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Hi, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab...

Did you hear that sound just now? I think that was the other shoe finally dropping...

In talking to people in and around the X-MEN camp over the last month or so, it became obvious that Matthew Vaughn was really excited about making an X-MEN movie, but that he was also feeling a lot of pressure regarding this particular X-MEN movie’s production schedule. As with any film of this size, there were a lot of people exerting control over the film, and Matthew dug in for a series of important fights. He managed to convince the studio to cast Kelsey Grammer as The Beast, something that he was very proud of, and together with Zak Penn and Simon Kinsberg, he worked on the script that has evidently had the actors all excited about what they’re going to get to do. It looked like Matthew had finally reached a point where he was confident that the film could be made the right way in the time they had to make it, and he sounded ready to go. Now, nine weeks out, we’ve got word that Vaughn is off the film and on his way back to England. As soon as I heard this, I called Marvel Studios to get their reaction, and I ended up talking with Avi Arad, who confirmed that Vaughn has indeed left the film.

”This is not a case of creative differences,” Avi said. “This is a personal decision by Matthew, and I can tell you that he is heartbroken. He loved this material, and he wanted to make this film.” Vaughn has evidently already left to deal with whatever personal issue requires his attention, and Marvel and Fox are expected to make an announcement in the next few days regarding both the casting of Angel (who plays “a major role” in the film, according to Avi) and the new director, who may actually be someone who had circled the film earlier but who wasn’t available at that point.

Hey... didn’t Joss Whedon just finish SERENITY?

Excuse me. Just thinking out loud. Whoever steps in, they’re going to have to hit the ground running. Avi says that they’re still committed to starting work on the film in nine weeks in Vancouver, and they’re still planning to have the film in release on Memorial Day 2006. “We think this is better than either part 1 or 2,” Avi said. “This is the most controversial, classic X-MEN story we may ever tell, and I can’t wait until people hear the big idea that holds this all together.” At the rate these guys are moving, we’re not going to have to wait long at all. More as the story develops...

"Moriarty" out.

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  • May 31, 2005, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Well damn...

    by Aphex Twin

    The loss of a director so close to production is never good news. Hope they get a good replacement.

  • May 31, 2005, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Avi said it is the best one

    by Rupee88

    Then it must be better than the first two. After all, he said that Daredevil and Punisher and Elektra would be great too, so we know we can trust his objective opinion. Anyway, I had a bad feeling about this Vaughn guy...I hope they get someone better (and not worse)

  • May 31, 2005, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Did I step in something?

    by Odog

    'cause I smell shit.

  • May 31, 2005, 8:30 p.m. CST


    by Batgirl

  • May 31, 2005, 8:30 p.m. CST

    This movie is getting ridiculous

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    And Avi has been praising this film as bigger than better than the last two for months, yes, that's right, Avi was praising the merits of this film before it had a director OR script. I think the bulldozing theory to pushing this movie into next summer needs to be abandoned, take a step back, breath, and find some creative, passionate people who have something to bring to the project, instead of just whatever guns for hire fit the time frame and are willing to work with the terribly quick turn around everyone is going to be expecting at this point.

  • May 31, 2005, 8:31 p.m. CST

    by djf

    So is Kelsey Grammer voicing a CGi Beast, or are they slapping blue carpet all over him.

  • May 31, 2005, 8:32 p.m. CST

    rush job

    by Rupee88

    Bryan Singer diplomatically complained several times about the rushed schedule for X-Men 1. The couple of unfinished CGI scenes (like that one of the jet landing) was evidence of this, and I'm sure the movie would have been better had they went with a reasonable production schedule. But the suits just have to get it out in May '06 no matter what sacrifices in quality need to be made...sad.

  • May 31, 2005, 8:33 p.m. CST

    I am really scared about this movie

    by Atomik Steve

    With all the director changes and stunt casting, I am really worried about this. Daredevil, Hulk, Punisher, Elektra, and (probably) Fantastic Four are all mediocre movies. Please don't let X3 suck after X2 was arguably the best comic book movie of all time.

  • May 31, 2005, 8:34 p.m. CST


    by Belvis

    Maybe Singer was right to bolt to Superman after all. I hated to see him leave, but maybe he saw the writing on the wall?

  • May 31, 2005, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Wait a minute...if they're still a full 9-10 weeks out from

    by Commando Cody

    By then wouldn't live action filming be fully wrapped on SUPERMAN? If the script is THAT good, sure, maybe he and his people might do another pass on it, but perhaps that would just be a minor tweak and he could take over. I know it would be hectic, but think of Spielberg shooting JURASSIC PARK...then moving immediately into shooting SCHINDLER'S LIST by day and editing and compiling JURASSIC into its final form at night, with things being sent to him in Europe for approval and his overall input. Like I said, it might be might even require pushing things back a minor bit more, giving Singer an extra 2 or so weeks, but at this point why doesn't Fox just bite the bullet and push X3 back a bit more, simply so they can get back the one guy who really made it a viable franchise through his creative take in the first place?

  • May 31, 2005, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Too Bad

    by Barron34

    They would probably be better served if they delayed production and get Bryan Singer back, but that will never happen. Oh well. We want to see the Phoenix Saga that the end of X2 seemed to promise. We want to see the Hellfire Club, the Sentinels, and the Danger Room. We want to see the classic Claremont line-up: Cyclops, Jean Grey, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Kitty Pryde. The Beast, the Angel, Ice Man, Rogue? Yeah, OK. Gambit, the Juggernaut? Nah. Now a director change? They should have never let Singer go. Singer should have had the decency to stay for a thrid film. Two films seem incomplete, an unbalanced number. Oh well.

  • May 31, 2005, 8:36 p.m. CST

    by djf

    Atomik, I think you should fear the worst. Marvel seems to be more concerned with how many movies they make than quality. X2 and Spidey are great, but you really can't say the same for the others.

  • May 31, 2005, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Hmmmm..original X-Men mabye? I vote John Goodman as the Mimic!

    by TedSallis

  • May 31, 2005, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Don't Worry...

    by Mr_Furious

    Uwe Boll has called to say that he is available.

  • May 31, 2005, 8:45 p.m. CST

    X2 was the best

    by Retlaw Kciuq

    Honestly, quite the bold statement by Avi to make by saying that this third story is better than 1 & 2. What could make it so controversial?

  • May 31, 2005, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Whoa! Hope joss gets it!

    by Nivek666

    Wonder Woman, and X-Men!

  • May 31, 2005, 8:48 p.m. CST


    by AshFett

    My friend and I saw Layer Cake recently and it was excellent. It really helped make me feel more optimistic about X-Men 3, in that I at least knew the director was talented. But I was still worried about how Fox seemed to be intent on rushing the project. Now with this news, I am ready for it to be terrible. Even if you got a great director, it would be such a rushed, last minute thing... Sigh... Such a great series and now it seems like it could totally fall apart.

  • May 31, 2005, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Zak Penn

    by kidkosmic

    I predict this will go to Zak Penn... >>> I am Criswell. I see all.

  • May 31, 2005, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Appocolypse and Sentinals


    Thats what im waiting for, im not sure Frasier is likeable enough either for the part of Beast. I've always thought Frasier was a twat.

  • May 31, 2005, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Not good

    by tiredpm

    If they announce Whedon, you can expect all the fanboys to start creaming their pants. But there's nothing good about one director walking 9 weeks before start date and no director worth his salt is going to come in and work with the exact material another director has personally prepped -- it just woulnd't put their stamp on it. So, the script will get re-tooled. Actors will get re-cast. And there's NO WAY this starts in 9 weeks in Vancouver. Ladies and gentlemen, this film is about to get delayed until later in 2006. Guarantee.

  • May 31, 2005, 8:53 p.m. CST



    A local newspaper in Vancouver reported two days ago that Kelsey Grammer and the other recently revealed actor were here in Vancouver already.

  • May 31, 2005, 8:55 p.m. CST


    by Super Fly

    Must be done.

  • May 31, 2005, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Holy Crapamoly.

    by halfmahalfn

    This can't be good news. And what are the chances of geting Singer back? About one in... nothing. What makes this one so controversial? I heard it had something to do with the origin of Magneto and Xavier. Apparently they both get their their powers on some kind of doomed space mission. Well, that's what I heard. I'm waiting for the novelisation before I change my mind. And would all of you wacky people stop 'firsting' it all over the place. Someone's gonna lose an eye.

  • May 31, 2005, 9:01 p.m. CST

    I agree with the others (I smell shit)... with Cody (wait for Si

    by Triumph poops!

    I agree with others that this is REALLY beginning to smell like one, big, messy, stinkin' pile of shit -- a real trainwreck in the making particularly when you lose your most important guy, the director, this close to the zero hour. And it makes me wonder how shitty things really are going behind the scenes, not that we can expect a straight answer from Arad or Marvel. I mean, seriously, Arad's always pimping Marvel's movies to high Heaven with his lying hyperbole. This guy claims everything from Marvel is "great", and loves to do his song and dance routine even over such cinematic asswiping toiletries like ELEKTRA, THE PUNISHER, HULK or the recent utter shitfest MAN-THING which I saw on Sci Fi Channel and which was actually even WORSE than ALIEN ARMAGEDDON, which I didn't think was even humanly possible! So all told, that's why I agree with Cody above, too. At this point, just rework the schedule and WAIT for Singer to come back. He's the one who made and got the X-movies to be taken seriously, so why the fuck Fox wouldn't just wait a bit more till SUPERMAN wraps is beyond me. Sure, maybe at first they were pissed in the executive boardroom that he chose to do SUPERMAN over X3, but now that point could be completely moot. And the bottom line is that Fox should only care ABOUT the bottom line and the far, far better money they stand to make if they just hand the ball back to their star pitcher again, which would be Singer.

  • May 31, 2005, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Isn't Whedon already signed to do Wonder Woman?

    by Ktak

    Or is in not set in stone yet?

  • May 31, 2005, 9:02 p.m. CST

    The new director for X3 will be...

    by TheBaxter

    ...George Lucas. He's finished with Star Wars so you know he's looking for work. And he's been wanting to get into small experimental films that will fail miserably at the B.O., and if that's not a perfect description of X3, then Hulk Hogan's not the greatest movie villain in history, Brother! Now that Lucas is on the project, watch for a CGI Beast stepping in poo, and the emotional scene where Professor X bursts into tears and moans "Magneto, you're breaking my heart!"

  • And make it the Marvel summer of X3 and Spidey 3. They won't though, they'll rush it and at best it will be merely okay, like the first X-Men, at worst it'll be the Fantastic Four. Push it back folks, don't fuck over one of the few film franchises you've done right so far...

  • May 31, 2005, 9:10 p.m. CST


    by prajadhipok

    XMEN Rules!!! Kelsey Grammer was a bit of an odd choice but what the hell, I'm down for some new stuff!

  • May 31, 2005, 9:13 p.m. CST


    by Greenleaf1

    Man, I can't wait for this movie. X2 was awesome, and I can't wait to see how the Phoenix story plays out. I wanna see more Nightcrawler, but it looks like Gambit may have been removed, and that sucks. Kelsey Grammar is gonna be awesome as Beast.

  • May 31, 2005, 9:13 p.m. CST


    by LeckoManiac

    I was never too smitten on Vaughn...hopefully they get someone who will do the film justice

  • May 31, 2005, 9:14 p.m. CST


    by Atomica

    Foiled again. Anyways I'm actually looking at this as very good news. Matthew Vaughn has one movie to his directorial credit, and not one that i'd put anywhere near the likes of the X-men. Joss PLEASE do this. You Know You Want To. Screw Wonder Woman. This is the Freakin' X-men. And I hope that they cast older for Angel. Someone in their 30's and really play up the rich Aristocrat.

  • May 31, 2005, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Yes, postpone the startdate.

    by xavier masterson

    Fox execs, ask yourselves how much more money you will make if you wait a while and give this production some breathing room? A good movie means more money. A rushed subpar production means less money. more money or less money? Money. Quality. More money. Wait. Money. Don't rush. Money, money.

  • May 31, 2005, 9:15 p.m. CST

    X-Men 3: Low X-pectations

    by Hail

    Everything about what Vaughn was bringing to this film was nothing short of exiting! His attitude (at least as "translated" in print) seemed to ooze confidence and coily convinced this humble fan he was what Marvel needed. He was viagra for a quadrapalegic (which is what Marvel is going to be if they continue their downward spiral). Personally, I wanted to see HIS take on the film, because I wanted to be shell-shocked when I left the theater. I wanted to leave my seat soaked with piss and shit, and I wanted X-Men leaner and meaner that would feel like a heart attack, rather than a blood rush! The more I write the more pissed I feel! Sure, bring in Joss. It's safe. He knows the characters, he knows what he's doing. But Vaughn seemed to have an edge that would make X-Men unique, not just in the X-men universe, but out of all of the Marvel properties. I had the same feeling about him that I did about Nolan on Batman Begins. And when Singer and Raimi was announced for their franchises. It's so "out of the box" that it is exiting not knowing what to expect. However, if Vaughn left for "personal reasons," I honestly hope that all is okay in his family and personal life. I would not want anyone to sacrifice that over X-Men. In addition, I honestly hope that we'll get him back on board somewhere in the future, or that Marvel will keep him in mind for another project. I don't know what property though...right now, I just wish I could see Matthew Vaughn's X3...

  • May 31, 2005, 9:16 p.m. CST


    by KAUSTIN84

    Xmen will always be the daddy not only was it the beginings of the superhero craze but it has always been a superior comic,aside from spiderman marvel movies suck BY THE WAY BIGSAVOLOYUK U WILL ALWAYS BE THE PADAWAN

  • May 31, 2005, 9:16 p.m. CST

    I doubt they can delay shooting

    by Rupee88

    With such a large cast and different schedules, they probably HAVE to start shooting soon and they probably will.

  • May 31, 2005, 9:17 p.m. CST

    I guess

    by ECUPirate71

    maybe someday

  • May 31, 2005, 9:20 p.m. CST

    I am fire! And life incarnate! Now and forever, I am--Wait, wher

    by Sans Souci

    The Phoenix/Dark Phoenix storyline, perhaps the quintessential X-men story, demands to be seen on the big screen. From the casting and the rumors it sounded like Vaughn was shying away from Phoenix, but Famke Janssen was going to appear so at the very least X3 would've featured Jean Grey's return and set up Phoenix in X4. I speak of the project in the past tense because X3 will live life anew once another director gets attached. Whedon? I'm game for that. Singer? Somewhat doubtful, but still possible.

  • May 31, 2005, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Pushing, shoving.

    by halfmahalfn

    OK - apart from the normals (the Whedons and the Singers), push comes to shove, who could step up to this? For the sake of argument let's give the director another few weeks pre-production, cause I agree with tiredpm - there's no way/no how it's getting made on time unless the newbie's more interested in the paycheck than the movie. But who has the artistry and technical chops to improve on X2? Even with 'controversy'.

  • May 31, 2005, 9:20 p.m. CST

    They aren't going to "wait" for Singer

    by Rupee88

    The studio is making his movie to make millions in profits, not to make a good movie. It is in their best interest to make it soon..good or bad...and then watch the box office numbers roll in. They aren't going to wait 6 extra months to make a great movie, when a bad movie will make huge profits anyway.

  • May 31, 2005, 9:22 p.m. CST


    by Hail

    Owning the summer with X3 and Spidey 3 would restore a lot of faith in Marvel. Not to mention Fox's committment to their franchises. The third episode is almost as crucial as the second in any franchise. If you succeed, fans will be more forgiving in the future and continue to show up in droves. If you fail. The pressure's on to deliver. Because if you don''re Batman and on Arrival.

  • May 31, 2005, 9:23 p.m. CST


    by KAUSTIN84


  • May 31, 2005, 9:25 p.m. CST

    X3 better than X2 ?

    by Aint-No-Fool

    Looks like Avi Arad is taking lessons from Donald Trump on the art of the hype and self promotion. Avi also said the Fantastic Four would be the best movie adaptation Marvel has ever put out. Kelsey Grammar will probably play Hank McCoy as is from the the original X-Men line up, If the studio wanted someone blue and furry, the would have cast Robin Williams. All you have to do is spray paint that hairy son of a bitch to save money on CGI !!! Unfortunately classic storylines like Dark Phoenix would be too complex for a mainstream (non comic reading) movie audience. Introducing the Sentinels makes more sense for a 2 hour movie. Cheers !

  • May 31, 2005, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Don't let the danger room door hit you in the ass.

    by Alimentum

    Just saw Layer Cake this weekend and didn't see anything that made me think Vaughn deserved the X-Men gig. I think we just dodged a bullet.

  • May 31, 2005, 9:27 p.m. CST


    by sundancekeed

    So Vaughn took a powder at the last minute, Singer has Superman and probably some bad blood with Fox, Whedon is doing pre-production on Wonder Woman even as he's finishing up Serenity. You can pretty well cancel out those two guys, then unless Fox ponies up a busload of money to either and revamps the shooting schedule. Who's left? What's David Fincher doing? That'd be a hoot, providing he'd take on a comics property.

  • May 31, 2005, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Sounds great!

    by beelkay

    Or not...maybe the word I was looking for was "rushed."

  • May 31, 2005, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Aw chucks..

    by frankenchr1st

    this sucks

  • May 31, 2005, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Is it too late for a delay?

    by performingmonkey

    It seems insane that they're only 9 weeks away from principal photography and there's no fucking director. It wouldn't surprise me if this turned out shit. Why are the actors going to give a fuck in this third installment? If Singer was on board sure, there'd be room for development of his own ideas, but the whole thing could be screwed now, and what a waste of good potential it would be. Halle Berry can go suck a fuck. She probably wants half the entire budget just to appear in two scenes and say one line.

  • May 31, 2005, 9:30 p.m. CST

    What about hiring PAUL GREENGRASS to direct?

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Hey, wasn't Paramount supposed to decide thumbs up, thumbs down on the fate of WATCHMEN any second now? If they vote down, Greengrass would be instantly available and since he was so up to do WATCHMEN, he must have an inner love for respecting and doing comics-on-screen in an adult way (which is what X3 needs) and he kicked ass with BOURNE SUPREMACY...

  • May 31, 2005, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Too bad

    by SamuraiJackBauer

    Could have been great

  • May 31, 2005, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Paul W.S. Anderson?!?!

    by TheJon

    Oh no!!!

  • May 31, 2005, 9:38 p.m. CST

    look ahead

    by gredenko

    just don't fuck it up, marvel. the track record is slipping. don't rush it for the money, make this one right.

  • May 31, 2005, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Joss Is The Man For The Job.

    by The Outlander

    Any one that could produce 14 episodes of Firefly, 22 episodes of Buffy and 22 episodes of Angel in a single year will be able to pump this bad boy out on time, while maintaining a very high level of quality.

  • May 31, 2005, 9:41 p.m. CST

    There is no director at this point

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    Unless they really allow for a breather. But everything is so set in place that there is nothing for a director to really bring to the project except for the perfunctory work of sitting in the chair and shouting action. You're basically trying to hire a guy to finish someone else's work.

  • May 31, 2005, 9:41 p.m. CST

    How about Kevin Smith?

    by AndrewWanKenobi

    Naw! It's a shame that he hasn't really grown as a film maker in the last 10 years. Snootch to the Nootch!

  • May 31, 2005, 9:43 p.m. CST


    by halfmahalfn

    Yep - Halle Berry is pretty much expendable by now. Theres no way she's got the same clout. And as for your "go suck a fuck". After Donnie Darko I would have thought Richard Kelly could have been a decent left field choice. It's a shame Domino ain't out yet (yes, I know he only wrote the thing). It's a shame the trailer for Domino was pants as well.

  • May 31, 2005, 9:47 p.m. CST

    X-Men: Episode 1 ?

    by Aint-No-Fool

    If they are bringing back the original X-Men line up (Cyclops, Jean Grey, Beast, Angel and Ice-Man) then they can get rid of all the dead weight like Halle Berry from the first 2 movies. They can re-cast a younger female for Jean Grey. The movie would explain how Professor X started the school after with his initial students. They could showcase their powers in the Danger Room and then battle the Sentinels.

  • May 31, 2005, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Something's rotten in Fox Studios...

    by Ribbons

    Is it: a.) Avi Arad, spinning more than a top? b.) Fox and their ridiculously incompetent "Tentpole Release" production schedule? c.) The stench of this movie? d.) All of the above? Take your pick.

  • May 31, 2005, 9:50 p.m. CST

    At the rate they're going........

    by deadboy1313

    I hate to say it, but I wouldn't be surprised if they hired Joel "Shmucker" so he can destroy the X-men like he did Batman. I lost all respect for Marvel after the way they got greedy and tried to cheat Stan "the Man" Lee. At this point they're not much more credible than Warner Bros. It's all about money.

  • May 31, 2005, 9:56 p.m. CST

    There are a lot of FIRSTS here today

    by Sans Souci

    Guess the temp Talkback situation is leaving many bewildered. Keep Kevin Smith far, far away from X-men. I don't need to see lame Jay and Silent Bob routines run by with the Brotherhood instead. Not weed, but Whedon. Joss is just so logical. But logic don't always win out.

  • May 31, 2005, 9:59 p.m. CST

    The will select a young director they can control, like Tim Stor

    by Barry Egan

  • May 31, 2005, 9:59 p.m. CST

    X3: Straight to DVD . . . . .

    by Aint-No-Fool

    . . . I also hear rumors of JarJar Binks making a cameo . . . Cheers !

  • May 31, 2005, 9:59 p.m. CST


    by ryan2613

    I don't envy whoever ends up with this trainwreck. Too bad as it was actually sounding kinda cool.....

  • May 31, 2005, 10 p.m. CST


    by trysop

    That's a pretty serious change of plans. I don't envy the director who has to be up to speed as quickly as the production requires! Hopefully this won't cause a 'snowball effect' with the other creative people involved in the film.

  • May 31, 2005, 10:03 p.m. CST

    laughing at all the idiots who think they got first...

    by amievil

    and are like 50 posts in... lol....

  • May 31, 2005, 10:05 p.m. CST

    ok here's an out of left field suggestion i've actually

    by Everett Robert

    Joe Johnston...he's done SFX work in a horrible movie (Jurriassic 3), done GREAT char. work (October Sky), worked under Spielberg...basically unknown, so wouldn't command a lot of money...i belive has some writing work he's donw so could do a polish on the script to do it his way...the only hting is he's worked only with smaller casts, not the big ones...thoughts

  • May 31, 2005, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Kevin Smith as Director ?

    by Aint-No-Fool

    Let's see...Jason Mewes as Jean Grey....Kevin as Gambit, after all he still has the trench coat from all those Silent Bob stints....I rather see Joel Schumacher kill the franchise off than see Kevin cast all his buddies in X3. Cheers !

  • May 31, 2005, 10:08 p.m. CST

    the reason Vaughn left is obvious...

    by rebel299

    so he could have a beer and cheet on his wife. haha

  • May 31, 2005, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Are they still shooting X3 and X4 back to back?

    by islander

    I thought we were going to see and X-Men 3 in 06 and and X-Men 4 in 07?

  • May 31, 2005, 10:10 p.m. CST

    If Joss Whedon did helm X3...

    by Thunderball

    ...wouldn't it be ironic if he cast David Boreanaz as Angel? (though James Marsters might make a better choice)

  • May 31, 2005, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Why is Vaughn leaving?

    by BillEmic

    Is it because of truly personal reasons - like his sister is dying in England of a rare disease - or personal reasons relating to the X-Men movie, like he personally doesn't think he can make a good movie on such a rushed schedule...??

  • May 31, 2005, 10:13 p.m. CST

    This movie seems like it deserves a choice like Uwe Boll, Zak Pe

    by chickychow

    Honestly I'm not in love with the X-Men movies. Thought 1 was kinda wack. X2 was good, hardly great. But the comic fanboys seem to love 'em, so what do I know. I hate prequels, also...

  • May 31, 2005, 10:14 p.m. CST


    by Thunderballs

    I am glad Vaughn is off the movie, what the hell does he know about directing big action movies with lots of special effects? I'm glad Singer is off the movie as well. While X1 and X2 were decent enough films, they felt CHEAP!!! In fact, all the Marvel movies feel cheap. Like they had half the budget they thought they would. The end set piece in X2 is unforgivable for how bad it looked. I actually liked X1 better than 2, even though it felt cheaper, it was more gritty. The Spidey films really are such steaming shit, and I am always surprised at how good people say they are. Tobey Maguire is such a bad choice for the film, Kirsten Dunst is way too ugly to play Mary Jane, and the films felt cheap. I'll repeat it until I am blue in the face. Here's hoping they get a good director to helm this film.

  • May 31, 2005, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Avi King of Hyperbole

    by nemoiam

    He said similar things about Daredevil...

  • May 31, 2005, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Again the Studios show us that their priority is a release date

    by chickychow

    Avi Arad and execs at Fox have May 26th on their mind first thing they get up every fuckin morning... Assholes, if you release this thing in SEPTEMBER people will see it. If its GOOD, people will see it when-the-fuck-ever!!! Has Alien 3 taught us nothing?

  • May 31, 2005, 10:18 p.m. CST

    YAY! All is right in the world!

    by LordEnigma

    Vaughn might be able to make a small scale English gangsta film. He never seemed right as the guy to direct the PHOENIX saga. It's as if Avi and FOX got all hard over the hype for Layer Cake and their enjoyment of that film. Gave it to Vaughn and he flaked. Now, throw all of his decisions out the window, and give it to Joss. He understands the X-Men. He writes the best X comic. I think Joel can be given the right incentives to shelve WW for a year or two, to make this happen. If not, then, my radical vote for the next director of X3; Wes Anderson. Laugh all you want, but he can direct an ensemble. He can do drama and comedy at the sametime, and he could probably make an X-Men film look as if it came right out of the comics. Via his eye for detail, costume design, and set design. I doubt he would want to, but it would personally make me happy.

  • May 31, 2005, 10:21 p.m. CST

    my guess is...

    by BurlIvesLeftNut


  • May 31, 2005, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Kurt Wimmer

    by tiredpm

    Powermetal1, that's a nice idea, Kurt Wimmer would be a good choice -- God knows he can direct action. I'm assuming he's done with UltraViolet, so his schedule would let him move right into X3. Amd consideriong that the biggest problem with Equilibrium was a rather threadbare script, his taking over a fully developed property would make plenty of sense. Ooohh, I'm all excited about the idea of Wimmer getting to do action scenes with Wolverine...huh, that sounded way gayer than it was meant to...

  • May 31, 2005, 10:27 p.m. CST

    No need for Singer. The X-men films are "idiot proof"

    by Ivan_Mtl

    I really don't understand the love affair that some fans seem to have with Bryan Singer. In my opinion, he is an average director at best (with no discernable visual style), that did a pedestrian job on an otherwise idiot-proof film property. He does not stage action scenes very well - which is a definite minus when you are dealing with a movie based on a super-hero comic book. Also, he is only as good as his writer(s) and has never elevated the material he has worked on (witness Apt Pupil). I can easily name a dozen directors that would be FAR more interesting choices to helm an X-movie (Ridley Scott, James Cameron, Sam Raimi, Paul Rodriguez, David Fincher, the Wachowski Bros., Alex Proyas, David Twohy, etc.), but obviously, none of them seem to be available. Josh Whedon would be a great choice, as I have always enjoyed his writing (both on television and the big screen). Anyway, I really don't think the fans have anything to worry about if the film's premise is all Avi Arad claims it to be. A good script in the hands of a solid veteran director (or talented up-and-coming assistant director with a lot of enthusiasm) will be a sure-fire hit at the box office. 'Nuff said and Excelsior!

  • May 31, 2005, 10:27 p.m. CST

    First...second... whatever

    by orryn

    X-Men rox :D

  • May 31, 2005, 10:28 p.m. CST


    by Soldeed

    Why don't they just cast David Boreanaz as Angel? That way, half way through the movie you could have him sleep with Jean Gray, wake up in the middle of the night clutching his stomach like he has just woken up with the worlds worst case of mudbutt ever, run out into the street and kill a women, then fly of into the sky cackling. Throw in a couple of confused Gypsies and Billy Idol in a wheel chair and it

  • May 31, 2005, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Good Grief

    by peytonallen

    Can you customize passwords on this site? I guess we commoners deserve no better than a temp password. I mean, we're not even good enough to have a film that's going to be in preproduction for five years. Wow..second posts and a shot at Harry! I feel like one of you. Seriously. The X-men films were good films, even with watered down storylines. I'd just like to see them pick 2-3 X-men for each film, instead of cramming 6-7 down our throats. Good day.

  • May 31, 2005, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Please disregard

    by peytonallen

    Essentially anything I say. Password changed. I apologize Harry. Way to take your time and make sure you get your first film right. Cant' wait!

  • May 31, 2005, 10:35 p.m. CST


    by vampireknight

    Damn,first batman now this,what next is logan gonna have nipples on his suit to?

  • May 31, 2005, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Tim Story should direct

    by perfecto_fan

    It is obvious he is finished w/ his latest masterpiece Fantastic Four...Avi Arad is holding out his best hand for Tim Story...Man, I am so excited.. Queen Latifah could play "Beast". X-men 3 is going to be great. Who needs pre-production and planning to make a good movie, you tell me?

  • May 31, 2005, 10:44 p.m. CST


    by bralli

    Don't hate me!

  • May 31, 2005, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Gah, not good!

    by The Pusher

    Could they just please settle on someone?! I need me an X-fix!

  • May 31, 2005, 10:44 p.m. CST

    OMG, I'm such a loser

    by bralli

    This new talkback format is a tease!

  • May 31, 2005, 10:44 p.m. CST


    by Purgatori

    Oh please let it be true! And maybe just maybe James Marsters as Angel? First?

  • May 31, 2005, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Lol, love the temp hidden talkback

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    Kinda like Darwinism, exposing all the idiots, sadly its not weeding them out too, but hey, still good for a laugh.

  • May 31, 2005, 10:47 p.m. CST


    by RowanM

  • May 31, 2005, 10:51 p.m. CST


    by Nightshot

    I will say First.. then be pushed down a notch or ten most likely.. but for now.. WOO HOO!! Okay.. umm, If Joss does it, i will be very very happy. Please FOX, just get someone who respects the material and keeps it grounded in allegory for racism and in the real world. ZAMPHETY ZAMPH!!

  • May 31, 2005, 10:53 p.m. CST

    X Men 3 Director

    by Darth Mulder

    There is no chance in hell that any director worth a damn is going to come anywhere near this.One of two things is going to happen.We are going to get some "Exciting,young,new talent" who has been directing music videos who is going to bring tons of enthusiasm and youthful energy to the project(as if it needs to get any younger).Or we will get some B-lister who is just in it for a quick paycheck and will have no control over the film whatsoever.

  • May 31, 2005, 10:53 p.m. CST

    X Men 3 Director

    by Darth Mulder

    There is no chance in hell that any director worth a damn is going to come anywhere near this.One of two things is going to happen.We are going to get some "Exciting,young,new talent" who has been directing music videos who is going to bring tons of enthusiasm and youthful energy to the project(as if it needs to get any younger).Or we will get some B-lister who is just in it for a quick paycheck and will have no control over the film whatsoever.

  • May 31, 2005, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Talk about last minute!!

    by Enoshfett

    Should be interesting to see if the actual movie comes across as rushed. Hey, first post.

  • May 31, 2005, 10:56 p.m. CST

    NO!!! YOU ARE NOT FIRST!!!!!!!!!!

    by chickychow

    Seriously, this temp talkback is showing us how many fucking idiots lurk these halls...

  • May 31, 2005, 10:56 p.m. CST


    by zer0cool2k2

    THen I'm sure Matt Damon would would love to play Angel. Of course Patrick Stewart will get the boot in favor of John's dad Clu. ................... Seriously though, Whedon would be OK, and Wimmer might be a good choice too. No way Singer could go from Supes to X3 to Superman 2(?) or whatever it's gonna' be. He's only mortal. James Cameron would surely be able to put a hell of a spectacole on screen, but it'd be late and over budget, and feature an extended underwater segment.

  • May 31, 2005, 10:57 p.m. CST

    Oh, sorry

    by zer0cool2k2

    I guess I was supposed to say "First" since everyone else on here has.

  • May 31, 2005, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Death of Marvel Movies

    by Eshu

    With Whedon's Wonder Woman and Singer's Superman coming up and only our friendly neighborhood Spiderman holding the fort, I'd say it's the start of the DC Movie era.

  • May 31, 2005, 11 p.m. CST


    by Drew442

    ROFL at everyone who has yet to begin learning to read, congrats guys!

  • May 31, 2005, 11 p.m. CST


    by wedge4prez

    hmmm whedon love!

  • May 31, 2005, 11:03 p.m. CST

    by iron pills

    Never had a chance to see "Layer Cake", so i don't really know if this is a good or bad thing. I can say that Matthew seemed very passionate about the film, and seemed like he was going to take it in a grittier direction. Damn. Let's hope they get someone capable very soon.

  • May 31, 2005, 11:04 p.m. CST


    by blackthought

    first off, singer is an ok director...i liked the first two but they weren't anything special or transcending. i'm a lil sad to see vaughan go because he seemed like he wanted to make a real kick ass x-men movie, but this just opens it up for joss who'd i'd love to be announced manana. i fear that avi will be in a tim story phase and go get someone like stephen sommers or some crap. the schedule is way tight, if he's smart he'd push it all back but he likes to gamble. i'm pretty sure someone like robert rodriguez could shoot this movie in half the time and if avi was nuts and wanted this out by this august he could head over to japan and get miike. i'm sure miike would finish principal shooting in 4 days and have a trailer out by the 5th. so i hope by friday whoever is taking over is announced, but in a better world they'd push it back and don't bring singer back, his x-men movies were not bad but i'd like to see someone shoot for greatness. you know how bout this....terry gilliam's x-men 3!...oh the joy......have joss write it and gilliam direct it. hmmmm...............

  • May 31, 2005, 11:04 p.m. CST

    (probably not) FIRST!

    by joshintransition

    uh, welcome to the layer cake?

  • May 31, 2005, 11:06 p.m. CST


    by Reasonaxe

    Oh yeah! Bring back Singer when Superman is done!

  • May 31, 2005, 11:08 p.m. CST

    OMG!!!11!!! furzt!!1!!1!

    by amievil're not fucking quit it....

  • May 31, 2005, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Worst case scenario: Simon West, Renny Harlin, Paul Anderson, Ja

    by chickychow

    You know you like it.

  • May 31, 2005, 11:08 p.m. CST

    no mo singer

    by blackthought

    charlie murphy directs x-men 3

  • May 31, 2005, 11:10 p.m. CST


    by Soldeed

    Who is the person that just has to have a 12 inch replica of Krcek? Where do they live? What do they eat? Spock I get. Darth Vader, ok. But Krycek?

  • May 31, 2005, 11:10 p.m. CST


    by supernew

    Joss Whedon would be the right choice. Astonishing X-Men is a great title, and a great, traditional, and different successor to Morrison's New X-Men. Let all talk of Vinnie Jones cease now.

  • May 31, 2005, 11:11 p.m. CST

    oh god uwe boll

    by blackthought

    just think of it, video game footage from x-men legends to use as action scenes during x-men 3.

  • May 31, 2005, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Josh Whedon sucks

    by Neojanus

    And let the flaming begin.

  • May 31, 2005, 11:14 p.m. CST

    hmmmm.....thinking outside of zee box

    by blackthought

    alfonso sauron or juenet for x-men 3, or or or or um spike lee.

  • May 31, 2005, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Vaughn's Leaving

    by Ribbons

    I got the impression that it was something unrelated to X-Men, but I don't know for sure.

  • May 31, 2005, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Cuaron and Jeunet?

    by Ribbons

    I actually think Cuaron might have made an "interesting" choice for 'Daredevil' director... don't see the connection here though.

  • May 31, 2005, 11:18 p.m. CST

    can't go a day without slobbering on Joss Whedon's knob

    by chickychow

    He should direct Batman Begins Again and write the Star Wars show while he's at it.

  • May 31, 2005, 11:19 p.m. CST

    And finally...

    by Ribbons

    ...telling people to learn how to read after they already post "First!" is pretty close to saying "First!" on these temp TBs in terms of pointlessness.

  • May 31, 2005, 11:21 p.m. CST


    by Phildogger


  • May 31, 2005, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Obviously, Harmony Korine is the answer

    by Vern

    Now that they are shutting down Mission Impossible 3, which I believe he was secretly directing, he is open to toss out a quickie X-Men. Personally I think this is good news, he is perfect for these kind of big summer popcorn movies.

  • May 31, 2005, 11:23 p.m. CST

    well ribbons i was just throwing some names out there

    by blackthought

    cauron would be pretty dope on a superhero movie, just which superhero. at least he gave me the best potter flick by far. it was like an actual movie with mood and what not.

  • May 31, 2005, 11:24 p.m. CST

    This guy needs to be prevented from making comic book films

    by I Dunno

    What is it about Hollywood that continues to give more projects to writers and directors who keep churning out crap? Any other industry would have canned his and a lot of big time filmmakers a long time ago.

  • May 31, 2005, 11:24 p.m. CST


    by kdoc13

    Good riddance, bring back Singer!

  • May 31, 2005, 11:25 p.m. CST

    No layers

    by HomerGator

    Interesting turn of events

  • May 31, 2005, 11:27 p.m. CST


    by johnnysunshine

    that's crazy. doubtful it'll be Joss Whedon. Hopefully someone capable.

  • May 31, 2005, 11:29 p.m. CST

    someone capable......

    by blackthought

    hmmmmm..........robert altman directs x-men 3.

  • May 31, 2005, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Would you retards knock it off with the FIRST shit?

    by I Dunno

    It's irritating enough when you mongoloids do it when the site isn't lagging and there aren't like 50 of you.

  • May 31, 2005, 11:32 p.m. CST

    This sucks!

    by PwnedByStallone

    Am I first? holy shit! Never thought htis would happen to me.

  • May 31, 2005, 11:32 p.m. CST

    They should just go ahead and hire Joss Whedon.

    by Mr. Anderson

    I've never seen an episode of "Buffy" or "Angel", so I only know him as the guy who wrote "Alien 4", which I kinda like. And I LOVE Astonishing X-Men, which proves that he obviously has a deep commitment to respecting these characters and doing them justice. If he were to be hired on as the new director, then that would be a very wise move on Fox's part. And I for one would be more than willing to wait another year for this movie. Everything next summer is going to be in the shadow of Big Blue anyway, so why not push it back another year and really hit it out of the park?

  • May 31, 2005, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Good news for the Children of the Atom.

    by Mechakong

    Really if you haven't seen Layer Cake yet, it's not bad. But it's shallow as a golf ball dimple, all flash and cheeky faux toughness. Nothing in it really filled me with the confidence that Vaughn could nail X-Men. These Marvel movies are tricky, just ask Ang Lee. It really needs to be handled by someone with an affinity for the material and and an ability to handle the SFX work, short schedule and massive cast. You know, someone like Tim Story.

  • May 31, 2005, 11:41 p.m. CST


    by tHEmOOG


  • May 31, 2005, 11:41 p.m. CST


    by mikkimouse

    no director, and the weeks till production are ticking off the clock. sheeeeit.

  • May 31, 2005, 11:42 p.m. CST


    by MikeyHollywod007

    WOW! That is a HUGE turn of events!!!!! I hope this does not change anything with Vinnie Jones!!!!!! I sure as heck hope it does not change the tone and feel of the film that Vaughn had wanted (I believe it was a much more real, gritty tone.) Am I wrong....but wouldn;t this material really be turned on its ear and POP with the likes of a director with SCOTT in the last name????

  • May 31, 2005, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Actually, one more thing...

    by Ribbons

    ...the AICN page is taking forever and a day to load whenever I click on stuff in it. Is that my (my computer's) fault or AICN's? Also, all the apostrophes on the front page look like question marks. Anyone else having these problems?

  • May 31, 2005, 11:43 p.m. CST

    Spike Jonze would be an inspired pick.

    by Rant Breath

    Imagine his version of the Astral Plane. Tripped out. Also I second Richard Kelly and Kurt Wimmer for director of X3. Fuck Joss Whedon!

  • May 31, 2005, 11:43 p.m. CST

    first but last on first posting

    by Blacket-Man

  • May 31, 2005, 11:44 p.m. CST

    X-men 3

    by Komatsu Joon

    I wonder why Mr. Vaughn exited the project

  • May 31, 2005, 11:50 p.m. CST

    oh moviemack

    by blackthought

    your apathy is noted

  • May 31, 2005, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Here's why he left. Simple... It was written by Zak Penn and

    by chickychow

    It scares me, I gotta tell ya.

  • May 31, 2005, 11:55 p.m. CST

    i want Dr. Boll!!!

    by DarthBakpao

    Uwe Boll will give us full frontal nudity of Jean Grey, Storm, Rogue, Mystique, Kitty Pride! who care about the story when you can have all your fanboy's wet dream fantasies come true??? Uwe Boll dammit!

  • May 31, 2005, 11:58 p.m. CST

    What's a Talkback?

    by kferris61

  • May 31, 2005, 11:58 p.m. CST


    by mag7man

    Well, if it is Joss Whedon, at least he has the experience behind him of working quickly on tv schedules. Never thought Vaughan had the experience behind him to do this

  • June 1, 2005, 12:01 a.m. CST

    Joss, you KNOW you're reading this...

    by christonomist

    And we beg you... COME TO X-MEN. That said, can't help but point out 2 significant thoughts: 1) Man, where are all the Whedon-bashers? (please don't come out of the woodwork, this isn't an invitation) I mean, usually his name brings out more passionately polar opinion than Hillary. Huh, maybe the ice is beginning to thaw (because of Astonishing maybe? Or Serenity trailer/reviews?) And 2) JOSS ALREADY TURNED XMEN DOWN. Again, Joss ol' buddy, if you're listening, I hope you can get past that, but hey, everybody knows he said in an interview he actually WAS up for the gig, but turned it down because of the short production sched, right? The May '06 release was the very reason he said no in the first place, and that's only WORSE now. Unless they do some serious begging and throw massive money his direction, why would he change his mind? Whedon, you out there? Any chance of caving due to sheer fanboy demand??? Come on, Wonder who? Come on over! Add wit! Fix Cyclops!! Give us Danger Room! Lastly, as far as leaving WW hanging to direct a different comic property, um, THAT'S EXACTLY WHY X3 WON'T HAVE SINGER IN THE FIRST PLACE. So, not exactly unheard of...

  • June 1, 2005, 12:02 a.m. CST

    things dont look good

    by Jedi52

    Well if was already iffy about Vaughn I'mean layer cake was alright but this is X3 possibly the biggest film from the franchise so far. I really do think fox needs somewhere who knows how to tackle a big budget superhero movie, or atleast someone who knows the material. Heres hoping they focus back on the dark phoenix.

  • June 1, 2005, 12:03 a.m. CST


    by chucks888

    that sucks

  • June 1, 2005, 12:06 a.m. CST

    JOHN MILIUS AS DIRECTOR!!!!! JUST read it on!!!!

    by krullboy

    BTW, the "first" stuff is hilarious!! I say Harry keeps the TBs the way they are so that we get even more free entertainment than we usually get.

  • June 1, 2005, 12:08 a.m. CST


    by Krigan

    hope its joss

  • June 1, 2005, 12:09 a.m. CST

    You Are Not First. No One Would Care Even If You Were. Everyone

    by Flim Springfield

    This talkback should be put in a time capsule for future geeks.

  • June 1, 2005, 12:10 a.m. CST

    Joe Carnahan for director

    by njg122

  • June 1, 2005, 12:10 a.m. CST

    Whedon would destroy X-men

    by potvsktl

    and the studio knows it. Just because nerds lap up his retarded television shows doesn't mean its fooling the bigwigs. Dudes a hack and you're all pathetic.

  • June 1, 2005, 12:18 a.m. CST

    Actually potvsktl, the studio offered it to Whedon.

    by christonomist

    He decided against it because they insisted it had to be out by May '06, and he didn't want to rush it. So.... you're not right. That's all.

  • June 1, 2005, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Remember when Brett Ratner was directing Superman?

    by mraig

    And then McG was directing Superman? That is about the level of director we are going to get, some 'up and comer' the studios will throw at a major franchise because they've given us one blockbuster. The studios need a director who can slap a movie together without spending too much time thinking about it. Hey, didn't a deal for Rush Hour 3 just go bad? Ole Brett Ratner is available...

  • June 1, 2005, 12:27 a.m. CST

    Would Whedon Even Work For Fox Again?

    by ripper t. jones

    Prolly a dumbass question but didn't FOX fuck Firefly by showing it out of order? Would he even want to work for them again?

  • June 1, 2005, 12:31 a.m. CST

    One last time, YES Whedon would have potentially directed, BUT..

    by christonomist

    He rejected it because of the time constraints. They offered, he wanted to, but just couldn't. All these discussions about "they'd never give it to HIM" or "he'd never work with THEM" are just not informed. They asked, he almost said yes, he said no. That's it. For now....?

  • June 1, 2005, 12:32 a.m. CST

    Angel has to be done right

    by Darth Moa

    If it isn't I think it could be the undoing of the film. To me it would be like making Wolverine a chick, then that could have some interesting consequeces when it came to Jean Grey. HEY! a jean grey, cyclops, wolverine orgy! Rock on! I digress.......

  • June 1, 2005, 12:32 a.m. CST


    by delatao

    get joss on this now! WW can wait.

  • June 1, 2005, 12:42 a.m. CST


    by Shan

    Did that boy say "what's a talkback?"

  • June 1, 2005, 12:44 a.m. CST

    update on vaughn leaving....

    by torpor_haze

    on ign they say he left b/c he was planning to commute between vancouver and london. he left because he wanted to be with family...go figure

  • June 1, 2005, 12:44 a.m. CST

    Luc Besson or J.J. Abrams

    by Proglodyte

  • June 1, 2005, 12:44 a.m. CST

    ripper t. jones: Divisions of Fox

    by jocutus

    20th Century Fox and Fox Tv are different divisions, I think, and run by different idiots, so just because the morons at the network couldn't figure out how to show things in numerical order doesn't mean the asshats at the movie studio should get the blame. Remember when Fox Kids wouldn't let the regular Fox netork use American Maid in the Tick live action TV show, even though the cartoon was no longer in production? That is the level of separation in the divisions of this stupid company. You'd think they would find a way to work together, but turf wars seem to be everything.

  • June 1, 2005, 12:49 a.m. CST

    You know...

    by Ribbons

    ...plugging holes in the director's slot is usually a good way of finding out fanboys' favorite directors, but not necessarily a good way to go about looking for the best director for that particular job. Not gonna point fingers, just sayin.

  • June 1, 2005, 12:56 a.m. CST

    maybe not

    by griff n dohr

    must learn not to let brain work too hard... kelsey grammer as the beast? why not hyde pierce as angel?

  • June 1, 2005, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Super Shadow will direct. . .

    by krullboy

  • June 1, 2005, 12:58 a.m. CST

    X3 X-Pectations

    by Silverblade11975

    People need a chill pill. Joss Whedon isn't the end-all of fan-boy movies and TV shows. I'm not impressed with whis WB shows, and Firefly was rightly squished before it spawned like the un-reality shows. Frankly, Vaughn didn't seem too impressive either, and I would have taken Whedon over him only because of experience and knowledge of the material. The only way I would be impressed over a director for X3 was if the director had a strong knowledge of the material, is aware of the wishes of the fans as well as newcomers, and knows how to make the story mean something and leave the audience satisfied. Singer did alright, but had room for improvement, but his jumping ship broke faith for me. As for a story for X3, I'm not gonna blather on about a Phoenix related story. It's been said that only a portion of X3 would be relating to that. I would dare venture to say that X3 would have something of a Days of Future Past tone to it. Then again, the previous X-Men films weren't direct translations of any comic story, so I'd be happy with a completely new story, original but relate-able. Honoris Causa... Silverblade

  • June 1, 2005, 1:01 a.m. CST

    by Ironthorman

    I have to admit Kelsey does have the right kind of voice for Beast.

  • June 1, 2005, 1:05 a.m. CST

    this shit working


    x2 sucked

  • June 1, 2005, 1:13 a.m. CST

    maybe not oh well


    and please for the love of god NO!! gambit

  • June 1, 2005, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Is Fincher doing anything these days?

    by Uga

    Just thinking out loud.

  • June 1, 2005, 1:18 a.m. CST

    not surprised in the least

    by idmaniac

    This situation has been coming to a boil for a while. Word is that Vaughn had been planning to take the franchise in goofy, Schumacher-like directions, and Jackman can't stand him. Remember when he was in Australia a while back, and the rumor was he was up for a part in Superman? I hear he was actually there to beg Singer to return to the X-Men. Marvel knows Fantastic Four will suck (real, real bad) and the prestige of the label cannot absorb the indignity of another cinematic misstep, so I personally think that the release date WILL be moved back a year to acommodate Singer's schedule and allow him to take over. If I am wrong, I owe all of you a coke.

  • June 1, 2005, 1:22 a.m. CST

    I was never a real fan of Vaughn directing X3

    by moviemaniac-7

    But the man was passionate and that's what counts. Just the mere thought of Whedon taking the helm would be so fucking cool (as I have stated on these boards before), but they should put production away for a year so he gets the chance to write his own vision of X-Men. I await the next director...

  • June 1, 2005, 1:25 a.m. CST


    by The Founder

    I have no faith in this project. I thik we should email FOX telluing them to wait and hopefully they'll listen. Sadly though FOX is going to blunder ahead with a B list director like "shudder" Paul WS Anderson, no wait this man is a clist director. Anyway I just don't feel good about this project.

  • June 1, 2005, 1:55 a.m. CST

    there will be another x-men movie...i think

    by Tal111

    i am spartacus and i see almost all

  • June 1, 2005, 2:16 a.m. CST

    Harlin vs. Schreoder?

    by Mallestarion

    Better now than later? Get Singer and **** that superman carp!

  • June 1, 2005, 2:17 a.m. CST


    by MasterSong

    Wow, first is very.....boring. Cant see why everyone has a hard on for first. Anyway, why dont they bring in the Wachowski brothers to totally fuck this movie up. Losing a director so close cannot be good. X men 3 - 3 times trying their luck if you ask me. My fingers and toes are crossed.

  • June 1, 2005, 2:35 a.m. CST

    I AM GREAT!!!

    by The 104 Skinney


  • June 1, 2005, 2:39 a.m. CST


    by 69DUDE

    First!!!! And thank God Vaughan's left, now he can go back to making yawn-some little gangster flicks back in that bleak old mudpile they call the UK (I can slag it off - I live there!). Now shut up and get Whedon.

  • June 1, 2005, 2:53 a.m. CST


    by alpha

    Hey I have no idea if this is true but I did hear that John Polson who directed Swimfan and Hide and Seek and was in MI:2 with Cruise may be up for this. It would actually make sense as recent successes in these genres have tended to be by guys who are used to working with less money and more drama. To be honest whomever gets the gig lets hope they are interested in making a good film rather than a action flick with no depth.

  • June 1, 2005, 3:04 a.m. CST

    Joss Whedon.

    by AeroB

    He has a full plate but he comes from the TV world and he's used to a tight schedule. And screw you haters. Go watch all seven seasons of Buffy, all five of Angel, and read his X-men comics, then come back and beg my forgiveness for ever doubting that this man could handle any superhero project he wanted and do it WELL.

  • June 1, 2005, 3:08 a.m. CST

    Are they still considering making Angel female ?

    by RobinP

    I read somewhere (possibly here) that they wanted an actress to play Angel seeing as how (at the time and things may have changed) Halle Berry wasn't coming back as Storm. Any update on this ? Also, if Whedon's up for this...where does that leave Wonder Woman ? Personally, I'd rather see him tackle X3.

  • June 1, 2005, 3:13 a.m. CST

    Whedon would be great....

    by Andy Dufresne

    But I told Silver will allow this to happen if he can stop it. Though Whedon did confirm he hadn't actually signed for WW.

  • June 1, 2005, 3:14 a.m. CST

    Pre-Production, Cast and Script already locked

    by ChorleyFM

    If they are keeping the same schedule then effectively whoever gets this job will just be shooting action and directing the actors. No-one with a name or any real standing would want to do that unless they get a big paycheck. it will never be Joss as he is quite a creative man and bar a huge paycheck I doubt he would just sit there for the hell of it.

  • June 1, 2005, 3:19 a.m. CST

    Buffy sucked

    by GiftedInThePants

    Whedon's a fucking hack. Vaughn would've made it better, and not have all the characters be exact copies of each other, saying the same smarmy,smug bullshit like Whedon. Whedon's a hack.

  • June 1, 2005, 3:22 a.m. CST

    X-Men 3 Script Review

    by Bodhizefa1313

    I just sent in a review of the first two acts of the script for X3. It's a weird read, that's for sure.

  • schedule rigidity may be what capsizes this film.

  • June 1, 2005, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Thank Joss, er,...I mean GOD

    by Barrymore

    I hope Joss Whedon can step in as director. Matthew Vaughn may be talented, but the guy has directed only ONE MOVIE. A SMALL, BRITISH, INDEPENDENT movie. He simply has no experience for a major Hollywood blockbuster extravaganza like X3. Avi Arad probably saw how good the trailer looks for Serenity and realized they made a mistake. (If the world was perfect though, Bryan Singer would still be here and completing the X-trilogy). One more thing, FREAKIN' FRASIER is going to be the Beast. Let that sink in. FREAKIN' FRASIER. If the most uncool guy in the universe doesn't mean that X3 has already jumped the shark, nothing does. FREAKIN' FRASIER.

  • June 1, 2005, 4:04 a.m. CST

    Sooooo many possible directors...

    by DerLanghaarige you think Chris Cunningham would do it? What is Alex Proyas doing right now? Or Ronny Yu? Do you think that Dario Argento could handle a PG 13 blockbuster? Michel Gondry? Peter Thorwart? Whatever...we are not the ones who decide it...

  • June 1, 2005, 4:05 a.m. CST

    Here we go again...

    by Spacker Dave

    ...I mean did anyone REALLY think such a new director was not going to have his balls cut off whilst trying to make this release date? And notice I said RELEASE DATE and not MOVIE as this is all Fox is worried about. Kinda reminds me of Alien 3. Remember that debacle? Usually I would now say give it to Alex Proyas but he has stated that with the current management at Fox, he wouldn't make another film there for all the tea in China. There seems to be a recuring theme here...

  • June 1, 2005, 4:07 a.m. CST

    Jonathan Glazer. Chris Cunningham. Shane Meadows

    by Trevor Goodchild

  • June 1, 2005, 4:07 a.m. CST

    Oh dear.. even the first two weren't very good.

    by scrumdiddly

  • June 1, 2005, 4:08 a.m. CST


    by Trevor Goodchild

  • June 1, 2005, 4:11 a.m. CST

    If I cared about those XXX-Men comic book flicks, I would have b

    by SalvatoreGravano

    For this hopefully means that any half-cock(ney) imbeciles he cast - such as that wooden football player "So woss all this about then, isit, 'm I a great actor or wot, right!" sack of garbage from Madonna Ritchie's ultraoverrated video "Lock, Stock, Whatever" - are now gone with boot prints on their behinds, too.

  • June 1, 2005, 4:27 a.m. CST


    by P0PB0T

    The guy slips in unknown from directing one movie and then quits because he didnt want to move his family( Tuff Break. Now they can finally get Pauly Shore to direct it! Huzzah!

  • June 1, 2005, 4:28 a.m. CST

    Okay, Larry Clark then

    by Vern

    Nobody is going for my choice of Harmony Korine, so I'll move on to my second choice, Mr. Larry Clark. He would do it a little different, for example all the kids would wear their X-man pants real low with their pubes sticking out. Not sure if that's in the original children's comic strips but it's what America wants. I can't wait to see what he does with the naked blue chick. Third choice: Guy Maddin.

  • June 1, 2005, 4:32 a.m. CST


    by P0PB0T

    Why the fuck do you think Cunningham or Gondrey would do a goddamn Xmen movie. Thats not their style and who would want that to be? the 1st Xmen was a shock because of how shitty it looked like it would be, and the 2nds story just was blah, fuckin Magneto teaming up already.

  • June 1, 2005, 4:44 a.m. CST

    all you people moaning about Kelsey Grammer as Beast

    by Mr Chuff

    are A) dumb as fuck because you keep calling the guy "Frasier". Thats a character in a tv show - not real life and B) I bet all the ones bitching slap their fat ass down to watch every episode of The Simpsons that has Sideshow Bob in it.

  • June 1, 2005, 4:44 a.m. CST

    The Difference Between F***ing and Making Love

    by zabbadoo

    Think of Warner Bros. and DC comics as a married couple, very much in love with each other.DC is the wife. (Shut up this isn't sexist I'm trying to make a point)Tne relations that they have are the movies they make. In this analogy, Marvel is basically the hot slutty chick who tries to find a nice guy (Sam Raimi ofr instance) who will treat her right but then she is so needy that she goes looking to others for comfort, others who are not so caring .. anyways. Point is, if this analogy were true Marvel would have had 5 abortions by now and would probably end up dead in the backseat of a car with a lamp up her ass. POINT MADE!!!

  • June 1, 2005, 4:45 a.m. CST

    This could be awful ...

    by TrustTyler

    Honestly, they have no director and it's only weeks away from production? They could get any director to do it and I still think it won't be good. All the best directors stamp their own style on the films they do. How in hell can anybody stamp their style on a film if they haven't got the time to prepare?!?! I'm very worried about the X franchise. Very, very worried.

  • June 1, 2005, 5:06 a.m. CST

    New and First. YAY!

    by spaceghost7777

    New and First. YAY! Great info!

  • June 1, 2005, 5:08 a.m. CST

    Apparently Slow nd Last. BOO!

    by spaceghost7777

    Apparently Slow and Last. BOO! Still cool info

  • June 1, 2005, 5:13 a.m. CST

    It's "Gondry" not "Gondrey"!

    by DerLanghaarige

    And did you really think Argento would do this? Fuck, I just did the same as everyone here: writing the names of some favourite Directors.

  • June 1, 2005, 5:35 a.m. CST

    Avi Arad and 20th Century Fox, if you're reading this: PUSH

    by brokentusk

    Avi Arad is required to say "it's going to be brilliant" because he wants people to see the movie. I cannot believe he honestly stands behind his decision to hire the hack who made TAXI to direct THE FANTASTIC FOUR. Fucking Spielberg should have directed that movie (not that he would, but at least someone on his level). Marvel is digging their own cinematic grave and 20th Century Fox are helping to shovel the dirt. I can't believe the X-MEN franchise went from Bryan Singer quality to "OH MY GOD WE HAVE NINE WEEKS TO START THIS FILM BUT WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOT A DIRECTOR YET BUT LET'S NOT PUSH IT BACK BECAUSE WE WANT TO HAVE A LOW QUALITY PRODUCT TO PUT INTO A STUPID COMPETITION WITH SUPERMAN TO GET BACK AT BRYAN SINGER FOR BEING SMART"

  • June 1, 2005, 5:39 a.m. CST


    by erskine30

    Its a shame to hear he has left the project cos 'Layer Cake' was awesomely awsome and I would have found it very interesting to see what he would have done without the restrictions of reality. The trailer for 'Serenity' kicks ass though so maybe that Whedon guy is a good choice

  • June 1, 2005, 6:09 a.m. CST

    The director is....

    by Jerri Blank

    ...John Waters! Beast will eat his own poo and Angel will be kept in a giant crib.

  • Although my nine-year old daughter is really hyped up for 'Sky High'. God to admit the trailer brings back nice memories for me as it was filmed at CalStateUni Northridge where I did my exchange (from the UK). I noticed from the trailer that one of the pillars at the front of the library is still cracked from the big quake - you would have thought they might have used a bit of CGI to patch it up.

  • June 1, 2005, 6:14 a.m. CST


    by Sgt. Black say control freaks suck.

  • June 1, 2005, 6:15 a.m. CST

    So Vaughans out....


    ...does that mean Vinnie jones is out too? I hope so....a midget juggernaut? madness!

  • June 1, 2005, 6:30 a.m. CST

    I bet it's Alex Proyas. He is on Fox's good side since I

    by Mr. Profit

  • June 1, 2005, 6:36 a.m. CST


    by symeog

    this news pisses me off

  • June 1, 2005, 7:18 a.m. CST

    Vinnie Drones.

    by Trevor Goodchild

    I hope to fuck that means the third rate footballer with half a pound of stewing steak for brains goes with him.

  • June 1, 2005, 7:30 a.m. CST

    by spooky2k

    why are all the fanboys yelling for Joss Whedon?no offence (which means my next comment will probably be offensive), but as idiot proof as the x-men series is, Joss would not be able to do it justice. If you like firefly and/or serenity, great, but don't think that Joss can bring great stuff to this. He's good at pure character based stories...X-Men isn't JUST's alot more. Put the production back and get Singer back. Do it.

  • June 1, 2005, 7:40 a.m. CST

    Release date.

    by Zool

    If the release of a Movie can be pushed back because it's bad and fears the competition (see F4 moving away from 4th July and WotW). Surely you can reschedule a movie in an attempt to make it good? (why push for product that won't do as well to hit a very distant release date). As for new director, Not Whedon (he'd want to write, without rescheduling there's not the time), maybe Wimmer (be interesting to see what he does with a good script and some money)... it'll end up being someone whose currently below the radar, Charles Stone or someone (again, see F4). This is Bad news.

  • Seiously that much agro to deal with and a May'06 release i would expect Fox to pay through the nose to get this done on there terms. Still Vaughn should have thought about the time he would have to spend in America before signing on, a bad judgement on his part which may well result in other movie studios hessitant in hiring him.

  • June 1, 2005, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Won't be Proyas

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    He was rumored to be in the running with the first group of directors they were looking at, and he basically came out and said he has no interest whatsoever in taking over someone else's franchise, and he definitely has no interest in working with FOX again unless management changes (apparently I, Robot was a fairly bad experience for him).

  • June 1, 2005, 7:54 a.m. CST

    I got it!!!!

    by tonymanero

    It's so obvious. But the best choice would be Danny Boyle. Think about it, he's can handle ensembles and brings freshness to every genre he tackles, and he's actually a much more proven filmmaker than Matthew Vaughn. I think this is actually a strong possibility, since he has a long running relationship with Fox, too. Trust me, there is no doubt in my mind that he is being contacted, today. It's just a matter of whether he's ready to go back to big budget filmmaking, right now, since The Beach was so lousy and he dropped out of Alien 4, so many years ago.

  • June 1, 2005, 8:22 a.m. CST

    You know, let's get the facts straight: Whedon was NEVER off

    by Triumph poops!

    Bottom line: Whedon's name was (supposedly) on a list of potential directors that Fox was considering...yet BEFORE a final decision was made, Whedon took himself out of the running citing his own schedule for working on SERENITY and other personal projects, as well as citing the fact that he wouldn't want the gig anyway and thus have to deal with the accelerated schedule Fox wanted X3 to undergo in order to be out for next summer. But a guy's name being on a list AMONGST A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHERS and guy taking himself out of contention is NOT the same thing as he was officially offered it by the studio -- as in, Fox picked Whedon over everyone else on the list, Whedon had the job, turned it down, and thus Vaughn got the gig by default. That's NOT what happened, so Whedonites should quit this bullshit line about "Joss turned it down." He was on the list, but he didn't turn down anything since it wasn't ever offered to him. Biiiiiiiiig difference there.

  • June 1, 2005, 8:27 a.m. CST

    "most controversial" x-men story?

    by jim

    That makes me think more of the Mutant Massacre and not Dark Phoenix. Mutant Massacre would make a great, dark film. But they would never do it because they want that PG rating and to do MM right it would have to be R, or a very hard PG13. Angel mutilated, Colossus committing murder, the Morlocks slaughtered - not a movie for the young'uns.

  • June 1, 2005, 8:28 a.m. CST

    As to who could actually step in and do this...McTiernan!

    by Triumph poops!

    I like the idea someone above had for John McTiernan. Mr. DIE HARD I and III would certainly make a kickass action movie, and I supposed (since those were Fox films) he's on good standing with the studio still. And unlike Whedon and that crapfest SERENITY trailer, the action would be GOOD under McTiernan -- as in no badly choreographed and slow moving bar fight scenes where we'd get Jean Grey looking like she's trying to to figure out her mark and what she's supposed to swivel and hit next!

  • June 1, 2005, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Get the Director who did THE MOTHMAN PROPHECIES and ARLINGTON RO

    by Spacesheik

  • June 1, 2005, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Spacesheik: You mean Mark Pellington!

    by DerLanghaarige

    Why not?

  • June 1, 2005, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Mutant Massacre

    by DannyOcean01

    I reckon the storyline's going to be something along the lines of the Mutant Massacre. Maybe Sinister, a few seriously injured characters, a big role for Angel and the first storyline that dealt with the return of Jean. Also it's one of the darkest storylines they did.

  • June 1, 2005, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Avi Arad is used up.

    by PartTimeHero

    And is a very used up mouthpiece. His bullshit is so evident now. According to him, Elecra, Man-Thing and the Punisher were all great films that we couldn't wait to get our head around the ideas in them. XMen 3 is not looking so good. Although I'm glad Grant Morrison shuld get a nice payday from the female Angel.

  • June 1, 2005, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Biggest controversy would be screwing up more conitinuity and re

    by Monkey_King

    I still say Johnny Messner would make a better Cyclops and Halle would do best to jump on board...Oh, and fix Nightcrawlers teeth and hire Rob Bottin to do the Beast body suit and makeup.

  • June 1, 2005, 9:57 a.m. CST


    by Psychic Postman

    Hey, first talkback comment on here aswell, not bad for a cross dressor with a Tarantino fetish... one of those things is true, try and guess which... mothfucker!!! This sucks, Vaughn is a smart and talented director who I'm sure would have at least matched Singer's flicks. Well wishes to the guy. Whedon would be rather cool though.

  • June 1, 2005, 10:10 a.m. CST

    It's going to be Tim Story on X3!!!!

    by riskebiz

    Y'know that sinking feeling in your stomach is true. Why they gave him FF is beyond me. Avi must be in love with him. Bet Tim Story gets X3.

  • June 1, 2005, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Where's the Wicker Man/Nic Cage story?

    by Trevor Goodchild

    Why has it been taken down?

  • June 1, 2005, 10:31 a.m. CST


    by Trevor Goodchild

    Has he finished Ultraviolet? Shame Beast has been cast. He could have brought Angus McFadden with him to do Mcoy.

  • June 1, 2005, 10:37 a.m. CST

    I'm hoping they'll get Crispin Glover to direct!

    by rev_skarekroe

    Or Max Hardcore. Or Corman. He works cheap!

  • June 1, 2005, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Hulk Sulk

    by Trevor Goodchild

    And for the love of Kirby will people stop lumping Hulk in with Daredevil, Elektra and possibly FF. Ang Lee and team attempted to do something intelligent and unique. People will be loving and talking about it years from now. Milestone effects. Beautiful soundtrack. Trippy story. Films like Daredevil don't ignite the passion that Hulk does.

  • June 1, 2005, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Holy good giddy god

    by Z_B_Brox

    I am so nervous about the possibility of this movie to rock or fall flat on its face that I don't even have the energy to rant about firsters.

  • June 1, 2005, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Directors, casting, & sweet speculation indeed.

    by The Heathen

    First off, I was just warming up to Vaughn. What I've seen of Layer Cake was sweet. Grammer cast raised my hopes even more and now were back to "aww shit" mode. Hope everything is okay w/ his family. Moving on, Arad is the biggest spinner there is. He spins so much shit that Peter Parker can't even crawl through it. The only reason any of us want to trust his word is because X2 and the especially the Spidey movies were so good. As for directors, the obvious is Joss. Let me explain: pick up any of the three main X-Men titles and his is the only one that I don't think wiping my ass with. He knows these characters and has proven himself with TV and hopefully Serenity. That said, X3 would only be his 2nd film, but that would be my choice. Singer-aint gonna happen. Neither will Proyas. Those are both nice ideas, but that's like wishing for James Cameron to do it or Fincher. I was intrigued by the suggestion of Cuaron. That would be cool. And finally, fuck Uwe Boll, Paul Wet Shit Andreson or anybody else who gets close enough to this movie to "officially" screw it. P.S. I noticed the lag on the site and the ? marks too. That is all

  • June 1, 2005, 10:51 a.m. CST

    FIRST ... ?

    by TKO

    Am I?

  • June 1, 2005, 10:52 a.m. CST

    That's all

    by The Heathen

    If we're speaking of things that could "possibly" happen. I'd believe that or Whedon, but you know it's probably going to be a "Who? oh, him. The one who did the romantic comedy

  • June 1, 2005, 10:52 a.m. CST

    ...damn, guess not

    by TKO

    Please disperse. There's nothing to see here.

  • June 1, 2005, 11:01 a.m. CST

    X3 is gonna rule!!!

    by Achilles1

    yes its going to rule

  • Doug Liman. Insane or not, Mr. & Mrs. Smith is generating a lot of buzz, much like how TAXI created enough early noise for Story to get the FF. The only thing that could stop Liman getting the gig is his own mental instability...Proyas has a better shot than Wimmer of Whedon...Whedon has no proven box office draw.

  • June 1, 2005, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Savage Steve Holland for X3!!!!

    by Nice Marmot

    Might as well at this point.

  • June 1, 2005, 11:36 a.m. CST

    The Punisher

    by Proglodyte

    I never realized how many people didn't like The Punisher until this talkback. I thought it was a great movie. Anyway, let's hope Fox and Marvel do the right thing here. More and more it seems evident that they need to push back that release date and get someone good in there. Whedon would be great, as would J.J. Abrams. I like the Alex Proyas suggestion too. But I am going to make a prediction and say it will turn out to be Brett Ratner since he seems to have an open schedule due to Tucker not in on Rush Hour 3.

  • June 1, 2005, 11:47 a.m. CST news

    by beelkay

    I was just reading that all of the actors that were holding out are confirmed, including Halle Berry, Patrick Stewart, and Ian McKellen. Yay!

  • June 1, 2005, noon CST

    Are there alternate Talkbaks?

    by Trevor Goodchild

    There appears to something bizarre going on with the Talkbacks.

  • June 1, 2005, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Avi's hyperbole

    by Immortal_Fish

    What exactly do you folks expect him to say about upcoming Marvel films?

  • June 1, 2005, 12:26 p.m. CST

    yeah, whedon doesn't know X-men

    by capt jack aubrey

    spooky said "as idiot proof as the x-men series is, Joss would not be able to do it justice. If you like firefly and/or serenity, great, but don't think that Joss can bring great stuff to this. He's good at pure character based stories...X-Men isn't JUST's alot more." it's just too bad there wasn't some medium in which Whedon had already proven he knows EXACTLY how to write and handle the X-men characters... dang... wish such a thing existed... if only... here, let me move these comic books out of the way... (sorry -- i only kid because i care)

  • June 1, 2005, 12:29 p.m. CST

    That they aren't better than the previous films and groundbr

    by The Heathen

    When hell freezes over. I just wish he was at least honest with himself. He seems to be after the fact on commentaries and such, but I just want him not to lie through his teeth. We KNOW Fantastic Four isn't going to change the way comic movies are made (at least positively) in the future.

  • June 1, 2005, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Does anyone know WHY they are hell-bent on this deadline?

    by ejcarter9

    There's got to be a reason.

  • June 1, 2005, 2:57 p.m. CST

    the Deadline

    by capt jack aubrey

    Fox is 'hell-bent' on their summer 2006 deadline for one reason and one reason only and it wears blue tights and red booties... Fox wants SO badly for X3 to beat Big Blue and rub Singer's face in it for his Grand Betrayal.

  • June 1, 2005, 3:24 p.m. CST

    could i possibly be first??

    by McLuvin

    not that i care...bumpy road at fox indeed

  • June 1, 2005, 3:44 p.m. CST


    by Steve Zodiac

    Bring the Wachowski brothers. Nuff said.

  • June 1, 2005, 4:25 p.m. CST

    WTF (what the first?!?!)

    by whatyoufear

    yeah just kidding, i know i'm 2,491 or something.. on an X3 related note, i'll only see this movie if Wolverine has a Dead-End cowl. NUFF FUCKIN' SAID!!

  • June 1, 2005, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Martin Scorcese should direct X3!

    by jim

    I'm serious

  • June 1, 2005, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Last !!!

    by Aint-No-Fool

    Last... for now.

  • June 1, 2005, 4:46 p.m. CST


    by thedoctor28

    Maybe this thing aint workin to good!!!

  • June 1, 2005, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Has anyone suggested the obvious choice . . . John Gulager?

    by ProzacMorris

    Feast and Project Greenlight were just the beginning. Give 'em hell John!

  • June 1, 2005, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Will Dark Phoenix be rudderless?

    by lindyboy

    I have to admit I'm disappointed. Vaughn was being hyped as the second coming. That said, I like the Joss Wheadon suggestion but the question is simply a matter of whether the suits at Fox will be convinced to have him on. Wheadon knows these characters and any story calling for the White Queen to be involved is prime material for him so far as I'm concerned.

  • He didn't write it and he would be coming in half way through. Remember Planet of the Apes? Tim Burton couldn't save that and people blamed its failure on him even though he came on later as a hired hand. If Joss took over this and it fails because of a bad script, he would be blamed for it. Unless the script is amazing, I hope he passes.

  • June 1, 2005, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Fox Keeps Making Bad Moves On This Franchise

    by Barron34

    Seriously, they need to treat X-Men as a franchise, not just as a single movie that "needs" to be out in Summer 2006. If they screw up the third movie, it will disrupt the whole franchise, just like Schumacher ruined Batman for over 8 years. A rushed X-Men movie might make a little money on its first weekend, but in the long-run will cost Fox much, much more in lost revenue by killing future X-Men movies and related profits. *****To maintain a franchise, you simply must keep making the movies with decent quality and which continue to please the FANS, who are the core audience and the engine which drives the box office for films like these. One key thing that fans like is CONTINUITY, which means maintaining the trajectory of the story and characters that have already been established in the first two movies. X2 basically promised the fans that the Phoenix Saga was coming in the next movie. Now we hear of all sorts of nonsense like the Juggernaut being added to the film, who has NOTHING to do with the Phoenix Saga. This is bait-and-switch, and many fans will be royally pissed. (Myself definitely included) You can not go in one direction in the first two movies and then make a total left turn in the third movie and expect to give the fans and the audience a satisfying film experience. Papering over this change by introducing new characters does not compensate for bad storytelling, and in fact wastes these new characters by using them too early before the story of the prior characters has run its natural course. The Phoenix/Jean Grey story has been PROMISED, and has not yet been told. We DO NOT want to see new characters until the original characters' stories have been properly told. Bringing in new characters without good reason is a cheap storytelling gimmick, and is an annoying waste. Those characters should be heald in reserve until the existing characters get their storytelling due. One of the laws of storytelling is to set up a story-line to create suspense, and then to pay off that storyline to satisfy the dramatic tension. We have basically been promised the Phoenix Saga, and we are apparently not going to get it. This is the film equivalent of coitus interruptus, and I for one am going to be very pissed off by it, and turned off of the X-Men films if I do not get what I was teased with in the first two movies. It is an annoying bait-and-switch.*****How does this relate to the current situation regarding the loss of the director? Simply that Fox should have moved heaven and earth to get Singer back for at least one more film to wrap up the plotlines that he set up with his first two movies. It is destructive to the franchise not to maintain continuity properly with the first two movies, and Singer is clearly the person best suited to do so with a third movie, regardless of whatever dispute he and Fox had regarding SUPERMAN or whatever. Fox would be penny-wise but pound foolish to rush production of this film and get a bad movie for 2006. A bad movie could scotch the franchise and kill the goose that laid the golden egg. Delay production, make nice with Singer and get him back to make a third movie that finishes what what started in X1 and X2, release the film in Fall 06 or later in 07, wrap Singer's X-Men up in a bow as a trilogy that concludes with the Phoenix Saga (as promised), and keep the franchise alive, a money-maker for Fox practically in perpetuity. Otherwise, if you rush to make a bad film that pisses fans off you could kill the franchise and lose lots of money.

  • June 1, 2005, 6:32 p.m. CST


    by halfmahalfn

    After the first two films the Phoenix Saga is simply too much of a leap for most audiences. Geeks everywhere would embrace the idea but audiences would stay away in droves. You'd have a mysterious entity, universe-wide powers, freaking Starjammers... It's just too much. Better to keep the film grounded in the 'reality' of the first films than go leaping off with the Phoenix saga. Sentinals - fine. The Mutant Massacre - less fine but believable. There's plenty of interesting stories available. And the Phoneix issue in X2 was blink and you miss it. Agree with you on the idea of treating it like a franchise though. Just don't think they'll ever get Singer back.

  • June 1, 2005, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Fincher's not available...

    by -guyinthebackrow

    He's shooting "Zodiac"... or is about to start shooting.

  • June 1, 2005, 7 p.m. CST


    by Barron34

    My feeling on the Phoenix Saga is that Singer would have adapted it by excluding the Shiar and much of the off-world SF elements. The Phoenix Entity would just be a powerful ET force that possessed Jean Grey and gets brought out by her involvement with the Hellfire Club and Mastermind. In truth, it might be too much story for one film, but I think that it would pay off film-wise, since by introducing the Helffire Club you can make non-fan viewers familar with a major new villain, Shaw, who can later turn out to be one of the driving forces behind the Sentinels program. So, in X3, you get to see cool new villains (Mastermind, Shaw and the Hellfire Club), a good piece of the Phoenix Saga, and a set-up for the Sentinels, with future mileage out of Shaw and any of the rest of the Hellfire Club that might survive X3. Chronologically, this is the correct storyline in my opinion. It gives the fans the Phoenix Saga, and saves other major storylines like the Sentinels and the Mutant Massacre for later. I just get the feeling that they are rushing the later plots ahead of the earlier ones, and it is sort of a waste of story and character that could be better conserved for later movies. Once you get past the top three or four major plot arcs in the main X-Men history, the quality of the storylines begins to become lower, and this could end the franchise much sooner than otherwise. This is why Fox should really focuse on continuity and storylines without rushing off into other directions: it conserves the better storys so that the film franchise will go as long as possible, and with the highest quality storys. Anyway, thanks for your response to my first post.

  • June 1, 2005, 7:03 p.m. CST


    by Barron34

    I meant to type "stories", not "storys", etc...

  • June 1, 2005, 7:38 p.m. CST


    by whatyoufear

    he would have based the whole dark phoenix thing on jean grey being overwhelmed by her powers and losing her mind in the process.. which makes more sense to me than bringing an alien race into the franchise.. speaking of franchises, i'm surprised marvel hasn't changed the silver X into golden arches! they're getting there though..

  • June 1, 2005, 8:14 p.m. CST

    half man half machine.

    by halfmahalfn

    Yeah, I agree with what you're saying Barron34 as far as X Men only having three or four decent plot arcs for films so far - and recognizing that when building for the future. It's just the ET thing which gets me. For this reason I'd prefer to see whatyoufear's approach taken. And really, as far as ensuring the franchise's survival, a Sentinal based storyline would rock it like a rocket. It ties into the 'fear the mutants' focus so nicely started in the first two films. And wouldn't it be great to see Beast 'tap into his animal instincts' tearing up inside one of those giant robots? After years married to Lilith and countless plans thwarted by Bart you just know he needs a release.

  • June 1, 2005, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Imagine what Kurt Wimmer could do with a 150 million budget.

    by Rant Breath

    Hell yes bitches!

  • June 1, 2005, 8:37 p.m. CST


    by bubcus

    I'm curious to see how they'd outdo X-Men 2. And also, much as they're praising the script, any new director coming in will change it, it's inevitable. Angel playing a major part, huh? I'm curious. With Storm already requiring a bigger role or she's out, it seems like a lot of characters will be craving attention... that'll be a lot to chew. And with this film starting production in 9 weeks, that's not a lot of time to get a director, get him settled in, and get rolling... is it? Here's hoping they can pull it off again (at least they now have a good budget).

  • June 1, 2005, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Please don't ruin this movie!

    by stargirl

    Please! Whoever needs to be begged, I'm here, begging. Please, let it be done right. I enjoyed the hell out of the first two (despite their flaws) and have been waiting for this since the credits rolled on the second film. I'll keep waiting! I'll only get more excited. I promise I won't forget you and move on to something else. Just PLEASE make it right. Make it worth it. Don't ruin a good thing out of greed or whatever else would drive this thing into high geer preduction. I BEG! I PLEAD! Don't ruin it for me and everyone else who is so invested. Please!

  • June 1, 2005, 9:27 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    Word. I believe that Fox keeps ruining their chances at long-term franchises with their tunnel vision (and releasing this BEFORE 'Superman Returns?' WTF? That's not even reasonable). By the way, I just heard the expression "penny wise and pound foolish" like 2 hours ago, so it was pretty weird to see that in your post.

  • June 1, 2005, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Whedon would get it done, but...

    by CatVutt

    I was never fully convinced during the first go-around that Whedon was the right way to go for X3. However, having now seen Serenity, I actually do think he would do a pretty damn good job capturing all the right elements. He'd be able to un-tame Wolvie just right, throw some real spark into the ongoing Cyke/Wolvie conflict, and maybe (gasp) actually give Storm something to do. BUT...let's face it. Joss would be nuts to step back into the thing at this point, unless they throw unrefusable money at him. And they won't. He might be tempted if they come to him, but I would think he knows he's setting himself up for another battle with Fox, which I would assume he wouldn't feel necessary, given the highly positive experience he's reported as having with Universal. So let's try to figure out who they're really going to get. No, I personally haven't a clue at this point. But I'd put Whedon as a 50-1 shot right now.

  • June 1, 2005, 9:45 p.m. CST

    It's Proyas

    by Theta

    Whedon would be nice, but Alex Proyas has delivered a blockbuster for Fox already and this late in preproduction? They're going with somebody who they know.

  • June 1, 2005, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Hey Prior Walters, what does Gulager's brother having a kid

    by ProzacMorris

    Just curious.

  • June 1, 2005, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Steven Soderburgh for X3

    by Christopher3

    He's fast, cheap, good with handling big casts, and actors in general love him.

  • June 1, 2005, 11:55 p.m. CST

    I also vote GULAGER.

    by SnapT

    Gulager should direct ever movie.

  • June 2, 2005, 12:13 a.m. CST


    by blackthought

    someone actually liked my suggestion of alfonso cauron. anyway when is the new director gonna be announced? and will avi wake up in the morning and realise that he should do right by this project and push it back or is his hatred of singers defection that big? the singer films were good but nothing great. let him go avi, let him go....and gilliam directs thor!

  • June 2, 2005, 2:13 a.m. CST

    "Singer should have had the decency to stay for a thrid film."

    by DarthHomercles

    The decency to stay? He dreamed his whole life of doing a Superman movie, gets his chance, and you want him to pass it up because it's the "decent" thing to do? Whatever. I'm as disappointed as anyone that he isn't on X3, but don't begrudge the guy for following his passions.

  • June 2, 2005, 2:31 a.m. CST

    For those wishing Fox would delay the production . . .

    by DarthHomercles

    You do realize this is a business, correct? I'm sure it took a lot of negotiating to align everyone's schedules to create a window of opportunity to make this film. Actors and are commonly signed for two or three films in advance. Some high profile crew can be signed to other projects as well. If Fox doesn't make this production date, then their window will expire and they could have to wait up to a year or more to begin anew. You may not think this is so bad, but in the meantime the studio is shelling out money and they lose their big tentpole release for 2006. So yeah, they're gonna push to keep things on track. Can ya blame them?

  • June 2, 2005, 2:32 a.m. CST

    I knew Vaughn was a hack, never took him for a pussy though

    by quantum_ken

    Actually, come to think of it. I did suspect him to be a ball-less freak. All style and no substance. Singer was mediocre at both but at least he had the nuts to try.

  • June 2, 2005, 5:16 a.m. CST

    For The Love of God, PLEASE NOT DAVID HAYTER!!!

    by chien_sale

    This hack have been warming himself up Avi Arad`s ass for to long.

  • June 2, 2005, 1:18 p.m. CST

    The obvious answer is that Fox will hire a veteran director expe

    by JohnnyTremaine

    Could be any one of many including: George Miller, Martin Brest, John Milius, Richard Donner, John McTiernan, and on and on....

  • June 2, 2005, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Darth Homercles

    by Barron34

    My view on Singer leaving to do SUPERMAN is not that he should have sacrificed that movie for a third X-Men, but rather that he and Fox should have been reasonable with each other and put together a deal which would allow Singer to do both films. I feel the relationship between filmmaker and audience is somewhat symbiotic; we appreciate Singer for making two good X-films, and we reward him and Fox for this by buying tickets and DVDs. The flip-side of this is that the filmmakers should have at least some appreciation of their audiences, and give the people what they want. The end of X2 set us up for the Phoenix Saga. To hint or promise at this and then not to pay it off is just bad business, in my opinion, and not good creative filmmaking. I am not saying that Singer does not have the right to make whatever films he can and wants to. That is fine. Just do not expect to have an unlimited well of good-will from fans if you set-up certain expectations and then do not pay them off. In any case, I still like Singer as a filmmaker a lot, and am glad he will make movies such as SUPERMAN and whatever else he gets into. That still does not change the fact that I am disappointed that he is not making a final X-Men movie, and that he and Fox could not come to terms so that he could do so.

  • June 2, 2005, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Doug Liman (director); Jon Favreau (Beast)

    by capt. midnight

    Forget Ratner and Grammer. Liman and Favreau would be better. Just imagine the banter between Jackam and Favreau.It would be classic. Favreau has worked with Liman and Famke Janssen too.

  • June 2, 2005, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Doug Liman (director); Jon Favreau (Beast)

    by capt. midnight

    Sorry. Jackman not Jackam!:/

  • June 2, 2005, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Film Business

    by Barron34

    Also, regarding the point that film is a business and that delaying production at this point would be difficult and expensive: yes, of course. But if you re-read what was posted prior on this topic, you will see the whole argument, which addresses this point. The point is that X-Men is not just one single mvoie or sequel, but an entire franchise. Whatever costs there migth be if production is delayed will be very small compared to the loss of revenues from future X-films if the third movie is rushed and turns out to be crap. Look what happened with the Batman franchise. After Schumacher killed it, it took 8 years to let the property hibernate before the fanchise could be brought back. Warners could have made several Batman films in that period. Instead, they were not able to make any, and they probably lost hundreds of millions of dollars. The X-Men property is not as well-known to mainstream audiences as Batman is, and a shitty X-Men film may not bury the franchise for just 8 years, but possibly forever. So, yes, film IS a business, but by rushing an X-Film out, Fox may be running the risk of fucking up the franchise and losing much more revenue than what they might make by putting out a half-baked X3 in summer 06, especially by putting it right up against a major superhero movie like SUPERMAN...