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ALIAS: SeasonFour Finale!!
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This post exists mostly to keep fans of “Alias” from clogging up the all-important “Lost” talkback.
“Alias” began with Sydney Bristow’s boss, Arvin Sloane, ordering the execution of Sydney Bristow’s fiancé - because Sloane discovered said fiancé had learned of Syd’s secret superspy identity. During the balance of that first season we all watched, terrified that someone else close to Syd would discover Syd’s secret identity. And that Sloane would kill that someone else. It was amazing.
Midway through season two, Syd destroyed Sloane’s evil faux-CIA construct, SD-6. It was thrilling, one of the best hours of television ever broadcast.
And then the series lost its way. The tension drained away. Syd somehow, at some point, for some reason, stopped dedicating her life to the escaped Sloane’s destruction. Instead, Syd agreed at the beginning of this season to work under Sloane. Who killed her fiancé. What the fuck.
They can bring back Rambaldi’s toys. They can bring back Syd’s mom. They can bring back Anna Espinoza, McKenas Cole and faux Francie. They can even throw in a good episode, like the recent one with Michelle Forbes as the barefoot scientist tormented by Joel Grey. But I will never regard season four as anything but a betrayal of investment.
Were I King of “Alias”? “Season Four: Arvin Sloane Must Die!” Syd, Jack and Dixon – all seething with vengeance - would have brutalized, tortured and enslaved new and former enemies in their season-long quest to kill an increasingly genocidal, depraved and Syd-obsessed Sloane - before Sloane could use the technology of the coming centuries to transform himself into something unassailably powerful.
Of course, some may believe that’s not as much fun as giving Syd a long-lost sister with an evil nanny. And that, my friend, is why Al Gore invented talkbacks.
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But yeah, Sloane Must Die probably would've been a lot better than the dreck that was this season. Having one baddie they chase for the whole season worked for 24, they should've learned their lesson here. Ah well, there's always next year...
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May 25, 2005 10:09:14 PM CDT
Haven't seen this one yet but Lena Olin is all kinds of sweet.
by anlashok
oh yeah.
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My wife can't stand Alias anymore, so I am forced to TIVO it until Law & Order: CI is over. Dammit!
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No thanks.
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Seriously. I've been fed up since halfway through the first season. Not that I've watched since then. People keep bugging me about it, though. I'm sick of it. Another case of a show that should've been a miniseries ala Kingdom Hospital.
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Hot girl + techno music + boring plotlines that signify nothing + running=Alias.
In case you were wondering, that's also the formula for shit.
Btw, I'm sitting here watching this gay-ass zombie movie ripoff episode right now because nothing else is on, and I swear, I have rarely seen such a crappy show with such good production values. Seriously, if you mute the sound and only watch like 30 minutes, you'd think it was an awesome show. Maybe next season they'll all turn into mimes. -
Since day one syd's been motivated to bringing sloane down. and for the first 2 years that was an absolutely thrilling plot. But they should have had him die at the hands of jack or syd at the end of season 2 in all honesty. Stringing out his descent back to the dark side for an entire season isn't suspensefull because we ALL KNOW ITS GOING TO HAPPEN.
if the premise for Season 4 wasn't rediculous enough (you expect these guys to work for sloane after the first 3 seasons?) it has had about as many filler episodes as an average season of smallville and thats just not good enough for a show that used to have a flowing consistant story week to week.
having SAID that. Last weeks ep kicked all kinds of ass, and if they can finish this season right, then they JUST might have a chance with next season.. -
now all we need to know is why Milo designed it.. is Milo evil?
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Fuck you lost, that's how you end a season! Well done Alias!
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everything was all nice and complete....no huge cliffhangers or anything....then they had to do that....
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All of these characters are boring and their mysteries are lame. Oh, and I liked the sudden car accident. When I saw it in The Forgotten. And Unleashed. And a couple of places in the LAST YEAR. Sadly it was the best part of a really lame episode. I almost laughed when I saw the red horse. And Syd had a warm moment at the end with Sloane. Yes, Sloane, the evil archvillian terrorist/mass murderer that killed her poor fiance. Yeah, this show is consistent. Sure....
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How can you nail one show and fuck up the one before it so resoundingly?
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"My name is not Michael Vaughn." Cue the car. WHAMMMMM!! Son-of-a-bitch.
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That's how you end a season! Here's a lesson for Lost, you see, you must wrap up all the season's loose ends, then in the final minutes you hook em with one mystery that'll be a big part of the next season. If Lost had wrapped up the hatch plot and left us with the Walt mystery then I would've been satisfied. Alias might not have the greatness that it once had, but the last couple of episodes had I'm more eager to see what Alias does next season that Lost.
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That ending made me scream out loud! Funny thing is, I thought that's what Lost's ending would make me do. Guess JJ pulled the old switcheroo on us. Both shows were great, but Alias was better!
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May 25, 2005 11:12:38 PM CDT
That is how you leave an audience hanging. Awesome fucking final
by mr. profit
You think Vaughn is involved with Daniel Hecht's murder? What an ending. That sort of jolt is what the otherwise great episode of Lost needed at the end.
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May 25, 2005 11:14:21 PM CDT
yeah... better than that anti-climactic Lost bullsh*t.
by burlivesleftnut
The last two minutes made the entire season worthwhile. And I am not talking about Vaughns reveal either. I am talking about Syd's hair. Didn't it look fabulous?
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May 25, 2005 11:16:41 PM CDT
And did it ever occur to anyone that the reason Sloane is still
by mr. profit
In the 2nd to last episode Jack told Irina that she was going to enjoy getting to know Nadia and that Nadia was "Exceptional" then Irina responded, I wonder where she got that from and looked at Jack as if she was his daughter. Makes you think. Alias got a bum wrap this season. It did have some trouble spots, but the last episodes were really good. The turning point was the buried alive ep where Marshall was the star. Lost was great then the ending was OK. At least a hand or something creepy in the hatch would have added an extra shock.
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The whole Rambaldi thing is just too baroque. Even the characters commenting on the ridiculousness of the situation in the previous episode, while a nice touch at self-aware irony, can't save the direction the plot's going in. I definitely agree Sloane should be the Big Bad, or should at least be killed off to make room for another one. Buffy had no one single Big Bad running throughout its entire series run (IIRC); so it certainly is possible to carry a show with multiple Big Bads. Lost is doing smashingly well with one Big Bad -- or rather, with one big dramatic problem: getting off the island. Alias is allowing its Big Bads to become protagonists, and that's not a good idea, obviously. The show doesn't have to have Sloane be the series' one arch villian, but since Sloane was the epitome of evil from the first episode, it doesn't make sense to neutralize that by putting him on the side of good. In a show that depends on layers of truths and lies, letting a bad guy become a good guy only muddies the waters. Unless one is Shakespeare, an absolute villian is required (see JULIUS CAESAR, which has no absolute villian, or hero for that matter) for real dramatic effect. *** The cliffhanger at the end was good, though.
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Now if they could only explain to me Jack Bristow's sudden mutant I-have-radiation-poisoning-now-I-don't bit... But damn.. I knew sticking with this show would be worth it.. What, they've done riffs on La Femme Nikita, Desperate Housewives, and now the second Resident Evil movie. Nice they finally upped the stakes and pulled alot of plotlines together with the promise of Lena Olin back for sweeps eps.
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I was all into it. Good job JJ. You got me. I am officially waiting for September.
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If Jennifer Garner is as preggers as rumored isn't it going to be difficult to do next season? Hoping Alias Season 5 doesn't end up like the last season of X-Files, with Syd disappearing and Vaughn out looking for her.
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I thought the finale was pretty tame, given that they laid out this prophecy in the 1st couple eps... We all knew it was gonna happen in the finale from day one. HOWEVER, those last few lines "It was not mistake I was your handler" and "Well, for starters my name isn't Michael Vaughn".... HOLY MUTHA FUCKING SHIT! BLEW MY MIND! I actually yelped like a little bitch when that car crash happened... I'm FINALLY ready for another season of 'Alias'... shame on me for doubting... PS: The Elena headshot kicked fucking ass!
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Invasion looks better though. Let's start a lame-o conspiracy theory about that show like Lost fanatics do... Why is the S tilted to the right in the logo? Hmmmmmmm.....
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i knew something would happen at the end, there's no way they would end a season on a happy note. i figured the car might somehow lose control and we're left wondering if they're ok. i was half right and while the other car wasnt a big surprise, the quickness and out of the blueness of the hit was. so if vaughn isnt his real name, does that mean the father irena killed isnt really related to him? and to answer that person about jack...he got infected a few episodes back by going into that radition filled room to turn off the machine and his cure came from that old dr friend played by micheal mckean.
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about jen's pregnancy, it wasnt an official statement but i heard that they'd write around it and it wouldnt be part of the storyline. i hope to god that's true because having syd pregnant would be a bad idea. her whole fucking family is connected to all this, we dont need a baby as well. lol
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That Alias cliffhanger was awesome. I agree with everyone else who loved it. It totally owned Lost's ass!
I actually thought this season was just as good as (if not better than!) my favourite season, season 2. I actually loved the stand-alone episodes, which led to the huge Rambaldi stuff coming together at the end. Perfect.
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May 25, 2005 11:42:41 PM CDT
Now there are 2 big questions to ponder over the summer....
by mr. profit
And sorry Lost....But the ending to that show was underwhelming. But now we have #1- Who the fuck is Michael Vaughn? and #2- Who is at Veronica's front door?
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I enjoyed the hell out of Alias season one and two. It's some of my favorite television. Then everyone on here started complaining about season three, and I realized their points, but I still enjoyed the show. By season four, absolutely everyone was pissed off, but I still watched it and I knew it wasn't as good as it was, but I accepted it. Tonight was fucking ridiculous. The show has completely changed. What the fuck was with all the zombies and stuff that should NEVER be happening on Alias. It's a spy show with LIGHT sci-fi influence and tonight it was the opposite. In season one's finale, having the red ball be re-addressed was cool, but having an even bigger one tonight was just stupid and don't get me even started on Nadia being possessed with red eyes. It was also so fucking ridiculous and it hurts me to see a show become so stupid and basically be a cheap version of Resident Evil: Apocalypse. HOWEVER, all things considered, the final moments were amazing, and it truly was a good way to end the season. Let's just hope that next season we have an ongoing arc as opposed to this year. J.J. stated he didn't like season three and he'd make improvements, well he better makes tons over the summer, because this finale was the ultimate low-point of Alias and it just showed so much stupidity and things that shouldn't be happening. That's my rant (which I've never done, but this episode made me). Thanks for listening.
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Is Alias returning in September, or will it be held until January like this season was? .......
Two Holy shit moments for me tonight: when Arntz exploded on Lost, I actually jumped and said "Holy shit". Then when the car hit Sydnet and Faux-Vaughn, I did the same thing again. Funny thing was, I was expecting the car crash while they were being all happy, then when Vaughn started talking about the secret, I thought we'd get something different - then Whammo! -
Okay, first season was a lot of fun. Cute young woman fighting baddies week after week in different guises (hense, the name "ALIAS"). Second season ended the SD-6 story for 2 reasons: 1) The show needed ratings, so JJ thought that a new start would help, and 2) IMO, the SD-6 story was on the verge of getting boring. But I think the ENTIRE last half of this season was THE BEST this show has ever been. Okay, season 3: THIS was the worst season, although still better than most shows. We got way too far from the original premise and the show lost some steam. But it was still a fun season. Season 4: Realizing they went a little too far from the inteded idea, and with one last chance to grab an audience, they "re-boot". And it was successful!! While the casual "Alias" fan ran because of A.D.D., the rest stayed to see what happened. And you know what? This season DID capture a little of that season 1 magic. The shows were fun, and every epsiode wasn't weighed down with the whole Rimbaldi scenerio. Yet they touched on it just enough, and had an explosive last 3 hours, that my Rimbaldi fix is satisfied. I believe that the coming year will probably see the end of this truly fun show. It's a show that shouldn't be taken too seriously, and those that do take it that seriously TOTALLY miss the point in my opinion. Can't wait to see who Vaughn REALLY is!!
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May 25, 2005 11:58:25 PM CDT
It had infected people, and that was hinted at with the Sloane c
by mr. profit
They were not zombies. And also, Alias never was really grounded in reality. Rambaldi, doubling technology, their ability to fly to anywhere in a couple of hours, Sydney being the baddest motherfucker on the planet whupping anyone's ass. Come on guys, accept the show for what it is. Entertainment. It's not supposed to be pretty real anymore. It's a whiz bang spy show with sci fi elements. And it's still a better show than most on TV. Take it easy. I'll take many stand alone eps like season 4 than the nausiating Felicityesque scenes in Seasons 1 and 2. The Rambaldi prophecy had to be realized and the apocalypse had to happen in order to finally move on and close the chapter on the storyline that derailed the series.
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Hey everyone!
Pleas can you explain to me what hapend in the finale...well the most important!
i'm from switzerland and whe're still in season 3.but i know whats going on in season 4.
please explain i'm counting on you for every detail!!!
thank you!
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weak season, great last scene....
does JJ have the ability to create great shows and not sustain them?? alias has become a procedural drama where the backstories are too far back and it's just a matter of checking out how they solve their current problem.....the cast carried the show, this season, not the writers...
but, that said, it's still a fun hour each week...it just used to be more...it used to be worth discussing the next day...
as far as lost goes, the plot was lost until the drama on the raft happened....what has happened on that show in the last half of the season?...ok, boone died, but other than that, hardly anything......and to think, that show killed 60 minutes wednesday....what's that say about us??
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Anyone else think it could have been Sark driving the other car? He's been mysteriously absent since breaking out earlier this season....could he have fallen in with whatever other agency Vaughn worked for? There's zero chance that collision happening /when/ it did was coincidence. (Trying to figure out how the big reveal ties into the episode where spy-Fiancee believed his dad was alive...if his dad wasn't Bill(?) Vaughn.) Oh, and I wanna be Jack Bristow when I grow up!
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Sorry, but I thought this season sucked for many reasons. First, they have totally ruined the character Sloane. In year one and two, Sloane was one of the best bad guys on TV. Now he is just a neutered version of the original. Did anyone really buy him siding with Elana at the end of the season? I so hoped he would truly turn evil because he is useless now.
Second, is everyone in the spy world part of Sloane/Derevkov/Bristow family. Was there really any reason to make Elana a Derevkov other than to make an excuse to bring Irina back at that point?
Third, there is no more of the trust no one mentality of the show. I know it couldn't last forever, but part of what made this show so good in the beginning was that Sidney didn't know who she could trust and you suspected virtually everyone of everything. They try every once and a while to throw that "is Jack really evil?" vibe out there, but after everything that he has done for Sydney it rings hollow.
Fourth, the Sydney putting on another skimpy outfit and colored wig and heads off undercover to yet another European club is so old and forced in virtually every episode now that it easier to TIVO Alias and fast forward through that scene because it ends virtually the same every week. At this point, he has shot up every club in Europe.
I have pretty much given up on this show. The ending tonight gives me some hope thatnext year's season will go back to the nothing seems what it is and who does Sydney really trust part of the show that made it really good to begin with. Let's hope they don't wuss out like they did with Sydney supposably finding out that Jack enrolled her in Project Christmas only to change it to a weak explaination that Sydney really found out that Jack "killed" Irina. -
Tonight's Alias was far better than that shitstorm known as Lost. God, what a piece of suck that finale was. Alias kicked Lost's ASS tonight...i'll take zombies and car crashes and "i'm not michael vaughn" over that stupid crappy "cliffhanger" that lost had...
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Did anyone catch the NCIS finale?
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I loved the last scene in the car. But I also loved the last scene of Enterprise 3.X (with the alien Nazi) - and I was rewarded for my long summer wait with the first two episodes of Enterprise 4.x, perhaps the shittiest two hours of Star Trek ever broadcast.
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Anyone else think that the opening sucks. I still think it sucks... was much cooler with the moving letters. I wonder what they'll do now that Garner is carrying the seed of Affleck.
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you should do a search for Alias on the web. Find a fansite where they give good episode desciptions.... long story short, Sydney and the gang get pulled into a black ops unit that is run by... Sloane. New bad guys appear and they show goes back to it's roots as they try to trace down some artifacts by Milo Rambaldi.
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So what if it was a bit of a tease? Who the fuck put zombies in my "Alias?" No thank you.
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Could Vaughn possibly be Milo Rimbaldi? If you remember, even this season, it was proposed that whatever Rimbaldi's other inventions were, immortality seemed to be one of the ultimate goals. PLUS, in Season One, Syd met a clockmaker who claimed to have know Rimbaldi and he knew the exact moment when he would die (and he did). If Rimbaldi had let this guy use his technology, why wouldn't he use it himself?
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This 28 Days ripoff finale was a weak weak WEAK conclusion to the potential of Rambaldi. When Lena Olin said those original rooftop words about Syd being the only one who could save the world, about Syd being the image depicted in the Rambaldi manuscript, face it: we all expected a truly huge payoff...and this was sooo NOT it. What: it had to be Sydney up there on the roof being told which wire to cut??! *Only Sydney* could have done that? WTF?! Mommy Derevko had more to do with the saving of the world than Syd did, and whole apocalypse at the hand of Nanny Oops Really Derevko and not Truly Evil I've Been Fooling You Sloane = weakness royale with cheese. What was up with this whole season's reinvention of the prophecy and introduction of Syd's BS sister and the "only one will live" garbage (which is apparently and unfortunately not true -- more stupid worthless sister next year I guess), all so we could turn the truly cool villain into a repenting good guy? That whole "The Rambaldi device said 'Peace'" is supposed to be real??! Sloane as a good guy = not interesting at all. The writers jumped a whole two dozen sharks lined up in a row these past two seasons. Vaughn and Syd have none of the original chemistry they had when the actors were actually banging...now when they have a scene together Michael Vartan is probably thinking over and over: "I cannot believe this chick dumped me for that Affleck dork!" You can practically see it on his face. ("I love you too, Sydney." = "I cannot believe this chick dumped me for that Affleck dork!") I only hope this downward spiral isn't indicative of all of JJ's creations, because in that case losing a few Lost writers will lead that show right into the sheethole where Alias has gone. Summary: Season 1 and 2 of Alias were excellent. Season 1 of Lost, equally stellar. These are bad, bad omens indeed.
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Ok, the car crash was very cool and made me jump, and yeah, I'm curious about Vaughn now... but I literally thought he was just fucking with Syd until the car crash ended the season. For all we know, that's the way they'll start next season. "Ah, Syd... I was just fucking with you... sorry to freak you out." And it also seems stupid that they've turned over the last 4 years of Vaughn's character. Whenever this kind of thing happens on a show, it becomes extremely difficult for the writers to square the "revelation" with the history of the character. For instance, Nina being the second mole on the first season of 24 just BARELY worked (I was actually not too happy with the choice, but accepted it nonetheless, as we had only had 1 season's history with the character).
Also, yeah... I did not like the holy Zombie thing... People should've just been more violent, like the bees... Why did they have to be mindless zombies? I also thought it was horrendously stupid that they could simply record the sound that the device was making and broadcast it to infect everyone. That kind of makes the device a collossal waste of space, and who's to say that that sound cannot just be replayed by anyone now at any time if some kind of copy of it was made somewhere. The Rambaldi device at least made it seem like it had kind of that "magical" Rambaldi quality to it.
I dunno, I'll keep watching because I'm interested in the Vaughn resolution, and because the show is still somewhat entertaining, but I think I'd prefer that they engineer one final, kick-ass season and just end the series... Can it ever return to its former glory? -
What if Michael Vaughn is really Danny...Syd's "dead" fiancee? What if his death was faked and Syd fell in love with "Michael" all over again.....hmmm??? You heard it hear first people!!
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I loved the last moments of Alias this season. But I think the general ending plot of the series would've been better like this. Once Jack was exposed to radiation core and began to die, it should've been hopeless. He should've been dying a slow long death, and his radiation poisoning (which so should've killed him) shouldn't have been brushed off. Remember in the earlier seasons, it was said that Rimbaldi held the key to immortality? There was that flower that was 500 years old etc? Well, it should've so happened that they had no other choice other then to resort to Rimbaldi to cure Jack. Of the course of this, Sloane gets crazy obsessed with the Rimbaldi. Jack, swayed by the power of his own life being saved by Rimbaldi's teachings, goes over to the dark side with Sloane as well. In addition to that, Nadia, who is really Daddy's little girl (and always wants to believe him) gets talked into by her Dad. Afterall, she just witnessed all the good that can be achieved through Rimbaldi. So there you would have a new interesting DARK SIDE formed with all sorts of interesting built in dynamics and possibilities. That is the best idea I've ever heard for SEASON 5! :)
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Alias is a piece of shit. Lost is a million times better.
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are the Alias fanboys pissed that Lost is getting all the love, and rightfully fucking so. Lost deserves it, stop being so damn hateful.
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May 26, 2005 3:41:41 AM CDT
I dont watch Alias, but the crap I saw looked like Resident Evil
by alwaysthere
WTF kind of crap was that?
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ADD my ass. No, jackass, it was because of the decline in quality suspense, recycled plots, and too much focus on Sydney's annoying sister.
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Seem like a pretty anti-climatic ending to the Rambaldi Saga. Absolutely NONE of the prophecies came true, a lot of the Rambaldi artifacts just seem to be marginalized.
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This show has lost it's way. What the hell happened? The finale tonight reached a level of absurdity that I'm not sure it can ever recover from and this is coming from someone who actually bought into the "Francie Clone" idea. Nadia is even more annoying than Lauren and Jack's become a pussy cat. The only characters that are worth a damn are Marshall and Weiss and they deserve their own spin-off. A horrible end to a horrible season.
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As many people here have mentioned, I really wasn't very floored by the Lost finale. I'd also like to remind the folks slamming on Alias in favor of Lost, J.J. Abrams created both shows. So as much as you hate Alias at this point, expect Lost to go the same way in a season or two. On the Alias finale, the last part was ok, but overall it was convoluted and ridiculous. Does anyone really think this ties up the Rimbaldi subplots? What's to stop someone from stealing the artifacts and trying it again, they made it seem easy enough to do all season long. Suddenly this season you needed the coil to make the red ball device work, yet the Chinese had a working model in the first season, and a big one in the second season(I think, trying to remember when that happened)? Now Michael Vaughn isn't who he's been claiming to be? What about all the drama he went through when he found out Syd's mom killed his alleged dad? I'm quite certain it wasn't just a show for others, I know he was shown in private moments agonizing over his supposed hate for Irina. I can try to explain away his search for his "father" this season because he'd want to eliminate the only person who can dispute his identity, but I think his actions in past seasons make this out-of-left-field revelation completely inconceivable, in a bad way. To close, I was thinking the other day of how the show was when it first came on, and it suddenly hit me. The name of the show, Alias, was due to the double life Sydney led, to her friends and also between SD-6 and the CIA. For the past 2 seasons now, this name really hasn't applied to this show. It's like if everyone was rescued from the island on Lost, but they kept making the show despite the fact that nobody was "lost". Alias just really makes no sense anymore.
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I thought the whole rambaldi endgame got a bit silly and pointless, the 4 year wait to see what the hell his plans were led to bitter dissapointment for me.
However, im glad that they have wrapped most of the rambaldi poo poo up. They underutilized poor lena tonight, but oh well, here's hoping she will come back occasionally next season.
The ending was interesting. I have my theories that Sydney will wake up next season with doctors telling them the baby is ok. Vaughn dies, and as it turns out he is either a)rambaldi b)descendant of rambaldi or c)follower of rambaldi, so now syd is having a rambaldi baby. -
A debate in season one was that the Chosen One was either Sydney's mother or Sydney herself. Then Sydney visited that mountain and disqualifed herself as the One. So when Irina shot her sister, was that the prophecy being fulfilled? The one sister killing the other? And if Vaughn isn't really Vaughn, why did he spend all that time looking for Vaughn Sr.? The Vaughn Alias does explain how a white collar CIA operative turned into a SuperSpy in such a short time. That transformation always sort of bothered me. How could Nadia NOT distrust her father Sloan after such bizarre behavior during that Tomb Raiding in China? A pregnant Sydney can work if the show goes back to Julia Thorne years before Sydney's eggs were removed. My suspicion has always been that Sydney/Julia got pregnant and gave birth during those years...
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will be difficult to work into the plot, and will certainly hinder the action. I'm six weeks along right now, and I sure as fuck don't feel like running from no spys, cartels, terrorists, etc. They could hide her pregnancy, I suppose. Remember X-Files, with scully and the overcoat? Oh, man. That takes me back.
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Sigh. Fucking hormones.
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May 26, 2005 8:48:41 AM CDT
Sydney vs. Giant Hurt Ball was a bit cheesy, granted, but ALIAS
by spyguy
I admit, I started to cringe a bit as soon as the words "Well, for starters, my name's not Michael Vaughn," but then BAM! -- the season ends on a super high note. And how great was Jack's "I'm trying to have more fun these days" line before injecting Elena? Absolutely priceless.
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in the first and a half seasons, it was called Alias because of Sydney going undercover for SD-6. Then in the last half of season 2, Alison Doren was using "Francie" as a Alias to spy on Sydney. Then in season 3, Sydney had to find out about her 2 years and her alias "Julia Thorne". Then in season 4, half of the season was all about Sydney taking aliases to defeat terrorists and hello, its been like that all through the series. Alias was not her being a double agent for CIA against sd-6, sir. The aliases were all the disguises Sydney wore. Which is pretty funny since thats why people bash the show all the time. For her aliases.
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Now we have a new alias introduced in the season cliffhanger. Michael Vaughn isn't his real name..Vaughn was a alias.
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Yes, some elements of the whole Rombaldi thing were a bit absurd, but I still liked this season a lot. I was just happy there were no long breaks between episodes.
"For starters, my name's not Michael Vaughn" are words that'll haunt me all summer! Syd and Vaughn's relationship has always been something I've liked about the show, and even though it got frustrating at times, I still thought they made a great pair. After four years and to hear Vaughn, at least, begin to confess what I can only assume will be a major revelation to Sydney, it's definitely got me floor.
"And how great was Jack's "I'm trying to have more fun these days" line before injecting Elena? Absolutely priceless."
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May 26, 2005 9:35:45 AM CDT
I have been a fan of the show since day one. Season four was mu
by doobieflixx
Everyone bitched about season 3 but I thought it was great! This season almost lost me with the episodic treatments we were seeing. I understand why they did it, but I was starting to get annoyed. They returned to the formula that works in a nick of time, but a bit too late in the season. The last quarter leading to the finale was good old classic ALlAS. I think Vaugn being KGB is a bit far fetched. Jack did give his aproval of him marrying Sydney. Jack would know the history. I'm intrigued though. After all it is a show. I like LOST too and look how far fetched that show is. "What brought us here?"..."The Island" Um....yeah...But I get it...it's a frickin' show and you are supposed to role with the world the charachters inhabit. And for all you losers who feel that LOST is better than ALIAS or 24 and STAR WARS is better than LORD OF THE RINGS or vice versa. Get a life. You can enjoy mor than one show or movie without having to rate it on scale. Just be entertained people. Escape your daily lives and enjoy some entertainment that is being provided to you. In a land of Reality TV we should be thankfull that shows like these are being made. That is all.
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I don't think this marks the end of Rimbaldi with stopping Elena. Also, you guys forget that this show has always been open to the possbilities that the prophecies of Rimbaldi could all be BS. The Rimbaldi elements have always featured "Believers", or the bad guys, against "Non-believers", the good guys. As to Vaughn and his father, just because he isn't Michael Vaughn doesn't mean Irina didn't kill his dad; as a matter of fact he said she did in this last episode. So, it will be fun to see where they take it next year.
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WHAM!!!! Very freaking cool.
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I couldn't haqve said it better myself...aside from some spelling errors...LOL.
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Just another example of a great show that starts with fire and enthusiasm and then quickly runs out of gas. I thought season one was great television. Everything after that, eh. I think JJ Abrams, like Joss whedon, is a sufferer of ADD. They make cool things and then get bored and hand them off to lesser beings to maintain. Sad really.
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I thought the whole sister thing was superfluous, but I can see the producers trying to keep things afloat if Jennifer Garner decides TV's no longer for her.
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May 26, 2005 10:21:39 AM CDT
See, his real name is Vaughn Michael! Also, why was Ear Ring Bo
by drath
Because they NEVER call him Michael, just Vaughn. Seriously, who calls the person they love by their last name? ************ Ahem, I'm very curious to know what the HELL those last few seconds were all about, but I also think they'd better be careful. I mean they've referenced Vaughn's father and his family so much that if all that turns out to be fake, it'll feel very contrived. What's more, I wouldn't blame Syd if she killed him if it turns out he's been a traitor all along. How many times did he grill her and her dad about being loyal to their country? Geez, I'd shoot him dead after all that. And also, didn't Irinia say he looked like his father a while ago? I remember because it spawned the "she's his mom" rumors. So if that's they case, is that evidence that she knew who he was...because if his father wasn't his father then that makes no sense. Oh hell, whatever, it was a cool way to end the season. I just wish I had faith that I will like the pay off--because that's usually where this show lets me down. And dear god, Zombies? FUCKING ZOMBIES? And we STILL don't know what the FUCK that Giant Red Ball is all about! SHIT!!!! ********************* Also, why did they run into the Ear Ring boy? The "don't put another hole in me--YAAAARGH!" part was funny, but why was he even there? Why did they seem to make a big deal out of his reaction to Irina? I thought he was going to turn out to be working for Elena or that he'd come back as a Zombie, but the other shoe never dropped. Strange.
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The last 10 seconds of that episode made up for an otherwise mediocre season (the worst of the 4). The best episodes were sporadic and they never really got a lot of momentum going. My favorite moments:
- Arvin Clone (so creepy and funny)
- American community in Russia (weird and awesome...could have gone for 3 episodes)
- The return of Irina (please, for the love of all things holy, bring Lena Olin back next season)
- The death of Vaughn-HOPEFULLY (has there ever been a more useless character? Bring back Will!)
This season was weak, but I imagine that when I purchase it on DVD and watch it back-to-back, it will be better than I remember. That's what happened to me with Season 3. -
May 26, 2005 11:04:33 AM CDT
As soon as that last scene started I was reminded of On Her Maje
by big jim
Spies can never be happy and in love without something bad happening. It's the law.
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well, first of all, season 4 sucked cuz jennifer garner messed up and got pregnant with that idiot.
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the crash was awesome, but the whole "Vaughn has secrets and it's not even really his name" thing seems so contrived. i really thought that this would be a chance for them to tie up some old things and start on some new ones. instead, they're going into the past to make up more stuff that wasn't there before. Vaughn isn't "Vaughn?" come on! and it totally sounded like he was reading it off a script when he said "first of all, my name isn't really Michael Vaughn." lame.
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sorry I've been on the net but I can't find any story regarding the last season...please can you tell me what happens in the end...please i would realy respekt it if you would tell me what happend in the finale!
thank you
please so i can see you're reply ,use the subject name camilla47 so i know what to read:-)
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to ABC's Alias episode guide for last night's epiode:
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The CIA agent that Syd and family run into in the beginning of the episode was Syd's partner in the first episode of the season before she joined APO. He was really whiney in that episode so it was really nice to see his character developed in this last episode. Unfortunately they killed him off.
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maybe he's ex-SD6? but then there was never really any sort of recognition between him and sloan i guess throughout the seasons. remember irina was the one who egged vauhn on to tell sydney the truth, so she obviously knows who he is. vaughn being rambaldi or related to him does seem a bit ridiculous to me, i don't think his
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Season 4 had its weak moments, but also some good ones. I liked the development of Nadia's character/back-story, and agree with the earlier posting that she is likely to have a bigger role in the future (and she is way hotter than Sydney, anyway). Sloane as a good guy is tiresome--especially after the 10,000th time that everyone suspects he is finally showing his evil stripes again, only to learn he was just pretending to be evil yet again. Puh-leeze. The finale was extraordinarily lame: they knew that they had to get into the city, to the building, in the planning stages--but they dropped in too far away? We had to watch 20+ minutes of them trying to get trains to run? Saving the world has never been so dull. I hope that with the final scene (crash stolen from Forgotten, btw) they will get back to the tension and "anything could happen, no one can be trusted" tension that made the early seasons so intriquing....
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and that's what Irina meant by his "activities". Apparently he is not, and never was, who we thought he was. Doesn't anyone else think he would have mentioned this before? I hope they know what they are doing and not just being cryptic for the sake of a cliffhanger. If it is the latter then the explanation will be lame and not hold up to scrutiny by anyone watching season 1 again.
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Yes I recognized him, and I'll bet most people who saw the season premiere did too, but I would not say that they developed his character any. All he did was show up and die, and it really seemed pointless. Then again, "pointless" might describe a lot of stuff that happens on JJ Abrams's shows.
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After watching this show for a while you HAD to know - if they are driving in a car in the last minute of the season finale there HAD to be a car crash-Predictable! "For starters my name's not Michael Vaungh.." lame stupid shit. This is as stupid as the years of amnesia shit the writers thought up so they wouldn't have to fix the shit they wound up so bad that they couldn't get out of!
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They were NOT ZOMBIES! It was just people infected with the virus. They were still alive. Yes it looked like Resident Evil / 28 Days Later, but the infected Russians in Alias were still alive.
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I wonder why so many people think Sloane killing Danny in season one makes him evil. Sloane can be considered evil for other reasons, but if you're a member of the CIA, as Syd thought she was, and you reveal what you do to your boyfriend, you're an idiot. Sloane said it best: "Syd, I didn't kill Danny. You did." Bingo. Syd hated him for it, but she knew deep down he was right. Hence the moral ambiguity of the Syd-Sloane relationship.
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Okay, just because Alias has "lost" (worst pun ever) its magic, does NOT mean that Lost is only guaranteed 2 good seasons. They're completely different shows. The well on either one of them could vary extremely. Point is EVERY show has only so long before something goes south. Example - The X-Files. Also, the fact that sooo many people are here on this Alias talkback shows that despite the quality dropping, many still watch and are ready to defend the show. I found myself not fully involved in over half of this seasons episodes and I actually liked some others. The majority felt like filler. The cliffhanger ending was real cool, but c'mon it does NOT make up for the rest of the so-so season. ROTS may be great but it doesn't make up for the other two. You deserve better, start demanding it. That is all
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Good point about Sloane Mafu. "Syd, I didn't kill Danny. You did."
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Great cliffhanger or not (and it was great), can ALIAS really recover from the mess it made of itself before the last twenty seconds of season 4? The show has been dead for a season and a half. After 2 1/2 seasons of absolute brilliance (the last truly mindblowing episode fell exactly half way through season 3 - FULL DISCLOSURE s:3 e:11), the show dropped the ball on most of the Rambaldi strings and began repeating plot elements regularly. FULL DISCLOSURE marks the return of Kendell, explains Sydney's missing time (those of you who didn't appreciate the season 2 cliffhanger are in dire need of taste), and literally connects the major elements of the Rambaldi mythology from season one to season three (including the startling revelation connecting the Covenant's end game and Syd as the "Chosen One," a biblical revelation that was necessary due to the preceding years' narrative material). And then, Lauren betrays Vaughn as a double agent (the way Irina betrayed Jack). Her relatives get involved (at one point last season, the "CIA" conference table is surrounded by Syd, her father, the love of her life who's now married to the double agent, his wife the double agent, and that double agent's father - the senator). During the second half of season 3, ALIAS became a work place soap opera, ultimately leading to season 4's predominantly stand-alone format. Rambaldi wasn't even an issue this season. Season 4 got off to a horrible start when the writers literally FORGOT how they ended season 3. They must have realized that the document Syd found in the season 3 "cliffhanger" was just a rehash of the season 2 Project Christmas episode (one of the best in the show's history) so they decided to IGNORE what Syd (and we) saw written on the document itself. Why worry about repeating the Project Christmas concept when you can repeat the Irina is dead one? Why not avoid any unique ideas all together? So, the season 3 document notes that Sydney was just one of Jack's projects? Saw it first in season 2. In season 4, Irina was thought dead but is really alive? First saw it in season 1. A giant red Rambaldi ball must be stopped? Saw it in season 1. As a young spy in Argentina, Nadia was working for the people she thought she was fighting against? Syd did the same thing in season 1. Dixon has an affair that makes no narrative sense whatsoever? Saw it in season 3 (Sloane and the therapist). Sloane and Nadia turned their Rambaldi discovery in to the CIA and Sloane is pardoned? Saw it last season. The list goes on and on and on. What's truly sad is that the writers have lost sense of what made the show truly great: Syd's double life (hiding her true identity from people she loved), her strained relationship with her father, and the serialized narrative revolving around Milo Rambaldi. Since Season 3 episode 11, the show has been lost. That written, I loved this season's ending (one of the only moments I truly enjoyed this entire season), but it's very difficult to have faith since the show has fallen so far. J.J. has clearly left his baby to die a slow, painful, boring, repetetive death. I can only hope he returns to give her CPR.
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Alias isn't as important to him right now. Lost is new in his creative process and therefore probably more fun to him right now. That, or maybe JJ is thinking of using all of his "good" spy ideas for Mission: Impossible 3? Same thing happened to Buffy when Joss created Firefly (a blessing in disguise by thr way.)
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long work day
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It's the sound of Alias jumping the shark. Vaughn isn't really Vaughn? So does that mean Irena killed someone else's father twenty years ago? JJ blatantly rips off 28 Days Later?! It might be time for me to bow out of this one.
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All of you guys who are complaining about the show have lost sight of something that i like to call "the big picture". Every moment of the first two seasons of Alias was brilliant. Syd grieving for Danny while coming to terms with her feelings about Vaughn and will, her slowly re-building her relationship with her father and her search to finally know her mother. Season 3 had Sydney losing every aspect of her personal life as a result of her job. While not as good as the first 2, season 3 serves as a reminder of the cost of dedication to a higher cause. All this time they pepper us with bits and pieces of an ancient mystery. Which brings is to Season 4. In the beginning i was upset about the format change and lack of rambaldi and the stand alone episodes were not always good but...oh wait, what was my point again...oh right, there was still a lot of good in there because we cared about these characters. It has always been their hatred and mistrust of Sloane that kept Syd, Dixon, and the rest working for him because he made a deal with the CIA and if he was going to be there anyway they wanted to be there to keep an eye on him. Bit by bit the ongoing mystery returned. The rambaldi artifacts showed the way to a final plan of world domination through mind control. Yes, the zombies were weird but at least we now know what the big red ball does. In a final and complete rap-up of the ongoing rambaldi mystery, the ultimate twist ending was that Sloane did not go back to being evil. Now we have a new mystery, perhaps a bigger and more important mystery that will cause us to question (and perhaps re-watch) everything that has come before. Who is Michael Vaughn? What has he been hiding? Stay tuned.
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I get the feeling that people don't get the dynamics of a television show. First, to those who say the last two seasons of Alias were bad... Just because they were different does not mean they were bad. Yes, the first two seasons were very very good, but you cannot continue the double life story indefinately. JJ knew this and thus he changed the dynamic of the show. Too much suspense turns a good story into an anticlimactic one. My advice: embrace change and stop arm-chair quarterbacking; sit back and enjoy the ride, wherever it might take you. By the way, Alias had the best cliffhanger of all the shows on TV this season. (And there were qite a few.)
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While initially cool, the whole Vaughn revelation actually makes absolutely no sense. If he's not actually Michael Vaughn, a good third or half of the past Alias seasons are pretty much invalidated.
I think JJ needs to stop trying to shock people with big twists and revelations and actually work a little at creating compelling stories that are internally sound.
As it is, it just seems as if he has absolutely no idea where he's going with the show and given Lost's lackluster finale, I'm starting to suspect he has no idea what to do with it, either. -
3dfiend, I have no problem with the past two seasons because the format changed. My problem was that the stories stopped being compelling. There was very little emotional resonance left (especially after getting rid of Sydney's friends) and therefore very little reason to actually care about the characters.
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Hey man, the only reason I said "Lost" was better than "Alias" last night was because someone on the TalkBack had already said something like ""Alias" is actually good, not like that crap "Lost."" I do realize that JJ helped mastermind both shows, and I'm not saying "ha ha ha ha, nyah nyah boo boo" to anyone who likes "Alias." If anything, I *am* afraid that the quality of "Lost" will follow the same general curve as the one of "Alias," as Hollywood continues to reap JJ's soul and harvest his organs. I know that some people here resent Herc for his constant Whedon love, but one of the things that I admired about "Firefly" was that Whedon wrote 3 episodes out of 13 for its first season, including the last show. Abrams wrote one episode of "Lost" and went off to make 'Mission: Impossible 3' and, perhaps, salvage what's left of that Greg Grunberg vehicle that was in the works. Moreover, what was revealed on "Lost" last night seems to hint at things that are, in fact, not as supernatural as the mysteries behind them would have you believe; rather, just convoluted. Although their is an element of the mystic, however tiny, which again applies to "Alias." For the first time, I got the strong feeling that the staff writers were winging most of the material and the explanations for mysteries set up early on were victimized by a breakneck schedule pace and poor imagination. As for "Alias?" It's cool that you cats like it and all, but as a "naysayer" (interesting euphamism for "person who thinks the show sucks"), I can tell you personally that I have not stopped watching the show because of A.D.D. or because I fear change, but because "Alias" has not changed for the better. In Seasons 1 or 2, you'd probably never hear lines like "Sydney, on your wedding day, you won't see me, but I'll see you. Okay bye." And the hurried set-up of Syd's sister as a rage-infected non-zombie? It was a mediocre episode, especially for a season finale, and if it truly was the conclusion to the Prophecy, that makes its outcome even worse. Or, how's this? Why the fuck is she working for Sloane? That should never, EVER have happened. Herc is generally loyal to his shows, guys. If he stops watching, you know something's up. And maybe it's just a product of trying to perpetuate a show that should have only lasted 3-4 seasons at the most.
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1) I realize that Damon Lindelof helped start the show "Lost" with JJ Abrams, and maybe that buys the series some more slack, or gives me more hope, because he co-wrote all three hours of the fantastic season finale. 2) I hate how it seems like everything: books, plays, music videos, television, foreign countries' movies, everything, is just a farm system for Hollywood. Personally I'd much rather see a good "Alias" and a good "Lost" then two flagging series and a decent 'Mission: Impossible 3.' Oh joy.
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Changes the context a little bit. Peace.
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Jack bristow. check it out!!! i extracted the frames.
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Part of the problem is that there doesn't sem to be a decent villain for the good guys to play off. Season one, you knew you had SD-6/the alliance as the main villain and K-directorate as a rival. Then there was the the Man, who was really Irina i think, and the Covenant. I can't tell you who the bad guys are anymore. They seem to change every couple of weeks. I mean, was The Evil Nanny Derevko on for more than 4 weeks? She was the Big Bad, unleashing the Rambaldi Device, but hardly enough build-up, and now she's done. Also, there are no longer any characters who are not spies - there's no secrecy/ tension left in hiding parts of her life. Remember how they secretly formed a black-ops group that was top secret? Within 2 weeks everyone they knew was let in on the secret, so they could all hang out at dinner and not have to hide anything from each other. BORING. Establish a consistent villain and and move forward - enough with the secret surpises from the past. Next we'll find out Weiss is really Rambaldi's heir and he's been playing everyone for a fool all these years.
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Could you imagine Vaughn telling Sydney anything worse than "Syd. I was the one that Sloane assigned to kill Danny."
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I just wanted to say for better or worse I will never forget this season finale, if for no other reason, than that I was so shocked by Vaughn's revelation that I literally fell out of my comfy chair and broke a rib.
I am now aching both physically and mentally from this latest blow by JJ and company. I don't like where the show went in Season 3. I felt like Season 4 was a sell-out season, designed more for Lost viewers than for loyal Rambaldi followers.
But now I can't stop and wonder what will they do next? And do I give a sh*t? And when will this damn rib stop hurting do f*cking much!
Damn you JJ Abrams! Damn you to hell!
Of course, all could be remedied if you restored the magic of season 1, by giving Sydney a real life and work life that can't possibly mesh. Seeing her balance the mundane and the fate of world in a seductive juggling act, usually wearing a sexy-as-hell get up and yet another wig-of-the-week. After all, isn't that what the title "Alias" really means? It's not about the wig-of-the-week, it's about the Sydney Bristow who doesn't wear a wig, but who's just as fake as her many alter-egos. Do we even know the real Sydney? Sure, she's a spy with a possible role in the Apocalypse, but how does she handle the simple stuff, like shopping and going to movies.
In short, I miss Francie. And Will Tippen, though technically he got in too deep for his own usefulness.
But that's just my opinion. I've got to go nurse my ribs now.
-BB
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and I remember last year they did exactly the same.. At the very end of the season, syd finds some documents that reveal that someone (jack in that case) had been betraying her for a long time (at least that was the implression I got from those papers). I actually hope the stick to it next season, instead of backing out like they obviously did this season with that story about jack killing irina. And where are those frames that show the driver of the jeep??!?!!?
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like 3 years ago, when they were doing the whole "prophesy" arc ("the woman here depicted", etc), I posted this: http://www.aintitcool.com/tb_display.cgi?id=11789#428911 which totally called this ending with syd stopping a rambaldi doomsday device (yes, I actually went back to search for the post, but I got lucky). Too bad they just dropped the prophesy thing like some many other things, that would have been a cool tie-in for this ep..
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Just have the show be about Jack agent Weisz and Marshall. Every week Jack can beat someone up or torture someone.
Seriously, when Jack punched out Sloan, I thought "This is why Jack is cooler than Syd. Syd wants to do shit like this but pussies out." Seriously, motherfucker had your fiancee killed. Motherfucker had tons of bitches killed. Syd should just cowboy up and put a cap in Sloane's chrome. -
May 27, 2005 10:49:49 AM CDT
JJ Abrams owes Charlie Kaufmann a few bucks for that last shot!
by gul shah
All-in-all, a crummy finale, with a great (though cribbed) ending.
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SPOOOOOKY RAMBALDI DEVICE disabled by cuting 1 of 2 wires?! i dunno, but still that finally takes care of that rambaldi arc (or one part at least). season 1 hinted that rambaldi was still alive, so maybe that could be the next arc. they never did explain how he could do all of this shit. And I agree THIS IS WHAT LOST SHOULD HAVE DONE. they open the hatch, or meet some more survivors, or have everyone realize the numbers, THEN use the walt stolen as the cliffhanger. BLAH!
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Vaughan is really Ethan Rom (after plastic surgery), who crossed time and shows just to blow your mind!!!!
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Everyone knows about the two yeras when Syd was gone!!! Right? Next season was supposed to go back to that. The day of the fight, the covenant, Nadia would be part of this alliance where Sydney was evil. Lots of Nanny and Nadia doing bad stuff to Syd. We would see Vaughn and Dixon totally dissing Sloane in the bathroom and trying to get people to kill him. It would have been Brilliant. It would have taken from Lost the flashbacks, the moments when you saw Lauren act a certain way. Her father the senator as some evil guy torturing talkbackers for fun. And that bitch who played her mom totally takin up the bum from Jack. Yeah thats good television. We would see Syd totally be used like an easy bake oven Snoop Dogg was dryin weed in. Still could work. Get her pregnant, make Sark the Daddy. Watch pregnant woman kick ass. Dont know the details, but the premise would be, Those two years were not forgotten. Would also give people a chance to catch up with the other seasons. I think Syd getting pregnant gives the show the time to make great episodes especialy if its going to be the last. How bout this for a superbowl Alias? Nanny Derevko is chasing Nadia, with Syd who has just given birth. And there is a crash. Flash to this season's ending, and you have Vaughn say I am Rambaldi and Sloane has your baby. Now that would fucking KILL!!!!! And yeah, good or extra fucking good, its still the best hour of tv ever!!!!
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I really do hope someone reads this!!! I have all the answers. In those two years that Syd was gone. Sloane and the new baddy, The senator, totally fucked with everyone. The daughter who was good but is now bad. Vaughn who was in love but instead just wants to leave the FBI. Dixon who just like Sloane lost his wife. He would fight it some but would give in. Jack who has to have some great writer totally make him the asshole of the show. Make him Bigger than Sloane. Everyone remembers when he told Sydney, when she was pretending to be her Mom, that she already knew he was a spy. There are things from this past season that were daring, I think the DVD will really help to show what the last season will bring. I totally think Vaughn should be Rambaldi. Her handler, come on, it makes sense!!! And he is the reason Jack is still alive and medical recovery. Though I dont think Rambaldi would have married Lauren, unless they can think of backstory for that. Would love to see those two years Syd was gone as the glue to make these past two seasons, come together. Plus a nine month baby chapter could really make the two year gap fit into one season. As long as Jennifer is able to get back to extra hot status!!! I know there are some of yall that have to agree with me!!! I am Brilliant!!!!
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I just think it's sad that Alias has gone so far off track. I've gotten to the point where I don't care about any of the characters ... including Sydney. This is definitely one of those shows that favors plot twists over characters. And after a while, the plot twists just get old. Even though JJ created both Lost and Alias, he doesn't seem to be very involved with either. He's more concerned about making Mission Impossible 3 with Tom Cruise. And before that it was a very misguided take on Superman that (thankfully) never made it to screen. My fear is that Lost is quickly going the way of Alias. Invisible monsters, polar bears in the tropics, giant red balls that induce mass hysteria: I get the feeling that writers are throwing stuff in for a great twist and then they don't know what to do with it as things get more and more outlandish.
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May 27, 2005 3:54:26 PM CDT
His name is not Michael Vaughn, it is Commander Vaughn Michaels
by big jim
and the past four years have not really happened. It has all been a simulation on his starship's holodeck.
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May 27, 2005 4:38:12 PM CDT
Yep, Vaughn not only killed your fiance, he was romantically inv
by lordsoth
I think I had the same thought a few others did, I was fully expecting him to say, "I was the one who killed your fiance." But, the car hit them instead.
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her fiance if he mistkingly though that he was the SD-6 agent and not her.
Vaughn adds nothing to this show, Marshall and Weiss have twice the humanity that he has, I never cared about his charchter enough to care when he got all angsty. Also, I do enjoy this show, but Syd disobeys an awful lot of orders. There needs to be an evil Jack Bristow like villan. I would LOVE to see Jack and Quentin Tarantinos charcter go at it. Also, people are always talking about extremely security sensative security information on there CELL Phones inside the CIA, and I'm not supposed to think that the CIA would be listening in. Terry O'Quinn added a lot to the show, they need him back. -
were I care mmuch more about Nadia then Syd.
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schitzophrenic dude, all those devises that work together and they dont even all belong to the same machine.
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Perhaps Vaughn's Dad was actually a Russian double agent, or maybe an Alliance double agent. Perhaps that's why Irina killed him and why Vaughn has been able to look past Irina's killing of his father(because Vaughn would have no problem killing a double agent himself). Perhaps Vaughn, when younger, started working for the Alliance, much like Sydney, but when he found out the truth he turned sides. Anyway, I don't think Vaughn killed Danny.
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Dead Danny in the tub was a clone - the real Danny was given plastic surgery and put into the witness protection program as a CIA agent named Michael Vaughn.
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She has multiple personalities and Vaughn is just one of them. Everyone around her goes along because she is nuts and heavily armed.
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What if he was Bill Vaughn? only accounts we have of his past has come from him, what if he never died, and only took on another alias years later. Irina said he looked just like his father(season 2). When someone said that they could help him locate his father he freaked out. perhaps knowing that they were on to him. It's a stretch, but who knows
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A testament to how good Terry O'Quinn's acting is: I love the guy in "Lost," but back when he was that CIA dude in "Alias," I thought he was a big douche with a stick up his ass and wanted him to go away. So, yeah. That's called range, baby.
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What if Vaughn IS Danny. I'm re-watching Season 1 (again) and it kinda makes sense. I mean, Vaughn trusted Sydney without any doubts the day she walked into the office, even when no one else did. There's nothing to say that it was Danny's Dad who was killed, or that Bill Vaughn was his dad, but his mom re-married and he took his step-dad's name. This isn't too far fetched for "Alias"...
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...when I freeze frame that picture, that's PETER GRIFFEN driving the car!
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He was great as Peter Watts in Millineum , the dude is great in these semi mysterious sci fi type roles.
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"...it's really Michael Vartan." ----
Also, wasn't Will Tippin suppose to come back this season? He was my second favorite character after Jack. Although now that he's an "insider," I guess his character doesn't serve a purpose anymore. ----
Hey Hercules, if you loved Star Trek's Alien Space Nazi, you gotta check out this episode of Happy Days where the Fonz, yes the Fonz, waterskis over a shark tank. I was on pins and needles. Space Nazis indeed! I actually note that moment as the worst in the entire history of Star Trek. There's not even a close second.
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