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Another Whedon-ite bows at the altar of SERENITY!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with another SERENITY review for you Whedon fanatics. This one doesn't tell me much more than the previous reviews have as to whether or not I, a non-fan, will be able to enjoy this flick as the review comes from a self-proclaimed Whedon geek. However, it is very well written. This person is obviously in love with the worlds of Whedon and good on 'im. I know some people don't get worlds that I love, like that of Stephen King's THE DARK TOWER and Fred Dekker's universe as glimpsed in underappreciated classics NIGHT OF THE CREEPS and THE MONSTER SQUAD. I hope I really dig SERENITY, but I won't know until I see it in September, I guess. Here's the review! Enjoy!!!

Dear Quint,

I was also present at the Serenity screening in Australia. I'm writing to you with my own review after reading the two that were recently posted on AICN. Both had pretty strong opinions about the film, and both were criticised for not going into enough detail about what they did or didn't like it for. I thought maybe I could add some broad detail without going into spoilers. If you think this is worth printing, please feel free.

As a film, Serenity has a lot going for it. As you might expect from the pen of Joss Whedon it is by turns funny, scary, dramatic, and sad; sometimes all four within a single scene. In terms of tone, it's not content to settle into a predictible rhythm. It keeps mixing it up, so that you never quite know which way it's going to jump next. In less capable hands this might feel choppy or indecisive. But it works a treat over and over as one dramatic scene is undercut with humor, and the next humorous scene is undercut with a sudden fright. I found myself jumping in my seat or leaning forward so many times I lost count. Broadly speaking, the first half of the movie is lighter and more inviting, before things settle down at the midway point and become a little more gritty, while still leaving room for laughs.

Overall the script juggles the characters pretty well. Joss knows how to write for the Firefly crew. And his original movie creations (The Operative, Mr Universe and others) are equally as interesting. As a villain The Operative is not quite like any bad guy I've seen before. His motives, while a little out there, never feel less than real and he comes across as very three dimensional, badass and occasionally sympathetic. The Serenity crew are as fun and compelling as ever. Not surprisingly, some of them get more exposure than others. Nine main characters are going to work perfectly well in a tv series, but in a two hour movie? Not so much. Captain Mal Reynolds is front and centre. As the plot concerns River, she gets a pretty big chunk as well. And when you throw in a villain and some utility characters to keep the story moving, you've got to expect that not every one of the other seven shipmates are going to get equal screentime. But everybody gets their moment to shine. The characters that serve the plot best stay more visible and others move back. If you were writing this story from scratch without the constraint of having to fit in an existing cast, you would probably lose one or two of these guys. But it's to Joss's credit that he pulls off a balancing act here.

Thematically the film is really about two things: Belief and Truth. Our belief in things and how they drive us to acts both good and bad. And the search for truth; both discovering the personal thruths that define us as people as well as uncovering the larger social and political truths. It's far from an allegory but it touches on points about governmental misconduct and control of media that feel very topical. Yeah belief and truth are really the driving forces of the whole thing. With Mal and The Operative being the two sides of the coin. Mal's beliefs drive his quest to uncover the truth and set things right. These beliefs and the truth about what sort of man he really is also hamper him at every turn, as his conscience stops him from being the petty crook that he would like to be to make his life less complicated. The Operative on the other hand is driven by his absolute belief in concealing the truth for the greater good. He is a monster and knows it, but for him the ends justify the means, and a showdown between him and Mal is on the cards from the very beginning. Two fundamentally different men (and yet men similarly driven on by what they know is right) will test their faith against each other to decide whether mankind will stay in the dark and maintain the status quo, or learn the terrible secret River's story conceals and plunge into dangerous new territory. It's a subtext that I found both relevent and compelling and Im sure it won't be lost on anybody that wants to see more than some nice explosions.

The plot follows a basic three-act structure; an introduction of the characters and settings, followed by the central mystery being explored and solved, and a big action conclusion to wrap it all up. Everything is set up for the uninitiated, and this really does feel like it's own story rather than a footnote to some tv show. Fans will be pleased to see so many plot threads from Firefly integrated into the main story. Some are only touched on while others have been disgarded completely but most questions that were left hanging from the series are neatly wrapped up without distracting from the plot.

The one thing I can't pretend to be is objective. I'm a fan and I saw this movie as a fan. And fans are going to go ape for it, no question. I hope that non-fans and movie goers generally will respond well. This does NOT feel or look like a tv show on a big screen (a criticism levelled often at the latter Star Trek films). It feels like a big budget, blow your socks off sci fi action film. It's not going to be the next ID4 in terms of it's turnover. But it should do very well if it finds its audience. Knowing Firefly is going to add a level of emotional depth to the events of the story. But I'm reasonably sure that a casual audience will respond well to what they see, if only on a superficial level. We'll know for sure come September.

If there are any specific questions with regards to stuff I didn't cover, I'm happy to answer them in a talkback. If you use this please call me Benny the Bunny.

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  • April 30, 2005, 4:37 a.m. CST


    by TheDarkShape

    Such insight.

  • April 30, 2005, 4:47 a.m. CST

    Does this movie have sexy whores?

    by Rant Breath

    Cuz if not, count me OUT!

  • April 30, 2005, 4:50 a.m. CST

    Sexy whores AND killing.

    by Ole Gravy Leg

    Perfect movie.

  • April 30, 2005, 5:09 a.m. CST


    by RogueScribner

    September 30 is too far away. Thank the maker I'll be in Atlanta to catch Whedon and most of the FIREFLY cast before the premiere! God, don't let me die until October first!!!

  • April 30, 2005, 5:27 a.m. CST

    The One Indisputable Reason To Believe It Will Be Good

    by YND

    Haven't been reading around on these SERENITY TBs much, so I don't know if this has been mentioned (sorry if I'm repeating). There is one MAJOR indication that this is going to be a flat-out rockin' flick: I don't think Whedon would've been signed to WONDER WOMAN if the suits hadn't been really impressed by SERENITY. You know they must've seen it in some state before making the decision to give their big summer tentpole franchise superhero movie to an untested feature film director. And if you can please the rabid FIREFLY fans on one end of the spectrum and the studio execs on the other -- what is there to indicate it's gonna blow? Even as a complete BUFFY fan, I was a little nervous... till that WW vote of confidence. Now, I can't wait till Sept.

  • April 30, 2005, 6:02 a.m. CST

    I'm sick and tired of Joss being blamed for Alien:Resurrection

    by Zardoz

    Sure, he wrote it. And yes, it pretty much sucked, but it was still WAY better than Alien3. (And it had some VERY cool parts; my biggest problem was with the ending) But the facts are, Whedon didn't direct the movie;that was Mr. Jean "I don't need to speak English to direct an Ah-merde-ican movie" Pierre-Jeunet. (everyone knows it's the director who's got the power in Hollywood, not the lowly screenwriter; waddya think, Joss was on the set telling Sigourney to hump an Alien?) Secondly, he brought back a character, Ripley, that had been KILLED, FUCKING KILLED in the previous movie! To accomplish that feat alone, and do it plausibly, should be at least worth SOME credit. Thirdly, does anyone remember how fucking AWFUL Alien3 was/is? Alien:Resurrection is like an apology for all the shit we had to swim through in the last movie. ("Sorry we took a dump on the franchise with that last film, boys...does this help with the post-traumatic stress?") I don't blame Mr. Whedon for the faults of A:R, I blame society... no wait, I blame the French guy. Yeah, fuck him right in his Gallic twat! Serenity will rule, bitches!

  • April 30, 2005, 6:30 a.m. CST

    Question about SFX

    by kibbled

    I was wondering if the SFX was going to be the same as the show, in particular the no sound and shakey cam when in space.

  • April 30, 2005, 6:38 a.m. CST

    re: Question about SXF

    by hulk_beanpoll

    First, please excuse the User ID. I am Benny the Bunny. I just signed up under this name ages ago. The cut of the film we saw was on digital tape and the special effects weren't finished. So I can't speak to that point for sure. From recollection space was silent unless they were in a planet's atmosphere and later in a nebula or something. The effects that were finished looked great generally but I just don;t remember if they did the shakey cam bit. Sorry. Alot of the interior ship filming was clearly steady-cam though, in the style of the show.

  • April 30, 2005, 8:32 a.m. CST

    To GapeThatAss, GoatZinger, Prior Walter, and others...

    by WillowFan2001

    You know, amazingly, if Serenity doesn't interest you, you don't have to go into any talkback that deals with it! If you don't agree with what's said about Whedon and Serenity in the articles, you don't have to post in the talkback about how much everyone who likes Whedon's work is a moron! To all those who will inevitably follow the people I mentioned in the subject line, your pathetic need to trash something other people enjoy just because YOU don't like it is tiresome. Just go the f*** away and leave us to our talkback.

  • April 30, 2005, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Slooow down on Serenity news or you're gonna blow your wad befor

    by HypeEndsHere

  • April 30, 2005, 9:38 a.m. CST

    I don't like Buffy or Angel

    by thedoctor28

    But I am a sci-fi fan. A friend of mine lent me the Firefly series on dvd and I thought it was a really goos show. More caracter development in 14 eps than Enterprise in 4 years. I watched the Serenity trailer and it look like it will be a good movie. I'm no Joss lover but the Firefly eps were good sci-fi. *ANY* sci-fi fan should like this stuff. I never could get into Buffy or Angel, don't know why. I have lent the dvds to other people who know nothing of Joss and they liked the 14 eps as well. Go Serenity!! ---can't wait...

  • April 30, 2005, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Sorry for the spelling....

    by thedoctor28

  • April 30, 2005, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Visual Effects differences

    by Killah_Mate

    Though we now know there is no sound in the space scenes, it seems to me from the trailer footage that the visual effects HAVE changed. The movie no longer seems to use Firefly's trademark "dirty" VFX, with the shaky cam and jump-zooms and focusing. The space scenes all look grandiose, with the camera being very stable and quite focused all the time; standard dollies and pans all over. I can understand why, with an enormous budget and attempted mass-appeal, Whedon and Zoic (the VFX company) wouldn't want to risk an unorthodox approach, but I really hope this isn't the case. I really liked the style, and we've seen from Battlestar Galactica (also done by Zoic) that it can lend immense realism to a CG sequence and really "put you there", which is the point, after all. Also, actual footage is still the messy Steadicam we know from the show, so old-school VFX wouldn't fit in. And it's never been done in movies before, which for me is reason enough to do it now :)

  • April 30, 2005, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Angel was one of the best written shows on TV

    by Blarneyman

    Amazing. If you never got into it, I don't blame you. I became a huge fan on DVD and I'm still missing it now it's gone. It truly was a fantastic show.

  • April 30, 2005, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Gina Torres

    by cuttr

    That's what impresses me about Whedon. I don't like Gina Torres. Never did. But while watching the Firefly DVD's, I started to notice how much she impressed me and how, well, attractive she was. To me, that's a credit not only to her, but to Whedon.

  • April 30, 2005, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Six or nine?

    by Gislef_crow

    "Nine main characters are going to work perfectly well in a tv series, but in a two hour movie? " Funny, the ad says "Six rebels." They might have better luck fitting ni nine characters if tehy acknowledge three of them exist.

  • April 30, 2005, 11:38 a.m. CST

    the Alien 4 script was pulled apart

    by coop

    For the people that keep using Alien 4, X-men and the original Buffy movie as a reason Joss sucks, the directors and studio changed his original scripts. What we got is NOT what was intended in the original script. Serenity is the first time one of his film scripts will actually be used entirely and read as it is supposed to be read. If after this film you don't like his writing, then you can reference Serenity as an example, but those other films are not valid reasons.

  • April 30, 2005, 12:01 p.m. CST

    re: six or nine

    by crazyhobo

    1 passenger with a past. 6 rebels on the run. 2 main cast members not on the ship (at least at the start of the movie). 9 in total

  • April 30, 2005, 2:57 p.m. CST

    That's BS coop

    by one9deuce

    I read the Alien: Resurrection script on the Alien Quadrilogy DVD, and it is pretty close to what they finished with. And his script sucked anyway, so even if they had followed it to the letter the film would have still been a colossal piece of shit. I can't understand why everyone thinks Serenity is going to be great. It looks like a television show, and they are releasing it on September 30th! The end of September is where they send all the crap.

  • April 30, 2005, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Joss, I can help you...

    by brattain

    I am a very powerful person who can help the grosses for Serenity. Okay, I'm really just the GM of a little 8-plex in West Central Florida, but I can still do something from here to generate more interest than usual. How appropriate would it be to have a little, independently owned multiplex be the US, ok, Florida, ok, central Florida debut of Serenity? I'll be happy to put up yourself and/or any of the actors in my spare bedroom if they want to be the headline of the grand premiere! Fine, stop laughing already.

  • April 30, 2005, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Serenity Trailer

    by Black Satin 2

    I thought the trailer had the same problems the show had; that it was too busy. Joss created a great commander, good crew and even some interesting bad guys but the River character has the tendency to be A. Too perfect, B. A one-woman show and C. Liable to take up the whole 2 hours on her arc alone. There is a bad guy plus Reavers (Are we going to get a look at them or what) plus the always interesting Adam Baldwin's Jayne character. I think Wheldon's track record speaks for itself and I hope he is very sucessful so he can get either a Buffy or Angel movie off the ground. Unfortunately Wonder Woman comes next.

  • April 30, 2005, 4:02 p.m. CST

    It's a good review...

    by AeroB

    ..and you guys who automatically spam every Serenity TB with claims that it's going to bomb are lowlife losers. If you've already decided that it's going to suck regardless of what anyone says, why do you bother coming to talkbacks for reviews of it? Just to piss people off? That my friend is trolling. Go away.

  • April 30, 2005, 4:31 p.m. CST

    IMDB has Ron Glass ("Shepard") in the cast, but I don't see him

    by FrankDrebin

    Whedonhaters can't stop the signal

  • April 30, 2005, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Joss Whedon is the new black

    by Jossisgod

    Fact. Also, if anyone else mentions Alien Resurrection as a reason for Joss being rubbish I will honestly take their heads straight off. No debate, no fight, just a swift decapitation. Got that? Need me to write it down for you?

  • April 30, 2005, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Serenity may be fun

    by Nabster

    The trailer sells the film pretty well, could be a decent ride. But that doesnt change the fact that Buffy, Angel and Firefly were all mediocre shows. That might be unfair since I haven't seen a bulk of Buffy and especially Angel. But I have seen all of Firefly, despite how much I wanted to love it, it just fell flat.

  • April 30, 2005, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Whatever....

    by ripper t. jones

    Wheadon & Co. will open a Jayne sized can of whup ass on anyone who cares to come along for the ride. You can bet the farm on it. Gorram "Its Gonna Suck" Trolls be damned.

  • April 30, 2005, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Nabster, you are a grade A moron

    by Jossisgod

    Buffy, Angel and Firefly were all excellent shows, you are a troll, plain and simple, and have never seen any episodes of any of the 3 shows.

  • April 30, 2005, 9 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    I myself am a hardcore fan of "Firefly," and I've caught a handful of "Buffy..." and "Angel" episodes that I've like as well, but I think that you shouldn't go where you just did. The idea that people who don't like something shouldn't be allowed to talk about it is, to me, a dangerous one, and I think it's necessary sometimes if only to offer you something to think about and possibly learn from which you would have remained ignorant to otherwise. Then again, Whedon haters in general seem to be a peculiar breed of Moron, and if anything I'd be willing to bet that a few of them haven't even seen Whedon's stuff (or maybe they've seen one episode of "Buffy" and now they're qualified to judge), but are just following everybody else's lead. Something about Whedon makes him immensely hateable to a lot of people. It may be because he's always discussed here. Then again, I guess sort of going back to what you said, it's weird how certain Whedon bashers claim to have no respect for Whedon or his fans yet can be found in every single one of his articles. Either they have nothing better to do than sneer at the tastes of people they'll never even meet on the Internet or they're closet Whedon-philes if you ask me.

  • April 30, 2005, 9:49 p.m. CST


    by AeroB

    The problem is that these people are merely trolling for attention, trying to piss Whedon fans off by coming to every Serenity talkback and posting a short phrase about how it's going to bomb, or how much it sucks, or whatever. They're not justifying their opinion, they're just spamming and trying to get people angry so they can get their kicks. I don't see anything wrong with speaking out against that.

  • April 30, 2005, 11:17 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    Agreed as far as that crowd goes, but the whole "if you don't like it, you don't have to talk about it" thing is a little too much if you ask me.

  • May 1, 2005, 2:43 a.m. CST

    Ribbons, I think you're missing the point...

    by WillowFan2001

    If you're "agreed as far as that crowd goes," then you just agreed with my entire point, so I don't understand why you objected to it in the first place. None of these people have seen Serenity yet, and so their sole purpose in posting on this talkback--and the others related to it--can only be to piss off Whedonites like me (and you too). They have nothing of worth for me to listen to. And you're defending them. As far as I'm concerned, YOU shouldn't go where you just did. They don't need anybody encouraging their behavior, least of all someone who claims to be a fan of the very thing that they're trashing.

  • May 1, 2005, 3:24 a.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    You are aware that not all of the people you responded to said "Serenity is gonna suck" and that some of them said "Joss Whedon sucks," right? That's a pretty big difference.

  • May 1, 2005, 3:27 a.m. CST

    And by the way...

    by Ribbons

    I don't know if it was a poor choice of words or what, but I AM a fan of "Firefly." It's without exaggeration one of my favorite TV shows. So don't start this "claims to be," conspiracy theorist, paranoid bullshit.

  • May 1, 2005, 5:01 a.m. CST


    by WillowFan2001

    You're right, some of them did comment on Whedon instead of "Serenity," but it's not as big a difference as you think. Of course, if Whedon sucks, and if "Serenity" is a movie he wrote and directed, then the implication about "Serenity" is that it will suck, n'est ce pas? What else could it do? Either way, they posted on a "Serenity" talkback hoping to piss off some fans. I'm honestly not sure which I find more offensive, people who rip on a movie months before it's released without ever having seen it -- or people who rip on a writer and his entire body of work when, most likely, they've only seen a small sample of it. As for your second post, put your martyr away, Mahatma. "Claims to be" is just a phrase; I didn't mean to imply that you weren't a fan of "Firefly." Of course, since you defended someone's right to spout annoying drivel all over a board for the sole purpose of pissing off fellow TBers, I'm not exactly your biggest fan right now, either. And for the record, I am NOT now, nor have I ever been, a conspiracy theorist. The little green man who lives in my head tells me that the government would fry my brain with their secret space lasers if I ever became one.

  • May 1, 2005, 5:05 a.m. CST

    Apologies to Prior Walter...

    by WillowFan2001

    I read your earlier comment, which came right after GoatZinger's bashing post, and so I read some bashing into your comment that apparently wasn't there. If I misunderstood you, as it appears I have, I offer my apologies.

  • May 1, 2005, 8:23 a.m. CST

    A truth: I am Joss Whedon's brother

    by Jossisgod

    Which is why I like him so much.

  • May 1, 2005, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Okay, okay

    by Ribbons

    I guess I got a little carried away here. I understand the implication that you're talking about with the whole "Whedon sucks so Serenity will suck" thing going, but...well, whatever. By that logic, doesn't that mean that anybody who posts on a 'Serenity' TalkBack about how they love Joss Whedon's work mean, indirectly, that 'Serenity' will rule? And are we any more qualified to say that than people who say it'll suck without having seen it? Okay. This is stupid. The people who bitch about 'Serenity' on this thread are douchebags. I don't know why I'm arguing with you; I overreacted to something you said that stuck out to me and I apologize. As far as the "martyr" thing goes? Not as far-fetched as you may think. I understand that claims to be is a turn of phrase (which is why I said "I don't know if this is just poor word choice or what"), but I've been accused by people (another pretty hardcore fanbase, in fact) of pretending to like 'Lord of the Rings' so that I could... infiltrate the fanbase and demolish the pictures' reputation with criticism... or something. I don't know. The point is, I've seen it happen before.

  • May 2, 2005, 5:13 a.m. CST

    Shame about the it's/its spelling

    by Zoecb

    See how something so small and easitl avoided can ruin the reading of a review? Grr. Learn to spell, people.

  • May 2, 2005, 6:46 p.m. CST

    re: the it's/its spelling

    by hulk_beanpoll

    Zoecb, I decided to proof my review just for you. The word "it's" is used seven times and ONCE (in the last paragraph) is it used incorrectly. On every other occasion it is correctly used as the abbreviation of "it is". I'm very sorry that ONE punctuation mark went astray. Apart from that I didn't see a single spelling mistake or grammatical error, in what most people have responded to as a half decent review. It's a wonder you manage to cope with the internet at all, if one tiny typing error can ruin an entire review for you. Maybe it's time for you to switch the computer off and get a life.

  • May 2, 2005, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Shame about the easitl/easily spelling

    by hulk_beanpoll

    It's ruined your entire post for me. Oh well.

  • May 2, 2005, 8:47 p.m. CST

    You Geeks Will Watch Anything

    by Warren Oates

    The trailer for this looks awful. And yes, I saw about ten minutes of an episode when it was on years ago and it stunk then too. What are you people on? The show itself was pretty lame, but to then throw it up on a huge movie screen is just ridiculous. I work in a movie theater and had to help people find seats in a packed auditorium for Hitchhiker's over the weekend. Everytime that dumb trailer ended, people either asked "What the hell is that?" or they laughed. Yeah, that's a good sign for success. Where did the budget go for this turd? It looks like that crap they play on the Sci-Fi channel, not to mention the writing sounds worse. I swear, you mouth breathers will watch anything with a rougish space captain and a half-naked broad who does karate in it. Do you just want to perpetually stay fifteen, where that kind of shit is cool? Christ, you people are sad. As the years go on, I grow to like hearing about you dorks getting your asses kicked in high school.

  • May 3, 2005, 1:07 a.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    I'm not sure what the hell your problem is, but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't go away if "Firefly" fans did. You know what defines juvenile behavior? Thinking that "dweebs" getting their asses kicked is cool. Get fucked.

  • May 3, 2005, 4:43 a.m. CST

    Joss Haters Be Damned!!!

    by Ribs

    I'm looking forward to this one... ...OK?... ...Is that all right with everyone?... Yeesh... I like Wheden's stuff. From Buffy, Angel and the (regretably brief) series Firefly, to his writing on Astonishing X-men (which, post-Wheden, has gone to hell). This movie is a welcome continuation to a story that ended before I wanted it to. Firefly (in it's short time) had more obvious potential, story and character-wise, than either Buffy or Angel in their first 12 episodes and I'm hoping for a giant runaway hit (though I'm not holding my breath). PS: Hey Warren Oates! You keep saying that Serenity is shit and implying that you have better taste. Just out of curiosity, what will YOU be watching in theaters in the next 6 months? Or do you just like pissing on other people's choices without laying your own preferences on the table? I smell a Catwoman fan here folks...

  • May 3, 2005, 4:46 a.m. CST


    by Ribs

    Joss isn't done on Astonishing X-men yet. I'm mixing up my X-books (most of which have become unreadable).

  • May 3, 2005, 7:37 a.m. CST

    Shakey-cam VFX

    by Ktak

    I suspect that one of the reasons they may be toning down Firefly's trademark shakey-cam/zoom-in effect for Serenity is that it doesn't work as well on the big screen. I agree that it's very effective on TV, making the viewer feel like they're watching something as it happens, but based on my experience it would be overwhelming for a lot of viewers when projected in a theater. My first exposure to Firefly was watching recorded episodes that friends sent to me here in Japan, which I played back on my PC's 17-inch screen. By the time the boxed DVD set came out, I had upgraded my entertainment system to include a front projector on a 90-inch screen. Let me tell you, when you see shakey-cam or quick zoom-ins of an image that occupies that much of your field of view, it's really disorienting. I get the same effect when I watch Battlestar Galactica as well. It's even worse when my friends come over to watch because they don't know what to expect. I doubt Joss and the gang want audiences to remember Serenity as "The Movie That Makes You Hurl," whether it's from the VFX or the movie's overall quality.

  • May 3, 2005, 4:52 p.m. CST

    To The Geeks

    by Warren Oates

    Unlike you, I don't start salivating over any and everything fantasy, sci-fi or comic bookish. The movies I won't be seeing for the next few months? Batman Begins, Star Wars, The Island, that dopey Lava Girl crap, and Fantastic Four. Nor will I be watching Serenity, Sin City 2,3,11, or however many installments there will be before Robert Rodriguez feels he's taken enough of your money. While all of you are flogging yourselves over this junk and getting dressed up as the characters (which, by the way, is lame not matter what you say), the rest of us who actually LIKE movies, not just sugar-coated turds, will be watching Broken Flowers and The Brother's Grimm. You know, movies helmed by people with actual TALENT and IMAGINATION. Heck, if you just want pure entertainment, watch The Bad News Bears. Granted, you can't pick up the limited first issue comic with the mylar cover and collectible trading card at Bi-Mon-Sci-Fi-Con, but maybe you'll get your first view of a world where people don't wear superhero outfits, nobody flies spaceships, and good looking women who know kung-fu don't get wet over you shut-ins.

  • May 3, 2005, 6 p.m. CST

    Warren Oates

    by Ribbons

    Keep poking and I'm sure you'll find out a lot of these "geeks" that you're so disgusted by are looking forward to 'The Brothers Grimm' more than they are 'Fantastic Four' or 'Batman Begins.' Or, if it makes you feel better, keep writing furious manifestos about the childishness of a group of people that don't actually have the traits you attribute to them. Here's a hint: if you're going to give accurate armchair sociology on a subculture you're afraid to even be associated with, you have to be pretty insightful. You're not.

  • May 4, 2005, 1:22 a.m. CST


    by Warren Oates

    Way to dig in. So savage. Keep living in your fanatsy world where you think your intellectually superior because you've read Tolkien and Robert Heinlein a billion times. Maybe if you parade that enough, somebody super-cool like Joss Whedon will read your script about a futuristic world whose remants have to band together and fight an evil empire with the help of a mousy yet tough warrior woman who's move rival that of Bruce Lee. Then you'll become rich and famous among other goons and you'll meet a woman who doesn't mind that you breath from you mouth when you kiss her. Oh, wait...that will never happen cause you wackos are too busy buying fuckin Star Wars toys to keep in the packages and searching for X-Files scripts that were never made into episodes in between bouts of going to see Ray Park talk about what it was like to be Darth Maul. Face it: I'm an elitist and so are you. In your tiny little head, you feel some superiority over people that aren't into the junk you're into, so don't try act as though you're some poor victim who always gets picked on cause, well, gosh darn it, he loves Spider-Man comics. I know you're kind. Unfortunately, I have to work with some of you people who babble on and on about Sin City as though it's the goddamn Holy Grail of Cinema. You're a tool and you know it. Unlike me though, you can't admit your flaws. And here's a bit of arm chair psychology for ya': What should be made of a group of nebbish loners who flock to book, movies, and t.v. shows where female sexuality is repressed and the true sign of a woman is that she is either a whore or she kicks ass and has all the traits of a man? Repressed homosexuality? Nah, I'm gonna say it's old fashion mysogny. Cheers to ya'.

  • May 4, 2005, 7:29 a.m. CST

    Hate-Mail like this, Mr. Oates ....

    by Umba

    .... putting others down because of their interests to me is bordering to faschism. If you think the geeks are so pathetic people that doesn't explain your need to put them down. you need to imagine them as inferior to feel satisfied. a nicer person would just shrug, say his opinion in a polit way and go his ways. There is no need for anyone to abandon his favourite artists, be it Shakespeare or Whedon. For my own part I like both of them, nevertheless I don't feel superior to anyone like you do. In addition to that, neither books nor TV stops me from living and loving my life in the real world.