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Tonight’s installment of “Lost” deals with the murderous Kate and her robbery ways. But also? John Locke and the hatch he covets. And the emergence of the terrifying Dr. Artz (Daniel Roebuck, who has played both Jay Leno and Garry Marshall in TV movies!!).
After tonight remains only a three-hour finale titled “Exodus.” One of its hours air next week. Two others the last day of sweeps – and the season!!
8 p.m. Wednesday. ABC.
The 10 best scripted hourlongs in production:
Battlestar Galactica
Deadwood
Gilmore Girls
The Inside (coming August!)
Lost
The OC
The Sopranos
24
Veronica Mars
The Wire
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I don't even watch Lost.
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May 11, 2005 9:50:59 AM CDT
You're a fucking pinhead if The Shield is not the best scripted
by genro
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Does the iminent emergence of Michele Rodriguez as a main cast member mean that there are others from flight 815 on the Island, and if so, were they who Boone spoke to on the Radio before he fell off the cliff.
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Bleh
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I also keep wondering why there's never anything about the Shield on Coaxial. Besides being one of few consistently great shows currently on the air it was also created by Angel alumn Shawn Ryan and is co-produced by Sarah Fain and Elizabeth Craft (also Ex-Angel). Usually Herc keeps close tabs on all former Whedonites, so what's up with the lack of coverage? Oh, and House, M.D. and the new Doctor Who also blow the O.C. out of the water!
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for some reason, I can't stand his acting. I tuned in to Nash Bridges years ago, out of morbid curiosity of course, and he managed to make both Don Johnson and Cheech Marin look like master thespians. I hope his character gets killed quickly...preferably by a polar bear
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May 11, 2005 12:14:55 PM CDT
Where is the Shield love? It's written by ex- Angel people, it s
by big bad clone
and has a geek character that has become a damn good detective. I hadn't followed it 'til this season and I'm I finally tuned in.
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May 11, 2005 12:38:45 PM CDT
The Shield has been great this season. Especially with the addit
by blade
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You mean Gleen Close.
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GLENN Close...sorry...
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Both of these shows are two of the best scripted hours that we can watch midweek. While I do love LOST, I just think The Shield doesn't get any respect anymore for some reason. It seems as if "Nip/Tuck" stole all the thunder, and it's just left to its diehard fans. But after starting slowly this season, once episode 4 aired, it really picked up and returned to Season 1 form. It needs more press on AICN. :D
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is Rescue Me, not The Shield. I just started watching the repeats about 6 weeks ago, and its a great show. Dennis Leary is fantastic, and its just a great all-around show. And The OC is a great show, too.
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as great as the Shield is, there was no episode this week
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Sorry if this has already come up or if it was explained on the show but I just can't remember where Locke got his secret gun from. I thought he might have gotten it from the "hatch people" after they turned the light on but I feel like He might have gotten it on camera and I just don't remember. Someone please explain.
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That's what leaving "The Shield" off you list gets you, my friend.
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I thought I remembered him getting it from the Nigerian "priest"'s corpse that fell out of that tree, but I could be wrong.
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May 11, 2005 2:06:02 PM CDT
Locke found his gun on the dead body of the drug dealing "priest
by the heathen
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You beat me to it SickPuppy. Can't wait for the time bomb of Charlie finding all of those drugs. That won't be pretty.
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May 11, 2005 2:16:34 PM CDT
The Shield is great. Lost is great. But, Deadwood is better.
by -guyinthebackrow
True dat.
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The Shield, Rescue Me, and Nip/Tuck. If they aired those three during the week I would never my television.
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Is Michelle Rodriguez joining the lostaways? Because I was convinced that she would only be appearing in flashbacks. And will you please answer some questions instead of piling more on, writers? I
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I know Rodriguez is butch, but it would take a supreme being in order to survive while swimming for a few weeks without food, water, sleep, etc. in the ocean. She could have been there before flight 815, maybe with the french lady, but I think it would be the coolest if she was on the other half of the plane. Just my opinion.
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I mean, WTF? Was Boone a sacrifice to the island, and Lock has to continuously kill of the others to keep walking? WTF!!!
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She will appear in a Flashback talking to Jack before the plane took off and IS a pasenger. She has also been signed on for another year to the main cast. Draw your own conclusions but unless i'm missing some vital information (I am in the UK and didn't see this weeks preview) I'm pretty sure she'll turn up along with a few others from the other side of the island, maybe they've built a raft out of the tail wreckage? doubt it,
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Saw an interview w/ Abrams posted at the Fuselage (forgot the original source, sorry) in which he said that the radio message about "We're the survivors..." was going to play a part in the finale and was a large portion of season 2, implying that, yes, there is another camp of survivors from the flight and we will start meeting them. Do they have their own Locke, Hurley, etc.? Do they have their own hatch? Is Rose's husband there? Will Merry find Pippin with the others?
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No surprise, as this site isn't widely known for stellar usage or anything. But come on, Herc. Get your grammar on, dude.
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Why does she have to be from the back of the plane? It's true, it seems that's the direction they are going in, but I always felt that with the number of people on the Island, who we only get glimpses of here and there (And I'm talking about the people we've already met who are right ther eon the beach/caves with Jack and the gang), that they could easily bnig an actor or two in to play one of the unidentified faces. I mean, Steve wasn't on the pilot, so why not others?
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May 11, 2005 4:14:45 PM CDT
Yeah, I always assumed new regulars would be the other 30 or so
by big bad clone
You know, the people not in the leadership/provider/boat building circle
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I dont likle this other camp thing. And I hate Michelle Rodriguez.
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Can any of you please attempt to predict when FX will run a marathon of Season 4?
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they never should of cancelled lucky (alot better than tilt) and this season the first 5 episodes of sheild sucked but now its good again.
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Of course people watched the show. That's what lead people to write about it.
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or is this show dragging along at a snails pace? SWEEP this I say.
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It was truly captivating. That and the fact that the casting director has a great eye for primo chicks. Mmmm. Claire and Kate. mmm.
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That was a pretty damn well written show. I'll never forget Kevin Spacey and Joan Severance as Mel and Susan Profit (weirdo incestuous gun-runner, murderous freak types). "The toes know." Or Fred Thompson (former US Senator) playing a bigot leader of a group called Pilgrims of Promise. The dearly departed Ray Sharkey as Sonny Steelgrave. Damn good show.
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My opinion is that the island knew he needed to sacrifice Boone, so they took away his legs so he would not be the one climbing into the plane and dying. And yes Locke got the gun from the Nigerian "Priest" Drug smuggler.
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Is Locke lying about his legs hurting again? They're apparently working, in any case. Maybe the island just screwed him over for a minute so it could kill off Boone. Sun was trying to poison Jin; should have seen that one coming, but I didn't. Thought it was Walt at first. Now Walt's scared pissless of the island and the promo for next week looks spectacular. Kate got her childhood sweetheart killed, so that's a big part of the whole guilt thing she's got going, but we still don't know why she's "always running", what she did to make her mom so frightened of her, or what she did to get hunted by the law. The ship is setting sail, but I'm thinking it's going to fail. They might get it launched next week but I bet it'll be back on the island at very least at the beginning of next season, perhaps minus one of its crew (my money would be on Michael if somebody drowns). What's in the hatch? Something bad, I expect. But is it something different from "the others"? Questions, questions. Here's hoping the season finale resolves a some of them and proves me wrong about the Island mysteries being a dead end on this show.
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I also watched since episode 1. I knew it was from J.J. Abrams, would have Buffyverse writers onboard, and I'd heard a lot of good things about the pilot before it aired. I tuned in and was immediately hooked. Haven't missed an episode since.
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I love lost but tonight was BORING.
Christ, the two best parts were in the dang commercial. Walt saying not to open the hatch and them showing Jack the hatch. Kates backstory this week was yawn worthy. -
Days Of OUr Lives has done the island story twice in fact and surprisingly it kicked ass both times. First was the Cruise of Deception in 1990 when a bomb sank an oceanliner and the cast ended up on an island ruled bu evil Erneston. He poisoned poisoned Isabella, kidnapped Hope and blew himself up. It was awesome. The second one was last summer where about 20 of Salem's residents were held prisoner on Captive Island,a fortress for the supposedly dead victims of the Salem Stalker. Wild beasts, raging rivers, volcanoes and a tidal wave all reined down on those poor souls. Damn good fun. But no Cassie bathing nude in a waterful. Dammit! By the way rescue me and denis leary can both suck ass.
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At least TRY to make it seem like you're not just trying to win that stupid contest.
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Kate backstory was sleep inducing....and wat sucked more was that it was always preceding upcoming commercials!...*yawn*
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Was surprisingly good. As people have mentioned in past weeks, there was some filler because of the change in number of episodes ordered, but this was remarkable for calling our attention to what characters do and don't know about one another. Tonight was payoff in a big way because all the setup done in backstories over the course of the season is getting woven together to where every single character has got something going on, even if they don't have any lines like Shannon this week. Sayid's alarm at the hatch was a revelation, but Walt was incredible: he has a sense for the powers he has and was freaked that he didn't cause his dad to be poisoned. Well, ok, I'll temper my evaluation: tonight was the beginning of payoff because they've finally thrown away the filler and are getting to the meat of things. The next three hours are going to show us how good they are at juggling all these characters at once while doing big plot revelations. Guys, skip the big X-Files mystery, half the fun is in watching all these disparate characters from all walks of life interacting and _understanding_ where they're all coming from at once. We don't need a neophyte character (Dana Scully, Agent Cooper) to guide the audience in this world, its discoveries being the audience's discoveries, etc.. As it is, anyway, half the mystery on this show comes from the characters themselves. /// BTW, anyone read anything on Ian Somerhalder that says definitively that he's off the show? It could just be that his contract is for the whole season, and not all regulars on this show make every episode because of the cast size, and he still has flashback potential in Shannon eps, because his name was still in the opening credits. I just wonder about it. Granted, this isn't Buffy, but who's to say the island can't work in mysterious resurrection-y ways?
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He was the "forecaster" warning them about monsoon season...
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Maybe. Then again, it's not like you'd be able to get away with spelling out a word over a series of posts or anything like that. So if he is trying to win (which he says he's not, so I'll lay off him; he's still a goofy bastard though), I guess he's trying a *little.*
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Run, hide, or die.
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That actually IS a good question. I have no idea though. I'm sure that the ones that are under immediate scrutiny by Doc Falken or whoever it is that monitors these things won't have multiple one-word posts, but is there a failsafe system or whatever that eliminates your account if you "flood?" Don't know. There might be a way of monitoring that too, though. Like "Increased Activity in this Article" or some such.
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What contest are you talking about? Must have missed it. Anyone care to illuminate? And as for Roebuck, he was the other Doctor (The one Sawyer dismisses as a science teacher) who tells them that it's monsoon season, and they should get the hell out sooner rather than later.
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God this show is so good. And Smallville was deese too, I liked the Twilight Zone aspect and the surprising amount of gore and dead bodies in this night's episode.
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Nice how he knocked Jack off his high horse twice this ep, especially the "I don't report to you" bit.
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Yes, "goofy bastard" does mean that you are entertaining and funny. In my book anyway. There are some TalkBackers who probably think that you're wasting their time (which is ridiculous, since they're wasting their own time), but I'm cool with it. So keep on keepin' on, or whatever.
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Guess who's hooked on smack again? Track 2 - Monster Eats Pilot
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come on people, it was the return of mackenzie astin...i thought he was hiding under a rock waiting for the Facts of Life reunion...who knew he'd make a return to tv and have it be a connection to his brother no less...that alone was worth seeing.....well ok watching him die was cool too. oh and whats up with kate? the flashback shows she's a natural blonde but its been over a month on the island and i dont see any blonde roots...hmmmmm
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May 12, 2005 2:10:37 AM CDT
This episode might have alluded to the hatch metaphorically: Is
by jim jam bongs
Hmmm...
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I'm pretty sure its Dianne Wiest.
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Yeah. Charlie has definately found the motherload of H from the plane. He is way too happy. "Were goin' to be found, no dout about it". "I'm goin' to be triple the famous, now". "Let me play you one of my horrible songs, which I realize now are incredibly awesome". -
Can't you redye your hair? I don't know, I'm not a chick, but I've seen it before. Maybe she's a natural brunette, had dyed it blonde for her escapades, and wanted it back the other way (which would make sense since her mother and that Tom dude didn't comment on her hair).
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May 12, 2005 4:07:25 AM CDT
Are you guys aware that every Lost episode is based on a Gilliga
by regis travolta
I can prove it. Go to Google and type in "Gilligan's Island episode guide" read every summary and compare them to what we've seen so far on Lost. Sherwood Schwartz should be getting serious profit participation from ABC and Bad Robot.
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May 12, 2005 7:01:04 AM CDT
When Kate said she was a fugitive, no one had any business to lo
by mr. profit
Who had an STD, Locke is a huge liar who was a lackey at a box company. I can go on and on.....
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The teaser for next week was f'in great. Yeah I thought that Kate had died her hair blonde and was just dying it a different color 'cause she had just done something criminalie. Hence the license plate change and such. God she is smokin'- oh Stern just said he didnt like Lost that much last night. I disagree it was one of my favorite eps so far, mostly cause I could watch kate do anything. jesus. hot.
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You can't list the best hour long
shows and omit nip tuck and include the shield. Thats crazy, but then again I haven't watched
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Everyone that keeps discussing passing episodes of "nothing happening" and being "filler" need to examine the show they are watching. If last night was filler for you, turn off the series. You're gonna hate the rest of it. I have enjoyed every episode that has aired for this show. Why? Because halfway through the season I began to care more for the CHARACTERS than I did for the MYSTERY. Abrams is smart, and not at the same time. He lures viewers in with one hook, but his show is a different beast all together. However, it should be obvious even to a six year old at this point in the season how this show functions. ESPECAILLY after last weeks' phenomenal episode where we got to see a little glimpse of all the characters in one way or another. I LOVED the idea of PERCEPTION on tonight's episode. How every views everyone else on the island. And how those views can be changed at the snap of a finger. My God, to any viewer it should have been obvious that it was Sun. I didn't pick up on the sun connection until almost right before it was revealed outright. Why? Because so far she's been the kind, caring, broken english Korean. She's never been perceived as devious. Oh, except for that whole lying to her husband for several years. but we'd already forgotten that, hadn't we? Admit it. Moments like that make this series great. Kate's flashback was important enough to me just to know what the plane was all about. WHen I first saw it on the show, I was afraid she was responsible for blowing the plane up. Again...this show contstanly plays with perceptions. But it's obvious the mysteries are going to be few and far between...so don't rely on them to keep the showinteresting for you. Turn it off now, you'll thank me.
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Kate's Alias was Joan HART. The camera lingered on her Ohio plates with the motto'The HEART of it all". The plate number was OPN 924A. I'm not sure if any of that means something, but I'm throwing it out there.
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yeah rbs I noticed that too. since the shots for these shows are meticulously planned out, I can't imagine that they would have done that for no reason. really cant think of why, though.
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Of course Locke's legs hurt, he had a big fuckin' piece of shrapnel in one that he didn't feel when it was numb. If they are OK now, that's GOTTA hurt like a bitch. Speaking of bitches, and I love them both, kate really did get what she deserved, because she put Sun up to poisoning Jin to "help" her keep him on the island. That Michael got sick wasn't the issue, she just wanted someone sick. When it turned out to be Sawyer, she was exposed for the lying bitch she is. God, I love her!!!
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I meant to say she just wanted someone off the raft, and that turned out to be Sawyer.
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Spoiler or just an opinion on Daniel Roebucks acting?
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I haven't heard anyone suggest this possibility yet but it would be very cool if the hatch or even the island itself was Pandora's Box. I think that would make for a very interesting storyline.
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People who are lost on an island, but also people who were lost in life (before they boarded the plane). Moviemack, I can't speak for everyone, but I don't even know what Entertainment Weekly article you are referring to. I heard about the pilot episode here and thought it sounded like a show I would like to watch. So when it aired I watched it and was hooked. Maybe you base your viewing preferences on what EW columnists tell you to like or dislike but not everyone is such a sheep. ********* Two questions about last night's episode. Was the timecapsule a "New Kids on the Block" lunchbox? Did Kate take the toy plane at the end? I am curious how it ended up in a safe-deposit box.
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I loved last nights episode. I was bothered by the fact that Kate's backstory left us with more questions about her than before. Sure we know the significance of the plane, but what had she done to begin with? Why did her mom scream for help? Why did she back in 1989 say she wanted to leave and tell her boyfriend that he knew why? Why was that statement followed by awkward silence in 1989 and present day? I have a feeling all of these are important to understanding exactly who she is, and how she thinks/acts. We need to know these things.
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I loved this last episode, especially the quick little bits with Walt. What did he see when he touched Locke? It's driving me crazy! Also, why did he say they HAD to leave the island??? Just the suspense from those small lines are killing me.
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obviously wanted to leave because of her parents and what they or one of them was doing to her. and the boyfriend knew it too. even back then in 89 when they were 13.
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... if Hercules got the spelling wrong and they call hin Dr Arzt that would be very funny. In german
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...since the spelling really is Artz there is nothing funny at all except for my last post. Good bye.
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Now, I wanna hear about those numbers!! By the way, Walt is satan, not turnip head.
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The hatch is also a time capsule? And what about the numbers??
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maybe the new castaways will be in the hatch...and they will be EVIL!! (from the preview..."they are comming!" -- ala Ethan-superstrong evil person!)
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May 12, 2005 11:49:01 AM CDT
I'm not so sure anymore about the other half of the plane?
by john-locke
when that dude who played Leno suddenly popped in like he's been there the whole time, I didn't think the makers would pull that one, guess I was wrong. Can't wait to find out either way. Good episode but not great.
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I would have prefered for the character to be someone from the redshirts we had seen wandering around all season rather than someone completely new, but I felt they handled it well and made it obvious that everyone was at least familiar with him.
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I forgot to say, I agree that something her parents did is probably what made her want to run. My theory is that her father molested or otherwise abused her and that she was at one point forced to kill him. This would be the beginning of the running from the police that continued all the way to craphole island.
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First, didn't Kate tell Jack she was from Canada? Last night's episode sure seemed to imply she grew up in Iowa. Also, I can't believe no one has mentioned that after last night's episode we're back to square one in not knowing why Kate was a fugitive. Before, everyone assumed she was wanted for the bank robbery. But since the toy plane was in the safe deposit box and she was apparently on the run before she even had the toy plane, she was obviously on the run before the bank. And didn't she say last night that she was really innocent? Just tell us why she's a fugitive already! It's one thing for the show to be slow to give us answers, but for them to give one (that Kate was wanted for bank robbery) and then take it away really pisses me off.
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the heart of it all, OPN 924A
open the hatch, the "heart" of the island at 9:24am? sept 24th? A?
and they made the tape on august 15th, 815. more of the numbers. i'm starting to think that somehow the sequence of numbers could be deciphered as "red herring" -
or maybe the numbers could indicate when the hatch will open - maybe by itself - and something will come out (the others?)? I don't know, just a thought.
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Seriously, this Island is desolving into Lord of the Flies with an Id monster
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I thought they would have gradually introduced Artz, like have him speak to somebody last week and just show him the week before, then give him a name this week. It was a little jarring as we've met less than half the people on the island, and while they've met each other, we didn't see any of it. They did it better with Steve.
Ok, why was Kate's mom screaming for help? Was she nuts or did she recognize her daugher and see her as a threat? Oh, and did anybody else just love the way she laid out that security guard?!? -
As an ex-oxycontin & fentanyl junkie myself...I feel *real* bad for Charlie when he finds that mega-stash...boy, back in my using days, being crashed on an island with a hot chick (the formerly pregnant lady that fancies him) plenty of boar meat and coconuts, and a lifetime supply of smack...shit, I'd have been in f-ing heaven!!! I'd freaking NEVER want to leave!!! Shee-it, *I'd* burn the raft!!
(Hell, put me in his shoes NOW and I'd be sorely tempted...)
If Locke had any heart, he'd burn the stuff and NEVER tell Charlie about it...
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maybe the hatch is like that box in Futurama that led to an alternate universe...and when you go in, it brings you out to "another island" with all the same people except they're evil!!!!!! so then the very last shot of the last episode this season will be the hatch open and someone climbing out and just as we see a familiar face it fades to black. then we'll be left with "oh my, another(insert island member name here)" ? :P
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Yeah...the hatch will open, Boone will step out, alive, and wearing a goatee... ;)
Maybe the hatch leads to HELL!!! Or *worse*...NEW JERSEY!!!
Maybe in the end, the twist will be that thye aren't on an island at all...but...*gasp*...a PENINSULA!!!
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May 12, 2005 3:48:40 PM CDT
Maybe the Hatch is a portal Like in Being John Malkovich only it
by john-locke
Stoned..............................
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Do we know for certain that Diane was Kate's mother? She was referring to her as Diane earlier. Some children do that, but I don't think that was the case here. She seemed afraid of Kate. What mother would be afraid of her daughter? Maybe they were partners in crime or something? Did her boyfriend ever make the implication that she was Kate's mother? I thought Kate only said that so that she would be allowed to see her in the hospital. BTW, I loved that Locke finally pointed out that he doesn't report to Jack. Although I wouldn't want to rough up the only doctor, someone needs to put that punk in his place. And it does work with connecting Locke to his philosopher namesake, arguing that the inherent rights of the individual aren't granted to him by the state (Jack). I don't understand how people still think Locke is evil. I don't think there is anything they can do at this point to convince me of that. I wish more people were like him.
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so unless she was asking her about her mother, my guess is she was Kate's mom.
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did anyone else notice the Kate flashback, kinda resembled the opening to the Hitchcock flick Marnie? All rear shots and then she dyes her hair. Music even sounded similar to the Herrmann score
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"My God, to any viewer it should have been obvious that it was Sun. I didn't pick up on the sun connection until almost right before it was revealed outright." Uhh - what?
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May 12, 2005 9:59:36 PM CDT
I doubt we'll get any answers in the upcoming finale. Just a bun
by jim jam bongs
Final shot will probably be The Hatch opening up on its own, as a blinding light beams out from within it, with only one person standing there watching this happen. It will probably be Hurley, not Locke, who witnesses this. Count on this happening.
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Could there be a correlation to the hatch on the island and the time capsule from Kate's flasback. Perhaps the hatch is one big time capsule of some sort?
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I agree Kate killed her Dad that is why she is on the run. I imagine he abused her and/or her Mom. I think she went "Michael Corleone" on his ass. I also agree she is smoking hot.
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First off, I love the show..
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... sorry, just making sure I knew my password... Okay, LOST was kick ass in the beginning. The Backstory thing was cool as an introduction to all the major players. It spiced up the drama. But then major characters got more backstory, and then more backstory and then suddenly, life on the island began taking a backseat to these freaking flashbacks, when all I REALLY wanted to see was what life was like on this freakin Island. And nothing infuriated me more than the period of time taken between Claire's kidnapping and her return. It was like three episodes before they even dealt with the whole issue. It was like, "Hey Claire got kidnapped" "OH really, darn, that sucks." "Wanna build a raft?" "Sure, okay."
I'm all for building character, but what if we did it more in the context of life on the island. I know all these people have pasts, but at a certain point don't people have conversations with each other? Can't we reveal certain plot points that way? I think that would be so much more fufilling. The mystery aspect of the show is being dragged out so much that it's losing steam. You spend time building the mystery but then take a break to work on Characters, so then the mystery suffers. I dunno, I'm getting indifferent to a show I made plans to stay home and watch. Now I just TIVO the sucker and watch it while fast forwarding the commercials. They had me and they're slowly losing me. I don't care if Sayid was a terrorist or soldier, he's a swell dude who can make radios. I don't care if Jack didn't want to Marry the chick from Ed, I just know he's the doctor dude. I don't need to know that Kate is conflicted and a fugitive, all I need to know is that she's a hot chick that know's how to track and that she occasionally seen in her underwear.
All I'm saying is the stage is set, so let's play it out already and get going already.
ps- Don't shave me... I love you.
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