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Wildly Spectacularly Vunderval FANTASTIC FOUR images hit online filling one with a sense of utter DOOM!!!
Hey folks, Harry here... I find it down right amazing how utterly shitty FANTASTIC FOUR looks - but it seems that some fan sites out there - and some folks think it just looks absolutely scrumdiddliumptious. For example - you've got Scott over at Fantastic411.com. I love his enthusiasm and excitement, hell it's kinda what I'm known for. But there is not a single element of this film that looks good to me. From the shoddy lighting, to production design that looks like it comes off some sort of cheap sitcom... I mean - look at this shot of Ben Grimm walking into what is supposed to be a Yancy Street Bar... Does that look like a Hell's Kitchen style bar? Or does that look like some sort of fucking Yuppie Spawning ground?
And then look at Alicia Masters. I'm so happy that Alicia spends hours and hours in front of the mirror doing her make-up and hair. I mean, this is the single most FLY blind chick... right? Doesn't she just instantly strike you as the very embodiment of Alicia Masters? Thank God they didn't cast someone like Alicia Witt or Alyson Hannigan... right?
And then there's this... I can't even begin to fathom what level of schlocksploitation they pulled this rancid shit from. Look at this. It's like George Sanders or Otto Preminger are off Camera recalling the same make up done to Adam West on the old 60's BATMAN series. Hell, Gil Gerard's make-up from the beginning of BUCK ROGERS kicked the shit out of this. In my wildest nightmares of where this film was headed - I never dreamt for a second that it'd have shitty shots like this one... Bring back Corman, at least he only wasted $1 million on his bad FANTASTIC FOUR movie. Of course - maybe I'm being a tad over the top... after all Scott seems to think these two shots are like something from the end of TITANIC between Leo and Kate. Um, yeah... don't it?
The thing that just kills me is that even the new one sheet that is up over at SuperHeroHype.Com just looks dreadful. First off... the staging is all ass backwards - and is badly composed. First off - The Thing doesn't go at the back - and why have the Human Torch only partly aflame... I mean, is that actor some sort of major heart-throb that's got tweenies all gushy in lobbies across the country? And having Mr Fantastic front and center reaching for ya like Frankenstein - without any exhibition of his powers... it look ass. The poster should have Reed at the back stretching from far off in the distance to the top left corner fist oversized and clenched. Johnny needs to have left a flaming 4 off in the distant night sky - and have blazed to the top right hand corner - in full Flame On mode. Then in the midground with a car rolled into a ball in one hand ready to throw it is the Thing... and up close invisible with all the curves soft lit should be Sue. It's like they've never seen a classic FANTASTIC FOUR cover.
Well - if you've got to see all the new images head over to Fantastic411.Com and if you're dying to see this new FF poster head over to SuperHeroHype.Com! I don't mean to rain on this parade, but seriously... isn't the best thing any of us have seen regarding this film is that Magic Johnson basketball spot, that technically has nothing to do with anything in the movie? Ugh. I have heard some positive things from behind the scenes, but it almost entirely has to do with Chiklis' Ben Grimm - the rest just sounds awful though. I'd love nothing more than to be dead wrong, FF was my favorite Silver Age Superhero title. Remember what they called the reprints? MARVEL'S GREATEST. Does any of this really look like Marvel's Greatest?
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This negative take on a movie well before it opens must mean one of two things. Paul WS Anderson is involved, or Harry wasn't offered even a measley set visit.
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no clue
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May 25, 2005 2:58:06 AM CDT
"It's like they've never seen a cover of a classic FANTASTIC FOU
by frank the rabbit
Come on Harry...PROOF READ!!
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I'm in the minority here, but I think a crappy superhero movie is better than none at all.
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yet it seemed like the trailer got a good crowd reaction when it appeared before Star Wars the evening I saw it. I was never into the comic (and I was into comics) and the trailer hasn't changed my mind.
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Catwoman is a great start for an excellent DC run.
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May 25, 2005 3:18:07 AM CDT
Well, call me crazy, but it looks like Doom has rendered Mr. Fan
by hammer2fall
It's real easy to call something a shit idea when it's taken out of context.
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May 25, 2005 3:28:07 AM CDT
I'm still going to see it, dammit!!!!!!!!! (well, only because I
by monkeybrains
Yep its going to suck suck suck. They might as well bring in HERBIE the robot and just make a shit pie out of it anyway. There is realy no hope for this. It would be funny if they just say: Fuck it, just put every bad scene in the movie and hope we get a good opening weekend before the non fan-site readers get a wiff of this monstosity of defecation. Ha....maybe it will be so bad that it becomes a cult film to get drunk over and laugh out asses at. Gotta think positive
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... Dr. Doom opened up a dimensional portal and pulled Grima Wormtongue in to suck out Mr. Fantastic's soul or Doom captured a whole tribe of Abominable Snowmen to jizz all over Mr. Fantastic (first mainstream superhero bukkake).
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May 25, 2005 3:34:17 AM CDT
"Fantastic Four"? This looks like a "Fantastic Flop"! [In Horat
by pan demonium
"Clobbering time"? Looks more like "slobbering time" for the drooling idiots behind this mess... "Flame on"? You can bet the AICN geeks will be "flaming on" this one! "Doctor Doom"? I say "career doom" for everyone involved! "Fantastic Four"? More of this drek should have ended up the "fantastic cutting-room floor"... [I could go on, but you get the idea. I'm afraid it looks like another dissappointment is heading this way.] ...Pan out.
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May 25, 2005 3:43:08 AM CDT
This'll show up in a fan festival with DAREDEVIL and ELEKTRA som
by truthseekr1488
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they shoulda said fuck it and aired this piece of shit on a Thursday night on Fox. i'd rather pay ten bucks to sit in a theatre and watch OC reruns
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tape that sponge taffy shit to my self for opening night and claim to be Thing
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May 25, 2005 3:47:08 AM CDT
This flick's profits will be as invisible as Alba's acting abili
by truthseekr1488
Heh. Had to get one in.
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I'll see it anyways but this does look low budget. Same problem with the X-Men movies too many super heroes on screen at one time and not enough money in the budget to make them all look good. First hint of low budgetness is that they should have given the Thing the Hulk treatment. That suit looks way rubbery! I'd much rather see them spend 200 million on one super hero like Spiderman or Superman then 1/2 that amount on 4 or 5 supers. Oh well! There's always Batman Begins! ;->
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And without so much as a Cape Canaveral screening invite? I'm sure this can't possibly be as emotionally satisfying as 'Armageddon' after all. But honestly, what can? HA! I've got a feeling that this flick may just be spot on after all. If Story can nail the family element that makes the Four unique in comics and the effects are halfway decent, it may just work. I've actually liked the trailers thus far, but I'm reserving judgement until I actually see the finished film. Crazy fucking concept. I know.
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Apparently Reed Richards on ice. Go figure.
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I've not clicked on this link for fear of what's behind it. I could be a goof. It could be cool. I dunno I fear this link. Is it nsfw or is it the finest poster of all time. Tub girl hmmmmm http://www.tubgirl.com
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alright...I will be there to see it opening night...oh and ipolo...marvel did not make batman and robin...thats a DC property...perhaps you should clarify...
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Ok this has gotten way past ridiculous...not the FF film but this sites constant editorial bashing of it.
Looking at the evidence whoever runs this place has an agenda that has nothing to do with what we are seeing of the film and its getting more and more obvious all the time...
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...AAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!! MY EYES!! MY FUCKING EYES!!! I can't believe what I just saw, and damn you for setting me up for that... AAAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!!! ...Pan out.
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...personally I think the trailer seems pretty cool, all the people cast (while not perfect) seem to be a fair choice. I really like Johnny Storm and the only thing missing from The Thing is his oversize brow. And I like the new poster.
It's one thing to have an opinion of a film that's negative but is it necessary to be so overly 'theatrical' in your hatred for a film? You haven't seen it yet so you just don't know how good or bad it'll be now do you? As it is so often the case there's those ppl who pre-decide whether a movie will rock or not without ACTUALLY SEEING IT. Movies that are already 'awesome' are Land of the Dead (Trailer was okay, not great) King Kong (We've seen cool production art) and Inglorious Bastards (which has barely made into pre-prod). Let go of that frustration Harry...give FF a chance. And remember movies are made for audiences that are not necessarily avid comic book readers (such as me) so some changes are necessary... -
Chiklis is a really good actor and it sucks that he has to be associated with this tripe.
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I don't see where all the hate about these images is coming from. It looks like a comic book flick. I mean I was never a FF fan, but isn't that whole concept kinda pure comic book geek fantasy? Cant get too real about it right? Also who cares about the poster? Remember that Star Wars Ep3 teaser poster? I'm a big fan of Star Wars and that poster really sucked. From what I've heard the movie turned out pretty good (havent seen it yet as I live in Japan). So Harry, chill.
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Having him freeze Mr. Fantastic makes sense to me because the only thing the trailers really don't show is Dr. Doom. What is his purpose in the movie? In the new trailer you hear Mr. Fantastic say "We have to stop him". From doing what? Blowing buses up? This image at least gives us an idea that Doom actually does something in this movie, he doesn't just show up and gets his ass kicked.
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Picture 3: Reed to Sue - "Honey, while you're down there..."
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So those look pretty cruddy. And it is pretty ridiculous that Alici Masters is all done up like she knows how to apply make-up and style hair.
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What the fuck does DC have to do with this movie? Jackass.
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May 25, 2005 6:38:42 AM CDT
By the way, I was one of those people asking for more objectivit
by ribbons
Because, I know, what a crazy idea, right? Of course it's misinterpreted and taken with sarcasm ("wildly spectuclarly wunderval"), but really, there's not a whole lot of arguing with these pictures. They're pretty lame.
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You really want to hate this film don't you?
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the Thing's suit. It's blatantly rubber latex. You simply can't not see it. It bends where the rubber gives. If it was rock it would bend where the boulders join. It really should have been at least CG enhanced. Hellboy's stone hand worked.
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I'll still go see it. With every Comic Book movie that is released I pay my cash in the hopes of seeing a good "Watchmen", "Preacher", "Sandman", "Y, The Last Man", "30 Days of Night" or "Astro City". If we pay it they might make it. Plus, movies are fun. Elektra and Blade 3 weren't that great, but I had a good time. The only drawback to funding these movies is that Hollywood will have a case for not promoting original ideas. Ones that didn't come from a book, comic, movie, radio show, or cereal box.
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the gravitas is missing - isnt dr droom supposed to be a despotic head of state with unlimited resoruces and his own army - wtf is this whinny astronaut being doom?
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tee-hee
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Because half of the crew working on this are going over to the new x men film. May god have mercy on their souls
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How is that gravitas? Also, "whiny?" There were no other adjectives that worked better (i.e. made sense)?
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May 25, 2005 6:47:03 AM CDT
"I'm so happy that Alicia spends hours and hours in front of the
by kiddae
What the fuck are you talking about? As if she was all dowdy in the comics. And Alicia Witt and Alyson Hannigan are constantly in roles with crazy hair and no make-up, right? I'm sure blind people everywhere would love to hear about how you find the idea of them looking good "unrealistic". Just admit you don't like that she's black, fatty. Christ, I expected to scroll down and see someone dolled up like a hooker, the way you were carrying on.
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What? Making successes of films like Fantastic Four, Elektra and Blade 3 won't result in good comic book adaptations; it tells the studio that they can make money by making shitawful adaptations that aren't giben the budget or talent they deserve.
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I understand that you're not happy that Peyton Reed didn't get a chance to direct FF, Hell, I wasn't happy when I found out that Christopher "INSOMNIA" Nolan was directing the comeback for my favorite comics character either, however, after seeing the preview for BATMAN BEGINS during SMALLVILLE the other night, I'm willing to give it a chance. You might want to do the same. Ya never know, you just might be surprised.
PS- I saw the FANTASTIC FOUR trailer when I saw STAR WARS last week and it looked pretty good. I was never a huge FF fan but I have read them over the years(still prefer classic Lee/Kirby) and it seems to have captured the spirit of the comic. That's about the best we can ever hope for w/these films, isn't it? I mean, even the best of 'em are never literal translations of the comics, are they? -
I mean this was all about: "I could do a better movie." Yeah, right. I could post some pictures of Fight Club, the fucking best film of the 90's in here and write the same. I got just one word: HATER!!! Really.
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As in Roger Corman... And it shouldn
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May 25, 2005 7:03:26 AM CDT
Notice how about five people in this thread think that Harry sol
by team america
Shills. This movie looks terrible.
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I just finished reading the novelization a few days ago and thought it was pretty good.I have high hopes the film itself turns out good as I have been a Fantasti Four fan for almost my entire life.Hell,I even thought the Corman version was entertaining.I wish the trailers that have come out would have shown more of Reed's stretching abilities than they have,but I,ll see how they turned out on July 8th like everyone else.As for Harry hating this film so much without having seen it yet,it seems to me that I can remember him having these same kinds of comments back in 2000 about the first X-Men movie before he had seen it.
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At this point this shit-pile is speaking for itself. No need for me to rant & rave anymore... just look at the pictures. Is Fox even bothering to advertise it, or are they just treating it like the half-assed direct-to-DVD schlock that it is? Here's my plan: 1) Go to see it opening weekend 2) Laugh with genuine enjoyment as it TANKS 3) Smoke up & read all my Kirby/Lee F.F.s in one sitting. Thank you.
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a deleted scene from Cheers, season one. enough of all the comic book movies, can't people start writing original scripts? the term 'writer' means fuck all in Hollywood anymore.
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It's completely obvious that Harry forms his opinions about things long before he actually evaluates the material that crosses his desk in an unbiased manner. I don't know what evil the creators of the Fantastic Four movie did to him, but it's been obvious for months that he's determined not to like this movie. With nearly every movie he features on this site, he makes an early determination based on a few photos, or his hunches on the cast, or whatever. And God forbid anyone should make a casting or production decision he disagrees with, because that'll be it. It's so obvious. I mean, if Fantastic Four had been a movie Harry had made up his mind to LIKE, here's some things this latest news post would have said: "The special effects give a retro feel back to that Silver Age that made the FF the most famous." "Smart move keeping Chris Evans in the poster, guys-- it's obvious the movie has something for the ladies too!" "I say pile on the camp-- it's that sort of nostalgia that makes us crazy for the ever-lovin' FF!" And you KNOW it's true... if whatever little switch in his head was flicked in the opposite direction, he would find any way he could to defend the movie. It has nothing to do with the quality of the picture in the end-- just Harry's hunches or personal biases. I love how he can make a judgment on a movie he hasn't even seen. Sorry if I'm rambling, I know that most of you probably all realize this. But I don't post often and I just wanted to say how mad I am about Harry's bias. I like AICN for its inside scoops and news, but I hate having to wade through all the unfounded personal biases.
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Maybe you can't see the shit you're allowing to be cranked out with the Mighty Marvel Moniker, but I'm here to tell you between this festering lump of tumors, "Hulk" and "Daredevil" you're coming awfully close to relegating comics back to kiddie fare. Why? Because you're finding people who can take the material - well, not seriously but at least with some degree of loyality to the reverance we held it as kids.
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I'm with you. It looks like shit. (Do any of these shots look like HOWARD THE DUCK to anyone else?) But, hey, I kinda always thought it would. I think F4 is just not adaptable. I mean think about the story and the characters and the character powers. It's all very over the top. It would be downright almost impossible to not make at least one thing look cheazy. Honestly, the only way I think one could make a great F4 movie would be to just go for the shooters. Make it all over the top. Make it like Flash Gordon or the Batman TV series. I'd go see that. But, hey, I'm like the other guy(s)... I'll go see this one too. No matter how bad it looks. I'm a sucker for all comic book adaptations. And I was a fan growing up. Although, I still would've preferred to see Ironman prior to this.
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I am surpirised how hostile this article is about FF. I mean FF have always been a _comic_ that only the most moms-basement-living-40-year-old-virgin would actually give a shit about, and I've always thought the comic sucked donkey genitals, but I actually thought the movie looked like fun. Hell, even my wife thought it looked good when we saw the trailer yesterday with Star Wars 3. I mean "The poster should have Reed at the back stretching from far off in the distance to the top left corner fist oversized and clenched. Johnny needs to have left a flaming 4 off in the distant night sky - and have blazed to the top right hand corner - in full Flame On mode. Then in the midground with a car rolled into a ball in one hand ready to throw it is the Thing... and up close invisible with all the curves soft lit should be Sue." - wow, that sounds like something a moms-basement-living-40-year-old-virgin would bitch about.
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And compare this rant to the gushing bullshit we've seen on King Kong even though we've seen like maybe two pictures of the chick from Mullholland Drive, and a couple of production sketches, and wow, King Kong is going to be the most fucking amazing movie ever made...
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May 25, 2005 8:18:39 AM CDT
C'mon it does'nt look that bad eveyone on this talkback are stil
by danzigg
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Man, I never really thought that this movie showed a lot of promise. But after I saw the FF trailer before Episode III last week... I legitimately felt like barfing. I swear this looks like the worst comic book adaptation. I hesitate to mention anything about the first FF movie, or the Captain America movie, but in all seriousness this movie looks that bad. A big budget, flashy special effects P.O.S. Jessica Alba's hot though, so at least it has one positive.
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and so will the makers of this crapfest the next time they want money to make another movie.
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"HOW NOW BROWN COW?"
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And that group would be less miscast than the group of hacks they got.
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May 25, 2005 8:37:47 AM CDT
Wow, Talkback is more moderate than Harry! But the lighting doe
by drath
It looks like the Corman movie's lighting actually, or the dungeon scene from Swamp Thing. And admittedly, I don't think this looks cool in the way it ought to. It does not have the vibe that, say, the Incredibles had, and you know these movies will be compared. I have to say that the trailer ended good for me, but the beginning with the oh-so-fucking-familiar origin stuff in space just...well, it sucked. It looked like the Lost in Space movie only cheaper. However, the talkbacks sure suggest that it's doing pretty well with the mainstream of geeks. I guess you love the source material more than these kids, Harry! But anyway, in defense of Ms. Masters, isn't it possible she's been done up by a girlfriend for her date? She's there on a date with one of the "Fantastic Four" isn't she? Or is this how they meet? I don't know, but I don't think you should have a cow over how she looks here unless you know this is how she's presented, like this is how she always is when Grimm comes into her life. But yikes, that lighting just looks shit.
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that Gene Shalit post made my day.
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In my limited experience, the Fantastic 4 comics were fairly shite. Therefore, a fairly shite film would constitute a perfect adaptation. I'd like to say that this film will OWN you all, but i don't really know what that means.
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And they have a series of kids books that are based on the FF movie. I happen to agree that the images online look like crap but the ones in these kids books looked incredible.
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May 25, 2005 8:53:40 AM CDT
they should do FF PORN!!! I wanna see the thing's thing!!!
by banthafodderuk
now thats a winner
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May 25, 2005 9:03:27 AM CDT
Christ Harry, you're complaining about the BAR he walks into?
by uncooked_meat
Jebus, get a life. Find something important to bitch about. Not to mention that Hell's Kitchen is now "Clinton", and substantially more gentrified than before.
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...It's funny to see your critical mind spring to life when Star Wars isn't in the title of a movie. And it doesn't help the credibility of any critique when part of ones argument is based on nonsense.
All the crap that's wrong with this movie and one of your gripes is with Alicia Masters being fine? I could have accepted the "ALICIA MASTERS IS NOT BLACK" argument that has been run into the ground and set on fire, but a critique on her beauty? Let me look at my collection of FF comics spanning from Byrnes run on....nope, Alicia has never been presented as a nothing less than beautiful.
I'll not even go into how fucked up it was for you too imply blind women are generally fugly because they..y'know, can't see themselves to groom properly. As if they have no one around them who would make sure they are presentable each and every day.
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Despite getting his look all wrong, I have a feeling that Johnny Storm and Ben Grimm will be the characters portrayed most "faithfully". Gruffud and Alba appear to be big-time miscasts. Curious to see what they do with Dr. Doom, too, since he was always so over-the-top evil in the comic book. I don't mind Kerry Washington as Alicia, either. In fact, I think it adds another texture to the "looks aren't what matters" motif to the Ben/Alicia romance.
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May 25, 2005 9:32:26 AM CDT
Is it in Jessica Alba'a contract that in every picture of hersel
by rolling_stone
Harry's right. this movie has little to do with the source material.
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Fantastischen vier aussehen wie es geht zu mir der gr
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May 25, 2005 9:49:40 AM CDT
Well, there's always straight to vid Barbershop sequels, my brot
by hypeendshere
seriously, just release the Corman version as a second disc and i may actually get the DVD of this.
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...unsettling. I mean, I've enjoyed the trailers for this movie so far, but these images aren't really amping up my excite-o-meter any. In fact, that post-Mr.Freeze treatment for what I assume is a cryogenically challenged Reed in Doom's Make Me Laugh chair is just downright funny looking. But maybe that's what they're going for here? A kind of retro camp feeling? If that's the case, then the bar should definitely be more of a dive (where's the Blue Oyster Bar set from the Police Academy movies?). The Thing still looks decent to me (like the early Kirby drawings of the character, which is dead on for an origin film) and Doom looks about the way I expected he would (right out of the comics). Alba's backside is still one of my five favorite places in the universe and looks good here, as always. I can't help but agree with whoever said Harry's real issue with Alicia is clearly her being black. She doesn't look anymore dolled up than Laura Dern did in Mask. She just happens to have a darker complexion. Deal with it, Harry. I'm still planning on seeing this, but only that first batch of reviews will determine whether its on the big screen or on DVD.
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Let's see, Harry--I don't see any advertisements, no set visits, not interviews with the cast...hmmmm... could that be the reason why you're condemning this film before it even opens? That, and the fact that you basically want this to be set in 1961 and whatever lame ideas you may have, are the reasons why you hate this movie. Grow up, Harry. Seriously.
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"That doesn't look like a Hell's Kitchen bar"? Harry, have you even BEEN to Hell's Kitchen lately? It's become yet another trendy little section of New York. When's the last time you've even BEEN here?
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Once again we have to read a rant from Harry about a movie that is going to suck ..even though he aint seen it. But hey its okay he's an expert, right?
He knows all about production design and lighting cause you learn all about that holed up in your stuffy bedroom for years doing nothing but eating and slapping your meat.
Oh hold on just maybe you know nothing Harry(as i suspect is the case)
I cannot wait for the movies Harry is allegedly producing for Revolution to be released.
I have no doubt that they are gonna suck big time and prove once and for all that Harry dont know jack about movies unless the studio's throws some cash (or food) his way to write something positive.
Oh how i rub my hands with glee waiting for the big flop of one of Harry's movies. You know itt is gonna happen and i for one will not be holding back my comments on the stinking turd that he will eventually deliver.
Harry Knowles Productions will make FF look like Schindlers List.
Anyway all i really wanted to say was....SHUT YOUR HOLE HARRY FF WILL ROCK BIG TIME!!!!!
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As I recall, Harry liked SW: Episode I and Gladiator.
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should by a year.
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However, who am I to judge when I haven't even seen the fucking thing? I'm thinking that FF is one of those movies put into development after the success of Spiderman and then they forget that Spiderman has actual TALENT behind it and that's what made it work. I wonder how many shit superhero movies have to be made before studios GET this. I'm praying that Batman Begins is good. All the ingredients are there, including a fucking great cast. I just hope I don't come away from it thinking 'meh', thinking we've seen it all before and it adds nothing.
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Ease up there, GOODIE. Don't you think you're getting more than a little carried away with the venom spewed in Harry's direction? While I agree that Knowles has in fact not seen this, and therefore essentially has ABSOLUTELY NO RYHME OR REASON to trash it as hard as he is...personal attacks and wishing the man ill will in pursuit of his own film career? That's more than a little over the line. While Harry has been wrong on MANY ocassions in his recommendations and the films he chooses to bag on, and his reviews more often than not do become little more than incoherent stories about family members and opportunities to drop as many fucking names as possible, and while he may or may not be in the back pocket of some studio folks...the guy hosts a pretty fucking decent movie news site. A site we're all fortunate enough to have around so we can tease the poor bastard. You're way off on hitting the tubby bastard so hard, GOODIE. And Harry, you're wrong in hitting this flick so hard, so early, and so often.
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What a fag!
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I think this has potential. The trailer before Star Wars got me jazzed. But seriously..."Flame On"...what a fag!
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Show me some tits! He's redeemed by the line about "Get me some names...and shots!"
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I agree. It's ridiculous that I should be afraid to say it, but I agree. Moreover, I think what flicked the proverbial switch was not the lack of set visits (grow up, guys; you'd think the only movies he gave passing marks were ones he was invited to watch being shot), but because he wanted a period piece-eque, Kirby-esque feel, something that is also well-documented on this site. I actually agree with those sentiments, although I DO NOT believe that changing Dr. Doom from an evil despot to an evil despot was a bad move. I'm not a hardcore fan of the FF, so maybe I'll get some big, fat F-bombs, for this, but I always thought that Dr. Doom owning a country was rather on the stupid side ("Kind of like you, Ribbons." Zing.). Unless Stan Lee and Jack Kirby were trying to make some commentary on the elasticity of science and progress and diplomacy compared to the intractable and stunting nature of dictatorships -- which I'm going to go out on a limb and say I don't think they were -- what's so sacred about his royalty that it can't be transplanted onto something more believable, like a business? Even then, the analogy would still work. Wow. I went on a really long tangent just then. What was I saying? Oh yeah, so Harry wanted a '60s-ish, retro-futuristic look, which isn't happening. And so he's mad. That's what I think. However, to be fair, the lighting in those pictures is awful, and even though the trailers are semi-interesting, you can't argue that the dialogue isn't absolutely horrendous. It is. So while Harry's probably had it out for this movie, or at least has convinced himself that it can't be any good before enough evidence even piled up to back up that fact, it just might end up sucking. I hope not, but it's not exactly terribly unlikely. By the way, Harry's not pissed at Avi Arad. He gave 'Blade: Trinity' a bad review because 'Blade: Trinity' was about as exciting as watching paint dry.
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Guys. The movie isn't even out yet and you are dissing it. I'll bet you sad buggers will still go and see it anyway, go and buy the DVD and the t-shirts as well. Get a life. Bitches
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I meant to say opinion. Actually, I meant to say fact, but looking back on it now, I mean to say opinion. Peace.
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Ummm...wouldn't know, since I didn't see either of those movies. Did you?
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The trailer on the bigscreen (before the extremely lame ROTS) looked great. The Thing looked much more "rocky," and the whole thing in general looks like fun. So stop bitching about a movie you haven't seen. And remember, YOU loved "Armageddon," OK? Oh, and I have a blind friend who happens to be female and--guess what? She puts on makeup and does her hair like a woman who can see herself.
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People who say this movie looks good are on crack, no two ways about it. I see little difference between this and the Roger Cormon version. Yes, it has CGI special effects and looks more modern, but both are cringe-inducing and unintentional-laugh-inducing, both filmmakers fucked up the casting, made the Thing look retarded, made the evil villain laugh-inspiring, Reed Richards; they picked a guy way too young and pretty-faced, and only put a dab of grey dye at his temples to try to make him look late 40's. They also fucked up Sue Storm, in that she should be a mature, strong, commanding female presence, not a barely-legal with giant pouty lips. The Thing looks like Michael Chikilis covered in Skor bar, and Doctor Doom, while true enough to the comic character, just looks visually out of place. Probably the only thing done right was Johnny, but even in the trailers he tries way to hard to sell his character, it's reminiscint of Poochy. THis movie looks like utter shit.
Spiderman\Batman, Burton's Batman films, Batman Begins\Superman Returns: examples of it being done right, whereby a filmmaker has a true vision he is inspired to bring onscreen. THe inspiration was to fulfill their vision, the money is an afterthought.
Fantastic Four\Daredevil\Schumachers' Batman films\Ghost Rider\Iron Man\Nick Fury\ and the 20 other comic films Arad wants to make in the next couple of years: examples of it being done wrong, execs getting dollar signs in their eyes and churning out shitty films like a sausage factory.
Here is the ultimate litmus test for whether or not a superhero film is going to be good or bad. If the director has to pitch it to the studios and convince them to do it, then it's probably going to be good. If the studio decides to make the film, then tries to find a director to direct it, it's going to be SHITE. Which means that every one of these upcoming Marvel movies are going to be SHITE. -
FF is a low-level Marvel title. Historically, it is significant, but the average person knows fuck about FF. for this reason, it was given a shitty cast and director. Spider-Man people can relate to, X-Men people think are cool. Daredevil, Elektra, Hulk, and Punisher.... well, it'll probably be on their level. the film looks cheap and Doctor Doom is not threatening. the only way this could've been something different than other superhero flicks is by putting them into space and taking on Galactus with the Silver Surfer or some Skrulls and shit.
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Fox will do it again - take a really cool comic and twist the shit out of it so some 13 year old girl in Wichita will tell her friends there's a hot guy in the movie. The one-sheet, trailer and "planted" info on this is another look into Fox's horrible marketing department. Maybe they should take some lessons from Lion's Gate and release a fan-flick for what it should be - a geek-flick!
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fucking cool
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And careful Harry, Moriarty doesn't like that kind of subtly racist geek talk. Remember, it's wrong to dislike a casting choice just because the actor might not be right for the role. I mean 'cause like, the other day I was talking with my buddy, and he was kind of like "I don't know, man. I just don't think she's right for the part." And I was all "Dude, do you think that makes you a racist or something?" and he was like "Eh...." You know?
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But the first movie did have a "mutant-making machine," did it not? Spare me the talk about how cheesy a Reed popsicle is and look past your own pretensions for more than a minute.
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I agree, FF is probably going to tank at the box office
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FYI, the script for 'Daredevil' was not commissioned by Avi Arad, but pitched by Mark Steven Johnson.
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johnny storm travels the world seeking the means to safely set himself on fire, ben grimm seeks the ways of vaseline intensive care, sue storm is hellbent on being in as many comic-to-movie adaptations as possible and mister fantastic is, well, just plain fantastic. doom? well.. i dunno.
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Bravo, Harry.
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I really didnt think marvel would do this to the FF...but they did it to DD, and they went ahead and did it to the FF. Why would they do this, why? why? I cant beleive that DC is going to come out smelling like roses after Batman and Superman hit and Marvel's movies will be camp crap...what an ironic reversal of fortune.
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Harry, I agree that the FF movie doesn't look good and I'm keeping my expectations very low. But you're doing that same thing you did when the first Scooby Doo movie came out and not shutting up about it and harping on EVERY thing (the poster placement??) to the point that it's annoying and now I'm gonna do my best to love this movie to spite you.
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You do realize that to the general public, and to Hollywood, it's all the same thing, right? The failure of one production company doesn't exactly help the other succeed. Leave the petty rivalries to the comic book store.
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May 25, 2005 11:57:53 AM CDT
People will bitch but we'll all go see it anyway. The trailer pl
by mr. profit
I was a bit shocked because I only heard negative reaction toward this film, but I think the masses will see it.
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Big FF fan. And yes I have my doubts about certain things. But not enough to make me trash it or praise it for an Oscar. I thought X-Men was not that good but I enjoyed it. I will wait and see. That is the best approach possible.
Also, I have a friend that is blind. Part of his ongoing therapy no matter if it is permanent or not is to try to do things just as well as people that can see. For instance, they turn the lights on or off whether it be night or day. I am sure it works for blind women trying to wear makeup. -
Which is why pretty much every movie makes money these days, hence why the studios keep pumpin' out the sh*t. What's in it for them to go above and beyond anymore?
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This is a movie for all ages. it looks like fun.
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Of course they're going to look like shit.
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My faith in Harry's reviews has long since disappeared. I love this site, but his opinion on movies does not jive with mine. Positive reviews for Armageddon, Cabin Fever and Shaolin Soccer? What the heck?!? Armageddon had a terrible script and acting, Cabin Fever just sucked across the board on all levels, and the only good about Shaolin Soccer were the special effects. The acting and script totally blew. I went into all these movies excited about them and left utterly and completely disappointed. My dad and I were literally laughing while watching Cabin Fever it was so bad. As far as FF goes, I think Harry is being WAY too critical about it. I normally understand when he has negative opinions about movies, but I think FF looks perfectly fine. Probably not on par with Spider-Man or X-Men, but I think it'll be a good popcorn flick. It does sound like Harry has some personal beef with people involved with FF. Lighten up, Harry!
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May 25, 2005 12:27:36 PM CDT
The same people who make excuses for teh bad acting in Ep. 3 wil
by matthooper8
What a joke. Sure FF will probably have bad acting, plot holes, and dumb screams, the Star Wars apologists who overlook the bad in Ep. 3 will rip FF.
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Oh boy! Another comic book movie. People in tights! Yay! There's nothing GAY about superheroes. No gay subtext there what with the idealized bodies, the tight clothes, and the close friendships.
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Harry bashes the hell out of this yet says Sky High looks like fun...
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May 25, 2005 12:30:52 PM CDT
I guess that means we wouldn't be seeing FF banners up in here a
by kai_mah'gra
....that'll teach Avi not to invite Harry for a set-visit.....And let that be a lesson to all you producers out there!!!!
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They just hired whatever director happened to be in the building that day, grabbed a few actors, and slapped this project together because if they don't make a Fantastic Four movie every decade or so they'll lose the rights. Okay that's not true, but it sure seems like it looking at this project.
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I've never seen Harry so hardcore about bashing a flick, I don't even think he was this hard on Catwoman.. I mean yeah, maybe it'll suck, but like someone said, the trailers are getting good crowd responses.. As for me, I like the superhero-as-celebrity angle, that hasnt really been done yet, and that guy from cellular who plays the torch got a lot of laughs.. "Imagine that, but everywhere!" I'll see it just to contribute to a big opening weekend, hopefully thatll piss harry off...
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May 25, 2005 12:41:11 PM CDT
Look, I think this thing looks like crap too, but you're being r
by the garbage man
Seriously bud, your bias against this movie is reaching cartoonish proportions. You more than anyone should know not to base ANY kind of judgment on grainy scans of unfinished shots, especially judgments involving lighting and effects.
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May 25, 2005 12:51:17 PM CDT
Harry - I'm 100% behind with you on this. Just like Godzilla and
by genro
FOX went green on this flick because of all the cash thrown into pre-production over the years. Studios do this when the accountants say it's time to shit or get off the pot...how many of you know this was the film Ang Lee wanted to direct but was *turned down* so Avi gave him Hulk. Two of y favorite books wrecked in one move...Tim Story got the gig by a fluke...this is the same shitty, "we need a film to surivive off its merchandising" deal Avi has done over the past few years and he keeps fucking himself in the long run...Don't forget how many of you thought Punisher looked "kewl" before you actually went...Knowles is dead-on with this one.
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No...the film may well suck in the end but Knowles' complaints so far have been utter bullshit.
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I just knew when FF was mentioned that Harry would be the one defending it and the TB'ers would be the ones bashing it....what a world we live in. And as goofy as it looks, the FF have always been goofy, they've never been serious...their whole shtick is that they're superhero celebrities...by choice at the end of the day.
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Actually, I did know that. The problem is that Avi wants a "sitcom," and he's been single-minded about that for about 5 years. Remember when Raja "Big Momma's House" Gosnell was gonna direct this movie? So the man doesn't make the greatest decisions in the world. Although I'd say that Ang Lee is probably a better fit for 'Hulk' than he is 'Fantastic Four.' Then again, he loves Fantastic Four, so I might be wrong about that.
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...we'll probably never see what could have been in regards to that. Ah well.
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May 25, 2005 1:36:42 PM CDT
Man, you nerd types really take this comic book shit seriously d
by lezbo milk
I hope you guys don't all hate it as much as our fearless leader Harry does, or it's Nerds Gone Wild, the Uncollectable Edition, heading straight for Mother's basements nation wide!
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Wait until the fucking movie comes out. If it sucks, trust me, I'll be the first one to say so, but until then.........SHUT YOUR FUCKING PIE HOLES!!
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I can't stop laughing!!! Oh, wait, I just read Harrys review again. Fun's over.
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Isn't that "Cheers"?...and did Ben light a match?
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May 25, 2005 2:08:51 PM CDT
Harry is right. Not one thing looks good about this crap.
by matthooper8
Can someone name one thing they have seen, in the trailers, previews, posters, or other assorted sources, that looks good (other than Alba)?
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Because there's wallpaper? What, you expected a gunfight to be going on in the background because it's "Hell's Kitchen?" And I thought that the PROBLEM with this movie was that it was too dark and cynical or whatever...now it's the other way around it seems. Or whatever sticks.
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Well, the tumble Ben and Doom take out of that skyscraper seemed kind of neat. Besides for that, no, not really.
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Please send Harry a bootleg of your film or at least buy him dinner. Do something to make the poor guy feel involved...that way the next FF article he writes will be about how much he loves it.
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Look, FF is not the Dark Knight-its a pure, hammy comic fun and is not a david finicher flick. To take it too serious is to kill it. It is what it is-This is not big pre oscar drama. This is summer entertainment-this is a friggin comic for Gods sake. The direction and sets and look all look like...the FF!
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Watch Venture Brothers.. their "Human Torch" runs around screaming in pain bc his flesh is burning.. fuckin hilarious
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The sceptre of The Facer and his legion's insipis cries of "pwesents" returns once more...give it a rest, folks. He's not down on this movie because he wanted perks.
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May 25, 2005 2:27:07 PM CDT
You are right - the peoplw who went to see ROTS will see FF and
by spacesheik
You know it. And I'll be there buying the popcorn but I stand by what I said: the film looks like it lacks drama. Personally I'd have gone with Tim Robbins as Mr. Fantastic...But Chiklis does look good, I have no prob with the way THING looks.
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May 25, 2005 2:29:14 PM CDT
Yeah, you IDIOTS! At least SEE the friggin' movie before you de
by hypeendshere
whatthefudge?
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it seems like the look and feel of this movie has a real jack kirby homage going on. can't complain about that.
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May 25, 2005 2:39:48 PM CDT
I don't know about you guys, but as long as Alba does anal, I'm
by darth_nader
'nuff said!
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May 25, 2005 2:48:55 PM CDT
Trailer loks a hell of a lot more entertaining than that Spiderm
by billy ho
and the castng looks a lot better to me too. I haven't bothered to watch ANY of these superhero comic book adaptations in the theatre. I'm close to commiting to this one.
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Originally posted by Ribbons 2005-05-25 14:21:20 "Well, the tumble Ben and Doom take out of that skyscraper seemed kind of neat. Besides for that, no, not really."
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Harry, in case you hadn't been in a while, most of the bars in Hell's Kitchen are Yuppie Spawning Grounds.
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The two things that MUST work for an FF film to be good is 1) The Thing and 2) Dr. Doom. Both look pretty awful. Doom looks like a cartoon, and The Thing looks like a steaming pile (literally).
I wish I could comment more on the Human Torch, but, like Harry says, we really haven't seen him as the Human Torch. Same goes for Mr. Fantastic. You'd think after The Incredibles that they could get that right.
The only positive thing I could say about it is that the trailer before Star Wars was pretty cool. I doubt it'll work stretched out over two hours though.
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The Incredibles had STYLE. Period.
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How can you judge lighting, set design, etc. by PICTURES???? I honestly hope that this movie is a rousing success just to piss off Harry. If FF had some advertisements up on this site, do you really think Harry'd be bitching and moaning about this? Harry, please, this movie was NEVER going to have a Kirby-Lee 60's period feel to it. These movies aren't made for US (i.e. hardcore fans), they're made for the broader market. I'm looking forward to this movie--don't know if it's going to be any good, but I'll reserve my judgement until AFTER I SEE THE FLICK!
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...on any comparison between this movie (which nobody's seen yet) and The Incredibles. First of all, one's completely computer animated while the other is mostly live action with as yet unfinished CGI effects. Any style the former has is pretty distinct and inherent in the medium, so of course you aren't going to see it aped in the latter (unlike the powers of the FF, which were absolutely aped in Incredibles). And how can you make a judgment about the FF film's style or lack thereof based on some grainy on-set photographs clearly taken out of context? Isn't a film's style a result not only of its FINISHED look and feel, but of the way the actors, director, cinematographer and editor approach and deliver the material? Judging FF's style based on what we've seen so far is like stopping somebody in the dressing room while they're putting on their skivvies and saying they have no style before seeing them fully dressed. You may get lucky and turn out to be right if you let them finish dressing and they're wearing a flannel shirt and ripped jeans, but until you see them walk out of that dressing room thinking they're all hot and ready to hit the town, you're talking out of your ass.
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I think his next FF "Review" will just have one word: "First!"
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I sat out Daredevil and Elektra and Punisher and will sit out this stinker as well.
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harry really needs to get sum pussy..i mean does anyone care about lighting in a movie? only fan-boys and nitpickers look at some photos and judge a movie when its at least a month away from release. because of that, all the brain dead losers who posted above just believe u and lots prob wont see the movie in the theatres at all.. sad for them, sad for harry. harry sounds like the type of critical anal retentive losers that effectively killed enterprise on UPN..has anyone seen UPN's fall lineup without enterprise ? truly scary....bad enuf they actually have the testicles to put a britney spears show in prime time... britney should be on the same lame ass channel that used to actually play music....aka MTV.. with the other dumb blonde bimbo (both of which id screw in a heartbeat btw)
back to my point... dont judge a movie based on photos on a fan site.. or a trailer... just because the characters arent fully using their powers on the poster ur ready to commit harry-cary...no pun intended. the movie has to promote itself and to promote itself the actors have to be somewhat visible ..especialy in the case of the sexy miss alba...as much as her sillouette would turn me on, i think id rather see her whole body...and yes..the guy that plays the human torch is liked by many female fans...i know several. so it is good to get his mug on the poster, partially flamed on...hes flamed on for good parts of the movie im sure....anyways...crank ur wank harry..relieve some pressure...u need it....or ur heads gonne explode like ur GIF pic above ..... have fun all.....go see this movie...dont listen to harry
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This movie will suck, but it is probably easy money for the studio. Worldwide distrubution + DVD will equal big profits. I won't be contributing, but that means nothing to the suits who will buy the usual coke and whores with their ill-gotten gains.
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This movie will suck, but it is probably easy money for the studio. Worldwide distrubution + DVD will equal big profits. I won't be contributing, but that means nothing to the suits who will buy the usual coke and whores with their ill-gotten gains.
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Here's hoping they use this movie as basically a setup for the characters and whatnot (like X-Men), only to come back and make a sequal that far surpasses the original (again, like X-Men). Come on, who the hell here doesn't wanna see Reed Richards talking to Uatu...followed by this crazy looking sonuvabitch that's all silver riding a surfboard, doing battle with the FF. Suddenly, the sky goes black, NY goes completely insane with panic as Galactus shows up...the Silver Surfer turns on Galactus, I dunno whatever they decide to do will probably be fine with me. Come on studio, go ahead and fuck this one up if you'd like, but make the sequal EPIC like it should be...like I said before, here's hoping...
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the pose may not be classic FF, but it's obviuosly got a reference point: http://www.comicon.com/pulse/images_2/2lm1.jpg
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its fucking awesome....the duck gets it on with a human! I fucking love it.
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May 25, 2005 4:57:31 PM CDT
"Let's see, Harry--I don't see any advertisements, no set visits
by rufus_t_firefly
Bingo, my man. Bingo.
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Nobody's seen the fucking film yet you fat ginger bitch. Shit, you're nitpicking and general whining smacks of an all out desire to see this film fail. AGENDA!!
Harry, people on this site get pissy about plants...well YOU'RE a fucking plant. You're just feeding us a line of bullshit because you haven't yet seen a preview of the film, you haven't been invited to the set and you haven't been invited into Tim Story's inner sanctum for a one and one chat where he tells you what a great site you have and how much he enjoys your fandom.
Clearly Peter Jackson and Robert Rodriguez have played you well.
It's a whole different story if a filmmaker tells you he loves the site and then grants you access all areas. This is one of the worst smear campaigns I've seen you try to mount. FUCK YOU Harry. What ever happened to just watching the film and then deciding if it's good or not? You fucking disgust me. I've been an avid reader & contributor on this site for years, I've also been a film critic/journalist for just as long and never before have you flagrantly attempted to pour shit on a film when you know nothing about it.
Considering that a lot of film fans listen to your opinion - I find that article to be a sickening abuse of your self appointed post.
Tim Story may not be Orson goddamn Wells but he's clearly paying a price for not letting you kiss his ass. Shame on you Harry Knowles. To paraphrase Bill Hicks (RIP): Suck on the black, scaley cock of Satan. Drink that black worm jism, drink it down you fucking scab. -
If there's any freaking comment in that review that drives me nuts it's THAT one. How the fuck does Harry know what a Hell's Kitchen bar looks like? His only frame of reference is probably "Daredevil" comics! When was the last time you've been in New York City, let alone Hell's Kitchen? I ate dinner in Hell's Kitchen two weeks ago and it cost my wife and I about $100! Does THAT sound like a bad part of town to you? Hell's Kitchen is pretty much ALL Yuppies and business people now! Harry, please, I implore you, take a month off from the site and just travel. See the world. Don't go to movies, read comics, or watch television. Interact. Expand your worldview. Please.
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"Same goes for Mister Fantastic. You'd think after 'The Incredibles' that they could get that right." <------ I mean, what the hell is that supposed to mean anyway?
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To be fair, this happened once before right before 'Scooby-Doo' came out. And, unfortunately, I was part of it. I guess I'm a little bit of a hypocrite as far as that goes.
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May 25, 2005 6:00:32 PM CDT
Harry has no agenda with this flick boyz and girls. The lack of
by genro
Take a look at when Avi was using AICN as his PR page - Clooney as Reed, Zellwegger as Sue, Damon as Torch...it went over like a lead balloon. Ever since that era - the unfavorable Hulk review, the Punisher dislike - Avi has kept a low profile...the guy tries to sell everyone and anyone he can, and when it doesn't work, he has no use for them. In other words, a typical producer...the time to search for an agenda is if Avi and Murphy get Iron Man moving. Murphy's bad blood should equal no favorable comments, or even a mention, by most sites save SHH...And Ribbons, what I never understood about why Ang was turned down for the FF, was that his initial interest in the project was because of his work on The Ice Storm and how the kid uses the FF as a metaphor for his own family. If that doesn't show an understanding of the characters, nothing will. I still believe FOX put the kibosh on Ang for whatever reason...the guy would have been the perfect director for Silver Surfer, IMO...
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The ironing is delicious.
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Totally agree with you that Ang understands the FF. It's just that Avi's been obsessed with this idea of a "sitcom," which, admittedly, I'm pretty sure Ang doesn't have in him/has no interest in making.
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May 25, 2005 6:13:11 PM CDT
God forbid a director have his own image...Harry started hating
by hardcorerocker
Jesus Christ, see the movie first.
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May 25, 2005 6:13:24 PM CDT
I do not get Harry's animosity here, especially concerning Alici
by bearison ford
Does Alicia Masters skin color define her character? I don't think so. Also, way to go basically calling all blind people totally incapable of looking good at all. I don't know if FF is going to be a good movie, but I have high hopes for it, and I'll definitely check it out in the theatres. Why so many of these movie sites are being so harsh on it just baffles me.
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It's a quote from "The Simpsons" by the way. And I don't have to account for anything for you, especially when you're doing the exact same thing you accuse me of with more persistence. But more importantly because I'm stepping out the door.
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better than Thunderbirds?
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And you looooooooooooooved HELLBOY. Didn't you Harry? :)
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You said he's(Ribbons) been doing this since 2003. You're the one keeping track dude. What's your malfunction? Stalk much?
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I suppose you think that everyone should post their opinion, and then put their notes away and move away from the microphone, so the next person can post their opinion, and so forth - but that no one should ever discuss or comment on anything that is said, because that's "rude" and "makes people feel unwelcome". Nice communication model you picked up in kindergarten - what was it, last year? Don't post an opinion if you don't want other people to comment on it. Fuck you and your fucking feelings.
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I willfully retract my comment earlier.
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Nobody's buying the "Harry's slamming it 'cause he wasn't invited to the set" line, guys. The word's out, the movie sucks... game over. Fox, you FUCKED UP and you'd be well advised to put your effort into damage control in the real media. It's a bit late to have the plants out attempting Internet-spin on the message boards, where this turd was doomed from day one.
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Seems like you have all the facts on Ribbons' talk back happenings. When is the book due out? :)
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He did, after all, give a positive review to Godzilla AND Exorcist:The Beginning...
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May 25, 2005 9:37:06 PM CDT
I think it's already established that Harry's opinions are flawe
by bearison ford
give me a break. and WoodMan, face it, a lot of the people posting here aren't plants. Some of us actually think this could be a good flick. Whether or not we're correct, who knows, but I dunno, I think people have been unfairly ripping on this one.
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I'm not sure there is an answer to your question, autoMatisse, except for "nobody, myself included." Just because I call bullshit when I disagree with people doesn't mean I think I'm the TalkBack "moderator;" didn't realize that people's opinions were so sacred that they weren't allowed to be disagreed with or at the very least questioned. And, excepting the fact that opinions on other people's are opinions into themselves, I post my own "opinions" on stuff all the time. Now leave me alone, you weirdo.
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Cause I sure as hell anit paying for this!
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Ok, that was really cheezy, but so what. I'm really low on this board but I'm sure someone cares. Here it is: Everyone who is hating on this movie is so full of shit, as made apparent by others already. Here's why: First, I'm sick of hearing about the THING and how he looks like shit and this guy doesn't look like the one issue where I saw an artist show his interpretation of the character, blah blah blah. And if the Thing was CGI, we would be hearing this: "The Thing looks like a fucking orange Shrek, should've been more like HEllboy, cause that worked"
About the Budget: What the Fuck looks Low Budget about this movie? The CGI? The Explosions? The Car Crashes? I don't get it, it looks GREAT given the tricky material. I even heard early on someone bitch about how "Dr.Doom looks like shit" HE LOOKS JUST LIKE THE FUCKING COMIC!!!! That's what you want isn't it? You retard! Point Blank: Even if they did everything you say now that you'd want this movie to be, You'd bitch about it cause you know exactly how to make a great movie don't you? You geeky piece of shit. Sorry about the lengthy piece but FUck! Can I get an Amen? -
I'm not sure there's an answer to your question "who *exactly* made you AICN TalkBack moderator" because I'm NOT the AICN TalkBack moderator. That's what I meant when I said that. I'm not "feigning innocence," you psycho; that I question other people's opinions (and will dissect their posts at times) is not up for debate, I just don't understand what your hang-up with it is. Also, it's not like I'm the only one who does it; ever see people number quoted sections of other people's posts and respond in order? Jesus Christ, you're calling me the thought police and yet here you are, spouting out slightly disturbing evangelical mumbo-jumbo about my "behavior" which I didn't even think anybody cared enough to track for almost two years. By the way, I've been here since 2001. Still doesn't make the fact that you've had your eye on me (or that you won't leave me alone) any less creepy. You're like that trucker in 'Joy Ride.'
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I'm not overly impressed with the look of The Thing, though I'm sure they'll add some extra stuff in post-production. Aside from that I don't think this movie is going to make a killing at the box office. Well at least that makes it more likely that Michael Chiklis will keep doing The Shield which is easily the best show on television right now.
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I have no hope for this movie now...I can't believe those pics Harry has shown. Very poor production values with filmakers who do not give a damm for the material. I am not going to nit-pick on all the obvious reasons why this movie looks pure dog-shit.
But I am not surprised, this movie looks like VOMIT, the effects look terrible, Alicia Masters is a joke, fuck this shit..I will rather sneak into this movie and not pay one dime for this travesty.
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May 26, 2005 3:51:13 AM CDT
The Ff has been hated on since the director was announced. i don
by the founder
Every since Tim Story was got the gig as the director, its been all kinds of hate and attacks on this movie. I won't even go into all the black and hiphop comments. Next matthew vaughan is announced as director of x3, and very little negativity is said. Both Story and Vaughan are new directors, both seem to have a couple of films on the books, and yest Story is trashed. I've heard good things about Layer Cake, so I'll give Vaughan a chance. Story's had Barbershop, which was a successful film and got good reviews, but because it was a mostly black cast and labled a black film the geeks on this site calls it garbage and most have never seen it. The real reason a lot of this hate is on F4 is because Story is black.
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May 26, 2005 3:58:52 AM CDT
Reed frozen by Doom and captured? What is harry smokin, that loo
by the founder
I don't know if the the F4 will be good, but i have my reservations. some things look good, and some looks terriable. I'll see it. harry's attacks are just plain illogical. The Bar doesn't look like a Hell's Kitchen bar? what the devil kind of comment is that? Alicia is to fixed uped for a blind chick? harry know the real reason is that she's black. I actually had a blind neighbor when i was a kid, and that women never looked bad, she was always done up like any other attractive women, which she was. I don't know what's harry's beef, but it's so obvious that he has an agenda. his hatred goes way beyond not liking a film.
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May 26, 2005 6:01:43 AM CDT
Harry, what makes MSJ's Daredevil so superior to Tim Story's FF?
by rant breath
It's hard to defend your criticism when you attack one marvel film for being tacky and you give one of the tackiest of current superhero movies a free ride. How is Kerry Washington miscast as Alicia Masters, but Jenifer Garner is perfect as Elektra? Excuse me? Tim Story's Hell's Kitchen is unrealistic but MSJ California Studio parking lot is pitch perfect as a Hell's Kitchen backdrop? So far FF is looking to be more imaginative and engaging than Daredrivel with it's annoying nu-metal score and cheesy fight scenes(playground fight, sandbags?)! You attack every minor detail of Fantastic Four, but praise a soulless film like Daredevil as a near-perfect adaptation. What gives? It's ok to be wrong, but dont be a fucking hypocrite.
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How about an Elektra and Sue Storm vs. Jean Grey and Storm tag team nude jello wrestling match? 'Cause Elektra and FF may suck ass, but Jennifer Garner and Jessica Alba look smoking hot in the roles.
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Instead Of Freezing Reed, Couldn't Doom Just Turn Him Into A Statue With Liquid Titanium Steel?! Just Wondering
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May 26, 2005 8:41:33 AM CDT
Ah, this is funny - Harry doesn't like a film, so off go the acc
by salvatoregravano
If Harry liked it, a crowd of others (or, more likely, the same individuals) would have been twirling about his "selling out for a visit to the set" and "only promoting it because he's friends with the director/producer/caterer/dolly grip/whathehellisagrip"...
It's actually refreshing to find out that there still are bad-looking films that Harry openly dislikes. What was the last awful film he criticized? "The Punisheremake", wasn't it? -
May 26, 2005 8:50:48 AM CDT
And this one's even funnier: someone saying "Harry hates X becau
by salvatoregravano
I thought such hilarious statements were considered a funny cliche even in your US, but apparently they are not! It's the subject of many jokes everywhere else. And everyone knows that Harry only hates X because X is blue and comes from Southern Klatch.
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Tim Story did Barbershop (comedy) and TAXI, one of the worst action/comedies in recent memory. Vaughn did Layer Cake. There's your difference. I don't recall anyone saying the Hughes Bros. couldn't do From Hell because of their blackness. As for FF, I've said it before..the ONLY way to separate this superhero group from others, would be to make it on a planetary level - SPACE - MR. NORIN RADD - GALACTUS.
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i wanna know what was so bad about Barbershp? It was a good film, that made over 200 million, and considering what it cost to make, it was a huge hit. Will Layer Cake make this much? Who knows, but from a few reviews, and their's not that many, but all agree that it's a good film. Their are also different types good. Not one reviewer praised layer Cake as a classic film, but all seem to agree that it was entertaining, and that vaughan can appear to handle a large cast. The point i raised is what's the difference between him a Story? Both have made less then 5 films bwtween the both of them. I stand by my comments. People went crazy more so cause of Story's skin color as opposed to his actual expierence, hence all the black and hiphop comments that was said, especially on this site.
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and i liked ep 3.
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"Don't criticize the movie until you see it".
The ENTIRE point of movie marketing, from production photos, interviews, sneak peaks, tv spots, etc.,etc., etc., is to get people to have a favorable opinion of the movie. To entice people to WANT to see the film. If the marketing backfires and instead of causing anticipation, it causes disgust or disinterest, don't blame the consumers with that opinion. And for gods sake don't say crap like "see the movie first".
First, it gives the impression that the millions in marketing spent on films is not needed, since the sheep that is the moviegoer will drop their money down regardless. And second, if you go see the movie before arriving at an opinion, it's already too late. You've given them your money. They don't care what you think after they have your money. "the movie sucked." "yeah, well it made XXX million bank, so we did something right."
Then the sequel comes out with the same director, production, and/or vision. We don't need that.
Their job is to make us want to see the movie. In my case, there is at least 8 reasons i'm will not spend my money on it. No, Alicia Masters is not one of them. -
bashing a movie before it comes out because the studio didn't send him free goodies
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Taxi vs Layer Cake.
Nuff said.
Listen, i'm black. My first reaction when i heard Story got FF was, "goddammit!" I'm sorry, but an Ice Cube vehicle followed by the attrocious Taxi doesn't give me any faith in the mans ability to deliver a genre film of this magnitude. X-men/Spider-Man may be more popular, but the FF is the granddaddy of marvel superheroes. It deserves more than a hail mary choice of a director.
Maybe story will pull something extraordinary out of his ass. Every single thing i have seen and read about the production says otherwise. From casting, the heinous changing of Dooms background, to the disappointing predestrian...yes, that's the word, predestrian look of the film. If not totally trash the film looks nondescript. As it stands, since i'm a comic fan, and only because of this, i'll wait to see what critics i trust have to say before i spend my money on it.
It's just sad that i have no enthusiasm for a film i should be salivating over. Hell, at least Electras marketing tricked me into it. -
...and in this case it isnt. Here Harry has gone into a rant with pathetic complaints over pics that are SCANNED from a book.
The Bar complaint has already been shot down, Alicia looking too good doesn't even need to be shot down the complaint is so stupid and then he complains also about a poster not looking like the comics...When that poster is in fact a direct lift off an FF comic...
So are these valid complaints? Are they fuck. -
I don't believe i mentioned harry's complaints as being valid. In fact, i myself shot down his Alicia Masters rant and went on to tell him making bad critiques tend to invalidate valid ones for people looking for easy rebuttals.
Go look. -
May 26, 2005 10:48:02 AM CDT
In that last pic, why is Dr. Doom menacing Jon Stewart?
by crimson dynamo
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What a bunch of whiny, nitpicky fanboy scum you all are.
GO watch the fucking movie before you kibbitz..... -
Harry-Defenders, it's not that we're jumping on the Orange One because he's bashing this flick--he's been bashing this flick from day one because it's not HIS version of it. I've said it before, there was NO WAY IN HELL that it was EVER going to have a 1960's Lee-Kirby feel to it. The whole reason why Marvel launched "Ultimate FF" was to give Fox a template for the movie. Secondly, I call Harry a shill because he's given positive reviews to far worse-looking movies than this, most notably ARMAGEDDON and, recently, SIN CITY (yes, the movie sucked!). Third, Harry's an absolutely idiot for criticizing that it "doesn't look like" New York when he probably hasn't even BEEN here in years, if ever. Believe it or not, NYC has changed A LOT in the forty-someodd years since FF #1 came out. Hell's Kitchen isn't the pit that Daredevil made it out to be, it's a cute trendy-looking, Yuppie-drawing section of the City now (thanks to Mayor Guiliani). A fourth, that comment about how "blind people don't wear make-up" is absolutely ridiculous and asinine on so many levels! If Harry's criticisim were valid, I would keep my mouth shut, but it's a temper tantrum.
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Trying to bash a movie based entirely on a few out-of-context photos is just idiotic. My hopes for this movie aren't that high either, but at least I'm willing to actually see the movie BEFORE I come to a conclusion about it.
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May 26, 2005 11:32:39 AM CDT
Thankfully, harry only represents the voice of geekdom and not t
by warpspasm
This'll make tons of cash, people all over the world love the fantastic four. so, a coupla thousand geeks don't like the thing suit.
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....HAHAHAHAHA! Wow. I would so love that to be true, but that's a laughable statement. Spider-Man is an international icon. Superman is so much of an icon he is probably known by shoeless third world kids making sneakers in sweatshops. The FF are known by our geek foriegn counterparts. This movie is NOT going to make bank on it's name alone. It's gonna have to actually be good. Spider-Man was making bank regardless of its quality. It was more than successful because it was actually good. The Hulk was successful because everyone knows the Hulk from tv and cartoons. It didn't break bank because it wasn't well recieved. When Superman is released, it's a qauranteed hit regardless of its quality. The FF doesn't have that luxury.
Star Wars is out. Batman is soon to follow. Hell, Mr. and Mrs. smith looks like a blockbuster. This summer has a lot of money makers on its hands. The FF has to be more than average to succeed. -
May 26, 2005 12:15:39 PM CDT
actually, Anakinsdiapers... I believe PEDESTRIAN is the word you
by tv casualty
... I don't know what the hell PREDESTRIAN means. And I just went back and watched the trailers again, and I say fuck the naysayers. This won't be classic drama, but it will be fun. FF4 was never the high drama that X-Men or Spider-Man had, it started out as fun, and that's what this will be.
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May 26, 2005 12:17:22 PM CDT
"Well I think I liked this movie a lot better...WHEN IT WAS CALL
by voice o. reason
That comment is right up there with "Gandalf is just a clone of Obi-Wan in Episode 4" in its ignorance.
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... my wife, who's pretty much the anti-geek (only watches documentaries,saw the original trilogy 2 years ago FOR THE FIRST TIME, has no interest in sci-fi and constantly mocks my dvd/video game/comics collection) has heard of it, so it must be SOMETHING of a household name. But needless to say, I don't think that matters. I think it'll do well because it looks enjoyable for a relatively diverse demgraphic.
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Hulk SMASH $132,177,234 domestic and
$113,107,712 overseas. Production budget was $137,000,000 with $35,000,000 in promo. By any standards still a tidy profit.
And a damn fine Superhero Movie as well... -
May 26, 2005 12:37:31 PM CDT
SalvatoreGravano, AnakinsDiapers, TVCASUALTY, Voice O. Reason
by ribbons
I wanna know, who *exactly* made you all AICN TalkBack moderators? Huh? Huh?! Tell me and I'll leave you alone. TELL ME AND I'LL LEAVE YOU ALONE!!!
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..for the mispelled word.
Now, annoying movie defense #5: "it doesn't have to be shakespear...". Why can't a film just be well made. Why can't an action film, sci-fi, western, etc., be judged and critiqued on how well it's made without getting the self deprecating rebutt, "it's not supposed to be shakespear", or words to that affect? I can apply that absurd logic to Street Fighter: the movie.
Listen, Posse and Silverado are both westerns, but one is tripe and the other is a well made honest to goodness classic.
My expectations for the FF weren't "this better win at the Oscars". My expectations were, "i hope it's well made and true to the characters". And i'm sorry, but "fun" is not diametrically opposed to dramatic, engaging, and well made. In it's good runs, the comic succeeded in all of those qualities. Hell, the bread and butter of Stan and Jacks original run was that the FF wasn't just fun like any other run of the mill super heroes. They had, to steal the run on joke of the 24 thread, gravitas. -
Apparently, the same person who made me a moderator appointed you an ass.
It's a talkback and we're having a debate. Join in or STFU. -
an unreleased movie and determine that it sucks based on a few still.
Wow, powers of deduction and reason like that put you on par with Sherlock Holmes. You should get a job searching for non-existant weapons of mass destrution next.
Bush LOVES to hire morons. -
Not by Hollywood standards, general rule of thumb is a film has to make back at least twice what it cost for the studio to turn on a profit on it
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are starting to smell like crap.
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May 26, 2005 1:50:00 PM CDT
That joke was a bit too inside for Anakinsdiapers, Ribbons.
by fluffyunbound
Does it suck to be too cool for the room?
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tells me i now have enough poo to fling at idiots.
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Harry you fat fuck. Stop being disingenuous. Don't trash this movie under false pretenses. A yuppie bar? Yeah, the dyed blond biker whore, and the three 60 year olds on the left side of the picture look just like young urban professionals. You are a fucking tool. What did you expect, a personal visit from Jessica Alba? Maybe they can work you into the sequel as the planet Galactus eats. Dopey red headed jellyfish.
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if only this talkback were as stretched as your ass.
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Haven't you watched "Predator"? When not swinging from vines, he was walking all the time.
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Blind chicks look hot in movies all the time. You're being cunty because the chick is a sista and you're too fucking cowardly to say it.
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...automatically gets 3 stars *** !!
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Um, Harry, ever heard of these folks you can go to and PAY to make your hair and/or make-up? You know? Coiffeurs, make-up artists etc? Did any blind person ever catch you the wrong way that you have to suggest they're all butt ugly? I mean it's not like they usually have 20h workdays that they wouldn't have the time to have someone take care of their appearance.
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May 26, 2005 5:50:51 PM CDT
I hope there is a Fantastic Flop panel at the San Diego Comic Co
by ivan_mtl
... so I can ask the people responsible for this train wreck what they were thinking. ... smells like a huge turd to me. Roger Corman made a better Fantastic Four movie with 1/100th of this piece of shit's budget.
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So, I don't know whether Harry's pissed cause Alicia Masters isn't some fair-skinned, red-headed maiden. MAYBE he's being racist, maybe not. It's not as easy a thing to make out as some people claim though. First of all, the fact that he mentioned Alicia Witt or Allison Hannigan at all is a little suspicious. Why would they be a better choice for Alicia Masters if your thing is her makeup? Second of all, he called her "fly." If I had to guess, I'd say he is a little miffed that they cast someone not white to play Alicia Masters; don't know why he thinks they did it to "hippen up" the joint; it was actually something that Tim Story insisted upon.
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You don't have to be a moderator to know moronic reasoning when you see it. Sure, maybe the movie will suck, but nobody knows for sure until the see it. Declaring something is god-awful based on incomplete information is grounds for being told you're being stupid.
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is more exciting than this FF movie :) BTW auto? Can I get an autograph with that book? Tanks in advance........toodles
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At this point in the process, it was obvious that Catwoman would suck. At this point in the process, it was obvious that Van Helsing would suck. Since those evaluations turned out to be correct, why is it such a stretch to accept the obvious implications of the material available so far on FF? The studio has the opportunity to try to control the information that reaches the internet. If what we've seen before is the best material available, if this is what they want to TEASE us with, can we not conclude [since it all sucks and has sucked] that this means that the movie itself will suck? I mean, come on - it's like saying that you can't evaluation "Carrot Top starring in Chairman of the Board" just by seeing the trailer or the picture on the DVD box. Of course you can.
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and saying that Harry, while not necessarily GENERALLY an idiot, is BEING an idiot as it comes to Fantastic Four. The trailer hasn't ecited me that much, but it looks like FF could be a fun time at the movies. And Harry HAS been bashing this movie since Day One. Seriously, complaining because the blind lady doesn't have lipstick badly scrawled across her face? Bashing because THE THING IS IN THE BACK ON THE POSTER??? Are you serious?
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I'll watch it if invisible bitch puts on a pair a stockings while she's invisible, "that's hot" lol
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I too believe it's probably going to be on the sucky side, but the stuff Harry is complaining about is ridonculous, right down to the "One-Sheet 101" at the end of the article. While I agree that his idea probably would have been cooler, does anyone really think that it would make a difference to people who aren't familiar with the Fantastic Four? They see their powers, register that it's a superhero movie, and move on. Better at least to play up the stars' mugs on the off-chance that someone goes because of that if you ask me. Plus it's not like these posters were ever in danger of being collected and hung up on college dorm room walls, and I don't think they would be in either case, so really, what's the point besides to nitpick?
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Hey guys. It's really great to have an open mind to all that is presented to you. I am one who fails to see a certain silver lining that is the FF's black cloud. I wish I could. I went to see Hitchhiker's Guide and I was totally dissappointed and I tried to see it as just a movie. Anyway, I'm talking too long, my point is that this is Harry's house. If he wants to say a movie sucks that's his right (I just happen to agree with him). We can't critisize him for not having the open mind of some of our more "enlightened" talkback memmbers. We should just throw in our vote for the side of the arguement that is raised.
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As far as I'm aware, nobody's telling Harry he's not allowed to say what he wants, O "Enlightened" One. I am pretty sure that people have a right to disagree with him though. By the way, there's a difference between a closed mind and a warpath. I'd say Harry's "approach" to this film is closer to the latter.
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I stick up for the Big Red guy more often than not, AND I think this movie looks lame (as is the case with a lot of people who you neglected to mention), so if I think he's being ridiculous here that should tell you something.
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This movie looks fantastic! Julian McMahon ROCKS!!!
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Why do superheroes dress in costumes? What's with the retro-fitted speed skater outfits these clowns are always running around in? I just can't get behind a hero who dresses up in skin-tight outfits. It's gay. Plain old gay. If you're a superhero, wouldn't you want to wear something comfortable? Christ, even Ninjas wear stuff with a little room. And don't give me that crap about needing to be able to move. The only superhero who has an excuse to dress all fruity is Superman, who's clothes are from krypton. (Don't get me started on the underwear on the outside thing, though). As for Batman... Why would he need to actually dress like a bat? Why not call himself the batman, act like a bat, but just wear some dark trousers and a trenchcoat. I know they need to maintain a secret identity (or do they), but that doesn't mean they have to play dress-up. You don't see Hulk or Thing for that matter slipping into spandex. Of course with female superheroes it's different. We want to see the T&A. Sure that's sexist, but comics are, in general, adolescent wish-fulfillment fantasies anyway.
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May 27, 2005 9:55:02 AM CDT
Actually, Batman makes a certain amount of sense, for two reason
by fluffyunbound
First, he maintains a secret identity. That means he has to cover his face. Second, he relies at least in part on intimidation. The bat costume is so bizarre that it acts as a psychological weapon. OTOH, the Fantastic Four don't have secret identities, and their costumes don't have any apparent purpose other than advertising - kind of like the employees at a McDonald's or a Hooter's all wearing a uniform. Or maybe it's like those funny sports jackets the guys at the Chicago Board of Trade wear - to make it easy to pick out friend from foe at a glance in a melee.
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May 27, 2005 11:32:35 AM CDT
sounds like somebody is pissed that they didn't get a consulting
by screamingpenis
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May 27, 2005 12:35:57 PM CDT
this talkback is fucking hysterical... and Anakinsdiapers...
by tv casualty
you ARE saying that Silverado is the classic, right? Not Posse? RIGHT?! Oh, God, this talkback is killing me.
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Chomping on popcorn and supersized coke.
All this hot air for nothing. -
...just a thought.
...Pan out. -
I think the "long underwear" look goes back to the old-time bodystockings that wrestlers, boxers and other strong-man types like circus performers used to wear in the days when it was considered inappropriate for a man to be seen in public display shirtless or in trunks... Pan out.
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Posse is to Silverado is akin to what Steel is to Superman and what the FF will be to Spider-Man 2.
It's good odds im right folks. -
Listen here, you... not only do I think Spider-Man is a better character than most of DC figures, but that has nothing to do with my contempt for your stupid franchise "camp" attitude. The success of one only helps the success of the other. The failure of one only hurts the success of the other. They're all apples to the general public. Got it, fucko? If Marvel movies die out, DC will, in all likelihood, be right behind them. So if you wanna see your "classic" characters like Wonder Woman and Aquaman and Plastic Man and Martian Manhunter realized, my recommendation is not to root for Marvel films to disappear.
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I've see the teasers & the trailers. I saw the footage of Stan Lee on set over at Yahoo Movies. Apart from some issues with the appearance of Dr Doom, I was content. Hell, the trailer in front of Sith last week had me positively stoked - I'm even reading Vol 1 of Marvel's "Essential Fantastic Four" to get in the mood & remind myself of all those fondly remembered Kirby classics that hopefully will be the foundation for the imagery in the movie - like Ditko was in Spider-Man...but I can't get over the snippets I've seen of Dr Doom. Here he is, Marvel's #1 villain ..in my opinion, the greatest comicbook villain of all time. Even The Joker has to take a back seat to this guy...and they've changed the costume so that he looks like a skinny C-3PO in green Monk clothes, they've changed the origin. I'm not happy. On the other hand...you've GOTTA love the way the Torch looks when he's flying. All in all, still worth a viewing I think. I'll be there anyway.
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I agree.
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Chill!
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What are you, crazy?! Where does that leave 'Daredevil?' ************ I disagree, but that list is pretty much the cream of the crop, satire included (unfortunately, the closest we'll probably come to one of those is 'Scary Movie 4')
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SUPERMAN is gonna kick the ass of FANTASTIC FOUR! The cold-hearted mega-corporation that I give MY money to is better than the cold-hearted mega-corporation YOU give YOUR money to!!!!!
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No, I don't want a 'Namor' movie. God no. But I think that other superhero movies can make for good movies, potentially, although I'd be hard pressed to find many others that did.
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Namor wasn't even interesting in the comics!
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I love how people take things out of context before they've seen the final product. You're making judgements on the looks of costume & makeup, and you haven't seen the fucking movie yet! I love how they cast a black woman as Alicia. Reed on the chair in the frosty makeup could be part of a VFX sequence. OF COURSE the Torch is partly aflame, as they do want the tweenies to come see him in the film! Boy, I sure love how you are such a total "armchair analyst", before the fact. Just shut the fuck up until the movie comes out. THEN if it sucks, then you can stand up and make all the judgemental comments you want. Until then, you seem to be a moron when you proclaim that you know everything before it's finished.
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Harry, maybe you should give the flick a chance before you slam it. It can't be all that bad. They have the look down and while the first trailer wasn't all that impressive, the newest one to be out actually left me cautiously optimistic. I say, wait until you have seen the movie, THEN knock it if you hate it. I want this movie to be awesome. I really do.
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