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First off? Those who attended the “Serenity” screenings (and those who wish they did) will be keen to read this fabulous first-person account by cartoonist M.E. Russell.

Joss Whedon’s feature directorial debut doesn’t formally go into release until Sept. 30, but Universal so little fears bad buzz (and for good reason) that the studio on Thursday night hosted 20 screenings of “Serenity” in 20 cities. Find the verdicts below, and beware GIANTIC, UNINVISOTEXTED SPOILERS YOU LIKELY DON’T WANT TO READ …

1) “Overall the film was excellent,” says “Quirky muse.” “Anyone familiar with Angel or Buffy knows Joss Whedon takes the human condition seriously.”

Saw Serenity tonight in DC I won’t give spoilers…and I reserve a special place in hell for those that do.

But for those that loved the show, I will tell you what dangling plot threads are resolved.

Book’s past… nope, and dialogue suggests we may never know

River’s powers… a focal point of the movie, so yeah its dealt with a lot

Inara’s desire to leave the ship…yes

Inara and Mal…somewhat

Kaylee and Simon…yes

Hands of blue…hands are neither explained nor seen

Mal’s faith…yes

Wash and Zoe wanting a baby?…not so much

Reaver’s….oh my yes. Answers are given to questions you didn’t think to ask, but remember how the borg got kind of lame the more and more they were explained…yeah, well that aint the case here.

Sound in space…hard to know…appeared not to, but big battle (whoops theres a semi-spoiler) seemed to have explosions

Blue Sun or whatever that company was named….no

Overall the film was excellent, though not yet color-treated and possessing in many places filler soundtrack ( recognized Waterworld at least twice). Also a rather odd “hand of god” decision, that one must really think about it to understand (or rationalize), in the movie leads one to believe that joss may not be finished editing yet.

One final note…Anyone familiar with Angel or Buffy knows Joss Whedon takes the human condition seriously, including its frailties, so you can probably guess that outcome may not be completely “feel good”. Do yourself a favor and stay spoiler-free. Mr Whedon has gone to great links to give you your $8.00 (or how much it costs by then) worth of blood and laughter, keep up your end of the bargain

Oh, and by the way, the lovely Morena Baccarin was there with her mother as well, hope other venues got meet other crew members.

Quirky muse

2) “The movie is great!” says “Willhelm.” “If you are a fan of the show, you should definitely enjoy the movie. It’s hard to tell if it’s a movie that non fans will get.”:

Hey Harry! I was lucky enough to attend the May 26th showing of Serenity in Dallas TX and thought I'd send in a review.

First off we got to the theater an hour early and we were the last in line! There were people in costume and they were giving away prizes to people that could answer trivia questions (It looked like they were small books on Joss Whedon). So there was quite a big hoopla and everyone was obviously pumped to see the movie.

About 20 minutes before the movie they let us in and the theater was PACKED! Right before the show there was only 2 seats left in the entire room.

Onto the movie...

It starts off with the introduction by Joss which was quite good. There were many times when the crowd erupted into applause.

The movie starts off explaining how River was rescued and then moves onto the ship. The movie seems to start about midway through the series (character development wise). River and Simon are on the ship but are not yet considered a part of the crew. Of course, except for Kaylee who's still creaming for Simon. Then the Alliance and their trained assassin get involved and the shit hits the fan.

The movie is great! If you are a fan of the show, you should definitely enjoy the movie. It’s hard to tell if it’s a movie that non fans will get. They don’t spend a lot of time on back story so non fans could get confused.

The movie is classic Firefly though. The best part of Firefly was its wit and the movie has that in spades.

There is one choice in the movie that I am not too sure about though. As some people have already posted on the site, there is great tragedy in the movie. I'm not one of those people that can’t watch a movie because it doesn’t have a happy ending. I understand not every movie can be "Herbie the Love Bug" and I can handle that, but DAMN IT if it wasn’t one of my favorite characters!!! I'm just not sure about the choice, and where they will go in the future if they continue the story.

With that said, it didn’t kill the movie for me at all! It’s a great movie and like I said if you liked the series you will NOT be disappointed! If they have another Advanced Screening I will probably try to snag tickets to that too.

Just thought I would pass my opinion along,
Willhelm

3) “I might sound like I'm being negative and nitpicky, but it's only because I loved this movie so much,” says “betterJedi.” “I loved the experience and will pay to see the film a few times when it comes out in September.”:

Hello all. I had a 2 hour drive back from Atlanta last night to contemplate how to deliver this SERENITY review. I will not give any spoilers and will try and be as fair and honest about this movie as possible. You should know up front that I'm a die hard Browncoat – watched every episode that aired when it came on, bought the boxset the day it came out and have converted over twenty people into becoming Browncoats. I went through a lot of heartache (and money) to get my ticket for the 5/26 screening. I say this just so you'll know where I'm coming from.

From what I've read in other reviews, I think die hard fans of the FIREFLY show are being more critical of this movie than folks who have never seen it. Now that I've seen it I understand where they're coming from but I also think that with repeat viewings this movie will grow on any disgruntled Browncoats. I might sound like I'm being negative and nitpicky, but it's only because I loved this movie so much. If I didn't care for this movie then I wouldn't be writing a review. Because I loved it so much, the tiny imperfections really stood out to me. I can only write this review comparing the TV show versus the movie. Both are great but they are very different from one another. I know that you can't do the same type of storytelling in movies that you can with TV and vice versa so that explains some of the concerns I have about the movie.

So here we go…

1. Captain Malcolm Reynolds: in the show Mal was a 'Han Solo'-type character with some dark edges hinted at. In the show he had plenty of humor but was able to play serious very well when the need arose. When this movie starts I couldn't help but feel a little disconnected with Mal. His dark edges seem to be the focus of his character, which didn't feel right after having watched each of the episodes so many times. The problem to me was that Mal spends most of this movie being mad – mainly with his own crew. On the show Mal had the occasional run-ins with Jayne and Simon – and of course Inara. In this film you don't ever really get a sense that this is the same crew that, despite their differences, became somewhat of a dysfunctional family. Mal spends a lot of time yelling and fussing at his crew, telling them that they can leave whenever they're ready. Though that's not a complete contradiction with the TV Mal, in the old version of Mal you at least got the sense that he was fiercely loyal to his crew and would protect them no matter what. You don't get that with this Mal – at least not at first (with the exception of River). As the film progresses Mal has more and more humorous bits and seems to lighten up slightly, which worked well in the end. My main concern here is that with the audience watching this movie who knows nothing of FIREFLY might find Mal hard to understand and like right away. Those of us who know him well will probably be a little forgiving and by the time the credits roll I felt that Mal was back to being himself again.

2. Zoe: Zoe in this film is pretty much the same Zoe we had on the show, though I felt that she didn't get as many one-liners here as she did on the show. There were some great moments toward the end of the movie where her character really had a time to shine in moments of contemplation and reflection but unfortunately the movie never dares to show you those slow, character-building shots. For the most part she's likeable here. I just wish that we (especially Mal) could have spent a few quiet seconds with her near the end.

3. Wash: Wash is great. He's got some really outstanding one-liners and keeps the film from getting too dark and heavy. Though I did notice that the bulk of Wash's funny lines came in the first half of the film. He has a few great moments to shine and his character feels like one of the strongest ties that remain true to the show.

4. River: Oh River. I'll admit that she was never one of my favorites on the show but I was at least interested to find out her back story, especially with those aspects of it that are hinted at in the show. River has plenty of screen time here and I've seen in other reviews that this is her movie. I'll disagree with that. This is Mal's movie, but the plot has everything to do with River – mainly about Mal's decisions concerning what to do with River and then following him as he takes action. I didn't expect that we'd get so much information on River's background but I was pleasantly surprised about this aspect of the story. In the first ten minutes you will get a broad, general understanding of why the Alliance thinks it's vital that River is hunted down and destroyed. As the movie progresses toward a climax, River leads us to a planet where secrets are uncovered that put a more precise point to the reason why the Alliance must kill River – because of what she knows. River kicks butt in this movie and by the end of the story she's one of the characters that I liked the most. Which brings me to a major problem: her brother!

5. Simon: Simon Tam here is NOT the Simon Tam from the show unfortunately. The one on the show was a brilliant doctor but was socially a misfit – awkward in a love/no interest/is he interested relationship with Kaylee. He was a quiet man, ignorant to the ways of what it's like to live on the frontier. I think my problem with Simon in this movie is that he's too much like Mal. Simon stays mad the entire movie. That's not the Simon we knew on the show. People who never watched the show won't have a problem with this so this might not be a valid concern. I know the point to be emphasized in the movie is that Simon is willing to do anything to protect his sister. It just seems like Simon came off as a little harsh and cold and a bit of a spoiled brat, wanting to leave because he's not getting his way – not acting the least bit grateful that Mal took them in and kept them safe for the last eight months.

6. Jayne: Ah, Jayne. Jayne is Jayne and all is right with the world. He's funny – just about every line of dialogue he has is something that makes you laugh. Much like Wash, his movie character is very much the same as his television character. He's selfish, just like on the show, and is more than capable at handling the action sequences.

7. Kaylee: Kaylee, just like Jayne and Wash, is pretty much the same character in the movie as she was with the TV show. She's sweet and funny. Her character is a great sounding board for the audience – she actually delivers some thoughts and lines of dialogue to Mal that reflects what the audience is thinking. We want Mal to listen to Kaylee. She's the voice of reason.

8. Inara: I absolutely loved the way Whedon incorporated Inara into the story. I'm not a big STAR TREK fan but I at least go see the movies when they come out. One of the things that really bothered me about the last couple of TREK films is the fact that Worf was no longer a crew member on the Enterprise yet the writers seemed to go out of their way to come up with cheesy reasons to have him along for the ride – as if they didn't think they could do a TREK movie without him. This is not the case with Inara in this movie. When she first appears on a video screen to talk with Mal it's because she's vital to the story. It's no accident or cheesy circumstance that binds her with SERENITY. It's great the way she's brought in to the story. However, the poor girl has absolutely nothing to do once she's back on board. She just sort of stands around for most of the second half of the movie, watching events unfold. During the big action finale she does use a weapon that somewhat surprised me. I hope in the future that Whedon gives her more to do.

9. Book: One of the saddest things is that Book has so little screen time, yet something I was glad about is that his character is vital to the story as well. Mal needs advice. Book is the old school Yoda of the Firefly universe. He gives Mal some valuable instruction on faith. The problem is that the story is so fast paced that after Book's short screen time the crew is racing off again to their next destination. Book is fun to watch while he's on screen and the movie leaves you wishing you had more of him.

10. Whedon: he created this wonderful vision of the future, these fantastic characters that through the show became a part of each Browncoat's family, and the style of the show. Whedon wrote a great sci-fi story that surprisingly answers just about everything you wanted to know about River and he intelligently incorporates that with… well, I can't say because I don't want to spoil it for anyone. The one problem I had is that the story is so fast-paced that I feel like Whedon as a director missed some opportunities. There are moments (either sad or where a character is weighing some heavy options) that I wish we could have gotten a five to ten second shot showing the character with a contemplative look on their face. That would have given the audience a chance to catch our breath and given the story a chance to really pour on the emotional impact. Whedon wrote a funny story and he was very smart in how he tied everything together. As reported in other reviews, Whedon gives a brief introduction to the movie. This was laugh out loud funny and I'll be disappointed if it doesn't make it to the DVD. I was pleasantly surprised with an important Firefly aspect that he explains (though I can't say here in this non-spoiler review) but I was a little disappointed that there are hardly any western aspects to this story. I missed horses and small towns and that feeling of being on the wild, untamed frontier. Hopefully future stories will return a little more of that frontier feeling to the screen.

11. The story: (non-spoiler of course) coming into this movie there were three questions from the TV show that I wanted answered: A) Why does the Alliance want River so bad? B) What is Shepherd Book's real back story? C) What secret is Inara hiding about her past? Well, you get the first one answered pretty thoroughly – and in surprising ways with how River's story ties in with other aspects of the Firefly universe. We find out nothing about Book or Inara's past and I guess that's something that can be explored in the future. Talking with other Browncoats, they seem to want Whedon to keep making Firefly movies but after having seen this movie (which I loved) I find myself hoping that this comes back as a TV show and they put off doing any more movies for a while. The movie is great fun, but I would rather have twenty fun stories with these characters a year than just one great story every few years.

Hope this wasn't too long and boring. And I know it sounds like I'm bashing the movie but I'm really not. I loved the experience and will pay to see the film a few times when it comes out in September. Go see this movie. Bring a friend to it. Tell them to bring a friend. It's not a perfect movie but it at least gives new life to one of the best television shows ever aired.

Thank you Joss for making this film. Please continue telling Firefly stories.

-betterJedi

4) “My two friends and I are Joss fans though one of them had never seen Firefly whereas my girlfriend was explicitly not a Joss fan and actually wanted to go into Serenity with no background info,” says “Dallas Reaver.” “All four of us LOVED it.”:

Hi, long time reader first time reviewer etc...

I've got the reactions of four people to deal with: Me, my two friends and my girlfriend. My two friends and I are Joss fans though one of them had never seen Firefly whereas my girlfriend was explicitly not a Joss fan and actually wanted to go into Serenity with no background info(because she was pretty much in the dark for Ep III and ended up wanting to watch all six films so she wanted to give this one the same treatment).

All four of us LOVED it.

Now let me say that the fact that I walked into the film knowing that just 1 year and a few days ago, Angel ended. I've read some of the Astonishing X-Men comics but haven't been able to really get into them. They're well written, of course, but I've been out of that 'verse for so long that I wasn't able to really enjoy it. Serenity was well worth the wait.

I was lucky enough to see it in Dallas and the print I saw was pretty good but needed to be filtered or processed (my girlfriend is a film major and actually used the correct term but I don't remember what it was). There were a few inconsistencies in the film regarding the sound such as "why is there sound in space at some points but not in others?" This was a question that didn't bother me too much because the sound was used effectively i.e. there's sound in battle and atmospheric entry but not when just out in space. Well, for the most part...

At any rate, the origin of the Reavers was amazing. I've never gotten too into Firefly (more of a Buffy/Angel fan to be honest) but the scenes with the Reavers always scared me. Seeing how they were *really* created was mind blowing. Joss took this whole "can't stop the signal" line and made it important. I mean, the show and the film almost seem to be about two different things. Whereas the show was more about the characters, the film is epic in scope. Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of character development (and it's nice to see Mal be as dark as he was originally intended to be), but the film is about so much more than just the people on the boat.

I don't want to give away this major spoiler because I had accidentally read about it before seeing the film (which sucked because I actually didn't know much more about the plot other than this) but the way in which one major character died was incredibly painful. It reminds me of what Joss once said about writing for what the fans need, not for what they want. Something like that...yeah...but anyway, I walked out of this thinking "We didn't need that nor did we want it." When Wesley died at the end of Angel, it was very fitting and in hindsight, it was what we needed. This wasn't; this was borderline cruelty.

What amazed me so much was the reaction of the fans around me. With only half a season, I wasn't able to get truly involved in Firefly the way I have with other shows. This didn't quite hold true for the people around me who would gasp and mutter "oh no!" whenever something shocking happened onscreen. I just don't feel like I'm as devoted a browncoat as the others, I suppose.

But here's the crux: People keep wondering if Firefly/Serenity will replace the Star Wars/Trek void and they wonder whether people who aren't already Joss fans will even like the flick. The answer to those questions are "yes, if Universal handles the film better than Fox did" and "Yes, they can and they will." The two of us who had seen the show agreed that Serenity was better while the other Joss fan (but Firefly neophyte) was definitely engrossed in the story. Finally, my girlfriend isn't into sci-fi, she even got mad at me for being so into Buffy...she walked out of the film and told me "I really liked it, I can't wait to see it again when it's cleaned up and actually released."

Score one for the Browncoats.

If you choose to post this, call me the Dallas Reaver

5) “The movie was amazing, I have to say,” says “Lithera.” “The space battles were amazing and more impressive, to me at least, than the Star Wars battles.”:

I know you all got a lot of review from the first batch of Serenity vewings but I just wanted to add my two cents. There will be some spoilers in here so, all of you reading beware.

The movie was amazing, I have to say. There were a few places where there were problems and I don't know how much will be fixed in post production but I will be seeing it then. The space battles were amazing and more impressive, to me at least, than the Star Wars battles. They weren't nearly as shiny but they rang closer to true for me.

The entire film was very tightly paced. I think there are a few places where it might be a little too quickly paced, a little too tight. For at least the last thirty minutes, you don't get to catch your breath, things are coming at you so closely.

There were some complaints I saw in previous reviews that I want to address. The first is that characters die. Of course they die. If there were no risk to the characters than we wouldn't love them as much. Part of what I love about Joss Whedon is he isn't afraid of taking aim at great characters because he wants to spare them. No. This is a real world he's making and there are consequences, there are balances and I don't think we've seen them all yet. There is a further story to tell here if this movie does well enough.

Another complaint I saw was that there wasn't enough grieving. I can't disagree more. (HUGE SPOILER) Zoe grieved in the way she understood. She flipped out for a few moments and then snapped into psychotic vengeful mode. She was going to kill the people coming after them and she was going to kill them all - personally. Even at the very end when she and Mal have that conversation about the ship... He's asking her about how she's fairing. (END SPOILER)

I will say that I think Book got the short end of the stick here. I understand why he doesn't really get more time but I don't think we get enough time here to feel that Haven really is a haven for these people that are running so hard.

I enjoyed catching all of the music holders (5th Element anyone?) and I know I will be in line when this comes out in September. There will be a lot of Firely DVD sets being given out as presents between now and then.

-Lithera

6) “I'm a casual fan of ‘Firefly,’ saw the show on DVD, liked it...didn't love it,” says “Paul in Stratford.” “Sadly, I must say that this movie won't go beyond pleasing anyone but the dedicated fan base.”:

Greetings gents,

I was privileged to see a 4-month early look at Joss Whedon's "Serenity". Now, I'm a casual fan of "Firefly", saw the show on DVD, liked it...didn't love it. But I figured, why not check out a screening of the flick to see how it would play to me and my friend who never even heard of "Firefly". Sadly, I must say that this movie won't go beyond pleasing anyone but the dedicated fan base. Fanboys and girls of "Firefly" and all things Browncoated, enjoy! You will definitely have a good time. To everyone else, this plays as if you should be home on your couch, holding a remote and turning said remote to the Sci-Fi Channel. Whomever wrote that this movie is epic must have been a plant. The effects were on par, maybe a little better than the TV show. The settings were just a few notches above the idiot box as well. I didn't hate the movie, but it left me with such a "Star Trek: Insurrection" feeling. You know the one, as if they just made me sit through an overblown episode of "Firefly". Not disappointing, but it will NOT be a huge blockbuster. I give this to the realm of cult status.

That's my short and sweet non-spoiler review, and I'm sticking to it.

Paul
Stratford, CT

7) “Serenity is one hell of a great movie and it was purely satisfying for me,” says “Joel C.” “I read somewhere that this would make a great season one finale for the show. But screw that--this would make one hell of a SERIES finale.”:

Just saw the Portland screening of Serenity. I'm going to try to give you a review with very mild spoilers in case you're interested.

First of all, I'm a big fan of Firefly, as you would probably imagine. So I'm not unbiased, to be certain. With that out of the way, let me say that Serenity is one hell of a great movie and it was purely satisfying for me. I read somewhere that this would make a great season one finale for the show. But screw that--this would make one hell of a SERIES finale.

The focus of the movie is on River and just what is up with her. Right off the bat, we see Simon breaking her out of an Alliance facility and we partly learn why the Alliance is so hell bent on getting her back. As the movie progresses, you'll learn quite a bit about her backstory, about what the Alliance was doing to her and about the abilities she has.

Now, the nice thing about a movie as opposed to a TV show is that storylines can be better wrapped up. While not every storyline and question was concluded, we got the full backstory on River and found out all about the Reavers, and that's not something that you're going to get in a television episode. You need to keep those storylines going for awhile. With the show gone and this movie possibly being it (yes, I hope for sequels, but you never know) it was great to see Joss just lay it all on the line. As I said, the movie played, for me, like a series finale. There could be sequels, without question, but this would also be a satisfactory end.

The movie is a very different beast from the television show. The characters, for starters, are slightly different. Mal is darker and more frazzled, Simon is more combative, Kaylee seems a bit more forthright. There are some other differences as well. The movie also feels as if a lot has happened between the last episode of the series and where this picks up. Joss really pushes the sense of struggling for survival to a greater degree than he did in the show--in any of the episodes. There is a greater desperation pervading the atmosphere of the movie and the moral ambiguity from the series is on full display and ratcheted up a few notches right from the outset. Malcolm Reynolds is definitely a good guy, but he isn't exactly a straight up hero, either. He's a flawed character, a flawed human being hoping to do what's right but also willing, at times, to do what may be wrong.

And have no doubt, this movie gets very dark the longer it goes on. There's plenty of humorand lots of lines that got big laughs. But there's a heaviness, a darkness, that will weigh on you as the movie unravels itself. Nothing is safe in this movie.

The way I see it, you have two big concerns with Serenity. One is that it will play like a two hour, thirty million dollar episode of Firefly rather than a real movie and the second is that people who don't know a thing about this universe or these characters won't be able to follow or enjoy the movie.

The first concern is largely moot. This damn well is a movie and not an episode of Firefly. Everything is bigger and badder, the storylines are better resolved, the plot is much more bleak and nothing is held back--there are scenes in which the movie is devastating. Everything is bigger, with rougher edges and a lack of that TV polish that always seems to keep the plot from becoming too harsh. I never felt like this played as a big TV episode--in fact, it had a very distinctly different feel than the television show. This is a movie, plain and simple. Granted, it's a sci fi movie with a relatively low budget, but they still make good use of it. This could easily pass as having had a bigger budget. Perhaps the point when the lack of money is most evident is during a fairly large space battle that just is not seen that much. It's still a great, tense scene, but you get the sense that with a larger budget, there would have been more shots of the actual battle in space.

Now, will nonfans like the movie? I'm very biased, but I really think that people who don't know the show will still really enjoy the movie. It's funny, it's fast paced, it's filled with action, it's incredibly tense and suspenseful and has a fascinating story. I think the characters are introduced well enough that people will be able to follow along with minimal confusion. The basic backstory on the universe is laid out in a very simple manner right at the beginning. I don't think it's a particularly hard movie to follow and there is damn near NO downtime throughout the entire flick. The hardest part is going to be getting people into the theater in the first place, since it's a bit of a hard sell concept and there are no big stars. But if you can get the people in the theater, I think they're going to really enjoy it.

So that's about what I have to say. Fans of the show should love the movie and I'm relieved to say that if this is the last we see of this universe, fans should go away satisfied. People who have never seen the show? I think they're in for a treat and I hope they'll give the movie a shot. It's incredibly entertaining and affecting, period, and it's a movie that will stay with you long after you leave the theater.

8) “Serenity is the most entertaining movie from start to finish I've seen in a long time,” says “Boston Browncoat”:

Serenity is the most entertaining movie from start to finish I've seen in a long time. The acting is great and there are countless parts in the movie when the dialogue is funny one moment and chilling the next.

I hope this movie makes money so they'll make another sequel or at least greenlight another TV series. In my humble opinion, the Star Wars prequel pale in comparison to Serenity, especially the already overrated Episode III. You'll find no "She's lost the will to live!" or "NOOOO!!!" dialogue in Serenity.

A little side note, I drove from Boston to Providence last night to see this movie expecting to see maybe twenty or thirty people in the theater. I arrived at 9:45 and it was packed. I had to walk around for 10 minutes to find an open spot, and when I did, I heard how people paid over $100 per ticket to see this movie and drove all the way from Philadelphia to Providence just to see it. It's nice to have something this cool us geeks can gather around once again...

If you use this call me

Boston Browncoat

9) “While I always admired the whole Browncoats movement, I wouldn’t have considered myself one of them. Until I saw this gorram movie, that is!” says “Zombie Messiah.” “All I can say is... WOW.”:

Harry-

I was at the Boston screening of Serenity last night. It was the Loew’s theater’s biggest screen (700 people capacity) and the place was packed 45 minutes before the screening started. No celebs there this time, but a local TV station (CN8) was in attendance interviewing fans for a feature of some sort.

A lot of people had clearly attended the earlier screening, but this was my first time and I was really excited to see what Joss had come up with. I was a fan of the Firefly TV series, but I don’t own the DVDs and haven’t seen the unaired episodes yet. So while I always admired the whole Browncoats movement, I wouldn’t have considered myself one of them. Until I saw this gorram movie, that is!

All I can say is... WOW. Actually, more than wow—I thought the movie hit every note perfectly and gave each character a moment to shine, although I think Book was underutilized a little (but used to good effect in the plot) and, of course, Nathan Fillion absolutely stole the show. Capt Mal is like Han Solo on a really, really, really bad day. Let’s just say I don’t see Joss revising his movie in 20 years and making Greedo shoot first—there’s no doubt that Mal is absolute badass in this pic.

The crowd loved the movie, and while it was almost exclusively made up of Firefly fans, it bodes well that the movie doesn’t disappoint them/us. I think the start of the movie might be a tad inaccessible for new viewers (that’s a lot of characters to keep track of), but each character really does emerge with his/her own personality and has a moment or two that steals the show. Wash is very, very funny, and Jayne gets almost all of the great one-liners. The only one who really doesn’t do much of interest is Zoe, although she has a nice moment with Mal early on after an encounter with the Reavers that goes a long way to revealing the moral dilemmas that Mal lives with as captain of the ship.

In summary, this movie really captures the spirit of the TV show, but makes it a little more mainstream scifi (less cowboy stuff) and should—with proper marketing and word of mouth like this—be a sleeper hit for Universal. I foresee lots of repeat visits to the multiplex for people who see the movie. I know I’ll be back in September.

If you use this, call me.... Zombie Messiah

10) “It's just shy of perfection,” says “Anonymous Firely Freak.” “I realized about three quarters in I'd had a dumb grin on my face.”:

Hey there Harry,

Take this for what it's worth--a very biased review from a Buffy/Angel/all around Joss freak. In spite of all that, I didn't watch Firefly when it originally aired (Universal's marketing it with Joss' name is dead-on, by the way, and exactly what Fox should have done . . . but nevermind.) I bought the series on DVD, and I was hooked from the second or third episode.

So I beat the odds and managed to get tickets to one of the Serenity screenings tonight (and I got the nifty special keychain to prove it). Joss had a hilarious personal message before the film. ("You all made this happen . . . so if it's bad, it's your fault.)

Into the film. To be quick, it's just shy of perfection. I realized about three quarters in I'd had a dumb grin on my face.

SPOILER ALERT!

The Good River kicking Reaver ass. River in general. Everything Jayne says, does . . . and wears (check out the graphic on the t-shirt). The resolution to all dangling plotlines from the series. Video tombstones. Sexbots! The Wrath of Khan moment. "Screw this, I'm gonna live!"

The Not-So-Good Zoe's weird reaction to a certain someone's untimely demise. A couple delivery issues (the "battery-operated" comment.) Some scenes need trimming--the pace is off here and there.

Now, I liked Star Wars Ep III, but to go from that script to a Whedon script . . . I can tell you which movie I'll be seeing again, and buying on DVD . . .

So Joss, fix some minor stuff, and it's a home run.

See it. And get yourself a birthday present and buy Firefly on DVD. You deserve it.

-Anonymous Firely Freak

11) “Firefly fully restored my faith in network television. My wife and I are Buffy and Angel fans, but not fanatics. Firefly made me a fanatic, says “Anna Morfick.” “What did I think of SERENITY? A mixed bag. There was a LOT of stuff I liked, some things I loved, but also a few fundamental gripes.”:

Hey guys,

Last night, I had the honor (read as "luck") of attending the second Boston screening of Joss Whedon's SERENITY. Seeing as how I'm so goram tired right now and I'm still trying to fully process what I thought of the film, this is going to be somewhat less lengthy than I originally planned.

Let me start by saying that I've been a browncoat since Fox first aired the pilot episode, err, I mean "The Train Job." As hard as Fox tried to bury this show, with its terrible time slot and unaired, out-of-sequence episodes, Firefly fully restored my faith in network television. My wife and I are Buffy and Angel fans, but not fanatics. Firefly made me a fanatic. The dialogue, the cast, the music, Whedon's remarkable ability to combine every genre under the sun and make it work seamlessly. So, when I heard about the Big Damned Movie, "giddy" doesn't begin to explain my mood. Yeah, yeah, but what did I think of SERENITY?

(No spoilers in the following two paragraphs) A mixed bag. There was a LOT of stuff I liked, some things I loved, but also a few fundamental gripes. I think die-hard fans will find plenty to thrill over and get an absolute kick out of seeing everyone on the big screen; I know I did. Newbies who have never seen Firefly are going to have questions, but it's still a fun movie any way you slice it. I spoke with 3 guys last night en route to our cars in the Boston Common Garage, and one of them was a rookie. He really liked it. And that makes me happy.

The print was clearly unfinished and didn't look nearly as shiny as the Quicktime trailer. The result was a dark print without much in the Visual Punch department. The audio was also unfinished (I hope) and sounded rather flat. I hope the surround track kick ass come September. The film needs some spit and polish and some tighter editing here and there. But all told, I gave it a qualified "B" with the hope that September will bring us at least an "A-"

(*** Spoilers ahead. Beware! ***) This is hard for me, because I've never before uttered a criticism of the Firefly 'verse. If you know and love the show, the things you love about the movie will be obvious and loved by all fellow browcoats. (Simon and Kaylee... HOORAY! ; Reaver backstory... very interesting stuff and nice to finally know how the hell THEY happened; River kicking some serious booty...all good things) Ejiofor as The Operative and David Krumholtz were great additions; Ejiofor in particular had commanding screen presence.

What I want to focus on however is the negative. The stuff that has me hoping that Joss reads this and decides to make some changes. In a nutshell: where's the fun? The show was often exciting, often scary and often serious, but there was a lightheartedness coarsing through its veins. I didn't sense that nearly enough last night. There were plenty of hysterical moments and one-liners, but they seemed almost out of place considering the weighty tone and driving plot of the film. Also, Firefly gave us a family. They laughed together, ate together and fought together. The film needs to show more of that love that exists between them all. (Yes, even for Jayne.)

Wash, Inara, Kaylee and Book were all vastly underutilized and didn't get nearly enough screen time for my tastes. I know the story revolved around Simon and River, but the others seemed more like co-stars or cameos and less like the ensemble leads they were on Firefly. Wash was always a favorite of mine and it was upsetting that he wasn't more integral. He does get a kickass sequence to shine, but my Wash quota wasn't fulfilled as I hoped it would be.

The music... was ok, nothing great. I really wanted to hear that awesome Firefly theme song at some point but it never happened. Unacceptable! More fiddles, more banjo and more cowbell! (OK, maybe not cowbell) This brings me to my final complaint. I loved that Firefly was a sci-fi/western (among other things) and I felt that they almost complely eliminated the western-ness in SERENITY. This saddens me because it's probably that unique combination that made Firefly so unique to immediately capture my interest. Here, they gloss over the Old West-ish state of the border planets and keep everything feeling rather futuristic. Hmm.

I know Joss said that "now is a time for quiet" if we didn't like the film. Well, you might not know it from reading my comments, but I loved the film. I did. But I also had some issues with it. There is a ton of time between now and Sept 30. I hope that comments like these will not fall on deaf ears and SERENITY becomes what it truly has the potential to be: a fitting finale to one of the greatest series ever aired on prime time television.

No power in the 'verse will stop me from seeing this again come September...

Anna Morfick

12) “Serenity is fantastic,” says “M Satori.” “Whether or not you've seen the show is irrelevant.”:

I'm a long-time reader of this site but have never had a chance to review anything for it. But tonight I saw Serenity. I'm not going to bother setting it up, what the crowd was like, what my experience getting to the theater was like, or any of the other introductions some of your reviewers provide. It doesn't matter.

I watched Firefly when it was on the air, liked it, watched the full DVD set shortly after it came out, loved it. I'm not a raving Whedonite, and though I did enjoy much of Buffy I felt it went downhill very steeply towards the end. That's my bias, if you care to know where I'm coming from. It doesn't matter either.

Serenity is fantastic.

Whether or not you've seen the show is irrelevant. Having no small prior attachment to Firefly, I'm not going to even pretend to distance myself from it, and I might've enjoyed the movie more because I had that attachment going in to it. But there's truly nothing that you need to know going in to this movie that isn't adequately explained up front. You might not have all the nuances, but you're given every piece of information you need. There's as much introduction to the setting and insight into the characters as you get in any movie, and there's plenty of character development on screen. It stands on its own.

Serenity might not be high art. It might not be particularly deep or impart valuable life lessons, though I think you could argue that if you're so inclined. It has a very fast-paced plot, so it might not linger on a few scenes as long as some might like. But it's never fast-paced enough to be confusing or feel forced. It's got a couple of cliches, but they're handled better than you'd find in most mainstream pictures.

Is this movie perfect? I could nitpick a few minor points, but honestly I'm so pleased with it I don't really care to sully my experience of it with personal gripes. It is so obvious that every scene in this movie was made with genuine passion for the material, that it makes me feel like my very minor complaints (which I'll go into in the spoiler section at the end) aren't even worth caring about.

Above all else, *that* is why I will tell you to see this movie. The passion. If you read this site, you're like me in some way. You love some aspect of fandom, you love some show, some comic, some movie, *something* enough to come here and read these reviews and flame each other in these talkbacks and speculate about casting decisions for movies that may never get made. You have felt this passion for something, and it's left its mark on you. And I'd bet that you've probably been let down at some point when something you felt so passionately about was handled badly. Whether it was a poorly-adapted novel, or a TV show that lost its way, or a promising concept that got focus-grouped apart and put through the wringer of the Hollywood process until the soul of it was bled dry and all that remained was the trappings of something you could have once loved. If you really care about the stuff that gets reported on this site, you probably know what that's like.

Well, that didn't happen here. There's a damn good reason why so many Firefly fans who've been to the preview screenings are raving about this movie. It's because this thing we feel so passionate about has been beaten down by the system and survived intact. The very existence of this movie is a big Fuck You to the shallow executives at Fox who tried to scuttle the series. It is a living testament to the power of fandom, an example of what can happen when word spreads and suddenly this thing that was written off by the people in power has a million advocates shouting its glories so loudly that they can't be ignored.

How often can you remember that happening? How often do you get a chance to revisit something precious to you that seemed gone forever?

I'd implore you to see this movie for that reason alone - I don't want to see this opportunity squandered. And it is an opportunity, a chance to set an example that the process isn't always right. I'd want you to see the movie so that maybe, if only for a brief second, it would give pause to the purveyors of conventional wisdom in Hollywood and make the marketers sit down and have to actually ponder what made it successful.

But quite honestly, I think you'll like it. At the *very least* I do not think you will regret seeing this movie in a theater - it has a great many moments of pure action entertainment, a healthy dose of humor, and enough emotional resonance that anyone could identify with something in it. You never know - you might even catch this impassioned fever you see so many of us sharing.

What is Serenity? A story about some good-hearted outlaws harboring a girl who was turned into a psychic assassin who is now being pursued from planet to planet by the fascist government that created her for her knowledge of their secrets, secrets shocking enough to stir a solar system to revolt if they got out.

It's a well-made sci-fi flick with a quick wit, honest and utterly convincing characterization, and some clever ideas that neither define the genre or nor go off in some groundbreaking direction. But it is genuine in its approach to the material, and it just feels earnest from start to finish. That's what takes it from good to exceptional in my mind.

Moderate Spoilers follow.................................................................

I think just about any fan of the series is in for some serious pay-offs. You learn what happened to River and why she's being hunted. You get a great deal of insight into the Reavers. You see some significant character development with Mal, and really with nearly all of the main characters. You learn more about the government and why the war was worth fighting in the first place. You get dozens of lovely character moments that you're waiting for.

There are two character deaths that I'd like to address briefly. While I thought the scene of the first death was a little cliched, I can see why it was necessary to inspire the rest of the story. I've seen some people complaining about the second character death, how it seemed like the rest of the cast didn't grieve the loss and just kept moving. I disagree, as their grief was evident and given some mention later in the film - what happens is that we as an audience don't get the chance to grieve for the character after the death occurs. The movie doesn't slow down for it. I found that entirely consistent with the events unfolding on the screen though, as there was no time for the characters to stop if they wanted to live, and I think that makes it all the more poignant, especially given the character's personality and last words.

If I felt like complaining, I'd say that the introduction of a new character - Mr. Universe - isn't fleshed out enough. If I hadn't seen the show, I'd probably assume that he'd been introduced previously, as they don't really set him up much. Still, it's a really minor complaint, as his place in the movie is pretty easily understood. ..................................end of spoilers

The only other concern I have is that this movie is very fast-paced. I don't think that will be a problem for fans of Firefly, but it might leave some newcomers scratching their heads in a few places. But the movie is always comprehensible, never boring and keeps your focus on the events as they unfold, so much so that it should satisfy most people and will likely delight many.

It's not a perfect movie. But it's really fucking good. It's worth your time.

Believe it.

If you use this, call me M Satori.

Thank you.

13) “If you're a fan of the tv show, this is DEFINITELY a treat,” says “Xmenfan.” “If you're not a fan of the show, well then, it's hard to say.”:

..I don't care, i'm still free, you can't take the sky from meeeeeee..

If you're a fan of Joss Whedon, then those song lyrics are probably as familiar to you as the back of your hand. If that's the case, you will probably reasonably enjoy Whedon's flick, Serenity, an 2 hour film sequal of sorts to his cancelled(though critically acclaimed and beloved by fans) 13 episode series known as Firefly. If you're not a fan...well...

I'm getting ahead of myself. For the uninitiated, the tv show Firefly was a sci-fi western hybrid which followed the weekly adventures of a band of rag tag smugglers led by their Captain Mal Reynolds(Nathan Fillion) who rode around in a big spaceship called Serenity. 2 of the crew were the Tams, Simon(Sean Maher) and River(Summer Glau). They were fugitives on the run from the evil Alliance of planets and River was a hot commodity because she had psychic powers(or something or another). The crew was rounded out by Jayne the muscular comic relief(Adam Baldwin), Wash the loveable pilot(Alan Tudyk), Zoe the captain's first mate and wife of Wash(Gina Torres), The ship's resident classy prostitute Inara(Morena Baccarin), a preacher/shepard named Book(Ron Glass), and Kaylee the cute mechanic(Jewel Staite). Every week the crew would get into some sort of swashbuckling heist OR they'd be on the run from the Alliance who were trying to get River back and we'd often learn more about her "mysterious past".

The movie is pretty much the same sort of thing. In the movie version, we get a new bounty hunter(Chiwetal Ejiofor) looking for River. The movie seems to be acting as some sort of season finale(or even series finale) for the series. 2 major characters loose their lives, we learn a lot about River's secrets, and their is definite closure.

Enough about the plot, you want to know if it's a good movie right? Well, yes and no and theirin lies the problem.

If you're a fan of the tv show, this is DEFINITELY a treat. You will at least like it and many, MANY of you will outright love it. I'm a hardcore Whedon fan and i thought it was hilarious(when played for comedy), action packed(the fight scenes were good. They had a certain kind of realism to them that many film fights lack) and best of all, fantastic drama(if the climax of the film doesn't move you in some way, you're just not a fan.). The acting is also amazing as usual. Ron Glass and Morena Baccarin have too little to do but given the size of the cast and how much needed to be done, it's understandable.

If you're not a fan of the show, well then, it's hard to say. I think even if you've never seen the show, it's definitely an entertaining and thought provoking sci-fi film and for many that will be enough. But unfortunatly, i'm not sure it is. For example, during one of the big character deaths, I said to myself,"wow, that's really sad and shocking but If i was someone who hadn't seen that character for 13 hours of tv, what would I think?". I know exactly what I would've thought. I would've thought,"well, that's shocking and sad but i dont' really care".

And that's why ultimately Serenity is pretty much just a really REALLY entertaining fanboy movie. For someone who already loves these characters, it's a slamdunk. I do. I'll be seeing the film again come September and buying the dvd. But for an outsider, at best, it's just "an entertaining sci-fi film". It's dialogue is amazing(but again, that also kinda depends on your tolerance for Whedon's dialogue) but unless you already care about these characters you're gonna sit there and go,"yeah, that's nice but why should i care?". I recommend it but I'm afraid the movie might be too fan inclusive for it's own good.

9/10 or 4/5 at movieman's site.( http://www.moviemansguide.com/) That’s where I’m a reviewer at.

p.s., Universal has a real uphill battle on it's hands. The fans will be there. They'll get there 20 million plus opening weekend, but I don't think this'll go further than 50 million domestic.

14) “Is a rough cut of Serenity worth a $50 ticket on Ebay and a 400 mile roundtrip?” asks the Tredeger. “Oh my. Let me count the reasons.”

Just got back from the D.C. screening of the new rough cut of Serenity. Morena in attendance. Tremendous experience. extensive review attached. Basically spoiler free. Do with as you please. Please delete anything you deem to be too spoilerish.

cheers, Jazz Tigan

My last review for aintitcoolnews was the very first review of a little show called Lost. Nothing was more thrilling than being mistaken for a plant in talkback. Here, I’d like to take the time to answer the question:

Is a rough cut of Serenity worth a $50 ticket on Ebay and a 400 mile round trip?

Oh my. Let me count the reasons. In excruciating detail. This is by far the most sustained visceral experience a film has given me since, well, possibly ever.

For the record, this will not be a perfectly glowing review, but a spoiler free analysis of what we as fans can expect in September. The movie also goes a long way in clarifying the future of the Firefly verse, and I’ll try to cover that as well.

I am cursed with an affinity for prematurely cancelled television. My enduring sadness toward Farscape: Peacekeeper Wars was that a story was told in four hours (including adverts) that should have been given 23 episodes. As the curtain call begins for Serenity I am acutely aware of the fact that I’m not going to get a full season or even a 3 hour film. More than anything else, I fear this movie will fail to find it’s proper balance.

My pet theory for why great television often fails to make a suitable transition to film revolves around the notion that “epic” means something entirely different in the two media. Failures of scope and scale derail this transition more often than any other factor. An epic film should feel like the Iliad. It may take place over a decade, but the time frame is condensed in the telling, Hektor and Achilles must die, and Troy must be reduced to a smoldering ruin. Epic television feels like the Aeneid. The journey is the thing and the passage of time should be a major force shaping the growth and development of the characters. Mr. Whedon has demonstrated an unsurpassed mastery for telling Odysseys but can he cap a half season masterpiece with a 2 hour film and leave us feeling fulfilled?

First, the Audience: I didn’t see any of the Universal people taking note of the gender distribution of the audience, but if they had, I think they would have been left scratching their heads and wondering if they were screening a sci-fi flick or a movie with the word Sisterhood in the title. The ratio was about 3-2 female (which for SF is basically unprecedented).

Best part of the experience: I just can’t bury the lead here, mine was the D.C. screening in which the surpassingly lovely Ms. Baccarin was in attendance with her equally lovely mother. There was much speculation as to who might be in attendance, and upon her introduction, I couldn’t help but blurt out “We win!” A fine laugh of agreement from the crowd even if 3/5ths of them were not so secretly craving Adam Baldwin. Ms. Baccarin stayed for the entire screening and reported that it was a rather different cut from the last screening. I do rather wish I had the proper basis for comparison. There was an autograph signing afterward and for those of you who are wondering, yes, she is that ridiculously beautiful in person. She is also exceptionally gracious and seemed genuinely appreciative of the fans.

The Movie:

Exposition: Less than 10 minutes. Concise yet comprehensive. In media res at it’s very best. You get the sense that Joss could have made a twenty minute version of Episodes I & II that would have rocked that galaxy far far away. And that’s my last comparison to that other space story. Though the comparisons at the current time are inevitable, it’s much more interesting to compare Serenity to the rest of the Whedon canon.

Before the film began, I set out to continually ask the question: How would this story play to the Firefly neophyte? The opening scene flashes back to the Tams’ escape from the central planets (this is hardly a spoiler). Despite knowing that they must succeed, I was completely caught up in the suspense of the action - a remarkable feat indeed. But the uninitiated will experience this in a completely different way, in a manner that is almost diametrically opposed to that of the learned browncoat. After all, they don’t know who these people are or if they will evade the bad men.

In fact, this dual experience turns out to hold for large swathes of the film, both from the standpoint of the plot and, more impressively, our sense of the characters. It is clear that Joss took exceeding pains to craft (and craft is definitely the right word) his scenes so that they work seamlessly in either experience. Suffice to say that he tells one story to those out of the loop which can be appreciated on its own merits. For those in the know, the story is infinitely richer, and deserves all kinds of praise for never playing like a series of inside jokes and homages. Instead, it simply says welcome back to this ‘Verse, everything is still where we left it, please come in and stay a while. A wonderful callback to the crybaby device is tossed off casually without unnecessary fanfare. We are grown up enough not to need a wink and a nudge and Joss respects that.

Fans, please admire the way we step out of the escape scene. Notice how it brings the newbie through the entire series history with a driving question that propels them through the scenes to come despite their ignorance. Then enjoy the fact that we aren’t left tapping our toes while the rest of the world plays catch up. Rather, we’re catching our breath after the introduction of the new nemesis (is anyone really a villain in the Verse?). When we last left off, we were celebrating our triumph over Jubal Early and now Joss hits us over the head with a wet fish and says “um, don’t get too comfortable, I’m sending this your way…right now”. Still before credits roll. This may be the greatest achievement of Joss’s career destined to go unrecognized and unappreciated. Given the unique history of this project, he ’s chosen the most difficult route as a writer and pulled off a singular feat in story structure. Chock full of lessons for the film school set. But I digress.

The continuity error that wasn’t: In Objects in Space, as the gang discusses River’s abilities, Simon professes extreme skepticism at the notion of psychic powers. We discover in the very first moments of the film that Simon is well aware of River’s psychic peculiarities. I took this to be a continuity error until I realized that it would be entirely natural for Simon to feign ignorance to the rest of the crew in an effort to protect his sibling. But it took a second thought.

Moving on. Roll credits. Tracking shot through the ship as Simon and Mal have one serious disagreement. It could have played as a director on his first feature film trying to do too much with the camera. It could have looked like a film student’s version of *that* shot from *that* gangster movie. It did not. It felt like a loving tribute to the 10th character. A shot that was always implied in the feel of the series.

On that note, I come upon my first disappointment. The interior of the ship really feels different on the big screen. Sort of the opposite of coming back to a childhood home where everything feels smaller. Visually, everything feels a little further away from everything else. Nothing seems quite as cozy. This may have been intentional, as the story is not a cozy one, but Kaylee’s room, the kitchen table, and the room with the yellow couch all felt way too spacious and a touch forbidding.

The second thing you notice right away with this shot is that Mal is not a happy camper this outing. When you consider the series as a whole, you have a really rich sense of a multifaceted character. Malcolm Reynolds has more moods than a leopard has spots. And we never feel like we’ve seen them all. That ability to surprise with nuance was Nathan Fillon’s supreme gift to the series. But look back now at each episode in the series and you also notice that each one has it’s own internal consistency. Each one is intimately tied to Malcolm’s moods, rhythms, dispositions, fears and struggles at that point in time. The Message and Out of Gas are light-years away from Trash and Shindig. It would be an utter mistake to try to present all the facets of this character in a single story. No fear of that. But what is absolutely shocking shocking shocking is which Malcolm Reynolds Joss decided to put on the big screen. If Joss starts telling you in September that he’s really presenting a darker vision of his Verse than in the past, well he IS NOT SPINNING YOU.

I don’t know how he managed to do it, but this Malcolm is 100% free of studio input. From my vantage, I believe he could very well be utterly unappealing to the uninitiated. He isn’t sold as an action figure, but he isn’t sold as a slick anti-hero either. He is so much more. Let me put it this way: Black and white look the same in any light. The most interesting thing about a given shade of grey is that it appears differently depending upon the light in which it is cast. And our Mr. Reynolds is many different shades of grey. He is NOT a samurai, NOT a ronin, and definitely NOT a Jedi Knight. He is not a soldier either. Anymore. But he was once upon a time and a true believer. On the loosing side. And now things are about as bad as they can be.

The Malcolm Reynolds of this film is a man fighting for his life and in the process doing battle with his own sense of right, wrong, honor and purpose.

It’s truly something to behold. He doesn’t have a clear cut code, but he does have a strong internal compass, and we watch him struggle with these varying shades, constantly trying to find the right balance in a perpetually shifting set of circumstances. And he lies to himself. But if you’ve never witnessed his Shindig side, it can be offputting to say the least.

Malcolm makes choices that surprise him. And that means they can surprise us.

It is my great and abiding hope that the audience is worthy of Joss’s trust and bravery. He has decided to put forth the dark Malcolm that this dark story required, rather than shoe horn a more palatable and charming rendition into what becomes an inexorably woeful tale. May we respond with a recognition that this is a rare gift in film, let alone this genre. Otherwise, this may become the rationale for denying Mr. Whedon the director’s chair he deserves. That’s pessimistic- after all, they let him get this far and it’s an astonishing result.

Harrison Ford’s genius with Indy was that for all the character’s swagger, when the moment of true peril came, he allowed Indy to show fear and uncertainty. This meant that Indy could be brave rather than fearless and that the outcome was unknown, making suspense possible. And this makes all the difference. Malcolm Reynolds is one of the first characters in a long time to go this direction, escaping the trap of Terminators and Neos.

I am certain I have failed to adequately recognize the contribution Nathan Fillon has played in imbuing Mal with a true inner fire. Let me simply say that he owns Mal through to the core and leave it at that.

SO WHAT’S BAD? Are you a brown coat or a brown nose? OK, OK, let’s get merciless.

My only heartfelt complaint about the original series (aside from its premature demise, pre-emption by baseball and the order in which episode saw air) is that when Kaylee hands River her Ice Planet in The Message, River fails to lock the two planets together like nun chucks and draw the cords tight to create a stable platform from which to eat. I cherish that complaint for its exceeding pettiness. Does the film achieve this level of perfection? Well…

Pacing. As one audience member aptly observed, I was on the edge of my seat the entire time. This was exciting but I didn’t have time to breath. From the master of the slow reveal and the stunningly rapid climax comes a film whose frenzy, though always escalating, is unrelenting. There is a strong argument to be made that this film desperately needs 5 more minutes. And they need to be in the middle. Give me a still point from which I can take my bearings.

The action sequences are hit and miss. I don’t know how much control Joss has over making changes and re-shoots, so any changes may be restricted to the editing bay, but there is definitely room to improve some of the action. I think Joss may be showing some directorial insecurity here - it almost feels as though he’s trying to meet what he thinks are filmic expectations with the fight choreography when I humbly submit that if he meets the highest expectations that he set with Buffy, Angel, and Firefly he can’t possibly go wrong. Alexandra DuPont is exactly right in her AICN review on this issue. In some of the sequences, the timing is a bit even and could benefit from some staccato. Some of the moves fail to read. Maybe they are more filmic, but that doesn’t mean they are as much fun. Please go review Buffy v. Faith, Angel v. Hamilton, Angel v. Spike, Spike during the Boxer rebellion!, Buffy v. Glory, etc. etc. Buffy v. Aprilbot (ok, not really). Summer Glau’s choreography is generally delightful but is at it’s best when it is at it’s most balletic. Often when it seems almost slow and casual. A few fast moves to break up the rhythm but you could probably cut out one or two knock downs in each fight and vastly improve them. Otherwise, they can read like more of the same. The camera maybe moves too much in these scenes and we’re left with, as Ms. DuPont aptly observes a fair amount of geographical confusion. In sharp contrast: Any time Zoic’s work is on the screen, it is absolutely riveting. Flawless timing, spacing, pacing, camera work. It definitely recalls the jawdropping work that they brought to the small screen in the original Serenity pilot. I’m a character animation student and if Zoic ever ventures into character work, they will fly to the top of my list of dream jobs. It is a terrible betrayal of their work that BSG adds sound to the vacuum of space.

And on that note, let me say now - Universal, Joss, Cast & Crew, pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease let space be silent. I did hear some laser fire, etc. during exterior shots in space and I hope this will disappear. The only thing you should hear in space is a score as haunting as that of The Message or as foreboding as the pilot episode. And there is nothing as wonderfully jarring as the sound of vacuum abruptly giving way to the sound of atmo on re-entry. One of the delights of the genre done right.

OK, there is one shot of the Reavers methodically tearing a yellow spaceship apart that doesn’t look quite so hot. I’m thinking there’s a fireball that’s supposed to be composited into the shot? Still, I’m pretty sure I don’t like the staging and it doesn’t seem up to par with everything else. Which is as fine as I’ve seen anywhere, including my mind’s eye.

More raves about Zoic - the space battle sequences are big enough to be epic in tone. But they don’t suffer from the “we have the computing power to put more ships on screen that anyone in history- let’s do it!” curse. They fill space with enough big bads to present Wash with a frenetic, challenging seat of your pants obstacle course, but not so much that it’s just a cluttered mess.

As with Terminator 3, the best chase scene of the film takes place in the beginning. One on one, it is quite possibly superior to the grand space opera moments of the end. Yes, definitely so. In fact, it really has a feel that seems fresh and new- and that’s hard to do these days. When I watched the Reaver craft chasing Zoe’s landspeeder thingamajig as they raced back to Serenity, I thought, this is how it should be. When video games start to feel like this, people will stop going to the movies.

There are some intriguing choices here that I can say most definitely don’t play to our standard expectations and I think some of them succeed more than others. I don’t know how many of them are intentional. At one point, there’s a hero shot of Mal that is fantastic, cliché be damned. It is then quickly followed by a hero shot of River. I can’t recall seeing two such shots put together like this before. The River shot is just absolutely gorgeous and represents absolute genre fun. Arguably way over the top, it’s like all the video game super-heroines distilled into a box cover. No, it’s more like the cover of, wait for it, A COMIC BOOK. You’ll know the shot I’m talking about when you see it. Complain if you will, but I LOVE IT. Leave it out of the trailers. But after Sept. 30, release computer desktop backgrounds of it please.

More intriguing - it has become standard fare in visual media to try to hit the audience with the big reveal in a big heavy smash. Make the hair on the back of your neck rise in a single sudden OMG moment. And we all know Joss can do this as well as anyone. When the big reveal is made in Serenity, it comes rather gradually, not with a single line - “Glory’s not a demon, she’s a god”, “Wesley, why can’t I stay?” etc. - but with a shift in mood and tone and hue and pace and then a rather measured bit of exposition. We don’t feel like everything has changed. Then a plan is hatched in an almost thoughtful manner. It isn’t William Wallace rallying the troops, it’s a fatigued and beaten down scrapper finding the resolve to throw a punch of his own. And then events are set in motion. But instead of being that moment on the roller coaster when you’re at the very top about to tip over into the long drop, it plays as almost the only still point in the film. It’s a quiet series of scenes. This totally violates all the expectations years of film and TV have woven into my bones. And I don’t know if I like it. I think that the more I think about it, the more I’ll love it, but I’m just not there yet. And it may not seem as extreme to others as it does to me.

More disappointments: We didn’t get a physical show down between Jubal and River. AND WE DON”T GET ONE BETWEEN THE OPERATIVE AND RIVER EITHER. I’m pretty sure that doesn’t count as a spoiler.

The Reavers are at their best when they are a distant menace on the horizon. When they are unseen and coming at you in a big bullet nosed space craft. When they are zombie hordes? Not so much. I’ve been on that ride before. I’ ve played the video game. Reavers kinda do kick zombies’ asses but as they appear in the claustrophobia of the climax, they are less threatening than the scene in Cameron’s Aliens when the marines first encounter the aliens (watching the blip blip of the motion detector).

Reavers + River is a sight to behold however. A perfect example of paying something off with plausible implausibility.

Alexandra is wrong about Mr. Universe. At least in this cut. Mr. Universe is what you get if you cross Howard Hughes with the Hello Kitty vibrator. Seriously. It works.

Where’s my horses? Except for octagonal gun barrels, there is a conspicuous absence of the western influence. It doesn’t feel like we’re in a different Verse per se, but it feels like the camera is definitely being operated by someone new, whose eye is drawn to a completely different part of the landscape. There were more central planet super sophisticated high tech windmills than livestock in the movie. Sadness. DIGITAL COWS NOW. I miss the beauty shot matte paintings with the bustling marketplace crowds. The ones with a vague Mobius vibe.

The camera can be a little too self conscious at times. Trying too hard in some shots, in a manner that never seemed to be the case when the schedule was for TV

OK AND NOW I FINALLY GET AROUND TO ADDRESSING THE BIG CONTROVERSIAL PART WHILST TRYING TO REMAIN SPOILER FREE

Joss is a self professed dark dude, god love him. And he does dark things. And some people are going to feel betrayed that he does a dark thing then doesn’t give you a chance to breathe AT ALL AFTER. First, separate your shocked self from your objective self and understand that this is a deliberate choice. He’s not overlooking your emotional needs, he’s violating them. Harshly. To devastating effect. The girls on either side of me at the screening literally couldn’t take their hands from their throats for long minutes after the MOMENT. I realized I was holding my breath and couldn’t stop. The MOMENT is not gratuitous. He earned it. This is Joss “I’m going to rip your still beating heart out of your chest, but you’re going to thank me for it later and come back for more” Whedon. To come to this conclusion I had to come out the other side of feeling exactly the opposite emotions. You have to be a grown-up to frolic like a kid in the Whedonverse. And grown-ups suffer. Then they make something worthy from it. Thanks Joss.

The greatest call back in the history of television is the end of Newhart, with Susanne Pleshette in the bed. The second greatest is Illyria recounting a universe filled only with shrimp. I would dearly like to see Jayne make a reference to his eponymous ballad or, when discussing Reavers, utter the phrase “Grrr, Arrrgh”. I know the joke has been done elsewhere, but that was seasons ago, and Adam Baldwin would totally own it. Shoot the scene, send me the bill.

Is the mystery a big enough payoff? Well, this will depend upon whom you ask. I think Joss chose an appropriate scale. It’s big enough to warrant the Feds sending goons after River. There are going to be some who argue the big bad idea could have been bigger and badder. And the ultimate conclusion should have been more devastating for the bad guys. But that would have been inconsistent with the nature of Firefly. If they had turned around and made River “the One”, the ultimate savior of mankind and civilization, it would have handed all the wonderful drama of Mal’s choices over to the hand of fate. It would have cast this rag tag group in the role of superheroes far bigger than the lives they dream of leading. It would have been all wrong. It isn’t a spoiler to say that in the end the Alliance doesn’t crumble. It hiccups. And anything more would have been too much. And of course anyone who watched Angel knows Joss doesn’t defeat evil for all time. Even with a full fledged champion.

BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENT? This story just didn’t have room for the very heart and soul of Firefly’s greatness. That doesn’t mean this was the wrong story to tell, but it means that you are acutely aware of certain absences. In fact, these absences are quite possibly essential to making this particular story work. And the best way to encompass the nature of all of those absences is to describe the missing scene that would most epitomize them:

The entire crew sitting around the dining table laughing and just being safe in each other’s company. Finding respite between all the dangers that lurk around them. BEING AT HOME ON SERENITY. There is never a moment of safety in this film. Not one. I need one. Just one. Badly.

CHARACTER ROUND UP:

River: This movie is about paying off her mystery. In spades. She really gets to shine more here than ever before. Even more than Objects. Is Summer up to the task? Well, her character goes somewhere new and her dialogue benefits. Her action sequences are remarkable and Ms. Glau’s Coppelia in Space are some of the most enjoyable moments in the film. The expressions she lets River wear in the middle of an action sequence are priceless. It’s in the trailer so this isn’t a spoiler- get the QT and go frame by frame to the point where she is smearing herself into the ceiling. Such a cool pose, but where do you focus your attention? HER EYES. She has this incredible ability to draw impossible audience empathy from what I can only describe as a glower. That word has a negative connotation, but she makes it transcendent. Not only is her dialogue the best it’s been, she gets to deliver crazy babble soliloquies that are probably better than Spike’s. But she really steals the show when she doesn’t say a word. Her nonverbal moments just soar. There are two turns where she gets to throw off these charming melting looks that so deserve the big big screen. “Am I talking to Miranda now?” Please.

Simon: remains Simon. But like everyone else, the intervening time has hardened him. He’s got more of a spine. Regrettably, his interaction with Kaylee isn’t given the 3 episode arc it deserves. And it should probably get a good 4 minutes more throughout the film than it does. Some of the choices here may have to do with not wanting to confuse the newbies, but let them wonder.

Wash & Zoe: Tudyk is one of the most consistent actors around. He never disappoints. You just want to see him spend more time poking and prodding Jayne then running behind Zoe for cover. And he deserves one of those magnificently sexy domestic scenes of the caliber of “Slightly less attractive now that she’s all corpsified”.

No one has grown on me as much as Torres since um, er, Cleo 2525 ;-) She has this way of delivering a line with a manner and intonation that bookends the spoken dialogue with very solid unspoken words. With pursed lips and limpid eyes, you just hear more than is actually there. And she can pull this off with deadly precision. Throughout the series, Joss could turn to Torres and Fillion for instant backstory by capping a discussion between the two with a look from Zoe - maybe 34 frames and an equally brief befuddled look from Mal, followed by Mal changing his mind. And you felt it in your bones. Equally stirring was the look that preceded nuzzling between Torres and Tudyk, which Tudyk always chose to play goofy. And that was the soul of that marriage. I’ve seen Torres modulate that expression so that in Zoe it is pure love and in Jasmine it’s smothering menace. (Anna Espinosa has never worn that expression.) Joss, please find some 70 frames of the above and give us a handful more of indelible moments.

Mal: see above.

Kaylee: More please. Kaylee is at her best when she’s having her bubble burst. Her indomitable spirit would play flat if it weren’t for her ability to get truly stung, always out of the blue-“you should really have a talk with your girl” (Shindig), or any time she’s fishing for a word of kindness from the good doctor. Jewel’s ability to turn a character on an emotional dime draws you in with such force. This is true even when she’s the villain (see Wonderfalls). Regrettably, the charming turns that are afforded by an episode like Shindig are largely sacrificed to the requirements of the plot this time around. More’s the pity. The closest we get is when Kaylee puts up a strong front with the Doctor near the film’s beginning.

Jayne: Baldwin simply delivers Jayne with too much relish to resist. When a character can crash through the Verse so heedlessly, you can’t help but just sit back and enjoy. It’s like he swallowed Ocean’s Eleven. Jayne rival’s Chloe of 24 in the lacking a brain to mouth filter dept. Just good fun. The great thing about the series was it’s ability to take a character and leverage one of his extremes against another. Jayne’s mutiny plays best when it follows his blunt honesty and dense inability to see the world from anyone else’s perspective. The film gives Jayne all the best comic relief and the delivery is so spectacular that it would be truly painful to leave any of it on the cutting room floor. There is one moment in the final standoff where Jayne gets off a fantastic line “I might” (you’ll understand) that gets it’s laugh and then some. But because of the choice to go relentless all the way, to not give the character’s any respite, it doesn’t really provide any true relief and kind of breaks against the grain of that choice. I’d consider sacrificing it to the DVD. Though I personally probably wouldn’t have the heart myself. No, it should go. And we should mourn it’s absence. But it doesn’t work in the grand scheme of things. Ahhh, must go!

In a group argument, Joss tries to play the flip of extremes as Jayne stands up to Mal by bringing up the war. I like the intention, but it ends up playing like something we’ve seen twice, no thrice before-Jayne is cowed, this time by Zoe and backs down. I appreciate the intent, but it doesn’t work. Cause we’ve been through it when Jayne jokes about Kaylee and Simon and gynecology in the pilot. And when Mal asks “is that where you want to take this conversation?” in Objects, and somewhere else I just can’t recall. You can make this work multiple times in the series as a running gag but in the film I think it only reads fresh to the newbies. And it also only reinforces Mal’s distance from anything resembling a likeable hero. Jayne is soo likable and if Jayne dislikes Mal, the uninitiated are going to hate Mal. This may be the problem with Adam Baldwin. If you put him in a scene, it is going to be too entertaining to cut, even when it needs to go.

Shepard: I will never be able to watch Objects the same way again. Richard Brooks’ delivery of the line “He’s no Shepard” is so pregnant with possibility. Certainly, the moment Fox cancelled the series, Book’s backstory become a permanent and impeneratable mystery. You couldn’t center a movie around it. You couldn’t tack it onto another plot without making it seem labored. Book deserved a central story arc of his own somewhere around episodes 19-21. With more to come in the second season. Ron Glass definitely does the most with the least in this film. His dialogue is brilliant but brief and he basically serves a kind of Yoda role (empire/Jedi Yoda). He is the film’s shining grace note. And the last scene in which he appears is pitch perfect and while going in a completely different direction (wonderful choices) is for my money on a par with Blade Runner.

Inara: Morena Baccarin is rife with grace notes of her own. Her vocal choices have always buried so much subtext just beneath the surface of companion calm. Close your eyes and listen and you understand the phrase “still waters run deep”. I was certain going in that no matter what transpired I was going to feel that there was too little Inara. I always felt that way with the series. Ms. Baccarin’s presence at this screening was certainly a measure of consolation. But because of the story Joss has chosen to tell (and it really is the best one to tell given the circumstances), it feels as though we’ve arrived too late to enjoy the payoff that was built up in the series between Inara and Mal. Simply put, you have to accept Heart of Gold as all the emotional climax to which you will actually get to bear witness. Everything else happens off stage. And the movie just doesn’t have the time to spare to give this storyline it’s due. Probably as inevitable as it is regrettable. Ms. Baccarin is such a visual force on screen but here she is too often consigned to the background. Ok, I hate to admit it, but if she’s in the frame, that’s where I’m going to direct my attention. So either shoot with enough depth of field to get the background in focus or put her in the foreground. Or leave her out of the shot entirely. NO! Don’t do that. Do the foreground thing. Seriously though, there is so much smoldering beneath her companion’s control, it is a shame not give it the attention we find in Shindig or Our Mrs. Reynolds. The tension between her disparate worlds and Mal’s (mis)interpretation of where she chose to stand within them was for me one of the show’s most humane elements. With the exception of her return to the ship, this is really more the Inara of Ariel.

Serenity: Mal violates Serenity, commits sacrilege. It is jarring and really visually disturbing. And magnificent. You’ll understand when you see the film. Red paint.

The Operative: I loved Jubal. Didn’t really want to see the new kid in town. But he’s magnificently unlike anything we’ve seen before. Wonderfully layered. And of course, Joss writes bad guys who can sit down and have meaningful conversations with good guys. Not merely posturing, but debates about their place in the Verse. An easily overlooked aspect of the Whedon genius. He totally delivers here. In a way that lets you empathize in some fashion with every character in this film (except the sexbot).

CONCLUSION (whew, at last!) I looked back before I left for the show and counted up the seasons. 7 + 5 + ½ + ½ (Wonderfalls) For the first time I realize that Joss, et. al. occupy a greater presence in my personal pop cultural milieu than anyone else BY FAR. That took me by surprise but then I thought about whom I might prefer occupying that spot and found I could think of no one. Does that make me a terrible freak? I don’t care.

Yes, this is a long involved post, but I realized as I enjoyed the company of strangers with a shared affinity at last night’s screening that there is something wonderful to being a browncoat. Star Wars fanatics and Trekkers have long found themselves acting as apologists. I feel no need whatsoever to apologize for anything.

As far as the experience of the screening- 400 miles round trip, $50 and the rest of the night writing this and I don’t feel the least bit obsessed. When I went to see Matrix: Reloaded, I scoffed at the dozens of fanboys in their black trenchcoats. I kept asking them “are you the one? Or is he the one? Him? How about her over there?”. I feel guilty and betrayed by Star Trek - as though I need to be selective about what part of that world I allow into my own. These days Star Wars is best enjoyed deconstructed (though Lucas holds a special place in my heart for what he did to my childhood and for the perfect moment that is the last shot in Graffiti - another conversation entirely). But what I feel toward Joss is quite simply absolute trust. Point me at a cliff and I’ll jump off. Should I be worried? I wasn’t wearing a brown coat to the show. I wasn’t one of the guys handing out blue gloves or wanted posters. But I didn’t look askance at the ones who were. They didn’t strike me as freaks, just overly caffeinated.

I haven’t allowed myself to become this excited about a movie since Star Trek V betrayed me utterly and robbed me of all my childhood innocence. In those days, a ST film was an event. I warily allowed myself a measure of that excitement for Phantom Menace and was punished. I could be delighted and surprised by movies that I approached with low expectations, but I was loathe to make an emotional investment site unseen. Save it for concerts. Lord of the Rings got me halfway back - given the pre release environment, I was able to exactly match expectation to payoff. Finally, I have been able to build up to a movie with utter abandon, watch it with bated breath, and walk out physically affected and buzzing with excitement.

IN A PERFECT VERSE This film will succeed. But Joss has written and directed the film without apparent regard for it’s commercial success. He’s written this movie for us. He’s done some bold things that might insure its demise. But he seems to have told what he believes is the best story for his characters and I believe. I am a leaf in the wind.

What is going to happen with respect to the non-fans? Well, we better go out and convert them now with the box set because no amount of panicked studio editing, er butchering, is going to make Mal cuddly and lovable in this film. Joss wrote him impenetrable to that threat. I am fearful for Serenity’ s prospects but this movie is destined to be one of the crown jewels in my film collection.

Can we the fans buy a block on Sci Fi and air the series in the weeks leading up to wide release? How much would that cost?

How much for a digital horse or cow?

Better yet, can we the fans fund some re-shoots? I don’t think there is anywhere in the plot you can shove the scene of solace around the dining table I and so many others crave. But you could shoot it as a flash back and run it in the background with the end credits. Shoot it to look like one of Kaylee’s cammed recordings, like the one Mal watches in the film in which we first glimpse Inara. Basically, play a Serenity home movie in the wake of the film that we just saw. In fact, the contrast might accentuate the tragic elements of the story.

My final thought: Joss, please tell us that you were wise enough to write and shoot tons of stuff that would work in series television which you knew would never make the theatrical release. The extended editions of the Lord of the Rings are remarkable and the do a fantastic job of fleshing out minor characters, elaborating on back stories and revealing auxiliary storylines. But in the end, they are merely extensions. They tell the same fundamental story. If Joss shot the right footage, a directors cut of this film could tell an entirely different story. Not just longer, but fundamentally richer and more complex. A truly unique experience that would not be very accessible to the uninitiated but pay off so much of the Verse to the true browncoats. More than just more Mandarin and cattle. Much much more.

It’s been more than 12 hours since the screening and fatigue is finally bringing this post to it’s knees. I am emotionally devastated by this film and unequivocally supportive of the experience that is Serenity. I am and continue to be

the Tredeger BR>




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SERENITY: Will it be the biggest grossing movie of all time?
by Daddy Tones
May 27th, 2005
10:12:27 PM
JOSS WHEDON IS THE NEW JESUS
by Daddy Tones
May 27th, 2005
10:16:28 PM
Careful, that kind of rampant hyperbole is what gives us brownco
by Anlashok
May 27th, 2005
10:28:33 PM
Yawn times two
by Shawn F.
May 27th, 2005
10:37:03 PM
Has Harry seen it yet?
by IMMORTAL-1
May 27th, 2005
10:37:08 PM
This movie will be great.
by Screwdriver
May 27th, 2005
10:38:43 PM
"Mr Whedon has gone to great links to give you your $8.00 (or ho
by DAS JANKE
May 27th, 2005
10:38:51 PM
FirstMan#01
by DAS JANKE
May 27th, 2005
10:43:51 PM
Hey, sounds good!
by Ribbons
May 27th, 2005
10:47:14 PM
Double yawn
by Alfred_Packer
May 27th, 2005
10:48:39 PM
saw it in Philly
by Doc Brown
May 27th, 2005
10:49:28 PM
Y'know, I can't decide...
by Ribbons
May 27th, 2005
10:51:15 PM
Sounds in Space
by Ribbons
May 27th, 2005
10:54:18 PM
STILL not sure why this movie is OMFG BEST EVAR!!1111
by d8cam
May 27th, 2005
11:05:29 PM
d8cam
by Ribbons
May 27th, 2005
11:10:20 PM
Exclusive! Hercules reviews Joss Whedon's cock! *Spoilers!*
by adambalm
May 27th, 2005
11:14:09 PM
IF BROWNCOATS AREN'T THE CRAZIEST BUNCHA FREAKBOATS...
by King Psyz
May 27th, 2005
11:15:29 PM
Okay, last one...
by Ribbons
May 27th, 2005
11:19:56 PM
This movie will bomb
by Dannychico
May 27th, 2005
11:21:26 PM
Ribbons
by adambalm
May 27th, 2005
11:24:53 PM
Rats, I really wanted to see the raw cut, before they start maki
by FrankDrebin
May 27th, 2005
11:26:22 PM
Let me put my Studio suit on for a second...
by IMMORTAL-1
May 27th, 2005
11:31:08 PM
Don't believe the hype
by Razorback
May 27th, 2005
11:37:02 PM
I hope it turns out that the Reavers are under the control of so
by FrankDrebin
May 27th, 2005
11:46:42 PM
I liked it better when it was called BATTLEFIELD EART!!!!
by Rant Breath
May 27th, 2005
11:56:32 PM
The Film Only Cost $40 mill To Make.
by The Outlander
May 28th, 2005
12:06:57 AM
"Biggest Grossing Movie Of All Time"
by DarthCorleone
May 28th, 2005
12:14:38 AM
Star Wars versus Firefly
by Theta
May 28th, 2005
12:24:11 AM
Oh my god, this movie COULD make money!
by Outrider304
May 28th, 2005
12:29:33 AM
These are clearly 14 Plants, and part of a wide conspiracy maste
by Thorfin
May 28th, 2005
12:38:22 AM
Saw it. It rocks.
by Logo Lou
May 28th, 2005
12:54:40 AM
Agent Orange
by Shan
May 28th, 2005
01:32:22 AM
Plant? I think not!
by Paul_in_CT
May 28th, 2005
01:55:14 AM
SPOILERS..DON'T READ...
by Paul_in_CT
May 28th, 2005
01:59:07 AM
Firefly rules - The Whedon Strikes Again
by moviemaniac-7
May 28th, 2005
02:06:23 AM
M.E. Russell is a great cartoonist-reporter
by DOGSOUP
May 28th, 2005
02:10:46 AM
Just watched the series...
by tstone
May 28th, 2005
03:52:38 AM
Saw it...
by Prior Walter
May 28th, 2005
04:37:32 AM
To all those who say there is no interest in this movie except f
by Mr. Dogfart
May 28th, 2005
06:18:00 AM
The fact that it doesn't have a huge guaranteed fanbase is i
by ChorleyFM
May 28th, 2005
06:24:35 AM
In case you couldn't view the mojo link, here's what it
by Mr. Dogfart
May 28th, 2005
06:28:39 AM
Okay, Mr. Dogfart.
by dr_dreadlocks
May 28th, 2005
06:48:15 AM
Okay, Mr. Dogfart (Revised after checking the, far more clear, l
by dr_dreadlocks
May 28th, 2005
06:51:27 AM
plants?
by SoldierSquirrel
May 28th, 2005
07:43:23 AM
My definition of a plant, however useless it may be:
by dr_dreadlocks
May 28th, 2005
07:55:09 AM
Why no Buffy/Angel movie?
by liljuniorbrown
May 28th, 2005
07:58:46 AM
PLANTS! ALL OF THEM! THEY MUST BE!
by The Temp
May 28th, 2005
08:08:55 AM
I saw Serenity on Thursday night in Kansas City.
by Barry Egan
May 28th, 2005
08:11:21 AM
Sorry...
by The Temp
May 28th, 2005
08:12:07 AM
I liked the movie, but I also think acroyear77 ia right about Se
by Barry Egan
May 28th, 2005
08:14:35 AM
I've seen this movie twice, both times in Chicago, where Sum
by ProzacMorris
May 28th, 2005
08:15:48 AM
I do kind of agree with Shawn F., sort of, that they need to mak
by ProzacMorris
May 28th, 2005
08:31:46 AM
Who gives a flying fuck about Serenshitty? Revenge of the Sith
by Atticus Finch
May 28th, 2005
08:36:42 AM
"Universally hailed"? Uh huh.
by The Temp
May 28th, 2005
08:41:21 AM
All reviewers complaining about the effects and music...
by Jack Gladney
May 28th, 2005
08:43:31 AM
Temp, how many times have you seen ROTS by now?
by Atticus Finch
May 28th, 2005
08:50:38 AM
FUCKIN ASSHOLE!!!!
by thedoctor28
May 28th, 2005
08:55:57 AM
Just saw the trailer...
by Fixxxer
May 28th, 2005
09:14:55 AM
Atticus
by The Temp
May 28th, 2005
09:18:22 AM
thedoctor28
by Jack Gladney
May 28th, 2005
10:02:01 AM
liljuniorbrown
by Ribbons
May 28th, 2005
10:30:46 AM
....Prior Walter
by Ribbons
May 28th, 2005
10:33:12 AM
I saw it on the 26th also
by Eshu
May 28th, 2005
10:34:23 AM
Eshu
by Ribbons
May 28th, 2005
10:45:51 AM
This is funny
by Ribbons
May 28th, 2005
10:49:49 AM
Why the sides-taking?
by Barry Egan
May 28th, 2005
11:11:51 AM
Just curious...
by Ribbons
May 28th, 2005
11:27:32 AM
Ooops...
by The Temp
May 28th, 2005
11:37:05 AM
Sorry
by Prior Walter
May 28th, 2005
12:06:53 PM
to dr_dreadlocks
by Thorfin
May 28th, 2005
12:13:10 PM
BUFFYVERSE Fan Here...
by ZombieSolutions
May 28th, 2005
12:58:23 PM
"How exactly does overcompensating with plants hurt the film in
by adambalm
May 28th, 2005
01:17:38 PM
ZombieSolutions
by Ribbons
May 28th, 2005
01:21:48 PM
To Thorfin
by dr_dreadlocks
May 28th, 2005
01:49:01 PM
I guess I havent watched enough "Buffy"...
by Alatar_Blue
May 28th, 2005
02:05:54 PM
Aw, come off it adambalm...
by Pontsing Barset
May 28th, 2005
02:13:03 PM
Harry misses another big obituary
by HarrisonsDad
May 28th, 2005
02:19:06 PM
Just one problem with your thesis there dr dread...
by Alatar_Blue
May 28th, 2005
02:24:39 PM
This movie will come and go in one weekend.
by fiester
May 28th, 2005
02:37:57 PM
Whedon fandom: Fat people who love watching Skinny people talk c
by pcpandfistfite
May 28th, 2005
02:39:12 PM
Sign the Darth Vader in 'ROTS' Petition
by RIVERO
May 28th, 2005
02:59:42 PM
unreal
by SoldierSquirrel
May 28th, 2005
03:19:08 PM
Alatar_Blue
by dr_dreadlocks
May 28th, 2005
03:26:23 PM
Not sure what movie PriorWalters has or hasn't seen . . .
by ProzacMorris
May 28th, 2005
03:28:10 PM
My sentence doesn't make any sense but you KNOW what I mean
by ProzacMorris
May 28th, 2005
03:30:22 PM
saw "Serenity" in Boston this past Thursday... Outstanding.. rea
by waynesworld
May 28th, 2005
03:49:56 PM
Not convinced Dr D.
by Alatar_Blue
May 28th, 2005
03:53:36 PM
GoMavs
by Ribbons
May 28th, 2005
04:09:41 PM
Browncoats
by Ribbons
May 28th, 2005
04:12:57 PM
RIVERO
by Ribbons
May 28th, 2005
04:14:46 PM
Hey Ribbons, have you seen "Serenity" yet?
by ProzacMorris
May 28th, 2005
04:16:43 PM
Thanks Everybody!!
by thedoctor28
May 28th, 2005
04:31:55 PM
ProzacMorris
by Ribbons
May 28th, 2005
04:34:32 PM
Ribbons
by thedoctor28
May 28th, 2005
04:41:31 PM
Unreal yourself!
by fiester
May 28th, 2005
05:05:52 PM
fiester
by Ribbons
May 28th, 2005
05:12:43 PM
Rib head
by fiester
May 28th, 2005
05:15:28 PM
Oh yeah, I'm the one on the defensive from douchebags like G
by Ribbons
May 28th, 2005
05:28:16 PM
"On the defensive?"
by fiester
May 28th, 2005
05:30:56 PM
"And an advocate of Star Wars has no business decrying a film fo
by adambalm
May 28th, 2005
05:33:19 PM
What happened to the Fantastic Four talkback?
by mrfan
May 28th, 2005
05:35:18 PM
Umm...
by Ribbons
May 28th, 2005
05:35:34 PM
I'm too old for this sh*t
by Harold The Great
May 28th, 2005
05:35:40 PM
autoMatisse
by Ribbons
May 28th, 2005
05:44:01 PM
A final caveat
by Ribbons
May 28th, 2005
05:46:31 PM
Oops.
by Ribbons
May 28th, 2005
05:49:14 PM
too old? naaaa.
by orphea
May 28th, 2005
06:04:47 PM
Not plants, just True Believers.
by AnnoyYou
May 28th, 2005
06:16:26 PM
Battlestar Galactica is much better than Firefly
by PaddyO'Neill
May 28th, 2005
06:16:53 PM
My 2 cents...
by uberman
May 28th, 2005
06:18:30 PM
Looks like a great Sci-Fi movie of the week. Wait....they'r
by Swarmy
May 28th, 2005
06:20:50 PM
Battlestar Galacitca
by Harold The Great
May 28th, 2005
06:37:40 PM
"just check out the Amazon comments on the totally derivative Bu
by adambalm
May 28th, 2005
06:40:23 PM
edit
by Harold The Great
May 28th, 2005
06:44:54 PM
good old 1980's
by dr.bulber
May 28th, 2005
07:10:00 PM
Serenity fans (Ribbons, etc.): Give it up
by The Temp
May 28th, 2005
07:13:36 PM
I don't have anything against Whedon, but I do think this mo
by FluffyUnbound
May 28th, 2005
07:18:46 PM
Powermetal1, shut up you worthless idiot.
by PaddyO'Neill
May 28th, 2005
07:31:22 PM
Serenity is the equivalent of any Sci Fi Channel Original Movie
by Ed Wood
May 28th, 2005
07:35:41 PM
What happened to you goons?
by Jack Gladney
May 28th, 2005
07:47:51 PM
Powermetal1, You kiss your mother with that mouth?
by PaddyO'Neill
May 28th, 2005
07:53:59 PM
Ah, brilliant...
by PaddyO'Neill
May 28th, 2005
08:07:45 PM
Who really cares ...
by TrustTyler
May 28th, 2005
09:31:15 PM
Wow, Powermetal, you're a regular Dale Carnegie.
by FluffyUnbound
May 28th, 2005
09:48:38 PM
I don't know know how people can bow at Whedon's feet
by zikade zarathos
May 29th, 2005
02:38:49 AM
This Sounds Like Whedon's "Hamlet"
by Mark Twain
May 29th, 2005
03:02:13 AM
the tempest was great!
by orphea
May 29th, 2005
03:49:48 AM
Please don't tell me you're invoking Shakespeare to desc
by zikade zarathos
May 29th, 2005
04:12:28 AM
You liked The Tempest?
by Mark Twain
May 29th, 2005
04:28:43 AM
resy easy
by Eshu
May 29th, 2005
08:43:12 AM
The Tempest
by Ribbons
May 29th, 2005
09:54:30 AM
Um...
by Eshu
May 29th, 2005
11:18:55 AM
Eshu
by Ribbons
May 29th, 2005
11:19:56 AM
MAL and INARA
by Eshu
May 29th, 2005
11:24:03 AM
Eshu
by Ribbons
May 29th, 2005
11:25:29 AM
Ribbons
by Eshu
May 29th, 2005
11:26:40 AM
Orphea Compared it to The Tempest
by Mark Twain
May 29th, 2005
11:42:34 AM
Mark Twain
by Ribbons
May 29th, 2005
12:40:42 PM
Eshu
by Ribbons
May 29th, 2005
12:41:38 PM
Something I think that needs to be understood MINOR SPOILERS a b
by ProzacMorris
May 29th, 2005
01:06:13 PM
The Shakespeare Comparison
by Mark Twain
May 29th, 2005
01:23:26 PM
Compareing Whedon to Shakespeare???!!!
by Alatar_Blue
May 29th, 2005
02:18:50 PM
tempest comparison
by orphea
May 29th, 2005
02:29:19 PM

by orphea
May 29th, 2005
02:32:42 PM
Alatar
by Ribbons
May 29th, 2005
03:38:26 PM
Orphea
by Mark Twain
May 29th, 2005
05:51:07 PM
This Just In: Shakespeare Ripped Off The Lion King
by Mark Twain
May 29th, 2005
05:53:37 PM
mark twain -- why do i like it so much?
by orphea
May 29th, 2005
06:41:15 PM
About The Tempest.
by FluffyUnbound
May 29th, 2005
06:43:09 PM
Not Shakespeare's Fault
by Mark Twain
May 29th, 2005
08:57:23 PM
The thing is...
by Ribbons
May 29th, 2005
09:55:08 PM
You know...
by Ribbons
May 29th, 2005
10:04:17 PM
I wouldn't put Whedon above using the Tempest metaphor...
by adambalm
May 29th, 2005
10:31:58 PM

by orphea
May 29th, 2005
10:45:01 PM
Oh.
by Ribbons
May 29th, 2005
10:47:36 PM
Don't bother hiding the spoilers
by Bart of Darkness
May 29th, 2005
10:53:20 PM
This won't do well. Here's why:
by Darth TJ Mackey
May 29th, 2005
10:54:59 PM
Darth TJ
by Ribbons
May 29th, 2005
10:56:53 PM
THE TEMPEST is considered one of Willy's weaker plays (and o
by FrankDrebin
May 29th, 2005
11:01:46 PM
Speaking of Lucas, INDIANA JONES 4 is supposedly ready to go
by FrankDrebin
May 29th, 2005
11:10:53 PM
Powermetal
by Ribbons
May 29th, 2005
11:12:03 PM
Frank
by Ribbons
May 29th, 2005
11:14:42 PM
Powermetal
by Ribbons
May 29th, 2005
11:19:40 PM
Now I Have to Read The Tempest and See Forbidden Planet Back to
by Mark Twain
May 30th, 2005
01:23:29 AM
Confused.. Shakespeare and wit?
by Trienco
May 30th, 2005
01:53:16 AM
Mark Twain: A list of FORBIDDEN PLANET references in other movi
by FrankDrebin
May 30th, 2005
02:15:47 AM
I actually saw the campy stageplay.
by FluffyUnbound
May 30th, 2005
07:02:33 AM
our little movie
by Harold The Great
May 30th, 2005
08:56:42 AM
Amen, Brutha!
by Eshu
May 30th, 2005
09:07:50 AM
Police Squad was cancelled because nobody watched it.
by Logo Lou
May 30th, 2005
11:41:26 AM
TNT868
by Harold The Great
May 30th, 2005
01:05:21 PM
FIREFLY didn't succeed because Fox didn't promote it. F
by FrankDrebin
May 30th, 2005
01:17:31 PM
There's no interest in FIREFLY? Look at the length of this
by FrankDrebin
May 30th, 2005
01:23:07 PM
Whatevs. AICN alone cannot make a movie successful
by Darth TJ Mackey
May 30th, 2005
01:39:28 PM
Galatt and Shakespeare
by Mark Twain
May 30th, 2005
02:47:41 PM
Hey, Tredeger. Two words: "TRY DECAF."
by LlGHTST0RMER
May 30th, 2005
03:37:47 PM
Mark Twain
by Harold The Great
May 30th, 2005
04:01:19 PM
english
by Harold The Great
May 30th, 2005
04:02:00 PM
I will allow you to insult Firefly. I will allow you to berate B
by Daddy Tones
May 30th, 2005
05:29:52 PM
Nobody has yet to put up a convincing arguement for why Shakespe
by Daddy Tones
May 30th, 2005
05:31:54 PM
Actually, playwriting and TV writing are VERY SIMILAR. Shakespea
by Daddy Tones
May 30th, 2005
05:34:09 PM
Never saw the show, but saw the movie on thursday and...
by PurityOfEssence
May 30th, 2005
07:03:37 PM
Daddy Tones
by Ribbons
May 30th, 2005
07:54:34 PM
Galatt
by Mark Twain
May 30th, 2005
08:41:06 PM
The Shakespeare/Weldon thing...
by Eshu
May 30th, 2005
10:48:32 PM
Eshu
by Ribbons
May 30th, 2005
11:00:08 PM
It's cool
by Eshu
May 30th, 2005
11:17:34 PM
Hey man, don't get me wrong...
by Ribbons
May 31st, 2005
12:02:07 AM
My Whedon/Shakespeare Rant Part II
by Mark Twain
May 31st, 2005
12:47:16 AM
Slow down there
by Trienco
May 31st, 2005
12:52:53 AM
story interpretations and making connections
by orphea
May 31st, 2005
01:45:42 AM
:(
by Harold The Great
May 31st, 2005
03:01:54 AM
Galatt, Twain, and Orphea
by Eshu
May 31st, 2005
09:12:34 AM
eshu, well Shakespeare said the pen is mightier than the sword..
by orphea
May 31st, 2005
02:48:42 PM
The Star Wars/Serenity thing... (Now that Shakespeare has left t
by Eshu
May 31st, 2005
04:12:28 PM
Ringbearer9
by Eshu
May 31st, 2005
10:28:48 PM
Oh and
by Eshu
May 31st, 2005
10:31:45 PM
dialogue
by orphea
May 31st, 2005
10:35:10 PM
And Don't Forget The Cantina
by Mark Twain
May 31st, 2005
10:46:03 PM
Gee, for a crappy TV show
by Purple Fury
May 31st, 2005
11:31:39 PM
Orphea, Twain, Fury
by Eshu
May 31st, 2005
11:44:36 PM
Purple Fury
by Ribbons
Jun 1st, 2005
01:04:49 AM
"Gorram"
by Ribbons
Jun 1st, 2005
01:07:06 AM
Whedon's Appeal
by Mark Twain
Jun 1st, 2005
01:37:40 AM
Oh no!
by Eshu
Jun 1st, 2005
11:09:08 PM
I feel your pain
by Mark Twain
Jun 2nd, 2005
01:17:42 AM
Me too.
by Eshu
Jun 2nd, 2005
01:29:27 AM

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