April 27, 2005, 7:40 p.m. CST
by Blood Simple
April 27, 2005, 7:42 p.m. CST
by Col. Beckwith
April 27, 2005, 7:42 p.m. CST
April 27, 2005, 7:42 p.m. CST
by Col. Beckwith
April 27, 2005, 7:42 p.m. CST
by Junior Frenger
...clealry needs psychiatric attention. This will be the best Bat Film to date.
April 27, 2005, 7:44 p.m. CST
...glad I don't have to watch this at mtv.com any more...what a clunkity-clunker of an interface that is over there...
April 27, 2005, 7:45 p.m. CST
by Evil Chicken
Too Cool. This looks significantly better than I had hoped for. I, for one geek-boy, can
April 27, 2005, 7:45 p.m. CST
by The Real McCoy
That trailer RAAAAWKKED!
April 27, 2005, 7:46 p.m. CST
...indeed! looks like the Bat is well and truly back! Really looking forward to this. Oh, and just how cool is Christian Bale?
April 27, 2005, 7:49 p.m. CST
Looks just like Katie Holmes I think. I do not know about his nipples however. And has anyone else noticed how Christian Bale seems to be playing Bruce Wayne exactly like Patrick Bateman? The scene in the restaurant here looks to me like the one in American Psycho where he's talking about saving the planet. Let's hope for some more Huey Lewis lovin in this one!
April 27, 2005, 7:51 p.m. CST
At least according to the trailer page........
April 27, 2005, 7:52 p.m. CST
April 27, 2005, 7:55 p.m. CST
And again: http://movies.apple.com/movies/wb/batman_begins/batman_begins-tlr4a_m480.mov
April 27, 2005, 7:57 p.m. CST
by zikade zarathos
Looks great, I still deeply, deeply fear the script, though. I'm sure I'll enjoy it, but it'll have to be damn good to best BATMAN RETURNS as the best Batman flick yet made.
April 27, 2005, 7:58 p.m. CST
sign the Petition! http://www.petitiononline.com/qp2d1234/petition.html
All right. Cool. Maybe just a bit too much flying. You're not Superman, you know.
April 27, 2005, 8:05 p.m. CST
Looks great and I'm sure the gliding will only be used when it's needed.
April 27, 2005, 8:07 p.m. CST
In some ways it is nice to get really excited about this film now, beacuse I only have to wait two months till it comes out. And yes... the trailer rules!
April 27, 2005, 8:09 p.m. CST
She looks OK, but she's a damned awful actress. I'm never convinved by her. She's like an American Idol contestant or something- just lame and out of place no matter what she does. ---- My only gripes with the movie are the costume (every movie Batman costume has eye HOLES rather than blank lenses. NOT seeing Bruce's eyes is part what makes The Batman so frightening and inhuman), the ridiculous SUV Batmobile, and the clear ACTION MOVIE pace. WHY, oh why can't someone make a Batman movie that is a DETECTIVE noir flick, like "Se7en".
April 27, 2005, 8:11 p.m. CST
DAMN, "EPISODE III" AND THIS ARE GONNA BE THE TOP BOX OFFICE CHAMPS OF THE YEAR!
April 27, 2005, 8:12 p.m. CST
by Lazarus Long
...at least about Baldwin. I always thought a pre-weight gain Alec was perfect for Bruce Wayne, which is where I really thought Keaton was miscast (although his jaw was a big pudgy in the Batsuit as well). Wayne needs to look like a multi-millionaire, and a dapper society one. Keaton looks like a wild-eyed freak. I don't agree that Burton had it locked down, though. The guy can be style over substance at times, and when the star of the movie is the Art Direction, you're in trouble. Secondly, Jack Nicholson, while entertaining, was just too big and too over the top for the film. The star should have been Batman. They didn't learn their lesson with Batman Returns, where the new villans were the focal point. At least DeVito and Pfeiffer nailed it though; I thought the psychology made the second film much better. Nolan will strike a perfect balance while giving us a very grey-shaded, conflicted hero. I'm not worried.
April 27, 2005, 8:20 p.m. CST
Sorry, but I'd actually prefer Adrien Brody as The Joker myself...
April 27, 2005, 8:23 p.m. CST
April 27, 2005, 8:26 p.m. CST
Now that's how you make a kick ass trailer! It helps to reinforce my belief that not only will this easily be the best Batman film to date, but one of the best comic-based superhero films yet. It's Batman dammit! Can't wait!
April 27, 2005, 8:29 p.m. CST
That Trailer is fricking sweet, can't wait to see this in a huge fricking cinema, Scarecrow looks all kind of fricking demented and reminds me of Cronenbergs characters from Nightbreed which is also fricking sweet. Grispin Glover as The Joker would be fricking sweet. That Little Dude from Carnivale or from The Station Agent as Penguin would be fricking sweet as well!
April 27, 2005, 8:30 p.m. CST
by Barry Egan
April 27, 2005, 8:33 p.m. CST
by Dog Of Mystery
Also Americans are brainwashed cunts.
April 27, 2005, 8:38 p.m. CST
Unless youre a jew
April 27, 2005, 8:40 p.m. CST
I don't have to be a tree-hugger to think the Batmobile looks like a hunk of shit.
April 27, 2005, 8:41 p.m. CST
Look at your teeth man! You're an omnivore, not a herbivore!
April 27, 2005, 8:42 p.m. CST
Or a Muslim. Re: French ban head scarves.
April 27, 2005, 8:44 p.m. CST
Which stopped being true around a decade and a half ago (apart from the already bad teeth of some of the adults, obviously)
April 27, 2005, 8:48 p.m. CST
No..from what I've seen, they still have some pretty bad teeth. Maybe the tiny tikes don't though...
April 27, 2005, 8:50 p.m. CST
Rob a bank then kick a puppy. Now those are some bad teeth
April 27, 2005, 8:50 p.m. CST
...and the rest of the "this will suck" brigade that has been slagging this project on here from day one? Suddenly everyone's a fan. THIS is the film of the summer and has been ever since a master film maker like Chris Nolan signed on the dotted line. It's just a shame it's taken this trailer to convince Mr Knowles and the rest. I've never really understood Harry's "eclectic" taste in films (Blade 2 anyone?) but from the very first day he has refused to give this film any backing. I guess WB weren't prepared to pay the AintitCool going rate these days, huh Harry? And it must've hurt when noone from this site was invited to London for the Begins press tour of the set the suits and the Batmobile, huh? Well I guess you're coming round just in time even if your praise above does seem to be through gritted teeth. I'll see Begins as many times as possible whereas I'll (seriously) wait for Ep III to come out on DVD. Why? Because I believe the efforts and talent of Christopher Nolan should be rewarded whereas my blind faith in Lucas ended the day Ewan Macgregor said filming The Phantom Menace was the most boring experience of his life!
April 27, 2005, 8:53 p.m. CST
Watching Ewan MacGregor movies are sadly all too common. This guy is a shite actor, why is he still making films? Ah wait, I'm forgetting Blue Juice, the British Point Break
April 27, 2005, 8:56 p.m. CST
Can get a decent message board and this site (which must get thousands of hits every day) has still got this shitty talkback form?? A leftover from the Windows 95 wars, for fucks sake
April 27, 2005, 9:04 p.m. CST
...no really, it was runny.
April 27, 2005, 9:05 p.m. CST
Was he in the trailer?
April 27, 2005, 9:06 p.m. CST
What I don't understand is why they bothered "updating" to include the fancy new feature of the quick talkback when they could just properly update into this century and get some decent code. No ability to edit, to enter tags - it's shit frankly. And having paid absolutely nothing nor contributed anything to the site I deserve better
April 27, 2005, 9:08 p.m. CST
But I hope Katie Holmes (i.e. that bitch from Dawson's Creek) dies at the end of this movie to save us from her in the sequel. However, I don't think it's likely because she's being set up as a more important character than, say, Vicki Vale. I too hope she doesn't bring the movie down in any way. But how can you argue with the rest of the cast? Fuck-king hell it's a great line-up! Something tells me the script can't have been too bad if all these greats signed up. I have a feeling Neeson is going to rock the world in this movie, especially because he's (well, anyone with half a brain can work out the twist) going to exhibit his evil side. The Scarecrow also looks sick. I would love Bruce to be played like Bateman, or at least similar to him. How fuck-ass funny would that be. Notice the similarity between the name Bateman and...well, just take out the 'e'. Rock on!!!!
April 27, 2005, 9:10 p.m. CST
Batman 1 and 2 suffered from what most Burton films suffer from (Sleepy Hollow aside oddly enough) and that's lack of story. It's all just very interesting window dressing. The Schumaucher films were an attempt to return the Bat franchise to its 60s camp TV show roots. Honestly, this looks like THE first decent Bat flick. Stellar cast, great director and (I hope) a story. I've not read the script but I like the dialog I hear in the trailer. It's not much to go on, but the lines sound well-crafted enough. I think THIS is going to be the film of the summer, even if it won't make as much as Episode III.
April 27, 2005, 9:11 p.m. CST
Great Trailer - and holy crap, they might actually have given Bruce Wayne a part in this movie. The more I see of this, the more it seems like Goyer and Nolan really "got" Batman. Suddenly the rubber suit's not bothering me so much. I'll be in line - which is more than I can say for the Fantastic Four movie.
April 27, 2005, 9:14 p.m. CST
Those people posting in the Serenity talkback seemed like gentlemen and scholars compared to your senseless drivel posted over there.
April 27, 2005, 9:19 p.m. CST
Looks pretty damn good. Holmes' nipples are sweet.
April 27, 2005, 9:26 p.m. CST
I need to return some videotapes.
April 27, 2005, 9:27 p.m. CST
a Batman story without a love interest (although I can't remember if Batman & Robin had one, I've managed to block out the memory of that). Batman's not about the ladies, he's about the fighting of the crime.
April 27, 2005, 9:27 p.m. CST
...I can't wait to see Gary Oldman as Comissioner Gordon. Having that fat, stupid tub of lard version of Gordon in the original Batman films bugged me to no end.
April 27, 2005, 9:36 p.m. CST
April 27, 2005, 9:48 p.m. CST
This move doesnt have a fraction of the artistic direction or "feel" of the Tim Burton Batman. Gotham looks utterly ordinary and none of the characters have the flare of the 1989 version.
April 27, 2005, 10:02 p.m. CST
by Ted Striker
Looks good, real good.
April 27, 2005, 10:09 p.m. CST
You know it makes sense.
R O C K S. But I hate the Bat-Hummer or whatever it is. For a classy ride, Google Batmobile 1940s or 50s.
April 27, 2005, 10:16 p.m. CST
. . . the complete lack of a funky Prince score? If there isn't a scene with the main villian and his henchman dancing around while committing crimes, how can it hope to compare to Burton's flawless masterpiece? (I can't believe people have forgotten how completely annoying (and ubiquitous) that "Batdance" crap was.)
April 27, 2005, 10:17 p.m. CST
What's all this hoopla about the last four movies? This is a completely fresh start to the Batman series last time I heard! Who cares if Chris Nolan's Gotham doesn't look like Tim Burton's Gotham (Burton should be disregarded for handing the series over to Schumacher anyway), the important thing is to see if this movie is at all like the comics. Gotham City didn't have enormous statues holding up its observatories, it was just a steamy, grimy, crime-infested city. If Nolan can capture the Frank Miller or Jeph Loeb style Batman, then we'll have a winner. Tim Burton's day in Gotham has come and gone.
April 27, 2005, 10:20 p.m. CST
I keep hearing about how wonderfully visionary Tim Burton's version of Batman was for, what, 15 years now, and I just have to chime in. Burton Totally missed the point with who Batman/ Bruce Wayne was. Sure, his vision of Gotham City was cool, but the rest sucked. Case in point: Batman got his ass handed to him by every third rate hood in the first two films, and had to rely on his gadgets (go go gadget grappling gun) to get him out of trouble. In the comics, Bruce Wayne trained for years to become the best martial artist in the world. He is the baddest of the bad when it comes to a scrap. Yet, every time he turned around (without turning his head BTW) he was getting his ass kicked, or getting shot and damn near unmasked. Keaton, who is a great actor in my opinion, was TOTALLY wrong for the part. Nicholson was TOTALLY wrong for the joker, and didn't have the scariness of the psychotic Joker of the comics. Bat Nipples. Not until Batman Forever did we get a Batman who could kick a little ass. (But still had nipples) Let's not even start with Batman and Robin... I feel sorry for Clooney, who I think could have been a great Bruce Wayne with a halfway decent script. Here's hoping that this June I will FINALLY get the Bat film I've been waiting for since I was 5 years old. BURTON IS A HACK! 'NUFF SAID!
April 27, 2005, 10:22 p.m. CST
April 27, 2005, 10:31 p.m. CST
DC needs a hit. But I don't pity them because the people at Warner Brothers treat their properties like something dug out of Lightstormer's ear. Bottom line? This along with a Wonder Woman movie, Flash and Supes should help DC rival Marvel at the box office. Not that I want that or anything....
April 27, 2005, 10:32 p.m. CST
that is all I have to say...
April 27, 2005, 10:32 p.m. CST
Yes fanboy, you are the only one who hates the first 2 bat films. The stuff you said made no sense. Batman got his ass handed to him? He didn't, but he did fight with hoodlums and did take some hits, but no duh, he's a human being with no superpowers. Nicholson was wrong for the Joker? Phhhffftt...He was excellent as the Joker. And Clooney? Nipples? Burton is a Hack? Wow, you sure made our day. ___KNEEL___
April 27, 2005, 10:43 p.m. CST
Man.. the early trailers got me into this flic... but now, whatever, cant wait to see it on tv. of course, I am old. and think that, although Keaton was a bit sucky as Bruce, he ruled as Batman. im sure Bale (who is always greatness) will be fab, but could we just do this with less "effects"and thus gives us more. man i think i am wishing for tv era batman effects, no more computer stuff... please... i am starting to forget what superduper effect comes from what movie... but I am old.
April 27, 2005, 10:45 p.m. CST
This was pointed out to me elsewhere. If you pause at the point that shows the whole city of Gotham and the harbor and then look at this map of Gotham from the comics, it's pretty fucking accurate. http://www.paratime.ca/dclegends/pics/dcl/gotham_city.jpg
April 27, 2005, 10:50 p.m. CST
I know that many people dont like the suit. I have to admit I'm not all that crazy about it either. I like the grey cloth look of the Dead End shoot. BUT... what may be interestin gis to see why Batman switches from one (lack of protection) to the other rubberized suit. As for the movie, while not knowing the details of the script it looks pretty darn good based on cast and trailers and of course the director. The batmobile, is what I think Miller had in mind in the Dark Knight returns series. So i can live with that. More realistic than a supped up 'vette could look. Think of it... his car HAS to be able to take and give a pounding. Plus SUV's are all the craze these days. Lets just hope that this move will deliver.....
April 27, 2005, 10:51 p.m. CST
April 27, 2005, 11 p.m. CST
and yeah, his batfilms completely missed the point. decent films, but should not be associated with the comic at all.
April 27, 2005, 11:05 p.m. CST
This trailer inspired me the way the others failed to - I simply cannot wait. But I have a question - the actor who says "He's here...the Batman," is that Cillian Murphy or a different actor? He looks VERY familiar, like I've seen him in another film, and I'm wondering. Thanks.
April 27, 2005, 11:07 p.m. CST
That is Cillian Murphy, a.k.a. Jonathan Crane, the Scarecrow. Just saw 28 Days Later again, and after that and this trailer, I'm finally looking forward to seeing him in this role.
April 27, 2005, 11:10 p.m. CST
Hey, thanks. He looked familiar but I wasn't sure if they were going to show Scarecrow sans mask. I have to say, Cillian's delivery of that line is absolutely perfect.
April 27, 2005, 11:15 p.m. CST
Kevin Smith has a review of ROTS on his web site. He says it's "fucking awesome." Spoilers abound.
April 27, 2005, 11:19 p.m. CST
by Right Bastard
thinking, "Thank God it's not Keanu Reeves in another action film!" In my opinion, the best Batman movie is still "Mask of the Phantasm", followed closely by that totally F-ed up "Return of Joker" (though that's actually a "Batman Beyond" movie).
April 27, 2005, 11:20 p.m. CST
Why the FUCK didn't they keep a version of the 1989 theme? Dumb fucking move, WB.
April 27, 2005, 11:29 p.m. CST
April 27, 2005, 11:31 p.m. CST
It's the best one yet, but none of them have got me particularly excited about a movie I should be really fired up to see by now. In fact, I haven't been impressed by any of the promotional materials, and what movie is easier to market than BATMAN??? I still have hopes it will be good, though. What a cast.
April 27, 2005, 11:33 p.m. CST
did anyone else see the fucking horse shoot fucking flames out of his fucking nose??? I believe that was scarecrow on the hellish beast too. holy shit. im a sucker for this stuff and fucking cant wait to see it.
April 27, 2005, 11:46 p.m. CST
Just like Harry and many of you, I was not excited at all by the previous advertisements/promotions for this film...but this trailer is a fucking work of art. I cannot wait to see this. If you're a Batman fan and weren't thrilled by this trailer, I don't know what to tell you. David Goyer's script is still an unknown factor - I've heard good and bad things about it - but Christopher Nolan seems to have knocked it out of the park with his visual style.
April 28, 2005, 12:01 a.m. CST
The posters are the colour of urine, no? I've seen the same cover art for Gargoyles the direct to video franchise, and Vampiyaz. Why hasn't Harry reviewd that one? Racist.
April 28, 2005, 12:01 a.m. CST
One thing that strikes me about the trailers is the apparently minimal use of (obvious) CGI. I've heard the Nolan is a big "Blade Runner" fan and that has influenced his making of "Batman Begins." It looks like Nolan's using a lot of good old-fashioned movie virtues like sets, costuming and stunts to bring Batman and his world to life. Is it just me? Aside from the Bats and one or two model-looking shots of an "El" train, it looks like the visual effects are being refreshingly restrained.
April 28, 2005, 12:06 a.m. CST
it strikes me at this point that Bales first film, Empire of the Sun, and his most famous till now, American Psycho, are already kind of the Batman story. The Psycho bit might make more sense if you read the book and figure out what did not happen, but it still works for me... its just effects... and loud noises that keep showing up in the movie that make me sleepy... im old.
April 28, 2005, 12:21 a.m. CST
by payton 34
Do you actually know how movies are made? If you think FM should direct the next Batman movie, it's clear that you have no clue.
April 28, 2005, 12:22 a.m. CST
by Tron 2.0
Not too impressed with the design of Gotham City. I liked Tim Burton's more gothic and stylized approach. However, this is a marked improvement over the overtly cartoon-y design of 'Batman Forever' and 'Batman and Robin.' And it certainly shouldn't ruin the movie for me...
April 28, 2005, 12:22 a.m. CST
by Jar Jar 4 Prez
If a movie is too cool, it just short circuits my brain. Fortunately, this Batman movie is looking "refreshingly restrained"--so'z meesa thinks I'm gonna love it.
April 28, 2005, 12:26 a.m. CST
April 28, 2005, 12:34 a.m. CST
by Jar Jar 4 Prez
Movies are made up in the clouds! By god-like beings using pixy dust and lightning! Not by mere mortals possessed with great artistic ability! What an idiot. I notice that you don't give any actual reasons why Frank Miller couldn't make a great Batman movie. I think a Frank Miller Batman movie would be great--far better than any of the shit with the "Batman" name that we've had to suffer through so far. The Batman movies suck.
April 28, 2005, 12:42 a.m. CST
payton, why couldnt Miller Direct a film. get along with the cast might be a prob, but cartoon guys know a lot about the frame... and it could be that easy, really. I know a lot about film. its the dang Ex producers we need to worry about.
April 28, 2005, 12:42 a.m. CST
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173732&page=2 The fact that they would go to that much trouble already gives me serious hope for this film.
April 28, 2005, 12:46 a.m. CST
by payton 34
Frank Miller is the biggest hypocrite to work in comics. He has no problem standing in front of a room of his peers and tell them to avoid the Hollywood machine like the plague, yet he's the first guy to put on a cheerleaders outfit and wave his pompoms when the Hollywood money truck backs up to his door. Now lets talk about the fact that he has never wrote a workable script. He wrote a Batman script that Darren Aronofsky was supposed to direct, but it was so bad the whole thing was dropped. Now lets touch on the fact that he accepted a directing credit on Sincity, yet all he did was sit in a corner and draw pictures all fucking day. He even went on record as saying that he didn't even know what directing was until Qt got on set. If you even had an inkling as to how this stuff worked you wouldn't have opened your yap and looked like a douche bag. Congrats though, now everyone here knows it.
April 28, 2005, 12:49 a.m. CST
by payton 34
so don't even start with me.
April 28, 2005, 1:36 a.m. CST
Ladies and gentlemen, I think we finally have a Batman movie. Bale owns this role, and Nolan owns our ass, come June.
April 28, 2005, 1:51 a.m. CST
Is. I don't know how the complete product will be received or whether or not the most important parts of the movie were wasted on this preview, but whoever cut this should be very proud of themselves: it succeeds in pretty much every way a trailer could hope to. Sadly, Katie Holmes' lines remain mostly rubbish.
April 28, 2005, 2:15 a.m. CST
What a load of crap - thats like saying all americans are obese - when we know its like, only 95% of americans that are obese! FUCKING COOL TRAILER- BATMOBILE LOOKS COOL WHO GIVES A SHIT IF HE DIDNT GET IT TIL NO MANS LAND?
April 28, 2005, 2:17 a.m. CST
by Jonas Wolfe
April 28, 2005, 2:25 a.m. CST
FUCKING EXCELLENT - MADE ME LAUGH OUT LOUD AT MY DESK SO EVEY CUNT IN THE OFFICE KNOWS IM FUCKING ABOUT AND NOT WORKING (STILL WORTH IT THO) ; )
April 28, 2005, 2:43 a.m. CST
Wow - now THAT is what I call a trailer to get excited about! The lack of comedy suggests this is going to be serious...like it should be.
April 28, 2005, 2:45 a.m. CST
by Peter Pants
At first i wasn't too keen on Cillian being cast but, my God, I could listen to/watch him say that line all day... WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!
April 28, 2005, 2:51 a.m. CST
Ok, now I ove the 1st Batman as much as we all do, but how much of that is rooted in child nostalga? I am in now way saying anything bad about that one, but this looks to be what I always hoped for in a Batman flick. One of the smartest directors around, and not once scene looks to have any campy moments from any of the cast. A very serious story with such a great backstory to Bruce to make us understand why when he fights, he can take more than the average man ever could. A bruce Lee of sorts with all the psychosis behind it. This just looks plain incredible, nd yes Christian Balse has the chops to handle it. Is there a wonder why we remember him so much for how much we hated his character in American Psycho It wasnt because he played it bad, but because he played it spot on. My most anticipated movie of the year, (...and I am a Star Wars Nut!)
April 28, 2005, 3:11 a.m. CST
And regarding his eyes, it looks like he puts on white contacts, which I guess looks better but quite inpractical in real life.
April 28, 2005, 3:33 a.m. CST
by Mister Man
Especially since he looks like a Duran Duran reject.
April 28, 2005, 3:40 a.m. CST
That was awesome! That trailer alone is better than the enitre Batman and Robin movie...consider me sold! Star Wars, Batman, HHGTTG...what have I done to deserve this?
April 28, 2005, 3:57 a.m. CST
April 28, 2005, 4:02 a.m. CST
Moviemack's coming. Lock and load, troopers. Do not fire until fired upon, but when you do -- shoot to kill.
April 28, 2005, 4:14 a.m. CST
it looks like its gonna be a great film. but PLEASE learn from the mistakes made by your predecesors 1)do not kill off your villians 2)no more than ONE villan per film unless you wanna do a LITTLE set up for the next movie 3) NO Robin, NO Batgirl, And dont even think about that Bat dog 4) resist the urge to use pop stars for your soundtracks 5)dont let batman go philly cream cheese soft...he's the DARK knight dammit! 6)lay off of all the merchandising...resist the urge, sure it's alot of money...but maintain some sense of dignity... a few HIGH quality items are okay...but we really dont need BATMAN cereal...dont be a complete whore. 7) dont forget that batman is a detective.8) keep the sets realistic...the batmobile driving on the arm of a gigantic statue? WHATEVER! 9)EVERY girl batman screws doesn't have to learn his "secret" identity 10)keep the evil henchmen to a minimum 11)resist the urge to use every bad pun in the book. 12)NO gratuitus (spellcheck) ass or nipple shots (unless from a female)lol... we will tear your soul apart... anyways im sure there are more...let the other fanboys make their own list
April 28, 2005, 4:15 a.m. CST
That the vision of a 'wicked' city like Gotham closely resembles Los Angeles' nightlife. The train looks cool, and what the hell was up with the fire breathing horse...holy f. I hope they explain the weird coincidence of the droids landing in the backyard of, and being sold to, the son of the Dark Lord of the Sith in Ep III. And why in the f Darth Vader doesn't remember he has kids, or where his shiftless pan-faced stepbrother lived. Please o please.
April 28, 2005, 4:15 a.m. CST
this is the one!
April 28, 2005, 4:35 a.m. CST
by Spooky Howell
Bruce Wayne goes away for a while. Struggles with his past and fights his inner demons, working hard and getting buff. He comes back to gotham to find it full of crime (big suprise). So he has to lay the law down, show off his new gadgets like james bond, save the girl and save the day in gotham once again. This lame story keeps repeating. I see nothing new here. This story line is way to close to "walking tall" if you ask me.
April 28, 2005, 4:38 a.m. CST
Excellent the trailer is....mmmmm As good as Ep 3 this looks!....mmmm
April 28, 2005, 4:51 a.m. CST
by Noriko Takaya
I suppose that warning about "Blatant abuse, personal attacks, OFF-TOPIC BS, cross-posting, blatant advertising, and hate speech" being fodder for banning is just a lot of BS, huh Harry? Nice. Well I suppose it's just as well as ForeverAsswipe would simply come back under a new name, as diseased shitpies of his ilk are wont to do, but it would be nice to see the moderation rules enforced around here for once.******************As to the trailer, I saw the full screen version (thanks Mizz DuPont!!) and I must say it looks beautiful. THIS is the Batman film I've wanted to see for ages. Gritty, realistic and based on a good story (Year One). Now if they can just keep to this level of quality and avoid adding Robin, neon and increasing levels of silliness over the next few films DC may just have something here! Looking forward to this one, and to Superman Returns. Toppu o Nerae!
April 28, 2005, 4:55 a.m. CST
then check out the Petition Glover fans!: http://www.petitiononline.com/qp2d1234/petition.html
April 28, 2005, 4:57 a.m. CST
and this begins stuff looks real clunky and deliberate just like nolan's other flicks
April 28, 2005, 5:17 a.m. CST
GEORGEFNLUCAS WROTE : "I hope they explain the weird coincidence of the droids landing in the backyard of, and being sold to, the son of the Dark Lord of the Sith in Ep III." Well, the Tantive IV (the blockade runner) could have been dashing to Tatooine to find Ben Kenobi. They never say it wasn't !!! And obviously the escape pod would ditch on the nearest safe area fo he nearest planet.
April 28, 2005, 5:49 a.m. CST
It isn't a coincidence. Remember Leia's holographic message? After receiving the stolen plans for the Death Star, Leia was swinging by Tatooine to pick up "general Kenobi" and bring him to Alderaan. The Emperor had dissolved the senate and times called for drastic measures. Also, I don't think R2's memory gets wiped since he obviously is more reliable than Threepio and in ANH he demonstrates knowledge of Kenobi.
April 28, 2005, 6:09 a.m. CST
Hey, Frank Miller gave us The Dark Knight Returns, I'll give ya that. But this is also the same guy who wrote The Dark Knight Strikes Again, AND whose recent Batman script made Bruce Wayne a homeless guy, Alfred a black mechanic named "Little Al," and the Batmobile a suped-up Lincoln Continental. So... yeah, he's clearly not in any condition to be allowed near the franchise. End of story.
April 28, 2005, 6:16 a.m. CST
April 28, 2005, 7 a.m. CST
Trailer does look really good, but am not sure if I've missed something here.Apologies if this has been asked b4 but does anyone know if this is starting the franchise from scratch or is it a prelude to the original batman, because it seems as if everyone knows who Batman is in this film but in the Original version no-one has ever heard of him......or have I missed something?
April 28, 2005, 7:26 a.m. CST
Superb trailer for what should be a superb film. And you can see her nips ForeverTJ, they're way up firm and high.
April 28, 2005, 8:35 a.m. CST
Ok, I have quicktime 6.5.2 on windows XP pro How the freak do I get these to save?
April 28, 2005, 8:44 a.m. CST
After this Batman it will all be downhill. The studio, or executives or whoever has input because they put up the money will turn this into crap. Every great movie that could be a series is turned into crap after the first movie. Batman 2,3,4 Superman 3,4, the Crow sequals all crap. When will the people in hollywood learn to leave good franchises alone? So far, Spiderman and X-men have had good sequels, but it is only a matter of time I believe.
April 28, 2005, 8:51 a.m. CST
April 28, 2005, 8:53 a.m. CST
This film is looking so good while there is a lot of things that worry me about Singer
April 28, 2005, 8:58 a.m. CST
by Lost in Uranus
He would never do/make a superhero movie, because according to him: "You can never fuckin satisfy those fuckin geeks". And whattayaknow, he is right on the money. As for me, never having read a single comic, well Imma check out this movie solely on the basis that there is no neon and dark lights to be seen in any of those fuckin trailers. And anyone who bitches about minuscule,tiny,little details that do not "truly" represent/catch the "essence" of the comics probably has his head up his ass so far in he's ready to implode. Anyhow, heres to June 15 gettin here soon!
April 28, 2005, 9:05 a.m. CST
by The Shore411
I dunno....I was terribly excited to hear this film was being made with this cast and Nolan, but something feels lacking....could be it that some of haters are right, maybe Batman does need a bit of fantasy to it? I've always thought that Batman would work played realistically, but looking at that all terrain assault version of the batmobile I'm starting to rethink things. Maybe it's just the trailer, but the fanboy spark in me ain't there like with the Episode 3 and Willy Wonka trailers.
April 28, 2005, 9:29 a.m. CST
by Mr Chuff
April 28, 2005, 9:41 a.m. CST
BUT hopefully i'm going to be one surprised happy little camper in june.
April 28, 2005, 10:05 a.m. CST
i too fear that. i hope that's an the fear gas working.
April 28, 2005, 10:08 a.m. CST
It's a restart. The guy who says "He's here...the batman" is the scarecrow. At that point, he's already tussled with Batman, so he knows about him.
April 28, 2005, 10:28 a.m. CST
Why is it that so many people on these Talkbacks who claim to know exactly how to make the definitive Batman are also adamantly against Robin? The DEFINITIVE Batman, as established by Bob Kane & presented in the comics has had a Robin for the better part of sixty years. Even Frank Miller, who many use as their "definitive" view of Batman gave him a Robin. Obviously not in this movie, as Batman's origin comes before Robin's. But Robin is an essential part of the myths as Alfred, Gordon, Joker, etc. Sorry, fanboys. If you want it done right, you're going to have to deal with Robin.
April 28, 2005, 10:35 a.m. CST
by TV CASUALTY
... you really are incredibly annoying.
April 28, 2005, 10:38 a.m. CST
Quit complaing about the suit. Batman is smart, brilliant even. Why would a brilliant person with absolutely no superpowers think it's a good idea to go fight crime in spandex? Yes, he does it in the comics, but in case you can't tell (and I figure most of you can't and won't), they're different storytelling mediums. Also, Batman's comic design comes from 1939 when comics didn't have to be realistic since they were aimed at 5 year olds. Live in the now, folks.
April 28, 2005, 11:01 a.m. CST
The trailer is good and all but how about the news that Katie Holmes and Tom Cruise are dating. I've been waiting years for those two crazy kids to get together.
April 28, 2005, 11:32 a.m. CST
So, was that background music the new score from James Newton Howard and Hans Zimmer? That should be a fucking good combination.
April 28, 2005, 12:03 p.m. CST
Guy loses someone close to him so travels to a cold climate to begin training. Honestly their will be a scene where Batman carrys logs through the snow while a dodgy yank 80's powerballad plays in the background. The only good thing about that trailer is the fact that he gets trained by Qui-Gon Jinn. Apart from that it stank!
April 28, 2005, 12:08 p.m. CST
by Jolly Mon
everyone else has said everything i felt about the trailer so i have one more thing to say... id take katie holmes over kirsten dunst any day of the week.
April 28, 2005, 12:21 p.m. CST
That would be the slums of Kowloon (right?) in China. Hong Kong to be exact, right? The real life place was so fuckin sordid the government just straight up razed it one day with bulldozers. So you can take your Burton "stylized goth" crap and shove it.
April 28, 2005, 12:41 p.m. CST
by Razz Matazz
Do us a favor. Read all your posts back-to-back and try to make sense of them. When you fail, go in your bathroom, look in the mirror...and smack yourself in the face.
April 28, 2005, 1:07 p.m. CST
by Right Bastard
but I miss the convertable pimp bat mobile. What the hell is that thing? A tank-mobile?
April 28, 2005, 1:21 p.m. CST
My name is Mr Moviemac, and I hereby announce my intention to clone myself so I can then picket every cinema in America so that Warner Bros. will not be given the chance to inflict this offensive peice of celluloid garbage on the American public. And if I cannot convince those queuing to see another movie, I will have to resort to violence. I am that serious about this shamfully shambolic treatment of the source material. I am the true authority on Batman, and only I have the Bat-knowledge (Batman's ears should be exactly 8.75" - Fact!)to depict the dark knight as Bob Kane intended. In fact, Bob Kane talks to me every night. He-He-he...yeah. He tells me that Batman is my friend, and not yours. So get your own superhero to play with. MMMMMommy! My Joker dummy just fell out the pram!!! WWWaaaaaaaa!!!!!
April 28, 2005, 1:46 p.m. CST
how can people still be hating on this movie?! it's unbelievable!! maybe there will be a chinese lady plucking the adam west theme song on a violin while singing nananananananananananananananana BATMAN while christian bale looks at her with that recognizedly dumbfounded sense of 'deja va' on his face. oh i mean this movie isn't going to be as good as spiderman 2. what WAS i thinking??
almost forgot, batman should be able to deliver those pizzas on time with that tank of his. not that it really matters, i mean even if he gets fired he could buy the property that the pizza place is built on and have it turned into a parking lot.
April 28, 2005, 1:55 p.m. CST
. . . they actually get around to Vicki Vale. In the early comics, she really was Bat's Lois Lane. I'm not talking Basinger's take on the character however.
April 28, 2005, 2 p.m. CST
You must be watching a tiny low rez version if you can't see her blatant hard nipples.
April 28, 2005, 2:04 p.m. CST
shumacher must have gotten to holmes before filming started. CURSES!!
April 28, 2005, 2:17 p.m. CST
And the more I think about it the more I'm convinced he (John Byrne) is right. Byrne's point is that what makes Batman so freakin' scary to criminals is that he's just a dude dressed up like a bat. No invulverability, no armor plating, just a guy who they can't kill, even though they've always got him outmanned and outgunned. I know Batman uses gadgets, but the gadgets should be secondary to the fact that he's really just a regular guy who kicks all kinds of ass and solves crimes using his detective skills. Ah, well, this still looks really good - and we've seen that Nolan can do an interesting detective story (Memento) so maybe there's hope.
April 28, 2005, 2:19 p.m. CST
by Quin the Eskimo
when they see the promos for the made for TV movie starring "Rosie O'Donnell the angry hammer swinging lesbian" as a 'tard.
April 28, 2005, 2:20 p.m. CST
Man this movie is gonna kick big red monkeyballs 'till they're black and blue! Rejoice!!
April 28, 2005, 2:45 p.m. CST
by Mr Chuff
Anyone got a link to a DOWNLOADABLE version of this trailer? The links posted above just open up the fullscreen window but I want a version on ma desktop for my very ownsome!! Anyone?
April 28, 2005, 3:02 p.m. CST
I'm not sure if this is going to be good. Parts of the trailer look interesting and sometimes it looks only mildly better than that mess Tim Burton made in the 80s/90s of Batman (I won't even go to the depths of the ambiguously gay Batman Schumacher did). I hate the suit -- like all the other suits, it looks heavy and inflexible. Batman is supposed to be agile and that looks the complete opposite. Besides the whole thing about Batman is that he puts his life on the line -- that big heavy, what I'm sure is supposed to be bullet-proof suit removes that element of danger. I hate the tank/car...I've hated all the Batmobiles (with the exception of the Chevy from the '60s). The one thing that does look really good about the film is the cinematography. Also, there are good actors in it (though Katie Holmes looks a little plain).
April 28, 2005, 3:04 p.m. CST
I just read some of the other posts -- Movietool already said what I said, but much better.
April 28, 2005, 3:20 p.m. CST
by Nice Marmot
I'm excited for it. I agree their should be no love interest, especially if its First Daughter. They should just hint that Bruce is sleeping around w/ hot rich chicks but can't be faithful to any of them. I don't think Gotham City should look EXACTLY like Burton's but it should definitely look a lot more Gothic/Rust Beltish. I can live w/ the Bat Hummer but couldn't they at least make it look like its moving a little faster? And what's w/ the Scarecrow's mask? They have a major chance to save money & just use a nasty burlap sack & instead they have some swirly CGI mess straight out of one of the Mummy flicks. Other than what I just said, BRING IT!!!!! And if Nolan does more batfilms, I guarantee Guy Pearce will be Harvy Dent. Wouldn't surprise me if he pops up as Harvy Dent in Returns. I can only hope Crispin Glover gets to play the Joker. Screw Adrian Brody.
April 28, 2005, 3:52 p.m. CST
by Jolly Mon
i dont mind the burton films because at least they are dark, my only problem with them is i think they needed somebody who understood the character and the origin better. i enjoyed them for what they were, but ill always remember my initial reaction was, "this remind me more of a really really great film by tim burton about a superhero he came up with" not The Batman we all know and love. PS- this will be better then Superman.
April 28, 2005, 3:57 p.m. CST
by damned dirty ape
The man is brilliant but he just can't write screenplays, i mean look what he did to the Robocop sequels, there never was a bigger injustice. ***Spoiler**** To those that are wondering what's with the fire breathing horse, it's the fear gas the scarecrow uses to cause hallucinations. Wait untill you see the skull with the snakes slithering through it!!
April 28, 2005, 4:08 p.m. CST
by Jervis Tetch
So whattya think of this brown-sepia color tone idea for this "Batman"? Burton went for the blues and the blacks (plus, some purples); Schumacher made everything look like a plastic CGI rainbow. Obviously, somebody figures Batman should be brown this time around. Look at all the brown movie posters to back up the brown look of the movie. Personally, I've never much pictured Batman's world as brown. But they want to separate from the past, I guess.
April 28, 2005, 4:32 p.m. CST
Batman: Year One is shit. Sin City was fun to watch but the dialogue was a pile of hokey turd. If you tried making a Batman film like that it'd be turd. Comic writers wish they were filmmakers but they're not.
April 28, 2005, 5:18 p.m. CST
You shit-reaming faggot. All comic books are the same. Frank Miller has one style. Don't pretend he's a fucking visionary or anything. He's a choad. Just like you. Batman Year One sucks ass and you know it. Thank fuck Nolan didn't use it. And why the fuck would a multi-millionaire go around fighting crime in a fucking grey cloth costume? Of course he's gonna buy bullet-proof vests n'shit. You're a cunt, Bartertown. I hope you choke on Frank Miller's grizzled cock.
April 28, 2005, 5:25 p.m. CST
Cos they're coming out at the exact same time and are completely alike. What is the plural of jackass anyway? Jackasses?...
April 28, 2005, 5:26 p.m. CST
In fact, I comment about them here: http://leftofcentrist.blogspot.com/2005/04/batman-begins-debate-continues.html
April 28, 2005, 5:41 p.m. CST
by damned dirty ape
April 28, 2005, 5:56 p.m. CST
It's totally bullshit to have to install something unrelated to a movie trailer just to watch one. Fuck Apple! I'll never install another piece of their shitty software unles it's pirated!
April 28, 2005, 6:07 p.m. CST
by Serious Black
Sheesh. For all the hype, can't they get anything right?
April 28, 2005, 6:08 p.m. CST
I agree with those who didn't care much for Burton's vision of Batman. The overall look of Gotham was too twisted, and freakish for my taste. And Keaton just didn't look like a handsom millionair playboy. When Dini, and Timm unleashed 'the animated series', I became more connected with Batman's world than ever before. The art deco style backgrounds looked wonderful, and Batman's presence was strongly felt thanks to Kevin Conroy's voice acting. None of the previous 'Batman' films have captured the true spirit of the character like the cartoon did. So far, 'Batman Begins' looks like it'll be the one 'Batman' film that get it right this time.
April 28, 2005, 8:27 p.m. CST
When we were getting horrible batman films (Burton included)we were at least getting a exellent animated series. Now that we are getting a good batman film we are getting a HORRIBLE animated series. I know that it sounds like a fair trade, but while we are eating popcorn and watching a high quality movie (fingers crossed, the average joe TV viewer will keep getting pumped with horrid animation and terrible one-liners that rival (dare I say it) Batman and Robin. "The" Batman should have gotten cancelled after it's first 3 episodes. We seriously need to get this show off the air. Atleast Justice League is still on, even though "The" Batman keeps taking it's time slot. Damn WB television.
April 28, 2005, 8:50 p.m. CST
This film sucks even though I haven't seen it and only read the very first draft of the script. Although it is only my opinion that the script sucks and the majority of people that read the script say it's good, this film still sucks, because i'm just better than everyone else. I also think that goyer and nolan are hacks even though they made great films like Momento, Blade, and Dark City. I think that everyone that disagrees with what I say sucks. Furthermore, I will continue to bitch and moan about every little problem I have with the production of this film i haven't seen until everyone on the planet agrees with me. I think superheros are stupid, but i still claim to be a batman fan because he isn't a superhero, even though superheros don't have to have superpowers. I also loooove to post atleast 100 times on every Batman talkback. I am also a big fan of Hitler.
April 28, 2005, 8:56 p.m. CST
this film suddenly crept past star wars in my 'most want it now!!!' list... whenever i see any trailer for this film it feels like im seeing batman for the first time.......yeah burton did batman, but it was TIM BURTONS BATMAN.... it wasnt the same... he made a tim burton film about a bat man, not an adaptation of an existing story... this just brings back memories of Millers Year One... and i wants it bad
April 28, 2005, 8:57 p.m. CST
it's Frank millers fault that you didn't get any of his books. Maybe you need to learn how to read. Maybe you should also learn that Frank Miller is a best selling writter, brought batman back to his dark roots after the adam west camp crap, and just completed a high grossing film that was the number one movie in america. Without Miller there would have been no dark batman, no paul dini animated series, no dark batman movies, and probably no batman begins. So as far as the majority of batman, comic, and movie fans are concerned, your opinion isn't worth shit.
April 28, 2005, 9:01 p.m. CST
April 28, 2005, 9:06 p.m. CST
Miller's writings are CHILDISH at best. Dark Batman existed from the beginning. You tool. You smell like shit and piss and cum all mixed together, no wonder you revel in the foolish medium of comic books. You're a twat, a twat in a hat, raping a cat. Frank Miller has all the skills of a Irishman. NONE. My favorite part of Sin City was when Mickey Rooney shot Frank Miller in the face. Awesome.
April 28, 2005, 9:09 p.m. CST
by Lone Fox
Batman was great, Batman Returns was great (there were no others), and Frank Miller is- uhhh, great. Why? This: In Dark Knight Returns he added a nice touch to compensate for the 'cloth costume'. When Bats gets shot in the chest- revealing kevlar armour underneath- he refers to the bat symbol on his chest: 'Why do you think I wear a target?'
April 28, 2005, 9:11 p.m. CST
Cloth is an idiotic fabric for a superhero. You wanted mechanical webshooters too, you benders. I have words to say to you. The words are these: You are a paedophile. You are a nonce. You're a perv. You're a slot badger. You're a two pin din plug. You're a bush dodger. You're a small bean regarder. You're a unabummer. You're a nut administrator. You're a bent ref. You're The Crazy World of Arthur Brown. You're a fence vole. You're a free willy. You're a chimney bottler. You're a bunty man. You're a shrub rocketeer. There's no way that Frank Miller is talented. He's just a man with a pen who cannot draw. The best drawings are done NOT by Frank Miller but by his Asian slaves that color it in for him.
April 28, 2005, 9:14 p.m. CST
by Lone Fox
When you say Miller's writing is childish, I assume you're being ironic.
April 28, 2005, 9:14 p.m. CST
how can you say Dark Batman has existed from the begining?! go read early batman! go watch everysingle sence where adam west has been behind the mask! Batman has been fucked around with a hell of a lot and takes people like Miller and Chris Nolan to get him back on track so others will follow. Millar seriously realigned the character and put it back on track. hopfully this film will do the same.
April 28, 2005, 9:19 p.m. CST
If he wasn't dark from the beginning then how could Miller put him "back on track"? Surely he'd be putting him on an entirely new track? I hope to God you are never employed by a railroad company. You'd have caused a tragedy in your first week on the job. Do you have difficulty operating other kinds of machinery, too? I reckon you do!
April 28, 2005, 9:21 p.m. CST
In the very early issues in the late 1930 and 40's was very dark. He was so dark, that he killed and carried a gun.
April 28, 2005, 9:22 p.m. CST
This movie is going to rule....no question...I love the realistic approach...absolutely love it...I love the suit...I love the TUMBLER...I love the cast...this movie cant go wrong...but what I hate are those fucking bastards who sit and bash Tim Burton's two films. I love the first two. And to those comic fans who bitch about Christopher Nolan not getting Batman right...eat it....comic and film are two different mediums...as many posters have stated before...adaptation is the key word....there will be differences...but the spirit remains...and that is key...I personally dont want to see a Batman who is as fast as Spider-man...But most of all...I hate those who say the unrated Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker is the best Batman film to date...ahhh..makes me scream....nothing with melissa joan hart will EVER be GOOD...EVER!!!!....my ranting is done.
April 28, 2005, 9:28 p.m. CST
Finally, somebody knows his shit about Batman. Frank Miller did jack all. He watched The French Connection and decided he'd put Batman in it. He then wrote a story which featured the infamous "Gordon has a beer and cheets on his wife" which was pretty much the plot of Year One. He turned Catwoman into some boring whore with a heart of gold (LIKE EVERY OTHER FEMALE CHARACTER IN HIS BOOKS, the fucking pervert) and everyone called him a visionary. What a bore. This new Batman Begins film will kick seven shades of shit out of Batman: Year One. So smell my crotch and lick my choad. It's going to be a tasty treat.
April 28, 2005, 9:35 p.m. CST
in 1930 theres only so far you could go. All comics evolve into something they didnt start with. back at the start of batman (which i have read) the general tone is darker than most comics of the time, but obviously if you released the same issues now they'd seem tame compared to what we see in now. What i meant by 'back on track' comment was more that the character came back to its original evolution, after being contaminated by being so commersialized. the batman TV show wasnt even a glimmer of REAL batman, BUT it was successful and it took a while for the comic to get away from the image this it created. No comic ever stays the same, it evolves with every new writer and with the needs of its readers. Frank miller provded what people wanted and had been wait for for a long time.
April 28, 2005, 9:40 p.m. CST
Would any one have a problem with Miller's version of the joker in the sequel? I never thought of the joker as being gay. At least thats what he came off to me as being, in the dark knight returns. Any thoughts?
April 28, 2005, 9:45 p.m. CST
I liked Dark Knight Returns as much as anybody - but haven't we had enough of the "dark, brooding, no sense of humor, death ninja" Batman comics? I'm not saying the movie needs to go back to Adam West Camp or (shudder) Joel Shumaker Ice Capades, but come on, isn't the whole point of dressing up like a bat and beating the piss out of criminals a way of purging those demons? Some of you above are right - Batman WAS originally very Dark. But that's the point: BATMAN was dark. Bruce Wayne drank, smoked, dated, and even managed to crack a joke once in a while while running Wayne Industries. That's why the "does it come in black" line is so encouraging. As for Dark Knight Returns, I think Miller's WHOLE POINT was that when Batman retired, Bruce Wayne went a little nuts because he wasn't out there kicking the crap out of street thugs anymore. And it seems like every person who's written Batman comics since DKR came out never understood that.
April 28, 2005, 10:12 p.m. CST
I understand not liking an artist or a writer (everyone hates somebody), but if you say they're not good at writing or drawing, you should be able to demonstrate that you can do better. If you can't draw or write yourself, you should admit that it's just a matter of taste. Any links so we can sample your work?
April 28, 2005, 10:16 p.m. CST
but Bruce never really drank or smoked. He only pretended to keep up his disguise. All the drinks he took were either non-alcoholic or he secretly poured them out so that he could always keep his head clear.
April 28, 2005, 10:21 p.m. CST
I think the best version of the joker to be in the next movie should be Mark Hamill's. His Joker is perfect in everyway. Hmmm...maybe HE should play the Joker.... He isn't THAT old. Actually... Joker is suppose to be around late 40s to early 50s... which is how old Mark is... "That's it... That's what I like to see... A NICE BIG SMILE".-Mark Hamill's Joker right before he kills an old man and puts a bomb inside him in BATMAN: MASK OF THE PHANTASM.
April 28, 2005, 10:22 p.m. CST
The cost of not having superpowers is that you have to be constantly focused, serious, and diciplined. That kind of mentality will always come of as dark, brooding, and humorless.
April 28, 2005, 10:31 p.m. CST
I agree that Hamill's joker was great. However, he doesn't have to face to pull off the character. But then again not many people do. And to those that do, my condolences
April 28, 2005, 10:33 p.m. CST
No, I won't show you any drawings because they're too good for your puny eyes. Suffice to say they are better than Frank Miller's. You know why? Because I haven't drawn any. That means they're better.
April 28, 2005, 10:41 p.m. CST
Hard to argue with that, bintman. But you should be careful criticizing stuff that you have no experience in or real knowledge of, otherwise people might think...well, that you're, you know...a silly little boy.
April 28, 2005, 10:56 p.m. CST
Indeed, that trailer is what is defined as... THE SHIT. We really might have, for the first time in live action, a REAL Batman villain. That makes me giddy as a hamster in a trick-or-treat bag! I really would like to see some Oldman action though. Oh, and as a SUV hating, tree hugger with a few shads of the hippy in me, (not to mention some wild nights with some FINE ass trees) I would just like to say that the Bat Mobile is scarlett Johansson grad A SEXY. So go whip it out to a hungry yak calf. Scatter-gun bashing would be worst thing since trolls if it weren't for the fact that it is so often done BY trolls. Anyway, film looks good. A great summer I foresee. Peace.
April 28, 2005, 11:42 p.m. CST
You idiot. If I was gay I'd be delighted with the new Superman suit. But I'm not gay. But I am delighted with the new Superman suit. And I like Batman's abs. I am gay. Wait. Hold on one second. Wait. Just hold on a second. You smell of poo poo and wee wee. That, I think, is what my original point was before I got confused. Are you confused? I suggest you are gender confused. Like one of those she-hes or "shims" that you see in Bangkok. Batman should go to Bangkok for an adventure. If Frank Miller drew a comic about Bangkok it'd be full of ladyboy whores with a heart of gold. He'd have a sub-section of the city where ladyboys run the roost, throwing fake Rolexes and factory-damaged Gap sweatshirts at enemies. "Nobody touches Glen or Glenda," one of his hard-bitten anti-heroes would say. And then someone would eat noodles. I have had twenty-one years experience drawing comic books. Let me tell you, they're a piece of piss. You just draw some big-titted fantasy figure sleeping in a slinky silk nightie and in slinky silk sheets. Then you get the hero to return with big large bandages on his muscular frame. The woman tends to his wounds. He does not pay attention to the woman because he is too cool. Instead, he has a monologue... IN HIS BRAIN. It goes something like this: "The city. So dark tonight. So teeming with scum. So... alive. The Buttchaser. I've never had an enemy with such prowess. Those feet. Those hands. Those... testicles. My God. Am I redundant? How can I beat him? Wait. Stop. You must beat him. Yeah... Look at yourself. You can beat him. You can. You must. For her. For her and for the baby inside of her. Yeah. You can do it." Let me tell you, it's like writing a fucking soap opera except without the skill.
BAT ABS!! SUPERCODPIECE!! sweet jesus... DC is making a comeback and all we have to talk about is how GAY everything is.... ridiculous!! the end of Marvel is NIGH!! let us rejoice!!!
April 29, 2005, 12:46 a.m. CST
Harry, surely this is a banning offense?
April 29, 2005, 12:54 a.m. CST
the talkbacks have been looking more and more like the big-boys.com message boards. But maybe that's what you were shootin for.
April 29, 2005, 12:54 a.m. CST
...want...to ignore...can't...why..? I will say that you're pretty funny. But your misguided animosity kills the comedy. If you found a target worthy of such venom, someone who isn't respected by his peers, like Jimmy Fallon or Tim Story, you might even be hilarious in a Patton Oswalt/Bill Hicks way (though not AS hilarious as them, because few are). Think of it this way. Even though you think Frank Miller sucks (Dave Sim's impression of him in Cerebus is spot on and hilarious), most every accoplished, highly respected comic book writer and artist think that he's brilliant. Even smart and funny people like you have sometimes got to admit that it's just a matter of taste. Cause if you can't, then you stop being "strange, annoying, but sometimes funny and smart" guy, and you become just another asshole. Don't be an asshole, bintman.
April 29, 2005, 1:15 a.m. CST
No one is going to take you seriously when you say that Miller sucks.Basically everyone in every industry loves miller. Every true batfan loves miller. Miller saved batman from the campy Adam West era with Dark Knight Returns and Year One. EVERYONE will tell you this. If you think you can write better than Miller, prove it. If you think you can draw better than Miller, prove it. Miller sucks? Millions and millions of comic sales tell me otherwise. And since I am a huge Miller fan I find what you say about him to be offensive and unjust. But you know what? I don't care, because you are just one stupid 8 year old talkbacker out of the millions of comic readers that love Miller like I do. Go blow your opinion out your ass, nutsack.
April 29, 2005, 1:22 a.m. CST
YOUR OPINION IS TOTAL SHIT AND NO ONE CARES!IF YOU DON'T LIKE MILLER, GREAT. JUST DON'T SAY THAT HE SUCKS BECAUSE YOU ARE IN THE VAST MINORITY OF THINKING THAT. INSTEAD HOW ABOUT YOU SAY "hi, i'm bintman. I don't like miller very much, but that is only my opinion." THERE. WAS THAT SO HARD. IF YOU HAD ONLY DONE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE SAVED ALL THE OTHER TALKBACKERS FROM HAVING TO CHEW YOU OUT AND TELL YOU WHAT A ANNOYING PRICK YOU ARE. LOL
April 29, 2005, 1:32 a.m. CST
It must grate that you are being schooled by an 8-year old. Your comeback was the lamest I've seen in a long time. If I was Frank Miller and I saw your defence of me, I'd instantly vomit and vow never to write another book in my life because my fans are such witless cunts. You even finished off with a "LOL". Wonderful. Of course it is my opinion, you prick. What the fuck else is Talkback for? Quoting baseball statistics? Posting recipes? You fucking dipshit. Learn how to argue, you pathetic cunt. And if you think that slating Miller is "offensive" then you need a v-chip inserted on your cock. You fetid little mimsy.
April 29, 2005, 2:03 a.m. CST
why does Apple force you to download that crappy I-Tunes player to view trailers in Full Screen for??...
April 29, 2005, 2:05 a.m. CST
and the reason i put LOL is because i was laughing at you. you are a very funny and angry man. How am I being "schooled" by you? Did you run over to my house and kick my ass without me knowing? How was my defense of miller any more stupid than your offense of him? Atleast I have facts behind my arguments. Whatever Bintman. I guess it;s just that time of the month for you.
April 29, 2005, 2:38 a.m. CST
proper use of the word 'nigh': "i run bartertown's vagina is nigh!".. and TITUS, if you took two precious seconds of your oh so important life to browse the quicktime website, you would see that they offer a downloadable installer that DOES NOT install the i-tunes player... speaking of which- please give me these 30 seconds of my life back.
April 29, 2005, 10:18 a.m. CST
by Dog Of Mystery
But that Dark Knight 2 crap sucked big-time. Still annoyed they went for the same black rubber costume. Also, is this film in continuity with the previous series? Because if it is, why does Batman ditch the abilty to turn his neck? And will the next Batman film also be set before Burton's films? If they bring in the Joker or any of the villains from the 80s/90s movies, are we supposed to disregard their last screen appearance? Wait, I've turned into Comic-Book Guy.
April 29, 2005, 2:07 p.m. CST
If it was in continuity with the other series, I think it would be called "Batman Continues" instead of Batman Begins. Remember in the first movie (which had a few nice moments, but otherwise was simply horrible, thanks mostly to the screenplay), no one had heard of Bats before. And DK2 is good if you read it as a comedy. No, really.
Personally, i loved Burton's Batman films. However, i always thought that the Batman portrayed in by Adam West and in the comics in the late 80's/early 90's was far too much of a goody-two shoes. How about someone doing a film about Azrael?