HBO Cancels CARNIVALE''
My emailbox was filled Saturday morning with this message and many more like it:
Fans of Carnivale woke up this morning to some very bad news. Beth Blighton, trusted source of Carnycon and she-who-knows-all posted that an "unimpeachable source" had confirmed that Carnivale is being cancelled. As you can imagine the fans are more than a little pissed, what with the story only being one third through and all...
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May 7, 2005, 2:53 p.m. CST
Perhaps if they'd made the main character likeable...
May 7, 2005, 3:19 p.m. CST
when a show is that crappy. People don't tend to watch. Unless it's Will & Grace which still stays on the air much longer than necassary.
May 7, 2005, 3:30 p.m. CST
Seriously, I told someone who started watching the show at season 2 that all they needed to know was that Ben had the power to heal, but in using that power, he would have to drain life from something else. That was all that you learned during the first season. And that you learned from the first episode. Nothing else happened. They would tease you with a little excitement during the last 10 minutes, then the following week, end what ever excitement you remember in the first 5 minutes. After that, 40 minutes of nothing. It has nothing to do with building a story, and having to have patience to wait. I have the patience of Job. Nothing happened!!!!!. Now the 2nd season was different. One of the most thrilling arcs I have ever seen. But too little too late. They lost too many viewers. I tried telling some friends who gave up during the first season to come back, but they had been burned with false promises and refused. Too bad. I would love to find out what was going to happened. You can tell a riveting story each week as long as you reveal a little something of where the story is going to make the viewer want to return. Lost & 24 are able to do this. This was Carnival
May 7, 2005, 3:31 p.m. CST
Hmm the season finale of Carnivale almost had the exact ratings as Deadwood had that same week. The show gained a lot of viewers over season 2 and was damn interesting for the last 9 episodes or so..the show really hit its stride. HBLOW can bite me , gonna leech all there shows from now on off the net after I cancel there ass...
May 7, 2005, 3:33 p.m. CST
I hope this isnt true. Here's my theory: Since Carnivale was supposed to be three stories each two seasons a peice, maybe the second part wont be called Carnivale, and they will have a new show set a little bit in the future from Carnivales times, like the 50's or so. It will have a few recurring characaters from Carnivale but focus on Ben and Sofie child. Either that or HBO is just a bunch of assholes that keep Arli$$ on the air for 5 years but cant give Carnivale a chance.
May 7, 2005, 3:52 p.m. CST
So much for "HBO is committed to Carniv
May 7, 2005, 4:04 p.m. CST
As he explained the avatar mythology to HBO execs, they felt the story was too rich to for a 2 hour movie, so it was going to be a miniseries. When Knauf gave them more of the backstory, they got more excited and decided to make it into a regular series. I don't have the link right now, but Knauf said that he can tell the story in two different ways without compromising it. One is the three season format that we would've gotten had HBO not turned chickenshit. The other is a six season, "three book" arch. Each "book" would last two seasons and would be about different characters. I guess now we'll never know what Knauf had in mind.
May 7, 2005, 4:57 p.m. CST
by Virtual Satyr
Fuck you HBO.
May 7, 2005, 5:16 p.m. CST
by Jay Mammoth
I'm cancelling HBO.
May 7, 2005, 5:34 p.m. CST
Crap i mean, everytime i put the damn HBO on you see that lameass deadwood. deadwood is what you get when you try to screw an 80 year old lady. I mean people, how about some good movies on HBO for a change.
May 7, 2005, 5:48 p.m. CST
I was pumped when Carnivale started in season one- I liked the premise, liked the fact it was HBO so more 'cinematic' (ie swearing and boobies), and really liked Nick Stahl. I gave up after about episode 10- man I hung in for 10 weeks only to have to sit through the most boring-ass shit week after fucking week. Didn't watch any of season 2, and now that it's cancelled I'm glad I didn't. 24 and Lost are literally the only 2 shows I watch every week, and they can deliver an interesting through-arc without mass filler, while Carnivale (at least in season one), blew it's chance to get a loyal viewership in a big, big way. So, I say I hope the producers / writers learned a lesson and don't expect fans to wade through complete crap just because they decided to stretch a three-season premise out to six in order to pad their wallets. Screw em.
May 7, 2005, 6 p.m. CST
by Toe Jam
and we all know that as a network introduces more and more shows, the more likely it is that one or more of said shows is going to be shite. "carnival
May 7, 2005, 6 p.m. CST
Season 1 was good story telling and setting up the back story which is huge , season 2 simply blew season 1 out of the water..it was 100 % better as far as action and content. The shows finale rating was about the same as Deadwood gets every week. Any way to each their own but the show was damn good.
May 7, 2005, 6:25 p.m. CST
I just dont get why they would cancel..ifits confirmed ill just download their shows and cancel my subscription.
May 7, 2005, 6:48 p.m. CST
Does anyone know when season 2 will be out on DVD (if ever?) I've only seen season 1 on DVD, and have kept myself clear of any spoilers, but by the sound of it... season 2 is MUCH better, so I can't wait. A shame if it never gets a season 3, but... them's the breaks!
Sorry folks, but if you couldn't find things to like in season one between the superb acting, the biblical mythology, the arthurian legends (Look up the Kinghts of Templar), the recreation of the dustbowl, a true carnivale experience each knight, and compelling arcs for each of the characters, you've got a screw loose. The show was full of rich characters, plenty of literary references, and enough atmosphere for any Lynch style fan. So, there wasn't a cougar attack, bomb threat, and villains who escape highly trained government officials by "leaving through the back door, or walking upstairs". Yeah, it's not 24. But that's what made it's 12 hour seasons so much fun. You really cared about the characters. And if you felt your synopsis about season one was thorough enough, I feel sorry for your friend, because there was a WHOLE lot more going on there, ESPECIALLY once you saw how it all pieced together into season 2. Guess your friend didn't need to know about Sofie...or her mother. Friend didn't need to know who Lodz and Scudder were. Didn't need to know what Iris's role was in shaping her brother, or Norman's role? I guess Jonesy had no bearing on plot, or how Sampson took over for Lodz because of a "rift" in the past. And no one needs to know about the two episodes spent on Babylon, and the death of Stumpy's daughter. I love how critical fanboys can be, sitting on their laptops talking about how "things suck". I never felt the show delivered below what it promised: magic, good SOLID character driven writing, great acting, and beautiful cinematography. I find this on the Lost board as well, you are like the kids who go to a magic show and all they care about is how the trick is done. It's all they want from the show. It's all that feeds their entertianment needs. And god forbid, if the they can't figure it out, the magician sucked. Lost and Carnivale had mysteries, yes. And part of the fun was debating and seeing where those mysteries lead. But for a lot of people, the fun comes from THE CHARACTERS. I dont' care about the mosnter on Lost anymore, or why Scudder was in hiding on Carnivale. I just looked forward to getting to learn more and see more of those finely crafter characters.
May 7, 2005, 6:56 p.m. CST
because the whole point of the story is an unending battle between good and evil...it's just the successors of the two main powers that continue the battles.
May 7, 2005, 7:49 p.m. CST
This site is nothing but a bunch of stupid fanboys that will find something wrong with any show no matter how good or how bad. I can imagine all of you sitting in front of your computer just like comic book guy uttering the famous phrase: Worst Show Ever! Choke on that you bunch of stupid fanboys!
May 7, 2005, 8:04 p.m. CST
But you don't really need a third season, I liked the way they ended season 2 and as it finished I kind of hoped they'd end it there instead of milking it as long as they could. I'm quite happy finishing the story off in my head. Remember Lodz's Message on the Mirror "Sophie is the Omega" which means end in Greek. I think Sophie & Bens child will be both the product of good and evil and basically end the bloodlines, which coincides with the discovery of splitting the Atom when man finally lost the last of the Magic in the World and relied on Science. Something like that anyway. I'm not happy it's gone but maybe in 5-10 years coming back to this story would be better.
May 7, 2005, 8:36 p.m. CST
And it's NOT okay to end the show this way. If Justin had clearly stayed dead and Sophie hadn't turned evil and shot Jonesy, I could accept "New Canaan, CA" as the series finale, but there are too many unanswered questions posed by episode 24. It's pathetic that HBO considers mindless starfucking shows like "Entourage" and "Unscripted" to be great edgy programming and that they appear to be grooming the dreadful "Deadwood" to be their anchor show now that "Sex in the City" is finished and "The Sopranos" is winding down. HBO dropped the ball in a big way by cancelling the best show on television.
May 7, 2005, 9:08 p.m. CST
This is fucking insane. Now, I'm not going to belittle Deadwood or Entourage, as they are 2 of the other 6 or 7 shows that I watch religiously and love, but this show is fantastic. I was under the impression that average viewers went UP this season, not down, so what gives? Yes, while the first season had a large dropoff in the first few shows, I seem to recall the ratings nearly making it back by midway through season 2. Regardless, this is an amazing show with the most creative storyline on television in a long time, and the higher ups at HBO are scrotom sucking semen slurpers if they did indeed cancel it.
May 7, 2005, 10:39 p.m. CST
People we can still take solace in the knowlege that HBO had the wisdom and foresight to greenlight a fourth season of The Wire.
May 7, 2005, 11:50 p.m. CST
I have just got off the phone with my cable company. HBO is cancelled. I hope the fuckers rot in hell. I'd expect this kind of horse shit out of Showtime, not HBO.
May 7, 2005, 11:53 p.m. CST
by The Outlander
When will they realize that a show has more value with a proper conclusion? If they had given Carnivale a proper conclusion I would have bought the DVDs. No proper conclusion, no DVD sales. Thank you HBO for saving me hundreds of dollars.
May 8, 2005, 12:49 a.m. CST
by Clockwork Taxi
In the famous words of the black pimp to Chevy Chase, "FUCK YO MOMA."
May 8, 2005, 3:23 a.m. CST
As quoted on Carnycon: Sometimes the least-expected method might have the most effect. Fans of "Carniv
May 8, 2005, 10:21 a.m. CST
by Milton Waddams
What a great show. Now the only reason to have HBO is Deadwood.
May 8, 2005, 11:27 a.m. CST
to many unanswered questions and no light at the end of the tunnel. The scripts and the construction of "Babylon 5" should be taught in Film School. Set up an story arc, know how it starts and how it ends and fucking do it. Chris Carter and the EPs of Carnivale should attend. Yeah, Season 2 started to answer some things but it just didn't work and was a frustrating mess. All hail THE WIRE and don't be messing with Omar.... the famer in the dell, the famer in the dell...
May 8, 2005, 12:14 p.m. CST
You can be happy The Fucking Wire ( just another cop drama woopie fuckin doo )got renewed but don't talk like you are some sort of movie executive , Carnivale was well done and had a great season 2..I guess Lost sucks too since so many questions will go unanswered after this season and ouch new questions will arise..please.
May 8, 2005, 6:18 p.m. CST
Russman, what the HELL are you talking about? Carnivale had a 3-season story arc designed to adhere to the 3-act story structure in the strictest sense. Cancelling a series like Carnivale (which had a very specific conclusion in mind from the very beginning) is VERY un-HBO like. Even more un-HBO like is cancelling a successful show that only grows more successful each week. If the show really is cancelled (and I'm *still* not convinced on account that it makes no fucking sense whatsoever) then there had better be a VERY good reason (such as all the main actors dying in a trajic plane crash).
May 8, 2005, 10:55 p.m. CST
I liked the show and I'm bummed that it's cancelled, but that's fucking retarded. I'm not spending $15.00 to send a fucking telegram. Have fun wasting your money. I'm sure whatever teenager is jockeying the Western Union counter will really feel your pain.
May 9, 2005, 1:33 p.m. CST
The way I figure, since HBO won't getting my $15 next month I can afford to punctuate my cancellation with a little explanation of how I spent their money. Since I'll be saving more than $100 over the next 7 months alone (and another $180 next year in lieu of Season 3), then a paltry $15 is nothing. The delivery guy dosn't have to care, but hopefully his mere presence will definately get the point across.
Jan. 11, 2010, 7:06 a.m. CST
"The credits alone for the show were the most costly and timely to make. HBO allowed for $4 million per episode which gave the show much room for a comparably large main cast, filming on location, and developing story, plot depth, and atmosphere. This budget was considerably more than what most television shows receive. After a two-thirds decline in season two compared to season one, HBO's president Chris Albrecht stated that the network would have considered keeping the show if the producers had been willing to lower the price of an episode to US$2 million; but the running costs for the sizable cast, the all-on-location shooting and the number of episodes per season were too enormous for them. The show did see a large spike in ratings for its final episode of season two but this was evidently not enough to stave of the cancellation of the series." I found this info about Carnivale and many other shows that have been cancelled from: www.cannedtv.com They have lots of news and info on cancelled television series.
Jan. 11, 2010, 7:07 a.m. CST
"The credits alone for the show were the most costly and timely to make. HBO allowed for $4 million per episode which gave the show much room for a comparably large main cast, filming on location, and developing story, plot depth, and atmosphere. This budget was considerably more than what most television shows receive. After a two-thirds decline in season two compared to season one, HBO's president Chris Albrecht stated that the network would have considered keeping the show if the producers had been willing to lower the price of an episode to US$2 million; but the running costs for the sizable cast, the all-on-location shooting and the number of episodes per season were too enormous for them. The show did see a large spike in ratings for its final episode of season two but this was evidently not enough to stave of the cancellation of the series." I found this info about Carnivale and many other shows that have been cancelled from: http://www.cannedtv.com They have lots of news and info on cancelled television series.
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