it amazing that there are so many people who... 1) Don't like the Rush Hour movies now. These people must have just gotten an internet connection, because there wasn't this much negative buzz around the 'net about Ratner's abilities when Rush Hour 2 came out. 2) Know enough about film directing to think Brett Ratner is terrible. 3) Want Vaughn back, despite all of the negativity he was getting 3 weeks ago. 4) Believe a director is not capable of helming a superhero film if their past credits include action, comedy, thriller, and romance films. Apparently, Ratner is the worst thing since Crystal Pepsi. Who knew? *sigh* . . . bash me all you want ><
June 7, 2005, 5:43 a.m. CST
I think that tell us a lot about his sensibilities - nuff said.
June 7, 2005, 8:33 a.m. CST
June 7, 2005, 11:47 a.m. CST
The Sentinels or Nimrod would be great on screen. We've already had The Brotherhood (evil mutants), and the human mutie haters. Why rehash the same old shit? The X-men in space stuff would be too much for the public to handle. Oh, and lose Ratner. The best thing he's done was Red Dragon, and that was a verbatim copy of Manhunter using the people who worked on Silence of the Lambs. It might as well have been on auto pilot. Brett can stick to putting fans in front of Mariah in her videos.
June 7, 2005, 11:57 a.m. CST
So someone can come back with an X-Men Begins, featuring Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Iceman, Beast and Angel as teens taking on a brotherhood consisting Magneto, Toad, Mastermind, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. Then they can add Havok and Polaris in the sequel to battle Juggernaut, and end the movie with the X-Men being taking captive by Sentinels, then have Storm, Wolverine, Colossus and Nightcrawler come to their rescue in 3, having Jean transform into Pheonix while piloting a shuttle back from the Sentinels orbiting base, then go all Dark Phoenix thanks to the return of Mastermind. Then 4 could show the entrance of a 14-year old Kitty Pryde instead of a twentysomething castmember from Lost, featuring Mystique's Brotherhood and a taste of Days of Futures Past (or even the actual "God Loves, Man Kills" Reverend Stryker story) which culminates in the Mutant Massacre, which causes the surviving X-Men to go underground Down Under. It so easy, dammit. Just take the over-arching plotlines for each team line-up and use them to fuel stories that can build a franchise at least as long as the Bond movies. And you can do so without caving in to celebrity demands by adding new characters IN THE ORDER THEY SHOWED UP IN THE BOOKS! Feel free to skip over the whole Marrow/Maggott/Joseph the Magneto Clone nonsense, however...
June 7, 2005, 1:18 p.m. CST
Sure Bryan went overboard on the blue, turning in two films with less palette than Swordfish, and simultaneously toning down Wolverine's character too far, while over-elevating his status in the story. Other characters in X1 and X2 were also underwritten. Prof X lost all of his hard-edged qualities, turning into Generic Wise Leader. Cyclops was under-used, miscast and almost left out of a story he should have been central to. I liked what they did with Rogue and Iceman... but overall, big room for improvement. It takes a committed, conscientious director to kick a series like this into high gear. I was underwhelmed with both Rush Hours, mainly because I'd seen Shanghai Noon and it was just plain better. I've watched enough movies to know BR has never shown much quality, and as for Vaughn, he was taking the movie in the wrong direction but Layer Cake was a movie with an ambition to edify while it entertained. X3 is in trouble, and needs a champion, not a 2nd rate journeyman.
June 7, 2005, 2:53 p.m. CST
I watched Ratner's "After the Sunset" on DVD about a month ago and it is one of the worst movies I have seen. I LOVE the X-Men movies and there is a VERY good chance I will skip this film completely. It will take a truck load of great reviews and that seems less likely than an alien invasion. It is clear the studio is simply milking the cash cow at this point, even if they kill the cow in the process.
June 7, 2005, 3:05 p.m. CST
I'm not surprised that everyone is bashing the film before they've seen it -before it even comes out. Sure, Ratner is a mediocre director who makes fun buddy/action movies and music videos, but (and the geeks will probably kill me for this) it's the freakin' X-men series. It's not an arthouse film. It's not an avant-garde thought piece. It's an action film at heart because that's what superheros do, they kick ass. Yes, it's a great story line, and that's what you need, the strength of the characters and the plot. And it's not like Singer was such a visionary director -Usual Suspects is a cult favorite because of a plot twist and decent writing, not because of any exceptional directing and Apt Pupil is just plain bad writing and execution. Yet Ratner will be the one ruining the franchise because he's not Singer and because he makes flicks that the money-grubbing, evil, vampire studio execs love. This guy deserves a chance. He's a studio director making a studio picture. That's what the X-men series is -a cash cow with mediocre acting and one bad ass main character. Plus, Kelsey Grammar as the Beast! Here's to hoping he does it sober!
June 7, 2005, 4:31 p.m. CST
Oldboy-- I'm still praying X3 will turn out all right. But the reason X2 was such a marvelous film, for me, was because of the relationships between the characters, the subtle and entertaining dialogue (seriously, listen to the dialogue in X2 -- for the type of film it is, it's marvelous) and the overall theme of acceptance and hope within the world. That sounds pretty heavy when you're talking a superhero movie, but it's true. If the script is on a par with X2, then there's a chance that Ratner -- who has probably never used the word "subtlety" in his life -- won't be able to screw it up. But we have a one-dimension director paired up with what supposedly is a script that tries to be "daring" and only succeeds in doing the franchise irreperable damage. Hey, if Chris Columbus can direct a movie version of "Rent", then Ratner might be able to do a decent job. Red Dragon was pretty good. But it's more the script that I'm worried about. Because with a director without much vision, like Ratner, the script is 95% of what matters.
June 7, 2005, 4:33 p.m. CST
1) No. 2) No shit. 3) Says the guy who takes his name from 'The Chronicles of Riddick.'
June 7, 2005, 4:53 p.m. CST
Well lets see - they killed Profit which was an awesome show - Dark angel which had promise then got replaced by Firefly - they get good ideas but will ALWAYS suffer because they are Fox. Hell Still Life never got a showing and that was meant to be OK. They want a film that will be incredible and get back 300 million ALWAYS to be a raping piece of shit and bring in 600 million THEY SEE ONLY MONEY!! If they do not get on with creative directors its MONEY! WE WANT WE WANT! Why the fuck do you think the simpson's take the PISS all the time, cos they know the network is shit!
June 7, 2005, 4:57 p.m. CST
June 7, 2005, 6:42 p.m. CST
Ratner did direct Red Dragon, which was decent, so maybe there's some hope for this movie. I like the idea of killing off some mutants, this isn't the comic book, it's a movie and I think it could make it more interesting which the X movies need. Still, it looks like Fox and Avi Arad are starting to really fuck up the Marvel movie empire. Thanks, Avi, you're a real good man, with some great fucking ideas.
June 7, 2005, 9:23 p.m. CST
cunt. I'm watching you...squeeze your twat BITCH! you know what I'm saying? GO screw Ratner, if you like him so much. By the way, I'll have the LAST WORD on this. I WILL NOT be reading TALKBACK for a LONG TIME. So I won't know how YOU'RE going to respond. So just keep your mouth shut and cry, little BITCH!
June 7, 2005, 10:19 p.m. CST
...sometimes people bitch about things they have no control over just because they like to, I don't know, vent? A ridiculous pastime, I know, and I'm sorry for helping to perpetuate ridiculous pastimes. I don't think it will affect change, I'm just pissed at Fox currently (and no, folks, I don't think Ratners is "like the worst director evar") and took advantage of TalkBack as an outlet. Perish the thought.
June 7, 2005, 10:20 p.m. CST
dumb ass. You like pulling childish pranks on these Talkbacks because you think you're pushing people's buttons. Only post if you want to talk movies. You better squeeze your twat, cunt! You know you like this. Stop making racial slurs about Halle Berry. The only buttons you're pushing are the people who are more crazier than you. Watch your back BITCH! By the way, Don't bother posting to respond to this. I WONT BE READING TALKBACK FOR A LONG TIME. So quit acting like calling yourself Sodomy makes you not vulnerable and doesn't bother you because deep down inside YOU KNOW IT DOES! and it bothers you. I won't be on talkback for a long time so get revenge on YOURSELF by shuttin you're dumb pussy up, and just start crying..... Apologies to AICN and fans, but no one was regulating this BITCH for racial slurs and extreme obscenities. I am Vigilante. See you all next year! RabbiSodomy, watch yo back, BITCH!
June 7, 2005, 10:28 p.m. CST
good or bad Harry is gonna give this movie a glowing review.
June 7, 2005, 10:58 p.m. CST
...it's like a shopping list of cliched slurs.
June 8, 2005, midnight CST
People . . . chill!!! Watch your blood pressure, make sure it's not overload. Take a deep breath and chill. We're all pissed and FOX, but like what PowerMetal1 said, they don't care about us, internet geeks' opinion, se we all need to sit back and WAIT untill the movie's FINISHED! Then we can boycott or whatever we wanna do, but for the time being, chill . . .
June 8, 2005, 2:39 a.m. CST
^^^ get your attention. Seriously everyone who says ratner sucks, please give your reasons and specific examples from his films before you talk crap. I am sick of you puppets, who know nothing about directing, mimic what harry and crew say just to seem like you are some connoisseur of film. Ratner isnt going to ruin X3. The guy isnt stupid. Yes they could have picked someone better, but get over it. They arent going to get Rodriguez, tough. You all should be whining about the script, or what we have heardd about the script so far. Dont knock the freakin movie if you havent seen it. and boycotting? ha! these days who boycotts movies cause they are bad? If thats what boycotting is than i am quite the activist!
June 8, 2005, 3:39 a.m. CST
I know that we very rarely have any impact on decisions made in Hollywood. Like I said, for my part anyway, the posts moaning about Ratner and FOX's policy were just pointless venting. I didn't mean to make light of what you said and actually, it was just a general response to people who kept saying that we should stop complaining because no one cares. It does get old, after a point, and I genuinely do regret feeding into it, but sometimes it's therapeutic. I was actually kind of shocked that you cursed me out because I thought we were on good terms too, but I hope it's not something either of us'll get hung up over. I didn't mean to make you feel like your opinions were being slighted and all I was asking for in my post was a little more patience from people who are more laissez-faire about the X-Men than the rest of us. But what you said is absolutely right, no arguments there. It just disappoints me that the guy who's supposed to be our voice (Arad) seems to have sold out, and so if I speak up, it's more out of frustration than anything else.
June 8, 2005, 3:53 a.m. CST
I guess when I said "boycott" I should have just said I wouldn't see the damn thing. For my part, when I say Ratner sucks, I mean he sucks as a decision. He's a competent director, but FOX could have easily done better and the things that people seem to think qualify him for the movie, his off-the-cuff direction of action, are harder to pull of in a movie like this than one with Jackie Chan, both because I'm sure Jackie Chan, "the Asian Buster Keaton," had more to do with that than he did and because the fight sequences in this, what with f/x and wires, are bound to be more complicated. And, let's be honest: FOX probably hired him because he wouldn't rock the boat. That's why I'm pissed. I don't expect HIM to rock the boat, I guess, if that's not his M.O., but it's a shame that there are directors out there who are willing to help deliver rotten goods to the screen just because they get a big, fat paycheck at the end. In other words, I'm MOST worried about the script, not Ratner. And I'm mad at FOX for insisting that the damn thing go forward in the first place. Don't know if that sums up anyone else's feelings or not.
June 8, 2005, 4:33 a.m. CST
beast will fall off of a stage and crush storm
June 8, 2005, 6 a.m. CST
BrainFart, what's that suppose to mean? After what I wrote, PowerMetal1 wrote, and Sakurai wrote, you still don't get it do you? Can't people read? If you wanna criticize, do it with backround, not just some sensless humorless joke. The movie's not OUT yet folks, at least wait until the teaser! Ribbons, you're not gonna watch it at all? Even though that maybe just maybe the third movie's gonna be great? I mean, not even a pinch? This is Hollywood guys, and we're not God so we can't predict what's gonna happen do we? Predictions are often wrong, and ANYTHING can happen like the script. It can change from time to time, they can change it halfway into the production if they want to and a lotta Director's done that, and I do mean ANYTHING can happen (anything good I hope) so don't give up your hopes yet. . .
June 8, 2005, 7:11 a.m. CST
That's all that comes to mind with this news. I'm anxious to see how this film goes about and I hope it rocks. Other than that...shit.
June 8, 2005, 8:19 a.m. CST
He sucks as a decision, yeah i guess that is the right thing to say. I really do agree. Ratner doesnt seem like the kind of guy who is very passionate about the material. Oh and Chan is much closer to Chaplin than Keaton. Just needed to say that.
June 8, 2005, 1:24 p.m. CST
Not to beat a dead horse, but Rattner sounds like a total idiot, referring to himself in the third person (twice, one of which he's quoting Jackie Chan's opinion of him!) in this mtv interview: http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1503704/story.jhtml He also says that Singer bolted the X-franchise because he didn't like the script. This is the first I've heard that explanation, and it certainly doesn't sound good. I really want this movie to be good and I'm going to reserve judgement but my expectations are officially lowered. Gimme some Danger Room!
June 8, 2005, 1:28 p.m. CST
it wasnt a sensless humorless joke. i can understand where you coming from after all im sure this is the only news source you have. i on the other hand actually watch this show call THE NEWS. if you had youd have seen kelsey grammer fall off of a stage at the disney aniversary celebration. fukin hillarious stuff. right in the middle of a dignified speech. maybe it was in bad taste for me to bring it up.....but hilarious none the less. did insulting me make you feel like a better person? well if you dont understand a joke that doesnt mean it wasnt funny , it was just over your midget head (no offense to any actual midgets, cuz they prolly watch the news)
June 8, 2005, 1:40 p.m. CST
by Rhett Butler
Ratner speaks: "expect X-Men 3 to have an enhanced sense of humor. "Not jokes for the sake of jokes," / "jokes that come from character humor, that come from the situations." - Didn't that other genius - Joel Schumacher begin with this same
June 8, 2005, 1:48 p.m. CST
Ribbons has it exact. Ratner is being brought in for less than what he will bring to the project than what he won't do, namely shake things up. While I he would not be my first choice (nor on my list to be honest) Mr. Ratner seems very much an agent of the status quo, so it's all riding on the screenplay.
June 8, 2005, 2:25 p.m. CST
Your point that online fans only make up a very, very small proportion of a total audience is well-taken, but you have to look at the fanboys more as a focus-group than a mass audience. What pleases the hardcore fans will likely please the larger audience. What pisses off the fans will likely put off the mainstream audience. In any case, fans are the core audiences for these sort of genre films. So, the focus group concept is apt, I think. You should look at fan reaction as the sort of canary in the coal mine. If the fans get agitated,t here may be a real problem. And the Star Wars comparison is off. People would have gone to see those movies if they were two-hours of George Lucas reading the phone book. The first two "prequels" proved that. People were desperate to see new Star Wars movies. As far as to how this might relate to X-Men: the Singer X-Men movies succeeded because they pleased both the fans AND the mainstream audience. This is the winning formula for any genre movie, in my opinion. A franchise that pisses off the fans has its days numbered, in my belief. So, I do think that fans are relevent. Finally, in regards to the idea that the X-Men movies are just action movies, and Ratner is "competent", so we will get an OK movie: I disagree. The X-Men story is an action story about characters with relationships. That is one of the reasons that Singer's lack of action-directing flair did not kill the X-movies he made: the films were about caring about the characters and their relationships PLUS the action. This is where Ratner and company might be getting it wrong, perhaps very wrong. The characters in X-Men are not disposable like many characters in other action movies. I think that this storyline that kills off three characters is probably going to be a mistake... Finally, I own both X1 and X2 on video. If X3 sucks, I will not buy it. Simple. And that is real power. A half-baked movie is just a bad move, in my opinion, and this movie is sounding like it will be rushed, poorly scripted, and half-baked....
June 8, 2005, 3:30 p.m. CST
the problem is, does the studio want to take a gamble? If they do and do it well they get a big payoff. But right now they are probably thinking this is a sure hit and they should just do the safe route and not try to change it too much. They dont think of Fan-boys. They think of people going to see the movie because the tralier doesnt suck too much and that MTV special they ran 10 times on its opening week.
June 8, 2005, 7:01 p.m. CST
by Gheorghe Zamfir
Put Chris Tucker in front of a camera and just never say cut. Comedy gold!!!
June 8, 2005, 7:10 p.m. CST
by Gheorghe Zamfir
Singer is getting too much crap about this, I agree, X1's action was pretty crap, but I'm more than willing to bet that had a lot more to do with all the studio intereference than Singer. But X2, c'mon, Nightcrawler in the white house, the whole sequence in the mansion, that was quality shit! And on the other hand, Ratner is getting too much credit as an action director, personally I do NOT think he's even competent at filming action. The only action movies he's done are Jackie Chan's, and anything that looks good about that is because of Chan, but you know what, I don't think the action scenes do look good in either of the Rush Hour films, seriously, Ratner is one of the few directors I've seen manage to make Jackie Chan look boring. Remember, everyone thought Chan had lost his skills after Rush Hour 2, cause the fights just looked so stale, everyone, especially here in talkbacks, was saying he had gotten too old, hollywood ruined him, etc. Then Shanghai Knights came out and Chan looked to be completely on top of his game again, the difference, directors! One was a guy willing to take the time to set up shots and work through scenes, before filming began and on set with Chan, the other guy, Ratner, was just a someone who pretty much plopped Chan in front of the camera as he whizzed around with "craAAAzee" angles to pump you up! Anyways sorry I'm done, rant over.
June 8, 2005, 7:39 p.m. CST
I'm not definitely not gonna watch it. In fact, depending on the quality, that statement may have been premature. At the same time, I'm "incensed" at the way FOX treats the fanbase of their properties and I don't like the idea of paying for them to do it.
June 8, 2005, 11:02 p.m. CST
A mistake on my part then. I apologize, it's just that we were all 'boiling' because of the X-men rumors going on around, and most of us can't tell which joke for whom or not. Again, I apologize, nor did intend to insult you. I'd say that joke is funny, but this is not the right place or the right time^^;; And I;m still giving Ratner a chance . . .
June 8, 2005, 11:50 p.m. CST
im a big x fan and i understand where your comin from. we all want x3 to kick ass and were all gonna have to wait till its here b4 anyone can pass judgement . its an emotional subject with me too. it kills me to have to wait. i just hope and pray it is not a bomb . thats all i ask for. i can live with an alright xmen movie. when i was young everyone of my uber-nerd friends vowed that there will never be an xmen movie, partly due to special effects and partly due to an INCREDIBLY complex storyline. but here we are lookin at the 3rd installment of my favorite comicbook. my expectations have already been realized. now singer is a xfan like myself and you(chica). i hope the new director has half the dedication we do. were fans, we care, alot. much love chica. xfans unite . plus i was drunk my last post :)
June 9, 2005, 8:37 a.m. CST
from a interview on the net: "He also said you can expect his X-Men to have an enhanced sense of humor. "Not jokes for the sake of jokes," Ratner added, "jokes that come from character humor, that come from characters and that come from the situations." THATS JUST FUCKING GREAT
June 9, 2005, 3:15 p.m. CST
yeah- i'm starting to have faith in this movie again...i don't know why- because everything so far is telling me it's going to be crap but for some reason i have faith. if you go to superherohype.com they have a link where kinberg says the script aint-it-cool.com has is 4 months old as is the first 88 pages of a rough draft. and there have been many changes to it since then. so...we'll see. here's hoping. cheers.
a) isn't Ratner still dating Serena Williams? If so, we he dare give her a small role given her desire to become an actress? b) I laugh when I read 'Halle Berry is black' - she's Mixed - FYI: Mom was white, Dad was black and Dad checked out of the scene early and she was raised by Mom.
June 9, 2005, 7:11 p.m. CST
... and people start acting like hyperthyroid baboons! Damn. Sorry I missed the bloodbath. That Sodomy (could he be... a prominent Hollywood director?!?)is one sick fuck who deserves to be banned from life, let alone the Talkback. My older daughter, like Halle, is mixed, and if I heard heard someone say that about her, they would taste their own bridgework. And talkin' shit ta my dawg Ribbons. That just Ain't Cool, mofos! I give less than a damn what your birth defect is, RECOGNIZE! I sure am glad we had some folks take time outta savin' the world ( and polishing their Cameros)to come here an' explain well, gosh n' golly, it IS just a movie <snort> that hasn't even been made yet, and Bryan Singer is NOT a directorial genius, and the X- Movies weren't really quality entertainment anyway (from God's mouth to your ear, right?), and that poor Brett Ratner is being slagged out of hand. Oh, yeah! And Hollywood doesn't really give a sloppy fuck what we clueless dorks think, so we should all just get real lives, and stop our pointless whining. Veeerrry illuminating. Y'know, I've had time ta ponder it, and yer right. I have way more important concerns in my life. Look, where these movies are concerned, I'm just downright delighted they made an X- Men movie at all, that was, in fact, good. And X2 took it up several notches and set the stage for so many great things. Bryan Singer did an honest, compelling pair of movies. I guess some filmmakers just can't help themselves from inserting some cheesy jokes in a movie every now and then. And if there are those who don't share my opinion, hell, that's all right! I've been preparing myself for many years for the one day that I might encounter (gulp!) humans. I'll just have to keep hope alive that this is a dark horse situation, and when you expect nothing, everything is a pleasant surprise. My wife, noticing my agitated state, asked " You're still gonna go see it, right?" To which I cleverly replied, "Nnnn... Yeah. I guess I am." But only if I see good reviews for it. And it has a really cool trailer... And it has werewolves and vampires in it... And dead raped deer. And Cyclops has a beer and cheats on Jean, with the sexiest tomboy- beanpole on the planet, Rogue. And, ofcourse, Hulk Hogan. "The Age of Apocalypse is now, BROTHER!!"
June 9, 2005, 11:05 p.m. CST
On a movie read this from Showbizdata.com. SONY PULLS PANTHER Thursday, June 9 2005 Sony, which began showing a trailer for its upcoming Pink Panther movie preceding the release of Star Wars: Episode III -- Revenge of the Sith, has yanked the film from its scheduled August 5 release date following disparaging reviews on a number of websites, Reuters reported. One review on JoBlo.com remarked, "How could anything with Kevin Kline and Steve Martin be so unfunny?" The film is now scheduled to be released on Feb. 10.
June 10, 2005, 5:02 p.m. CST
I am far below dismal at this news because Ratner is such a pure joke. I mean, the only reason this guy exists in Hollywood is because he's a spoiled little rich kid who got in the biz because he kissed every studio's asses and crawled under some studio heads' desks...bottom line, this guy CANNOT make movies! He is not an artist, filmmaker, director, or even a hack...he's a no-brain cocksmootch who loves to swing 4-oh's back and forth, add some chrome and glitter, and behave as if he's actually talented. I can't believe X3 is going to this guy...the cast don't deserve this and neither do the fans. I smell a big backlash if this all goes through, sorta like Schumacher with the first Batman films. Ratner, you are a greasy asshole...please go back to your previous job (mowing Russell Simmons's lawn) and leave us all alone! Oh yeah, and take the rest of Hollywood with you!!! :P
June 10, 2005, 11:58 p.m. CST
Just wait and see. The reason they have the chance to get Batman right is because they have nothing to lose right now, but give them a couple of movies and things will go to shit all over again.