May 14, 2005, 5:40 a.m. CST
It was the first film I saw in the Cinema and I think it would help to explain alot about me if you met me. I saw DC1 about six months ago for the first time in years and some of it is a bit crap but mostly it's fricking cool. Bring on another I say.
May 14, 2005, 5:41 a.m. CST
by GCU Grey Area
I LOVED the original - got it on DVD the moment it became available, and it's on my regular watch list. Oh, please, don't let this be a hideous foul-up, let it be as magical again! Oh, and, apparently, FIRST... For what it's worth.
May 14, 2005, 5:41 a.m. CST
by GCU Grey Area
May 14, 2005, 5:42 a.m. CST
"Michael Bay presents... DARK CRYSTAL 2005 X-TREME". "Coming next summer: DARK CRYSTAL VERSUS DARK CITY - directed by Uwe Conran".
May 14, 2005, 5:48 a.m. CST
It's okay but Bowie is pretty terrible in it as are all the song and dance routines. The helping hands are cool though. Dark Crystal is much better in my opinion, I deals with death and personal sacrifice well and you got to see those Muppets get their Life Force sucked out of them, that was some dark shit for a three year old to handle. Hopefully Lucas will handle any CG required on this with Frank Oz directing.
May 14, 2005, 5:53 a.m. CST
...they get FRANK OZ to direct! Oh, and I seem to recall they had a voice over on the climax of the film, don't do that again! It wasn't bad during the film as exposition, but the climax of a film should ALWAYS speak for itself without an omniscient voice telling us what it means.
May 14, 2005, 5:55 a.m. CST
absolutely NO CGI on the main characters! I can live with it if they do big background scenes with CGI, but the characters HAVE to be muppets!
May 14, 2005, 5:56 a.m. CST
Seriously. The physical sculpture of the creature shop puppets is the best part of Henson films. The CGI in the Mirrormask trailer seems to muddy it all up. There should be NO CGI in DK2. CGI would ruin the aesthetic.
May 14, 2005, 6:01 a.m. CST
Unless This is Done PERFECTLY this can go soooooooooooooooooooooo Wrong!!!!!!!!!!!
May 14, 2005, 6:05 a.m. CST
And would take alot longer to make. if they go the CG route they can nail all the individual performances of Puppeteers then comp them all into the same shot. Also all the rods and wires can be removed. I wouldn't be suprised if the elf like creatures were completely CG either, they showed the least amount of emotion in the original. With technology being where it's at and the fact that this is a kids movie and kids are used to CGI not puppets, I'd expect to see a Gollum like CG performance.
May 14, 2005, 6:33 a.m. CST
By The Way Does Anyone Know what Harlan Ellison thought of Peter Jackson's Motion Picture version of The Lord of The Rings Trilogy?
May 14, 2005, 6:34 a.m. CST
by Mr Chuff
I'm 31 now, it came out when?? You work out how old I was and blah blah... but I havent seen it since. I've often thought about hiring the DVD just to see if it is/was as good as I remembered but I got stung like a that a few weeks ago when Dragonslayer was on TV. Saw that in the flicks and it was awesome but now... poo poo pong pong.
May 14, 2005, 6:38 a.m. CST
I have a complicated love for the original. On the one hand, it's immensely boring during long stretches. On the other hand, it's such a beautiful and ambitious piece of cinema that you can't help but love it and all the incredible work that went into making the thing. I too watch it regularly, but in this age of CGI it's more to gape incredulously at the craftsmanship on display rather than enjoying it as a story-driven film. The production design alone is staggering. If they do make a sequel, the purpose would be defeated if CGI were employed since I firmly believe the power of The Dark Crystal lies in its lush, obviously hand-crafted nature. While on the subject, who here can deny that Julia Roberts and Monica Potter are gelflings?
May 14, 2005, 6:44 a.m. CST
As anyone who has seen The Dark Crystal knows the Ending Does Not Leave The Door open for a Sequel so just what is The Power of The Dark Crystal going about? Does The Crystal crack Again???
May 14, 2005, 6:46 a.m. CST
I was two years old when I saw this (unless it got a later UK release) but has stayed in my memory for a long time.
May 14, 2005, 6:57 a.m. CST
I'll get my ticket on Fandango right now.
May 14, 2005, 7:17 a.m. CST
...Was Henson. Fucking cried out loud and long when Kermit died, you bet.
May 14, 2005, 7:21 a.m. CST
I enjoyed the first one well enough and it's even the g/f's favorite film, but do we really need a sequel? I think Henson told the tale he wanted to tell. Even if its a prequel - ugh - I can't see this idea working...
May 14, 2005, 7:35 a.m. CST
Puppets & Muppets... That's all I need.
May 14, 2005, 8:12 a.m. CST
... and I
May 14, 2005, 8:17 a.m. CST
I'm a huge fan of this movie moreover because as has rightfully been said the craftsmanship and care that was taken in giving it an otherwordly feel (just look up "The World of the Dark Crystal" showing Brian Frouds conceptual art for the movie and more of a back story to the world of Arda)It was the first of its kind, an animated live action film right for its time and still holds up today. But audiences now are so much more aware as far as SFX are concerned and in turn more jaded maybe even cynical. The Dark Crystal was a spectacle in its day and terrified me as a child a reason why I enjoy it now so much. If they do go ahead I just hope as much thought is put into it as the original (that one was in development from 1975 till its 1982 screening) As the Chamberlain would say though "HmmmMMMMMmmmm"
May 14, 2005, 8:44 a.m. CST
What do you mean Jennifer Connelly was gorgeous then? she's gorgeous now! besides she was fifteen years old "then". "Ageing sucks, dosen't it?" this is probably coming from the mouth of a sixteen year old.Honestly sometimes the ageism on these boards staggers me, she's only THIRTY FIVE! for heavens sake!!
May 14, 2005, 8:46 a.m. CST
I'd drink her bathtub water.
May 14, 2005, 9:46 a.m. CST
... that a sequel, even a bad sequel (which we DON'T know if this will be, give 'em a chance, kee-ryste) does not invalidate a good movie. Exhibit A: the Indy Jones flicks. Now, then. The article (nice going, O Reporter, that you couldn't be bothered to click through a fifteen-second ad and summarize) also mentions an animated series and interactive games to follow. So what they're trying to do is reinvent it as a franchise. Will it work? Dunno. Also dunno how they're going to "split" the crystal, so that will be key. If it's handled well, it could be great. If not, it'll deservedly fail BUT NOT INVALIDATE THE ORIGINAL. Jeez. P.S.: Count me very, very much on the Jennifer-Connelly-is-gorgeous bandwagon, but I think some of you are mistakenly attributing to age what should be more reasonably ascribed to weight loss. She's gone damn near anorexic as of late, and, like Christina Ricci, I think she looks much, MUCH better with a little baby fat on her. Which is a whole 'nother topic about the twisted images and self-images of women in this country, and there isn't enough server space in the universe to have that conversation this morning....
May 14, 2005, 10:05 a.m. CST
The first one was a marvel of production design, but not much else. They should come up with a compelling story to go along with it. Has potential to be really cool.
May 14, 2005, 10:43 a.m. CST
I say this for a few reasons: consider the typical Golan-Globus budget of a buck fifty, and then admire how the script carefully reuses locations and sets without belaboring it or making it seem idiotic. Also note how the script sticks to being a movie, not tossing in everything from the cartoon they can find but being careful with what they use. Essentially, considering the limits imposed, the script and construction of that movie are better than they have any right to be whatsoever.
May 14, 2005, 10:45 a.m. CST
by Osmosis Jones
The Dark Crystal is a breathtakingly beautiful film that still holds water today, but sequelizing it twenty+ years later smacks of Disney direct-to-video bullshit, especially if CGI is going to be employed (which you damn well know it will). The reason the original is so great is precisely *because* the characters are so obviously puppets (although exquistitely-rendered and performed puppets).
Pazuzu, Monica Potter and Julia Roberts are most definitely gelflings. docfalken, Jennifer Connely is most definitely piece of ass. but filker-tom I like her starving to death and skinny as hell- her tits look bigger. just had to respond to those. Now. Dark Crystal, Labyrinth and Neverending Story. The only one I actually saw as a kid was Neverending Story, so thats probably why it wins the triple threat match that is going on inside my head. Dark Crystal was pinned in the first few seconds, although that is probably because I barely heard about it until college, and it does indeed suck to watch as an adult. Now Labyrinth I did hear about as a kid, and wanted to see worse than anything. Just never got to. Upon seeing it though, I knew that it would have been good if I had seen it earlier. Probably better than Dark Crystal, though I guess I cant say that for sure. So Neverending Story wins. Labyrinth a close second. Dark Crystal a not-so-distant third. Let me just close by saying I am a fucking dork. And that you can expect me to never employ pro-wrestling analogies again, because that is just booty.
May 14, 2005, 11:13 a.m. CST
by The PimpDragon
So, maybe that's what this will be. If you read "The World of the Dark Crystal" - fantastic book, btw - there is plenty of story to tell about how the crystal cracked and the races that inhabited that planet before it fell to darkness. It could be cool - if done with the same care, patience and attention to detail that was found in the original film. But if they just rush this thing, it will suck. These creatures, this world - it needs a STORY that takes time to develop its characters and locations. The first film worked so well because it did just this. Every frame was filled with information about the characters and their various lands. Here's hoping Henson's crew can do this for this film.
May 14, 2005, 11:13 a.m. CST
by Nice Marmot
Seriously though, don't do DC2, just do a totally different story.
by the way Zardoz I know for a fact that you have seen Sean Connery in latex diapers. you cannot escape my judgement.
May 14, 2005, 11:39 a.m. CST
by George Newman
Good God, can you imagine what the LOTR would have been like if it was full of puppets??!! It would be wonderfully hilarious! However, I am torn on the inside on whether I prefer the coolness of the CGI and orc costumes of the films, or the hilarious possiblities of puppets.
May 14, 2005, 12:02 p.m. CST
Not to be a sad Dark Crystal geek or anything, but I think her name was Aughra, not Ulgra. God help me.
May 14, 2005, 12:10 p.m. CST
That is so fucking perfect! I have always thought that myself!
May 14, 2005, 12:22 p.m. CST
...but I don't like the idea of a sequel. The ending wrapped things up so nicely - it was almost religious the way the unity between the light and the dark forces happened at the aligning of the moons. This movie was the inspiration for my website / production studio name: http://www.blackshard.com ...come to think of it, if it's being remade, I wanna get on board.
May 14, 2005, 12:32 p.m. CST
by Right Bastard
I have complete confidence. When you go back and watch "Storytellers", you know they can be daring. Also, with "MirrorMask", they must still have people at the company willing to take chances. I can't wait.
May 14, 2005, 12:51 p.m. CST
Seriously, we have 'Muppet Treasure Island', 'Muppets In Space'... Kermit and Fozzie as Sam and Frodo, That little shrimp guy for Gollum, Gonzo as Saruman (or even the two old heckler guys), and Tim Curry as Gandalf. Oh, and DC and Labyrinth both rocked.
May 14, 2005, 1:24 p.m. CST
As reported on Dark Horizons "A Brief Synopsis of the Film... When Jen and Kira welcome a fiery and unexpected visitor to their castle they learn that the very existence of the U-mun people, who live in the searing heat of the centre of the earth, is threatened by the death of their sun. There is apparently only one thing powerful enough to heal the ailing star - a shard of the Crystal. The Gelflings flatly refuse the request for a fragment and the desperate visitor takes matters into her own hands and steals one, making a hasty escape through tunnels deep in the bowels of the castle. So begins an adventure that will see love and goodness triumph over evil and re-introduce cinema-goers to a host of indelible characters including the mystic Ur-sol, Aughra the one-eyed seer, the evil Skeksis and their crab-like and violent Garthim foot soldiers." Sorry to sound so cynical but this sounds to me like the Henson company is simply trying to ride the wave of fantasy films started by the success of TLOTR. The Dark Crystal represents the company's great attempt in the genre. Why not ressurect it and see if it will make money for the ailing production company? Making a sequel is never the mark of an innovative dynamic production company; it is always the sign of a company reaching into their established successes to produce something they see as less of a risk than a complete unknown commodity.
May 14, 2005, 1:54 p.m. CST
by payton 34
I do respect your opinion but the reality is the Henson company hasn't really been knocking people's socks off lately. They don't have deep pockets and I'm sure that is why they are going back to a project that we can see here is loved by a lot of people. If the film succeeds, and it'd be great if it does, I'm sure you will see original ideas coming from them. Just a thought.
May 14, 2005, 2:09 p.m. CST
I loved Henson. The man was a genious. It still bothers me to think he died so young. What amazing things he would have accomplished, things we will never know. I think a major problem that the Henson company faces now, however, is that CGI has utterly taken over effects in movie making. We all respect the work done by Henson's puppeters (and also by the likes of Harryhausen) but they represent the history of fantasy movie making not the present and certainly not the future. Henson's company must evolve to stay relevant. Proving that they can still do what they did in the past--muppet and puppet and animatronic type movies--will not launch them into the future. It is a sad reality. I do hope I am wrong. (also sad to say that even characters such as Kermit, Miss Piggy, etc, are losing their relevancy. My kids are 16, 13, and 10. They feel no attachment to those characters.
May 14, 2005, 2:13 p.m. CST
by Blok Narpin
This movie better be good!
May 14, 2005, 2:43 p.m. CST
The original Dark Crystal is an amazing feat, a whole fantastic world created completely by hand. And boring as hell. I don't have the same nostalgic attachment as some because for some reason I was never able to see it as a kid. But every time I try to watch it as an adult I fall asleep. The thing that is great about this movie is the world that they created for it, I think we can all agree on that. Therefore it's natural to make a sequel, another story about what goes on in that world. Hopefully this time the protagonists will be compelling, their adventures will be thrilling, and the whole thing will be satisfying. If not, oh well, neither was the first one so there's nothing really to mar here. As for CGI, it would be stupid not to use some CGI to add detail to the world. I just hope all the primary characters are puppets. (And the gelflings better be less Thunderbirdy.)
May 14, 2005, 3 p.m. CST
Awesome. Celebrate. Good.
May 14, 2005, 3:20 p.m. CST
by payton 34
It will definitely be interesting to see what they do with this project. Hopefully they will surprise us both and create something amazing that will stick with your kids like Jim's work did with us.
May 14, 2005, 3:56 p.m. CST
The Dark Crystal was a brilliant film and to this day has some of the most alien looking scenery in any movie. It is much better that the pathetic Labyrinth. I have always wanted a sequal, And so I am delighted to hear this news BUT I agree that it should be done properly or it will become a waste of time.
May 14, 2005, 4:50 p.m. CST
That is all.
May 14, 2005, 5:08 p.m. CST
May 14, 2005, 5:41 p.m. CST
why would frank oz not be involved in this?
May 14, 2005, 6:20 p.m. CST
Lest we forget.
May 14, 2005, 6:24 p.m. CST
By the way, there's no commentary track on the TA dvd. Bummer.
May 14, 2005, 6:50 p.m. CST
I think a lot of the charm of the original was that it was done live. HAND IN SUIT! HAND IN SUIT!
haha. Thandie Newton. sex with muppets. talkbackers are getting funnier every day. Does anyone remember the Jim Henson hour? I think it was on ABC a long time ago. It was one of the first tv shows that I scheduled my life around...WOW. gave away a little too much there. fuck it I'm drunk.
May 14, 2005, 7:45 p.m. CST
it was cancelled mere weeks before Jim Henson's tragic Death at Age 56. SIGH
Dark Crystal kicks Labyrinth's ass. Masters of the Universe and Supergirl are awful. They don't even qualify as "good bad" movies. I'm open-minded about a Dark Crystal sequel.
thanks Ines. that is sad. good show. good guy.
May 14, 2005, 10:15 p.m. CST
by Right Bastard
Unless Brian Froud is involved, this will be crap.
May 14, 2005, 10:21 p.m. CST
by The Librarian
hahahahahaha! i thought that maybe i was the only child that felt the stirrings of a hard on as a child as i gazed upon the delicate features of said muppet. oh, how i longed for her! seriously, though, we suffer from a weird brand of neurosis... i loved the first, hope the second one is good, and can anyone tell me what is the difference between a muppet and a puppet- if there is one. gracias.
May 14, 2005, 10:41 p.m. CST
I curse CGI. It already ruined the artistic integrity of many science fiction movies like Star Wars, particulary the character of Yoda. And what's next? The Dark Crystal? Please don't go any further! I can't believe a movie could be shot in this day of age without using CGI to half ass everything.
May 14, 2005, 11:57 p.m. CST
by Bouncy X
the difference between a muppet and a puppet is copyright infringement
May 15, 2005, 1:40 a.m. CST
by Dr. Omega
From Cinescape.com: "The Jim Henson Co. is working on the sequel to THE DARK CRYSTAL. The film will be called THE POWER OF THE DARK CRYSTAL. The story is set many years after the first film. Original heroes Jen and Kira are now king and queen, and must fight to save their kingdom when the crystal is once again split. David Odell and Annette Duffy wrote the script. No director is yet attached. POWER will be a combination of live-action animatronic characters with CG animation. The Henson Co. plans to start shooting this fall and hopes to release the film in 2007."
May 15, 2005, 2:01 a.m. CST
by Harry Coin
hopefully the sequel will psychologicaly scar a new generation of bed wetters.
May 15, 2005, 3:10 a.m. CST
The Dark Crystal is a gem. It is a movie I loved as a child and was obscure, dark, and inspiring. As an artist, I continue to praise the film on it's visuals. Just as with Labyrinth and The Secret of Nimh, I view it as a stand-alone movie. Sadly, Nimh got a sequel (and though I have not seen it, it looked to childish compared to its mature theatrical predecessor). With a Dark Crystal sequel, I don't want to see a "if you loved this last time, you'll love it this time!" type flick. Return to Neverland lost my interest in the first half hour (one of the rare times I've ever given up on a DVD and returned it immediately to the video rental place). Here's what I am hoping for:********** 1) Puppet animation true to the prestine quality of it's original. If CG is used, then I hope it is in the same way that is used to enhance live action films (subtle and not noticeable).******** 2) Story. As I recall, Dark Crystal was made up as they went along. There was no script when they started making it. Though this states that the author of it is back, hmmm... I hope this isn't just a money grab romp in the forest. And part of me thinks it will be true to what fans would want and expect.******** 3) Dark. Mature enough for the adults, and just dark enough to spook the kids a little. I don't want to see this dumbed down.******** I TRUST Jim Henson studios. Is Gary Kurtz involved too? I hope this works. I want my arm hairs to stand up when I see this film. And I will see this film. Good luck, guys, plunge into the fantasy and may you weave wonderful magic.
May 15, 2005, 3:12 a.m. CST
You nitpicking folks tend to forget there was a whole planet unto themselves. Want more proof? The Ewoks were not the only race of aliens on the planet Endor...there were Yuzzem, Gorax, Teek(not sure of race), etc....I'm hoping Brian Henson jumps on board this puppy. He did wonders with FARSCAPE, he can reclaim his fathers magic. Get Lucas involved too, since he was involved on the first one, and 'Labryinth.' Hell, even McCallum should jump on this. He produced that 'DreamChild' film that featured Henson created creatures from 'Alice in Wonderland' and has an association with the Henson Co.
May 15, 2005, 4:02 a.m. CST
by L. Duderino
Big fan of the original. Had a minor crush on Jen. First DVD owned. Brian Froud & Frank Oz involved would be cool, but I'm sure there are some very talented people at Henson ready to make their mark. Straight-to-video doom lurks, but Henson is not Disney (even if Disney tried to make it so). Have faith, gelflings!
May 15, 2005, 10:49 a.m. CST
by Mel Garga
Boomshay....boomshay boomshay boomshay...........
May 15, 2005, 10:57 a.m. CST
How old was she when Laybrinth was made - 15 ? Doesn't matter. Pretty clear early on that she was going to be hot. Who knew that little girl would end playing a strung out junkie doing an "ass to ass" scene for drugs.
May 15, 2005, 4:31 p.m. CST
by L. Duderino
I meant to say "minor crush on KIRA". Jen is such a girly-name and it's been a while since I last saw... aw hell, OK, I'm gay.
May 15, 2005, 4:58 p.m. CST
Dark Crystal is so much better than Labyrinth! I love them both but it's no contest! I can't wait for this...I've always wanted a sequel~
May 15, 2005, 9:18 p.m. CST
by Warlock One
Was the Dark Crystal not a complete story with a beginning, middle, and solid end? Were there any obvious plot threads left hanging? Could you even write a script envolving the crystal that woudln't rob the original of something? Just- why do this? I mean, any year when we're doing re-makes of both The Bad News Bears and The Dukes of Hazard, we're clearly scraping the bottom of the barrel idea-wise, but... why? Why, Brian Henson, why? Are there no other good books out there awaiting Muppet Workshop magic? No hungry young screenwriters envisioning new worlds? Have we become so bereft of imagination that even the famous Muppets are going for some studio hack's idea of a sure bet rather than trying to do something new and interesting?
May 15, 2005, 10:56 p.m. CST
The First one freakin' rocked, and changed the way I watched movies, but a sequel, without Jom Henson....well..I won't cast judgement now...I'll give it the benefit of the doubt...
May 16, 2005, 7:06 p.m. CST
and this is one of them. And not because it was such a classic. But because it just sucked. I simply remember it as one of the worst movies I've ever seen. I had no idea so many fans were out there. It takes all kinds.
May 16, 2005, 9:45 p.m. CST
Bunch of filthy, money grubbing whores! Jim Henson himself said that there should never be a sequel or prequel to this film, and now, what is the JHC doing? MAKING A FUCKING SEQUEL! Why? Money. Read some articles on it. They're going to follow the movie with a merchandising blitz. There is no punishment too severe for this. CGI will utterly ruin the tangible magic that the first one had. There is no possible way that this sequel will ever be a pimple on the ass of the REAL Dark Crystal, which was a cinematic masterpiece. Not without an act of God or Jim Henson, anyway. Rot in Hell, you filthy, filthy bastards.
May 16, 2005, 10:50 p.m. CST
but so long as I can finally get my Skeksis action figure with fourteen points of articulation YAAAAAAAAY....