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Daffodil 11 blooms with a BATMAN BEGINS review!
SPOILER ALERT !!
Hey folks, Harry here... This is from someone that works in the film biz, but not on this production or the associated companies. SO... here ya go, sounds like they've made a helluva flick - hope to hell this reviewer is right. Sure would be sweet!
hi Harry,
First time I've done this so on with it I suppose.
Caught BATMAN BEGINS the other day, not long after seeing EPISODE 3, and am very pleased to say that if these two film are indicative of the remainder of the US summer season, we are in for one hell of a treat. For those playing at home, HITCHHIKERS was little more than a lightly entertaining canapé and we'll simply forget GLADIATOR 2 and xXx-squared ever happened...
Clearly coming from the Bryan Singer school of super-hero (re)invention, Christopher Nolan's BEGINS presses the worlds biggest Refresh button and allows it's audience to simply forget those mistakes of the past, courtesy of one J. Schumacher.
Working with a tight, dramatic and occasionally fun script co-written with David S Goyer, Nolan manages his successful reinvention by grounding his Gotham in a world of plausibility. Where prior BATMAN films forced viewers to accept the gadgets, car and villains as they are presented on screen, generally with little exposition, BEGINS allows the viewer to enjoy the possibility of a vigilante protecting the night by going a long way to instil credibility and justification to almost the entire film. This doesn't constrict the limitations of the film but allows it to expand by sweeping the audience along with it rather than being left behind saying, "hold on, how did Bruce Wayne manage to manufacture X without anyone asking questions...?"
Performances across the board are great. Stand-outs are a winning, cheeky performance by the now Oscar-knighted Morgan Freeman, a nicely understated and very likable Gary Oldman and, with all due respect to Michael Gough, Michael Caine has become, quite simply, the best-ever Alfred. Liam Neeson, Katie Holmes and Tom Wilkinson are also strong in their roles, while the rest of recognisable Hollywood (Rutger Hauer, Ken Watanabe, Linus Roache, the bad guy from THE SAINT) all pop to lesser and greater degrees and fill out the supporting cast nicely.
In the black suit, Christian Bale does a solid job, best personifying reluctant-Billionaire Wayne when confronted by an enemy at a birthday party and having to force invited guests to leave. While I have admired the skill of Bale since the grossly-overlooked EMPIRE OF THE SUN, I am afraid for me that he was just so good in AMERICAN PSYCHO that that performance spilled over into this film. This is not to say that this is a bad thing, in fact the Bateman (whoa, only 1 letter difference, bizarre) persona seems to suit the cocky Wayne quite well, particularly when Wayne undertakes public misbehaviour in an effort to ensure that people presume that Wayne and Batman are two very different characters. While popular opinion will eventually decide, Goyer & Nolan's script goes a long way in making Bale possibly the best big-screen Batman to-date.
Gotham, the Batmobile, the suit and the gadgets all come together very successfully in this film. Where Burton was limited by the nature of special effects in 1989, Nolan has embraced the possibilities of photo-real effects in BEGINS and managed to create a multi-layered, believable Gotham City. A world away from Schumacher's faux-Versace rooftops, Gotham here (becomes) a decaying, steaming labyrinth of shanty-towns, silver skyscrapers and waterfront industria. The batmobile is at once cool and a lot of fun to watch. I was unconvinced when I saw those 1st pictures, but this machine delivers in a way that renders the previous cars preposterous. The origins of all the Bat-gadgets, as presented by Freeman, allows greater plausibility in the overall picture. Seeing Wayne work with Alfred to put together the bat-suit is a lot of fun, generating some of the film's biggest laughs.
The less you know about the plot, the better. Seamlessly integrating flash-backs with present day, we get to experience Bruce's childhood tragedy with an emotional resonance unseen in prior pictures. Only now do we understand why Bruce felt that he killed his parents, and the spoiled rich-kid self-torture that he gets into, simply to punish himself, leads to his transformation into The Bat perfectly.
This is a very dark, adult picture. The abrasive nature of the editing, both film and sound, recalls last year's BOURNE SUPREMACY in places, and it goes along way toward amping up the thrills. The pic's various set-pieces should have viewers on the edge of their seats, and some of the Scarecrow's hallucinogenic visions will really creep you out.
BATMAN BEGINS is to Batman what EPISODE 3 was to STAR WARS: The long awaited PG-13 version fans have always desired. An unequalled cast, against-type yet visionary director and a script that suggests Goyer is destined for far greater things than his so-far B-grade filmography allow this film to deliver in exciting new ways, raising the bar for all future super-hero pictures. If this is the "new" DC (the snazzy new logo at the front of the film suggests that this is a serious retort to Marvel's uber-successful SPIDER-MAN franchise), then bring on SUPES, WONDERWOMAN (sans Sandy B, please!) and THE FLASH.
BATMAN BEGINS will surely be remembered as one of this year's most exciting and best blockbuster films.
Daffodil 11
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Somebody had to say it.
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That's right, bitches!
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Sounds like an ad to me from the Warners themselves
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PPPPPPPPLLAAAAAAAAAAAANT!!
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VADER: PPPPPPPPLLAAAAAAAAAAAANT!!
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anyway, I'm mildly enthused about this, but I've also read the script, which tempered my potential excitement.
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actually
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...even if this guy is a plant
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Laws yes!
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I like that they seem to be taking a cue from the original Detective Comics version of Bats, but I don't want this to be bogged down in TOO much realism either.
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May 24, 2005 10:43:20 AM CDT
He's not a plant, he's a Goyer lover - and after Blade Trinity,
by genro
The guy KILLED a franchise because he decided to write and direct against what he helped established. It does not bode well for The Flash.
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May 24, 2005 10:43:51 AM CDT
This guy majorly sets himself up for criticism by comparing it t
by george newman
I loved Ep. 3, but dang, I can see the hate that's about to come down on this man from a mile away. Plant, or no.
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Gimme a shout-out
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Really looking forward to seeing Bale strut his stuff.. and if they can pull this one out of the hat, Superman Returns is going to be fantastic. In fact, here's a trailer:
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...but also the now inevitable "LOTR was way better!" debate that will wash over us like an angry sea. Anyway, Episode 3 was great and I believe Batman will be too. The trailer looked really good, and I think the focus on his origin will make things easier for naysayers or people that aren't all that keen on the idea of "superheros". Nice review. Nothing to indicate a plant, except that he liked the film. Can we not like things now? Must we find something to hate/criticise in everything?
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yes, I will go see it, I hope it is good, but, I am very dispassionate about the whole thing,I love the Batman universe, but I have been burnt so many times.
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...was a good film on it's own but an average star wars film, hopefully lucas will add a scene of samuel l. repeatedly kicking the emporer in the nuts in a directors cut, possibly shouting "TAE BO" with each and every kick, that would make up for a lack of Han Solo from the prequels for me
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...knew we would all cry "Plant!" Hence, the use of the vegetable-based moniker? But does that mean he knows he's a plant and is proud of it or that he is mocking the very notion of the plant review and, therefore, can be trusted? Too many possible motives... can't... focus... on... review! Seriously, though, it sounds like it could be decent whether this guy's on WB's payroll or not.
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You're kidding right? The Bourne Supremacy was the worst edited film I've ever had the misfortune of sitting through. If this is edited like that, then count me out.
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I don't know. I love the Batman comic, but they will never capture the comic feel like they did with Spider-Man. It just seems to me that a dark and brooding super hero is SOOOOOOO 1990s. I can't wait till Superman though.
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Bless my bark. Trees speak.
Plant. Yes I say. PLANT.
the giveaway was the total lack of enthusiasm in the writing. The lack of first person takes on the film. the total battered woman syndrome of unquestionable devotion and love towards the work. Nothing bothered you? Nothing was less than great? Who did you see this with? What color were their eyes?Did your feet stick to the floor? Was the popcorn stale? Do you have any, ANY sense of humor? -
Daffodil 11 has incited my skepticism. Her use of phrases like, "if these two film are indicative of the remainder of the US summer season, we are in for one hell of a treat," and, "BATMAN BEGINS will surely be remembered as one of this year's most exciting and best blockbuster films," I'm thinking Daffodil 11 is either a shill, a robot, or some combination of both. I appreciate the fact Daffodil 11 is doing her best to please her industry overlord, but I think I'll wait for a real review.
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An invisible jet? Check. A lasso that makes criminals tell the truth? Check. Golden gauntlets that deflect bullets. Check. All the makings of a bomb of epic (i.e. Catwoman-like) proportions. WHY they want to make WW into a film I'll never know.
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If it is a plant, they're getting smarter. It used to be, plants would throw in a typo here and there just to try to throw you off the scent. But this guy makes it seem like butchering the English language comes naturally to him.
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"BATMAN BEGINS will surely be remembered as one of this year's most exciting and best blockbuster films." You know, I thought that the studios had learned how to make a planted review look real. Bad spelling, avoiding industry phrases and buzz words. But I guess I was wrong. Maybe they figure they shouldn't bother hiding it anymore, eh?
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Evidence of plantlike behaviour - the mention that it's the PG-13 Batman that fans have always wanted to see, the reassurance about the all-terrain Batmobile and the so far unimpressive-looking Scarecrow, the reassurance about Goyer (I mean, what the fuck WAS Blade 3??), the fact that it says 'the less you know about the plot the better', the marketing talk at the beginning saying that BB and Episode 3 are two summer big-hitters. It's a fact that people act like sheep when it comes to movies. Being burned twice by the Phantom Menace and AOTC doesn't stop people seeing Episode 3 once Lucasfilm's marketing campaign kicks in. If someone tells you this movie is a big hitter then it makes you think you've got to see it or feel left out. Anyway, I am looking forward to Batman Begins, but it's still a shit title, as is Superman Returns.
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Obviously not or you'd never ask such a ridiculously stupid question. Wonder Woman is uberfuckinghotness, mang. And while her "lasso" (wtf) is in fact a golden LARIAT of truth, her bracelets (not gauntlets) are silver. And who wouldn't want to be tied up by the amazon princess? Christ, jimmy_009. Cut the girl some slack.
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No REAL reviewer is allowed to legitimately love a film here. It's unpossible!
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You damn right!! Most overlooked hero in the DC universe. 'Bout time they brought him into the limelight. Only being that can outrun Big Blue; not to mention vibrate through walls, travel through time (with or without help), lay out 21,000 punches a minute...
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he can talk to fishes, goddamn that's impressive
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I'd hate to see this plant whither and die. Also, the most overlooked hero in the DC Universe for movie reinvention is actually Adam Strange. Yes his suit is completely laughable, but that didn't stop Singer this time around.
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Maybe I'm just too partial to the Burton films, but I'm trying to look forward to this film and hope it does good, but at the same time, I feel like I want it to not be as great as some bat-fans swear it'll be(without the benefit of, you know, SEEING IT!). Maybe Batman's just been done so many times in live action, I've ceased to care whether or not a new film could be better than what's come before. But as far this review, it does have a lot of red flags, the hyperbole and the industry buzzwords. And, I don't know about you, but when a review says, "the less you know about the plot, the better," that doesn't sit well with me! The review just reads too much like a fluff piece rather than a natural representation of the reviewers opinion of the film.
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Clearly a plant, but I'm still excited for this film. Batman 4 Lyfe.
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"If they wanted my money they would have made a Trilogy out of YEAR ONE/KILLING JOKE/DARK KNIGHT RETURNS and do it black and white ala Sin City and make it R-Rated."
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They would have made an origin story that fills in the gaps in the comic and done it in muted earth tones a la "Insomnia" and make it using a director who's good at making dramas that put morally-ambiguous protagonists in somewhat unbelievable situations. FUCK IT why not just hire Nolan? Oh wait, they did.
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Oh no! Someone liked the movie... they must be a plant.
Stop bitching and just wait for the film people, fucking hell! It's not like lives will be lost if it ain't that good.
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So why do people act like that rating (or ANY movie's rating) means shit about quality? Hell, it hardly means anything about content since it's all so subjective. And yeah, this guy manages to sound like a plant anyway. Hope the movie delivers either way though, be this a plant or just a guy with an opinion.
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May 24, 2005 12:20:03 PM CDT
No it wasn't a robot or a Java script that wrote that review. It
by i dunno
...a marketing major. Damn, I wish I had the courage to blow enough guys to get paid to write shit like that. These studios have no shame. They figure if even 25% of the people who read this shit buy into it that it'll be worth the cost of hiring clueless, souless salespeople to write fake "reviews" to submit to goofy movie web sites. The PG-13 movie we've been waiting for? I haven't been waiting for another Batman movie. It's been done, campy in the 60's, well done in the 80's and early 90's, badly in the mid 90's and horribly in 1997. I guarantee it's not going to have a better actor to play the role as Michael Keaton, a better director than Tim Burton, be as dark as Batman Returns, then again it won't be as shitty as Batman and Robin unless they really try. Nothing is going to top Star Wars, they should have scheduled a Christmas release. And sorry about the marketing major comment but you should be flattered, plant. A marketing major is still more intelligent than any Hollywood executive.
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This plant was hilarious.
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As long as goyer sticks to writing the script and leaves the directing to a professional it will do for me. The script is great and really shows the characters in a different way to the other movies. Joel schumaker can kiss my ass
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Und ich sage: Yo! Batman Begins wird abgehen wie die H
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It's not "Uber", it's "
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If you watch a lot of movie commericals these days, youll see "The best action film of the year" - Dark Horizons. And the thing is, its not Garth reccomending the film, its some random review. By using the name of the website, and a quick quote, they can attribute the pr theyre generating to being from the site rather than an individual. Anonymity finally has an upside for the studios. Now they can put "The best blockbuster of the SUmmer" - AintitCoolNews.
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May 24, 2005 1:00:45 PM CDT
I'm not really impressed by the unsophisticated way the studios
by fluffyunbound
Having some flack make up a random name and send in a review like this only makes people scream "Plant!" It's actually kind of a negative buzz creator. Considering the fact that interns are free, I am really surprised on a project of this size that they don't have someone invest the time to create a permanent online persona to hang around various sites until they are "known", and THEN start sending in reviews. If the review said, "Hi, I'm Nicole21 and I just saw Batman," I might think "Hey, Nicole21 is an asshole, I don't like that guy," but I would NOT think "this is a plant". I would be more likely to accept as valid a review from someone whose talkback name I recognize. Unless that person is Moviemack, of course.
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Don't freak out or anything.
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May 24, 2005 1:01:52 PM CDT
RE: the most retarded comic hero ever. Wasn't "Radio" with Cuba
by oceansized
"Hi, I'm Bob. Would you knock me out please?"
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May 24, 2005 1:13:43 PM CDT
They'll make Wonder Woman toungue-in-cheek a la Starsky and Hutc
by hypeendshere
It'll be a cheeky fun women empowerment movie like Buffy/Alias combined with Spice World. That way, when people laugh AT it, they can claim they are laughing WITH it. Thus deflecting any fair criticism.
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If you didn't like it you're a bitter loser, haha
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...it isn't laced with profanity, multiple misspellings and grammar errors, and words like "ROCKS" and "SWEET." Also, if it was a plant it would start off saying, "Harry, dude, I wasn't sure I was going to like this film. I've been scared of this one for a looooooong time. Batman was an f-in HUGE part of my life as a kid and I was sure Nolan was going to f-k it up. But damn if he didn't Harry-- this film F-IN ROCKS!!!!!!!!" All plants start off talking about their doubts concerning the film, haven't you figured that out? :)
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I suppose it'll make dough, but "Batman Begins" just seems tired to me. For what its worth, we already saw a lot of "origin" material on Bruce Wayne (falling down the well, encountering bats) in "Batman Forever," and we got his parents getting killed in the first one (by the Joker there, somebody else this time, yes?) So we're going to simply rehash that material one more time? Meanwhile, somebody made the decision to cast the villains with low wattage actors, so we end up with the best players and biggest names(Michael Caine, Morgan Freeman) in the supporting good-guy roles. The whole project seems unbalanced to me. Also, the promotion of Katie Holmes' romance with Tom Cruise smells of Hollywood hype, like somebody figures "Batman Begins" needs the help. We'll see. I'm worried that this is going to be the "For Your Eyes Only" of Batman movies -- no frills, no fun.
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May 24, 2005 1:53:35 PM CDT
Pfft. Armed with the trailers and the script I could have wrote
by grando
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May 24, 2005 1:54:13 PM CDT
he seemed ambivalent about Bale,...doesnt sound like a plant, al
by spacesheik
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Coole Sache, das Experiment hat ja geklappt. Dachte fast schon, ich bin der einzige deutsche Talkbacker hier. Mit den Amis und Briten Meinungen auszutauschen ist ja superwitzig, aber mich hat trotzdem interessiert, wat hier so geht. Gr
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So this isn't the 'The long awaited PG-13 version fans have always desired'. And the reason for it being a plant is not just because it was a drooling gush of a review, there's plenty of those. The reasoning behind most concluding it was a plant are 1) This reads like a press release, using neutral language (no curses, obscene language) and peppered with industry phrases and buzzwords. 2) It's strangely obsessed with the financial aspect of this movie 3)There's nothing in this review that isn't found in the trailers, revealing only as much as the studio has already decided on 4) Lack of first-person reference or emotional reflection ('Nearly every AICN review has the word 'I' in at least every other sentence) and 5) It's fucking by someone naming themselves after a fucking plant. And there's no explanation of how this person came to see this movie, which reviewers almost always go into in detail. If the studio has begun audience screenings there would be a flood of other reviews at the same time, as always happens.
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May 24, 2005 2:13:30 PM CDT
Man of Stool you had me intrigued enough to babelfish yo ass
by john-locke
But now i'm just confused. Here's the translation: Langhaariger. Coole thing, the experiment folded. Nearly already thought, I am the only German Talkbacker here. With the Amis and the Britisher opinions to exchange is super+funny, but me nevertheless interested, wade goes in such a way here. Greetings anyhow! From which area do you and which asking one film come please you best?
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May 24, 2005 2:24:21 PM CDT
John-Locke, you`re way cool! Thanks for trying, here`s the trans
by man of stool
Cool, the experiment worked just fine. Almost thought I was the only German talkbacker. To exchange opinions with Brits and Americans is really fun,but I juat wanted to know if it could happen. Greetings! Where do you live and what`s your favorite Batman movie?
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...why don't the staff? Bribery? Sheer stupidity? It reeks of publicity.
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From reading that review, one could easily assume that this ass clown simply watched the Smallville promo and wrote about it... Theres nothing here to say he actually saw the film.
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pumping the performances in that vague Hollywood kiss kiss tone -- along with no spoilers -- along with comparing this latest edition with another latest edition that won its weekend -- reeks of rookie receptionist in the producer's lobby. and when your boss screams that you need to pump a superproduct to the fanboys, say the buzz is already excellent and that stunts like this can only crack the armor.
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They've ruined every franchise with their politics and bullshit ways. Batman. Matrix. Superman (Singer's Sthuperman suit is weak as is Brandon Routh). Batman Begins looks good but they don't need to resort to this bullshit.
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I'm not arguing for the validity of this admittedly shady review.. but i've been coming to this site a long time and every positive review I've ever read is met with post after post screaming plant... it's devolved into self parody.
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That's what I'm going to do.
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is absolutely right.. except i prefer Jesus Tittyfucking Christ, myself.
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May 24, 2005 3:01:06 PM CDT
hmmm....Burgundy, that sounds like something the PLANT would say
by hypeendshere
We ought to have HUAC interview Hollywood again, only this time for Plants.
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Cries and runs home..
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Bwahaha.
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May 24, 2005 3:20:42 PM CDT
To those who have a HATE ON for this film, you better hope this
by jon_snow
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May 24, 2005 3:21:19 PM CDT
"the title, Batman Begins, suggest to even the most idiotic that
by gheorghe zamfir
Not to call my friend an idiot, but I was just talking to a guy the other day about Batman Begins and right off the bat he expressed hesitancy about this flick cause of those last two disasters, course on the same hand he hadn't seen much publicity for this since he's been in Iraq for the last year, but still, Schumaker's stank still wafts in the air.
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Mainly because it could easily be written without actually seeing the movie. In fact it seems that this review was actually spawned forth from the ether of Hype itself, much like anakin was made purely from manipulation of the midiclorians.
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... since I thought Episode III sucked big time.
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May 24, 2005 3:54:32 PM CDT
to quote some random talkbacker a long time ago: THIS REVIEW WOU
by shigeru
But I guess it's a slow news day. BB should rock tho.
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oh well... still thought III rocked.
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It must be a lot of fun to come up with some bullshit review, send it in to AICN, and watch it get posted.
The guy doesn't say who he is, how he saw the film, or dish out anything REMOTELY specific about it. Plant jokes aside, it's obviously BS.
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You're the best... around!
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"after seeing EPISODE 3, and am very pleased to say that if these two film are indicative of the remainder of the US summer season, we are in for one hell of a treat."
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May 24, 2005 4:24:07 PM CDT
The trailers look good but that doesn't mean the movie will be.
by bruticus
Don't judge a book by its cover lassie.
Hitchikers guide trailers looked bad ass but the movie was quite disappointing.
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Hate to break it to you people...but t the Prequels were liked by a majority of the people. You don't make that kinda cash without people liking it. Hell, eveyone had an orgasm over Sin City...and how much money did it rake in? THAT movie was propped up by Comic Book fans and Film geeks. Prequels are loved, Especially Episode III. But of course, you are SSSSoooooo cool by knocking Lucas. I have faith in this movie...from the scenes I saw at a convention, it will kick some arse.
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morons
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Warum kann "Batman Begins" auch in D. nicht einfach "Batman Begins" heisen.............
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I think that Batman will be awesome, no doubt, but this review... something about seemed like it came off the desk of an executive at Warner Bros. It just sounds so fake; and it's no secret that the studios plant the hell out of this website because they know it's a major source of movie information. I'm not saying Harry or anyone that runs the website already knows this, but I'm sure that the studios email these "pre screening reviews" to get the ball rolling on positive word for the for the film.
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Because he actually like episode III and he actually wrote a positive review of this movie...and I mean any god-fearing fan boy must HATE episode III and must NEVER write a positive review...you talkbackers suck
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Ich tue wirklich nur dies, um mit Ihnen zu bumsen. Die
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May 24, 2005 4:56:33 PM CDT
John-Locke, You`re fucking funny, man! Your German sucks so hard
by man of stool
Nooooooooootch!
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I've been a B-man fan since I got a Mego Batman and Robin with removable masks for my 5th birthday. It was way long ago. I liked the Tim burton version quite a bit but loathed the shumacher crap. I cant believe the cast that they've assembled for this new film. I dont think it can really miss with that kind of talent involved. I think people that say it will suck just arent that fond of Batman to begin with. They also probably thought Ishtar was the best movie ever.
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May 24, 2005 5:13:21 PM CDT
I'M BATMAN!! THE BATMAN!!! or A MAN WITH SOME SERIOUS ISSUES!!
by imaximus
Back in the summer of 89'I stood outside the local General Cinema which no longer exists, and awaited for the first great blockbuster of that year. Pretty awesome since we were also getting the third and final installment of the Indiana Jones trilogy w/ Sean Connery as Jones Sr., Lethal Weapon 2 (before it got to kid friendly),The Abyss( an underwater Aliens), and Star Trek 5 (Kirk should have fallen and died from El Capitaine). It was purely a Batmanesque year. Tim Burton brought us a new vision of the most popular superhero next to Superman. Of course Jack stoll the show and Kim Basinger had more screen time than a damsell in distress should. The Batmobile was kickass, and the score by Elfman was fantastic. The sequel was highly anticipated, but it just didn't do much for me. Michelle Peifer as Catwoman was a fantasy come to life, but Christopher Walken looked out of place. I will not go into the last two movies for reasons other than they disgraced the image of the Dark Knight entirely. Nolan may have a hit on his hands and sure enough it will be something worthy of a new franchise. If that ten minute sneak peek after the season finale made us feel like going down a pole to the Batcave, then someone finally got it right. This could become the best comic book adaptation since last years Spiderman 2 and at least until we see Superman Returns.
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It's a plant because of the WAY it's positive. But if you can't tell that from reading it, me pointing it out to you line-by-line isn't going to help. Go back, reread it, and after every paragraph ask yourself if it sounded like it came from a lucky pre-screening geek like us or a professsonal writer getting paid to write it (or more likely a board meeting).
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I've just been using babelfish to translate, http://babel.altavista.com Glad I made you laugh, try this: Sie sind der Brand angesteckte linke Testikel von einem ungesetzlichen mongolischen Lama mit Syphilis ;-)
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The only thing, and i mean the only thing good about that particular movie was Christian Bale. That movie was so far off the mark it's craze inducing. One scene, ONE FUCKING SCENE that was in that piece of ungodly tripe was actually in the terrific, yet horribly disturbibg, book...and this reviewer mentions it as a high water mark of cinema. I can't wait for Batman Begins. I hope it's wonderful, it certianly looks good from the trailers and I believe they have made many choices in the proper direction with casting and Nolan at the helm. But the last thing I'm going off of is this person's review, if you can call it that. And who gives a shit if it is a plant or not. That seems to be the only thing anyone ever has to say on this site. If a movie gets a decent review it has to be from a plant. Plant, plant, plantplant plantplantplantppplantaaahhhhhhh! SHUT UP! YOU ARE ALL PLANTS!
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May 24, 2005 5:43:57 PM CDT
John-Locke, stop this. I`m dying here, man, I`m fucking dying...
by man of stool
You made my day.
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Sie dummes turd. Sprechen Sie Englsh, Sie dum nazi Bumsen!
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Salma Hayek lets my eggs ring and makes my belts hard, but new Batman a film is also the Bringer!
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May 24, 2005 5:57:25 PM CDT
"Sie dum nazi Bumsen"? ENOUGH! ENOUGH ALREADY! YOU GUYS ARE FUCK
by man of stool
My mother tongue was never funnier!
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I'm still looking forward to this movie. I haven't seen Ep. III yet though(hoping to go Saturday with the little lady). Michael Caine just seems to kick so much ass as Alfred.
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Ja erfand Douglas Adams die Bezeichnung Babelfish im Tramper F
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May 24, 2005 6:06:37 PM CDT
John-Locke, I`m checking out. Thanks for the info. Hoping to mee
by man of stool
So long, and thanks for all the fish!
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May 24, 2005 6:18:17 PM CDT
A little help from the Talkbackers: I forgot the name of Led Zep
by oceansized
tee hee
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the language that the French love to hate, deny they hate, then pretend there country can't be conquored in three weeks, more then once
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May 24, 2005 6:28:05 PM CDT
So he liked the atrocity that was Episode 3 and praised the cop
by industrykiller
So he likes bad movies. Great. Can't wait to throw myself into Batman Begins based on this joke of a review. If it's edited like The Bourne Supremecy than we are all fucked. How could anyone like that "I'm just not talented enough to choreograph a proper action scene" style of editing? You couldn't see whatt eh fuck was going on. Anyone who thinks it's a legitimate style used to convey the confusion of the action is a fool. It's a cop out for directors who can't direct. This site used to be film lovers, now it seems far more representative of the average Joe idiot "entertain me with loud stuff!" moviegoer. RIP quality film. Fucking sad and pathetic.
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May 24, 2005 6:56:33 PM CDT
USA Today Film Critic Comments on Batman Begins Screening
by makaveli510
http://cgi1.usatoday.com/mchat/20050523003/tscript.htm
Long Island, NY: Hello Scott - what is your final prediction of how much the third Star Wars film will make? Will it surpass the 1977 original? Besides Star Wars, which film will come in second for this summer? Thanks.
Scott Bowles: Right now I'd say second place will be a battle between 'War of the Worlds' and 'King Kong.' I saw 'Batman' last week, and that movie certainly delivers. But I think it's too dark and geared toward comic devotees to challenge for No. 2.
JoBlo posted a review sometime ago about some guy seeing the screening and loving it, BatmanOnFilm had one aswell, now theres one on here, and this guy from USA today liked it, so far all the haters can eat dick until they find a negative review.
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Shit, where was I when they announced this?
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spot on, the editing of Bourne and so many others isn't just the lazy directors lack of ability to film a fight scene properly, it's the lazy fight choreographers who beleive wire work is the end-all-be-all in creating a fight and actors and actresses who shouldn't be allowed to do a fight scene for any reason. Stupid shite like Chalie's Angels craptaculr fights are the result. It ain't funny, it's crap. Christ the ending fight of Bowfinger is more realisitic. The Cartoon GI Joe had better fights than this crap. Batman needs to fight like a man, not a damn Circ de Sole acrobat.
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Hope springs eternal!!
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"If they wanted my money they would have made a Trilogy out of YEAR ONE/KILLING JOKE/DARK KNIGHT RETURNS and do it black and white ala Sin City and make it R-Rated. FUCK IT why not just hire Rodriguez?".....Dude, great fucking idea. That would make money hand over fist. But the movie Industry are so many light years out of touch they would never even think to do that. They are too busy throwing millions into Wonder woman, and Aquaman, and Elecktra 2, and sub Mariner...All sure things for box office bombs. The only way something like that would get made and succeed is if Robert Rodrigez, Quentin Tarantino, or Peter Jackson were to make it. And those three are pretty much booked for other projects.
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Apparently some talkbackers think it's cool to always have a "been there, done that" attitude about EVERY FUCKING FLICK and call it trash no matter how good it is or how good an upcoming flick looks.. Case in point, Ep 3 and Sin City.. Those movies, while not perfect, offered everyting we expected and STILL you're not pleased.. newsflash, its not cool to hate everything... In fact, people HATE negative ass people who hate everything. You're that guy at the party who invited himself.
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So, I saw this movie six days ago, wrote a review, and Harry didn't publish it... perhaps the review sucked... but... here it is...
Harry,
So, what did guyinthebackrow do on Wednesday night, you ask? Did he watch the new "Lost"? No. Did he see the Suns beat Houston? Nope. Did he see Lord Vader RIIIIISE? Naw. Then what the hell did guyinthebackrow do last night?
I saw "Batman Begins". And, it totally rocks. It's scary, scary how much I loved this movie.
It all starts with the black-and-white Warner Brothers logo... and then the drums... and then the bats. The film's theme is fear, how it controls people, how other people use it. The story is told in a kind of montage-y (not exactly a word) way. This is the whole story, Bruce Wayne's parents being shot right in front of him, Bruce wanting to seek vengeance against Joe Chill, and not getting to, and then Bruce learning to fight and then becoming Batman. Thus, there's a lot of story, so the show moves fast.
The sound is amazing. Everything is turned up to 10. Punches sound like they hurt. The two shots that kill Bruce's parents are earsplitting (and that scene is fairly disturbing, no slow-motion this time, this is just boom-boom "my parents are dead").
What's good you ask? Everything. I loved it.
I could spoil the film's couple of surprises... but don't we all know them already? Who's really the main bad guy? Who is Dr. Crane really working for?
Getting back to the scary parts. I'll give you scary. The scarecrow's mask. You've seen it. You've seen it crawling with maggots, but you haven't seen it with a rotting bat coming out of its mouth.
The only thing that isn't great (and this is usually a big thing for me) is the fighting. All of the fighting is heavily edited. It's hard to understand what's going on except that (for the most part) Bruce is beating someone's ass. The best fight is probably the first one in prison when Bruce takes on 5 (or 6) other inmates. But, the heavy editing of the fights works for me somehow... it's like this Batman uses one, maybe two moves and then he vanishes into the dark.
What's great you ask? The actors. Bale, Oldman, Murphy, Neeson, Freeman, Wilkinson, Caine. The guys make this movie. Holmes has the unenviable job to play the romantic interest to a character who isn't supposed to have one. Batman doesn't have a Lois Lane. He doesn't have a Mary Jane. Batman has his costume and his villains and Alfred. That's it.
What's brilliant, you ask? The ending and the setup for the sequel... Gordon is talking to Batman... he's telling him about escalation... about how the crooks out there are always trying to one-up the good-guys... about an armored car robbery... a double homicide... this new criminal likes theatrics... just like Batman... he left a calling card... a joker.
I can't wait to see what's next, and the first one hasn't even come out yet.
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"This movies was soooo good I practically ripped my cock off and beat myself over the head with it. Thank God I didn't though, because I squirted enough jizz on the ceiling that there are now stalactites in the theater! I swear I hit Christian Bale at the screening I was at and he smiled at me. That shows how much he loves the fans and takes this movie seriously. If I had missed this movie I would have killed myself, and I'm not even gay!" Any review like this is clearly a plant, unless written by Harry.
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Thats all. "MOAN WHINE MOAN BLAH BLAH WAAH WAAH" ad infinitum is all I see on these talkbacks. No ones seen it yet and still uninformed conclusions are reached by sexually frustrated, simple minded pricks. You'll never EVER be satisfied. It strikes me that whenever a particular movie finally goes into production after much anticipation, hearsay and gossip, something thats maybe been looked forward to for years by movie-goers & fans alike, these same people want to see it fail. As if you've proved something to yourself?!
To all those 'well informed' If your so smart why aren't you rich? submit a script, get in there and follow your ideal movie-world careers. You are obviously more adept at it than the current crop of film makers. -
Just for the Record, I still think this film looks good. The "feel" I get from the plot outlines, the look, the "Attitude" all look aluring. I think it's a done fact that I'm going to part with $50 sometime this summer when I go to see this flick. Even though it's pretty obvious that Warner Bros. Can't hire a decent plant to save their lives.
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Didn't even know he was in this. My interest in this arcticle was a critique of Cillian Murphy's performance as the Scarecrow. So I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm leaving hungry.
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May 24, 2005 9:20:23 PM CDT
Who wants to bet that the love story they shoehorned in will hur
by toxic frog
Batman better not tell that tart who he is.
Grrrrrrrrrr......
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May 24, 2005 9:32:17 PM CDT
BATMAN BEGINS is to Batman what EPISODE 3 was to STAR WARS:
by thirteen 13
So does that mean Bruce Wayne will make a 30 second quick decision to become Batman as a sort of afterthought, just like Annakin did when he abruptly decided to very quickly join the Darkside and become a mass murderer because he thought it might save his wife?? Just curious.
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May 24, 2005 9:59:41 PM CDT
OK lets get one thing straight - Batman Begins is nothing like E
by russman
Batman will be better. I have no crystal ball but after reading both scripts I found Batman to have a better story and better character development. Episode III, after reading and seeing it, had no one that you cared about. There was no emotion, no feeling and horrible dialogue. Batman Begins is the complete opposite. You will care about Bruce and you'll understand him - and I'm sure the acting will be a lot better. The only thing wrong with Batman is that the masses will be bored with it, you'll hear complaints of "not enough action, not enough Batman, not enough gadgets and/or (everyone's favorite) not enough explosions). This movie is offers all of the above but it also includes a fair amount of character study and emotion - or as the masses will call "boring stuff".
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Goyer's script rocks.
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Now, for those interested, this is what a gushing review sounds like when it's NOT a plant. It's not that the review Harry posted was postive and thereby must be forged, it's that it was so transparently forged. If guyinthebackrow's review is another plant, that's how you make it believable. Studios take note.
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PLEASE tell me Bruce didn't offer to give up being Batman for Rachel, as he did in the script. That was horrid.
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Hope the movie's good, though. The trailers have all been disappointing.
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May 24, 2005 11:36:07 PM CDT
Crispin Glover should be The Joker - Sign the Petition folks!
by rivero
If you're a Crispin Glover fan(and who isn't?) and are looking forward to the upcoming Batman Begins, then sign the Crispin Glover/ Joker Petition! Here ya go:
http://www.petitiononline.com/qp2d1234/petition.html
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You guys amaze me. This is my first post on this website, though I've been reading the site for the past 4 years or so. I must say, after all this time I've heard the cries for a mature approach to Batman, and Christian Bale to portray Batman, and yet you're all acting like a bunch of ungrateful bastards. The review didn't seem to much like a plant to me, it just seemed like a spoiler-free review from someone who really dug the movie. Me, I'll be there on opening day...hell I'll be there for the midnight showing if they have one...AND I'll be wearing an old school Super Friends shirt just for fuck's sake. By the way, sorry if I come across as an asshole, beforehand I had a beer and cheeted on my wife...
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on this site where people are much more likely to be skeptical and cry Plant! at the drop of a semicolon? it seems to me that it would make more sense to plant in places where people don't follow movies, comic books, and the like as closely as many TBers here obviously do. as for the movie, it looks promising, but then again, i liked Batman Returns the best of the series so what the heck do i know? oh, and i also though LOTR was worlds better than Ep1-3 so i'll just go away and bury my credibility...
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Does harry know this guy is who he says he is?
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May 25, 2005 1:21:48 AM CDT
Wow! They cast the perfect Bruce Wayne and take a mature approac
by rant breath
But the batsuit looks like shit.Doh!
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May 25, 2005 1:50:28 AM CDT
It's green,has thousand feet, and needs plenty of water to grow.
by nsomnia
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Plant rights now!
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But I always get suspicious when there's some secret screening of an eagerly anticipated "geek" movie and AICN only gets one report. That's not conspicuous or anything...
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Plants, good reviews, bad reviews - whatever; I'll be there on opening day wearing my Batman shirt and brandishing my favourite action figure. And stop saying 'plant', I've never seen that word written so many times on the one page. It's disturbing.
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and thats the first time i've said it i think !
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Looking forward to this one, although the trailers do nothing for me. And will you please, PLEASE, stop bashing episode 3. It actually makes me unhappy. You haters are making me unhappy. For what?
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Plant plant plant. Douchebag. So sorry we let the air out of your balloon by suggesting that this was not written by a wonderfully sensitive and eloquent movie insider who happened to be held in thrall by the many pleasures of 'Batman Begins.'
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May 25, 2005 8:00:10 AM CDT
And I being poor have spread my dreams under your feet, so tread
by fanb0y
Obligatory Equilibrium Reference (come on guys, this should have been done after the first post)
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Episode III got mostly great reviews, and judging by the record breaking box office the public love it too. So no one cares about your irrational hatred of the film anymore. Sorry.
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I think the last word here should be german: Hoden
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Not even the books can foot the blame.
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Blade 3 was better than any of the Star Wars prequels. But then, so is the short film I made about a girl taking a dump.
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Then again, your name isn't fanb0y for nothing. Yeats deserves better.
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Ahhh, but if this is the origin story, how can he be reborn? Plus the Lazarus Pit does not come into play, I'm pretty sure, if that's what you're thinking.
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fucking brilliant!!!!
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Thanks moviemack :) LOL
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May 25, 2005 3:02:40 PM CDT
If the script and the imbecilic "twist" are anything by which to
by salvatoregravano
And one of the top 5 cash makers of the year.
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You sick, twisted fucker ;)
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May 25, 2005 3:48:33 PM CDT
So how do people tell the difference between a plant and a posit
by minderbinder
The look of this thing is great, like the backstory stuff, and from the trailers it looks pretty solid. Why are people shitting on this thing so much, just read too many spoilers? Ep3 was decent, but I'm way more excited about this.
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Nope. Wayne does not give up being Batman for Racheal. Actually... slight spoiler... not even a spoiler... Racheal finds out that he's Batman and then says that she can't be with him. It's in the trailer. That little bit about "the boy I loved never came back"... that's at the very, very end. Well, actaully the very, very end is the scene about the Joker.
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I guess people these days don't actually *remember* movies they spew vitriol against for six years. In the first movie, the Jedi Council makes a point of spelling out that Anakin is too old and too afraid of losing his mother to be a Jedi. And the only reason he's actually trained is because Qui-Gon makes it a deathbed request. In the second movie, his obsession over losing his mother causes him to ignore his protection mandate and go search her out. And find her, dying. When she dies, he then exterminates every being in the Tusken Raider camp in vengeance. This is the beginning of his fall. Aboard Greivous' ship, he murders a defenseless Dooku at the command of Palpatine, another drop down the Dark Side ladder. Then, his visions of the future of his wife dying in childbirth cause those memories of loss and hatred to flow through him. His desire to prevent this loss cause him to grasp at any solution to the problem. But his fear of reprisal from the Council for his affair with Padme, and his fear of losing his relationship in the aftermath, cause Palpatine's offer to sound reasonable. In fact, I bet Anakin believed himself powerful enough to gain the information, then turn on the Emperor and destroy him. If anything in these first three movies, the only story that was told to complete satisfaction was Anakin's turn. In this one, Lucas made me feel like anyone could have gone down that path. Hell, to protect the ones I loved, I might be blinded enough to do anything to save them...Watch all three movies again, you'll see that his turn is agonizingly gradual, but specifically there.
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Sometimes it's not a clear enough decision to make. Sometimes it is (for example: if you have the time, I recommend searching the archives for some "fan reviews" of 'League of Extraordinary Gentlemen'). Personally I think the guy who wrote it exhibits a lot of plant-like traits (conspicuous solitude, keeps harping on about the things he's afraid people won't like, "everybody was awesome and defined the role," ...the name, etc.). But at the same time, I don't really understand why anyone would dump a plant review of 'Batman Begins' onto AICN's doorstep. I think it's almost a given that most everybody that read this article planned on seeing the movie anyway, even moviemack, so who are they trying to sell? So I don't know. If it looks and smells like a plant, my advice is to just take the review with a grain of salt.
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Take it to the Star Wars TB champ.
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thanks for the reply! can you say anything about Bale and Oldman's performances in the film? I'm anxious for the reviews to start filtering in with their thoughts on how they did.
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great. So is everyone. Maybe not Wilkinson. His Italian accent is a little much. Bale is really the standout. It's Batman's movie. This is the first time that I really thought that Bale might turn into a movie star. Oldman plays Gordon has a good man and an honest cop. He isn't cool, he's just a cop with a family. His first scene, where he tries to comfort Bruce (age 10 or 11) is nice. Oldman plays it soft, sensitive. And why did this article get taken off the main page?
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How are Batman's fight scenes edited? Can you give detailed descriptions?
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Thanks for the input. I've had some worries about Wilkinson as Falcone.
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was there anything from the "leaked" script that was changed for the film that you wish HAD NOT been changed?
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That's a shame, because I generally loooove Tom Wilkinson. So someone else did see the movie, huh? Eenteresting.
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Yeah, he posted his review in his first post of this thread. The press screening IS next Thursday. Jett (Batman On Film) mentioned this Thursday, saying he's seeing it in a week, and Mike Sampson at JoBlo also said he was seeing it in a week.
Right now, there have been some press screenings ... http://www.thehotbutton.com/today/hot.button/index.html - Movie City News -
I may be treading into JDanielP territory here, but I would have just killed Rachel off. The only appeal she has as a character is a souvenir of the past that Wayne wants to save, "make Gotham safe for," whatver. Her dying is much more effective in reinforcing Batman's desolation than her just dumping him. Fuck that shit.
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I don't know, whatevs.
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Cool. Thanks for the info.
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i know it for a plain fact!!
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May 27, 2005 1:35:01 AM CDT
You think 'Fantastic Four' will make more than 'Batman Begins'
by ribbons
I wouldn't put money on that one, dude... although crow's pretty tasty, so I don't mind eating it. We'll see.
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Another question, if you stop by this deserted thread, it looks like they changed the first appearance of Batman (the encounter with Judge Phelan in his limo) ... can you drop a hint as to what they did now to "introduce" him?
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followed closely by ROTS. Bale owns you. Christensen owns you. Lucas owns you. Wimmmer owns you. //*father voice from end of EQ* Father**: Lucas's job with EP1 and 2 was simple, to make you haters feel like you'd won. To make you feel safe. For years, I'd tried to infiltrate a pro-SW fanboy into the talkback, untill it hit me, in order to pass undetected into their midst, in order to be trusted by them, my provacateur would have to think, like them, would have to nitpick like them. A man who had the capacity to be a hater but didn't yet know it. **fanboy**: but we've never met! **Father**: no? (Morphs into Harry) Don't look so surprised fanb0y, why should Father be any more real than any other planted sycophantic reviewer? The real Father died, years ago, and the AICN Jedi Council simply elected me to continue his bloated monologue crappy review tradition. And you, fanb0y the supposed savior of fandom, are now its destroyer, and along with them, you've given me yourself. Come...cooly....entirely without incident. **fanb0y**: NOT WITHOUT INCIDENT...I'm coming for you
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May 27, 2005 7:51:10 PM CDT
(Harry emailed me) Be careful fanb0y, you're treading on my drea
by fanb0y
**Father/Harry**: Wait!!! I cried during ROTS, I watched EP1 and 2 multiple times...im a fanboy...now that u know it, can u really destroy me...is it worth the price? **fanb0y**: i pay it glady *shoots*
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I see...can't argue with that...
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^^^ clever
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i think moviemack is secretly in love with this movie. expect his closet door to blow open on june 15th (yes, he will see it on june 15th just like the rest of us).
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I am trying to get into the Batman graphic novels...I was always a Marvel man myself...so any suggestions on where to begin? I know its a difficult question...but who better to answer it than you fine folk
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Hey man, I know we disagree on some things ... namely, Batman Begins ... but I believe you mentioned Crash in one of the talkbacks ... I finally had a chance to see it tonight, fucking amazing movie. Good call on that one.
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thanks a bunch man...thats quite the comprehensive list to get me started...it is greatly appreciated
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I have heard a lot of hype about The Killing Joke and the Longest Halloween...any comments?
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Is just a string of non-stop cameos? Didn't Jeph Loeb write that one too? You'd think he'd have gotten it out of his system by now...
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Hah!
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Hells to the Yeah!
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Reading through this talkback of why Batman Begins would be terrible is a good way of reminding myself not to believe the views of most TalkBackers.
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