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Sometimes he's a toothy vagina-mouthed monster, sometimes a fish-man - Now he's a Satyr in Del Toro's PAN'S LABYRINTH!
Hey folks, Harry here... Lonestarr is chiming in with the latest transformation that one of our modern Lon Chaney's is undertaking. Doug Jones will be playing the best on-screen Satyr since Tony Randall's in SEVEN FACES OF DR LAO - and this one has the best Satyr role written since Nicholson in THE WITCHES OF EASTWICK. I've had the pleasure of reading Guillermo Del Toro's next Spanish Language gothic fairy tale. This will complete a trilogy of Guillermo's own grim fairy tales that began with CRONOS continued with THE DEVIL'S BACKBONE and is carried through with PAN'S LABYRINTH which is most definitely the largest in scope. Think about LABYRINTH - but scary, no songs, a far younger more vulnerable girl, very real problems to be escaping from... and in this case a very real destiny - but whether it is a happy one or a tragic one... I'll leave that to you - but ponder back on Guillermo's Spanish fantasy films... both have been bittersweet and you better believe el Gordo hasn't been laying the cajeta in too thick. Doug's satyr, Pan isn't the only creature, and the creatures aren't the only monsters facing this little girl. Now - if only I could announce AT THE MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS as being in pre-production. Jesus, I want that film now.
Hey Harry,
Lonestarr here -
I'm the one who sent in the exterior
house/graveyard pics of the "Haunted Mansion" set over
a year ago, yada yada...I have some news that you guys
might find interesting. According to his website,
dougjones.topcities.com, everyone's favorite creature
actor and perhaps the coolest guy in the world, Doug
"Abe Sapien" Jones of "Hellboy" fame has been
personally cast by Guillermo Del Toro himself to play
the title role in his upcoming movie, "Pan's
Labyrinth". Doug will portray Pan, the fawn/satyr
(Half man-half goat in Greek mythology) that befriends
a troubled little girl during WWI, and will be shot
entirely in Spain. In fact, Doug is the only American
actor in the cast and he will have to learn how to
speak his Spanish dialogue phoenetically. According
to him, it is one of the most beautiful scripts he has
ever read, and is looking forward to the project.
He is currently filming "Benchwarmers" in SoCal with
Adam Sandler, and will shoot "Pan" in July/August. In
case some of you don't know, Doug was the moon-faced
"MacTonite" guy for McDonalds ads in the late 80's,
Billy Butcherson in "Hocus Pocus", Yee in "Warriors of
Virtue", one of the freaky floating gentlemen in that
acclaimed Buffy episode, among many others, is a
terrific actor and the nicest person you can ever
meet...
Here's hoping DelToro will make a wonderful children's
fantasy...
For now, Lonestarr out.
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Where do I get mine? I have credit card!
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You are living in a fantasy world if you think kids are going to read subtitles, sound more like a childish film made for us geeks, oh well as long as DelToro doesn't plan on making a ton of cash from this. Just my opinion.
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He was the fucking devil!
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Apr 25, 2005 7:15:48 AM CDT
but El Gordo said /here in Madrid) that this is a horror movie
by cuervojones
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Jeez, this flick was originally supposed to start filming in NOVEMBER 2004!! Then the financing fell through. New financing was secured. It was supposed to film in MARCH 2005. Then MAY 2005. And now JULY/AUGUST??? Will this damn thing EVER go before cameras? Why can't Guillermo del Toro not just make 8 films every year like Takashi Miike? *sigh* And I'm also still waiting for that MIMIC DIRECTOR'S CUT DVD that he has promised a while ago!
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Harry, you've got it all wrong. No one can eclipse Torgo from "Manos" The Hands of Fate.
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Apr 25, 2005 8:12:59 AM CDT
"Doug Jones will be playing the best on-screen Satyr since Tony
by hypeendshere
Can you see into my acting future and tell me how I will be the best __________ ever?
I wonder if this movie has a chance of getting a negative review? Also, Doug Jones IS NO CHANEY. You should know that in addition to acting, Chaney was a pioneer in the art of make-up. This Doug Jones is no more of a pioneer than the guy who was Predator and Harry from Harry and the Hendersons. -
Will this movie be comparable to a rim job?
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... or is it a typo? As for subtitles, went to see The Cowboy Bebop movie "Knocking of Heaven's Door" a year or two back in Australia and after the initial surprise of many in the audience that it was in Japanese with subtitles and not dubbed, everyone just shut up and watched it, so you never know ... Later on, saw the English dub of the movie and I have to say the ADVision people do better anime dubs into English than just about anyone else.
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Or whatever that film starring a pimple face Cruise-anator was called.
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It's not meant for illiterate American children. It's meant for Spanish speaking children and then later, when it's released in the States with subtitles, it'll be for the geeks like you.
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Apr 25, 2005 9:36:43 AM CDT
Saw Devil's Backbone just recently. I was impressed by how solid
by ole gravy leg
Just one of those well-rounded old timey feeling fun movies. Dude, it's amazing, it's crazy. I'll be looking forward to seeing this new one. Dude.
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Cronos and Devil's Backbone both starred kids but weren't exactly kiddie movies. I don't think he was saying this was gonna be Ladybugs or somethin. But if it actually is made for kids I got good news: they got kids now in Spain, Mexico and probaly at least one or two other spanish speaking countries.
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i didnt even know she played an instrument. i would jump on buffy's wagon anyday.
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You know, the film about old grandpa who got drunk one night and ended up doing one of his goats and the half man/half beast was the end result.
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Apr 25, 2005 11:10:16 AM CDT
Haven't really seen a good Satyr play since Euripides's Cyclops.
by cookylamoo
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In the article the film is refered to as a "Childrens Fantasy" at the end, I've never heard of Cronos or Devils backbone described that way? and I have no doubt that this film will do well in Spanish speaking countries but if the Key audience of this film is ten year olds then I doubt it would make the really big bucks that other kids films do in English speaking countries (Harry Potter etc) Maybe coming from the UK I've underestimated the amount of spanish speaking people in the US? (are all Texans & New Mexicans brought up bi-lingual?) My point is, it must be a real Labour of love for Del Toro if he's willing to lose potential Box Office in certain teritories (US/UK/Canada/Australia) Where the kids aren't used to films with Subs or Dubbed, in order to better satisfy the audiences of other countries who are more acustomed to dubs/subs (Spain/Mexico etc).
Unless of course it's not a kids movie at all and i'm reading too much into the term "Childrens Fantasy" This is a kids film right? -
They're the number one minority in America and the Spanish speaking population is getting bigger. It's not just Texas and New Mexico, but Arizona, Nevada, California, Florida, New York, New Jersey and now a days pretty much everywhere else. So I'm not saying it'll do better here than in Spain, or Latin America, but it won't do too bad either.
Social Studies Lesson Over.
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At least I don't think so. Run Lola Run, Goodbye Lenin, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, Hero and so on did huge business here, all subtitled, not dubbed. Apparently we're also the biggest foreign market for French films outside France (maybe it's per capita or some qualifier - however the sales here are disproportionate to our population size and it's considered very important to the french marketing departments). Also, we have foreign movies which are subtitled every day on free to air TV on one of the government run stations. So, you could say a lot of us are used to it.
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Apr 25, 2005 12:03:25 PM CDT
Did you all know that the 1st Friday the 13th was in 1911?
by nice marmot
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That
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Subtitles for kids is my point. I didn't start watching films with subs until I was about 14 (Delicatessen I remember) nobody else my age was watching these films yet. Do todays English speaking kids watch films with subs in large numbers?, because he could be missing out on a huge Potential Market if it is a classic childrens fantasy.
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1. The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to their literal meaning.
2. An expression or utterance marked by a deliberate contrast between apparent and intended meaning.
EXAMPLE: "On his way to a job interview at the Humane Society, Bob hit a dog with his car." -
Nah, Doug Jones is no Lon Chaney, not by any stretch; however, he's a pretty terrif prosthetics performer. He has terrific movement and expression in his body. I always look forward to his work. And no, I'm not a friggin' plant.
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Del Toro is making it for the huge SPANISH speaking world market, not just one language Norte Amercanos. My hometown of Mexico City alone has a population of 20,000,000+. The film is being made with Mexican & Spanish money and strong Latino sensibilities. IT IS A SPANISH MOTION PICTURE!!! The English speaking is simpily the cream on the cobbler, you can take it or leave it, although admittedly it is superior with the cream. It is great that Del Toro (unlike many Mexican writer-directors that make good) has not forgotten his roots, where he came from, and the public that brought him to the world's biggest stage. He is an inspiration to 10s of thousands of Latino movie-loving kids. And is looked upon a a god of sorts in the massive Spanish speaking countries around the world. As for coping Buffy... NOT HARDLY this script was written years ago, in Mexico, before Buffy even existed...
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You're pretty much just saying that foreign films shouldn't be made because they're not American. Basically, you're confused right now. It's crazy, man. It's nuts.
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Taegugki was about the Korean War, for a Korean audience and made a lot of money in Korea (estimated 1 in 4 people saw it in the country). Also went on to be a big hit in the Asian region. Made about 4 or 5 times its budget in gross takings. English speaking market ... much much less in comparison. Still made a lot of money.
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I think what they mean by "children's fantasy" is that the movie may be told through the point of view of a child but will appeal to adults. "The Devil's Backbone" was told through the eyes of young orphans during the Spanish Civil War and it was a fantastic movie. As for the subtitles, I prefer them to dubbing because I can hear the inflection in the voices. I think most of us Americans can handle them. Course being Hispanic I have an advantage over you gringos. Heh-heh. ( I say this with love of course )
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*sigh*
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Are we talking about Mexicans the parts of the US than the US took from Mexico or the parts of the US that weren't ever part of Mexico but previously belonged to someone else, or the whole continent which belonged to Native Americans, who may well have taken it from someone else for all I know or Neanderthal Man or Cro Magnon man or ... Lets kill this one stone dead before it starts onto the debate about how many people from south of the US border do jobs no-one else does and pay taxes - but they cause more crime - no they don't and so on ... Talkback about a Spanish language film - not immigration policy - focus!
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My point was that Del Toro could make more money but has CHOSEN not to. If its not a kids film then it makes hardly any difference either way,
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Yes, films are dubbed all over the world, or were you thinking europeans kids learn english just so they can watch american films? No, 10 year olds won't notice the difference and by the time they care about lip sync they'll be old enough to watch them in original version.
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Call me nuts, but I think American elementary schools still haven't sunk so much in quality yet that the average ten-year-old can't read. Yet.
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Apr 25, 2005 3:07:50 PM CDT
I seem to remember seeing a subtitled Red Ballon when I was in e
by big bad clone
It could have dubbed, but there isn't much said in that movie. Funny thing about dubbing, I saw Kung Fu Hustle on Friday and thought it was great that guys coming out of the movie were quoting it (n English that is). I'm going to try subtitled films on my kids to see how they adapt to it.
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Apr 25, 2005 3:43:51 PM CDT
Tonay, you walked into that one. Don't get mad, it was funny.
by tv casualty
Give credit where it's due.
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And I gotta go with either "Hush" or "Once More With Feeling".
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...but "Hush" is fucking great.
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I think I meant to say ... are we talking about Mexicans who are illegal immigrants in parts of the US that were once parts of Mexico, or Mexicans who are illegal immigrants in parts of the US that were never part of Mexico ... Not exactly sure what I wrote earlier but then again, I can barely read now, let alone write after being awake all nice.
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all night I mean!
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One of the greatest moments on tv ever! Band candy is also great!
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I hear you bud. I see what you're saying. I think the misconception though is that Mr. Of the Bull would make a movie like this for American audiences. Like somebody else said, he is Mexican and while he has had success in Hollywood he seems to like going back every movie or two to make one for Spanish language audiences. If you've seen Devil's Backbone you can see how this type of movie simply couldn't or at least shouldn't be made in English with American audiences in mind. It's not that type of party. That's one thing I like about the dude, he's got these two styles that are so different. To answer your question about subtitles, though - they are becoming more common in American multiplexes (Kung Fu Hustle for example) but no, not in movies for kids. (The miyazaki pictures for example are dubbed when they play in most american theaters.)
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Apr 26, 2005 4:08:30 AM CDT
" attach them to a trailer hitch, and drag their naked bodies ba
by docpazuzu
I was wondering when the scumsucking racist troglodytes would be coming out of the woodwork.
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Thank you for displaying exactly the type of mental deficiency which prohibits you from making any type of distinction between disagreements on policy and sheer racist idiocy. The fact is that I have a lot of problems with the current status of immigration policy in the United States. However, that doesn't make me a racist. You on the other hand, by using terms like "spics", demonstrate that you hate hispanics whether they're in the United States legally or not, and thus you're a racist scumbag. Maybe if you read this post reeeaaaaaal slow you'll understand the difference. Cretin.
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Apr 26, 2005 8:12:02 AM CDT
Uh, Harry: I direct your attention to ForeverTJ's racist spew ab
by noriko takaya
Ask yourself if "wetbacks, spics, bean eaters border jumpers, illegal immigrants" manages to fall somewhere in the listing of "Blatant abuse, personal attacks, OFF-TOPIC BS, cross-posting, blatant advertising, and hate speech" which is supposed to be fodder for deletion. I'll wait.
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I like Japanese and Korean movies so much that I've been learning both for the last few years. Unfortunately I have to admit I'm not very good at either of them. I do not have the knack for it. English, not being a particularly easy language to learn can cause trouble for some people who try to learn it. If you try learning a foreign language as an English speaker, you'll see what I mean and it's important to keep this in mind before attacking people for their English skills. I agree, however that if anyone moves to any other country where they speak a language you don't know and it's the national language, you should at least try to learn it. Also, I'm with Noriko Takaya on what she says too.
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and it certainly aint clever...Smell ya later you facist pig.
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Look at his film list onIMDb. What a great list of character names.
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Heh... Loathe though I am to add anything to such a profoundly telling line, I'll do so anyway because it amuses me. Proving your imbecility once again (as well as giving decent conservatives a bad name), you fail to grasp the concept of someone actually being able to criticize government policies without resorting to racial hatred. I'd normally almost feel bad taking advantage of someone so monumentally stupid as yourself, but you've shown yourself to be such a hateful little piece of shit that I'm actually enjoying making you my bitch in this talkback. As for "letting me" have the last word, well... I'm just dumbstruck with gratitude. The fact is your despicable racist ass is only a few hours away from being banned (again) so that's not much of a stretch on your part now is it? Cowardly little bitch that you are, you'll come back under a new name but be too frightened to continue a battle of wits which, granted, you are far too ill-equipped to wage. Tool.
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...must be a an experimental computer program on some government server. It's all part of a covert effort to develop ultra-conservative A.I. so the government can be run by computers while the elected officials take vacations. But the programmers keep running into the same problem: Computers are too logical. If the program adheres to the parameters defined as "traditional christian family values," "conservative economic policies" and "unflinching patriotism," everything it outputs reads like the deranged typing of a rabid monkey with banana smeared on its keyboard. Unfortunately, most Americans probably won't notice the difference.
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Guys, guys, guys, apply the fire hoses and take a deep breath. Forever TJ, I don't know where you live, but I lived in El Paso, TX for about 4 years, so I would think my opinion may matter. Not being Hispanic, I can say that I saw positive and negative aspects of people who live in that area, but everywhere you go there are people like that. There are Caucasians that abuse the welfare system as well, not just minorities, and not every single minority person at that. You just can't generalize!! You may wonder why some people around the world hate Americans, well, it is because they make generalizations and stereotypes by observing the way people like you ramble on. Go to Santa Fe, visit La Masilla in Las Cruces, or go to El Paso. I am not making excuses for illegal aliens, Hispanic or not, just give the good parts of the culture a chance!!!!! DocPazazu, you are obviously an intelligent guy. If you come across a guy like Forever TJ, use your talents to talk with him/her. Remember, with great power comes great responsibility. . . .
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First off, Krullboy is fucking funny. Second, All of TJ's talking points is from a rather smart crazy man, named Michelle Savage. Either that or he really is a computer program, and in that case the goverment waisted some money.
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With people like TJ the only responsibility I feel is to swing the baseball bat hard enough.
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what retard came up with that nugget?
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