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Whoa! Paramount to pull a CAPTAIN and a SERGEANT out of the pages of Marvel and put them onto the silver screen!!!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here... Variety dropped a big bomb this morning, involving Paramount Pictures striking a deal with Marvel to bring 10 Marvel characters to the big screen, including Captain America and Sgt. of the Howling Commandos and head of S.H.I.E.L.D. himself, Nick Fury (hopefully not represented again by David Hasselhoff). Yeah! Marvel is paying for the flicks and Paramount is releasing them.

Although the characters are not directly connected, both had shitty, cheap-ass movies made in the '90s based on their comics.

I think a badass movie based on Captain America would rock out, especially if they try to go for something period. Who are the 8 other characters? Hrmm...

I'm sure Harry will drop in whenever he returns from saving babies from burning buildings and rescuing lady reporters from wonky helicopter mishaps and comment on this scenario. I know he loves him his Captain America and knows it backwards and forwards. While you're waiting, here's the link to Variety:

CLICK IT HERE FOR THE RED, WHITE AND BLUE SHIELD AS WELL AS THE HEAD OF S.H.I.E.L.D. CONFIMATION!!!


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  • April 28, 2005, 5:49 a.m. CST

    Ooooh, goody!

    by prevert

    Another comic-book movie.

  • April 28, 2005, 5:56 a.m. CST

    Let's hope...

    by AhnoldT2

    Remember back in the 80's when someone had the sorry idea to make cap wear a cheesy bike helmet, drive a lame motorcycle and how he made the "bionic man" sound when he used his abilities?? Hopefully this time someone will take the subject matter seriously and we can get a movie where Cap saves the day from foriegn baddies and at the end as the credits close we can all be moved to the point we need to wrap ourselves in an American flag, swelling with overwhelming patriotism. I wish this project the best!! America could use a righteously uplifting movie in our current time of conflict.

  • April 28, 2005, 5:58 a.m. CST

    Yes, but...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...will Cap have rubber ears and almost never wear his costume? Here's a tip for you folks at Paramount as well: if you're going to have a heinous nazi supervillain as an adversary, how about actually making him German instead of what that last bunch of morons did when they made a Cap movie? Yes, Mussolini and his fascists were evil, but an Italian Red Skull? *checks readout on Menace-O-Meter* Nope. Sorry. Flatline.

  • April 28, 2005, 6:09 a.m. CST

    british...

    by AhnoldT2

    They could make a movie for the british equal in the marvel universe, Captain Britain, but that would be even sillier.

  • April 28, 2005, 6:11 a.m. CST

    Am I the only person...

    by DerLanghaarige

    ...who sees Captain America fighting against evil Iraqis? Or maybe he will kill Bin Laden himself? This film has a 99% crap guarantee.

  • April 28, 2005, 6:14 a.m. CST

    Nah...

    by AhnoldT2

    They won't do it modern day, too many people to piss off. Should involve nazi germany since that is where Cap started and everyone can agree to dislike nazis. eh?

  • April 28, 2005, 6:17 a.m. CST

    I want to see a Captain New Zealand

    by prevert

    bravely destroying the enemies of this great country. Like, errrr...

  • April 28, 2005, 6:24 a.m. CST

    The bastards have landed!

    by prevert

    We sure dealt to those fuckers didn't we!! Eat shit, Independence Day!

  • April 28, 2005, 6:28 a.m. CST

    Before Cap etc. they should make these comics

    by zekmoe

    Thor, Flash, The Spectre, X-Factor, A kid x-men movie with Kitty and Sam, and Sunspot, etc... There are plenty of good stories out there, but Cap and Shield are best as occasional plot devices or members of a larger team. Not enough to hold a whole movie together.

  • April 28, 2005, 6:28 a.m. CST

    Outside USA no one wants to see it.

    by DerLanghaarige

    Because of your president everybody hates your country more than ever, so I don't think that there are many people outside who wanna see a man who fights "only" for America! Even if he fights Nazis! (But I'm still sure he will kick some Taliban Ass!)

  • April 28, 2005, 6:28 a.m. CST

    Aren't I lucky, I got a chunky bit!

    by prevert

    Best. Alien. Ever. "Tomorrow we're having you for lunch!"

  • April 28, 2005, 6:31 a.m. CST

    Brad Grey is da man!

    by Darth.Ratzinger

    Clooney for Fury, Brad for Cap. That's a fucking awesome Plan B!

  • April 28, 2005, 6:32 a.m. CST

    Never thought I'd say this - oh show a little faith!

    by Swithin

    I don't think TPTB would be stupid enough to ignore what makes Captain America an interesting character - he's an anachronism twice over. His "patriotism", if it could even be called that, stems from the need to oppose the Axis in WWII. On top of that, his ideological conviction isn't that America is by definition superior or even correct the majority of the time, which notion itself was out of fashion by the 1940s. It's everyone's right, and I find it noble, to wish that one's country actually lives up to the ideals wrapped around its better moments. That history shows us all countries, perhaps most notably America, fail to live up to these standards... well, we take that for granted. And that's what makes Captain America interesting. He doesn't take that for granted. Why *mustn't* a country live up to its own mottoes? Why can't we feel pride in a flag even when we are not proud of our government? Isn't the "nation" a higher concept than the works of the men which determine what it does this season or next, *shouldn't* it be a city-on-a-hill to whose perfection we constantly strive to reach? These topics are all highly relevent, and if treated with brutal honesty it could make for a great heroic epic. If these issues are softballed, however, the movie is guaranteed to suck - but look at Catwoman. Or not, which is my point. It's not *that* hard to totally ignore a comic book movie that sucks. Might as well give them a chance to get it right.

  • April 28, 2005, 6:34 a.m. CST

    Best director for it Captain America:

    by DerLanghaarige

    Michael Moore ;)

  • April 28, 2005, 6:36 a.m. CST

    I agree...

    by AhnoldT2

    Bravo, Swithin. Well put.

  • April 28, 2005, 6:37 a.m. CST

    Ha!

    by AhnoldT2

    Moore would have Cap dead within the first half hour...

  • April 28, 2005, 6:39 a.m. CST

    Should be like Ultimates 1

    by ChorleyFM

    A proper full scale war movie with Ca sacrificing himself at the end. If it does well then you can have the sequel on modern times.

  • April 28, 2005, 6:40 a.m. CST

    John Cavalli IS Captain America!

    by Mister McClane

  • April 28, 2005, 6:55 a.m. CST

    I want a Wacther movie!

    by Judge Doom

    That

  • April 28, 2005, 7:02 a.m. CST

    Howza Bout Dis?

    by Evil Chicken

    Make

  • April 28, 2005, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Cap WILL be set in present day

    by Steve Rogers

    ..but with his WWII origins established in the opening (before he gets frozen in ice). You KNOW that will be the way it is; half of Cap's appeal is in his "fish out of water" status as an old man in the modern age. In fact, you could argue that by just leaving him in the past as a two-fisted Nazi basher, his character will lose much of its dimension and he will seem more out of touch with current affairs than ever. There wil be a big kick ass WWII opening (maybe like in Ultimates if we're lucky) and then it will move to the present (maybe with the odd flashback). You wait and see, my friends.

  • April 28, 2005, 7:27 a.m. CST

    Jarv

    by Darth Kong

    You're on here...a LOT! Aren't you?

  • April 28, 2005, 7:42 a.m. CST

    Josh Lucas or Aaron Eckhart for Captain America. Nick Chinlund f

    by Trevor Goodchild

    I remember the eighties Captain America. Didnn't he have a bike that went to silent mode?

  • April 28, 2005, 7:42 a.m. CST

    hmmm, interesting...

    by JackBurton

    I think that if they actually developed a deep Captain America film where they did delve into the issues of patriotism, duty, the dangers of blindy following leaders even if you know they are wrong, and both crushed and hopeful idealism then a Cap movie could actually be pretty cool. Especially a Cap movie where he believes in the idea of America, if not the actual reality of a lot of the America that he finds himself living in. There's an interesting canvas to play around with there, but of course if they go for the quick and easy "Ra! Ra! America is the best!" blind patriot overload, and skip the texture and depth and more interesting facets and just fill it up with lots of nice glossy over the top action scenes and FX then it's almost guaranteed to suck. We need a smart Captain America movie, not just a spectacle wank. **************************************************************************** As for Nick Fury, that one has a lot of clear potential from day one, again if handled correctly, and if done with the harder edge and cynical nature required. In fact this is exactly the kind of hollywood project that I'd love to see given to John Carpenter to direct, as he has just the right attitude for what's needed. Just as long as they don't soften it down and gloss it up too much, in the hopes for 'biggest audience possible' results it could be very cool. Even if they got Nick Fury right though, I still don't see it as being a big blockbuster release or major box office hit in any way, which is why they need to know that this is going to be a niche market film at best going in, and create it with that firmly in mind. There's no point in toning this back and removing it's cynical edge, as the audience won't be blockbuster proportions no matter what they do, so they may as well at least get it right, so that those who do care and do see it at least get their moneys worth. As to which path they'll take, the cynic in me says probably the sanitised and non cynical pg13 one, but we shall see I guess.

  • April 28, 2005, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Captain Wow

    by Trevor Goodchild

  • April 28, 2005, 7:46 a.m. CST

    A Cap picture would be fine, assuming they made it relevant to t

    by vikingkitty

    That means the enemy would have to be Islaamic vermin. I'm sure the swine from CAIR would come out to protest, but fuck 'em, they're sub-humans.

  • April 28, 2005, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Paul Verhoven or David Twohy

    by Trevor Goodchild

    would be ideal. Give it a similar feel to Starship Troopers as a statement on patriotism. But I think someone like Rob Cohen of McG will get it.

  • April 28, 2005, 7:50 a.m. CST

    by Darth Kong

  • April 28, 2005, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Damn enter key

    by Darth Kong

    Sorry. Ahem. You wanna talk about racism....saw KINGDOM OF HEAVEN last night....now THERE'S a conversation starter!

  • April 28, 2005, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Karl Urban as Fury

    by Trevor Goodchild

  • April 28, 2005, 7:58 a.m. CST

    If Marvel is paying for these they must be low budget right?

    by Aust1n

    MORBIUS IS COMING TO THE BIG SCREEN...my big screen TV that is...

  • You so crazy!

  • April 28, 2005, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Where the fuck are the moderators?

    by DocPazuzu

    In a way it's amusing to see a feeble toad like TJ scream and rant about two-dimensional fanatics when he himself displays all the characteristics of one, like demonizing entire races and religions because of the deplorable actions of a zealous minority, as well as calling for the destruction of them all. His brain is so simple that he can't summon the patience required to identify and focus his rage on the actual enemy but has to let loose on everyone who even remotely resembles them. TJ is the type of cretin who would shoot a Sikh gas station attendant because "he got one of them rags on his hayed". I didn't think it was possible, but TJ might actually be dumber than both vikingkitty and GingerTwit combined. His racist diatribes against Hispanics weren't enough to get him banned. Let's see if this will do it.

  • April 28, 2005, 8:37 a.m. CST

    Captain America movie plot

    by stlfilmwire

    My take would be that it takes place in a world that remembers Captain America from WWII but nobody knows what happened to him... with some even doubting he ever really existed -- like he was just part of U.S. propaganda... a myth. Well, it is now 2006 and the U.S. needs someone to go on a crazy mission (against a superhero terrorist maybe?) and so (to the President's surprise) reveal that the Captain is frozen and that they need "thaw" him out and have him go off on a mission. This would allow the movie to have Captain start out in his retro uniform when he is thawed, and then eventually get a more cinematic (and modern) suit after like page 60. Just an idea. The movie could also feature a british superhero (pick one), or something like that.

  • April 28, 2005, 8:37 a.m. CST

    *Yay*

    by Groggy

    I couldn't be less excited about this. Hear that noise? That's the bottom of the barrel being scraped. I really can't see these movies been any better than the 90's comic book messes that were served up. Unless they have something very special planned for these flicks then the audience will be limited to comic fans only. As a side note, I really don't think many people will get too excited about Captain America. He is relic of his time. For those that are interested, they have their comics.

  • April 28, 2005, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Clooney as Fury, Matt McConaughey as Capt America.

    by dastickboy

    Nuff said.

  • April 28, 2005, 8:41 a.m. CST

    I'm with talbacker "ChorleyFM"... CAPTAIN AMERICA should be base

    by JDanielP

    I really loved the ULTIMATES origin story of Captain America. I absolutely LOVED it. And I would be VERY excited to hear that the "movie" would be based on that origin story. But it's obvious that Captain America doesn't have that big of an international market... at least, as an individual character. However, an ULTIMATES or AVENGERS movie with Captain America as part of a group, well... I think that's an entirely different matter.

  • April 28, 2005, 8:45 a.m. CST

    If it wasn't for Captain America.......

    by Dick Laurant

    you'd all be speaking German by now.

  • April 28, 2005, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Here's bigger news: red state & blue state versions of movies

    by FrankDrebin

    From the Hollywood Reporter: President Bush signs FECA into law WASHINGTON -- After President Bush affixed his signature to the Family Entertainment and Copyright Act in an Oval Office ceremony this week, it became a federal crime to camcord a movie. Bush's signature Tuesday marked the last act in a legislative drama that spanned two Congresses and saw Hollywood's pet bill married to one that gives protection from lawsuits to companies who make video players that edit out purportedly offensive content in motion pictures. While the studios would rather have bottled up the legislation that effectively ends the legal action surrounding Utah-based ClearPlay, they ultimately decided to abandon their action because it gave them the camcorder bill and legislation that makes it easier for federal prosecutors to go after counterfeiters who make works available before their public release.

  • April 28, 2005, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Indeed

    by Groggy

    His mighty shield throwing abilities sent Red Skull, Hitler, and the goose stepping chorus boys packing. Who throws a shield? Honestly...

  • April 28, 2005, 8:58 a.m. CST

    "You think this A on my head stands for France?!"

    by Terry_1978

    That was so wrong, yet so funny when I read that in The Ultimates a while back.

  • April 28, 2005, 8:58 a.m. CST

    What about Thor

    by jimmy_009

    I would like to see a Thor set in ancient times.

  • April 28, 2005, 9:02 a.m. CST

    A europeans view

    by Itwasreallyfar

    Captain America is never ever going to do the business that batman or superman or spiderman has done in europe....But if you take the idea of a noble patriotic hero and show him betrayed by the U.S government but supported by the people and redeeming what 49% of americans and many more europeans consider a disgusting betrayal of AMERICA (the concept)by self serving businessmen and zealots. Then you have yourselves a great idea to make a movie with you can deconstruct heroes and comics and governments, politicians and religion, aslong as it's still got plenty of action theres more than enough room in a 2 hour movie to explore these ideas...just ask the questions...people can start looking for the answers. Oh and tj are you really that stupid? or just antagonising people? i mean theres idiots on the left and on the right and none of you actually do your cause any good at all.

  • April 28, 2005, 9:04 a.m. CST

    HEY QUINT, the Cap America movie Rocked

    by DannyOcean01

    You just know how good the shield looked as it wobbled on it's speedy path to chin destruction. I hear the latest Cap America is really good; a mixture of the period and the modern. Might be a good idea to look that for inspiration.

  • April 28, 2005, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Is this technically a remake?

    by Groggy

    Gah....

  • April 28, 2005, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Two comments about the Hollywood Reporter article

    by FrankDrebin

    [1] It might have been hard for Hollywood to argue in court that edited movies violate the artistic vision of the filmmakers, while at the same time allowing network tv to edit the daylights out of them. [2] Interesting how GW Bush originally ran on a platform of less government regulation, yet he's demanded a steady stream of protective laws for a variety of industries (mining, medicine, energy, credit cards, gun manufacturers, even Hollywood).

  • April 28, 2005, 9:06 a.m. CST

    The Incredible Captain America

    by ChatWithANinja

    Here's my vote that they will make captain america like the Mr incredible and have him hidden in obscurity until some american idealist group gets him active again... Of course the best way to make captain america appealing to all the international markets would be to have him stand up for what america is and defend america internally from evil that is corrupting america from within... I'm not saying it should be pro or anti bush, but that it should be better than that...

  • April 28, 2005, 9:13 a.m. CST

    i would pay triple the ticket admission to see Captain Taliban..

    by DarthBakpao

    or Captain Afghanistan or Captain China or Captain India or Captain South Africa or Captain Australia or Captain Spain or Captain Vatican or Captain Maldives or Captain North Korea...

  • Well, this is interesting... I'm not surprised to see Paramount make this kind of a move concerning existing properties, considering how few hits the studio has had of late and how they've systematically destroyed the STAR TREK franchise with their continued support of Rick Berman and Brannon Braga. CAPTAIN AMERICA could be a great film if handled properly. You have a character built for lots of action, along with a tragic side if the "WWII hero in the 21st century" aspect is maintained. Plus, you already have the film's soundtrack ready and waiting -- namely, The Star-Spangled Banner, America, Stars and Stripes Forever, and as personal favorites, America The Beautiful sung by Ray Charles and Ragged Old Flag sung by Johnny Cash. NICK FURY, meanwhile, has the potential to be the next James Bond franchise. As the popularity of the BOURNE movies has shown, people are ready for a new spy hero, only preferably without all that annoying "shakycam" that induces motion-sickness. Plus, you know that S.H.I.E.L.D. has enough gadgets to put MI6 to shame...

  • April 28, 2005, 9:14 a.m. CST

    How Ironic

    by Darth Busey

    That this story breaks just as Marvel stock drops 11% after settling with Stan Lee...

  • April 28, 2005, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Ghost Rider is most likely to bring comic book movies to a halt

    by jimmy_009

    Once that tanks (and it will) a lot of these grade B and C superhero productions will be shut down.

  • April 28, 2005, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Jarv

    by Groggy

    That would be a dream come true. Maybe an original worthwhile idea might then actually stand a chance. I would only go see a film about Capt America if it followed an embittered 80-something superhero. Jaded and disgusted with the state of America questioning why he repeatedly put his life on the line to save the country, living on skid row following the death of his wife,Ethel. The only evidence that proves he exists are the rims of his wheelchair made from his converted shields. Oh wait, that is just like Bubba Ho Tep. Maybe there are no more new ideas?? Maybe they have been all used up?? The horror...the horror.

  • April 28, 2005, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Long live

    by Dick Fitzwell

    CAPTAIN CANUCK

  • April 28, 2005, 9:39 a.m. CST

    "Cripple Fight!!!"

    by Groggy

    An OAP cripple fight makes me think of Roddy Piper and Keith David ridiculously long streetfight in JC's 'They Live'. heheh

  • April 28, 2005, 9:51 a.m. CST

    yeah

    by Groggy

    The kids steal the Red Skulls inhaler and he slowly asphixiates to death. Initially relishing the defeat of his old nemisis, Cap beams a big toothless smile. However, when OAP Cap realises that he has lost his only link back to "The Good Ole Days" of World Wars, he sheds a tear, dies, shits himself and is found three days later by a homeless guy who steals his shoes. THE END. - Can you say Oscar Bait?

  • April 28, 2005, 9:53 a.m. CST

    For Christ's Sake, DocPazuzu

    by vikingkitty

    Are you still here wetting your pants every time someone posts a fact about the cult of the mad child lover, Muhammed? Get over it, man.

  • April 28, 2005, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Captain Britain and Gatecrasher.

    by Trevor Goodchild

    Loved the Alan Moore work on Captain Britain. would love to see a live action Gatecrasher's Technet.

  • April 28, 2005, 9:55 a.m. CST

    But camel jockeys are robots now.

    by Htown

    You think I'm kidding, but I'M NOT. http://tinyurl.com/a5obu

  • April 28, 2005, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Black Panther, Dr. Strange, Ka-Zar, Rawhide Kid, Luke Cage, and

    by herow/1000faces

    ...should be the others. I wouldn't mind seeing a solo Wolverine flick either.

  • April 28, 2005, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Not Alan Moore. Alan Davis and Jamie Delano

    by Trevor Goodchild

  • April 28, 2005, 9:59 a.m. CST

    vikingkitty

    by Itwasreallyfar

    What exactly were the facts posted about Mohammed??? Er and childlover?? i think you need to look into the sexual abuse of children by vicars and priest before you start talking about things you clearly don't know about, go back to bed viking kitty go have another beer go watch american gladiators in your trailer or whatever and go back to living in your dreamworld P.s Nick Fury would be a great role for Sam Jackson, or if we are talking older then what about Nick Nolte?? just imagine him with that eyepatch....holy lord that would be good

  • April 28, 2005, 10 a.m. CST

    Kerry Conran perhaps.

    by Trevor Goodchild

    Then again I'd like to see Sam Keith's The Maxx done by Daid Lynch and Wes Anderson's Fantastic Four.

  • April 28, 2005, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Well, ItWasReallyFar, at least Doc Pazuzu sounds literate

    by vikingkitty

    For the record, one of the mad cult leader's wives was somewhere between the age of 6 and 9 (accounts vary). The funniest thing about that fact is the way the cultists defend their child loving, pedophile "prophet" - they claim he didn't consumate the marriage until she was twelve. How fucking noble! God, if any other religion on earth was founded by a sand pirate that robbed and murdered jews, it would be laughed off the face of the planet. Yet somehow, this one gets treated as a real religion. It isn't. Its no more a religion than Nazism.

  • April 28, 2005, 10:09 a.m. CST

    By the way, there was another honor killing in Jordan this week

    by vikingkitty

    They had nineteen last year. The crime this time? One of the filthy Muslim men saw a photo of his 31 year old divorced sister on his friend's cell phone. He then shot the mother of two twice in the head. God, I can't wait till this whole religion is relegated to the dustbin of history, along with other barbarian religions like that of the Aztecs.

  • April 28, 2005, 10:11 a.m. CST

    *thwack*........*thwack*.............*thwack*.......oh don't min

    by Big_Bubbaloola

    Enough with the comic book movies already!! SHEESH!!!!

  • April 28, 2005, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Actually I meant flogging not beating.

    by Big_Bubbaloola

  • April 28, 2005, 10:16 a.m. CST

    vikingkitty

    by Itwasreallyfar

    Please don't talk to me about literacy when you clearly get all your "facts" from rightwing rhetoric spewing websites and books. Ever studied Islam...i didnt think so Actually understand what a cult is? Clearly not, you have made the classic mistake of finding evidence to support your twisted opinions. Anyone with half brain knows the evidence is what guides your opinion not the other way round. Now then Mohammed may or may not have had sex with a 12 yr old but i can tell you the age it refers to will be when ever she was fertile...still not acceptable in this society but i think you will find that Jacob's wife was 13 when she married him, things were different back then. Er and go watch kingdom of heaven (seeing as your childish opinions seem entirely taken from works of fiction) if you want to see the Christian robbing mutilating and murdering another religion (muslims and jews) I'm sure you tiny penis/dick swinging machismo will demand you reply to this so go for it but i'll wager anyone with an openmind and who has read more than say 10 books will tell you you are and idiot.

  • April 28, 2005, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Bourne movies are the closest thing to an American Bond

    by jimmy_009

    And the definitely trump the latest -stale- Bond movies. I like bond, and I even like Brosnan, but the formula is tired. Ghost Rider sucks.

  • April 28, 2005, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Does anyone know how Fury was brought back after The Punisher ki

    by vikingkitty

    I quit reading shortly after all three of The Punisher's books were canned, but I remember him killing Fury at the end of one of them.

  • April 28, 2005, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Yes, ItWasReallyFar, you're doing fine

    by vikingkitty

    Keep reading something, and you might eventually actually learn something. You do realize the Muslim hordes had already overrun Spain and Sicily, and probably would have eventually taken all of Europe if the Pope hadn't decided to do something about it, right? There would be no Western civilization, and the whole world would be as backwards and fucked up as the Muslims.

  • April 28, 2005, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Wait! There are still comic book characters out there that have

    by ExcaliburFfolkes

    I would have thought they'd have used 'um all up by now. (Ok, just kidding.)

  • April 28, 2005, 10:35 a.m. CST

    vikingkitty your a f*****g idiot

    by Itwasreallyfar

    The first crusade was started by Christians because they wanted total control of the holy land rather than being willing to share I'll guarantee i have read more about the subject than you as it just happens to be part of my field of study. Dont call an entire religion backward, do you have any clues as to all the inventions and dicoveries made by Muslim Scholars? All your negative views are based on fear not fact, don't spread your lies here please. It's a movie website

  • April 28, 2005, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Britain already has their own superhero.

    by cutest_of_borg

    What about a Mr. Neutron film?

  • April 28, 2005, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Christ, you're boring

    by vikingkitty

    "Field of study" - good one. As I said, at least DocPazuzu sounds educated and literate. And now, back to the movies . . .

  • April 28, 2005, 10:48 a.m. CST

    kitty...more like pussy

    by Itwasreallyfar

    boring? well if uneducated fools like you think im boring then im proud, you wouldnt understand anything truly entertaining like i say your sound like a beer and cops (the show) fan, god you really are the arsehole of america that Bill Hicks talked about And just what is wrong with saying field of study? what does it sound pretentious to you? Funny thing about pretension, its really only stupid people who actually believe in them.

  • April 28, 2005, 10:50 a.m. CST

    "Are you still here wetting your pants every time someone posts

    by DocPazuzu

    Exactly what are the "facts" uttered by TJ that currently have me squelching in my depends? You're an idiot, vikingkitty, go home. By the way -- Itwasreallyfar has made you his bitch.

  • April 28, 2005, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Comic book movies

    by Mjr. Lee Fukt

    You know, as a 36 year old comic-collector, movie afficionado, and mildly intelligent person, I'm getting tired of hearing "there are too many comic book movies being made" from self-proclaimed intellectuals (I'm sure they'll reply to my message by slamming my grammar, the lack of big words I'm using and/or the length of this sentence). There have been 100 or so comic book films that have made the leap to the big screen. Out of that 100, there are probably a dozen that are worth seeing. There are a lot of good stories in comics that fit the medium, so why should they stop? It's a matter of choosing the right ones. Look at the golden age of movies and the churn-and-burn mentality that gave us classics such as Dr. Strange Love and the Wizard of Oz. The self-righteous, brain-pushers of film should get a life, go watch IFC and, heres a thought, NOT WATCH THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF FILM MAKING IF THEY DON'T LIKE IT. I have news for you, I enjoy a good art-house film as good as anyone, but there are more bad ones than good, just like comic movies. Also, this is a COMIC-BOOK MOVIE website poeple, look at the styling harry's guys have put into it. You don't come here to slam art-house films, do you? I dont go to ifc.com to slam comic movies... Get a life. Go to IFC.com. Toodles!

  • April 28, 2005, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Better Yet: Have Captain America Be in Fourth X-Men Flick...

    by stlfilmwire

    Here me out... the U.S. hires Captain America a few other heroes to hunt down the X-Men. But once Captain America finally finds them, he has a change of heart and teams up with them to kick the baddie's ass.

  • April 28, 2005, 11:07 a.m. CST

    I wonder if this is why Watchmen got turn around?

    by spider-ham

    After all, why spend $120 million on a movie based on a book that outside of 20,000 modern comic geeks ever heard of, when you could get Captain America? I'm still hoping for Watchmen though So Captain America isn't popular outside of the US. Who knows, maybe it would a Rush Limbauh effect and people who hate it will go see it just to be pissed off.

  • April 28, 2005, 11:07 a.m. CST

    And...

    by Mjr. Lee Fukt

    Ok, so this is NOT a comic book website in general... I just meant it was themed that way... :-)

  • April 28, 2005, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Captain America

    by Itwasreallyfar

    It's absolutley true that a CA movie will not do aswell around the world, sure there is patriotism in superman and spiderman, although not in any batman films, or any of the comics i read (n.b im a movie geek not comic book so i could be very wrong on that) Captain America will not do well because of his name, really it is that fucking simple sure it will make a profit but it wont capture the imagination of europeans in the same way supes did because the american patriotism is So muc more in your face. I like captain america and i realy dont think it should do poorly just that being a european i can tell you it will do poorly compared with the big three

  • April 28, 2005, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Industry

    by Mjr. Lee Fukt

    You know, we watch Dr. Who and Red Dwarf because they are good to watch. If they made a Union Jack flick we'd watch it and enjoy it. Hell, make a Captain Turkey (The COUNTRY, not bird) movie that was good to watch and we'd watch it and enjoy it. Over and out.

  • April 28, 2005, 11:18 a.m. CST

    ...

    by Mjr. Lee Fukt

    Yeash.

  • April 28, 2005, 11:24 a.m. CST

    ....

    by Itwasreallyfar

    Dr who and red dwarf are cult shows in the U.S, hell red dwarf is cult here. Sure you and your friends may watch them but turn them into a film and sell it to americans on its britishness and you dont have a recipe for a massively succesful box office haul. I dont agree with it working like that, but hell it Does work like that...its just tough shit. I really honestly promise a captain america film will not do the business of the big 3 outside the states. Sorry.

  • April 28, 2005, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Brad Pitt as Captain America ...

    by riskebiz

    ... Why? ... because he's gone as record as expressing interest in that character. I believe Cap should be placed in a WW2 setting, though.

  • April 28, 2005, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Captain America IS shit...

    by Kid Z

    ... but Captain Britain is "shite"! (Of course I just mean the character, Britain itself is pretty cool, ennit?

  • April 28, 2005, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Captain Little Britain!!

    by Itwasreallyfar

    Now that would be one hell of a movie, David Walliams as the Cap'n and matt lucas could play the red skull "want that one" "you sure you want a red skull" "yeh" "but you said red skulls had a maudlin quality to them" yeh, iknow...want that one" "ok then" "i hate red skulls" ah it would be genius

  • and keep the parts with Iron Man, Thor, and especially Captain America. Cap's response to Daredevil asking him why he cares about Nuke: "He wears the flag" - great line. Those few words say so much about the character. Other Marvel movie possiblities: Alpha Flight, Black Panther, New Mutants, Cable, Deadpool, Longshot, Avengers, Vision & Scarlet Witch, Cloak & Dagger, Ka-zar, Dr Strange, and of course the one I am betting on: Brother Voodoo!

  • April 28, 2005, 11:35 a.m. CST

    A friendly question to all our European friends...

    by bigdickmcgee

    I was just wondering, what do you think of the fact that Western Europe will become majority Muslim at some point in the 21st Century?

  • April 28, 2005, 11:37 a.m. CST

    bigdickmcgee

    by Itwasreallyfar

    Um, will it, where did you read that? Its more likely western europe will be completley secular then completley religious whatever they are. Or are you talking about the population becoming more middle eastern, more immigrants and such?

  • April 28, 2005, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Yeah, enough with the comic book movies...and enough with the mo

    by SpyGuy

    You know, as Mjr. Lee Fukt similarly expressed, I've also had with the pinheads who say they're "sick of comic-book movies." People, comic books are a FORMAT, a means of telling a story in a graphic form. If you don't like superhero flicks, fine, but for those of you too busy in your basement to notice, SIN CITY wasn't a superhero flick. AMERICAN SPLENDOR wasn't a superhero flick. ROAD TO PERDITION wasn't a superhero flick. GHOST WORLD wasn't a superhero flick. But they were all comic book movies, just like THE SHINING, THE GODFATHER, and SILENCE OF THE LAMBS were all novel movies. Try picking up a book, even a comic book, once in a while, kids...The next time you spout off, perhaps you won't sound like a complete asshole.

  • April 28, 2005, 11:42 a.m. CST

    The textbook definition of "the kiss of death re: quality"...

    by Diskatopia

    ... or at least the definition of "straight to DVD": "Marvel is paying for the flicks and Paramount is releasing them."......... Notoriously cheap and miserly Marvel is paying, so what will the budgets be, 3-5million$? Oh, they'll probably make money, but just ask any old ho, sucking in fanboys usually does.

  • April 28, 2005, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Captain Federated States of Micronesia

    by vekt0r

    just a thought...

  • April 28, 2005, 11:46 a.m. CST

    what about captain Iraq fighting the evil forces of the red elep

    by Itwasreallyfar

  • April 28, 2005, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Kurt Russell is Nick Fury

    by ChatWithANinja

    Face it, its the role he was made for. anyone see soldier? he actually worked out to make himself that big. slap that plisken eye patch on him and he's the man.

  • April 28, 2005, 11:48 a.m. CST

    "Why bash their religion? Because they kill in the name of it."

    by Stan the Bat

    I think we Americans resemble that remark.

  • April 28, 2005, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Oi, tinypenismcgee, where are you with you crazy ass fucking id

    by Itwasreallyfar

  • April 28, 2005, 11:50 a.m. CST

    yes, it will

    by bigdickmcgee

    Millions of Muslim immigrants, both legal and illegal, come every year. France is already 10% Muslim. The white European birthrates have fallen to half of replacement level. The Muslim birth rates are 3-4 times greater. The Middle Eastern and South Asian immigrants are not secular; they are Muslim. Demographics state that Western Europe will be majority Muslim in 50-70 years. I would like to know what people who live in Europe (whoever they are) think about it.

  • April 28, 2005, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Hmmm

    by Groggy

    I like comic book movies and I'm glad that some of them have been made. What I have seen of Sin City (2/3rds)is glorious, I loved the first spiderman for the most part, really like the Crow and there is fun to be squeezed from the first Blade. I agree that there is much to be gleaned from comic books still. To me a Watchmen film could own the world. But it won't, because most folks outside of this arena wouldn't see it and, like Capt America, is quite a product of its era. That said Capt America, in some minds, seems like a poor relation of the likes of Spiderman and Batman. Maybe it is because these stories are more universal inspite of the American landscape behind them. For all his internationalism in fighting the Nazis, Capt America appears (to me at least) a very solidly American character with a more limited appeal. Whilst it has nothing to do necessarily with him being American per se, he was written for an American audience. Anyone else outside those borders who likes him is a bonus. Somethings are very British, Chinese, Spanish - whatever - and do not travel well for whatever cultural reasons. I mean I love watching Wong Fei Hung movies, but the villains I've seen are often white western oppressors, portrayed in what some may term casually racist/stereotypical roles which as white UK male puts me in an odd position in relation to the target audience of the film. I can get enjoyment out of it and can brush aside its accusing finger, but the fact is, I was never its target audience. Sheesh, I hope all that makes some sense to someone. If not, you know what you can do.

  • April 28, 2005, 11:54 a.m. CST

    "Western Europe will become majority Muslim at some point in the

    by DocPazuzu

    Where do you get your information?

  • April 28, 2005, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Forget Shield, I'd rather see a Sgt. Fury Movie

    by cookylamoo

    especially if it was based on Sgt. Fury #2 "Seven Doomed Men", the greatest, most gonzo war comic ever produced. Can't you see it? Micky Rourke as Fury, Arnold as Dum Dum Dugan, Sam Jackson as Gabe, Danny Devito as Izzy Cohen, Hugh Grant as Percifal Pinkerton and Alan Rickman as Baron Strucker. My only regret is that Dean Martin isn't around to play Dino Manelli.

  • April 28, 2005, 11:58 a.m. CST

    HAHAHAH

    by Mjr. Lee Fukt

    "Captain Federated States of Micronesia" Good stuff... And for you, Itwasreallyfar, with our global presence right now, an American movie about an American symbol may not be well received everywhere, I agree. But, if it was a good film you'd appreciate it, and it would get a cult following over there like Red Dwarf and Dr. Who has here. Every country has cult followings of movies in other countries. You like at least one (probably more) american show or movie, admit it. :-) M.A.S.H? Beverly Hills 90210? The A-Team? ADMIT IT! :-) As for the comment about Capt Iraq, I also typed it in but then decided to not submit. :-) Captain Turkey lives!

  • April 28, 2005, 11:59 a.m. CST

    muslims/europe

    by Itwasreallyfar

    Ok so you have given me some statistics, where did you ge them from, i think you need to look at how biased your source was, yes france has a large muslim minority, but the white european birth rates have not fallen anyhwere near that much, we are in the middle of an election here so all this bloody scaremongering about muslims and immigrants os happening all the time, fortunately our media is nowhere near as biased as your so we get real facts, the muslim population of the uk is 0.4% (source bbc news and the times newspaper) Just because more people with a different colour skin are being born doesnt guarantee they will all be muslim, spend a few years in the uk and you will see just how westernised second and third genertaion muslims have become, they are just as tolerant as christians or athiests The only thing that worries me is the fundamental aspeacts of any religions and we are far more likely to have problems with the christian right then any muslims

  • April 28, 2005, 11:59 a.m. CST

    muslims/europe

    by Itwasreallyfar

    Ok so you have given me some statistics, where did you ge them from, i think you need to look at how biased your source was, yes france has a large muslim minority, but the white european birth rates have not fallen anyhwere near that much, we are in the middle of an election here so all this bloody scaremongering about muslims and immigrants os happening all the time, fortunately our media is nowhere near as biased as your so we get real facts, the muslim population of the uk is 0.4% (source bbc news and the times newspaper) Just because more people with a different colour skin are being born doesnt guarantee they will all be muslim, spend a few years in the uk and you will see just how westernised second and third genertaion muslims have become, they are just as tolerant as christians or athiests The only thing that worries me is the fundamental aspeacts of any religions and we are far more likely to have problems with the christian right then any muslims

  • April 28, 2005, noon CST

    Neal McDonough should play Captain America...

    by Viewtiful Nymbus

    Remember 1st Lt. Lynn 'Buck' Compton in Band of Brothers?

  • April 28, 2005, noon CST

    mmm....so far the reaction is denial...followed by anger....foll

    by bigdickmcgee

  • April 28, 2005, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Forever TJ

    by Tdogs11

    Patriotic propaganda?? You're an idiot thinking that Allah is a fake. He is YOUR GOD, whether you like it or not. There is only ONE God in this universe. He has 3 common names: Yahweh, Jehova, & Allah. They are the same God. Abraham was black. Moses was black. And oh yes, Jesus Christ was black. Abraham was the father of Isaac & Ishmael. There was no Judaism or Christianity when Abraham was around. Judaism came from Judah, one of the sons of Jacob, son of Isaac. Christianity came from the Christ who was around after Abraham & Judah. So Abraham couldnt have been a Jew, Christian, or Catholic. The word Islam means, to serve God. Obey God. Surrender to God. Look it up if you know how to use a dictionary. When God told Abraham to take his son Isaac up to the mountain and kill him, he took his kid up there and was gonna shank him, but God stopped him because Abraham passed the test. Why? Because he obeyed God. When Jesus was in the garden begging his father to spare his life, he was on his knees surrendering to God. When the Romans gave Jesus his cross, he embraced it and said "I am your servant. May your will be done, not mine." He served God. Jesus was God's servant. God sends certain people thru history to teach us humans right from wrong. But we end up murdering & assassinating them. Look at the world now. Who's in power? Are they doing what God wants? Hell no. The Empire is doing the work of God's enemy, the devil. Oh and Christianity wasnt invented by Jesus. He already had his religion. It was simple, between him & his God. When he died the Jew temple was destroyed. So he definitely wasnt a Jew. Christianity was invented by the last Roman emperor named Constantine who was a capitalist. Thats why we have holidays like Christmas. You notice the only thing people talk about during Christmas is shopping? Yeah, Muslims today, like Jews & Christians, make up what they want and they take their religion as their weapon. Instead of uniting all together, we have been divided. So learn your history little kid, cuz that bullshit you learn in American schools & White churches is whats fake. Check yourself.

  • April 28, 2005, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Itwasreallyfar

    by Mjr. Lee Fukt

    We get what your saying the 1st time. No need to repeat yourself.

  • April 28, 2005, 12:04 p.m. CST

    mjr lee fukt

    by Itwasreallyfar

    oh yeh im sure if it was good i would love it, it would have to be 15 though (er thats R rated) and yeh it would definitly get cult status, but the Captain just isnt well known enough to be a breakthrough Oh i love american T.v M.A.S.H and the A Team rock but it will just be cult success not mainstream and er yes any FBI agents out there i mean long linve Captain Turkey...hey and pass me those freedom fries..lol

  • April 28, 2005, 12:08 p.m. CST

    "Christianity was invented by the last Roman emperor named Const

    by DocPazuzu

    Holy shit - a new kind of nutjob. Just when you think you've seen 'em all...

  • April 28, 2005, 12:10 p.m. CST

    man.some of these posts are insane...

    by bigdickmcgee

    Jesus wasn't a Jew? Christianity was invented by Constantine, a capitalist, that's why we have Christimas??? My favorite is Allah is YOUR god!! Hey, I'm beginning to get a clearer picture of western europe in the 21st century.

  • April 28, 2005, 12:11 p.m. CST

    bigdick (and i didnt think americans did irony)

    by Itwasreallyfar

    You cant deny something that isnt true, you gave me some opinions and i asked for facts (hey maybe you hawks should have done that about the WMD's) im not angry at you, i feel a bit annoyed that you only hear what you want too but thats it Now im currently studying for my Phd in International Politics so i DO have a better knowledge of the state that europe is in today Hell even if there was a majority of asian and middle eastern migrants i wouldnt mind, im not racist im certainly not patriotic i believe we are citizens of the world not the countries. Calm down the rhetoric and go get some facts

  • April 28, 2005, 12:12 p.m. CST

    GapeThatAss

    by Mjr. Lee Fukt

    Hmmm.. I'm sensing some anger... Did you get treated with unfairness when we turned down your green card application? Or, did you sneak in from Canada? Your a regular Captain Anti-America.

  • April 28, 2005, 12:16 p.m. CST

    The rest of the 8: Darkhold, Silver Surfer, Black Panther, Alpha

    by Big Bad Clone

    hell, what else could they be? So many characters are attached to X-men or Spider-Man

  • April 28, 2005, 12:17 p.m. CST

    When you actually see the Captain America Trailer

    by cookylamoo

    with Cap flinging his shield at the Red Skull and then taking out twenty five heavily armed "Internatonal Terrorists" in Blade type fast cut action, you'll forget politics and fall over yourselves to buy tickets.

  • April 28, 2005, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Heny Pym/Ant Man/Giant Man

    by Fred

    He's small...NO, HE'S BIG...small again...BIG...small. And why couldn't Giant Man talk to elephants?

  • April 28, 2005, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Here's an idear

    by Mjr. Lee Fukt

    I think Marvel should team up with Henson Company and do a team up of Sam the Eagle and Captain America.

  • April 28, 2005, 12:22 p.m. CST

    "mmm....so far the reaction is denial...followed by anger....fol

    by DocPazuzu

    All we did was ask you for your sources. If you can't back up what you're saying, it's not our fault.

  • April 28, 2005, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Christopher McQuarrie's NICK FURY

    by fabfunk

    starring Samuel L. Jackson... why not?

  • April 28, 2005, 12:27 p.m. CST

    To me, the big news from this deal are two-fold . . .

    by HarrisonsDad

    Number One: Msrvel is starting its very own film studio as part of Paramount, and Number Two: One of the projects is going to be "THE AVENGERS". Now that could be a much better film than The Fantastic Four!

  • April 28, 2005, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Oh, and Billy Crudup as DR. STRANGE

    by fabfunk

    Directed by Adrian Lyne?

  • April 28, 2005, 12:32 p.m. CST

    stating the obvious to the oblivious

    by bigdickmcgee

    Apparently, one has to submit a list of footnotes in this talkback. Here's a "fact" for you. France passed a law making it illegal to criticize Islam (Bridget Bardot was fined for saying Islam mistreats women). The same law is being pushed in the UK and other countries. Criticizing Islam is equated with "hate speech" and "racism". France will not publish books critical of Islam (bashing everyone else, especially Jews, is still ok). Even history books about the Islamic Jihad will not be published, because publishers are afraid of being prosecuted. I dunno, maybe you guys can put two and two together...?

  • April 28, 2005, 12:33 p.m. CST

    first

    by Awesemo

    The first captain america movie was dope. I used to watch it all the time, it was a classic. Yes there were some bad Marvel movies made in the 80's/90's but Capt. America wasn't one of them. Remeber the Dr. Strange movie, now that was bad, and the Fantastic Four movie, that was even worse. Nick Fury is one of the most under rated charachters in Marvel history, read the comics and you will see how dope they are, pick up one of his trade paper backs and you will see

  • April 28, 2005, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Oh, and in case you're wondering where I got "The Avengers" news

    by HarrisonsDad

    The link is http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05118/495810.stm

  • April 28, 2005, 12:37 p.m. CST

    laws

    by Itwasreallyfar

    the reasons these laws are being passed is a misstep in political correctness, BUT more importantly, so much bullshit comes from the right like bigdickmcgee here that its the equal reaction to what people like you are doing, i dont agree that any books should be banned but dont get the two issues confused. Plus if you are trying to use that to sy we are being overrun by muslims your an idiot there are a total of 3 muslim mp in the uk parliament and almost as few in french political circles, no doubt youd love a law to be passed stopping immigration, now which is more negative, harmful and oppressive??

  • April 28, 2005, 12:41 p.m. CST

    I've got it- Will Ferrell as Captain America!!!

    by Stan the Bat

    Black comedy is the only way to approach this one. 'Cap' doesn't realize that, while he was in the ice for thirty years, America has become a corporate-run, proto-fascist state. Wacky hijinks and zany misadventures ensue, and lots of dark-skinned non-Christians get beat up- that'll bring in the big box office for sure (everybody here seems to have a boner for that part). Also, Jack Black could play Nick Fury as the warden of a heli-prison who likes to sexually humiliate the inmates. Truly, a movie whose time has come.

  • April 28, 2005, 12:49 p.m. CST

    maybe you guys should stick to what you know: comic books, video

    by bigdickmcgee

  • April 28, 2005, 12:54 p.m. CST

    bigdick

    by Itwasreallyfar

    I have a first from LSE in politics a masters and im doing a PHd in international politics and geopolitical construction If anyne here knows these subjects best its me Your a fucking thick shit mcgee who clearly doesnt read my other posts and then has the audacity and stupidity to comment on them. Hell i dont really read comics and hate videogames pretty much oh and my g/f pretty much stops me wanking (much to my dissapointment) Oh and when you make racist bigotted comments its always a good idea to provide facts otherwise you end up looking like a prick (too late for you then) ok respond as im sure you will (it the whole inferiority complex you have mcgee) But please can we get back to the movies, i did ask that 20 posts ago

  • April 28, 2005, 1:05 p.m. CST

    "I dunno, maybe you guys can put two and two together...?"

    by DocPazuzu

    None of what you said has ANYTHING to do with your prediction of a Muslim majority in Western Europe within the next 100 years. I noticed you didn't mention the French government's ban on headscarves in public schools, by the way. How does that fit into your skewed and one-dimensional understanding of the politics of other countries?

  • April 28, 2005, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Good one BigBadClone

    by jim

    I forgot Peter Parker the Amazing Spider-ham in my list. How about Howard the Duck? I think it is time this was remade. But the absolute blockbuster of them all will be the "Forbush Man" movie.

  • April 28, 2005, 1:07 p.m. CST

    I meant "Peter Porker" (d'oh)

    by jim

  • April 28, 2005, 1:12 p.m. CST

    RELIGION

    by Mjr. Lee Fukt

    STOP blabbing about religion PLEASE. My eyes are bleeding from the sheer power of your super-powered rhetoric factor.

  • April 28, 2005, 1:23 p.m. CST

    itwasreallydumb...I really got your goat, don't I?

    by bigdickmcgee

    Good luck with your PhD dissertation - too bad you never passed remedial English (try to put a period in there somewhere, dude). Kudos on making your posts unreadable. I can see you turning purple in front of your computer, and it amuses me. poozozozozo whatever your name is, the reason these laws are being passed is because of the rising political clout of the muslim populations..rising by numbers. Do a bit of research. European demographics are way below replacement levels. In a generation or two, most people in Europe under 18 will be Muslim; in 3 or 4 generations, majority muslim.

  • April 28, 2005, 1:31 p.m. CST

    bigdickmcgee

    by DocPazuzu

    Complete alarmist bullshit. You've got nothing.

  • April 28, 2005, 1:31 p.m. CST

    my credentials

    by Itwasreallyfar

    look i could have started b saying what im studyin i only brought it up when mcgee said it was comic books that i knew best which i freely admit i dont, i do however love movies and love superhero movies that was what i was doing here but if i see someone making offensive remarks im going to stand up and something (we all have a right too) I havent boasted about what i do just explained why im qualified to talk about these subjects I know its a risky strategy bringing up things like phd's or whatever but if someone says you dont know what your talking about when you really do anyones bound to say why. Oh and why do you put expert n quotations??? i never said i was an expert i havent pretended to be, i do no more about it than your average person on the street though, it stand to reason. I do see your point about me mentioning the degree if i was showing. But im not im simpling explainig by viewpoint and giving reasons as to why i know about then. i dont feelintellectually undercapitalized but a degree does pretty much mean you have some authority to speak on the subject AND HELL WHAT ARE YOU DOING TELLING ME I SHOULDNT POST IN A TALKBACK ABOUT A COMIC BOOK HERO BEING MADE INTO A FILM, i love films and read some comics i have just asmuch of a right to be here posting as anyone, oh and the diatribes werent started by me i just felt i neede to lend a little bit of an alternative perspective on things

  • April 28, 2005, 1:32 p.m. CST

    the problem is the movie is called Captain AMERICA, which means

    by bigdickmcgee

  • April 28, 2005, 1:33 p.m. CST

    On the "war", "terrorists", and France haters

    by Jack Parsons

    1. We aren't at war. A couple of dozen fanatics got pilot training and crashed 4 airliners -- because they couldn't muster enough believers to crash 10 or 25. Read the 9-11 report. In all the world, they could get only those few. 2. The Taliban did not attack us. A small group of fanatics did it. The Afghans had the misfortune of hosting bin Laden and being stubborn enough not to let him go without proof. We slaughtered them by the thousands, even tho they had not a bloody thing to do with the 9-11 commandos. And we botched even that up; the Taliban is back. 3. France. Are you french haters aware that they went into Afghanistan with us after 9-11, risking their own to invade and hold the country -- and are still there? Shame on you for being ignorant, and shame on that Marvel writer for putting that grotesque line into the Ulimates book. They have been dying with us for years in that broken land. Honor them for their friendship, both for sticking with us and for telling us the truth about our President, the WMD's, and Iraq. 4. Islam. We've killed over 15K people at LEAST in Iraq, and statistically more likely 100K. Our chaplains and some officers spoke up and told us we were doing so in the name of Christ and God and against the false god of Allah. WHO are the ignorant fanatics here? a couple of dozen idiots? Yep -- and the 350 million who believe that those dozens represent Islam, and quote Jesus as they blow up 100 fucking thousand people for no damned reason at all.

  • April 28, 2005, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Not another Nazi movie.....

    by Spooky Howell

    I think capt america and nick fury deserve a movie, sure I do. Lets give all these marvel super heroes a movie. I have the perfect idea. "The Infinity Gauntlet" Ahh yaa that's right! I'd love to see that comic series on the big screen. The thought of watching Thanos kill every superhero in the marvel universe and then pick on the gods makes me as giddy as a school girl! And fear not kiddies, there's a happy ending! Please marvel, take my advice: "Infinity Gauntlet" ALL THE WAY!!!

  • April 28, 2005, 1:35 p.m. CST

    english

    by Itwasreallyfar

    man, i could spend time writing on here in perfect english or i could write what i want and spend more time doing something much more productive You didnt get my goat lol believe it or not i can post on here, do work and talk on the phone all at once. Don't be so big headed to think you opinions affect me so much. You keep telling me all thses stats but you havent once told me your sources, like i say back up you opinion with evidence to be taken seriously

  • April 28, 2005, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Hey, that must be a record...he went 92 seconds without mentioni

    by bigdickmcgee

    can't read your posts, genius, because they are written by disorganized, barely literate mind. Pzapzpzpapapzpozozoozoozozoozooz (whatever)...I think your coffee break is over. Someone's at the drive-thru.

  • April 28, 2005, 1:41 p.m. CST

    er ive mentioned them ONCE

    by Itwasreallyfar

    in any length,ok so maybe my TYPING is not too good but hell im not taking this as seriously as you seem to be Calm down a little and start discussing the facts not bitching at the people can we please get back to the movie (this is my 3rd request now)

  • April 28, 2005, 1:42 p.m. CST

    yes, the terrorist threat is all made up...just a couple of doze

    by bigdickmcgee

  • April 28, 2005, 1:45 p.m. CST

    damn my fullstop button is not working lol

    by Itwasreallyfar

    that would help if it did, jeez

  • April 28, 2005, 1:46 p.m. CST

    I hope Marvel has plans for my favorite character

    by cookylamoo

    That's right, Manakin. The member of Alpha Flight who can turn himself into his choice of a Caveman, an Amoeba or a big headed future man. (Strangely enough, he often chooses the amoeba). Anyway, that's my idea of a REAL super-hero. And he's Canadian, so he won't piss off you touchy Brits and Muslems. I think Ashton Kuchner would be perfect for the part, especially with the big plastic future head.

  • April 28, 2005, 1:51 p.m. CST

    "can't read your posts, genius, because they are written by diso

    by DocPazuzu

    Am I the only one who saw the humorous discrepancy in that quote? You've still got nothing, bigdickmcgee.

  • April 28, 2005, 1:54 p.m. CST

    you got me, pizzle wizzle, I made the whole thing up. Now let's

    by bigdickmcgee

  • April 28, 2005, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Jack Parsons

    by Right Bastard

    Well said, man. Wow, someone opening their mouth (er, typing on their keyboard) who actually READS and knows that facts first, rather than regurgitating talk radio and cable news. Good on ya!

  • April 28, 2005, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Tell me, have any of you guys ever been to the planet Earth?

    by bigdickmcgee

  • April 28, 2005, 1:59 p.m. CST

    bigdickmcgee...

    by Blue_Demon

    They will not answer your question because The Left does not think. It feels. And they don't want to admit that Europe's secularism has destroyed it. You can't have NO religion. And if you toss out one...you will leave room for another. Islam will be a force to be reckoned with in Europe. The liberals will not find this out until it's too late though. Cause...y'know...it's not politically correct to point out facts that might hurt people's feelings.

  • April 28, 2005, 2 p.m. CST

    Dear Marvel,

    by Right Bastard

    I know you're excited, and the comic book boom is a great thing. It wil earn you a lot of cash in intellectual property, and might even increase interest in you books. But please, take a step back for a minute. We don't need to see every damn character on screen in a half-assed way in the next three years. You dropped the ball on Punisher, Elektra, and Daredevil. Time to step back, chill, and think these things through. Don't worry, you'll still make your Billions.

  • April 28, 2005, 2:06 p.m. CST

    I'm not a religious guy myself...

    by bigdickmcgee

    But the reason the Left doesn't see a threat is not due to their lack of religion...it's because many of them are really really dumb. They maintain each others delusions like a religious cult. Many of them are socio-economic losers who are attracted to any ideology that vilifies their own society. Also, many of them are crypto-facists. They'll deny the threat, then embrace it with open arms like the Vichy French.

  • April 28, 2005, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Blue_Demon

    by DocPazuzu

    What the hell are you talking about? From the very beginning I've been trying to get bigdick to elaborate on where he gets his "facts", in order to debate him. Since he has done nothing of the kind and is dodging the issue, there is no "question" to answer. It actually IS possible to support the war on terror (which I do) and be able to differentiate between fanatics and moderates or liberals of all religions. The kind of sweeping, alarmist, poorly-supported statements made by people like bigdick are as ignorant and prejudiced as those of militant islamists who believe all westerners deserve death.

  • April 28, 2005, 2:10 p.m. CST

    vikingkitty is

    by Hervoyel

    Pretty much dead on right. Islam is a menace to the rest of the world and before it's all said and done it will have to be put down for the good of mankind. Fortunately for everyone involved the means exist to do it in a relatively quick and humane manner. They just need to keep pushing. A few more really high body counts and the rest of the world (the portion that actually advances mankind) will have had enough.

  • April 28, 2005, 2:12 p.m. CST

    I think they should get Hulk Hogan for Captain America

    by Doc_Strange

    "Avengers Assemble, BROTHER!!!!"

  • April 28, 2005, 2:12 p.m. CST

    blue demon

    by Itwasreallyfar

    "the left does not think Itfeels"??? Have you ever read Chomsky? Ghandi? Martin Luther King Naomi Klein? Clearly not if you come out with that bullshit assumption, it's a typical right wing view to say the left are all touchy feely. It's also bullshit the problem with the right is that it thinks but not enough. "we have biggest weapons, we have most power, we control things" ok im simplifying but hell, that's what you seem to like to do: You then say you can't get rid of religion and have ago at secularism, so that would make you a Christian or jewish? Your religious for sure, and what is religious faith??? It is a FEELING, it cannot be supported by proof, so dont try and show up how clever you are when your beliefs are entirely based on feelings. Fundamentslism on both sides is the major problem not religion or securalism. Your a fundamentalist some muslims You need to THINK before you post

  • April 28, 2005, 2:12 p.m. CST

    "a relatively quick and humane manner"

    by DocPazuzu

    A new Final Solution, then? Asshole.

  • April 28, 2005, 2:14 p.m. CST

    for the last time, you ignorant doushe....

    by bigdickmcgee

    Check out any statistics ANYWHERE on European birthrates. Anywhere. Internet. Books. Newspapers. Magazine articles. Most Western European countries are 1.1-1.3 children per woman. You need 2.1 for replacement levels. Muslim immigrants are around 3.7. I never realized when I posted here that I'd have to do a thesis defense in front of professor Pooozeshmoozle, and submit footnotes, letters of reference, primary sources and priceless ancient relics to prove my point. I just thought it was evident to anyone who reads anything other than this talkback.

  • April 28, 2005, 2:14 p.m. CST

    itwasreallydumb

    by BurlIvesLeftNut

    I don't care about your argument other than getting some amusement out of your obsessive need to defend, um, something. But you are the worst debater in this galaxy and nine others. My favorite part was when you accuded the big dicked fella that he hasn't given you any facts. First, he gave you facts as soon as you asked for them way up the page, but what is REALLY hysterical is that you are someone short of facts yourself. Everything you type is based on your world perspective. So I have a question for you, and I want you to back up this answer with some REAL facts this time. What is it like being the biggest douche bag in this entire thread? Yes you are a greater douche than the moron who thinks Constantine, the capitalist, invented Christianity.

  • April 28, 2005, 2:15 p.m. CST

    I can see that...

    by Blue_Demon

    but honestly, I think it's a little bit of both mate. Islam cannot make headway into a culture that remembers its Judeo-Christian roots. Destroy that, and the politically correct lefties will let the place burn up on the pyre of multi-culturalism. E Pluribus Unum. Out of many...ONE. Melting Pot. Peace.

  • April 28, 2005, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Christianity is just as dangerous as Islam

    by Itwasreallyfar

    when fundamentalist take control, no religion is wholly evil or wholly good:

  • April 28, 2005, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Itwasreallyfar...

    by Blue_Demon

    That is why we do not live in a theocracy like many Middle East countries. I agree that one can bend religion to any evil. But remembering the Judeo/Christian beginnings of our country is important. We do not establish a national religion ( thank goodness ) but we cannot drop our origins. If we do, then we start dropping moral absolutes. And when we do that, it's all over.

  • April 28, 2005, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Absolutely a "Final Solution".

    by Hervoyel

    And this makes me an asshole and an evil one to boot I'm sure. The single distinction between Hitlers "Final Solution" and mine is this. The Jews of Europe did nothing either collectively or individually to merit their fate. They were simply victims. Muslims on the other hand will for the most part stand aside while a relative few bring about a catastrophic end to their people. I keep hearing about moderate elements in muslim societies. You never see any of them making a difference though do you? They're always this supposed majority who don't really approve of what the evil little handful are doing. Personally I no longer buy it. There's two kinds of muslims in my opinion. A small number of psychotic assholes who are actually willing to do all the insane shit we see and read about over there and a very large number of people who either approve of this or are too cowardly to do anything about it. In both cases the human race is not one penny poorer for their passing.

  • April 28, 2005, 2:25 p.m. CST

    "Most Western European countries are 1.1-1.3 children per woman.

    by DocPazuzu

    Really? Which countries? Do you even know how many countries there are in Western Europe? What about the different immigration policies of different European countries? How about non-muslim immigrants to those countries? Or expatriate non-muslims who return home to their native European countries? How about mortality rates of the different groups? How about Muslim immigrants who later move elsewhere, sometimes back to their own or other Muslim countries? How about Muslim immigrants to one European country who then move to ANOTHER European country, thus doubling their own contribution to the Muslim immigration statistics? What about Muslims who convert to other religions after emigrating? Or non-muslims who convert to islam? Do you, in fact, know ANYTHING about statistics? I could go to countless nazi or communist websites or buy their crap books and quote their shit as the "truth" in this talkback and then scoff at people asking me where i get my facts. "Go look it up on the web" I could say. "Go read a book". Kind of like you did.

  • April 28, 2005, 2:25 p.m. CST

    liberalism

    by Right Bastard

    Many of you "lefty" bashers, obviously, have no idea what liberalism is. Saying things like liberals "Don't think", "are emotional", etc. If you hate something (1/2 your country) so much, then you may as well educate yourself about what you hate. Hypoerbolic bullshit like that makes your arguments baseless and empty.

  • April 28, 2005, 2:26 p.m. CST

    But hey! Enough of this...let's talk comics!

    by Blue_Demon

    I hope they make a darned good Captain America movie. Whether he fights Nazis or Islamo-terrorist ( modern Nazis ) it's of no consequence to me. As long as good triumphs over evil, I'm happy. God I love my country. I'm Mexican American and I absolutely adore the United States. Nice place we got here! :)

  • April 28, 2005, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Hervoyel

    by DocPazuzu

    So, by your hair-raisingly idiotic logic every majority population of every land ever subjected to the dictatorship of a few -- whether they be islamists, communists, fascists or nazis deserves to be eradicated since they didn't do anything to get rid of their oppressors. The only reason you apply that logic only to Muslims is because you're a fucking racist - it has nothing to do with dealing with a specific threat.

  • April 28, 2005, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Hmmm...okay...

    by Blue_Demon

    Well, then educate me Right Bastard ( no, I'm not being sarcastic ) what would you say is the major belief of The Left? That everyone should be Equal? I'm really asking. In my thinking I come to the conclusion that the left believes that inequality is the root of our evils. Poverty equals crime and such. As for me, I believe that poverty simply means poverty. One's CHOICES are the root cause of our evils. One's BAD choices. I say this with no disrespectful tone.

  • April 28, 2005, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Be nice to America

    by Quin the Eskimo

    It's been nice to you

  • April 28, 2005, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Chomsky...

    by Blue_Demon

    Hey...wasn't he the guy who supported Pol Pot? Sure, I'll go read him. I promise! ( no, not being sarcastic ) God cannot be proven...but we do need moral absolutes. And if they come from man...well then they fluctuate. If they come from God...then they are iron-clad. Martin Luther King fought the evil of racism. Ghandi freed India ( and thank God he was "fighting" Britain...they are civilized...how long do you think Ghandi would have lasted against say...Nazi Germany? About two, three weeks? ) dang...luch time isover and I was enjoying this! argggh! oh well...later on this afternoon. Peace!

  • April 28, 2005, 2:44 p.m. CST

    My first step if I were doing Nick Fury, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D.

    by Ardee-El

    Would be hiring Jim Steranko as creative and visual consultant. (I'd still like to see his take on Nick's "origin story" -- there's gotta be more than throwing a booby-trapped chair out of one of the helicarrier's window.)

  • April 28, 2005, 2:50 p.m. CST

    So Hervoyel, you advocate genocide?

    by jim

    In order to remove the threat from, your words, "A small number of psychotic assholes..." you would murder a billion or so people? And when that is done, what next? Kill anyone over the age of 80 because they are a drain on health care? Execute anyone convicted of a crime whether it be murder, kidnapping, robbery, fraud, speeding, jaywalking? Hell, why convict them, why not just shoot them on the spot as soon as they are arrested or simply accused? Each action makes justification for the next that much easier. The difference between Hitler's genocide and your plan is you feel your plan is justified. Well guess what, so did Hitler (about his plan, not yours). Your idea to eradicate a billion people because of their religious beliefs is insane. You are no different than a terrorist who justifies his actions by saying he is fighting a "holy war".

  • April 28, 2005, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Secret War?

    by thefuture2000

    Maybe both characters will be in the same films?

  • April 28, 2005, 2:52 p.m. CST

    sort of...

    by Right Bastard

    Unfortunately I'm at work, so I can't write a well thought out reply right now (and I kind of agree with people, that I want to get back to talking about comics). To a certain extent, you are correct about one aspect of liberalism (hell, I'm not a liberal. To quote Ferris Beuller "I don't like 'isms'"). As far as that aspect, it's not to enforce equality, but to try to give everyone an equal chance from the start. If policy is set in a certain way to disadvantage a group of people, and never give them a chance to rise up, then they will eventually react. The point is that no one Chooses to be in poverty. There will always be poverty to a certain extent, but when that poverty is supported by government policy...i can't get behind that. Ugh! I wish I wasn't at work. I'd write a much better response, especially since you're honestly interested...more later.

  • April 28, 2005, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Chonsky

    by Right Bastard

    This is a Chomsky lecture give Years before the current invasion of Iraq. It's pretty interesting: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1902593278/qid=/sr=/ref=cm_lm_asin/102-3559707-2153761?v=glance

  • April 28, 2005, 3 p.m. CST

    Oh, and Chomsky's not a liberal

    by Right Bastard

    He's very critical of liberalism, as he is of conservatisem. Chomsky is an anarchist. Liberals are much more mainstream than people like Chomsky, Howard Zinn, and Arundhati Roy.

  • Kiefer. Cap. PULEEEZ.

  • April 28, 2005, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Doc, c'mon lighten up

    by Hervoyel

    We're only talking a little genocide here man. It's not the end of the world (at least for me and mine it's not). I'm only applying it to Muslims because Muslims and in a wider sense Islam happen to be the subject. It's not racism either Doc. I don't judge people by the color of their skin and neither should anyone else. I do however judge people by their choices and I judge them by their culture. I judge them by their religon as well. I'm kind of judgemental I guess. Personally I have no religous beliefs. I think that religon in nearly all it's forms is responsible for more pure evil in this world than anyone and anything else. Islam is in my opinion the last truly dangerous religon. Both Judaism and Christianity have gone through a reformation of sorts. They've been reconciled to some degree with the modern world and reality. Islam is far removed from this. Christianity and Judaism need to have an eye kept on them of course to keep the fundies in check but mostly they're broken religions. For example the Pope says no birth control but in countries where people are well educated his followers smile, nod their heads, and go do the smart thing anyway. Islam on the other hand still remains very much in contradiction with the modern, enlightened world. Try blowing off a Mullah in one of those Islamic republics as in the previous example. You'll find your ass stoned to death or hung from a crane before a crowd of onlookers. Get it straight Doc, I hate Islam. That doesn't make me a racist because I hate Cat Fucking Stevens as much as I do any Arab spending his time listening to an idiot in a Mosque. I don't care what their race is, I hate their religon and their society. They're members of a primitive cult that's in the process of making a very powerful part of the world hate them. What do you think the end result will be? For that matter forget about the United States and Europe. There's another nation in this world that's extremely concerned with Islam and it's effect on their people. China's response to the kind of crap these terrorists have been pulling will make ours look like a friendly talk at the UN. Incidently I like the Chinese so see, no racist here. Bye now!

  • April 28, 2005, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Hey RightBastard, if you're not a liberal or a conservative . .

    by HarrisonsDad

    . . . are you a Centrist? Or do you dislike all labels? http://leftofcentrist.blogspot.com/

  • April 28, 2005, 3:16 p.m. CST

    So Hervoyel...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...back in the days when Christianity was a much more oppressive religion than Islam, the Muslims would have been justified in wiping all the Christians out? Anyone who would advocate the murder of children just because they're born into a religion or culture of a more oppressive nature than our own is a miserable shitsack. As far as I'm concerned, Hervoyel, you are the scum of the earth. The kind of cold, venomous mind you have is no different than that of someone who would blow himself up in a bus full of kids. You may be more anxious to keep youself alive than a militant islamist, but your willingness to kill innocents is identical. I wish I would run into more people like you in real life.

  • April 28, 2005, 3:17 p.m. CST

    to tha haterz...lol

    by Itwasreallyfar

  • April 28, 2005, 3:19 p.m. CST

    News for people overseas

    by Vern

    Nobody INSIDE America wants to see a fuckin Captain America movie either. No disrespect to the fine individuals (along with much disrespect to the shithead who used the term "camel jockey")... but this is a very very small minority group of people who are interested in these types of fetishes. However, I'm going to be very generous here and assume that maybe the individuals at Paramount have some kind of common sense and know they gotta figure out a clever way to do it to make it appealing to a broader audience than those six or seven people. Who knows, maybe they'll find a writer who could figure out a way to make it interesting. I guess.

  • April 28, 2005, 3:24 p.m. CST

    posting

    by Itwasreallyfar

    ok Kai_Mah'gra you didnt say i cant post on here in the same way that i didnt say i was an expert (for your information when talking about something someone said and you use quotations it is generally regarded your quoting the person in question. Ok i dont want an argument in semantics really. However if somebody questions your knowledge on the subject it is not boastful to tell them that, you do, indeed have alot of experience in that area. Im not showing anyone up or even saying that i know more then them. I'm simply saying that i do know what im talking about. I can read simple sentences but i can also read subtext, your a very very patronising person telling me the dangers of saying i have degrees. This is a movie website and so it is just as valid for me to post on it from that point of view (which if you the read the posts i made on the CA subject you will see i did).

  • Because at no time was I interesting in looking for it.

  • April 28, 2005, 3:28 p.m. CST

    susan sontag as nick fury...oh, wait...

    by duanejones

    she's gay. and dead.

  • April 28, 2005, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Alarmist bullshit right here!!!

    by bigdickmcgee

    European birthrates: France and Ireland - 1.8, Germany - 1.4, Italy and Spain - 1.2.....European average - 1.4, needed for replacement level - 2.1; Saudi Arabia - 6.9, Yemen - 7.2....Euro-Muslims - 3.4-4.4. Source:World Health Organization. Current Muslim pop. of Europe - 13%; Projected Muslim pop. of Europe in 2025 - 22-37%; Source: CIA report. It took me 7 minutes to find this info on the net.

  • April 28, 2005, 3:29 p.m. CST

    All religions have their fanatics.

    by Shan

    If you cast a sufficient degree of scrutiny on any religion, you will find elements and behaviour that is unacceptable. This may be more a function of the country, its history and culture than whichever religion tends to be the state religion at that time.

  • April 28, 2005, 3:29 p.m. CST

    "Also, many of them are crypto-facists."

    by cookylamoo

    Like Superman's Dog?

  • April 28, 2005, 3:30 p.m. CST

    "Also, many of them are crypto-facists."

    by cookylamoo

    Like Superman's Dog?

  • April 28, 2005, 3:34 p.m. CST

    What do you think the kids are going to turn out like Doc?

    by Hervoyel

    Seriously, do you see a bunch of religous whack jobs raising some reasonable, thinking people? If so how do explain the turn around from the last several hundred years where one generation of barbaric Allah worshipping fools has raised another? I want to hear this. And yes, back in the days Christianity was at least as much of a menace to the world as Islam is now. Probably a bigger one and if they'd had the means to do so they'd have wiped us Europeans (counting myself among them based on ancestors locations) off the face of the earth. Who gives a shit about "justified". Nobody then, "back in the days" worried about whether their actions were justified. Each side was certain "God" was on their team. Both sides were primtive dangerous cults. Can you go up to the board and point out the one that's relatively unchanged? Maybe that's a bit much to ask. Now Doc, I didn't call you scum or anything like that. I think you're naive a little but I'm sure you're well meaning and want everyone to live together forever with ponies and ice cream. That's good and I want to know how that works out for you and the rest of the Care Bears in Candyland.

  • April 28, 2005, 3:35 p.m. CST

    "Projected Muslim pop. of Europe in 2025 - 22-37%"

    by DocPazuzu

    Europe is a lot of different countries, bigdick. I might also add that Africa isn't one big country in case you thought it was. Also, the 22-37% isn't across the board. Some countries will have more than that, and others a lot less. The projected numbers are also based on current societal and political factors, not to mention that Turkey's entire Muslim population will officially be considered European once they join the EU, thus raising the statistics without moving an inch from their homelands. The fact remains that you only pay attention to the numbers that reinforce your own ignorant, narrow view of the world. Anything can be found on the net in seven minutes.

  • April 28, 2005, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Ummmm... Off topic, much?

    by docfalken

    From Cap Ap to Chomsky to the Care Bears. Can't we get Kevin Bacon involved somehow?

  • April 28, 2005, 3:40 p.m. CST

    But we got the bomb!

    by Shan

    Lots of them too! Enough to more than cancel out that higher birth rate! Well Pakistan's got a few but so what?

  • April 28, 2005, 3:40 p.m. CST

    You just can't admit it, can you....

    by bigdickmcgee

    The figure is for the European union, and has nothing to do with Turkey. It takes into account birthrates and immigration, both legal and illegal. Game, set and match, doushe bag. You wanted facts, you got 'em. Now go back to work; the lady wants her Big Mac.

  • April 28, 2005, 3:44 p.m. CST

    You're slime, Hervoyel.

    by DocPazuzu

    You're actually trying to justify the wholesale murder of children because of how they might be raised by their parents. Even if they ARE raised that way, you would have them slaughtered before the fact, and somehow that's okay in your book. I'm sure you think it would be okay to wipe out the entire population of North Korea as well because the kids are being indoctrinated by communist loons. You're a swine of the lowest order, Hervoyel.

  • April 28, 2005, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Aaron Eckhart would rule though.

    by docfalken

    It would have to be post WWII Cap Ap too. Complete with Submariner finding the frozen Steve Rogers. They'd get the tie-in to a future Submariner movie in there, and then have Cap Ap grapple with the new world order and the blurred lines between bad guy and good. I mean a teary eyed Captain America standing in the middle of Congress, with a tattered US flag in his hand after he discovers how government is about big business instead of ideals and promotion of democracy, might just rule all.

  • April 28, 2005, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Lots of Who?

    by Hervoyel

    Care Bears? I don't want lots of Care Bears in my Captain America movie. I'm not even sure I want a Captain America movie. Paramount is going to sell Captain America to one of two groups. They're either going to make it into "Another Spiderman, only with a dash patriotism!" and viola, summer action flick is born. Or they're going to pack it full of ham and sell it to the same bunch who love Tom Delay and spent way too much money on Mel Gibson's snuff film.

  • April 28, 2005, 3:47 p.m. CST

    bigdickmcgee

    by DocPazuzu

    The CIA are a lot smarter than you are. If you, on the other hand, knew anything about European politics you'd know that Turkey will be a member of the EU well within 25 years. And you still haven't addressed any of the other statistical factors I brought up. I can do this all night if you want.

  • April 28, 2005, 3:47 p.m. CST

    look at the death rates too mcgee

    by Itwasreallyfar

    Just because the countries with muslims in have a higher birthrate now does not mean it will in 20 years time you cannot project those figures. Now as i said waaay back on here just because there are alot of muslims it doesnt follow that they will all be fanatics or even religious at all. Many second and third generation muslim in the uk are very very secular in fact one recent icm poll actually showed them to be less likely to believe in any sort of god than, white british kids (what with all the spiritualism bollocks around at the moment) The uk is right in the middle of an election and one part is trying basically the same tactics as mcgee, however our media are very happpy to tell us that ANY of these stats can be easily twisted to fi any argument. What this comes down to is belief and fear. Do we have faith that treating some well have a positive affect on them. Or do we fear and isolate them and make it more likely for them to head for extremism???

  • April 28, 2005, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Six Degrees

    by Shan

    Kevin Bacon - Xander Berkeley (Apollo 13) Xander Berkeley - Arnold Schwarzenegger (Terminator 2) Arnold Schwarzenegger - George W Bush (well, something that appeared on TV sometime) George W Bush - some guy in intelligence (not on any film we're going to see) some guy in intelligence - some other guy in intelligence (ditto) some other guy in intelligence - former partisan allies/now enemy of The State (probably seen on CNN/Fox/Whatever)

  • April 28, 2005, 3:51 p.m. CST

    HarrisonsDad

    by Right Bastard

    I wouldn't call myself a centrist, because I don't think either the left or right have wonderful ideas, so I don't want to be in the middle of that mess ;) I don't like political organizations, in general. Things get too one sided and dogmatic within the parties. I don't trust anyone who blindly throws 100% of their support to any party. My biggest problem with the right is that they won't attack their own. One thing the left has going for it is that they will (mostly) admit their mistakes. I respect that. My politics are my own. I don't like either side, really. As Louis Black said about the last election "Our choices were between shittier and shittier." I am against whoever is in charge and dicking with people...to put it eloquently. Right now the people who fall in that category are the Republicans. If the dems get back in control, then I'll give them hell. Still, Bush's arrogance is astounding. He's a f*cking public servant, and whether or not he likes it, he is accountable to the electorate.

  • April 28, 2005, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Can't wait for the Captain America movie...

    by Htown

    I'll probably see it three times just to make the "hate America first" crowd a little more angry. Also, is it too much to hope that the Falcon could make a showing? Black people who AREN'T vampires can be heroes, too.

  • April 28, 2005, 3:55 p.m. CST

    call yourself movie fans???

    by Itwasreallyfar

    er just one thing, to all the people making fun of Doc Pazazu....your fucking idiots. Pazazu is the name of the Demon in the Exorcist films, sheesh you really dont look beyond your own noses do ya?

  • April 28, 2005, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Dave Barry summed up American two-party politics best:

    by DocPazuzu

    (I'm paraphrasing here:) If you're stuck on the side of the road with a flat tire, a democrat will stop to help you fix it but somehow manage to set your car on fire. A republican knows how to fix your tire but won't stop because he doesn't want to be late for Ugly Pants Night at the country club.

  • April 28, 2005, 3:59 p.m. CST

    by Shan

    There was an interesting article, I wish I could find it - which said that Muslims raised in the United States from birth/very young tended strongly to be more like the country they were raised in, not other Muslim countries whose cultures are quite different. The vast majority are law abiding patriotic Americans. Of course there are always going to be exceptions but that is the case for just about anything - or any group of people.

  • April 28, 2005, 4:01 p.m. CST

    I look forward to the day...

    by Hervoyel

    ...when DocPazuzu is on the cover of Popular Science for having invented the cruise missile that can tell the difference between good people and bad, thus allowing the civilized nations of the world to defend themselves against societies and cultures that are for the most part evil twisted and barbaric but which also may have some children (and ponies!) around. Call me slime if you want Doc. Call me slime if it makes you feel better. I don't care all that much really. I'm not out there actively campaigning for war between the Muslim world and everyone else. I just see it coming and don't mind that it's going to happen. If that makes me creepy evil slime then so be it. I sleep well at night. I still wonder though who those other Marvel properties are. I don't think I can come up with 8 total Marvel characters I want to see on screen even if I include the ones they've already made.

  • April 28, 2005, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Hey, Doc, I'll bet it's the only thing you can do all night....I

    by bigdickmcgee

    Confront a Lefter with facts - deny deny deny!!! Then claim the stat was read wrong. Then claim you're talking about something completely different. Then claim you're wrong because you didn't asnwer some other question that was asked three days ago. And didn't provide any references. Which if you did would be wrong, and read incorrectly, and not answering the question that was asked previosuly...which you didn't answer in the time alotted. Then start talking about something completely different and irrelevant to the argument. Then claim you're a genius. Then say something that makes no sense in any language.

  • April 28, 2005, 4:08 p.m. CST

    hervoyel

    by Itwasreallyfar

    There are NO cultures or societies any more that are good or bad its really is down to people, sure it's safer for the us airforce to carpet bomb an entire city rather than wage a land war (you all learnt that in vietnam) however all it does it create more terrorists, every bomb that killed a civillian is a dragons tooth and the US has sown many more of those that it can defend against. Oh and as for sleeping well...im sure Hitler and Saddam did too.

  • April 28, 2005, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Shan

    by DocPazuzu

    Just look at the Afghan-American community in San Francisco (it's even called "Little Afghanistan"). An overwhelming majority supported the war against the Taliban. There was also an enormous surge of Arab-American applications both to the language services of the CIA and FBI after 9-11 as well as people joining the armed forces. As a group, they love their country as much as any Americans, and even vote republican, traditionally. The same type of loyalty can be seen in any democratic society in which they live -- especially 2nd and 3rd generations. These are the same people Hervoyel advocates murdering.

  • April 28, 2005, 4:14 p.m. CST

    "Then say something that makes no sense in any language."

    by DocPazuzu

    Pretty much like your last post, bigdick. Also, the fact that you call me a "lefty" shows how shallow your perception of the nuances of politics is. The fact remains that you're tailoring the statistics to fit your own limited views. Any factors which might influence the percentages you choose to hold as iron-cast are disregarded. I can't take you seriously, sorry.

  • April 28, 2005, 4:17 p.m. CST

    You're done. Admit it.

    by bigdickmcgee

    My initial question was correct. The Muslim populations of Europe will rise. EVERYONE knows it. Muslims know it. Europeans know it. You don't know it because you don't know anything. If you wanna get some sleep, read your own posts.

  • April 28, 2005, 4:20 p.m. CST

    So what if the muslim population is rising???

    by Itwasreallyfar

    It doesnt fucking matter unless your some idiot who's scared that they will invade us all and create an entirely Islamic world Do you honestly think that the majority or muslims are evil or fundamentalists or terrorists?? Do you really believe that?

  • April 28, 2005, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Captain Cornball

    by Fuzzy Pumper

    Good luck making Capn America interesting. A fish out of water/unfrozen anachronism approach, with strong comedic elements, is the ONLY way this project could ever be interesting.

  • April 28, 2005, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Good Captain America...

    by stlfilmwire

    A good Captain America would be my original choice as Superman: Simon Baker (the guy from Land of the Living Dead and that show he did). I prefer Aaron Eckhart as Iron Man.

  • April 28, 2005, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Supersize me

    by Itwasreallyfar

    oh wow its on regular T.V right now, jesus h christ those are some fucking huge portions. I thought they were the same as the english large sizes....but fucking hell there massive. How can anyone have good teeth after all that shit lol

  • April 28, 2005, 4:26 p.m. CST

    new tactic - so what if you're fucking right?? Big deal??? Who

    by bigdickmcgee

    That was my initial question - and I guess I got my answer. Now what do all you European non-Muslims think?

  • April 28, 2005, 4:27 p.m. CST

    "You're done. Admit it."

    by DocPazuzu

    Reminds me of the joke about the cheating husband who's chased around the house by his enraged wife and who finally takes his refuge, cowering, under the bed. Upon hearing the demand that he get out from under the bed, he replies "No! I'll show you who's boss, bitch!"

  • April 28, 2005, 4:29 p.m. CST

    im not saying you ARE right

    by Itwasreallyfar

    im saying so what if you are?? I mean what is the big deal I'm not muslim hell i dont belong to any religion (i wasn't even baptised, im a heathen i know) But really tell me what the problem is in having more muslims???

  • April 28, 2005, 4:29 p.m. CST

    "Now what do all you European non-Muslims think?"

    by DocPazuzu

    Are you so dumb that you haven't yet realized that those very people ARE answering your question?

  • April 28, 2005, 4:29 p.m. CST

    I think it's safe to say...

    by Blue_Demon

    that bigdickmcgee slam-dunked here. Unarguable facts ( the Muslims here are NOT like the Muslims in Europe. Remember that filmmaker who was murderd? ) pretty much win out. But I WILL read Chomsky. Although he sounds like a hater. Anarchists really bring nothing to the table.

  • April 28, 2005, 4:33 p.m. CST

    blue demon

    by Itwasreallyfar

    What slamdunk? What has he proved? So an extremist killed a filmmaker. Hell those fucking stupid christian extremists kill abortion clinic workers. It's exactly the same as that!

  • April 28, 2005, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Bin Pazuzu: the other guy was Muslim. You soon will be.

    by bigdickmcgee

  • April 28, 2005, 4:36 p.m. CST

    "bigdickmcgee slam-dunked here"

    by DocPazuzu

    What planet are you currently living on?

  • April 28, 2005, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Mcgee

    by Itwasreallyfar

    I'm sorry did i tell you in secret that i am a muslim??? Where on earth did you get that idea from?? Oh i see it's because i dont agree with your pathetic ramblings. Right in that case every other country and half of the US is a muslim...looks like you have already lost then you big fucking twat lol

  • April 28, 2005, 4:37 p.m. CST

    "What's the big deal with having more Muslims?" -- That answers

    by bigdickmcgee

    I actually have more respect for the Islamonutters than you. At least they know what they want. You guys are just fuckin' dumb. You're boiled frogs. You're dead. You just don't know it.

  • April 28, 2005, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Sorry, you're not a Muslim; you're a dhimmi

    by bigdickmcgee

  • April 28, 2005, 4:39 p.m. CST

    "Call me slime if it makes you feel better."

    by DocPazuzu

    You ARE slime, Hervoyel.

  • April 28, 2005, 4:42 p.m. CST

    so again why is it bad that there are more muslims???

    by Itwasreallyfar

    seriously tell me why? oh and dont start with the pseudo cool lines like that, its making you look pretty fucking desperate, if you are having to half recycle lines from The Crow for crying out loud.

  • April 28, 2005, 4:44 p.m. CST

    And you Bin Poozle are a fake liberal, fucking idiot

    by bigdickmcgee

    You need help, man. Seriously. EVERY time I look on this site, I found you spouting your dumbass opinions about anything and everything. You know a lot about nothing. Do something with yourself. Get a job. Get a life. Get friends. Get a hobby. You are here EVERY FUCKING DAY!!!! What is this, therapy for you? You're probably some unemployed Euroshmuck sitting at your computer and waiting for the revolution. You're pathetic.

  • April 28, 2005, 4:45 p.m. CST

    I won't tell you why, itwasreallydumb....why spoil the surprise?

    by bigdickmcgee

  • April 28, 2005, 4:45 p.m. CST

    why is it bad that there are more muslims??

    by Itwasreallyfar

    i can keep asking

  • April 28, 2005, 4:47 p.m. CST

    I didn't say it was "bad" - I asked your opinion of it, you igno

    by bigdickmcgee

  • April 28, 2005, 4:47 p.m. CST

    you dont know why by the look of it

    by Itwasreallyfar

    honestly if you hate them that much im sure you could tell me why you do. What, did you hear the 9/11 attacks were by muslims and just extrapolate from there, or did daddy drum it in to you???

  • April 28, 2005, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Good God you guys have gotten scary

    by Z_B_Brox

    Okay, for Christ's sake, cut your jets and be rational a damn minute here, "bigdick" and co. A number of points, from big ideas, to little ideas. 1: I do believe that morals are absolute, and that should not be forgotten. However, they are absolute the way science is absolute, and must be evaluated and determined by thinking people. Anyone who simply tells you what is morally correct, even if they CLAIM to be speaking for a "higher power", without giving you reasoning you can evaluate for yourself is deluding you and probably themselves. This country's forefathers believed to the man that everyone should have their own relationship with God and stay the hell away from each others'. If you want a god, fine, but this is NOT a country with "Judeo-Christian" roots. This is a country with Deist roots. Deism states, essentially, God created the Universe, then he let it go and now it's up to us to sort it out for ourselves. This is a government of, for, and by the people, we're the ones with the power. 2: As has been pointed out, if you actually READ the Koran and, heaven forbid, the bible, it's pretty easy to see that one religion isn't much better than the other. Both feature God's commanding people to do stupid, inhuman things, quickly followed by Gods telling people to forgive everyone of everything and live in peace. As usual, the difference is what people choose to obey. It seems to me that the reason many Islamic countries are so fundamentalist and the reason European, prominently Christian countries no longer are is that Islamic countries are FUCKING POOR. Look at Africa as a whole, look at South America, and look at East Asia. These are, to varying degrees, "developing" regions with enormous crime rates, terrorism, drug trade, dictators, kidnappings, and a certian amount of chaos. What else? They don't have, in large part, the favorable natural resources of America and the West, and America and the West seriously fucked them up with colonial invasion in the last two or three centuries. It doesn't take a genius to see these facts are connected. When people are poor, when they are oppressed, they turn to religion, they turn to their leaders, and they look for scapegoats. Violence results, it's just human nature, and if anyone thinks we're inherently better, it's not true. We've been luckier, and that's lead to a better society. A thousand years ago, Islam was more advanced than us, and in a thousand years, if any of our religions or societies still exist, it may be again. 3: Europe-bashing is ridiculous and juvenile. It has its problems, so does America. Europe is becoming more Islamic, yes. This may cause some growing pains, but it isn't an inherently bad thing. If anything, because having more Westernized (i.e. more prosperous, more secular, better educated) Muslims is a great way to contradict radicalism among poor Muslim nations. Warfare can eradicate and it can subjugate, but it does little to change people's minds, it only polarizes them. Moderating people is done with a force more powerful than smart bombs and fighter jets: money. And yes, Europe has some serious issues that stem from not having a first ammendment, and people in Europe should be very careful of that. However, equating those issues with liberalism in America is ridiculous. Almost every credible threat to freedom of speech, press, and religion in the US comes from the right (Joe Lieberman aside). Now, I don't blame true conservatives for that, Libertarians are, in my view, slightly misguided, but morally spot-on. But the Republican party as it currently exists is a pox on the very idea of conservativism. It tramples personal and states' rights with equal enthusiasm and wraps it in the mantra of "national defense." 4: The LEFT is moved by emotion, not reason? No, no, no. Emotion, gut instinct, and tribalism are the hallmarks of the current neoconservative machine. They've been winning because they make people FEEL secure, even as they globally humiliate our intelligence network and deny qualified translators due to homosexuality, they make people FEEL afraid of gay marriage, despite the fact any rational assessment of the issues reveals it makes no difference to anyone who isn't gay, and they make people FEEL good about their country even when we shame our soldiers and ourselves by justifying torture and clearing high-ranking officials of all blame, then they make you FEEL persecuted by a liberal elite, a liberal media. They deal in emotion, that's wy they do well. People are ruled by emotion, not by reason. 5: What makes a country great is the same as what makes a person great, first having great values and second living up to them. I think almost everyone in America, and many people abroad, can agree America's values are great. This is the first nation that was born, started from scratch, after and during the Enlightenment. The problem is with living up to those values, and the problem with nationalists, primarily on the right, is that they don't seem to think you need to live up to them. If the country does well, the values do well, regardless of the damage the country is doing to those values. That's a scary idea. It's, by nature, a religious idea. It's the exact same idea that Muslim extremists have, that because you are fighting for the right you don't have to fight the right way. 6: I'm not technically American, but I've been here since I was 2 years old. I'm not someone who derives self esteem from my association with the country, because no one chooses where they were born. But I think a Captain America could and should kick the ass of anyone who sees it, in this country or abroad, by tackling exactly these issues. Don't make Cap a peace-lovin' beatnik or anything, I'm not asking for that. But make a movie about a man who loves what his country stands for and can't bear to see it debase itself in politics and fear and you will have the most significant superhero movie ever made. At least until Watchmen comes out.

  • April 28, 2005, 4:50 p.m. CST

    you clearly think more muslims are a bad thing

    by Itwasreallyfar

    you called them islamonutters hardly a positive name for them.

  • April 28, 2005, 4:52 p.m. CST

    DocPazuzu

    by Shan

    One of the most decorated military units of the US Army consisted of ethnic Japanese who fought against the Germans and Italians in Europe, which more or less re-inforces your earlier point since I think a lot signed up after Pearl Harbor, even with relatives in detention for being ... well of Japanese descent I guess.

  • April 28, 2005, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Don't bother, Itwasreallyfar...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...he's a total loser. What it boils down to is his hatred and fear of ALL Muslims, not the bogus threat of some sort of islamist neo-Califate being founded in Europe. That's only what he's hiding behind. If he were truly concerned with religious fundamentalism he would be warning of the zealous, fundamentalist Christian movements gaining momentum in several developing nations, which according to many experts might supercede militant islamism within the next 20-30 years as the world's most intolerant theocrats. There were big articles about it in The New Republic and/or Atlantic Monthly (among other places) a couple of years ago.

  • April 28, 2005, 4:54 p.m. CST

    I was referring to Muslim extremists as Islamonutters....

    by bigdickmcgee

    By the way, good move on allowing the Saudis to fund all the mosques in Europe. That'll make moderates out of 'em.

  • April 28, 2005, 4:56 p.m. CST

    that's right, talk to yourselves; re-enforce each other's delusi

    by bigdickmcgee

  • April 28, 2005, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Shan

    by DocPazuzu

    Yep, the Nissei regiment. And they were THE most decorated unit. Even while their families were being interned at Manzanar, they fought for America with at least as much courage and ferocity as their non-Japanese countrymen.

  • April 28, 2005, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Z_B_Brox

    by Itwasreallyfar

    I will very very happily shut the hell up after that. You said it much much better than me (i get far too ate up in getting a quick response) I'm sure people will slate you but I KNOW you don't give a fuck As i know your right. Much respect my friend.

  • April 28, 2005, 4:56 p.m. CST

    The Point being ...

    by Shan

    ... that people who grew up in the US under its ideals will fight for the US and even against people who share their ethnicity and common origin. Have been doing it for a long time and will do so for a long time in the future, most likely ...

  • April 28, 2005, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Man, I hope the Christians don't get the bomb.

    by bigdickmcgee

  • April 28, 2005, 4:58 p.m. CST

    "You are here EVERY FUCKING DAY!!!!"

    by DocPazuzu

    Now how would you know that, unless...

  • April 28, 2005, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Yes, most decorated ...

    by Shan

    ... that's how I remembered it before I posted but I wasn't completely sure my memory was correct and I didn't want to get the point lost in an argument about their being "one of the most" as opposed to "the most" when I wasn't absolutely sure.

  • April 28, 2005, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Brox, I couldn't read your entire post (it was longer than Unabr

    by bigdickmcgee

    Let me say that the belief that all cultures are equally good, none is better than any other; we're all the product of our upbringing anyway....you can test this theory - by moving to Pakistan, Iran or Saudi Arabia, and enjoying all the rights and freedoms you enjoy here.

  • April 28, 2005, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Haha!

    by Right Bastard

    What the hell are "Blame America First" people? Who is blaming anyone? Questioning and descent from authority is American. Acquiescence is consciously wearing blinders. What's the matter, can't take the truth about what your government is up to with your tax dollars, tough guys?

  • April 28, 2005, 5:01 p.m. CST

    The Muslims conquered Spain once ...

    by Shan

    ... or more correctly people who were Muslims conquered Spain. It didn't turn into a rabid fundamentalist backwater after they left now, did it? It took Franco to help do that.

  • April 28, 2005, 5:02 p.m. CST

    I think it should be called Captain America: Iraq Attack, with H

    by prevert

    "We'll beat them with our shoes, brother!"

  • April 28, 2005, 5:06 p.m. CST

    I check the site every day 'cause I work in the biz....but you,

    by bigdickmcgee

    Eurowelfare must be awesome.

  • April 28, 2005, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Brox, I couldn't read your entire post ...

    by Itwasreallyfar

    That is really all we needed tp hear.

  • April 28, 2005, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Eight Legged Freaks.

    by Shan

    I heard this was originally called Arac Attack but they thought people would think it was called "Iraq Attack". If this is true, shows you what they thought about the target audience ...

  • April 28, 2005, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Z_B_Brox

    by DocPazuzu

    An eloquent, level-headed and sensible post. Thanks. As an American currently living in Europe I've seen both the pros and cons on both sides of the Atlantic, and as a consequence, my tolerance for narrow-minded troglodytes on both shores - not to mention extremists on both ends of the political scale - has dwindled to zero. The absence of nuance in so many people who live in modern, enlightened, civilized democracies boggles the mind.

  • April 28, 2005, 5:12 p.m. CST

    "but you, dude, POST every day"

    by DocPazuzu

    Not true, and easily checked for lamos with as much time on their hands as you seem to have. "In the biz..." Yeah, right...

  • April 28, 2005, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Bin Poozle...you're not an intellectual. You're a poser.

    by bigdickmcgee

    When handed evidence, you threw a hissy fit. Don't try to pretend like you're a rennaissance man. You're a whiny, left-wing baby.

  • April 28, 2005, 5:14 p.m. CST

    I guess you think being "in the biz" is some huge achievement.

    by bigdickmcgee

  • April 28, 2005, 5:18 p.m. CST

    bigdick

    by Itwasreallyfar

    your not anything of any consequence, lets remember this is probably the most challenging debate bigdick has ever been in So he's doing quite well for that Heck he probably just spends his time drinking beer watching american gladiators and wanking over the olsen twins (well we have one thing in common)

  • April 28, 2005, 5:20 p.m. CST

    "you threw a hissy fit"

    by DocPazuzu

    Project much, bigdick?

  • April 28, 2005, 5:20 p.m. CST

    yup, you got me, Europussy...

    by bigdickmcgee

    Drink beer (I don't drink), watch American Gladiators (didn't that show go off in 1992?) and wank over the Olsen Twins (yeah, I love under-aged anorexics). How did you know??

  • April 28, 2005, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Hey bigdick

    by DocPazuzu

    Why do you insist on calling me a lefty, by the way? Is it too much for your brain to handle that a non-lefty actually thinks you're a malignant moron?

  • ... and some really good and sensible debate is now degenerating into a slanging match.

  • April 28, 2005, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Fear

    by Itwasreallyfar

    Ok over in blighty we have a documentarian called Adam Curtis he has recently,presented a documentary called "The power of nightmares" Now the main idea of this was a theory which stated that both the Neocons and the Extremist Muslims have a vested interest in keeping the majority of the worl in a state of fear. Why? Because in a world where we are all frightened we are all much more malleable much more likely to allow massive infringements on our human rights (The Patriot act for instance) Now for the Islamic terrorist the benefits are power, money and commodities these are exactly the same benefits that the Current Uk and Us governments have. If anyone wants to step back a little and compare the current fear and hate of muslims to the fear and hate surrounding russians and commies during the cold war, we start to understand this original theory. Now im not saying that some muslims are terrorist, but I am saying that being Muslim does not make you a terrorist anymore then being a Christian makes you the kind of person who will kill abortion clinis workers or blow up a building in Oaklahoma.

  • April 28, 2005, 5:29 p.m. CST

    OOOh, malignant moron. Did you get that Michael Moore's website

    by bigdickmcgee

    As long as we're exchnaging complements - you're an ignorant shit-for-brains retard. It's dumbasses like you that make all these geopolitical conflicts hard. Pseudo-intellectual doushe bags, too many in number, who stretch things out until it's too late. Oh, and you're so fucking to the left, you're now on the right. I asked you a simple question. You couldn't respond except with bile. Because you're an ignorant cretin who knows no other way. So I'll give you what you know. You're a useless assclown.

  • April 28, 2005, 5:31 p.m. CST

    As I was watching that BBC corckumentary, I was thinking out lou

    by bigdickmcgee

    Who the fuck is this shit for? I have my answer.

  • April 28, 2005, 5:34 p.m. CST

    what the hell is a corckumentary?

    by Itwasreallyfar

    and i have no doubt you thought "what the fuck is this shit for" you really dont seem intelligent enough to comprehend it.

  • April 28, 2005, 5:37 p.m. CST

    At least I'm intelligent enough to use punctuation.

    by bigdickmcgee

  • April 28, 2005, 5:37 p.m. CST

    "It's dumbasses like you that make all these geopolitical confli

    by DocPazuzu

    I rest my case.

  • April 28, 2005, 5:38 p.m. CST

    well...

    by Itwasreallyfar

    hey this was fun, pricking crazy ass racist into arguments that prove them as irrational deeply fearful sad people is always both entertaining and life affirming, enjoy your debate folks, but im off to do what any sensible englishman shoud do, have a quick jay and do some real work lol

  • April 28, 2005, 5:38 p.m. CST

    "I rest my case"

    by bigdickmcgee

    Thank God.

  • April 28, 2005, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Yes, all sensible englishmen go to work around midnight.

    by bigdickmcgee

    You're English??? Sweet Herbert Christ! English is your first language??? Kudos on calling me a racist. I never mentioned anyone's race. Islam is not a race, it's an ideology. Geniuses like you should know the difference.

  • April 28, 2005, 5:45 p.m. CST

    just to confirm im norwegian

    by Itwasreallyfar

    english is my second language, and work for me is my dissertaion

  • April 28, 2005, 5:47 p.m. CST

    If you're Norwegian, stay away from the Vodka. You guys are ser

    by bigdickmcgee

  • April 28, 2005, 5:50 p.m. CST

    and thanks for mentioning the dissertation...for the 800th time.

    by bigdickmcgee

  • April 28, 2005, 6:08 p.m. CST

    "Islam is not a race, it's an ideology"

    by Right Bastard

    You're right. You're not a racist. You're a bigot :)

  • April 28, 2005, 6:09 p.m. CST

    "If you're Norwegian, stay away from the Vodka. You guys are ser

    by DocPazuzu

    Every time you open your mouth you show more and more how ignorant and prejudiced you are.

  • April 28, 2005, 6:10 p.m. CST

    and you're a moron -

    by bigdickmcgee

  • April 28, 2005, 6:11 p.m. CST

    that's all you lefters have in your arsenal...

    by bigdickmcgee

    "You're a bigot, you're a racist...blah blah"....You got nothing else. And you can't take a joke.

  • April 28, 2005, 6:13 p.m. CST

    dog's poozle

    by bigdickmcgee

    I think you're addicted to the talkbacks.....it's a serious problem. Therapy is required.

  • April 28, 2005, 6:15 p.m. CST

    I agree... BigDick wins

    by BurlIvesLeftNut

    He presented his arguments in a much more thoughtful manner. The name calling this debate was resulted in is lame. Pazuzu and the other moron are two of the most annoying fucks around. It's amazing that BigDick was just presenting some facts about Europe looking for a thoughtful response, and all he gets is flamed. Makes no fucking sense.

  • April 28, 2005, 6:17 p.m. CST

    The reason I got flamed is because I distubed the Left's magical

    by bigdickmcgee

    That's like spitting on Jesus.

  • April 28, 2005, 6:17 p.m. CST

    no, I'm just a Bastard...

    by Right Bastard

    ...who happens to be correct. So put your little dick away, mcgee. I'm not interested in your use of anger to compensate for your insecurities. I can't wait to see what's next. Will you tell me to "Fuck off"? Or maybe you'll threaten me...on an internet chat board? Your level of discourse has been astounding. Go back to sleep. Believe in your government. Bend over and take it how you like it.

  • April 28, 2005, 6:19 p.m. CST

    though this is a HUGE waste of time (arguing with fucktards), it

    by bigdickmcgee

  • April 28, 2005, 6:22 p.m. CST

    oh, and dumb Bastard, you still haven't been able to answer a si

    by bigdickmcgee

    Questions to a lefty is like red to a bull. You ask one, he assumes you're trying to piss him off by interfering with his worldview. Then he creates a fantasy in his head. Yeah, I'll be outside your house stalking you. 'Cause that's what I do. Don't worry, sweetheart, no one's going to threaten you. You'll be safe in your little bed. I promise.

  • April 28, 2005, 6:32 p.m. CST

    "The name calling this debate was resulted in is lame."

    by DocPazuzu

    I invite you to go back and see just who lost it first.

  • April 28, 2005, 6:38 p.m. CST

    It was you, Doc - that's what you do on these talkbacks.

    by bigdickmcgee

    It's your therapy. I see you ALL OVER THE TALKBACKS, flaming out other people over anything and everything. I can understand doing it once in a while, but all day, every day. That's pathological. You are one angry liberal.

  • April 28, 2005, 6:39 p.m. CST

    I don't have too Pazuzu...

    by BurlIvesLeftNut

    Since you and the other moron double teamed, the weight of the blames lays with both of you. The amazing thing to me, is that both of you came across as more ignorant than BigDick... seriously. He was just inquiring and then, for some reason, you got all offended by his statistics. So who's the ignorant one? The guy who is inquiring about a societal change? Or the ones who are TOTALLY OFFENDED by the very idea of it? Sounds like you guys are the ignorant bigots.

  • April 28, 2005, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Short follow-up

    by Z_B_Brox

    Hey. Thanks for the kind words guys, though it's a shame how the debate devolved after I came home from work. Not that it had a whole lot of devolving to do from the guy trying to justify the mass murder of 850 million people whose only crime was that they shared a religion and country with a few psychotics. Don't we all? Anyway, BigDick: I never claimed all cultures are equal, that's a pretty outrageous belief. Cultures are like organisms, they evolve differently and they all have their strengths and weaknesses, and, when it comes down to it, some are stronger than others. I said flat out Western culture as a generality is by and large superior to Middle Eastern culture as a generality. I'll take values of free speech and self-governance of religious conviction any day. However, there are three reasons that, I believe, it's ridiculous to simply declare a cultural superiority and say to hell with the opposition. First, whatever problems a culture has, it's very hard to find a culture that doesn't have something to offer. Religious extremism is one of my mosty despised phenomena, but devout faith has created some of the most staggering works of art in history. The important things that Islam and the Middle East have given to the world are innumberable and invaluable, from navigational tools to the button. And however strongly you may feel about your own culture, it's not perfect. Cultures range in strength, but they all need to be worked on, condemning one is flatly hypocritical. Second, cultures develop. They change over time, and sometimes very suddenly. It will almost always be a smarter move to try and get in and help a changing culture along than to abandon it or attack it. Embrace the aspects that are positive, let the aspects that are negative fall away. That's what moderate Christians have done and still do with their religion, and it's what can and should be done with Islam. The transformation of Japan from a strongly anti-Western feudal state with ambitions of empire into a pacifist pinnacle of technology with nigh-unbreakable ties to the US and the West in a period of only a few decades serves as a great success story. I'm not saying the situations are equitable, because they're not, but we see the possibilities of engagement over invasion. More importantly, because cultures change, you need to absolutely make sure your culture is not changing for the worse as you wrestle with another. Finally, there is the issue of practicality. Eradicating a culture is, let's face it, difficult. As I alluded to in my first post, war against 15% or so of the world's population is just plain hard, and it tends to polarize the opposition. It creates more extremism and gives the extremists a reason to suffocate the moderates (as has happened to a great degree in the US since 9/11). When you are attacked, you fight back. Engagement is flat-out more effective.

  • April 28, 2005, 6:43 p.m. CST

    facts and figures

    by Itwasreallyfar

    mcgee lost it first he took a hell of along time to start coming up with statistics. I said to him i dont really care if there are more muslims in europe. Id like to know what mcgee thinks about more muslims in america, as there is ALOT of immigration to your country from muslim counties

  • April 28, 2005, 6:43 p.m. CST

    my original question stands...

    by bigdickmcgee

    Now, that we're not debating whether or not Europe's Muslim population will rise hugely in the 21st Century to become the majority. I still would like to know (without being accused of being a bigot for asking the question) what Euros of any religion think about it. But your hostility to the question speaks volumes. It's like you can't even handle it. It's like I asked you why your mother is an Aids ridden whore. It's a simple question. And I invite all to give a cogent opinion irregardless of religion. I don't think there's anything more to say...

  • April 28, 2005, 6:46 p.m. CST

    i have answered you 3 times now

    by Itwasreallyfar

  • April 28, 2005, 6:48 p.m. CST

    dude, I know this may be hard...but there's other people on this

    by bigdickmcgee

    I get your answer: what's the big deal? who cares? Got it.

  • April 28, 2005, 6:49 p.m. CST

    i have asked u a question,also i believe im the only european re

    by Itwasreallyfar

  • April 28, 2005, 6:49 p.m. CST

    and by the way..shouldn't you be working on your...drum roll ple

    by bigdickmcgee

  • April 28, 2005, 6:51 p.m. CST

    ive mentioned once, to show i do have knowledge of the subject,

    by Itwasreallyfar

  • April 28, 2005, 6:51 p.m. CST

    A very short response:

    by Z_B_Brox

    McGee: I'm vaguely European, though I haven't been there for more than a month at a time since I was two, my family is all British and I've grown up with something of that sensibility, I think. While I think the inevitable loss of certain aspects of the European culture is sad, things are always changing and fighting it is useless. In the long run, I think a significant Muslim minority in Europe will do more to promote peace between the Middle East and the West than any war we could wage, so I'm not unhappy about it.

  • April 28, 2005, 6:52 p.m. CST

    I'm sorry, but I have NO idea what you're talking about.

    by bigdickmcgee

  • April 28, 2005, 6:54 p.m. CST

    thanks, Brox

    by bigdickmcgee

    That's a rather rosy scenario.

  • April 28, 2005, 6:55 p.m. CST

    mcgee

    by Itwasreallyfar

    How do you feel about spanish becoming the most spoken language of the USA, it will be by 2015 if the current rate stays as it is. Don't feign ignorance either please.

  • April 28, 2005, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Since 99% of the population speaks English and about 10-12% spea

    by bigdickmcgee

    How do you feel about Arabic becoming the most common language in Spain?

  • April 28, 2005, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Was that directed to me?

    by Z_B_Brox

    If so, then I ask: You genuinely don't see how having a significant moderate Muslim influence in the West will improve Euro-Islam relations? Traditionally, all truces and alliances between nations, tribes, and families have been best secured by marriage. Family bonds tie us together despite our differences. A signficant Muslim population in Europe means more families will be bridging the cultural divide. This will inevitably bleed over into the Middle East, causing more moderate views of Europe and presenting Europe as a land of opportunity rather than an enemy, while a growing Muslim minority would temper European attitudes toward Islam. The only real danger is that the racial and religious tension in Europe would do more harm than good.

  • April 28, 2005, 7:01 p.m. CST

    im using the same logis you emplyed for the question about the m

    by Itwasreallyfar

    it actually will be the most spoken language it already is in california, so what would you think to that, and what do you think about europe becoming more muslim??

  • April 28, 2005, 7:01 p.m. CST

    itwasreallydumb... minor point.

    by BurlIvesLeftNut

    BigDick gave you statistics about 23 minutes after you asked for them. Should he have delivered those statistics with a rim job? Go fuck yourself, you stupid stupid cunt.

  • April 28, 2005, 7:04 p.m. CST

    ooooh touchy indeed lol

    by Itwasreallyfar

    now come on we have gone way past the name calling, im truly debating sensibly now so i'd appreciate if you could do the same.The first stat did not give a source, anyone can make stats up 83% are made up on the spot lol You have taken a rather large dislike to me Burl...why is that?

  • April 28, 2005, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Brox

    by bigdickmcgee

    I have Muslims friends (I'll bet the Lefters are shocked). I've had Muslim girlfriends. My friends are Sufis, the peacenik muslims (or they're secular). They're cool. However, they are in the minority; a small minority. European Muslims have several obstacles. First, most of the young men (millions of them illegals) have no skills, no education, and can't do anything but menial labor. Europe is a massively startified society anyway, and it treats all the lower classes, especially the Muslims, as household help. Many of these guys simply have no future; and they're pissed off. Enter the Saudi Imams. 90% of Europes mosques (or some such figure) and funded and controlled by the Wahhabbis. Every day they teach millions of young men to despise the west; and that they will be delivered from their travails only through Islam (THEIR Islam). It is now extremely popular for young Europena Muslim men to download Jihad beheading videos on their cell phones, to enjoy with their friends. If you believe this will all eventually lead to peace, love and understanding...all I can say is, I hope you're right and I'm wrong. But I fear that I'm right and you're wrong.

  • April 28, 2005, 7:09 p.m. CST

    I lived in California...nice whether....everyone speaks Spanish

    by bigdickmcgee

    It's not a language thing.

  • April 28, 2005, 7:09 p.m. CST

    I mean "weather"

    by bigdickmcgee

  • April 28, 2005, 7:10 p.m. CST

    in the uk the mosques are not funded entirely by the saudi's

    by Itwasreallyfar

    in the uk the uk muslims fund themselves, now many young muslim men are treated with suspicion by so many here, heate and fear will feed the new extremists, we need to embrace these new migrants. Why do you think many are uneducated? because of the west constant pillaging of their countries resources. We in europe and you in USA must take responsibility for many of the problems in the muslim countries.

  • April 28, 2005, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Fair point:

    by Z_B_Brox

    As I said, the only thing we have to fear is European racial tension. This is the same kind of situation that leads to riots in LA and dark predictions of race wars in the U.S. The people in power feeling threatened by and superior to the growing minority presence, who are traditionally ghettoized, undereducated, and economically, well, fucked, undoes all the positivity that can be created by the comingling of cultures. And this is exactly why we need to fix our problems at home before we invade other nations. If Abu Ghraib had been full of, say, the Irish, the Italians, or one of the other ethnic groups that came to the United States and was initially feared and discirminated against, but has now essentially made it good and blended into society, do you think we would have seen the same kind of atrocity? The more "other" and alien people seem, the less we're willing to extend them a little humanity. Assimilation instead of stratification is a key.

  • April 28, 2005, 7:14 p.m. CST

    your ignoring the questions

    by Itwasreallyfar

    burying your head in the sand till i go away, so be it live your lies and be happy im sure the nice neocons who are robbing your freedom will give you nice tax break when they are done

  • April 28, 2005, 7:14 p.m. CST

    So, it's all our fault

    by bigdickmcgee

    The reason they are uneducate is because I've been pillaging their resources. Got it. I don't know if you've filled up a gas tank lately (that's Petrol to you), but it seems like they're pillaging MY resources. As far as us being responsible for "problems" in Muslim countries, you'll have to list these problems, and how we create them directly. I wonder, do you think these people bear ANY responsibility at all for their plight. Or is it all your fault.

  • April 28, 2005, 7:16 p.m. CST

    itwasreallydumb

    by bigdickmcgee

    Didn't take you long to fall back into your fundamentalist religion, did it?

  • April 28, 2005, 7:18 p.m. CST

    small balls

    by bigdickmcgee

    There you go again, drinking and pretending that you're straight

  • April 28, 2005, 7:25 p.m. CST

    "you got all offended by his statistics."

    by DocPazuzu

    No, I asked him for the longest time where he got his numbers, before he finally answered. I engaged him in a sensible debate until he lost it and it degenerated. But, since you're one of those assholes who attaches more importance to HOW something is said rather than WHAT is being said, you can fuck right off, Burl.

  • April 28, 2005, 7:25 p.m. CST

    hey, remember when Mexicans bombed that train in Utah?

    by bigdickmcgee

  • April 28, 2005, 7:27 p.m. CST

    As I said before in The Island Talkback: I WANT MICHAEL BAY TO M

    by Noriko Takaya

    No I am not joking, stupid or high - The Ultimates is THE PERFECT showcase for Cap and, to paraphrase Goldwater, "In Your Heart You Know I'm Right!" ^_^ Give M to the B "The Ultimates" + a $200 million dollar budget and he will create a sci-fi/superhero/action masterpiece that will make the world forget Star Wars ever existed! He can steal explosions from the first Authority trade paperback "Relentless" only make them even more EXPLODY!! Think of it: Freddie Prinze Jr. dating Betty Ross! Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury! Titanic battles with the Hulk in NYC! Monster CGI Helicariers that would make any Navy and Air Force types in the audience sport wood! This thing is tailor *made* for him - as long as someone is there to chain him to a good script. Perhaps Dean Devlin or maybe even Roland Emmerich could write it. Aw hell yeah, Bay and Emmerich all up in this bitch would flat RULE. By the Sacred Atomic Chicken of Epsilon IV, PLEASE let it be so! Oh and finally, will all of the assclown bigots on this site please pretty please stick your heads in a grinder? Starving people could use the meat. Thanks and Toppu o Nerae!

  • April 28, 2005, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Who would have though

    by TonyWilson

    Wow, who would have though an article about Captain America would cause so much upset. I think the lot of you could do with calming down a bit. So far only Brox seems to be taking a sensible stance here. Bigdick you make a good argument but you do seem biggoted, and who the hell is the Heyvosal character (apologoes if its spelt wrong) Im a Brit although I am in the States right now. I would say that is is very very unlikely that muslims will be in a majority in western europe in 100 years time. Hopefully by then there wont be such a need for people to flee there countries from oppression. Um i believe someone mentioned Oil prices, but we all know the Oil conglomerates are owned by Multi Billionaires not the average Iraqi or Afghani. I think this is still a but crazy for a Captain America tb though i was just going to say it should definitely be Brad Pitt he would guarantee a bigger budget and he has the intelligence to go with a good script (imo)

  • April 28, 2005, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Yag Era Slarebil

    by TonyWilson

    My my what a well thought out entirely accurate, fair and sensible post. How old are you? Do you actually have an interest in politics or do you just like insulting people, to make yourself feel better?

  • April 28, 2005, 8:14 p.m. CST

    'The Ultimates'

    by vhsiv

    If they're going to do this, they oughtta just do 'The Ultimates'. Nobody wants to see any more Hitler memes - that stuff has been played-out ever since Hogan's Heroes went off the air back in '71.***************************** While they're at it, Marvel should leave Ari Arad, Mark Steven Johnson and David S. Goyer at home. Frank Miller, Robert Rodriguez, Mike Mignola and Guillermo del Toro have proven that comic-book writers have the chops to write a script. Leave the Hollywood 'experts' behind and make films that have some tooth, novelty and excitement.********************** Warren Ellis' 'Global Frequency' would have been a break-out hit in the age of '24' and post-cyberpunk, but Warner Bros. and its spineles pursuit of a broken 18-36 demographic put the nix on that. Let the original creators do more of the creating, and stop stuffing 20-something actors into neoprene suits to do wire-fu. It was tired after the Wachowskis failed to deliver the 3rd chapter of the Matrix trilogy and it's still tired now.****************************************Hollywood has already ruined 2 of Alan Moore's creations, 3 of Frank Miller's and half a Bendis. These guys are the BEST writers in the business, who make the publishers the millions of dollars they need to stay in business. But does Hollyweird let any of these guys and gals near a feature-length script that doesn't have 'comic book' across the top of the page? No. And there lies one of the biggest waste of entertainment resources in the industry. Garth Ennis and Neil Gaiman have proven their worth, time and time again, giving birth to whole movie franchises - but where is their staying power? Probably the same place that J. Michael Straczynski's fled to, after WB denied him his************************************* 'Blade', the first one, was the only good Goyer film, probably because he was still writing comics back then. If Ellis or Bendis or Grant Morrison were given free reign to write a script, it would break as wide as the first 'Matrix' as these guys have to be solid and dependable from month-to-month, not at two year intervals.******************************** So, Gail Berman, if you're going to be signing any checks off to Marvel, make sure that they've got something to sell, and take a Joss Whedon kind of risk: Make sure that the creators are at the wheel of the productions, and not the Albert Pyuns, the Mark Steven Johnsons and the Avi Arads.********************************** I hear that even David Mamet is a Bendis fan - THAT might be a way to go - and 'Goldfish' has yet to be made. In fact, I think that Miramax's option on the script may have expired during the recent turnover...

  • April 28, 2005, 8:20 p.m. CST

    'The Ultimates' (cont'd)

    by vhsiv

    Cut off. Damn Return button.********************************** bUt after JMS B5 movie was chopped out from under him, he went back to the comics, where he is, even now getting ready to launch the latest chapter in 'Fantastic Four' history. Sadly, sadly, I think that Jessica Alba is going to undercut whatever mass-market success that film COULD have had. Marg Helgenber should have been Sue Storm at the 35-40 age that she currently is, and not the barely post-teen that the non-blonde Alba currently is.

  • April 28, 2005, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Hang on a minute.

    by TonyWilson

    Where on earth have I said im a radical? Or even left wing? You sound like a kid who's read a bit of this and a bit of that decided you hated gays and that you could justify by talking about God and the bible You are the only person to have mentioned gays in this whole flipping talk back. Why even bring that up. I really think your dwelling on them a little bit too much to be healthy. I see you talk about being Anti-God, well which God do you mean?? I think you actually mean Anti you particualrly isolationist view points that you attempt to justify through religion. You really need to mature a little. No one either liberal or conservative is going to listen to you talking like that and take you seriously.

  • April 28, 2005, 8:49 p.m. CST

    by Obscura

    this sounds like a complex debate that im not gonna get involved in cos im new... so im just gonna mention that actual news item. Do we actually want paramount in charge of so much of the marvel universe? fox, sony and universal have done a great job so far with the big titles, why now do paramount get to pick up the rest? i want BIG cross over movies! and now it just isnt gonna happen. i was pissed off enough when ben urich in daredevil was working for the post and not the bugle.... why, this news may just kill me. or not.

  • April 28, 2005, 9:24 p.m. CST

    All the facts you need about the worlf for the next 10 years

    by eclipsedman

    http://www.cia.gov/nic/NIC_globaltrend2015.html

  • April 28, 2005, 9:29 p.m. CST

    This was a good thread

    by cookylamoo

    Until the Crusades started.

  • April 28, 2005, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Holy Crap.

    by Z_B_Brox

    ForeverTJ, you're actually making the guy who advocated genocide look good here. Scary, but kind of impressive. Look, I don't mean to sound condescending here, but do you know what you sound like? You're embarassing everyone who might agree with you. This is like when a liberal calls all Republicans racist hicks. It's not true, funny, or productive, it's just painfully stupid. I don't want to insult you, I don't give a damn if you insult me, I just want to see you say something about your position that's coherent, reasoned, factual. Everyone else here, no matter how crazy I thought what they were saying was, no matter how stupidly insulting a lot of what they said was, they at least showed the ability to take facts, process them, and reach a conclusion. You're just not doing that, you're spewing in the nastiest sense of the word. Again, I'm not looking to be condescending or superior, I just don't know how else to respond to this. Prove me wrong, man, please. Seriously, tell me why you feel the way you do about "faggots" and "camel fuckers", I'd like to hear what your reasons are. I'd like to know that there ARE reasons, because the alternative is just depressing.

  • April 28, 2005, 10:23 p.m. CST

    ATTENTION

    by IRuleAll

    Can we have everyone who ever brings up politics and/or religion on a nerd site banned for good. Righties like bigdickmcgee and lefties like itwasreallyfar. I'm sick of this shit. You're all idiots. Prove me wrong you childish motherfuckers.

  • April 28, 2005, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Dr. Strange

    by kriegaffe

    Please god let one of them be Dr. Strange... and let it be a drug induced psychotronic mind altering brain fuck... Silver Surfer wouldn't be bad either if they did it on a super big cosmic scale

  • April 28, 2005, 11:06 p.m. CST

    Once AGAIN, Harry: IT'S TIME FOR A SLASHDOT STYLE INTERFACE FOR

    by Noriko Takaya

    - where posts are scored by their relevance to the topic at hand. This means in practice that on-topic posts are moderated upwards (for example: +1, +2, +3) while off-topic posts are moderated down (-1, -2, -3). No one ever gets banned and people can post whatever they want, but since users may set their own personal preferences they can arrange it so that they never see the flame wars, trolls and other such nonsense. Anyone who wants to see botched labotomy victims like ForeverTJ can just set their pref's to 0 or -1! This is actually a better solution than banning the retards, because in the latter case they'll just get a new login and come back. At least THINK ABOUT IT, willya?! Toppu o Nerae!

  • April 28, 2005, 11:07 p.m. CST

    kriegaffe is so right

    by Hervoyel

    Doctor Strange would be a good one. I'm surprised this went on so long though. That's a lot of posts to read and it doesn't look like anyone even so much as budged an inch on what they think. I have to admit though I like ForeverTJ's style.

  • April 28, 2005, 11:39 p.m. CST

    sources? ha!... anyone still around?

    by BurlIvesLeftNut

    Pazuzu, thanks for telling me to fuck off. It felt really good and nasty... and wet. I am glad you have been so concerned about BigDick's sources, since YOUR only source is your personal perspective. And Itwasreallylamedumbannoying, I don't have anything against you other than in this particular thread, you have been acting like a total douche. For the record, I have absolutely NO vested interest in this debate. I just wanted to read some news about Captain America, but you guys were being so ridiculously lopsided in your discussion with BigDick, I felt I should say something. Truthfully though, why would you care what I think?

  • April 28, 2005, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Comparative Religion 101:

    by Z_B_Brox

    Thanks for the effort, I appreciate it, and that is no iront. However, just for an example, ForeverTJ, here are some things from the Bible: Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. (I Corinthians, 14:34) If a man [meets] a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her ... He must marry the girl ... He can never divorce her as long as he lives. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29) If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son ... Then shall his father and his mother ... bring him out unto the elders of his city ... And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. (Deuteronomy 21:18-21) ... thou shalt take an [awl], and thrust it through his ear..., and he shall be thy servant for ever. (Deuteronomy 15:17) [from Jesus] Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother... (Matthew 10:34-35) Jephthah made a vow to the Lord: "If you give the Ammonites into my hands, whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return ... will be the Lord's, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering." ... and the Lord gave them into his hands.... When Jephthah returned to his home..., who should come out to meet him but his daughter, dancing to the sound of tambourines! And he did to her as he had vowed. And she was a virgin. (Judges 11:30-32, 34, 39) In other words, my friend, every religion has some really nutty shit in it. Like I said, it's what people choose to obey that matters, and the vast majority of Muslims DON'T go around blowing things up, whatveer you may think. There's 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. If even one in every TEN THOUSAND of them was a suicide bomber, they would have an army of terrorists larger than the entire US force in Iraq and we would all be fucked. So, y'know, I think your perception of the Muslim religion is a little skewed.

  • April 29, 2005, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Well, I just sent copies of ForeverShitPie's pungent spewings of

    by Noriko Takaya

    so we'll see if their stated Hate Speech policy actually *means* anything, eh? Still, as I said before: a Slashdot-style interface really is the best way to handle troll infestations such as this! Were this /. vikingkitty, TJ and the other dorks would have been modded down to "-100, Wanker" by now and no one would have to see them who didn't want to. Seriously Harry, since you seem to be in the process of remaking this site anyway, give it a shot, at least on a test basis. I believe the necessary code is at Sourceforge. Toppu o Nerae!

  • April 29, 2005, 12:13 a.m. CST

    These are the guys linked to WATCHMEN, right?

    by Ribbons

    With all the controversy that's been surrounding the integrity of that shoot, why the fuck would you want to give away all those properties, especially when one of them is arguably the center of the entire Marvel U? Guess the money must have been good.

  • April 29, 2005, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Not sure if anyone pointed this out.

    by JUSTICE41

    The reason that there is fear over the population in Europe becoming more Muslim is not only will Muslims be in the government but they will start to litter the cities with those Mosques and will have the five or four calls to prayer being broadcast all over the cities. Another thing is that Muslim doctrine is that any country or land that wa once conquered by muslims must be taken back. You Europeans who don't like the mixture of Religion in government, how will you square that when the Muslims in Your government start proposing laws based on the teachings of islam? John Rhys Davies Has been lambasted for pointing out that in another ten or so years Muslims will make up 40 percent of the population in England. Forty percent is a majority If I'm not mistaken. It's all well and good for You Scandinavian people to see this as not a big deal but then explain why all the fear recently of the Muslims in your country after the Van Gogh incedent? It's about Government and passing laws that benefit the viewpoint of the Ayatollahs and imans who push their followers who will eventually be in office. Unfortunately Muslims haven't shown they can run a country without oppressing their subjects. From the Muslims in the Balkans to the Muslims in Indonesia, it's been one hotbed of problems year after year after decade after centuries. If America could sever the oil umbilical cord we could hopefully just let all you folks suffer the fate your openness is bringing down upon you. The approach you Euro's chose in dealing with the Muslims and other Immigrants is the same as the old adage about boiling a frog slowly. Hot water he jumps out. Slow simmer he dies a slow death. The Death of Theo van gogh really Opened the eye's over in Denmark or wherever that was, to how hot the waters have become. The rest of Europe is catching on. Obviously some of you still want to keep your heads in the sand. But here's a way of viewing it that movie fans such as yourselves may understand. First Matrix when The Smith is trying to get answers out of Fiishburne. Remember how he compared humans to a virus? Remember how he said that virus's move in a nd replicate? Well that's how humans are. Muslims in their birth countries would basically maintain a balanc of births that can be sustained by the enviroment, much like any human anywhere. Take those same people and put them into an enviroment with more like say france or England and they will multiply. Kinda like a shark in a small tank will only grow to the size of the enviroment. Add to that the influx of the Islamofascists and their influence, much like the influence we have here on the Campi of Universities, and you have the building blocks of a real problem. It'snot racist or xenophobic or bigoted it's about maintaining a way of life. Only cowards sit back and watch as others encroach on their property with confronting it head on. Europe is turning into a squatters haven and soon the squatters will want rights and i they don't get it their will be problems.

  • April 29, 2005, 12:19 a.m. CST

    Did Quint say:

    by Sayhey Kid

    Badass movie...would "rock out." Who talks like that?

  • April 29, 2005, 12:19 a.m. CST

    ForeverTJ, stop being a racist cunt

    by prevert

    Honestly dude, what are you hoping to prove?

  • April 29, 2005, 12:30 a.m. CST

    Hopefully some of the other characters will be USAgent, The Capt

    by Heckles

    Now you can dig that.. suckaaaaaaaa!

  • April 29, 2005, 1:36 a.m. CST

    The ten movies

    by JUSTICE41

    Hmmm? I'd say the long awaited Iron Fist, The Luke Cage Powerman flick. Obviously the Knightstalkers off spin. Werewolf by Night Since Dr Starnge's name was brought up in Spiderman2, I'd say Sony and Columbia have that one. The way I see it you'll just have to think of genre's then figure out which genre's can be done on the cheap and which characters fit. The horror Supernatural genre can be filled with werewolve, zombies, living vampires, voodoo doctors.etc... Sci Fi- Silver Surfer,Warlock, Rom etc.. Action adventure- any hero without powers. Hawkeye, Blackwidow, Or even a superhero like Ms.Marvel or Spiderwoman can be pretty good. I'd like to see Captain Marvel done. Not the newer sissy version but the old Kree killing one.

  • April 29, 2005, 1:43 a.m. CST

    I think the big question is:

    by Ribbons

    With Cap's costume destined to be called gay, how does this affect the possible subtext of the "don't ask, don't tell" policy? Discuss.

  • April 29, 2005, 3:56 a.m. CST

    Z_B_BROX

    by tulgiewoods

    First of all Z_b_Brox, every one is entitaled to their opinion even if it is not exactly what people want to hear, I hate P.C. and I would hope that people could be more open and not restricted with what they say so on an up side I do commend you on just being Blunt... I am a Christian and I have to say you have no CLUE what the Bible is about, it is far far away from what the freaking quran States!! First off Jesus actualy claimed to be God, no one else has done that, the god of the quran and the God of the Bible are way different then each other. The God of the Bible may seem illogical to you but I suppose you feel that God owes you something for the Crap Life you got huh?? EVERYONE thinks God owes them in some way to "make up" for the life they have and instead of waiting on God to take care of things and praying ALOT "keep on knocking and you shall receve" you pray once and nothing happens so you give up like a little pussy! have you ever read about JOB! His life was worse then anything you could imagine and he NEVER blamed God, in the end he got more then he knew what to do with.... So don't make General comments that things are the same when they are clearly not, you have no idea who God is or what his motives are,How can you claim to know God when you don't spend time with him or listen to his words, you are Deaf and blind, to say otherwise would be foolish,it's never too late and I hope you realize I only say this because I know that when people are not christians I Don't expect people to know where to draw boundries,I forgive you. OK after that being said This is a Movie site Not a religous Debate, lets all stick to the topic now about weather or not Captain America will be good or not, I for one think we should give all the comic movies to Bryan Singer!!!LOL

  • April 29, 2005, 6:33 a.m. CST

    tulgiewoods:

    by Z_B_Brox

    Wow. Umm. Wow. You just read a whooooole lot into what I said. Which is to say, you invented a whole psychological profile of my attitudes toward religion based on my belief that two religious texts are in many ways equitable. To paraphrase you, "so don't make general comments about me, you you have no idea who I am or what my motives are. How can you claim to know me when you don't spend time with me or listen to me words?" My friend, I don't resent God or feel he owes me anything, because I very much enjoy my life. I've got a great family, a wonderful girlfriend of nearly four years, good friends, I'm one of the relatively small fraction of the world population with enough money, enough food, and as far as I know adequate health care, and I've bene lucky enough to travel, get an education, and, yes, even afford a study copy of the Bible for no other reason that I wanted to learn about it. I think my life, by most any standard, is pretty great, and I would like to thank God for it. The only problem is that I see no convincing reason to believe there is a God. If there is, I'd like to think he's a good guy, perfect, benevolent, the whole lot. That being the case, you can understand my problems with the verses of the Bible I quoted above. Those are real quotes, you can look them up. Admittedly a couple of them are open to interpretation, but any reliigous wokr is that, the Koran included. My point, of course, being that people who condemn Islam on the basis of it being a "violent" religion while claiming that Judeo-Christian religions aren't, in terms of their holy text, equally appalling are viewing the world with blinders. Now, I have no doubt that violent, terrorist extremism is somewhat less prevalent among primarily Judeo-Christian societies, but, as I explained in my first post, I think that has much more to do with the economic state of the respective societies and the affect of colonialism on the cultures involved than with the religion itself. In case you've forgotten, fundamentalist Christians have done some rpetty atrocious, barbaric things in their time, often to Muslims. And yes, I realize that by most modenr standards those weren't "real" Christians, but many Muslims would claim that anyone who turns Allah's word to violence isn't a "real" Muslim. If you remove the minor difference that you happen to believe in one of the religions in question, they aren't that different.

  • April 29, 2005, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Z_B_BROX

    by tulgiewoods

    I relize and I do hate those people that go and kill Abortion Doctors, it's the same mantality that brought on the crusades, it's either mans ego or the lack of faith{haveing no faith that God will take care of things so they do it themselves}. I never claimed to know you, I am Just makeing a statement, I was saying it because it is an attatude that People generly have, I know I should not generalize but it is a HUGE % that I have seen. I am glad that you have a good life and that you have a study Bible. after 9/11 I did'nt jump on board with the rest of the yahoos. I realize that not all Muslems are terrorists, just like I don't like it when people call themselves "christians" and go and kill somebody in the name of God. I hope maybe one day, you can find your way around to belif, I will pray for you in the time being. I had an athist for a friend before and he was the smartest person I knew, we were odd friends...lol I had a Muslim friend also right next to my room and we respected each others prayer times. there is nothing I can do BUT pray and witness to people because what use is there in fighting when fighting just makes a man shut his ears.

  • but I don't think he will. I remember after Schindler's List he said that he would never again do a movie with Nazis as the villains (like in the Indiana Jones films). I think he said it was disrespectful of those who suffered at the hands of the Nazis to show Nazis in film as "cartoonish" villains.

  • April 29, 2005, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Game Over.

    by Shan

    Everybody loses.

  • April 29, 2005, 7:07 p.m. CST

    ForeverTJ, the bigoted sack of worm-eaten shit.

    by Noriko Takaya

    But then you knew that, didn't you, short-bus boy? ^_^