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Rodriguez confirms A DAME TO KILL FOR for SIN CITY 2!!!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with some cool news for us SIN CITY fans. It was pretty much a given that A DAME TO KILL FOR was a shoe-in for the SIN CITY sequel as it has both Dwight and Marv teaming up, obviously before Marv's date with the pussyfied electric chair. Now Robert Rodriguez has confirmed not only is A DAME TO KILL FOR in the next installment, but that "work had already started" on the film! Hrm? To what degree, I wonder...


So what else will be in the sequel? A DAME TO KILL FOR is great, but it's no longer than any of the three stories in the first film. FAMILY VALUES? Miho kills a whole shitload of baddies in that one... What do you folks want to see?

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  • May 23, 2005, 5:05 a.m. CST


    by Angry Chimp

    Go on then Frank and Rob, you can have that one. Oops, wrong thread. I'd just like to see Sin City at this stage - haven't seen it yet, I live in the UK.

  • May 23, 2005, 5:07 a.m. CST

    martha washington

    by marsjam

    How about.... (drum roll please) big guy and rust the robot???? then it would have sex violence and something for the kiddies

  • May 23, 2005, 5:20 a.m. CST

    Rusty the Robot deep throats the BIG guy!?! WTF marsjam!

    by Angry Chimp

    Marsjam - You sicko, no way I wanna see that red little fucker getting it on with captain lard bomb Big guy - and where would the violence come in?

  • May 23, 2005, 5:27 a.m. CST

    Didn't the drivel flop?

    by SalvatoreGravano

    What warrants a sequel, then?

  • May 23, 2005, 5:29 a.m. CST


    by CuervoJones

  • May 23, 2005, 5:31 a.m. CST

    Salvatore Gravano is my second favorite Italian porn star.

    by Aust1n

  • May 23, 2005, 5:37 a.m. CST

    A Dame to Kill For Cast

    by Solrider77

    The real question here is who would play the titular Dame Eva. Perphaps Charlize Theron, or maybe Salma Hayek. I'm sure someone here gonna suggest Eva Longoria, hell she does already have the character's name.

  • May 23, 2005, 5:47 a.m. CST

    by ophelia-fell

    I don't care what happens. So long as Marv is around. That's shallow, isn't it?

  • May 23, 2005, 5:59 a.m. CST

    Sin City 2: Mikos Breasts

    by MyHerosDead

    thats all i want to see besides some more gratuitous beautiful violence and cinematography

  • May 23, 2005, 6:04 a.m. CST

    Scarlett Johansson will be great as Eva

    by Biko Salamar

    A Dame To Kill For is the best Sin City story. I also want to see Hell & Back on film.

  • May 23, 2005, 6:04 a.m. CST

    Can't wait for Sin City 2.

    by Screwdriver

    Sin City is a brilliantly crafted movie and I think another film will be tits!

  • May 23, 2005, 6:33 a.m. CST

    straight to vid? or are they gonna bite the bullet for a theatr

    by HypeEndsHere

    seriously, i liked it, but John Q Bumblefuck and Mary Jane Rottencrotch thought it was crap.

  • May 23, 2005, 6:47 a.m. CST

    Scarlett Johansson = style over content i.e.bad actress

    by workshed

    So lets leave her out of this particular equation, eh?

  • May 23, 2005, 7 a.m. CST

    Nudity in A DAME TO KILL FOR- SIN CITY 2?

    by ch2praxis

    Is there going to be any nudity for SIN CITY 2 like SC 1???

  • May 23, 2005, 7:12 a.m. CST

    yes there should be nudity in Sin City 2

    by Biko Salamar

    considering that A Dame To Kill For and Hell & Back are filled with nudity, even more than in the albums that were filmed, I assume that yes, there should be. Family Values on the other hand does not have any nudity and would make a really cool story. I hope Rodriguez will film these 3 stories, but he won't have anything left for Sin City 3 but the one-shots.

  • May 23, 2005, 7:43 a.m. CST

    No, I didn't "here" you. Or read your irrelevant post.

    by HypeEndsHere

    Yes, it made money. No debate. Yes, I liked it (but probably wouldn't buy it). But briefly join us in reality, won't you? PUBLIC REACTION TO THIS FILM WAS NOT GOOD. I experienced 6 walkouts in my theatre, and everyone that I know that has seen it has experienced at least 2 walkouts of their own.

  • May 23, 2005, 8:04 a.m. CST

    Family Values?

    by BurlIvesLeftNut

    WTF? The exact plot was used in the first movie wasn't?

  • May 23, 2005, 8:05 a.m. CST

    If walkouts mean "the public" hates a movie, then Reservoir Dogs

    by FluffyUnbound

    The only time a walkout means anything is when it's ME walking out.

  • May 23, 2005, 8:21 a.m. CST

    by foreignerbelt

    hype is right. nobody I know liked it even though alot of people went to see it because of the boss music in the trailer. worked for starship troopers.

  • May 23, 2005, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Great Films I've experienced walkouts with

    by John-Locke

    Jackie Brown,-------Rules Of Attraction,-------Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.

  • May 23, 2005, 8:30 a.m. CST

    I was so close to walking out of The Cell, but the girl I was wi

    by HypeEndsHere

    Oh, and there are no sequels in the works for any of those movies, John-Locke. (and that's unfortunate in the case of Sunshine)

  • May 23, 2005, 8:41 a.m. CST

    I still haven't seen the film...

    by Biko Salamar I don't know if it's bad but for a so called "bad movie" it's not bad at all:

  • May 23, 2005, 8:45 a.m. CST

    When it is really such a bad film...

    by DerLanghaarige

    why is it rated on imdb with 8.1? PS: I haven't seen it either. It was supposed to start this week in Germany but...y'know...Star Wars.

  • May 23, 2005, 9:07 a.m. CST

    quoting critics (rottentomatoes) and film site visitors (imdb) i

    by HypeEndsHere

  • May 23, 2005, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Sin City was (and probably will be) the best movie I've seen thi

    by EffBeeEye

    And I am someone who hadn't read any of the gn's before the movie came out; I was absolutely blown away by SC and can't wait for SC 2: Even More Sinnier.

  • May 23, 2005, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Awesome news....

    by grendelson138

    I read the news somewhere else first, but it's nice to let old Robert know how happy we are. The first was awesome, and here's hoping we can keep the cast and get this one out in about a year too. I have absolutely no complaints with anything in Sin City...other than Alba staying clothed. It looks great, awesome cast and it stays like 98% faithful to the comics. Between this and Hellboy, Dark Horse comics have the best comic to movie translations (other than Barb Wire)....mainly because Dark Horse has nothing to do with it.

  • May 23, 2005, 9:28 a.m. CST

    why bother...

    by Dark Vapor

    ...debating, this is one of the most polarizing movies of all time, you either thought it was perfect or you thought it was dreck. I for one can not wait for the DVD and as for a sequel, bring it on!

  • May 23, 2005, 9:29 a.m. CST

    About friggin time!

    by J_akob

    Robert Rodriquez has such consistancy in the quality of his work that I know that the sequal will be just as edgy, violent, and entertaining.

  • May 23, 2005, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Anybody know when the Sin City DVD will be released???

    by Mrhazard666

    Just wonderin...

  • May 23, 2005, 9:52 a.m. CST

    that's cool that they're making a prequel

    by tombseye

    but how about moving on after the 2nd installment. No more trilogies just b/c the term sounds epic or whatever. Make the prequel and then do other Miller work or move on to the next project. Gotta like RR's progression. He's been getting better with each film and still makes the flicks so cheap that he turns a profit. Hollywood in general could learn from his example. Martha Smith goes to Washington WOULD rock though. And maybe after 2 more Batmans following Batman Begins (it's gonna be a trilogy when it makes a ton of money as it will probably), RR and Miller could team-up again to do Dark Knight Returns and even the sequel.

  • May 23, 2005, 9:53 a.m. CST

    I was pretty disappointed...

    by Childe Roland

    ...that Dame didn't get play in the first movie. Pleasantly surprised to hear there will be a sequel and that it's going to be in. Hell and Back would be interesting as well. Bring on SC2. I'll buy two tickets at least.

  • May 23, 2005, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Sin City DVD Release Date

    by EffBeeEye

    Either August 9th or 16th.

  • May 23, 2005, 9:58 a.m. CST

    RE: Sin City DVD Release Date

    by corvis

    According to IGN (I honestly can't remember) the DVD release is scheduled for the 16th of August.

  • May 23, 2005, 10:05 a.m. CST

    DVD will be barebone

    by Biko Salamar

    it will be out in August as you said but with not a single feature. There will be special edition in 2006, don't you just hate them when they do that! I mean, I'm still waiting for Kill Bill!

  • May 23, 2005, 10:07 a.m. CST

    They'll keep us waiting with the SE DVD

    by corvis

    The release will probably tie in somehow with the release of the sequel/prequel. They did this to death with the LOTR trilogy, though there was less time to wait.

  • May 23, 2005, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Family Values would be rad...

    by Shigeru

    if only for more Miho. Miho boob too! Not sure about the rollerblading, but...

  • May 23, 2005, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Considering Dullsville was a terrible fucking movie....

    by JohnGalt2005

    can't imagine wanting to see the sequel.

  • May 23, 2005, 10:40 a.m. CST

    to quote Don Logan: "I'm not swearing. Why're you swearing?"

    by HypeEndsHere

    You saw it 4 times. Great. Apparently, you don't see that you're a little biased. Guess there's nothing I can do for you. As for getting 2 sequels right off the bat... both Superman and Batman are trilogies without beginning production on the first film. Your point? Mine is that while I liked the movie, the insulated bubble fanboys live in is so fogged up with rabid lust for comic book adaptations that they can't see that outside the bubble everyone else is not nearly as impressed. It made $70Mil. File that under W for "Whoopdee-Doo". Yes, it was cheap to make. Frankly, it looked it. As for calling it a cult-film favorite you're the individual who writes the quotes on movie posters, eh? now pipe down or i'll peel you off a fresh one. served.

  • May 23, 2005, 10:56 a.m. CST

    anchorite, good point. and it's how i got my name.

    by HypeEndsHere

    what's more, my criticisms are even more difficult because as I stated, I LIKED IT.

  • May 23, 2005, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Calm down Hype

    by mrs_rachie

    So, they're making a sequel to a film you don't think should be made? Squaking at the injustice? For God's Sake, if they can make a sequel to that pile of shit Garfield, I don't really see what the objection to a Sin City sequel is, especially since you say you actually kinda like it yourself. I'd say from the look of most the talkbalks there are plenty of people who'll be queuing up for the next one - including me. Glad to know you're not the one calling the shots. (Also, saying the amount of money it made is irrelevant is extremely naive - of course they're more likely to make another if it did well - I'm sure they don't actually give a monkey's what your "general public opinion" is) Ooh, and anchorite - I'm sure I, and many other readers here, don't always agree with the verdicts on this site and are more than capable of thinking for themselves. If you're just gonna dismiss everyone else's opinion, what's the point of engaging in talkback? Seems a bit unnecessarily aggressive to me.

  • May 23, 2005, 11:19 a.m. CST

    you're right. i got too fired up.

    by HypeEndsHere

    I'm just saying curb your enthusiasm. a modest success (financially) warrants a sequel. it was not a resounding success in terms of public opinion to say the least. (and strangely enough, people liking the movie makes a difference in how well the sequel performs at the B.O.) if i were calling the shots, i'd make the sequels animated with the possibility of going straight to vid (possibly as a DVD Special Edition supplement) and hitting the fanboy/PS2 market.

  • May 23, 2005, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Family Values

    by Right Bastard

    I really hope they add this story into the mix, and they better not puss out. Miho's boobies are constantly falling out while she's piling up the bodies in that one. I guess the only other story they could do is "Hell and Back", which isn't Frank's best. If they want a third movie, he better stop playing behind the camera, and get back behind the drawing board.

  • May 23, 2005, 11:57 a.m. CST

    $in City

    by Right Bastard

    I'm not a big RR fan, but I enjoyed El Mariachi. As a film maker though, I completely respect him. He is Punk Rock (80's definition). He is completely self sufficient, and embodies the DIY attitude. He makes the films he wants to make, and would probably tell you to take your box office numbers and shove them where the sun don't shine. I heard one interview on NPR where he and Frank Miller were asked if they were bothered that most of middle America would not "get" this film. They replied that they didn't give a shit if anyone liked it, they were making a film that they wanted to see. Enough people did see the film, though, that they made some money (and, hell, if Lepacaun can have 6 sequels, why can't this?). I say thank god there are diectors like Rodreguez and Anderson making movies like "Life Aquatic" and "Sin City"; where they really don't give a shit if short attention spanned average-minded people (who'd rather be watching "White Chicks", "National Treasure", and Ashton Kutcher movies) "get" their films.

  • May 23, 2005, 11:58 a.m. CST

    How will they handle the Dwight transformation (SPOILER)?

    by Osmosis Jones

    Will they have a different actor play Dwight, or just slap a lot of latex on Clive Owen's face? Either way, it shouldn't "spoil" the reveal for those who saw the first movie. I mean, most people at my screening(s) of the first film were surprised at the "reveal" of little Nancy Callahan as the exotic dancer, despite her name being used in the Hard Goodbye segment. What they should do for the movie is A Dame To Kill For First, hire a different actor for Dwight until he reappers at the end as Clive Owen, do a Sin City short in the middle, then do Family Values. That's a whole movie worth, then Rodriguez can save Hell & Back for it's own movie (it's certainly long enough). As to who should play Eva, Scarlett Johansson is way too young. Salma Hayek would be a great femme fatale choice, plus she's appeared in most of Rodriguez's films and we'd get to see her topless again.

  • May 23, 2005, 12:08 p.m. CST

    SC 2 - Sin City versus Sim City

    by Judge Doom


  • May 23, 2005, 12:10 p.m. CST

    I wonder if RR will crap out the sequels like he did the first o

    by payton 34

    Probably, considering almost everyone here thought that piece of dreck was good. You guys are the reason 99% of what Hollywood makes is shit.

  • May 23, 2005, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Osmosis Jones

    by Right Bastard

    I think you might be on to something. Do you think they could stretch the Delia "blue eyes" stories from Booze, Broads, & Bullets into a third segment to fill out the movie?

  • May 23, 2005, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Re:"99% of what Hollywood "

    by Right Bastard

    Hollywood didn't make this movie. Austin did.

  • May 23, 2005, 12:24 p.m. CST

    SIn city 2: Twin cities

    by gigaloff

    Part one won't reach my part of the world for a while yet, but I know I'll love it, and this is good news

  • May 23, 2005, 12:25 p.m. CST

    maybe a matter of taste

    by Right Bastard

    but after "Hell Boy" being completely mediocre, and "Constantine" and "Hitchhiker's Guide" sucking ass, I was stoked that "Sin City" was an exact match for the source material (aside from the lack of Nancy's boobs). Maybe you had to be a fan of the books first to enjoy these movies, or have seen enough films to know that they were using the stilted Noir dialogue on purpose. No, I didn't see SpyKids3 or Shark boy; but I'm also not 12 years old.

  • May 23, 2005, 12:36 p.m. CST

    The DVD

    by pants009

    RR is a director that will be working for the rest of his life, because he's able to work cheap, fast and his movies make money. Personally, I love his DVD's, because they are full of information. Okay, with that said I heard the news about a dame to kill for about 3 days ago on another site. I feel like aicn is kind of slipping in the breaking news factor. Okay and the DVD on some other site about 3 weeks ago, RR himself was quoted in saying that he was going to have another 10 min. cooking school, the ability to watch full 45 minute versions of each book and another 10 min. film school (but it would be 20 min. this time).

  • May 23, 2005, 12:41 p.m. CST

    I'm not afraid to tell everybody:

    by DerLanghaarige

    I love Spy Kids I-III! Yes, really! I'm 23 years old, my favourite Film is Fight Club but I really enjoyed Rob Rod's kiddie movies! (But I like his R-rated films too. Most of them. )PS: Every word I wrote is the truth! There's no ;) in it! Seriously!

  • May 23, 2005, 12:50 p.m. CST

    I want to see Frank Miller direct Daredevil 2: Dare Harder

    by 3 Bag Enema

    I know we've all been put off our Daredevil movies by the first one and that Elektra pap, but the reason the first one didn't work is that the Grumpy Old Men director didn't get the tone of Miller's books right. Miller would. It'll never happen, though.

  • May 23, 2005, 1:07 p.m. CST

    It was smart not to put A Dame to Kill For in the first movie

    by eraser_x

    Because, as decent a story as it is, it is also one of the least original. It is extremely similar to the movie "Body Heat" and probably to many other movies or books.

  • May 23, 2005, 1:10 p.m. CST

    okay right bastard....

    by payton 34

    Yes it's true RR did make th film in Austin but the point I was maikng is that Hollywood looks at what people go and see and when people go to bad movies and gush about them, the studios see no reason to make something good. You have to admit that except for a couple of people the acting in Sin City was brutal and the effects looked they were done by first year film student grads. If the the whole idea was to immerse the audience in a hard bolied world and RR couldn't do that practically then why didn't he try harder with the cg?

  • May 23, 2005, 1:13 p.m. CST

    I LOVED SIN CITY, but I was looking forward to seeing Rodriguez

    by doobieflixx

    The movie was fantastic (I saw it 2 x in 24 hours), but I fear a sequel will be too much of the same. Rodriguez has shown that he can direct many times. Screen writing however, is not his strong suit. Sin City was great story wise because of Millers having written the stories. Visually....Rodriguez brought Millers stories to life. Great job on both their parts. Now I wish Robert would take another pre-written story and make his interpretation. Something new. Like a story where there is a relationship worth fighting for, something uplifting but action packed. Mix all the elements he's learnt and used into something mature and exciting. Allow imagination but stay away from being juvinile. Imagine if he were to direct something like "Cassablanca". I don't mean remake it, but rather, make something in that same veign. Something classy but with a modern outlook using the effects he's learned to use so well. I think he's a fantastic director but I fear another Sin City may not be a good idea. Keep growing Rodriguez...and look into working with Sean Penn or Ed Norton in the future, but get all the other cats too!

  • sure as hell not me, and obviously not Rodriguez. He makes the films he wants to make. Period. He wants to see it on the big screen, so he puts it up there. If no one else sees it, oh well. But lots of people WILL go see it. and lots of people will call it shite and a "flop." Good thing Michael Bay keeps making movies for those...

  • May 23, 2005, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Scarlett Johansson in Sin City

    by NeoAngelus

    Only if she shows boobs. For AT LEAST as long as Carla Gugino did. That was awesome. </pervy rant> -n/a

  • May 23, 2005, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Hey billy ho...

    by payton 34

    you are the average movie going public. Sorry to burst your bubble.

  • May 23, 2005, 1:56 p.m. CST

    "He makes the films he wants to make. Period."

    by HypeEndsHere

    we'll see how long that lasts with a 8 Mil. opening weekend.

  • May 23, 2005, 1:57 p.m. CST

    This movie IS a financial success.

    by Stubb-a-dubb

    First off, I loved this movie and I am biased in my opinion of it. That being said, let's get to the money. 30 million over cost domestically for a film that cost a little over 40 million is a decent profit when you consider that there will be more money coming in from overseas and DVD sales. Studios are starting to consider theatrical releases to be advertisements for the DVD. There is every reason to think that they can repeat most of the financial success with a sequel, and there are definitely enough of us fanboys praising it to indicate there will be plenty of return business.

  • May 23, 2005, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Sin City II: Sin and Sinner

    by truthseekr1488

  • May 23, 2005, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Stubb-a-dubb, I'm with you in almost every way

    by HypeEndsHere

    The first one was a financial success. the only way we differ is in this: "There is every reason to think that they can repeat most of the financial success with a sequel". I don't believe that there is. There was a huge box-office dropoff 1st to 2nd week, numerous cases of walkout and general dislike for this movie. will the success of Sin City bring about a sequel? as sure as there will be another star wars movie. which of these two will be successful, step forward. not so fast, Sin II.

  • May 23, 2005, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Exactly hypeendshere!

    by payton 34

    How many of the people on here who are going on and on about how RR does it "his way" are going to be there opening weekend for shark boy and lava girl? If they love how he makes movies in Austin, away from Hollywood, then they better put their money where their mouths are and go opening weekend. I bet it doesn't happen.

  • May 23, 2005, 2:12 p.m. CST

    you guys sure weren't sucking RR cock when ONCE UPON A TIME IN M

    by payton 34

    So you're either hypocrites or johnny come latelys. I'm not sure which is worse.

  • May 23, 2005, 2:19 p.m. CST

    The only problem...

    by Bryan that after A Dame to Kill For, there are no great Sin City stories left. Family Values is okay because I like seeing Miho zipping around on rollerblades killing people with a sword, but character and plot-wise it is certainly not as involving as the three stories used in the first movie. It was pretty brilliant to save A Dame to Kill For, because it's a way to bring back both Dwight and Marv for the sequel - and teamed up! I hope they keep Clive Owen as Dwight. In the first movie I thought he was the best of a great cast. I will definitely see this movie but with the best stories used up I can't see how it will match the original. Unless they decide to abandon the literal translation of the comics, which seems unlikely and would outrage the biggest fans of the original.

  • May 23, 2005, 2:19 p.m. CST

    HypeEndsHere, why are you determined to see it fail?

    by Stubb-a-dubb

    You claim to have liked the film, you recognize how much it brought in domestically yet you refuse to consider that it could be profitable to make a sequel? I don't understand. Whether you like Rodriguez films or not he does have a more hands-on approach than the majority of major filmmakers. In an era of ever-inflating production costs for film he has to be a desirable filmmaker for the financial backers. His films are cheaper and make their money back in the theater. I'm also not convinced that the general public consensus was that this film was a piece of crap. I know that critics and my friends do not make up the general public, cause if they did we'd have a lot less films coming out like "Stealth", but I don't know anyone that didn't like this movie. When I left the sold-out theater I had the impression that those I were walking out of the theater with were pleased. I'd read something that had indicated exit polls were favorable. I'm not saying you're wrong, I just had a different impression of things. I'll agree that a lot of the films I see getting tons of hype on this site end up feeling very mediocre or downright bad, but if I had a site were I talked about all the films coming out that excited me there would be a big portion of the population that would feel like I was unjust in my ecstacy. I don't feel like things such as Kill Bill were so heavily hyped because they felt like they had to hype Tarantino. I feel like Kill Bill was so heavily hyped here because there are so many aspects of that film that certain movie fans heavily identify with, myself included.

  • May 23, 2005, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Sin City 2: Sin Harder (duh)

    by SG7

  • May 23, 2005, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Payton 34

    by Stubb-a-dubb

    Wow, you like to work with absolutes. I kinda thought that you could like a filmmaker without liking all of their films. I didn't realize that because I say I'm a Martin Scorsese fan and I didn't like his film Casino I was a hypocrite.

  • May 23, 2005, 2:28 p.m. CST



    I don't think a few people walking out of a movie has anything to do with its ultimate success, heck I saw people walk out of LOTR,The Matrix Reloaded, and 28 Days Later. Maybe they didn't like it, maybe they got an urgent call and had to leave, who knows. It seems Sin City did well enough for the suits to greenlight a sequel, and I'll go see it, I'm not going to spend any sleepless nights worrying about whether or not the Weinsteins will become even richer or just break even.

  • May 23, 2005, 2:38 p.m. CST

    payton 34

    by Right Bastard

    No, I won't see Sharkboy opening weekend, because I'm not 12 years old and I don't have kids (though, I'm not speaking any less of you who enjoy the Spy Kids). But I'll definately see "Sin City 2" opening weekend, or any other Rodreguez Rated-R movie. Stubb-a-dubb is right, don't be such an absolutionist. Also, I think people can lover their expectations when watching an indie film, like this. You know most of his $40 mill went to cast. I can enjoy a crappy sounding record by a really great underground band using their own recording equipment a hell of a lot more than a polished boring album by some corporate band. So when the look of RR's CG is cheap (which I don't think it is), I'm able to remember that this is a guy doing everything on his ranch, trying to stay outside the Hollywood system.

  • May 23, 2005, 2:39 p.m. CST


    by Right Bastard

    not "lover". Damn I wish we could edit our posts. Then again, it's nice that people can't go back on what they've said once they've posted it.

  • May 23, 2005, 2:41 p.m. CST

    That's just the thing rub-a dub, I do like RR.

    by payton 34

    I aprreciate what he's trying to do. I know someone who went to film school with him and says he's one of the nicest guys on the planet. What I don't like is this groove of mediocrity he's in. I really wanted Sin City to be good. It wasn't. It was in fact really really bad. As someone who is a fan of Robert and what he's trying to accomplish it really pisses me off that he goes at his projects with his attention deficent disorder style of film making. I'd love to see what he is really capable of doing I'm just not gong to hold my breath waiting fo it to happen.

  • May 23, 2005, 2:43 p.m. CST

    It didnt flop, but given ALL THE HYPE...

    by Bong

    I guess it did?

  • May 23, 2005, 2:43 p.m. CST

    sorry right bastard you are ABSOLUTLEY WRONG.

    by payton 34

    Most of the budget did not go to the cast. They worked for scale. Most of the money went into his pocket as all the post and production costs were absorbed by his different companies.

  • May 23, 2005, 2:45 p.m. CST

    More Walk Outs

    by pants009

    I too had about 10 people walk out of this movie. I think it had something to do with the Josh Hartnet part. That part really wasn't up to par with the rest of the movie, which is understandable, because of how they shot that part. But I kind of thought that part was off putting, it was a little difficult to throw myself into "oldtimey" noir acting coming out of a heart throb, but after that quick scene it seemed as natural as ever. But jerkoff people like the group of ten seventeen year old kids (whom I'm supposing got a refund so they could go rent "Raise Your Voice") don't give films a chance.

  • May 23, 2005, 2:53 p.m. CST

    "group of ten seventeen year old kids"

    by Right Bastard

    I know we've talked about this before in TB, but goddamn kids are killing the film industry. They don't know how to go to movies anymore. I saw two movies recently where 16-17 year old kids were talking through half the movie, ruining it for everyone, and then walked out. This is why I still haven't seen ROTS. I don't want to see that movie with a bunch of little brats talking through the whole damn thing. Did anyone see the CHUD article on "The Fog" remake? It's going to suck. Carpenter came right out and said that they're putting young OC-type kids in it, making it PG13, and making it less gorey so young girls will go see the movie. That is another reason I say, even if you didn't like Sin City, at least it was an R-rated movie geared towards adults.

  • May 23, 2005, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Sin City Ep.3: Revenge of the Sin

    by Grabthars_Hammer

  • May 23, 2005, 3:10 p.m. CST

    this is kinda neat. let us assume that the topic of this conver

    by HypeEndsHere

    "FUCK THE PUBLIC!!!!! by President Evil 2005-05-23 14:58:50 Who gives a shit what those fucking sheep like and what they walk out of??? Christ, they're the ones who are continually picking presidents out of the utter TURDS sent into elections every four are we discussing their taste, since they have none?" I guess we're discussing them because they get what they want.

  • May 23, 2005, 3:16 p.m. CST

    All the sequels will be weak

    by Rupee88

    They already used the best stories in the first film. Unless Miller writes some new great ones, the sequels will be lame.

  • May 23, 2005, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Right wingers jumped all over Sin City...

    by sundancekeed

    from the get-go and that had a LOT to do with it's drop-off after the first weekend. Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity were bleating about how Sin City was just another signpost of the moral decay that is Hollywood (not withstanding it wasn't MADE in Hollywood) and popular entertainment in general. I believe O'Reilly even grilled Mickey Rourke about the violence on his show. I'm not jumping on conservatives as a group per se' but conservative commentators look for hot buttons to push. Sin City provided that. Forget the fact that it's noirish, escapist entertainment--it's got decapitations and boobies and cussing--OH MY! And of course, it's going to ruin the youth of America. Hell, Rodriguez has got nothing on MTV in that dept. And it's not like the R rating didn't carry a very clear warning that there was extreme graphic violence, nudity and sexual themes. Right there on the poster, folks--so don't act like you don't know what you're getting. But my point was that Mr. and Mrs. America who might have actually enjoyed something besides the generic studio pap that they're used to may very well have been scared off by all the hype being put out there by the Fox crowd.

  • May 23, 2005, 3:24 p.m. CST


    by Right Bastard

    you took the words right out of George Carlin's mouth,"Maybe it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe it's the public who sucks. There's your campaign slogan: 'Fuck Hope'." Am I that cynical? Yes, I am.

  • May 23, 2005, 3:40 p.m. CST

    The Sin City comic books were a load of old shit though, weren't

    by PaddyO'Neill

    I swear, Frank Miller must be the most overrated hack of a comics writer who ever lived. The only thing worse than his half baked writing is his "it's not dark and cheap, it's NOIR!" artwork. Why they'd make a film of anything by this man is a fucking mystery, but I'm sure it's no surprise that the movie is a load as well.

  • May 23, 2005, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Don't worry about box office...

    by bralli

    You guys are too hung up on Box Office receipts. $70 mil for a lower budget flick designed to appeal to a smaller demographic is indeed a success. The real question for "A Dame To Kill For" is who to play a pre-surgery Dwight. In the book he was bald. I vote for Vin Diesel... (kidding....). How about a bald Timothy Olyphant?

  • May 23, 2005, 3:56 p.m. CST

    and it's in 3D!!!

    by Orionsangels


  • May 23, 2005, 4:03 p.m. CST

    I have no idea how they are going to make this movie

    by Awesemo

    Seriously in the big picture this is a crazy idea, where the hell is the content going to come from, A dame to kill for is the 2nd shortest TPB and Family Values is the shortest, grant it, To Hell and Back is the longest, but THAB is not designed for a movie, how are they going to do the 20 pages of hallucination, in which Martha, Rusty, and Batman just to name a few show up. Plus sequels are gay, if people love Frank Miller so much why not make his prememinent work like Ronin or The Dark Knight Returns, i'll tell you why becuase people are dumb, and they like dumb stuff like a sin city sequel, that will actually be a prequel, which will definatley be dumb

  • May 23, 2005, 4:05 p.m. CST

    For A Movie That Cost $40 Milllion To Make...

    by ZombieSolutions

    $70 million makes it a wildely successful movie. PLUS, it got great reviews. when the DVD comes out, expect it to sell in great numbers. not that any of that matters, of course, cause the movie absolutely rocked. it was my favorite "hollywood-ish" movie this year until ROTS came out and pretty much blew my mind, heart, and soul.

  • May 23, 2005, 4:11 p.m. CST

    "I experienced 6 walkouts in my theatre"

    by Voice O. Reason

    That's not even close to the number of folks I saw walk out of "SAving Private Ryan".

  • May 23, 2005, 4:14 p.m. CST

    I agree with much of what you said, payton 34

    by Stubb-a-dubb

    Rodriguez is an amazingly talented man that is capable of making incredible films. Watching El Mariachi proved that for me. He's certainly capable of working at breakneck speeds, putting more films out in a short span of time than any other filmmaker I can think of, and doing more firsthand at the same time. I felt like there was a lot of positive pieces in the mess that is Once Upon a Time in Mexico. I just happen to think Sin City was one of the most electrifying films I've seen in a long time. I am a fan of the comics, though, and I'd pretty much decided there was no chance that I wouldn't love it when I saw the footage he showed at the comic con. I am certainly not without my bias.

  • May 23, 2005, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Most walkouts I've ever witnessed...

    by Stubb-a-dubb

    ...happened during Natural Born Killers. I shit you not, the theater was sold out and by the halfway point there was only half the theater left, if that. I've never seen anything like that before. Once I've paid I refuse to leave, no matter what I think of the film. If I stayed till the end of Loser (my wife's idea, not mine) I'll stay to the end of anything.

  • May 23, 2005, 4:19 p.m. CST

    HypeEndsHere is Michael Bay

    by Mars1

    I walked out during Armageddon.

  • May 23, 2005, 4:25 p.m. CST

    in retrospect, i never did mention that the theatre only had abo

    by HypeEndsHere

    And I wish i was as successful as that douche Michael Bay. Because then I'd have an "evolving senility". OFF TOPIC - anyone see Cruise on Oprah? (her show, i mean), Cruise with Katie Holmes looks like a kidnapping.

  • May 23, 2005, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Only film that I have walked out of...

    by MisterE

    ...was the Howling II. As much as I hate to admit it, I walked into "Pretty in Pink" (and it wasn't too bad).

  • May 23, 2005, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Most walkouts I've ever seen

    by hktelemacher

    was opening night for Magnolia. I don't want this to spark any tired debates about the movie's quality, but it's on topic. Around the halfway point people started bailing, I counted around ten if memory serves. BUT - of those that stayed for the whole enchilada, a good section were in tears during the moments leading up to the frog rain, a lot of audible sniffling during Tom Cruise's speech to Jason Robards. It was around Christmas, '99, and I think a lot of people had that family stuff in their heads. And for the record, DAME TO KILL FOR would probably work very well with HELL AND BACK - a kind of point and counterpoint. I think DTKF is nearly perfect, but HELL AND BACK (which is just okay) would work if they do in fact have Johnny Depp as Wallace. Intercutting the stories, rather than playing them back to back, might be better drama but it's not right in the timeline, HELL AND BACK taking place some time after. I'm not a FAMILY VALUES fan (where's the pathos? It's all Miho on rollerblades, give her roller skates and it's a date) and all of the short stories were pretty useless. Maybe Miller and Rodriguez can cook up something new for some of the characters. These are the more fallible of Miller's stories, and Rodriguez shouldn't shrink away from changing some the shit that doesn't work.

  • May 23, 2005, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Sin City 2: Electric Marv-a-loo

    by Johnno

    The first film had great visuals, nice style, I expected the noir-ish dialogue... but the story was M'eh... stuff seemed quite random. Would be great if al that was a setup for teh sequel/prequel or whatever, but I guess this goes by the books. Neve read 'em. Found Sin City enjoyable, and I'll be looking forward to a sequel, just not as much as hyped, nor will I be singing its praises.

  • May 23, 2005, 4:40 p.m. CST

    What do we want to see???!!!

    by Hamish


  • May 23, 2005, 4:41 p.m. CST

    DVD question

    by Right Bastard

    Anyone know if the initial DVD will have all the extras, or will there be a double dip?

  • May 23, 2005, 4:42 p.m. CST

    walking out

    by pants009

    My critic friend MADE me go to white chicks with him, but as soon as that creepy makeup hit the screen, I HAD to leave that time and I left HULK, because the screen wasn't lit properly and I could just barely see shadows.

  • May 23, 2005, 4:44 p.m. CST

    oh and one more

    by pants009

    gods and generals...thank god there was intermission, cause I had to get out of there.

  • May 23, 2005, 4:44 p.m. CST

    walk outs

    by Right Bastard

    The most Walk Outs I've ever seen was on Pulp Fiction opening weekend, when the only thing people knew about the movie then was that it won at Cannes. I swear at least half of the packed theater walked out when Travolta was shooting up. I think I've only ones I've ever walked out on were "Troy" and "Spaced Invaders".

  • May 23, 2005, 4:48 p.m. CST

    I'll re-post too.

    by Right Bastard

    No, I won't see Sharkboy opening weekend, because I'm not 12 years old and I don't have kids (though, I'm not speaking any less of you who enjoy the Spy Kids). But I'll definately see "Sin City 2" opening weekend, or any other Rodreguez Rated-R movie.

  • May 23, 2005, 4:49 p.m. CST

    ...and how do you know it's "tripe"?

    by Right Bastard

    It hasn't even been released yet. I haven't seen them, but the target audience (little kids) seem to LOVE the Spy Kids movies.

  • May 23, 2005, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Anchorite, re: AICN Overhype

    by Ray Garraty #47

    Let's not forget Equilibrium, Cabin Fever, Blade 2 (rodriguez - natch), Shaolin Soccer, and MFing Bubba Ho Tep.

  • May 23, 2005, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Blade 2 was directed by Del Toro

    by Mars1

    I know they are both Hispanic but there is a couple of hundred pounds difference....

  • May 23, 2005, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Good catch Mars1

    by Ray Garraty #47

    But that still fits my argument because Del Toro is another "protected" filmmaker on this site (the aforementioned Hellboy - also overrated).

  • May 23, 2005, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Johnny Depp in SC2

    by Greenleaf1

    Johnny Depp was supposed to star in a 4th storyline for the first movie, but the story was cut (don't know what book it's in, cuz I haven't read any of them). From what I heard, Depp was told this story would be in Sin City 2. I'm all for this one, seeing Johnny Depp in Sin City would friggin rule, he's a great actor.

  • May 23, 2005, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Can we go through Pang Brothers films instead

    by Mars1

    And point out the Kwanseum Posal theme?

  • May 23, 2005, 5:33 p.m. CST

    anchorite, the only thing that will prove is your taste

    by Stubb-a-dubb

    OK, I understand people telling us their opinion about films and why they feel that way, but why do we continue to criticize people for their taste in film. I HATE HATE HATE Armageddon, Con Air and the like but I would never tell someone else they are wrong for liking them. Sure, in private I suspect that the reason I like a film like Sideways and they like films like Armageddon has to do with a lack of intelligence, but I'd never express it since they wouldn't understand what I was saying. Hell, do they even know how to read or write? All kidding aside, to each his own. I'm sure if you reflected long enough you would find films that you like that you would have difficulty justifying; we all do. There is absolutely no defendable reason I like "Killer Clowns from Outer Space", but somehow when I see it I feel compelled to watch it. Maybe not as much now as in the late 80s, but you get my point. Just try not to shit in my cereal because I liked a film you didn't and I'll try and do the same for you. Deal?

  • May 23, 2005, 6:09 p.m. CST

    I fucking walked out of Sin City

    by tiger_robot

    I hated it.

  • May 23, 2005, 6:11 p.m. CST

    by tiger_robot

    I don't like Frank Miller but I do like Rodriguez. Sin City didn't agree with me. It was cool looking but felt pointless.

  • May 23, 2005, 6:21 p.m. CST

    UH, kinda droppin' the ball here, aren't we?

    by killduhbassud

    Here's this long-ass talkback, and it's not until the last two entries that the topic veers off box-office, who'll-play-who, and the usual shit-slinging and onto something that actually has some direct relevance to most of us. "Sin City" is the kind of movie we won't see much of if the post 9-11 re-morilization brigade gets its way. Who are these people? I dunno who they are, not specifically, but damn if they don't get results. Remember "Taxi Driver"? "Clockwork Orange"? "The Exorcist"? Try making those movies today. Dare ya. Won't happen. Frank Miller's comments about violence in that interview were spot-on, but is anybody listening? Read the article again, notice how many words are given very patronizing quotes. Folks, the morons, with all their backwards and hypocritical ethical dictates, took over a long time ago. But we already knew that, didn't we? So why do we rake RR across the coals? "Sin City" isn't a perfect movie, no, but it's a hell of a lot better than the MAJORITY of crap out there. And yes, there's always crap out there, obviously, no matter what kind of political climate we have, and likewise the attempt to reign in the moral standards of popular entertainment is also the same old song and dance. But the movie industry, and storytelling in general, at least has the true potential to grow more sophisticated, but the "arguments" about our weakening moral fiber do not. For example, if movies have such a profound influence on the real world, why haven't we evolved into a Spielberg-esque utopia? Didn't a lot of his touchy-feely films have an impact? Anybody care?

  • May 23, 2005, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Holy artificially inseminated emo girls in a cod liver oil facto

    by Neosamurai85

    I have returned from my vacation

  • May 23, 2005, 6:31 p.m. CST

    dame to kill for is definitely bigger

    by therightclique

    dame is definitely a bigger story. not only that, but they deleted a number of scenes from the 3 stories in the first movie, so they could easily just do a dame to kill for completely uncut, and just inter-mingle it with stuff from family values or booze broads and bullets.

  • May 23, 2005, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Sin City was great

    by Thunderballs

    I thought Sin City was great, if only for the Marv story. The movie could have ended right after he died, and I still would call it the best movie I have seen this year. Spy Kids 3D was actually pretty good, and I like the way RR adhered to his mythos in those three films. I won't buy Spy Kids, but anytime it is on cable I am compelled to watch. Bring on Sin City 2 and Marv!!!

  • May 23, 2005, 6:52 p.m. CST

    No Style

    by Neosamurai85

    On the issue of excessive violence I have this to say about Miller

  • May 23, 2005, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Actually, NeoSamurai, I don't know about that.

    by FluffyUnbound

    You seem to be saying that realistic depictions of violence are good because they show the consequences of violence, and in doing so discourage negative behavior. You contrast this favorably with films that stylize or romanticize violence [as some could accuse Sin City or the Matrix of doing], which does not discourage and may encourage negative behavior. You know, maybe those films do in fact glamorize violence. Frankly, so what? By even talking about it in those terms you're conceding the main point of the censorship advocates. The demand that entertainment [or "art"] justify its existence by depicting an appropriate moral message is the core of the censorious impulse. Maybe I am just entertained by consequence-free violence. Maybe I am enthralled by depictions of aggression that make violence seem like a great idea and the perfect answer to all of life's problems, big and small. Maybe [like the audience of the Iliad, which Miller references] I subscribe to a worldview which finds in the mailed fist of violence the expression of the highest possibilities of a human type. Maybe I do all these things and more. But even if I do, none of the human excrement that make up Focus on the Family or any of the "Save The Chill'run!" groups get to have anything to say to me about it. The best anti-censorship argument is to look at the people volunteering to be censors and just let your inevitable contempt inform your reason. You could combine the leadership of those groups into one meta-person and there still wouldn't be enough human being there to have the right to tell me to come in out of the rain.

  • May 23, 2005, 7:29 p.m. CST


    by Neosamurai85

    Though I

  • May 23, 2005, 7:53 p.m. CST


    by Neosamurai85

    First off I apologize that I have not finished reading your reply as I post this. I came to this part and wished to respond immediately:

  • May 23, 2005, 7:59 p.m. CST


    by Neosamurai85

    In fairness, I await a reply from killduhbassud or any who can answer in place of. Also, for the record this in no way reflects my respect towards Miller and any who thinks otherwise I dare bring up the claim that talkbackers have no opinions of there own. Peace.

  • May 23, 2005, 8 p.m. CST


    by FluffyUnbound

    His argument does in fact make the same error. Unfortunately he may have not have felt free to offer the correct argument, which would be to simply hold both his middle fingers up in the air. I guess they wanted a quote, not a picture.

  • May 23, 2005, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Gran Theft Auto: Sin City?

    by TheJoker

  • May 23, 2005, 8:34 p.m. CST


    by Neosamurai85

    Well said fluffy, well said. Peace.

  • May 23, 2005, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Of course it'll get a sequel.

    by Grammaton Cleric

    I dug Sin City, and I know most of my friends didn't. Say what you want about RR, the dude craps out fun little B-flicks on the cheap...he's going to work forever. Try to meet a kid that DOESN'T want to see that Sharkboy and Lavagirl movie...I know that my daughter is forcing me to go. (RR's "dead hooker" sequence in Four Rooms will always be fucking aces in my book)

  • May 23, 2005, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Finished reading posts... and fighting off rabbid stray cat

    by Neosamurai85

    And again I do agree with you Fluffy. The bit about the

  • May 23, 2005, 9:09 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    What's this about now?

  • May 23, 2005, 9:22 p.m. CST


    by killduhbassud

    ...I honestly don't disagree that much with most of the recent comments. I'll defend my reading of the article only as far as this: we're given a handful of quotes, which may or may not be in context, but the references to the Iliad, the "monkey-see, monkey-do" theory, and Japanese culture (which might, admittedly, be a shaky bit of justification, as the Japanese are really no more- or less-fucked up than any other society; it's just that they tend to focus their most fucked-up energies into schoolgirl porn and restaurants that sell feces as an entree. I'm not making that up.) make absolute sense. I believe (quote me on the "believe" part) that Miller is making the argument that is the most relevant in the censorship issue: the audience should be discriminatory, and should be responsible for its discrimination. What they watch, how they percieve it, what stylized violence does vs. more realistic violence, etc., these are all valid topics, with no clear-cut conclusion yet. But it's my (and your) responsibility to figure out the impact of such things, for ourselves and for our children. Is some violence more exploitative than others? Absolutely, and I believe there can be a negative result from all kinds of media, be it violent, sexual, or neither. Honestly, how have boy bands not darkened your view of the human experiment? The modern censorship model is such that all individuals not involved in the decision making process are treated like children. Already problematic, but it's made worse by the fact that children are often more perceptive (and resilient) than we give them credit for being. The standards of living in society should not be set by its stupidest citizens, at least not if it wants to improve. And as for the decrease in morality in recent cinema, I neither agree nor disagree. The arts didn't come first in history, so you can't make the chicken or egg argument. More likely it is that this is just yet another reflection of our own decay and descent as a race. I hope somebody proves me wrong here, I'm not thrilled with doom or anything, but it sure does seem like the whole planet finds a way to get meaner and meaner, with or without the aid of David Fincher, Trent Reznor, or Frank Miller, doesn't it? Oh, and by the way, kudos on how civilized this talkback got, at least for a few minutes. Peace right back atcha.

  • May 23, 2005, 10:28 p.m. CST


    by Right Bastard

    thanks for the DVD info, hainesrs!

  • May 24, 2005, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Opinions are like assholes: this board has a lot of them.

    by KongMonkey

    Either you liked the flick or you didn't. I liked it cause it was something different than what they pour into theaters these days. Oscar worthy: no. Just a good old fashion fun to watch flick. If your into the Michael Bay "blow the shit out of everything" films or films that have to be "REALISTIC", than Sin City wasn't for you. You don't like it, thats your problem. I didn't like the corny acting in Episode III. Thats my problem. But I didn't walk out on it cause of that. (though that cheesy "hold me like you did by the lake" scene damn near made me)

  • May 24, 2005, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Rodriguez brings nothing to it. Let Frank Miller direct solo.

    by quantum_ken

    Seems to me all Rodriguez did was rip off the comic book frame for frame and play his fucking guitar.

  • May 24, 2005, 12:34 a.m. CST

    Heres some bitching of my own....

    by KongMonkey

    Cause thats about all some of you here can do. Clearly, RR and Frank Miller have more talent than anyone here will ever have. Thats why they're the ones making movies, and we're the ones sitting behind our computers. If you don't like it, do something beside bitch about it. If you've got better ideas for it or any kind of movie or comic book, by all means get off your fucking ass and go DO IT! Is it hard, hell yeah. But shit, if some guy you think has less talent than you can do it(Uwe Boll), then it should be a cake walk for ya. Since these talkbacks seem to have a lot of bitching going on, think I'll do a little of my own regarding the worshipped Star Wars films. Epidsode III by the way, only made the money it did cause of the one thing that supposedly made Sin City all of its money..."FANBOYS!" The ones that waste their lives away "dreaming" their off in a galaxy far far away waving around a plastic toy lightsaber as they wait in line three fucking months to see a two hour film. While the ones who actually have the fucking balls to stop dreaming and actually do it are taking "real" trips into space aboard space shuttles, or are out there bringing their fantasies and dreams and shit to the big screen to create MORE fanboys. So please, for the love of your God(a.k.a Lucas) stop rubbing and playing with your little lightsabers and do something with your life that doesn't involve collecting every single bit of merchandise from a series of films that was good back in the eighties, or wearing kirk suits and spock ears out in public and mimicking every scene from a movie with little action figures and sets made from styrofoam and cardboard. BTW: Klingons look like somebody just took a massive shit on their foreheads. Live long a prosper BITCHES!

  • May 24, 2005, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Re-cast Shellie!

    by Burgundy82

    Jesus tittyfucking Christ.. end the debate. Sin City was the tits. Those who oppose are in the vast minority, and these sequels are getting made and that's all that matters. Depp will be in it, and it will rock hard balls. My only plea is for RR to re-cast Shellie. Brittany Murphy took me out of the movie with "Dwight.. you fool.... you damn fool...." I fept hoping RR owuld cut away and he didn't.. that was excruciating

  • May 24, 2005, 1:03 a.m. CST

    and another thing...

    by Burgundy82

    Look, this movie pleased about 90 percent of it's target audience.. namely, us.. and most of us dug it.. every movie has its haters, even the godfather. dont argue with these dumb bastards, you're never going to convince somebody that something he hated was good...

  • May 24, 2005, 1:07 a.m. CST


    by Burgundy82

    and damn it, i know "vast minority" doesent make sense, before somebody gets smart.

  • May 24, 2005, 2:26 a.m. CST

    okay burgandy82 (or anyone else that liked SC) help me out here.

    by payton 34

    Well it's obvious from my posts here that I was more than a little let down with the movie. I felt the acting (except for a couple of exceptions) was really bad, the cg was barely passable, and the story was almost non-existant. But you obviously loved it. I'm not taking the piss here, I would really liike to hear from you what exactly it was that made you love it. Thanks.

  • May 24, 2005, 3:14 a.m. CST

    "Sin City" amatuer music vid

    by carrotfire

    Comments/criticisms (constructive) welcome If the link stops working, contact me ( and I can send you a copy directly

  • May 24, 2005, 3:37 a.m. CST

    Why I loved Sin City

    by Stubb-a-dubb

    Sin City exists so that people will pay for their sins with a vengeance. We enter so that we can bear witness to the retribution. In light of this we can throw out the need for every character to be fully fleshed out; many of them better serve our purposes by existing only as caricatures of evil. Others are given dimension, though only as much dimension as we require, so that we can better identify their motivations and feel a tiny bit of their pain. When reading the comic I found myself somewhat affected by Marv's resolve to avenge Goldie, by how much a single night of affection from a prostitute had meant to him. I'd forgotten those feelings by the time I saw the film and found myself moved all over again. More than anything I am thrilled by a world where someone like Marv can exist, a beast of such determination that no amount of bullets, police or anything else is capable of stopping him. I witnessed a monster's head literally reduced to pulp, not to mention his unmentionables. All that matters here is vengeance, and the bloodier the better. This is a film that knows exactly what it wants to be and doesn't bother with any window dressing. The comic books were very much straight forward and this is finally one film that doesn't say "I must somehow change this material to make it more like other films." It maintains all the violence, humor, gore and everything else directly from the writer with no compromise. It manages to be so faithful in retaining its style by creating a new style of cinema. Sure there are several moments that are obvious CG, but in such a cartoonish albeit dark world it doesn't feel intrusive. It accomplishes establishing the shot that it intended to create regardless of its identifiability as a special effect. The movie made a very strong positive impression on me. The majority of the actors captured what I'd felt in my mind was the essence of these characters (Michael Madsen was unfortunately an exception). Yes, I did have an existing attachment to the source material, but more often than not this is a hindrance. Usually when I'm extremely hyped about a film I walk out disappointed, but this was one of those rare exceptions were I ended up enjoying it far more than I ever would have imagined. At this point in my life I find myself feeling increasingly jaded; when I saw this movie I felt like I did when I was 8 walking out of Ghostbusters, or when I was 13 walking out of Batman, or the first time I saw Reservoir Dogs, or when I discovered City of Lost Children. I felt like a child again. A child whose brain would never fully be the same as a result of the intense barrage of constant carnage, but a child none-the-less.

  • May 24, 2005, 3:53 a.m. CST

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    by Thirteen 13

    Sin City rocked. It was the first movie that I actually paid money to go see this year, which why box office receipts have been in such a slump, because so much crap flooding is the market and multiplexes. I also heard some internet rumors that they are going to shoot Sin city 2 and 3 back to back. This isn't confirmed though as far as I know.

  • May 24, 2005, 6:09 a.m. CST

    Most walkouts I ever saw

    by Flipao

    Waking Life, lost count. :)

  • May 24, 2005, 9:27 a.m. CST

    I will never know how many walked out of my theatre during Wakin

    by FluffyUnbound

    Because I have no way to know how many people left after I did. I think Waking Life was a record-setter in terms of the time needed for someone to determine they wanted to walk out. I saw people tough it out through a hundred minutes of The Doors or Thin Red Line before finally surrendering and leaving. People were leaving Waking Life seven or eight minutes in to it. I myself lasted barely twenty-five.

  • May 24, 2005, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Payton 34

    by Burgundy82

    I loved the Sin City movie because I am a Miller fan, a Sin City comic fan, a RR fan, and a big Clive Owen fan. Put them together and add the fact that it's the most literal and faithful page to screen adaptation in film history, with an EXCELLENT cast (with the exception of Brittany Murphy, as I said before.).. I mean seriously, go back and read the graphic novels.. everybody's a dead ringer for their character. The movie is gritty, and action-packed. The dialougue was heavy and dramatic when it was supposed to be, and comedic or over the top where it was supposed to be. The crowd laughed and cheered in all the right spots. The CGI didn't bother me, because it's basicaly a cartoon anyway.. I mean look at what Marv survives in that flick, he's Wylie Coyote or Daffy Duck. Don't go to a comic book movie ot see realism. Guys can't really shoots webs out of their hands either, but no one had a problem with that flick. Oh wait, yah they did, because theres always someone who hates it. Especially on talk-backs.

  • May 24, 2005, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Waking Life

    by Burgundy82

    .. was brilliant, but admittedly, better viewed at home. Most people just cant hang with a movie like that unless they know they can bail anytime they want. Watch it all the way through sometime. Damn people, appreciate art, or people that at least make something different. Waking Life was thought-provoking, I've been trying to have lucid dreams ever since i saw it, but no dice. My friend has them all the time. Plus, the animation in that flick was cool and without it, we woudnt have A Scanner Darkly coming soon. Linklater is a god among men.

  • May 24, 2005, 9:48 a.m. CST

    73+ million.....

    by RezE11even

    For an R rated film with a budget of under 40 million that's advertised for a very specific market(and in black and white, no less) is one hell of a profit. Not to mention that it still needs to be released around the rest of the world, and then the DVD sales. For what it is, this film is doing fantastic money wise. And it was fucking great.

  • May 24, 2005, 11:39 a.m. CST

    I think the sequel should be called "Sin City II: More Boobs" s

    by hulkhogan

    "Jessica Alba should be naked in this one, BROTHER"

  • May 24, 2005, 12:48 p.m. CST

    fair enough burgandy82....

    by payton 34

    I although I didn't go to Sin City (a comic book movie) for its realism. I've been working in the comic industry for fifteen years now so I'm completely tainted from that. Haha. I guess my biggest beef was I saw what Sin City could have been if RR had given it all his attention instead of just 50%. You are right though, the Marv stuff really worked as I think Mickey was the only actor that really wrapped his head around the context of the movie. I do respect your opinon and maybe RR will surpirse me the next go around. Fingers crossed.

  • May 24, 2005, 1:06 p.m. CST

    i think this movie proved that you can be too faithful to a comi

    by HypeEndsHere

    I enjoyed the movie, but making it a strict adaptation really revealed Miller's writing flaws.

  • May 24, 2005, 1:23 p.m. CST

    payton 34

    by Right Bastard

    I was re-reading your posts, and you called the first Sin City dreck, and such. A lot of people here have said what they love about this movie. I really think they got the feeling of the comic spot-on. You said you work in comics, and you think RR has potential. I was just wondering what you didn't like about the film. What didn't work for you? I'm just curious.

  • May 24, 2005, 2:17 p.m. CST

    well right bastard let me tell you...

    by payton 34

    for me it all boils down to one word-inconsistent. RR is pretty well known for the speed at which he works and couple that with the fact he was shooting another movie at the same time we ended up with a film that greatly suffered from his lack of attention. It's because of his speed that he can get so many big names involved. He brings them in, shoots them out and they go home. Of course this means very few takes and with the kind of dialogue Sin City had, this was very obvious. The only actors who I thought handled it well were Clive and Mickey, everyone else sounded forced and a little lost sometimes even laughable..miss Murphy cough far as the cg goes I realize that the world is supposed to be comic booky and I appreciate that. the only problem for me was that it was all over the board. At times it looked great, very stylish and moody. Other times it looked like a video game. Ouch. I also felt that there just wasn't enough material there to make a solid feature. To many plot points from the three stories seemed too similiar. This of course worries me for the sequals becasue I have read the graphic novels and the three best ones were in Sin City. My biggest pet peeve with thses kind of cg-world movies is the complete lack of enviornment. Sky Captain suffered from it as did Sin City. How hard would it have been to turn on a fan when Jude Law was standing on the heli pad, and how hard would it have been to add some wind sound when Bruce was sneaking up to the barn? Seriously, if this had been a talk back about some other crappy movie directed by a no talent director than I wouldn't even have chimed in..but I like RR. he's hugley talented and I think that had he taken a bit more time Sin City could have been amazing. For what's it worth, there's my two cents.

  • May 24, 2005, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Waking Out

    by Neosamurai85

    I think Burgundy82 did a fine job defending Waking Life, so I

  • May 24, 2005, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Oh, and I don

    by Neosamurai85

    Good points payton 34. Sin could have been a hell of a lot better. I admit I

  • May 24, 2005, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Most walkouts I experienced

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    was Boogie Nights, but that was just funny, made me wonder if people even bothered to know what the movie was about before they went to see it.

  • May 24, 2005, 4:40 p.m. CST

    "made me wonder if people even bothered to know what the movie w

    by Neosamurai85

    Damn good point. I think that is the number one factor of walkouts. Might be wrong, but it seem pretty likely. Peace.

  • May 24, 2005, 4:55 p.m. CST


    by Yo_SheBitch

    I think the most walkouts I experienced recently was in Punch Drunk Love! Honestly! And believe it or not, after watching (and loving) the whole movie I came out to the lobby to see a couple of guys asking for their money back after sitting through the whole movie! I believe if you don't leave within the first half you shouldn't be eligible for a refund. "Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong" to quote Dennis Miller. As for myself, the only thing of recent years I remember walking out on was Blue Crush. It was a test screening about six months before the movie was released so I had no idea what it was. And when approached by the marketing guy I was told that the movie was "an action adventure pic" Do you believe that horseshit?! I left after the fifth music video in that piece of crap and gladly told the marketing lady why I was leaving when she asked me on my way out - "Because your people misrepresented the movie. If I was told this was going to be a surfing movie I never would have come." But speaking of Sin City 2 & 3, I'm there. Loved the first one.

  • May 24, 2005, 6:01 p.m. CST

    I walked out of Chronicles of Ridddick...

    by Hellhouse

    ...but who didnt, really?

  • May 24, 2005, 6:21 p.m. CST

    My problem with haters...

    by comealive1288

    The same people that say SC was a mindless piece of drivel are the same ones that liked Napoleon Dynamite and Saved. These assholes think everything with violence and tits(i.e. content that might actually appeal to an audience) is nothing but "drivel for the masses." Everyone who I saw SC with(a completely filled theatre, with senior citizens and parents) loved it and applauded its more comedic moments. The people here who doubt a sequel are probably panting over "Layer Cake 2: X-Men Fans Are Fucked."

  • May 24, 2005, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Easy with that scattergun comealive1288

    by Neosamurai85

    I for one liked Saved. I also loved Sin City. I'm critical but not a hater. So watch where you point that thing! Peace.

  • May 24, 2005, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Hey comealive you dip shit....

    by payton 34

    read the posts. Most of the people that didn't like Sin City did so because of the quality of production and not because in contained violence and nudity (yes that's right nudity, not tits). And the only way you would know if there was parents in the theatre was if they brought their kids, and if they brought their kids to Sin City they are as big a moron as you.

  • May 24, 2005, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Sin City UK Premiere

    by ShoulderDevil

    Just saw the Sin City Premiere show on tv, and damn Madonna turns up out of the F$

  • May 25, 2005, 10:40 a.m. CST


    by Right Bastard

    Thanks for your opinion. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I really think the pulled off the CG, but maybe I'm less picky (in this case). Not because I'm a RR fan, but probably because I'm a Sin City fan. You could be rigth, and maybe I'm not seeing the flaws; but after the crap that was Constantine, Hitchhiker's Guide, DareDevil, Catwoman, and Hellboy...maybe I'm a little too willing to let some imperfections slide. I do agree that at first it seemed like Madsen and Willis couldn't get into that dialogue, and Alba can's act her way out of a paper bag (and FF is probably going to suck); but once it picked up I didn't even notice. I don't know, I really enjoyed the movie. I saw it three times.

  • May 25, 2005, 10:41 a.m. CST


    by Right Bastard

    that was in response to Payton34

  • May 25, 2005, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Bad dropoff? SC dropped 51% in its second weekend, that's a dec

    by minderbinder

    And I don't think walkouts mean anything, I've seen people walk out on every kind of movie, good or bad. It's stupid to make delcarations of How The Public Felt, because none of us know. There's no question that some people hated Sin City, but others loved it. So it's controversial and devisive. It's a niche movie. But since it's so cheap, it doesn't need to pander to lowest common denominator to make big money. So you didn't like it. Others did. Move on already.

  • May 26, 2005, 11:47 a.m. CST

    What I don't get...

    by SonOfJorel when people use their own personal experience to gauge the entire public's reaction. A couple of people had walkouts and haven't heard good opinions of it from people out in the real world. So what? I've gotten nothing but great feedback and had zero walkouts all four times I went. Once again, so what? The fact is that it was successful enough with enough good feedback to get not one but two sequels greenlighted. I'd say that that pretty much renders a few walkouts and an "it sucked" or two moot.

  • May 28, 2005, 2:40 p.m. CST

    RE: Cinema walkouts

    by Aligator

    I really have to say, i&#39;ve never seen anyone walk out of a cinema, ever, i&#39;m in Dublin and am starting to get the feeling that it&#39;s an American thing, (let&#39;t put it this way, i saw "nothing but trouble" with John Candy, the film made me want to slit me wrists it was so shite, but nobody walked out. Is there anyone else here from outside the US/Canada that has experienced this?