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The SITH has hit the fans - and thus far the word is very very strong!
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Hey folks, Harry here - As we watch the days peel off our calendar, more and more folks will be seeing REVENGE OF THE SITH and sending in reports - because I can't imagine turning away the glee of a Star Wars fan intent on sharing either his or hers excitement or disappointment with their fellow geeks. I can also tell you that from that Digital Conference that Lucas had - that I've spoken to several of the directors that attended and aside from "loving" the film, they told me in confidence that the film inspires one to immediately want to watch the Original STAR WARS as the film leads you to that point. I was also told though it has spotty moments of cuteness in the first 40 minutes, after that mark it is simply unerring badassness! I can not wait. If you want to avoid spoilers - I'd recommend not reading any of the reviews - they all dip into things best left unheard by sensitive ears...
What’s up Harry? First, let me say I am a big fan of your site and the work that you do. Anyway, I just back from a screening of Star Wars Episode 3 “Revenge of the Sith” at the Mann Theater in West Wood, CA and thought you might want a early review. I have never really written a movie review before so please bare with me.
We got there about an hour early and there was no line to get in. (shocking). The movie started at 7:15 pm and ended around 9:20. Getting into the theater had tighter security than getting into a terminal at the airport. Obviously, they we checking for camera phones and recording devices. They even had security checking the crowd for camera phones before the movie started. There were very few empty seats and a lot of little kids were there. Before I give my review of the movie I should let you know that I thought Episode 1 “The Phantom Menace” and Episode 2 “Attack of the Clones” both sucked… bad. But I did love the original three.
On to the movie. Did I like the movie? The answer is yes, it beats the first two combined. Not just because Jar Jar “Stinks” was only in the movie for less than a minute and kept his big mouth shut, but because of the story. This movie really completed the series and by the end I was ready to throw the original Stars Wars into the DVD player, just to keep the story going. I was a little worried at the beginning of the movie because it seemed a little to “childish” for me. An example of this is when R2-D2 sprays oil on to a enemy robot. To the movies credit it does lose that “kid” feeling fairly quickly. Yoda to me stole the show in this movie. Every time he was on the screen people were cheering him on. We got a little taste of him fighting and flipping around in the last movie, “Attack of the Clones,” but in this movie Yoda brings his fighting A game. The fight scenes with the life savors were awesome, especially at the end with Obi-Wan fighting Anakin Skywalker known as Lord Vader at that point in the movie while switching to Yoda fighting the Supreme Chancellor Palpatine AKA the Lord Sith. That’s some good stuff . I kept hearing that this movie was going to be “darker” than the last two. I would say this is true. There is a lot more death and betrayal in this movie. I got more into the characters this time, so I felt a little more for them when bad things happened to them. This did make the movie seem darker. Seeing Chewbacca was also a plus. The crowd also responded nicely to him by clapping for him. He is not in the movie that much but there is a scene when Yoda rides on his back and the crowd loved it. The big highlight of the film of course is when we see how Anakin becomes Darth Vader and is put into the classic black suit at the end. The scene where he fights Obi-Wan and gets his body chopped up and burned was a lot more violent than I thought it was going to be. He gets pretty fucked up. One of the last shots in the movie is Darth Vader in the suit with the heavy breathing and the Lord Sith next to him, looking out a window from their ship at the Death Star being built. This is a great shot and again, pulls all the movies together. There are some cool vehicles and creatures through out the movie to.
Now it would not be a new Stars Wars movie with out some bad things would it? The only compliant I really have is other than the kid behind me kicking my seat the whole time were some parts of the movie looked to “digital” to me. What I mean by this is that some scenes looked to fake, almost like a giant videogame. Some of the acting was bad to, (more cheesy love talk between Anakin and Padme.) Overall the acting was better than the first two movies, but really if your watching any of the Star Wars movies for the acting your missing the point of the movies.
In my opion this is the best of the new Star Wars films and is way worth seeing. I give it a 8 out of 10. I also would start buying stock in Fox if I were you. This movie is going to be a monster at the box office. Hoped this review helped describe the movie a little. Well it’s off to watch Sports Center.
-Ziglander
Then there's this one...
Hi Harry,
To say that I am somewhat giddy would be an
understatement, but I just got back from a screening
of Revenge Of The Sith in Marin County, and I am
pleased to say that this one is everything I hoped it
could be. To be fair, I had low expectations,
especially concerning dialogue, and there are a few
moments of clunky-ness but for the most part Revenge
Of the Sith was thrilling, fun and satisfying. I?m
going to try and make this review as spoiler free as
possible but there are some parts that may need inviso
text.
Without giving anything away, Natalie Portman and
Hayden Christensen are much better this time around.
Ms. Portman is radiant as always and both of them seem
much more comfortable in their roles. General
Grevious is was not quite as bad-ass as I would have
hoped but I suppose he was a puppet in Sidious?s game
and played the part accordingly.
Ian McDiarmid really got to sink his teeth into
playing Sidious this time, and he was excellent. His
subtle moments of emotion worked so well, you knew
what was coming and really felt like there was nothing
anyone could do about it. Ewan McGregor and Samuel
Jackson were good as well, but no better or worse than
in the first two movies. Yoda was as always, Yoda.
Not all of the questions were answered, such as
why Vader/Anakin or Obi-wan don?t seem to remember
R2-D2 or C-3PO, and (you might want to use inviso-text
here, how Leia can remember their mother and Luke
can?t since she and Luke are separated from her at the
same time, pretty much at birth). As well as some
questions being answered in a rushed way, like the
whole immaculate conception thing, and why Ben, Yoda,
and Anakin, appear all glow-y at the end of Return of
The Jedi(Ben in Empire as well of course).
But all in all, the movie was pretty great. So
much better than the first two I can?t even tell you
how much better. Gone were the ridiculous accents,
cringe-worthy dialogue, and excessive pandering to 5
year olds with Jar-Jar, farting and other nonsense.
While there are a few R2-D2 moments and a Wookie
moment of sillyness they are easily forgotten in the
fun and darkness of this last installment.
If you decide to you this review, call me
Onizuka.
Thanks Harry, keep up the good work!
And another...
Harry,
I just got back from a screening of Star Wars: ROTS in Marin County,
CA (if you need proof, I can scan in the ticket that I have for it)
that I was fortunate enough to get invited to. While I consider
myself a Star Wars fan, I readily admit that I cannot tell you
intimate details about the structure of the Galactic Senate, or
exactly how General Grevious became the mechanized person he was. I
can say, though, that I thoroughly enjoyed this last installment of
the new trilogy. It has many of the same failings as the first two,
most notably awful dialogue and threadbare plot devices, but the pure
satisfaction and joy of watching everything come together and form a
bridge between the first two movies and the three of our childhood is
undeniable.
This rest of this will contain some spoilers, so those who wish to
wait should stop reading now...
There are plenty of moments of humanity in this installment. Obi-Wan,
who delivers his dialogue the best and seems to be truly into this
movie, expresses concern for the deteriorating condition of Anakin at
several points early on. This seems genuine and provides a great
backdrop for their final battle. R2 has his usual moments of humor,
including the funniest part of the movie when he tries to hide from
some droids in a hangar. You can almost see, though, forced
foreshadowing that pretends to be humantiy in things like Anakin's
attempt to save Obi-Wan early in the movie that ends up with him
shooting part of Obi-Wan's ship's wing off. We get two, three, maybe
four premonitions of Padme's ultimate death that seem so literal that
it takes the anxiety out of her later condition.
My most serious grievance with the movie, though, is in the things
that the first two failed to convince me of. When the whole
overarching concept of the three movies hinges on Anakin's love for
Padme, and when you just aren't quite convinced that this is a
possible love, let alone a realistic one, much of the path that Anakin
follows is weakened. I wanted to believe that he turned to the dark
side because of his concern and love for Padme, and the movie strives
very hard to convince us of this, but I had to fall back on the
secondary factors in order to find
satisfaction in his turn. I didn't necessarily need more moments
between the two of them (in fact, at times, we see too much of them
together), I just needed to feel that the time that they spent
together was meaningful for her. I don't need to go much more into
this here, as I feel that others have already covered this point.
All that said, I still found the movie exciting, entertaining, and
worth the trip through the first two movies. The scene where
Palpatine reveals his true nature to Anakin had me on the edge of my
seat. I realized that I was watching something that I had been
waiting over 20 years for (though the scene ends with one of the worst
lines of the movie, second only to "From my point of view..." on the
lava). The imagery was breathtaking -- the battle in the Senate
between Yoda and Palpatine, the intercuts between the different
environs of Order 66 being carried out, the Wookie planet -- the sound
was incredible and the music, as always, brought you further into the
movie than you might have been otherwise. General Grevious was great,
and when he pulls out four lightsabers to battle Obi-Wan I was on such
a high that only the quick dismissal of several of the lightsabers
brought me down.
The bridge to the original trilogy was fantastic, with all of the
throwback technology and environments that we hoped for. The only
point that it became corny was in the final scene, but even then I was
sold on the movie and I didn't even really mind that. Once the Clone
War ends, the movie really gets going and except for these final
chapters, really an epilogue, it doesn't stop for much. It will be
interesting to see how time judges this movie. I read somewhere that
Lucas indicated that he hoped the first two movies would be much more
meaningful once the new trilogy was finished. I think that he got to
that point, although I am sure that those more devoted to the series
will find plenty of things to prop up or tear down that I have left
out here.
As always, I am KingRhino
Then there is this one...
Hi Harry, long time fan...
Anyhoo...saw an exhibitor screening of ROTS tonight in Toronto. I felt it was a pretty decent way to end it off. It's not great but it has great moments. The beginning and ending are fantastic, but Lucas' writing, to me anyways, is so bad that the middle part (where most of the words are spoken) drags on a bit. This review is mostly spoiler free...no big revelations but if you don't know the general story then this might give away a few things.
* The swordfighting is great, they have certainly upped the
intensity level with each movie.
* The space battle at the beginning is absolutely gorgeous, but some
of the special effects are not great, in particular the clones
faces look terrible! It's hard to pinpoint, but something is wrong
with them and it pulls you out of the film (bad mapping of the
actors face onto the cgi model or something).
* Some scenes felt rushed (like Obi Wan going through security
hologram footage). Many scenes lacked emotion (Don't want to spoil
with elaborations).
* Alot of the acting is bad...Samuel L. Jackson is disappointing in
this movie. Maybe the writing is the problem, who knows. Even
Christopher Lee's acting isn't that great in this film. Almost
everyone in this movie speaks using a monotone voice..it's
extremely annoying.
* Some of the Anakin and Padme conversations are written so poorly I
was rolling my eyes.
* Jar Jar is not in the movie...I mean there are a couple of shots
of him, but I don't remember him actually speaking and that's a
good thing.
* Most of the loose ends were tied up nicely for Episode IV. They
did a pretty good job in that regard, I didn't think Lucas could
pull it off but he did.
* Williams was Williams...his Star Wars music is great, lots of
references to previous films.
* The Wookiees: No idea why they were in this movie, they don't
really do much, they really do not push any part of any plotline
forward. In fact, all it made me do was remind me how much cooler
Return of the Jedi would have been with Wookiees instead of Ewoks.
Overall, the movie is a strong 4th place finish in my ranking of the 6 movies (IV, V, VI, III, II, I). This is a thoroughly enjoyable summer action flick and Lucas deserves some applause. He should silence most critics (not raving lunatic fanboys who will never be happy) because it is obvious after seeing this movie that despite what many people say, he does listen to the fans and has given them alot of what they have been asking for.
You can call me limabone if you were to post this.
and then there's this one...
This comment may contain mild spoilers: I had the honor to attend the screening at Indianopolis on my trip to the States. I was along with a handful of lucky others. Needless to say, I was pleasantly surprised with how the film turned out. After Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones, I was expecting just another soul-lacking run-of-the-mill blockbuster that scores big mainly because of the popularity of it's franchise. Man, was I wrong. While this film doesn't come close to the first two SW films, I would say it is the 3rd best, better even than Return of the Jedi. Once I was caught up in the story, It became nearly impossible to track down inconsistencies as my eyes were glued to the screen. Here are some Revenge of the Sith's criteria:
Acting: 6/10. Perhaps the best of the entire series, but doesn't ring as true as the 1st 3 installments. In ANH, ESB, and ROTJ the acting wasn't good, but it went with the story. It was like the actors were characters, all the technicalities of their gesturing and facial expressions were more than made up by their willingness and eagerness to play their characters, a fascination that infected the viewer. In the first two films of the prequel trilogy the acting was pretty stale, save for Liam Neeson (just 1st film); and occasionally McGregor and Natalie Portman. Here, Ian McDiarmid is given more screen time, as his performance shines throughout the film. Ewan McGregor and Natalie Portman are also very good, even thought traces of overacting are visible ("YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONE!!!" ; anybody?). Hayden Christensen carries out a stale performance from an acting perspective, but he is convincing as a cold emotionless human hiding his insecurities under a scowl.
Characters: 6/10. This is the part that angers me most. Lucas seems to have lost any respect he had for his supporting characters. The story is so focused on Anakin, Obi-Wan and Padme that all supporting cast's performance drained of it's depth (Palpatine is still good, though). As in the other two films of the prequel trilogy, Lucas introduces characters with infinite potential only to have them removed in a SFX frenzy. General Grievous is completely unnecessary to the story and unconvincing. The fact that a feared mechanical alien cyborg super-fighter is so easily dismantled and forgotten (nowhere in the sequel trilogy) is laughable. It is there simply to keep attention on screen, attracting the viewer with it's premise of being able to do something cool. That is, mostly, to partake in some awesome swordplay and die. Another negative is the reduction of the mysterious Darth Sidious/Emperor Palpatine to a shallow action figure. It's like what they did with Yoda in AOTC, but much better choreographed and more painful to watch (for SW fans). His fight scenes are impressive, but it's not enough to cover him being exposed from the cloud of mystery that kept him interesting for all this time. Wookies also seem a tad unnecessary, as Chewbacca is given importance he fails to convey in the later films.
SFX: 10/10. Some of the greatest special effects ever put on film. The fights are brilliantly choreographed, and the space battle/chase scenes are impressive as ever. Occasionally the film drifts into Video Game territory, but quickly snaps back with spectacular realistic shots. There aren't as many land battles as in AOTC, but those that are there are impressive beyond belief. Also, Lucas's modeled landscapes really bring new realism to the SW universe. I'm glad he learned that his CGi-obsession wasn't good for the film.
Storyline: 10/10. The transformation from Anakin to Vader isn't convincing and some of the focal points fail to deliver the impact expected, but the storyline connects nicely with everything in episode 4. There are almost no loose ends, and only occasionally did I noticed that the actions and presences of some characters were much more dramatic then given for later in the sequel trilogy. I should give this an 8/10, but seeing as Lucas is trying to connect to an already made story, 2 bonus points.
Overall score: 8/10. Not the new Citizen Kane, but definitely worthy $10 for the experience.
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And I can't wait.
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May 04, 2005 8:45:44 AM CDT
Damn, there's going to be a hell of a lot of these pieces on AIC
by jackburton
Wonder how many people will be sick of hearing about the film before it's even released?
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Christ, the first reviewer complains about the "kid feel" to the beginning of the film, and he can't write well to save his life.
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I know it might be asking a lot Harry & co., but if y'all could arrange some sort of place where these spoiler-happy reviews could be summed up sans spoilers, I and a lot of other spoiler-avoiders would be appreciative. or if someone could direct me to a place where this is already going on, i'd be equally happy.
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Lucas fucking sucks! He should have cast Arnie as Anakin becasue Vader's big and has a funny voice and Arnie's big and has a funny voice -- TPM would be all, like, the trade federation bridge and Arnie comes to the door and he's all 'knock knock' and Rune Hakko lets him in and he's like 'Stick around' and he sticks his laser bowie knife (no pussy ass life savouries here) into his neck. Then in AOTC he could be like Conan getting it on in the stud farm only with Naked Portman loving every minute! And all the clones could be of Arnie and they could attack and that would explain why Boba Fett has a funny voice. And in ROTS he'd be Vader from the start blasting everyone with his gattling saber and he'd be like, 'My CPU is a neuronet processor, a learning computer' and 'I AM A MACHINE!'. I'd fill my fanboy pants with torrents of geekgasams.
But Lucas didn't do it my way so fuck Lucas every choice he makes in his movies sucks. And ESB wasn't even that good anyway
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Star Wars - Wonderful.
Empire - Oh my GOD a Sequel better than an original!!
Jedi - Fucking shit, apart from the last 30 mins (sans Ewoks, natch)
Phantom - Actually not so bad, 3rd best
Clones - Shockingly bad, just awful, seriously - no depth, no acting, everything horrible.
It's bound to be better than Clones, purely on the basis that Vader finally tips up. Bet then I'm a idiot so what do I know? Not a lot. -
Annakin becomes Darth Vader.
And its LIGHT SABER not LIFE SAVOR you illiterate fuck -
To all those who whine and complain about the prequels, STFU.
For one thing we are not children anymore, and you need to remember that these films were made for children.
When we were dewy eyed little rugrats, sitting on our fathers shoulders inline for every opening since 77', we were not thinking about the over the top overacting, the horribly silly dialogue. In fact, we were more connected to the story because of it's simplicty. We gleefully looked forward to the next installment with hordes of actionfigures, sheets and sleeping bags, breakfast cereal and always our childlike infinite imaginations.
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Nothing in these reviews leaves me to believe that they are real. The 2nd fake reviewer said that he didn't know why "Ben,Yoda, and Anakin, appear all glow-y at the end of Return of The Jedi." Anyone who has read the novel or comic know who shows up and explains that deal. This is BULLSHIT, Harry!!!
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"Hey folks, Harry here - As we watch the days peel off our calendar, more and more folks will be seeing REVENGE OF THE SITH and sending in reports"...... Well, obviously not that many as these are the same fucking reviews as was posted by Quint a couple of days ago, and as I'm staying spoiler free, no use to me!!
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DID NOT SUCK!
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Didn't we already get the first review posted??? Editing...something editors do???
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May 04, 2005 9:20:11 AM CDT
Okay....SITH will be the biggest film this summer - im happy the
by spacesheik
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Eh, these are the exact same reviews as the ones Quint posted a little while ago!! Harry, are you not even reading ur own site?!
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As someone already pointed out, the other two were already posted by Quint earlier today. Now that's just lazy...
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The rest are all fake. Just wait until Friday to read some real reviews.
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"light sabres" or "light sabers", or "lightsabers" or "lightsabres". Not Lifesavors, those are a fucking candy.
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That pretty much sums up my expectations.
http://theletterd.blogspot.com/2005/04/fool-me-once-shame-on-you-fool-me.html
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I thought they made a promotional-deal with M&M's?
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If Darth Vader and the Emperor are looking at the construction of the Death Star near the end then that is just plain dumb. They spend about 18 years or so nearly constructing the first one, yet between the destruction of the first and the again near completion of the second it takes what, a year or two at most? Dumb stuff. Still looking forward to the movie though. And yes: I -can- point out stupid stuff and still look forward to it.
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well I ain't seein this then. BTW I'm five.
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May 04, 2005 9:32:26 AM CDT
WASNT THIS REVIEW ALREADY POSTED ON ANOTHER THREAD HERE TODAY
by banthafodderuk
AND WHAT THE FUCK IS A LIFE SAVOR?????? DAVID HASSELHOFF AND PAMELA ANDERSONS SHIRT POTATOS
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May 04, 2005 9:35:06 AM CDT
I didn't buy Harry's "hotel room videotape" review of Attack Of
by rufus_t_firefly
...and I don't buy any of this, either. If this movie is the #1 summer film, I'll eat an ofically licensed Kenner stuffed Jar Jar.
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May 04, 2005 9:41:25 AM CDT
Did they ever say how long the Second Death Star was under const
by drath
I mean in the original movies, they aren't clear on how much time passed between the movies. It was probably not a lot of time between ESB and RotJ, but if almost ten years passed between ANH and ESB, then that's a decade of rushed construction to get the second Death Star into it's NEARLY complete form in RotJ. I could buy that. Or, if it was only like five years between ANH and ESB, then it's also not clear that the construction of the second was started only after the first was destroyed. If the Emperor wanted one super weapon, it makes sense that he'd want two. So it might have been secretly under construction even during ANH. I don't know if the Expanded Universe still works with that kind of time line, but then I don't care about that.
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That's just what my two year old calls lightsabers. Daddy, where's my life savor? I wanna play Star Wars.
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I will certain "bare" with him, as I know they "we" checking for camera phones, but I'm glad it's not "to" childish all the way through, especially with the "life savors" against "the Lord" Sith "through out" the movie. I'm glad the only "compliant" he has with this new "Stars Wars" movie is that it's "to" digital, and he's right that if "your" watching the movies for acting "your" missing the point. At least that's my "opion" too. Better go buy that stock now, eh?
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May 04, 2005 9:49:44 AM CDT
15 days to go and I'm ALREADY SICK OF THE FANBOY REVIEWS
by johnnyfartpants
Talk about preaching to the converted.
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it's hard! everywhere i turn -- SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILERS! -- HEEEEELLLLPPP!!!! but i'm seriously, it's almost impossible. want to touch... want to read... to see... CAN'T! Must... resist... urges... must... not... be... spolied... (even though everyone knows the basics, the particulars, the details -- that wherein the devil lies -- must remain secret until May 19... or the 20th or whenever i get to see it)
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Spellcheckers have ruined the language...
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"Hey R2, I'm going to lie my ass off about Luke's father but I'll tell him about all the adventures we had....for those 10 minutes." "C3-PO? is that you, in pieces on that wookie's back? I have to freeze this cat but when that's done, we'll go out and have a beer." Idiots.
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May 04, 2005 9:56:09 AM CDT
"The fight scenes with the life savors were awesome,"
by voice o. reason
Sith use cherry life savors, and Jedi use mint and lime (except Mace Windu, who's got a grape flavored one).
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This guy wants harry to Bare with him. What a terrifying visual image!
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Fucking plants
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Can someone explain this to me please? If Vader and the Emperor are watching the Death Star being built at the end of ROTS and it's not ready until episode 4 that's about 20 years to build correct? How then after it's destroyed do they get one up and running in ROTJ so quickly? I don't know exactly the time elapsed between ANH and ROTJ but I'm sure it ain't 20 years. We're they building 2 at the same time?
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i knew it. i bet its lemony lime. i hope it wasnt spearmint. wow. there goes my childhood all over again.
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1) Maybe the first one took so long because they didn't exactly know what they were doing. They already conquered all of the building problems with the first one, so the second one didn't take nearly as long...or....2)Stop being such a fucking dork.
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Pass the Life Savers, my breath stinks.
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Laugh Hard, it's a long way to the bank.
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RotS seems to have the same strengths (light sabers) and weaknesses (everything else) as the rest of the prequels. Congratulations, George, you're totally clueless as to why the original trilogy succeeded!
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I've heard it had something to do with the 15 year Great Galactic Construction Worker Strike that ended 4 years before A New Hope after negotiations were arranged and the Empire only hired union contractors.
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Compared to the LOTR talkbacks and reports. The legion of SW fans is greatly shrinking, and few will show up for the funeral that is EP III.
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MinasTirithII will see Revenge of the Sith along with the rest of us.
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WETA did a much better job with Gollum then Lucas did with Yoda. It really doesn't matter how many specail F/X you use, it's how you use them. Lucas uses way too many as it's makeup for bad acting, plot and writing.
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Why can't people like LOTR and Star Wars? Hell, I have multiple versions of Star Wars and LOTR and have loved them both. Was LOTR Oscar worthy? definately. Is Star Wars? Maybe ESB but no. But that doesn't change the love that fans across the world have for Star Wars. I wasn't at LOTR at midnight but I will be there for Sith! In the word's of Rodney King - "Can't we all just get along! Now where did I leave my crack pipe!"
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This is war, and it's time Lucas gets the bitch slapping he deserves. SW was done 20 years ago, it's over.
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May 04, 2005 10:42:46 AM CDT
I agree Gollum came off as a much better CG character than Yoda
by forestal
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another Hobbit steal by Lucas
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Stealing? What about the Oliphants charging Minas Tirith? (AT-STs charging Echo Base)?
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If peter jackson was given EpIII, you would actually have a great film.
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May 04, 2005 10:51:58 AM CDT
Watching them all back-to-back, I through VI, will be a strange
by mortsleam
Especially after seeing the kick-ass Wookie fight, then seeing a paltry, ridiculous Ewok-sized redux three movies later. My dilemma is now thus: my company just informed us that we're getting free tickets to see this opening day, but I was planning on either a.) Waiting until the 4 of July, getting ripped at a barbecue and seeing it at a late show, sneaking in some Captain Morgan's for good measure (this worked well for Attack of the Clones). b.) Waiting until it came out on DVD and seeing it for free at my friend's house. c.) Not seeing it at all. Decisions, decisions...
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Oliphants were in the LOTR Books, stupid moron. All lucas did was steal from LOTR Universe. War of the Worlds will make more money then SW EP III this year.
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If its over then stop fucking talking about it. Can't wait to see your epic space/fantasy opera bet it'll full of nasty meanies and pouting and rain and nothing cute or furry that can be made into toy and will be 17 days long and star Max Von Sydow, a time-warped DeNiro from 30 years ago and re-animated pile of brando fat.
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# Lightsabers
Magic swords
# Obi-Wan Kenobi
Gandalf
# Princess Leia
Galadriel
# Darth Vader
Saruman, the Black Riders
# Emperor Palpatine
Sauron
# Obi-Wan digs Anakin's lightsabre out of an old wooden box, gives to Luke
Bilbo digs his magic sword out of an old wooden box, gives to Frodo
# Darth cuts off Luke's hand, which plunges into the abyss with Luke's lightsabre
Gollum bites off Frodo's finger, which plunges into the abyss with the One Ring -
Mysterious figure throws back hood of robe to reveal that he's Obi-Wan ----------
Mysterious figure throws back hood of robe to reveal that he's Gandalf -
Luke watches from across a chasm as his mentor Obi-Wan duels with Darth Vader using blue and red lightsabres ------------------
Frodo watches from across a chasm as his mentor Gandalf duels with a Balrog using blue and red flaming magic swords -
welcome back man - now about this hobbit daisy chain they just discovered in piddle earth - were you involved??? and if not, why not???
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Because Tolkien wasn't a student of mythology, he just made up all that stuff. I mean that troy movie was just a rip-off of the two towers anyway. Plagiarising bastards
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Yoda ------------------------------- Gollum (greenish, pointy-eared, raggedy midget with a speech impediment)
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I guess one could easily argue that since the droids get their memory wiped, it would be pointless for Obi Wan or Anakin to say "hey, don't you remember me? we used to hang."
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Heroes are walking through a forest when they're surprised by ewoks, captured at spear-point, then taken to a village in the trees ----------------------------------- Heroes are walking through a forest when they're surprised by elves, captured at arrow-point, then taken to a village in the trees
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the idea of having 2 of the main characters shamelessley wanting to bugger each other - no wonder sam let frodo go first up the stairs - he just wanted a deek at his hairy hobbit garry glitter (that means arsehole to all non uk people) ; )
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"I guess one could easily argue that since the droids get their memory wiped, it would be pointless for Obi Wan or Anakin to say "hey, don't you remember me? we used to hang." "
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You know that LOTR was a book before a movie right???? wow.
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Jackson was raised from a pup on Star Wars just like the rest of us. He has said as much in many interviews, which you would know if you were such a big "fan". SW is set in a galaxy far far away, but at the core it's much the same journey into the abyss and ultimate final redemption as Conrad's Heart of Darkness. It has nothing to do with Tolkien. Do your homework before you open your self-righteous mouth.
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I hate how that dumb Excalibur movie ripped off Aragorn with his destiny to be king and having a magic sword and shit. Where have all the original ideas gone?
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The Death Star thing. To speak in terms that you people may understand, the first Wal*Mart most likely took more time to build than the most recent one. And there's nothing to indicate that they didn't start building both Death Stars at roughly the same time, the second one being twice as big, therefore taking longer. LOTR vs Star Wars. Jesus tapdancing Christ. Lucas didn't rip off Tolkien, both Lucas and Tolkien ripped off the standard hero's journey story written centuries ago. WETA vs ILM? Jesus Christ on a popsicle stick. As was posted above, both houses have produced some dodgy CGI work but no one can dispute that if it wasn't for ILM, there would be no WETA and the state of FX would still be at the Ray Harryhausen level. And any FX house that claims to be better than one that made a house implode by constructing a detailed model and then sucking it through a hole with a vacuum cleaner can suck my balls.
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Again, you baised SW fans can be disgusting. Lucas totally ripped off tolkein, I have already provided much evidence. You are just in denail
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Not EP I, II, III, which all suck.
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Because by liking star wars you have to hate lotr. And my dad's bigger than your's. And i decree those who like pepsi, n'er a dram of coke shall pass their lips...
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Just as someone else said above, both properties rely on myths that ring true for centuries of humanity. There are no "life savors" in HoD, but who can say that Vader did not ride down the dark river of the force, only to face the worst possible demons etc etc. You are in "denail" of your literary conventions.
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Anakin: I saw your life savor. Qui-Gon: Jimmy wanna lick?
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The only myth that SW touches is that of a SW movie actually being done well. I love it when SW fans look for deep spiritual meanings. But when the movies do poorly they are Saturday Serials.
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Vader likes Kellogs. The MYTH grows upon us like an infested wart.
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You haven't provided evidence of diddly-squat except that you're far too emotionally invested in the works of Tolkien and the denigration of George Lucas.
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Even Lucas admits it. YOU lucas fans know so little about the pudgy, 4 chinned guy. What a shame.
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SPOILERS, obviously: At the end of this flick, we see the Death Star being built. Is it clearly stated that this is a prototype, or are we to assume that it takes 20 freakin' years to build this thing? Cuz they were almost done the 2nd one in Jedi in much less time, right?
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***There
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Come on man, the plot is about as simplistic as it gets. 125 MInutes, damn, that's way too long to watch poor acting and wimpy lines. People will cry at this movie, out of boredom and stupidity.
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....but it's better, only because of the connecting "bridges" to the original trilogy and for a few "badass" visuals.
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Except when it come to Jar Jar and making a pg-13 movie, foolishly thinking he might get a meaningful Oscar. Can't wait till Padme Dies.
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... as did Homer, those nutjobs who wrote the bible and the thousands of years of heroic tales told since... well, quite a long time ago. I hate that. And I hate the inconsistency in the building of the deathstar or how does Leia remember her mother? It keeps me up at night, please help! Some people are treating this like it's a fairy tale!
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Concerning the Death Star construction timeline, I do think it's a little contrived to have Vader and the Emperor looking at an under-construction Death Star at the end of Sith. But I could see it taking nearly twenty years (probably closer to 18) for them to perfect the laser weapon on that station. How long was the U.S. working on nuclear weapons technology? And it's safe to assume about three years pass between each of the original trilogy films. The rolling narration in front of each movie covers a lot of plot ground. So if the Empire got right to work on Death Star II after the destruction of the first one, it's at least plausible that, with what they learned the first time through, it would take about half as long to get the second one nearly finished. Now, having established my inherent geekiness, I'll address the parallels between Lucas' work and Tolkien's. They're pretty unmistakable. Sure, Tolkien drew on various myths, religions and actual history to create his fantasy epic. But he made the lines to his inpirations a lot harder to trace. Lucas wears his inspirations on his sleeve because he isn't generally a good enough writer to disguise his sources effectively. And, for all of you gay hobbit bashers, George also made two of his main characters gay, or at least packed to the gills with homoerotic undertones. R2 and Threepio have just moved past the romantic, syrupy stage into old married couple mode (or, more appropriately, upgraded from fuck buddy 3.2 to life partner 2.0). And for the guy who insists all Star Wars movies were made for kids, you're way off. Yes, Yoda was designed specifically to appeal to kids. And about a third of Jedi (virtually all of the Ewok shit) was made specifically to appeal to kids. Phantom Mencae was a three hour toy commercial. Clones struggled to balance kid appeal, story and character development (failing miserably on the last two counts). But Star Wars and Empire somehow appealed to audiences of all ages (something I'm beginning to believe was accidental). For example, my then-38-year-old father (an uptight asshole of an attorney whom I always assumed was hatched full grown near the time of the Inquisition) loved Star Wars and eagerly anticipated the sequel with me for three years. My then-60-year-old Grandmother, a teacher of English literature, took me to see Empire three times because she so loved the story and characters. And both of them had the same reaction I did at age 11 to the very out-of-place teddy bears in Jedi (essentially, "What the fuck?"). Fortunately grandma didn't live to see the first two prequels and my father, well, George lost him on Endor. All of that said, I like what I'm hearing about this movie so far. Could be that Lucas finally pulled his head out of his ass and decided to tell a compelling story again. I really hope so, because I'm tired of feeling like a dumbass for getting excited about Star Wars movies only to be disappointed on opening night.
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...you're glad your grandmother died so she didn't see the episodes I&II? Bbbrrrr, a heart of ice. Bet you don't even like Jar Jar. He's like a big frog, and talks funny.
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May 04, 2005 11:48:05 AM CDT
Honestly, if you fanboys knew how pathetic/hilarious you are.
by barry egan
Lucas v. Jackson. WETA v. ILM. LOTR v. Star Wars. As the evil Capt. Kirk once said, "Get a life."
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I've seen less plants in a rain-forest!
This tells me one thing, Lucas has screwed this one up too.
Lets hear it for the three-peat!
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May 04, 2005 11:49:23 AM CDT
Ben Kanobi is Gandalf who is Merlin, Leia is Frodo who is Arthur
by jugs
..you know it.
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Then the movie is gonna suck. I'm not even gonna go now.
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If you're building something the size of a "small moon" it's not unreasonable at all to imagine it would take 20 years. Hell, it's taking 10 years just to expand the freeway that runs through my town from 4 lanes to 6. As for the SECOND Death Star, it's not unreasonable at all to assume they started it well before the first one was blown up. If you've got an entire galaxy to keep in line, you're going to need more than one Death Star. And finally, as for the Star Wars versus LOTR fanboys...put down the blow up doll, get out of your mom's basement and talk to a real person every once in a while. Most normal people enjoy both sets of movies for what they are.
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May 04, 2005 11:51:51 AM CDT
If Lucas had let Jackson direct Episode III, woud it have been a
by barry egan
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http://www.theforce.net/swtc/ds/
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Yeah she just stabbed him in the face and its all over. What a fuckin whimp the WK was. ALL BS...
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Yeah, Arnie-kin would have rocked. Choking Padme --
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Any biased SW fan would say so.
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well guessed, you're a smart fellow. What else could it be? Hey, waitaminute...
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Is Keanu Reeves in this?
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So yeah, all modern stories have incorporated elements from basic themes from earlier stories. What exactly do you want for presenting this revelation? An award? A blowjob? Lucas didn't rip off Tolkien anymore than Tolkien ripped off everyone who came before him with the same story.
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May 04, 2005 12:15:42 PM CDT
Who says Obi-Wan & Anakin don't remember R2D2 & C3PO...
by orionsangels
Why would Vader say anything or care for that matter. They're just droids. Obi-Wan never owned a droid and what was he supposed to say to Luke. Oh thats the droid, R2D2. He was on many adventures with me. Who'd care? Obi-Wan's only plan is to get Luke on the right track. If Lying is a required, so be it.
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Arnie-kin slices Darth Maul in half. Later -- Obi Wan: Hey, what happen to that mysterious Wraith chappie? Arnie-Kin: He had to split. Hahahaha, Arnie-kin cracks me up. Obi Wan: You
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***Minas TirithII, what
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C'mon George, give the fans what they want, MORE JAR JAR!!! Maybe Lucas can do some quick editing and cut the Anakin/Kenobi fight down to 30 seconds and fill the rest of the time up with Jar Jar and his amusing antics. C'mon George, I know you "need to tell your story" but you have a responsibility to the fans and to the legacy that is Jar Jar Binks. Plus, is there any chance that the new live action series could focus on the Gungans and the Ewoks? I can never get enough of that Wicket!
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nothing wrong with having High Expectations, except for the fact you have been burned before. 150 minutes is not something Lucas can do, it's just not in him. He is not Peter Jackson.
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And this should end this constant "why doesn't this guy remember this guy?" Shit.
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... everyone knows that. Notice the freakish similarities? That's why he's only been ripping off himself. Obi Wan: If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine. Arnie-kin: I like you Obi. That
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Revenge of the Sith is better than The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones combined. Wow, what a ringing endorsement. I've seen Vagisil commercials that can make the same claim. What terrifies me about this film is that Lucas appears to have learned all the wrong lessons from the bumbling mediocrity of the first two, and ramped up the CGI and lightsaber wackiness. Sure, the plot makes no sense, the acting is atrocious due to the rampant bluescreening, and the dialogue sounds like stuff randomly lifted from fortune cookies, but there are lots of shiny things to distract us. Man, it tears me up inside to see what Lucas is doing to this once noble franchise, and what the fanboys are letting him get away with. If someone had sat him down after The Phantom Menace and grilled him with a lamp for a week, maybe he'd have started making good films again. But this one is just what we deserve: braid-wearing nancy Hayden Christensen suddenly turning into Lord Vader for some reason, against a sprawling backdrop of computer generated crap and Mario Brothers levels. Just try not to notice the huge oversized helmet they stuck on him so he'd look half a foot taller. You know, almost like he was the real thing.
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Maybe. But what do you expect, Exley? I was raised by a lawyer. A wire monkey and a rabid wolf would have been more nurturing. But at least I didn't lie to some wide-eyed farmboy in an effort to get him to kill his old man. That Obi Wan is an icy motherfucker even by my standards.
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...but they had a thing one lonely night escaping the trade federation blockade and now it
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I'm not making a value judgement here, I'm just stating a fact: Lucas "borrowed" substantial portions of plot from other sources. So much so that one could concievably call Star Wars a very strange, very liberal sci-fi adaptation of Tolkien. On the flip side, it's easy to see that Peter Jackson took many visual ideas from the Star Wars films (I believe someone mentioned AT-AT's/Oliphaunts). And yes, Tolkien relied heavily on the Kalevula and other mythic works. All I'm saying is that you have to recognize the factors that went into the creation of the work. That said, the prequels still suck.
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A blowjob would be nice. Who doesn't want a blowjob? Seriously, think before you post.
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...hey, waitaminute, I gots fooled again. Like when that bastard Lucas repackaged some fantasy novel and sold it to me as his own work. He raped my childhood ky-less and didn't even have the common decency to give me a reach-around
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***Minas TirithII, I can pick you up, drive to the ranch, mess up Lucas
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I can't believe people are excited about this movie. IT'S JUST A BLATANT RIP-OFF OF THE SIMPSONS, PEOPLE!!!!!
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May 04, 2005 12:40:16 PM CDT
"it has spotty moments of cuteness in the first 40 minutes..."
by kiddae
So basically, it fucking sucks, and you're apologising for it before you've even seen it. Those "spotty moments of cuteness" are absolutely going to as anus-clenchingly awful as all the shitty moments in the first two prequels. Those movies had cool stuff in them too - it didn't stop them from being train-wrecks. FAUGHK
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May 04, 2005 12:40:46 PM CDT
"it's easy to see that Peter Jackson took many visual ideas from
by iamlegolas
Wha...? How else does someone shoot footage of giant, 4-legged behemoths?
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Take care, I know to some a mouth
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cuteness in a fairy tale sucks. Lucas sucks. Lets raid the ranch, rape and pillage, John Knoll's tubby ass is mine. The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'
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You know what would be fun, if they turned Fiest's Rift War saga into a movie.
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to happen. He's funny and green and frog-like and talks funny like Jar Jar and is funny
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That is why Yoda lived on Degaba, so no one could tell his fart smell from the swamp gas.
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That is all.
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Since ed brought it up, the human mouth is full of very nasty bacteria. In fact, you're better off being bitten by a (non-rabid) dog than a human, as the dog's mouth is probably cleaner. Before antibiotics, they often hand to amputate fingers and hands that were bitten and now, we put people bitten by other people on mighty strong antibiotics ...
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Stop thinking about fucking Annie. Unless it
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May 04, 2005 1:10:23 PM CDT
"but really if your watching any of the Star Wars movies for the
by barry egan
Does this statement even need to be mocked?
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"get off your knees, I know when I'm licked!!"
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But Lucas might eat me. You do know Peter Jackson now wieghs less than Lucas. And King Kong will make more money then SW EP III.
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that if a girl says 'I love you' and you say 'I know', you feel cool as shit and she's put in her place.
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You don't like Star Wars, get the fuck out of this talkback. You don't like LOTR, get the fuck out of their talkbacks... if they even exist. Everyone get the fuck out of the talkbacks they're wasting space with. Otherwise you're just a retarded fanboy of someone else. It's like two year olds fighting over who has the better power ranger toy. It's sad, funny, and just pathetic.
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That's dumb. The talkbacks would be boring otherwise, and even now they are pretty boring.
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You can tell PJ was inspired by the Imperial Walkers when he shot the Mumakil siege. Let's not forget Legolas' little ride on that oliphant, which was pretty much a complete rip-off of Luke single-handedly taking down that Walker.
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You can tell PJ was inspired by the Imperial Walkers when he shot the Mumakil siege. Let's not forget Legolas' little ride on that oliphant, which was pretty much a complete rip-off of Luke single-handedly taking down that Walker.
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Indeed he has inspired... me to take a dump.
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And that dump turned out to be a Tolkien Trilogy.
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It's amazing how man of you will still chew on it, even after this movie proves to be just as bad as the other two.
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Two points, first; Life Savors? Fucking retard! And Harry
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It will be on the internet soon enough though, I would say 2 days before the release. The game, most likely, is already out there.
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I'm seeing this thing opening night. And I'll walk out of the theater happy, knowing one of the greatest stories of my time is complete. And hopefully I'll step straight into one of Bender's Suicide Booths. Cuz there's nothing left to look forward to after this.
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Hmmm, wonder what I said that warranted me being edited out.
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YOu must live in a cave? Are you part of Al Qaida?
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I'm trapped in a cave. All I've ever seen are the shadows moving outside, so I believe that to be reality. Like a fanboy in a cinema
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May 04, 2005 1:57:56 PM CDT
JamesURLJonez is a typical Lucas drone. He has already made up
by barry egan
"I don't care what any of you say. I'm seeing this thing opening night. And I'll walk out of the theater happy." Blind loyalty is a beautiful thing.
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"I thought they made a promotional-deal with M&M's?"
Anyone else feel like m&m/mars really dropped the fucking ball on this whole star wars promotion? we get DARK chocolate m&m's for the sith pack, but the jedi pack is just gay colored plain ones! WTF?! why not have white chocolate ones?! jesus chirst. its not rocket surgery! its candy! come OOOONNNN!!! this could have been a really cool promotion, but it ended up being like like the star wars movies: HALF ASSED. -
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Try reading the whole post, Monsieur Dumas. But I do think this is one of the greatest stories of our time. The characters are firmly etched in the public consciousness. People everywhere share their love of Star Wars. Even if they hide it behind internet prick cynicism. What should I say? I really, really hope it's not teh suk, or whatever clever catchphrase is floating around? I know I'll be happy, even if I don't like every single frame of the movie, or every special effect, or every performance. Because the story will be complete. The joke is that after that I'll walk into a Suicide Booth-probably along with thousands of other fanboys-because what's left to look forward to?
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Pass that pipe please. People also share thier love for Michael Jackson. ANd you should kill yourself, cause there is nothing else for SW fanboys to look forward too, so let's get rid of them all.
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Are you a parody of an obsessed LOTR fanboy or a real person? I like LOTR too. I certainly wouldn't advocate getting rid of LOTR fanboys. Be more inclusive, and maybe you'll stop shitting blood through your perforated ulcer.
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...in a Star Wars talkback. Honestly, why the hell does this always happen? MinasTirith, you're not impressing anyone. If your whole gimmick is just to sitr things up and get on people's nerves, then its failed big time - they key to doing something like that is not looking pathetic in the process. On-topic, I have tickets for the first showing at 12:35am on 19th May; not because Lucas has tricked me or because I'm a blind fan - I'm going because I enjoy Star Wars. There really is nothing else to it.
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STFU, the fan boys want to end themselves cause some crappy movies have reached their end. I am all for it.
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"On-topic, I have tickets for the first showing at 12:35am on 19th May"------ That's pretty pathetic. Why not just download it 2-3 days before for free?
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Maybe, Luke just wanted to know what it was like to have a mother. Unlike Leia, Luke grew up knowing the people who raised him weren't his parents. Of course, Lucas just changed his mind, but I think this works. ******* Ben said he didn't remember owning any droids because R2-D2 and C-3P0 claimed to belong to him when they never did. Plus, I don't think he's spent anytime with C-3P0 so far, and I only recall him interacting with R2-D2 a couple times. He
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May 04, 2005 2:50:44 PM CDT
I just re-watched the Triumph DVD where he destroys the Star War
by barry egan
"Which of these buttons calls your parents to come pick you up?" Classic!!
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Because I don't download movies on the internet. Simple as. Its more about ending a fun streak than anything else; I managed to see the midnight showings for Episodes 1 and 2 as well. You see, going to see a film from a franchise that you have enjoyed for years isn't pathetic. Going online and deliberately riling people up = pathetic.
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That was 20 years ago. Sounds more like you are trying to re-live you childhood. I'm gonna download it. No need to spen money on it. ANd that way I can pause and go potty when I need too. This year, SW fans are standing in line at the Wrong Theatre.
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May 04, 2005 2:59:21 PM CDT
I managed to see the midnight showings for Episodes 1 and 2 as w
by minastirithii
Wow, that's even more pathetic.
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With each bright review
Ground grows ever more distant
Perilous plummet.
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I was born a few years after Return of the Jedi was released. If you want to download the film, then more power to you. I've enjoyed the sequels, and I'm not afraid to say so. And Return of the Jedi happens to be my favourite of the OT, rather than Empire. Its called individual differences, my friend. I really don't see what LOTR has to do with anything. They're completely different franchises, so that kills a lot of the comparisons. Plus, if Star Wars (OT and PT) is to be judged on acting, dialogue or other factors, then its pretty pointless to watch them in the first place. On May 19th, Revenge of the Sith will be great; I know this from the trailers, comments from others who have seen it and the fact that its what fans have been waiting to see for 20 years - the fall of the Jedi and Anakin's turn to the Dark Side. I'm excited and I'm glad there are at least some others who feel the same way, rather than the ignorant posters who come here just to badmouth the film (and will see it anyway, as you yourself have just admitted).
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Wow, I've been reading AICN for a long time and I knew a lot of posters were some mean bastards, but damn. I talked that guy who wrote the first review into posting and know for a fact he saw the film. Does his writing suck, yeah...but he doesn't review films for a living. I talked to him before and after he went last night and he was really excited about the flick so I told him to send something in. Of course he knows what a lightsaber is, I think he also knows that it's Jar Jar Binks, not "Stinks," but I believe he was making an attempt at humor. Either way, he did see the flick and I'm insanely jealous because I have to wait. While his "review" might not be pulitzer material, he did his best, so lighten up. As this was a very early exhibitor screening, I told him people might be interested in hearing an early take on it. I've spoiled myself silly and even broke down and read the novelization, but I still grilled him for a half hour about what he thought when he got back. He expressed to me also how "animated" it felt at times (especially the Grievous/Obi-Wan chase) and I told him how Rob Coleman had said that Sith is essentially an animated film as it has more minutes of animated footage than the average Disney feature film, so what do you expect. I was just happy to hear some early confirmation from a "casual" fan (as opposed to someone like me and most of the people who read AICN who will pick apart every second of this film) that this film is enjoyable from start to finish which in my opinion is a huge leap forward from the last two, who despite watching both of them initially over and over, I now find pretty much un-watchable. Sorry to rant, but as so many talk-backers expressed their belief that the review was a studio plant, I figured I'd chime in and confirm the review in case anyone cares and like the idea of a positive early review by a real person.
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more than the Original or Empire, is really pathetic, thus EpIII will be right up his alley in terms of liking pathetic movies
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and that is what seperates EP I and II from the OT. You can't sit ans watch Annie and his stupidity in EP I more than one time at most.
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May 04, 2005 3:21:22 PM CDT
Sounds like there might be a little more hope than last time, bu
by minderbinder
I'm curious how real reviews will be. And I'm not paying to see it in a theatre until I've seen a bootleg or heard raves from people I trust.
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Individual differences? I also notice that you're mentioning the word "pathetic" an awful lot since I said it to you. I guess it really is a "internet hard-man" gimmick then? In a way I'm relieved - I was wondering whether you truly were as ignorant of other people's opinions as your posts indicated. But if I have been quick to misjudge you, and you really feel that no-one, anywhere, in the whole wide world, could like ROTJ or could like the prequels, then I suggest you lighten up. Do I really have to point out the inaccuracy of calling ROTS a pathetic movie, when you haven't actually seen it yet. The fact that you will see it, via download or not, is even more hypocritical. Not good at this, are you?
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I figured this film would probably be better than the first two. It's hard to make THREE films in a row that are that bad, I would think, and the second film was better than the first, so Lucas seemed to be getting back into it a bit. Also, the subject matter in this movie would automatically take away some of the worst elements in the first two, and having more familiar Star Wars elements like Vader, TIE Fighter sound effects, etc. would automatically give the film a better feel to viewers. Still, I didn't think that Lucas would simply turn into a good film director again all of a sudden after having directed two of the worst big budget films of all time, so I didn't have hope that this film would return to form. I figured it would be better than Episodes I and II - probably significantly better - but still nothing "great" by any stretch. However, because fans would all the sudden be getting a big jump in quality and COMPARED to the first two films this one would look much better, we're gonna hear all this "return to form!" nonsense and that the film is as good as the Original Trilogy, even though it will not likely be even close. These reviews seem to confirm my suspicion about the film - it isn't "all that" - and so does other reaction elsewhere - because its not a total crapfest like the last two people will confuse themselves into thinking this film compares with the Original Trilogy. But in ten years or so it'll sit in its rightful place in ranking of the series. Afterall, a fully-formed turd may LOOK okay when sitting next to two platefuls of diarrhea, but it's still a turd.
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Thank you. We're all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view. No big streach for Rosie O' to be act like a retard; she is a retard. I prefer my lesbians young a pretty. Not a fat assed liberal bitch Jane Fonda wannabe Rose O'IneedaDilo dike.
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...to see hitchhiker
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In just about everything.
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Then I can edit it down to about 20 minutes.
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He fights Yoda, alias "The Jedi Master".
Oh, by the way, that's the word - "alias". What in the name of everything good and holy is that antilinguistic mutation "aka"?
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May 04, 2005 3:52:28 PM CDT
did you guys hear that lucas is going to remake the "star tours"
by mcluvin
There was an in-depth artical about the 50th anniversary of Disneyland in the Sacramento Bee and it was prominently mentioned.
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A new ride to further the Myth that SW is any good now a days.
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(to Anakin as he is immolating on the shores of the lava river) Obi-Wan (imitating Anakin, in sarcastic Arnold voice): "You're fired"
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...I am slightly less optimistic than I was on my first read. It seems all three had issues with the acting and believability of the characters in general (two of the larger contributing fators to I & II sucking) and, as an extension of the believability of the characters, at least one had a big problem with the romance plot device (so artfully fumbled in AOTC), which becomes even more crucial in this installment. I'll still see it, but I'm adjusting my expect-o-meter accordingly.
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a sappy piece of shit, geared towards fans of Dungeons and Dragons, written for the kind of people that want deep down to live in the days of valiant knights and kings. The stoic and kingly tone of those movies were so far removed from reality that the movies could have no lasting resonance. This is why people will admit that LOTR was good but not classic. It doesn't have any sense of timelessness. The OT SW had that. Simple language, simply adventures, much fun to be had. The PT was bogged down with politics that, though many here could understand, did not have much place such a simple adventure.
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May 04, 2005 4:32:06 PM CDT
"aside from "loving" the film, they told me in confidence that t
by right bastard
Still not reading anything to avoid spoilers. Statements like this bother me, though. I can't get out of my head how many people pumped up TPM and ATC. I don't want to get too excited. I reckon, if I go in expecting crap, then, at least, I can be surprised if it is actually good. I don't know...
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but I hope they don't erase r2d2's memory.....they don't have too....In the orginal trilogy it always seemed that he knew more than he was letting on....i would love it if r2 always knew what was happening...you know how threepio says "what mission, what are you talking about?" to r2.....there is no need for r2 to have his memory erased....only threepio...god I feel like such a fucking nerd but I am so excited about this fucking film i can't wait.
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It needs it, or at least it need a clean up. The film stock on that is grainy and awful. It takes a lot away from the realism, and fun of the ride. I remember being there for Star Tours opening weekend. There were 5 hour waits for that ride. Now it's one of the only things at Disneyland that you can walk right on to any time.
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Sounds like it's better than the first two but it's no "Empire". I'm assuming the actual storyline of this movie is going to keep it from going all to crap the way the other two did. If only Lucas had let someone decent write the screenplay and do the actual directing, just standing back and providing storylines/ideas, then this would probably be one of the greatest sci-fi films ever, just like "Empire" was. Sadly, however...
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May 04, 2005 4:40:01 PM CDT
oh and i just read the post from the guy praising star wars and
by slappy jones
I agree..I mean just last week I was flying my x wing...the empire was chasing me and I suddenly hit a meteor shower......so i flew into a cave on one to hide out..as you do... but wouldn't you know it, I actually flew down into the mouth of giant worm creature.......
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This movie is just going to strait up OWN! I don't care if it's up to empires standards or not. I don't really want it to be like Empire. That was it's own movie and Ep.3 will be it's own movie as well. It just looks like it'll be one hell-of-a ride! Can't wait! Anyone who picks on this movie to death just needs to get over themselfs and get a life.
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May 04, 2005 4:44:21 PM CDT
"talkback is like a who's who of people that haven't been laid"
by right bastard
I assume that most people here are like me. Stuck at a boring desk job that they hate, so they screw off on the company time. And yes, I have a girlfriend, and she's also a geek. My favorite thing about the TV series "Spaced" was that they portrayed geeks realistically. Tim was a complete geek, but could get girls, drinks, smokes pot, and basically does things that every other normal person does. Have you ever been to Comic Con? It's a party! CBLDF party at Dublin Square. The Vampire party at The Abbey. Don't project your shut-in personality on the rest of us geeks. Most of us know that we are geeks, and we know how to party.
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Hmm, I don't think I was praising SW. But oh well, must be hard to read when riding in your x-wing in a meteor shower. If you think I was praising SW then that could only mean that your standards for praise are very very low. All in all, your a nice guy, slappy jones. Hey now, that doesn't mean I want to get married or anything!
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No shit it needs an overhaul. That is some herky-jerky, scratchy shit. And I think the droid that talks to the people in line doesn't work anymore, either. As long as it's OT footage and not Annie's podrace, I'll be fine with it.
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I seem to recall some pretty fucking hateful things being spewed all over the Return of the King talkbacks in the months before it's premiere. Somehow though, I sincerely doubt that Revenge of the Sith will win Best Picture at the Oscars. No, that honor belongs to one film and one film only, and that is the cinematic treasure known as The Adventures of Shark-Boy and Lava Girl IN 3-D!!!
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I'm so glad i'm first. But seriously, all in all, Stars Wars is pretty cool. Too bad the prequels, thus far, have been lacking in any sort of realism, visually and emotionally. The OT had grit and grime - real shadows and dirt instead of computer generated ones. Note to ILM - objects in the distance are fuzzy, not super detailed. For me, Weta gets the edge because at least they build big-ature models. The PT is like a postcard video game - flat, picturesque, and impersonal. Lucas should have used more hand-held camera work - documentary style, to draw us into story. More to follow.
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Ok, so maybe I've read so many of these that I'm starting to compensate for the quality of the writing but I didn't have a problem with Yoda and Palp in their "Life Saver" fight. First thing that popped into my mind was that the fight took place (at least partially) in the senate and those round hover things in there look like big silver "Life Savers" I thought that's what he was talking about. Like I said maybe my mind's just compensating for what's missing but that's what I thought he meant. -
You guys are right on the money. However, I think ROTK only one to acknowledge the cinematic achievement of Peter Jackson creating an alright trilogy. Let's not forget that the Oscars aren't really a standard for good work. They typically will give an Oscar to a popular and acclaimed movie.
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let me just say sometin about that Lucas-Dog. this dude is the realest of the real and the throwdest of the throwed. ain
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I have to agree. The WETA guys are the hot shit now when it comes to effects. They work their asses off, and still look like they're having fun. They understand the nuance of what the propper mix of relism (models) and CG should be. Up to this point, Lucasfilm gets props for going 100% CG, but it's been missing something. It worked with Sin City, because it was supposed to look like a comic book. The OT was too realistic (Ice, forests, deserts, etc.) to go to a world that consisted of what, a lot of times, looked like video game cut scenes.
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Every now and then these talk backs offer something new, things that no one has ever read before. I salute Flip63Hole for the new word "Weakquels." I agree with you Flip that the prequels are really weakquels. I like OT better than them and LOTR. The reason why is because I'm not a big fan of CGI, which both had plenty of. Although I admit that LOTR's CGI was more lifelike, particularly in the scenes with dark lighting.
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How many lingering shots are there of Natalie Portman's rock hard nips poking through a tight white top ? That was my favorite part of Attack of the Clones.
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So far, that's been the best thing about the WT.
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Let me preface by saying I can't wait for May 19th. I took off of work, I have my tix already, my costume is set... I'm there. But, let me tell you why this movie, as good as I expect it to be, will not touch the Original Trilogy, not even Jedi. Because of backstory and the failure of character development in Phantom and Clones. I'll put it to you this way. Why were you crying at the end of Return of the King? Because it was the end of a journey you took with characters YOU CARED ABOUT. Conversely, it's the reason why the Matrix sequels disappointed- because somehow the characters we had come to love were straight shoved to the background (i.e.- Trinity, Morpheus, etc.). Character development is key. RoTS is inherently limited to how good a movie it can be because of what we already know and feel about the characters through their development in Phantom and Menace. Don't get me wrong. I love Obi Wan, Yoda, Mace and all of them like the next cat. (And I'm sure through the character development of RoTS, I will come to empathize with the characters even more.) But, at the same time I must admit that there is no attachment really to them. Due to the way their characters have been developed up to this point, there is a disconnect. Or let me say, there is not a strong connection. Personally I could care less who lives or dies. I mean I care but it doesn't/ will not hit me the same way, say I felt when Han was put in carbonite. Or Ben died. Or something like that where a character I genuinely HAVE COME TO like, through good character development, has been affected. The prequels have come to be about cool special effects and telling a story. Not delving deep in characters. Lucas said it himself more or less. It's more about telling a story. In short, I expect this movie (also, from what I'm hearing) to easily be the best prequel but fall short of touching the originals due to the character- audience connect limitations, imposed through Phantom and Clones.
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Its better than the other 2 prequels, but not as good as the original trilogy. I can dig that. Isn't that what we all expected?
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I didn't see them! Damn, now I'll HAVE to watch AOTC again. In slow motion. With the zoom on. In the bathroom.
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Does "A New Hope" ever say that the Death Star has just been built? If the movie didn't address this, then the Death Star was done shortly after ROTS and several years before ANH.
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ROTFL!!!
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May 04, 2005 5:41:44 PM CDT
Now that MinasTirithII has graced us with is presence, we need S
by krullboy
The circle is now complete
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Like, seriously.
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May 04, 2005 5:56:03 PM CDT
"Does it really not bother you bit torrent guys out there that y
by minderbinder
When you pay to see a movie, you're voting with your dollars. You're making it possible for that filmmaker to make more movies. In GL's case, I don't want to do that. If he never makes another movie, I'm OK with that.
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When George Lucas goes home he will still have his original print of ROTS and will most likely by laughing his ass off at the fanboys who have "stolen" a shitty version of his movie off of the internet.
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LOL, thats funny!!!!!!!
And SW fans *do* have something to look foward to after the movie. The SW TV Series with Luke Skywalker. Fukin A!!! -
I DL stuff, why the fuck would anyone care if the MPAA and Lucus lose a few thousand dollars? They are making Billions!!! You fukin assholes, Kiss MPAA ass and fukin DIE !!!! I'll Watch at the movies, then DL the DVD so I can watch at home the day after it comes out.! HAHAHAHAHA!!!! ASSHOLES...
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Then don't watch the film at all. If it bothers you so much, don't watch it. Watching it without paying is stealing, plain and simple. You don't have a "right" to decide what's worth stealing and what's not. We have a social contract where everybody wins all the time, because it's all VOLUNTARY - somebody takes time, effort and money to make a product, and then they set a price. If you want the product more than that amount of money, you will make a trade that benefits you both. If you want that amount of money more than you want the product, then don't buy it. It's very simple, and it's very fair. Nobody is forced to do anything they don't want, and all trades are mutually beneficial. The seller has every right to respond to your "votes" by lowering his prices or raising them if he wants to, or trying to increase his quality, etc. And you have every right to buy or NOT to buy. You DO NOT have the right to steal because you don't think the product is worth it, or you don't like the seller. If you think those things, then be a man about it and don't buy the product. Don't circumvent the social contract by stealing something somebody else spent a lot of time, money and effort to create. Taking it without paying for it is not your decision to make, it hurts everybody EXCEPT you(not just the seller, but the seller and everybody else BUT you) and it is fundamentally unfair. The Hong Kong film industry was the most creative and vibrant in the world in the eighties, making 300 films per year - many of which were copied wholesale by Hollywood. Then VCD piracy came in and now the creativity and innovation of the industry is largely gone - they hardly have an industry anymore, actually - they only made 64 films last year. They used to make a billion Hong Kong dollars per year(unadjusted for inflation!) on Hong Kong films, last year they made 56 million. The Hong Kong film industry has been destroyed. Why? Because *ssholes who decide they have a "right" to set their own price decimated the monetary incentive to go into films and drove the innovators and investors out. The same thing you're doing by downloaded films now. And this was VCD piracy, which isn't nearly as dangerous as downloading piracy, because it's not free, the quality was horrible, and you had to go and get it. Downloading piracy is even worse, because it's free, in many cases the quality is great, and you can do it from your own home. The average film costs $60 million to make. The film industry simply cannot afford people stealing their movies because they feel they have "a right" to do so, a "right" to set their own price. If this downloading really catches on, there will be no more film industry, and there certainly won't be any films like Lord of the Rings, or even the $65 million Collateral, or other great films. And the innovators will leave, as monetary incentive is removed from the industry, making people seek a better living elsewhere. And this will hurt EVERYBODY. Not just the "Lucases" and the "Spielbergs", who are "rich enough", as you would probably say. For every rich person in Hollywood there are a thousand people that are just making a living - look at the names in any movie credits - how many people do you see there that are getting the big bucks versus the hundreds of other names that are just on the crew, and working job to job to pay the bills and raise their families? Your downloading hurts THEM the most, because they're the ones who can't afford to lose their jobs because some ass decides he doesn't have to pay for a film. And they're the ones that will feel the pinch first if the industry has to tighten its belt. We all also lose in other ways, too - a hit to the economy if we lose one of our biggest exports, for one. The other is that we will simply lose the MOVIES in general if piracy becomes big. There won't be a film industry to speak of, and there will be no more event movies, then no more good movies at all except for a small trickle of decent "garage" films that come out of thousands of unwatchable masses of cheap films people make while the real innovators go make their money elsewhere. Do you want to violate the social contract and cause so much pain, suffering and general unfairness just so you can watch a movie for free and feel all superior? You guys should think things through before you are so gun ho about the course you're taking. Many will be very, very hurt by it - including you in the long run.
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These forums really are hateful aren't they? It's one thing to tear a movie to shreds(and remember it is JUST a movie, albeit a series)before actually seeing it and then forming any sort of coherent criticism. Then another to pick up on peoples grammar skills ?! and preferences as though you have some sort of secret knowledge that makes you somehow justifiably superior. But MinasTirithII, for gods sake before you wank yourself into a blind stupor over Tolkeins works(not PJs interpretation, Tolkiens the touchstone if you feel the need to make pointless comparisons) maybe you should breathe, count to ten & calm down, make yourself a nice cuppa tea. Maybe call a friend you haven't spoken to in awhile. I don't know what colour the sky is in your world but you really do come across as a tit.
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You obviously haven't seen Contact, where S. R. Haddon quites clearly offers a perfect explanation as he indicates the SECRET, SECOND transporter being built in Japan: "First rule of government spending: why build one when you can build two for twice the price?" ...... And thus, a new form of nerdism is introduced to the debate.
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I understand your point; however, the pirated version is a different product then the actual one that was produced. One version is beautifully showcased on the big screen, which I will gladly pay for and the other is faded with bad audio, something I don't want to pay for.
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What body part did Luke lose after barely escaping Death Star II? And I don't remember(of course I'm hardly an expert on LOTR) Gandalf's voice "guiding" Frodo in the end battle of FOTR. Some clarification please. JeeBus, the Death Star wasn't operational until Star Wars. They tested the superlaser for the first time on Alderaan.
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Good fun, glad to see the status quo remains here, minastitithII is still a tit, etc. And dagan, how about I go see the movie a half dozen times, and dl it to get it through the dark times until the dvd comes out? Then I will love it and hug it and squeeze like my Jar Jar teddy. He
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May 04, 2005 7:17:23 PM CDT
"Score by KooKoo 'Big Fruit Taste' Pebbles and his Wurlitzer ban
by krullboy
WHERE IS COCOLOPEZ GOD DAMN IT!!
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Where the independent contractors who worked on it innocent bystanders?
Also to the people who wonder why Kenobi doesn't remember R2. Do you realize how many R2 and R5 units are in that universe? Has R2 even been around Kenobi in the PT for an extended period of time if at all? R2 pretty much spent all his time with Padme and Anakin in AOTC. -
How do you know they don't go watch the movies on the big screen after downloading them? I'm not making the claim that every downloader is like me, but I watch every movie in the theater despite having already downloaded it. If everyone did that would you object to downloading pirated movies still?
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It's not hard to imagine. Death Star I was started as many years before Death Star II as there are between New Hope and Jedi.
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....All is forgiven. As long as you give us new material to work with.
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OHHH StiflersMom. As the old saying goes "there is nothing new under the sun", and your "lightsaber in the poop shoot" idea has probably been done by countless fanboys to their fat, zit covered, renaissance festival girlfriends. . .and I am sure said penentrations have been practiced with those in the alternative lifestyle set as well. In fact, if there is a gay porn version of ROTS, I would copywright your idea before it is filmed in the seedy garage or a pool deck in Van Nuys.
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MinasTirithII, you have no freaking clue about what Tolkien stood for, and what he was attempting to do. He lamented the fact that after the Norman conquest, all Anglo-Saxon sagas were lost. He was determined to CREATE a mythology for a the UK that tied in the general themes of Nordic/Anglo-Saxon tales. Guess who else CREATED a modern mythology: George Lucas. You may hate him, but he contributed to the lexicon of mythology and the impact that it can have on modern society. Tolkien inspired those around him to create their own mythologies, as evidenced by CS Lewis' "The Chronicles of Narnia". If Tolkien would have lived a few more years and seen ANH, I have no doubt he would have appreciated Lucas' efforts. MinasTirithII, I don't know where you live, but if you ever go to the UK, visit Oxford, have a pint at the "Eagle and Child" Pub where Tolkien and CS Lewis went every day, and maybe you will understand what THE FUCK I am talking about.
Also, King Kong, will not outgross ROTS, Son of Kong will not outgross and SW or LOTR films, and Peter Jackson in on the Bonus DVD in the OT DVD pack, talking about how SW inspired him, and the LOTR movies would be impossible without the breakthroughs of ILM/SW/Lucasfilm. Write back with your counter argument after you remove your greased Palntir from your ass. -
The laughter that one elicited drew some odd looks my way. Thanks, krullboy.
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Whatever "point" you find in it is irrelevent. It's not your decision to make - it's taking product without paying for it, without the consent of the owner. It's breaking the social contract with many negative consequences. JEEBUS - first of all, I love your screen name. Classic stuff. Secondly, much pirated material now is DVD quality. And many pirated films are the DVD version - a straight digital copy of the DVD version you can download, burn to DVD and watch on your system like it's the real thing, only without paying for it. This eleminates the whole "it's okay because it's just a bad version watching on a computer screen argument", and as technology gets cheaper and improves and more people have access to these things there is a risk that this kind of digital DVD piracy will get huge, too. And the DVD is one of the largets revenue streams for films these days - most films don't make money at the box office because of the cost of prints and advertising - but it's a huge advertisement for the DVD, turning it into a "real movie" and not some "direct to video" thing in the mind of the public. I think technology is going to sufficiently deal with the situation ed exley speaks of with new distribution models - in the meantime, I still don't think it's "right" to take something that you didn't pay for, whether you think it's fair that you can get it or not. Release dates are not your choice, they are chosen to help maximize profit, and thus give filmmakers incentive and ability to make more movies. I simply have not heard a "pro-piracy" argument that stands up to the test of logic or fairness. Not that JEEBUS and Ed Exley are mounting big "pro-piracy" defenses here - you guys are just offering comments. But others that pirate have never been able to say why it's not a very bad thing.
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And sorry to Professor Tolkien for misspelling "Palantir". I have never claimed that I am always right (like SirBitch), but I get pissed when guys like MinasTirithII have nothing intelligent to bring to the table. I feel sorry for the guy. If you told Peter Jackson about MinasTirithIIs crap, he would laugh his bearded Kiwi ass off. And one more thing: JAR JAR WAS NOT THE MOST ANNOYING CHARACTER IN ROTS; IT WAS CAPTAIN PANAKA. PERIOD.
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May 04, 2005 8:49:00 PM CDT
MINASTIRITHII. . . Just in case you took a break from wanking of
by krullboy
Just in case you took a break from wanking off to the "Balrog" statue while wearing your "Mouth of Sauron" mask from Sideshow Collectibles, check out users.ox.ac.uk/~tolksoc/ TolkiensOxford/bird_and_baby.html . You can now go back to your "Legolas Fisting Haldir in Ibiza" fantasy.
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All you people really get suckered in with all these talkbacks dont you!! Being a true SW fan I wont be looking for overacting or bad dialog because I'll be to busy loving ever second of ROTS! Just like I have for every other SW movie.
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They are movies! I like them both! I also like blondes and redheads and vanilla and chocolate. The two sagas can be viewed and enjoyed as seperate entities. Get some perspective and possibly a girlfriend. Fucking wanker.
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May 04, 2005 9:18:05 PM CDT
" if you don't want to pay for the film...Then don't watch the f
by minderbinder
I don't have any way of knowing if the film is any good without watching it. If it's good, I'll be perfectly happy to pay and go see it in a theatre. But unfortunately audiences are at a disadvantage. By the time you figure out if it's good, they already have your money. Sorry, I didn't care enough to get much beyond that in your post.
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Hmm, who else reckons this is a good idea? Never bought stocks and shares. But if this and future SW projects are gonna be so beneficial to Fox's finance, sheet, what ways could it really be a bad idea? Also wasn't it a Director who gave the first review, who advised this? Who knows about all this shit? Help us out gang. after all, if we know nothing else apart from life and Hand Solos over Michelle Heaton, than might as well make a life because of it.
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May 04, 2005 10:14:58 PM CDT
"I ask that if you wish to win this wonderful prize - that you d
by krullboy
Alas, MinasTirithII gets a chance to flex his goods for "Studspunk" magazine
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I watched Episode III earlier today. There's no real reason to send in a review as everyone will watch it anyways. The movie is great, and I hate Episode 1 & 2. Unfortunately there are a lot of really terrible moments spread THROUGHOUT
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Not quite sure how subject arose, and I'm not quite sure I care, but I will throw this in: when I WAS downloading movies, every movie I downloaded I have either seen in the theater, purchased it on DVD, or both. I download only when A) it's not in the theaters yet (workprint) or B) it's in theater/DVD limbo. I own over 400 DVDs and go to the movie theater at least twice a month. Sometimes I just can't wait to see a flick, but I always pay for it, sometimes more than twice. And on a different note, just bought my Midnight Showing tickets tonight for a digital theater in NY. Can time possibly BE... ANY... SLOWER?!
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May 04, 2005 11:07:25 PM CDT
Minderbender: "When you pay to see a movie, you're voting with y
by triumph poops!
Riiiiiiiiiiiight. Nice dodge with some truly FUCKED UP logic, Minderbender. Speaking as someone who works out here in Hollywood creatively, let me get this utter bullshit of yours right: You want to claim you're some sort of high and mighty arbiter of taste, and thus you want to stop particular people from expressing themselves artistically, or more to the point making a living off their work. So you say "I won't pay to see it because people vote with dollars and that allows a person to go on. So I'll pass." Ok, that's a fine principle to stand on. So why don't you stick to that and end it there? Because THAT would be standing on your principle. But the second you think it's fine TO STEAL a person's COMMERCIAL work simply so you can see it on the sly and for free (unlike other people) is such hypocrisy and bullshit, you can fuck that right up your stealing weasel ass. If you want to show principles by not seeing something...to discourage a particular artist or venture...then BE principled and don't see it. But it's bullshit that you should be allowed to STEAL intellectual property, partake in it for free, and deprive someone of an income or profit they deserve since you DID watch it -- no bones about it. If nothing else, at least be principled enough to say "Fine, I'll wait till it's on HBO since I justify paying for that monthly to watch assorted movies I didn't want to pay for in the theater. This way I pay one price and see the rejects I passed on under a group umbrella." THAT would still be having priciples. But you bit torrent people who just rip off peoples work -- be it movies, tv, music, or any other type of creative intellectual property that an artist is looking to make a living off of -- truly suck cock. And have no morals since you think stealing is fine, so long as you get something for free and feel like you jerked someone over in your standard childish, immature "I'm better than this artist!" egotistical way.
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going to make like a million dollars. At least. You heard it here first.
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May 04, 2005 11:40:55 PM CDT
Minderbinder - "Sorry, I didn't care enough to get much beyond t
by dagan
I'll have the courtesy to respond to your points in full and read your entire argument if you'll do the same for me on my responses. You have not. Though I'm not holding my breath for "courtesy" from somebody who is advocating stealing films, and then trying to act as if the theft is based on "principle" instead of blatant thuggery. I guess courtesy and actual debate is too much to ask from somebody who won't even READ THE OPPOSING POINT OF VIEW, because he's either too lazy or simply afraid he'll be unable to formulate a good response to a well-reasoned argument that disagrees with his point of view. Better for you, Minderbinder, to just ignore the other side of the debate so you don't have to think about it, right? If you did read it, you might have to think about your behavior and reconsider, and/or actually defend it based on reasoned, logical rebuttal. Surely that's not too difficult for you to do, is it? And Triumph poops! - Excellent post, my brother.
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May 05, 2005 12:36:08 AM CDT
Lecturing Bit Torrenters on the morality of stealing is pointles
by commando cody
The sad truth is, today's Bit Torrenters are simply a reflection of today's teens (whose modern morals are in question to begin with) as well as the average Net-centered personality. They all think "everything" should be free and theirs for the taking -- movies, music, books, photographs, whatever. I hate to say that today's Bit torrenters totally lack morals since that's reaching a bit, but the truth is that each successive youth generation is now going to be less and less moral about stealing things or about compensating artists and subscribing to a legal definition of creative rights. Instead, today's teens -- and each generation hereafter -- are going to subscribe more and more to web-Communism (for lack of a better word). Because more and more you have teens and surfers who simply feel that things "belong" to them. That it's their "right" to have something, even if it means stealing it outright at the harm to another person (such as a creator looking to profit from his work). The worst example of this moral slackitude was a CNN Talkback Live I saw a while back, where some Hollywood and Recording people were debating a group of college kids who were avid bit torrenters. The highlight was one kid facing off against a Rapper whose music he loved and whose complete album library he admitted to bit torrenting for free. And that's how the kid defended it. That it was his "right" to TAKE the music free of charge, the same for movies or anything else. When the Rapper told the kid straight up "You know, this is how I make my LIVING. I expect to make money off my albums," the kid's response was a non-apologetic stance of "Hey, man, I'm a college kid. I have tuition to pay, book bills to pay. That costs a lot money and leaves me with little left over. But just because I have bills to pay, I don't think it's right that I should be deprived of music or movies and things that people who have money enjoy. I need them to relax, TOO. So just because I can't pay for them doesn't mean I'm not entitled to them, TOO. So I think it's only fair that I get to download them, otherwise I'm being left behind and left out of society. And that's not fair!" Of course, when the Rapper asked if the college kid spent ALL his money on tuition or books -- that is, he never had any spare money left over for beers at a bar with friends -- the kid's response was "Well, of course I have money for that. I have to get out, TOO. I copy your music for FREE so instead of paying for a CD, I can go buy beer. I can't get that for free!" And no matter how much the Rapper got mad at the kid, no matter what the Rapper or anyone else on the entertainment panel said, you could just see that it was all going over the Bit Torrenters heads. They just folded their arms and had this absolute sense of "Fuck you. If I can steal it for free, I will. If it costs you money out of your pocket, fuck you as well. Bottom line is, if I'm getting my entertainment AND it's keeping money in MY pocket, that makes it perfectly fine -- any morality about stealing be damned. All that matters is ME."
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Leave us alone with our Star Wars.....Almost all people here loves Star wars, but if you don
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Punks who download movies or music because they can't afford them are just that, punks. But to compare downloading a movie to stealing a screenplay is a bit out of context. Plagirism and copyright infringement are two different things. And on the music note (no pun intended): musicians make dick from record sales if signed to a major label. They make the majority of their income from touring.
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May 05, 2005 1:30:46 AM CDT
Asses like Minis Tirith are an example why the next upgrade to t
by big dumb ape
Seriously, don't let his posts bother you. It's clear he's just getting his love starved rocks off by perpetually trying to troll away at the SW boards -- he does it repeatedly. It would be one thing if he actually staked some intellectual ground and could defend his views, debated intellectually, but he's just interested in flaming people off. Which makes you realize how great it would be if Harry simply put in an IGNORE feature on the Talkbacks in the next AICN site upgrade like you can find on the Yahoo message boards. Then trolls like Minis would have NO AUDIENCE (people wouldn't even SEE his messages and would just talk around him) and the result would be he'd just disappear since ALL he wants is attention and to get under your skin. So just ignore him -- he's fucking insane and clearly has no taste. The more you respond to him, the more you're just encouraging him. ANY time you see his name in a SW talkback, it's a post that you can INSTANTLY scroll past.
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i can't scroll past his posts, though. They're too flippin' hilarious. Anybody who compares Yoda to Gollum is loonier than a... uh... a loon, I guess. I mean, come on! Gollum loves JEWELRY, fer Chrissake!
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But is so hard to pass this pendejo..... If i had him in front of me i would take the site out of him.
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"pendejo" meant "kind, gentle soul"? That's what mis amigos in FL told me.
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One thing about spanish meanings of insults is that you can apply it in so many ways depending the context.
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http://www.entertainment.news.com.au/story/0,10221,15183522-7485,00.html
Am I better than that fat wanker Harry or what? Anyway, these reviews I'm reading are beginning to make me think this film is gonna be a let down. By the sounds of this, it looks like Christensen has fucked it up again - and for fuxake Lucas, I wish you'd stop being a stuck up asshole who won't listen to viewers, or seem to do anything about your fucking dialogue and direction. You're ruining this film from the write ups I've been reading. Don't sound like the incredibly positive response I was hoping this film could earn. No one's said so far, like this is the best of all 6, or that this is on a par with Empire and A New Hope, which it really should be, considering it's story and dramatic potential. Oh, and I wish you lot on here would talk about the actual SW reviews articles Harry posts on here (it's what you've been waiting for all your lives) and not talk irrelevant shit. Fuck off Minis Tirith for a start. People have seen the film everyone, and they're finally telling you wether it might be good or not - so can we fucking talk about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????? -
That the most negative thing I've heard about ROTS so far is that despite having some flaws, it is still very entertainint , and that it is the best of the prequels. Considering that Ep. I and Ep. II are not bad movies (they are not precisely masterpieces, but definitively not as bad as some cynics make them sound), then it means that ROTS will be a hell of a fun ride, and all the haters in the world can go and form a line, and then start fisting their asses, the last one in the line fisting the ass of the one in front of him, and so on, until the very first in line go and fist the last one so the line becomes a circle. Since they are all full of shit, imagine the mess.
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.....typing all his shit out standing up, cos, yeah, he may have just managed to cram the sam, frodo and aragorn action figures up his brown tea-towel holder.... but its just impossible to sit, and he aint taking them out cos they feel sooooo good.....
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Please vote!!!
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Mate, check out my MinasTirithII posts earlier in this TB. . .and notice there has been no reply. Also notice that he has NO POSTS IN A LOTR TB regarding the Balrog giveaway from Sideshow Collectibles. I have not doubt he is a closeted SW fan. Come out of the closet MinasTirithII!!! AND BRING COCOLOPEZ WITH YOU!!
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"I want him dead, i want his family dead" (just quoting capone)
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"the most negative thing I've heard about ROTS so far"... sheet, it could turn out to be the most POSITIVE thing too. Sheet, better not say that 3 times. Thing is, when all these film making and also best ass kissing friends of George Lucas come out with their WOW! CRASH! BANG! WALLOP! WOW MICHELLE HEATON'S GOT HER TITS OUT AND THE ENTIRE DOG POPULATION ARE BANG CRASH WALLOPING HER! style sensational reviews - just like Harry did on AOTC - we all know not to pay them any attention. So far, Kevin Smith and Steve Spielberg (to an extent), have been the most positive, and we know a lot of the time they can be full of banthashit. Remember that Spielberg said that AOTC was better than A New Hope even, and we're all like, "Oh Steve fuck off and go play Catch Me If You Can with your feltchface rentboy, Tom Cruise, in his bedroom which he never layed a finger on Nicole Kidman in". Well, I just hope Drompter, that things stay that way as you stated, and that we get some honest reviews saying that it really is as good as we are TRULY hoping it to be, (truly, as in not just better than the PT's but as good as the OT's), and the reviews are in the opinions of the people that really matter - US!!!
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Plazola_Mex, as much as Minas TirithII pisses me off, I would rather he engage in an intelligent discussion than his usual rabble. To totally rip off Team America, there are 3 types of TBers: Dicks, Pussies, and Assholes. You can guess where MinasTirithII fits. He is an embarrasment to LOTR fans, brings nothing to the TBs, is absent on post about LOTR, and can't escape the vacuum that is his "LOTR or Nothing" mindset. I just want him to open up his eyes for once. Remember, a Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense. . .
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where does this cunt find the room????
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Sounds like some weird Hip Hop gang war don't it? You down with PPT? Now fuck you Nigger, we're down with OTT, you down with OTT (ay yo, dat wad mah best film ya know, whenever I do da sweetch, my haat, I cin arm wrestle a fickin mauntain ya know), no man fuck you bitch, we down with PTT! Hopefully they'll be a street shooting with Vanilla Iceman Cocolopez walking through his homeys(exuals) and get shot in the crossfire, just like that stupid kid in MC Hammer's 30 minute TV movie did - and the whole world will fucking laugh!! Sorry to talk irrelevant shit guys, but hehe, it is 07.48 UK morning time, and it's time for my bed.
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But remember we the Jedi have a mission.....destroy the dark side we must, An' u know who that is.....speaking of which,
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I thought that review seemed very positive. I remember when TPM and AOTC came out there were scorching reviews, but this one came no where close to that hate level. To quote George Michael "You gotta have faith-ah, faith-ah, faith-aaahhhh!!
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Plazola-Mex, I believe Cocolopez was last seen on the reject episode of American Idol. He also may or may not be operating under the moniker "Marvin Gardens". If you haven't got your ROTS soundtrack yet, hold off on John Williams so you can pick up Coco's finest "A Life in a Day"
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Ive been reading the posts regarding Bittorrents etc. NOW..... this may prove an unpopular post..... but if i could find ep3 on bittorrent right now, Id download that sucker! NOT BECAUSE I DONT WANT TO PAY FOR A CIMENA TICKET (COS IM GOING TO SEE THIS AT LEAST A FEW TIMES IN A CINEMA - CPT KIRKS 2PAY CAN CONFIRM THIS), BUT BECAUSE IVE GOT LESS PATIENCE THAN HAROLD SHIPMAN. If i did download it, i wouldnt sell it to anyone or copy it for anyone, I know that a movie is best seen in a cinema, but for me (who has loved star wars since i was about 5). i'll settle to watch it a week early on my tv at home - THEN GO TO THE CINEMA TO WATCH IT MORE THAN ONCE. I know its wrong, but in my opinion, if you DL something for yourself, but still pay to watch the sucker when it comes out- surely this isnt as bad as making 8000 copies in a hong kong chickboy sweatshop then flooding them into europeis it? NOW BACK TO MINASTIRITH2.......
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Right, damn you krullboy, got me singing that George Michael classic now. I can picture him in his gay jeans and dancing so crap, that the editors had to the 'strobe slow motion' button just to disguise his shocking dance moves. I reckon editors all over the world have this button named after him now that they had to use it so much. Who else is out there singing that song now? Anyway, eeeeeeerrrrrrr, what's wrong with me "picturing him in his gay jeans, dancing"? Me no Faggy feltchface man, only for Michelle Heaton(TM).
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That someone gave to Cocolopez the autor rights of the infamous soundtrack of the STAR WARS HOLIDAY SPECIAL....imagine the tragedy and the horror when he starts to make covers out of that!
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you actually have the george michael faith album (and fucking 5 star!!!)
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May 05, 2005 3:12:02 AM CDT
Cocolopez, Carless Whisper, and the Star Wars Holiday Special
by krullboy
Plazola_MEX, I can top that. How about Cocolopez, dressed up as Bespin Lando (with mustache), giving a spoken word performance of "Carless Whisper", set to the Holiday Special scenes of Bea Arthur pouring beer on Harvey Corman. . .or Coco and his "posse" singing "Can't buy me Love" by the Beatles, set to a reenactment of Qui-Gon arguing with Watto about Republic Dactaeries.
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Heh man, don't knock it, I've even got a gruesomely brilliant Stefan Dennis record - 'Don'titmakeyafeeeeelgooooooood!!!' Go stick that into your bit torrent you Cunt!
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Hey krull....do you want me to suicide or what?
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Hairy Nutsack. Tell me you're joking!!!! I thought I'd ge tto the end of that review and for you to say 'ONLY KIDDING EVERYONE!' Oh Fuck, this can't be true man. Oh, better go kill ourselves all now.
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and you had cameo motherfucker - word up!
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Just trying to give you a sheer vision of hell. Ha ha ha. Don't kill yourself. . .and discussing politics is like Yoday espouses in ESB. ."once you go down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. And Hairy Nut sack, thanks for the review. The one thing I noticed though, is that a lot of the stuff you don't like, ie light saber duels, are some of the things that some of the early reviewers praised. That being said, you have seen the movie and are entitled to your opinion. Ultimately, it will be up to the individual if he/she likes ROTS or not.
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What aboiut the others in the cinema? What were their individual comments? What did they all think? A lot of what you criticised seems to be stuff which I already know, and am OK about, ie, lack of Chewie etc, or stuff which I wouldn't criticise that much, such as the lightsabre fights, but sheet, some of the other gripes, acting, boring, surely it can't be that bad? You seem to be a lot more fussier than me, and I am not easy to please myself. Oh well, I'm reserving judgement, your opinion's not mine, but if I here too many others saying similar things, I may really start to lose hope.
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It is true that the reviews are not glowing, but no one so far has said that the movie is a letdown, nor even that is not as good as they were expecting, and I do not know what's your opinion about the previous two, but speaking as someone that thought that TPM was aceptable and AOTC was better than ROTJ, the fact that there's the concensus (so far) that ROTS is the best of the prequels is a guarantee that I will like it a lot. But yes, we have to wait for more reviews to form a better idea, so keep them coming. BTW, my post was not aimed at you. I started writing it before your post. It was aimed to the buch of assholes with hemorroids that despite that they haven't seen the movie, and seeing that early word is positive, still feel the need to come here and tell us how much the movie will suck, not knowing that it's just them.
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May 05, 2005 3:48:50 AM CDT
I'm confused - is it for kids or the story? Lucas ain't consiste
by elab49
He defends the first 2 by saying our opinions didn't count as he was doing it for the kids - the magic of the B&W serials for todays youngsters. He specifically used it as a defence for the awful JarJar.
NOW - it is all about the story apparently. While a small war crime was dismissed out of hand last film this time it will be darker, harder and not for the kids.
So which is it? And doesn't the swapping about just indicate a busted flush desperate to justify a series of mistakes.
I loved the original trilogy - they retained a magic for me. Except I rewatched them on DVD having realised what a poor and incoherent writer Lucas is, not to mention questions on filmmaking. And the magic is gone. From the originals - I just nitpicked the whole thing because the fantasy got punctured.
The only way this can be redeemed is if Lucas handed creative control to someone not one of his yes men. I will happily admit if I am wrong - but even the trailer holds out little hope. I assume some point 2/3 of the way through there will be another coincidental eavesdropping so some new character can explain the story. Weak :(
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That's not my review, I got it off TFN. I'm willing to bet it's legit, though. I read the script, saw a bunch of clips. I think it will probably be similar to TPM and AOTC. Bad dialogue, wooden performances, lame jokes, it will grind to a fucking halt after the first half hour only to pick up speed again at the end. Lucas had all this wonderful material to play with and it looks like he blew it. How do you fuck up the birth of Vader? Why are these characters so damn boring? Half the time they're running around not going anywhere. Sure, it will be entertaining but ultimately it's forgettable fluff. After the last two movies I got rid off all the stuff I had been colecting through the years. After this one I will be able to decide whether or not I'm still a fan of the series. I went back to the OT a few weeks ago, caught it on DVD. He changed even more, like Boba Fett now sounds like Tem Morrison. It's just getting worse and worse. He had this wonderful picture, made a bad copy and then decided to paint over the original to make it look more like the copy. He's killing off Star Wars. I don't consider myself a basher or a naysayer, I want it to be good and I do like some of the prequels. But most of it is just...ugh.
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You admit you did not actually seen da' movie?
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I haven't seen it yet. I read the script and I've seen dozens of clips and the guy's review sounds legit to me. Of course, it could be fake and I could be wrong and maybe Episode III is the best thing since sliced bread.
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Copied and pasted this from the same TFN page, just in case no one else has been there.
*The movie is good, but not great. Hell, even AOTC wasn't a great movie and it's early reviews said it was great.
*The Wookies add nothing to the movie.
*The effects while great, are sythetic and video gameish is some scenes. I'M GOING ON RECORD THAT RotS WILL NOT WIN AN OSCAR FOR FX.
*Acting is still pretty lousy. Everyone delivers their lines without conviction. It would've been nice if Lucas could've gotten the acting up OT levels, at least.
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...you'll be crying at the end of this film. Now THAT comment I'm beginning to believe, if future ones continue like these latest ones. Oh where's my Yoda teddy, I need a cry! Not now Michelle Heaton, I'm not in the mood anymore. Damn this stuff is potentially depressing.
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The only thing that remains is to wait. It's the only thing that's gonna dissapear the clouds. Like the X-files famous quote: Trust no 1
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Check this out http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1258&storyid=3071297
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PULL YOURSELF TOGETHER MAN - WAIT TIL YOU SEE IT - THIS ISNT LIKE YOU MATE - AND ALL THE REST OF YOU JUST WAIT TIL YOU SEE IT. I DONT GET HOW YOU CAN BE DEPRESSED AFTER READING A COUPLE OF REVIEWS. A FEW BAD REVIEWS DEPRESS YOU, SO DOES THAT MEAN A FEW GOOD REVIEWS WILL CHEER YOU ALL UP???? WAIT TIL YOU SEE IT. STAR WARS FILMS ARE LIKE PIZZA AND BLOW JOBS, EVEN IF THEYRE CRAP, THEYRE STILL FUCKING COOL ; ) banthafodder the eternal optimist
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That's the same review as my earlier link. http://www.entertainment.news.com.au/story/0,10221,15183522-7485,00.html
Don't steal my thunder man. Oh, this is getting silly now, all my petty squabbling. Calm down 2pay, don't lose your hair. Mind you though, since that long negative review got pasted onto this TB, I can't help the song in my head going, "IT'S ALL GONE QUIET OVER HERE! IT'S ALL GONE QUIET OVER HERE!"
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Too depressing. I'm off to play The Best of Wham.
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"This star shines: excellent end to an epic" CHEERS FOR THAT MATE -im optimistic about this
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This is my first post on the board after lurking for quite some time. I'm sure there are those of you who will flame me for posting my impressions of the film on my very first post but I had to add express my feelings.
I'll just say that I work in the main office for a very very very large retailer that will be selling mass quantities of SW merchandising. Because of this a select few were invited to a personal screening of the movie as a marketing incentive. Please dont ask me to get into the mondain aspects of retail marketing.
I am still numb and in my mind still sitting in front of the screen contemplating what I just witnessed. Not only was it the end of an era but it was more to me the beginning of a re birth of sorts for my love of this saga. This film was everything I could have dreamed for and more. I will just say that the last 30 minutes of the film had me saying "no, no, no....." then tears and more tears. This movie gave me a feeling much different than all the other films as it is quite different. Nothing will ever replace the feeling I have for the original 3 movies but this one just left me with a complete new understanding and insight into the rest of the combined pieces yet stands completely alone in its own right as a fantastic work. Dont let yourself get caught up in questions of acting, who may be in the movie and who is not, following the specific plot line and worrying yourself over the fact that all lose ends may not be tied up in a bow the way you would wish. Just let your mind go and put the outside world away and let the movie move you as it did myself and everybody else that was in the viewing. Do not read "technical reviews" of this movie and preconceive before going in. Those that write these reviews for the most part are writing their reviews based on just that ...the techincal aspects of the movie. For me the saga has always been much more than that...it has been spiritual in nature. And after lastnight......THE FORCE IS STRONG.
Enjoy Revenge of The Sith
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Remember I posted it first, I posted it first. 'Optimistic'. I was also optimistic that I'd get some fricking work done today, and not be on here all the fricking time. Wonder if George Michael is actually George Mucus' lovechild? Both got dodgy beards, quiffy demi waves, whenever they do anything toilet, it makes big news.
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Oooopss!! I'm sorry pal, I didn't see the link u posted....I'm really sorry, that flamin' negative review freaked me up.
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May 05, 2005 5:06:34 AM CDT
Oh, for God's sake! Who cares what OTHER people say in THEIR re
by triumph poops!
Seriously, I can't understand why people are getting their underwear in a knot over this and trading "good reviews" versus "bad reviews" as some sort of idiot and ridiculous personal validation over a fucking movie. Speaking as a genre fan AND a lifelong STAR WARS fan -- yes, baby, I was in line for the original opening back in '77 -- why you'd let SOMEONE ELSE decide if you'll like SITH or not (or any movie for that matter) is beyond me. For God's sake, there's been FIVE Star Wars movies. By now you should have a pretty fucking clear idea "what" SITH is going to be like. Hell, if you're any kind of STAR WARS fan you freakin' know what the movie is going in: Anakin goes bad, kills everyone, fights Obi Wan, becomes Darth Vader. The end. Hell, even my Mom and Dad figured THAT much out from the commercials. And they're in their late seventies and have decided it looks fun enough to make it their "movie event" for the year where they finally leave the house to actually go see a movie IN a theater. So they're taking the grandkids and off they go to have fun. The point being is they'll go and have fun and like any human with a functional brain stem will decide FOR THEMSELVES if they had fun or not. So who cares if this reviewer from the Force.net boards -- who is just another geek fan, mind you -- says shit about SITH? I can guarantee you that TOMORROW on the Force.net boards he'll be drowned out by another reviewer who loved it. Then they'll be some newspaper that says it's "eh"...than another praising it. In other words, as the saying goes there are as many opinions as there are assholes. Me personally, all I care about is putting MY OWN ass into a movie seat and enjoying the final chapter of a series I've enjoyed top to bottom. And I'm just looking forward to jumpstarting the summer movie season by sitting there with my big ass popcorn bucket, a large soda, maybe a hot dog or ice cream nuggets and just...relaxing. For crying out loud, it's only a fucking movie. Some of you make it seem like your existence for living depends on whether or not Lucas directs a camera shot in such-and-such a manner...or your lives will be shattered if Hayden or Ewan says (or don't say) their lines in such-and-such a dramatic way. For cryin' out loud IT'S JUST A MOVIE. Go and enjoy. Yes, it's that simple. Man, Shatner was right: a helluva lot more geeks in this world SERIOUSLY need to go kiss their first girl and GET A LIFE.
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May 05, 2005 5:19:38 AM CDT
And in total agreeance with the above I hypocritically copy and
by cpt kirks 2pay
Tony Potts, Access Hollywood reporter, just said on the show this evening: "Now I gotta tell you, I saw the movie last night and it is darker, it is more intense, there is more passion. It is the Star Wars movie everyone has wanted to see."
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No fucker is gonna tell me if im gonna enjoy this or not. Its the story of how anakin fucks up, how palp(enstein) takes over the universe, how obiwan cuts anakins limbs of and deep fries his three-piece-suite, and finally how anakin turns into vader!!! they could just show that and id be happy. CPT KIRKS 2PAY - SORRY JAY,I DIDNT SEE THE LINK THAT YOU PUT UP (BUT THEY ARE USUALLY LINKS TO BELLA DONNA OR MICHELLE HEATON, SO IM SURE YOU'LL FORGIVE ME - ARE YOU STILL COMING WITH ME AND SARA TO WATCH IT ON THE 19TH IN LEIC SQR MAN???) -REMEMBER THE UNFORGETTABLE LINE "THEY HAVEN'T GOT ANY TRAILERS"? god that shit was goooood. Krullboy - We need to send out some bounty hunters to find COCO(cunt)LOPEZ MAN!!!!!!!!
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Sorry to piss everyone off, this will be my last C & P. Heh, at least we beat fat ginger gonads Harry to posting the reviews eh?
A review from another thread :
I was fortunate enough to have been part of a special screening for industry execs here in Germany. I work in the film industry, and was able to kind of scam my way inside last night. Present were some members of the press, Lucas reps, and the techincal crew for Episode three who provided the sound and voices for Episode three in German.
Let me start by saying, i am a huge Star Wars fan but have been most dissapointed in the prequels thus far most especially in terms of writing/story. At times it "hurt" watching Episode two, really hurt........those days are long gone.
Right off the bat let me say that Episode three is a great film. I would hope that Lucas gets some much owed praise for this one and some apologies from those who thought he didnt "have it" anymore or had "lost touch." I rank this one with the ESB, only darker and much more twisted. The film of course starts off with a massive space battle which contains one of the longest extended uncut shots i have ever seen in a sci-film. Right off the opening credits and "boom" we are there, the camera seamlessly following Anakin and Obi-wan through chaos. There is much banter back and forth. In fact the beggining is very light indeed, full of lighthearted jests and one liners. At one point Obi-Wan and Anakin get caught in a force shield leaving Obi-wan to comment "hey what happened, we are smarter than this arent we?" Such is the opening. And it works. And even if as a viewer you are sitting there wondering why things are so light and frivoulous just wait. Just wait indeed. Ewan Macgregor is the stand out here enveloped in his role. Hayden will take some criticism for his often flat delivery, but i for the most part, liked what he was doing. It plays in nice opposition to Obi-Wan.
Anakin comes back a hero and then......... comes Palps. Ian Mac is awesome in this film. The way in which he "works" on Anakin is quite something to behold. Where there is no action in the film you begin to grow very uneasy because you know something IS going to happen and you notice Hayden unravelling. Yoda on Kasyyyk and Obi-Wan on Utapu is really quite something to behold. Beautiful to watch, the imagery breathtaking. This is a gorgeous film to look at. And technology has certainly taken a leap because Yoda in action is flawless. One of my fav moments was when Yoda suddenly springs in thie air literally rolling and flying at the clone troopers ordered to kill him.
There is so much to tell and i realize im going on and on so i will wrap it up. The last hour of the film is incredible the best of ALL six films and i mean that. It really IS APOCALYPTIC. Hayden must have enjoyed playing Vader because his performace takes a leap, even responding to one of his victims that the resemblance between himself and Anakin is "deceiving" before slaughtering him. Sidious is too evil for words striking at his victims so quickly you really understand the "true nature of the dark side" and it is thrilling. THE DUEL or shall i say DUELS are on a scale so huge, so intense, my heart was racing, and as "thrilling" as the dark side is let me just say that Yoda takes the fight to Sids as well, Sids barely escaping himself once or twice, at one point being flung across the room by Yoda. We all know Anakin loses in the end, but the way in which he goes out clutching his hands into the sand while literally being burt alive all the while yelling at Obi-Wan was heart wrenching. And one can see in Ewans face that he himself "dies" with Anakin there. Oh, and before i forget hats off to Mace. And in all honesty the Jedi could have probably benefitted from listening to him a tad more. In this film he is blunt and direct and when he takes on Sids it is no different. Mace attacks his foe with verocity fending off the force lightening with a scream-----AWESOME.
So sorry that took so long. I could spend the whole day writing there was so much to like in this film. If i was dissapointed by anything it was Grevous. Some of the love scenes i felt were a little "weak". Especially the one where he wakes up from his "dream".
But its interesting how once you reach the last hour you forget rather quickly what wasnt working. I would have paid the price of admission just to see it.
http://boards.theforce.net/Revenge_of_the_Sith_(Spoilers_Allowed)/b10331/19322697/p35
Sod it everyone, looks like there's reviews along these TFN TB pages. Go to my link and just go through each page. I can't be arsed anymore. This all cheers me up, but bollox, wait till opening day. Anyway I can't stick around here all day, I got shit loads of Swimming with Tiger Shark footage to edit and only a day to do it in,so I'm gonna go off and show you what real fucking hard work is all about. Now, where did those Ander Page/Michelle Heaton (TM) porn downloads go...? -
May 05, 2005 5:37:57 AM CDT
"No fucker is gonna tell me if im gonna enjoy this or not"
by plazola_mex
Yup that
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THE IMPRESSION I GOT FROM READING THE NOVEL WAS THAT SIDIOUS/PALP FICTION ACTUALLY HINTED THAT HE CREATED ANAKIN (THE PART WHERE HE SAYS HE CAN MANIPULATE MIDICUNTIONS TO THE EXTENT WHERE HE CAN CREATE LIFE OR RETURN THE DEAD TO LIFE ETC). what do you think of this? i wonder if it will be mentioned in the film, its quite a major reason why panicking skywalker decides to 'learn these powers'
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May 05, 2005 5:41:31 AM CDT
MINUSPENIS2 HAS A RUBBER GOLLUM HANGING OUT OF HIS RUSTY SHERRIF
by banthafodderuk
he cant quite fit it all in as he's not the real lord of the RING
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May 05, 2005 5:49:42 AM CDT
"Krullboy - We need to send out some bounty hunters to find COCO
by krullboy
BanthafodderUK, that is a great fucking idea. And in the spirit of this TB, I say we dispatch a consorium of George Michael Fett, Boy-IG88-George, and Gary "Greedo" Glitter to find our beloved Cocolopez. Why those three? Because CocoLopez is obviously hiding out with MinasTirithII in Brighton Beach, singing Karakoe to his spoken word albums.
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you know full fucking well, as the rest of you do, that cocospunkdress is watching us all the time, coming to read these talkbacks, and fucking shitting himself about all the things that we say about him, but is too shit scared to dare write anything, 'cos he knows we'd be on him straight away and ripping him apart. He's out there right now. Heh Coco, you can here me can't you fuckface, you're reading me right now aren't you, in your 2 dime a minute internet booth that you run to on your Mcdonald's coffee breaks. Man you must make a mess every time you start jazzing yourself up and down, as you knock one out over your pervert internet sites there. Must be difficult though, what with your Mama waiting outside to give you more change when your credits run out. Now get off vanillaicefistfuxmchammer.co.ukunt, and get yo trainfucked ass onto here. Talkbackers queing up with ego slaughtering comments are standing by.
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COCO is currently the 6th link in an anal daisy chain, 'sunk to the nuts' with MInas TirithII at the ZAP club on Brighton beach frantically recording a 'spoken (what a load of bollocks) word' reworking of Kylie Mingue's greatest hits. BOUNTY HUNTERS WE NEED THAT KIND OF SCUM MAN
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MinasTirithII and Cocolopez are exploring each other to do a 69 watchin' Shane's world with a 35 inch vibrator strokin' each other.
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Oh my, the images in my head!! That was freaking hilarious!! And CptKirk's post was epic as well. One question. When Coco sings the words to "Can't get you out of my head", do you think he changes it to a more suitable version like "Can't get you off of my head" or "Can't get you into my bed"?
PS: There is a major Screening of ROTS for the media today, so prepare for the review landslide. -
May 05, 2005 6:08:07 AM CDT
As acid house etched its mark on Britain in the late 80's and ea
by krullboy
Cocolopez, FYI. Also, ROTS related, I wonder why none of these reviews have talked about Jimmy Smits as Bail Organa? It seems like he will have some good scenes, but no one has talked about him
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Im not too sure about him - Ive never seen anything he's been in before (was he in LA LAW or something). However, he plays quite an important part in ROTS (at least acording to the novel, etc) so fingers crossed (Krullboy, do you think i use ((brackets)) too often in my posts) (?)
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No I don't mate!! In fact, it probably helps from getting MinasTirith and Cocopuffs confused.The only time I draw the line with paretheses is when slags make smiley faces with them, such as :) or :( or :} or :{. That really pisses me off. It is ok if you are a 12 year old girl, but not if you are a 34 year slag that has 15 years of experience pulling three-headers after last call.
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All the greatest hits of MILLI VANILLI a al Cocolopez's Style!
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Is that if Padme is pregnant - WHERE ARE HER FUCKING JUGS??? she can't be leia's mum- we need more WAPS (and i dont mean mobile phones) in star wars - they even cut oola's tit flash out of ROTJ. when the DVD is released, I want a soapy tit wank on the special features or im not buying the fucker (ok, we all know ill buy it whatever the tit situation) (oYo)
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One question. Had Vader killed Luke in ROTJ and turned Leia to the Dark Side, do you think she could have shot Force lightning out of her breats, or just her fingertips?
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May 05, 2005 6:32:57 AM CDT
You're such a wankbox Coco, you're becoming rather famous
by cpt kirks 2pay
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=wanker+cocolopez&meta=
Come out Coco. You're running like a coward. Running more than Vanilla Ice's backside, after you've shoved your Cocopop inside it. -
I just received word that the "kylie minogue" drag fest went terribly wrong for the Gary Glitter-led Cocolopez Brighton Bash. His publicist sent me this link, showing his press statement:
http://poetry.rotten.com/potatoes-n-jelly/0003/ and ROTS will be in the top 3 SW (just to stay on topic). -
May 05, 2005 8:06:50 AM CDT
"I guess courtesy and actual debate is too much to ask from some
by minderbinder
It is if the opposing point of view drones on endlessly with nothing to say. Sorry, I have better things to do with my time than waste it on the rantings of someone who can't write concisely, especially on a topic that's so trivial.
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KIRK/KRULL - PURE GENIOUS
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=wanker+cocolopez&meta=
http://poetry.rotten.com/potatoes-n-jelly/0003/
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Cnn says SITH is not for the squeamish.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Movies/05/04/film.starwars.rating.ap/index.html -
what a genius eh? (what a wanker)
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May 05, 2005 9:43:26 AM CDT
DarthRicker - "And on the music note (no pun intended): musician
by dagan
The artists themselves make quite a bit of money from their record contracts. And the records and promotion the record companies give to those albums so they can make money are the biggest advertisements for the tours. Take away profit incentive from the record companies and these artists will not get their record deals, they will not get good producers from the record companies to help them cut their albums, and they will not get the promotional push that makes their concert tours possible. Basically, we'll be in a "garage band only" situation. This is worse for movies, though, as music is relatively cheap to produce as a product - it's the talent that costs a lot. Movies, regardless of talent involved, costs thousands of times more - hundreds of thousands of times more in many cases, than music. If movies get hit with the same level of piracy we have in music, there simply won't be a movie industry anymore.
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May 05, 2005 9:48:49 AM CDT
Minderbinder - "It is if the opposing point of view drones on en
by dagan
Nothing to say? Not concise? Just because something is long it does not make it "droning" or "not concise". Every bit of my post back to you gives different reasons and factual support for my argument. You provide no factual support for yours and hardly any logical reasoning at all. The post is long, but it's full of an advancing argument. Secondly, the topic is not "trivial" at all. It's talking about theft, and the destruction of the movie industry. If you'd read the post, you would've seen my information on the destruction of the Hong Kong film industry due to piracy - films cost so much to make that taking away profit motive will and has(in Hong Kong) chased the innovators and investors out - they left to do other things where they could actually make a living. If people like you keep pirating, there will be no more movie industry. And you'll not only put hundreds of thousands of "normal" people(crew members) out of work, you'll also rob our culture of movies because of your parasitic selfishness.
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Everyone knows gorillas can't read aloud. GoGo fucking signed the whole Tolkien trilogy to you, didn't he? Didn't he?!?! And with that bit of truth revealed I just have one question for you: What is the universal sign for gay hobbit love and is it as funny as I imagine when performed by furry monkey fingers? Seriously, man... that was some fuinny shit you posted up above. Cheers!
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Anchorite, I'm taking your point into consideration. However, we're placing the law against downloading movies into question. Simply saying that we're breaking the law doesn't end the conversation. I know where Dagan stands on this, but I'll ask you this question again, Anchorite: Would you still be against "stealing movies" if the supposed "thieves" still continued to pay and watch those same "stolen" movies in theaters? I'm just curious.
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May 05, 2005 1:00:45 PM CDT
"Every bit of my post back to you gives different reasons and fa
by minderbinder
What I stated is my opinion. Feel free to disagree with it. No amount of "factual support" is going to change your mind, so I'm not going to waste everyone's time. And Stifler, I think you need to read more carefully, in your comment to me you're actually AGREEING with what I said. Might want to take a look at that.
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I'm just trying to see both sides of the issue. Anything wrong with that? There are actually two sides whether you choose to see it or not. Is one side right? Yes. Your side. But I'm not going to say it's right because there are plenty of laws in the books that say so. I prefer to say you are right because downloading movies would support the continuation of piracy and lead to the demise of the film industry. Also, if I was so damn selfish, as you put it, do you really think I'd be talking to you to gain more perspective on this issue? Or would I already be on Bittorrent (which I'm not), trying to download ROTS?
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I have to agree with you on this one. Anchorite - I am very sympathetic to your aims, but your apporach needs some modification. I realize that righteous anger is something that's justified here, but JeeBus is not the close-minded guy that Minderbinder is. JeeBus is just looking for different perspectives on the issue, which is something to be encouraged, not shot down. Responses like the one you gave are more appropriate to the Minderbinders of the world - people who refuse to even listen to what the other side of the argument is. JeeBus and others like him are to be commended for being intellectually curious and intellectually honest. Many are neither.
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Perhaps my method for getting some debate going was incorrect. Truth be told, I never heard of Bittorrent till I read this very talk back. I'm not into downloading movies or music. I just wanted to hear some better arguments against movie piracy and thought I would get better responses if I took a side. You're right Anchorite, I was placing myself on the side of the thieves, but not to defend my actions of piracy (which again, I don't do). I did it to see how well you defend yours and if I could ultimately agree with you, which to some extent I do.
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And by "defend yours" I mean how well you defend your position against illegal downloading and piracy. I don't want any confusion to arise. And, um, I know this is a bit late in the talk back, but Revenge of the Sith is going to be great! I haven't seen it yet but the reason I think it will be great is that the plot demands more action than the previous prequels did. I gots to see some wookies and light saber fights!
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JeeBus - were you satisfied with the arguments I've put forth for my side? You say "to an extent", I'd be very interested to know what you did or didn't agree with.
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Am I breaking the law? Sure. Rigeous indignation? No, I just don't want to spend money on a bad movie (which provides funding for future bad movies). You call me dishonorable. Fine. I don't care. I've never claimed that downloading movies is honorable. As for "acting responsibly", I feel that I am and wish more people would stop paying to see bad movies. Let's be clear here. I do not advocate downloading all movies, just ones that look to have a high risk of being bad. Since I happily pay to see good movies, I'm not putting the film industry at risk. But if the lack of my dollars has the result of less bad movies being made, I ABSOLUTELY have no problem with that. If your name calling is an attempt to try and make me feel bad, you should proabably rethink your strategy.
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Dagan, I agree with you 100%. However, before these debates I did not take into consideration the very act of downloading and how it perpetuates piracy even if you end up purchasing whatever it is you download. When I said "to an extent" I was referring to Anchorite. I don't agree with calling something immoral or wrong simply because the law says it is and because many people agree. These were some of the arguments Anchorite used. So, yes, Dagan I was satisfied with the arguments you put forth and also with the way you put them forth. A calmer and more understanding argument, in my book, is a more persuasive one and will, ultimately, change more minds.
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I agree with you on the "calling something immoral or wrong simply because the law says it is", and I also agree with you on the nature of the conversation here. On the first point, while I find it important to observe and protect the rule of law(except in cases of tyranny, of course - but that's obviously not the issue here when we're talking about stealing versus voluntary, mutally beneficial transactions), I also don't equate "lawful" necessarily with "moral". Though a great many laws do, indeed, equate with "morality"(and stealing is obviously one of them), I don't think that ALL do. As an example, look at drugs. I've never taken an illegal drug in my life, because I just haven't felt the urge or the need, but I don't think smoking pot or something like that is inherently "immoral". I think it can lead to immoral things, and its overuse could probably be classified as immoral, as one can waste their potential on getting high. But I don't think smoking pot is "immoral" in general. It IS illegal, but it probably shouldn't be. It's no different than beer, really, and I don't think the government has any business in regulating what we put into our own bodies - isn't that our choice if we're of sound mind and judgement? And that goes for illegal drugs, as well as drugs the FDA takes years to approve that we should have the choice to take on our own, before approval, if we want to take the risk. It should be YOUR choice what you put into your body. You can regulate things related to that, such as drinking/smoking pot and driving, which then becomes society's problem, as you are endangering others. But doing drugs at home should be legal. Now I say it SHOULD. But that doesn't necessarily mean you should go out and start lighting up. It's still illegal - but in a Democratic society, we have mechanisms to change such things. Go start a movement to persuade yoru fellow citizens to help you change the law, for instance. So I think you're right about the "immoral" argument versus something being legal. I do think it's immoral to engage in piracy, law or not, because you're ripping somebody off and violating the social contract to enrich yourself - you're hurting many in the process of being selfish and taking something that's not yours.(I'm not using "you" to mean you, JeeBus, just the hypothetical "you" who might do stuff like this that we're talking about). I'm glad you're satisfied with my arguments, as I am satisfied with your comments and your approach. I think this conversation has shown (with a few of us here anyway) what a good discourse can be in a Talkback type situation. You CAN get somewhere if people are rational and open.
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In addition to my arguments and other statements here against piracy, I think something just as telling and persuasive is the LACK of anything approaching a convincing or logical argument coming from the other side of the issue. The pro-piracy camp simply cannot mount an intelligent defense of their actions, so they're forced to engage in these pathetic, "hit and run" style bullet points that are not very thought out at all. It is very telling, indeed - the lack of any coherent pro-piracy argument is just as convincing, or should be, as the good anti-piracy points that have been made in this thread.
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Ever consider that the Empire was constructing the two Death Stars near simultaneously but the second Death Star was maybe a few years behind the first one?
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...yes..yes...yes. BUT heres a thing.... the only means of getting the original starwars trilogy UNTAMPERED nowadays is through bootlegs.
I have the trilogy on LD...and I have them on bootleg dvd too (included on ROTJ is the Revenge of the Jedi trailer)...fact of matter is...no matter how much the fans pleaded for the original cuts to be included GL did not deliver them.
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That's a thornier issue. Normal piracy, is of course, indefensible and harmful to everybody. But you're talking about material that is not commercially available, and is not being sold. I'd have to think more on this. But on first blush I'd say as long as you buy the version that the seller is selling as well on DVD, then getting an alternate version that is commercially unavailable and is not being sold isn't that big a deal - but again, I'd need to think through the ramifications of this first before I made up my mind on it.
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Dagan, I agree with you about morality vs. law. Using law to defend one's morals won't work unless you prove that the law itself is based on some moral foundation. I also agree with your example with pot, which brought up a very good idea. If in general, we are aiming to not hurt society and if this is part of the reason why we all engage in a social contract then it would be wrong to engage in piracy (as the Hong Kong example proves) because it hurts alot of people. This also leads to ANGEL-EGGS point about the untouched OT. I don't believe it falls under the realm of commercial availability and so the downloading or underground purchasing of it will not bring harm to anybody. Lucas should realize that there is a market out there for the untouched OT and start selling, otherwise he's losing some potential profit. Dagan, I also agree with you about the lack of pro-piracy arguments being another defense of how piracy and illegal downloading is almost indefensible (I say almost because there might be a good argument out there). I have another question for anyone that cares to respond: If it was known that Lucas was planning on selling the untouched OT say a year or two from now then at that point would it still be wrong to sell, buy or download that item during the time it is not being sold?
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...Ive got the recently released dvd boxset of starwars...so I guess that levels things out.
Im currently hard at animating my own film and it would...money aside...profit aside...piss me right off if the film was spread & sold for profit without my consent. I can understand that. Im a film collector and if I cant get the films I want through normal retail means I will find other ways. But im a low budget filmmaker and GL is very wealthy...does GL really care for his creation these days? At some level...I think he does. -
...I think it is wrong to pirate someones elses creation...irregardless of how much it makes.
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These people are all Berzillionaires!! I'm not talking about that Hong Kong BS. Did you bit torrent haters ever think of the *other* side of the coin??? I DL'ed a Joe Satriani Music cd and loved it. I have been buying his concert tickets ever since!!! I would have never have heard it, if I didn't DL it first for free. 3 types of people DL this stuff for free. 1) the person who dl'ed it and would never buy it,even if said person could dl it or not. 2) the person who dl'ed it and will buy it even if said person could dl it or not. 3) the person who if he *can* dl it won't buy it at all. Seems to me person #3 is the only one who could hurt the *BIZ*, and even that is a *very* small chunk of change compared to what they will bank off this stuff. I have bought many things *legally* because I have had the chance to check it out first for free. Where I would have never even known it existed. Fucking Idiots!!!!!!!! Napster was the best thing to happen to music and the powers that be fucked us all in the ass.
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and that is a fact.
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Who gives a shit is right. Get a fucking life you whining losers! Most of these people have more money than GOD. WTF??? That asshole LARS killed Napster. He was giving his music away in the beginning and when he got to be a Billionaire, he started crying about people DL'ing his music. That fucking asshole has more money than the next 5 generations of his family could ever spend! You people that whine about "its the artists property Whaaaaa, its stealing, Whaaaaa." If I really thought that it was taking food off their tables than I would have a problem with this. The fact is, most of these famous people are losing a *very small* % of what they get in the long run.
Nobody whines about VCR's, you can tape all you want off tv?!?! Why can't I just dl it instead!?!? WTF is the difference!?!? -
At the end of Fellowship, as Aragorn and Boromir are battling the Uruk Hai, Frodo stands at the shore trying to work up the courage to take the boat across the river Anduin and continue to Mordor alone. Suddenly he remembers his exchange with Gandalf in Moria. Frodo: "I wish the ring had never come to me, I wish none of this had happened." Gandalf: "So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All you have to decide is what to do with the time given to you." Frodo then finds the courage to get in the boat. As for Luke's missing body part, true he lost the hand in Empire and cut off Darth's in Return, but didn't he get shot in his prosthetic hand, or didn' the Emperor hit it with lightning or something? It's been awhile since I've seen it and I can't remember. But regardless, both formerly callow youths makes it through their mythic journeys a litter older, a little wiser, and missing body parts.
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"Most of these people have more money than God." Each Hollywood film is made by literally hundreds of people. They are made and marketed by literally thousands. Only a very few "above the line" people in that are making really good money. The director, producers and actors mainly. Go ask a grip about how much he makes per year. I know many crew members - they work job to job and sometime's it's very tight. These people are normal, working class people that are employed by the movie industry. When you download you hurt THEM and their families. You ARE taking food off of people's tables. Again, look what happened to the Hong Kong film industry because of piracy - completely decimated. That's THOUSANDS of families that lost their livelihood - in just one town, because people like you think it's okay to steal from your comfortable computer chair. Hong Kong PROVES what happens to a film industry that is dealing with piracy. It costs so much money to make a film and take so many people that taking away the monetary incentive to make them will simply result in it being impossible to make movies. Innovators will go to other businesses where they can actually profit from their labor, and investors will no longer put money into something that people like you decide is your "right" to just take as you please. And even it it were only hurting "rich" people, that still wouldn't be an excuse. You have every right NOT to buy something if you don't like the price, the quality, or the artist. But that's where your rights stop. You do not have right to set your own price by stealing. If you don't like Lars, then don't listen to Metallica. Plain and simple. And they're not losing a "very small" amount - again, in Hong Kong they went from making 300 films per year, many the best films to come out that year in any country, to making just 64 per year last year, and they almost all sucked - because the innovators and the money is gone BECAUSE of piracy. TV? Do you even know how TV makes its money? The shows are FREE. They sell it with ADVERTISING. So, of course, you can tape TV shows. The're free anyway, and that just means you'll watch the advertising more! Films on TV? HBO, etc? Sure you can tape them. But they are aware you might - that's why those revenue streams are tapped into AFTER theatrical releasing, and AFTER DVD, and AFTER the pay per view windows. Then it goes on TV, when those other markets have been mostly used. The TV station pays a liscencing fee - by that time they don't really care if you record it. It's NOT piracy. You should really think this through more and understand how people make money in this industry, and how many people are involved in making films. Then you can really see how many people you're hurting by being so selfish.
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is that George will make millions to add to his millions no matter how many downloads get done. But go on with your "insignificant rebellion" if you want to.
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