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CELEBRATION is had by many a STAR WARS geek! Lucas talks! Footage shown! Details here!
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Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with more from CELEBRATION. Lots and lots of good stuff here, including talk of continuing the CLONE WARS cartoons (YAY!), a Willow TV series (whaaa?), the Star Wars TV series, INDIANA JONES 4, 3-D STAR WARS and a description of the 6 minutes from ROTS that screened (that's the very last one since it's full of spoilery detail). Read below to hear from the fans!
Harry,
This news may have found its way to you already.
I have spent the last three days at Star Wars Celebration III and this morning I was lucky enough to find my way into the ballroom where George Lucas was speaking. For the most part it was a question and answer session with the man himself, but there were some good questions asked and answered. The one I felt was most important dealt with the future of Star Wars on television. Lucas said that there were plans in the works to continue with the Clone Wars as half hour episodes on the Cartoon Network (applause erupted at this point, but I think underneath all of the clapping I heard Lucas say it was going to be 3-D animated, but there was a lot of applause so I could have been hearing things). He also commented on the live action future as well. He said that the whole project was probably about 2 years out, but that they wanted to get a full season of scripts written before production would start (like they did on Young Indiana Jones). He also said that the series would take place between Episodes 3 and 4. At a later edition of the 6 minute Sith montage (awesome by the way) Rick commented on the TV show as well, saying that there was a plan for 100 episodes (queue applause).
Finally, someone asked about the chances of films dealing with the Knights of the Old Republic to which Lucas stated that if the first planned TV series was a success there were opportunities to do series set at all different times out side of the saga...
That is all I have, hope it is useful. If you use this call me Pickle Loa
One hundred episodes? Characters from the Original Trilogy? Damn, that's ambitious! And more CLONE WARS!!! Tartakovsky's work on the CLONE WARS has been phenomenal. Matter of fact, it's set a high bar for Lucas with EPISODE 3. Tartakovsky made the Jedi like we all thought they would be. The best at the top of their game... And he even made the Clone Troopers badass! Anyway, here is another report that has more info on the TV series, including something about WILLOW.
Hey Harry,
Long time lurker, first time emailer... Incredible site BTW, keep up the excellent work!
We saw Georgie at Celebration 3 today. Not too much info but he did say a few things.
a. They are wanting to do a Willow TV series...
b. They are looking into the Star Wars TV series as you know.. he said
it will be based between episodes 3 & 4 and that there will be character(s)
from the OT in it.. (in a kind of well theres not going to be.... well
..wait...pauses.. thinks....yeah there is going to be way). They will need
to have the first years scripts written out like the young indiana jones
scripts were.
c. He just got the new script for Indiana Jones and he has yet to read it.
and thats about it... nothing else except it was absolutely insane today
at the convention.....
if you use this call me Z
Here's another look at everything, including a confirmation of the arrival of the YOUNG INDIANA JONES CHRONICLES on DVD at some point and more details on the rest of the celebration!
Harry,
Long time fan, first time writer. I have spent the weekend at the MADHOUSE called Star Wars Celebration III held at the Indiana Convention Center in downtown Indianapolis. It was the funnest convention I have ever attended. There were hundreds of volunteer workers dressed in full Storm Trooper and Clone Trooper armor, full bounty hunter armor, and the various uniforms (Tie Fighter, Rebel Pilot, Imperial Officers, etc.) There were gorgeous women dressed in the Princess Leia Metal Bikinis from Episode VI, and there was even a sort of pageant for those gorgeous women in those bikinis. I've never seen 30 beautiful women all dressed in that outfit in the same room, but I digress.
But to the good stuff. I waited in line from midnight until 10am Saturday morning to get into the 30 minute Q&A with the Jedi master himself, George Lucas. Two teenagers came out to introduce the man, after he was already introduced by Jay Laga'aia. But it turned out that the two teenagers were actually George's children, so that was touching. So, here was Georges answers to various questions:
* The Young Indiana Jones chronicles will come out on DVD.
* All Six Star Wars movies will hopefully be released in digital 3D in digital theaters, based on the ten minutes of A New Hope a 3D company did for them.
* There will be new Star Wars: Clone Wars animated shows dealing with spin-offs of characters from Vol. 1.
* There will be a Star Wars live-action TV series coming out sometime in the future, the subject of which he did not discuss.
I also got into the "Rick McCallum Spectacular," which I knew I wanted to see because I saw it at Celebration II, where he showed part of the seen where Yoda and Count Dooku duel from Episode II, which was before it was released in theaters. This time he showed the 6 minute montage that Mr. Bootles mentioned in his earlier article. It had an excellent sound track that Rick said they just "threw it together from sound effects" solely for this montage. The montage and soundtrack is purely inexplainable. You just have to see this film to get it. Rick also had a Q&A, and here is what I gleamed from that:
* A script has been accepted for Indiana Jones 4, but Steven Spielberg's schedule is pretty tight.
* Someone asked if the montage was going to be included in the Episode III DVD, and Rick was like, "Uh, I don't... Uh..." which was met with every mouth in the room erupting with various deafening, but positive, noises. After which, Rick merely said, "Uh, sure. Ok. Since you feel that way, it'll be on the DVD," or something to that effect.
* Someone asked what it was like working with George Lucas, and Rick's answer was good, just that the most horrifying things he's lived through are when George shows up for work and says, "What if we did this..."
I hope I was at least a little informative.
Polyarnyy
Now here we have the detail from the presentation reel for REVENGE OF THE SITH. I've only read a couple of the points as I'm trying to know as little detail about the film as possible... but the description of Yoda and the Clone Troopers... Sounds so great... My mantra keeps going strong... "Don't fuck this up... Please don't fuck this up..."
Hey guys, just back from a couple days at CIII. Hadn't been to the last two so I can't compare but will let you in on a few things I noticed. First of all, Started to wait in line at 5:45 in the morning on Friday. There were already about 1,500-2,000 other freaks in front of me. Just fuckin' crazy I tell you, crazy. Anyway we made our way in...blah, blah, blah. A couple things that were VERY cool. (1) Star Wars in 30 minutes. If anyone has a chance to see this performance, do so. Very funny and well worth the 40 minutes we waited in line for it. (2) the 6-7 minutes of all new footage that was shown just blew people away. We are talking some of the best action sequences in any SW movie. Just a few high points:
- You get a really good look at Grevious several times but the one that stood out was when he is chasing Obi-Wan and Grevious is in his Wheel. This chase sequence is fast and very intense.
- The space battle is on a scale we have never seen before. Much more color and detail. When the ship explode, you actually see the droids or troopers fly out into space. Sometimes in pieces. Very cool effects.
- They showed several scenes of the clones turing against the Jedi. There is a close-up of Yoda in one of trailers where all you see is his face then you see pupils dialate. They show the rest of this scene and There are Clonetroopers behind him that are raising the guns in preparation for gunning him down. He senses this (close-up of his face), then spins around with his lightsaber and takes like three of them down with one swoop. Awesome scene.
- Another eerie scene has Anakin in a room, eyes red, and you see him using the force to shut all the doors in the room. They don't show who else is in the room but you can tell he's about to kick some ass.
- Another expander scene is the fight beteen Yoda and Palpatine in the Senate chamber. In the trailer you see palpatine use the force to throw one of the hover seats at Yoda like a frisbee. What you don't see is that Yoda uses the force to stop it within inches of his head, he then uses his own power to start spinning the thing and shoves is back at Palpatine. Looks much cooler than I can ever describe it.
- They also showed a scene of Yoda just getting his ass kicked by Palpatine. Thought it was odd that the crowd actually cheered when they saw this. I is an intense scene but Yoda really take it hard.
- Fanboys who are obsessed with clonetroopers are going to love this film. I couldn't even keep track of the different trypes of troopers there seem to be in the movie.
- There are five different lightsaber battle in this film and the footage we saw showed a bit of all of them. Seemed to show the most of the Anakin/Obi Wan lava battle. Looks awesome. I read in the latest Entertainment Weekly that Spielberg had some input on this sequence. Like I said, what I saw looks great.
Like other posters have already mentioend, there was no dialogue or regular SW music played during the footage. Someone said that the music playing was from Van Helsig. I couldn't tell you if it was or not though. They movie LOOKS great and has me pretty psyched up for the release but I have to keep in mind once you add the story and dialogue, all bets are off the table.
A couple more things about CIII that are either very sad, or very funny. Depends on who you are. The CIII store closed at Approx. 10:00 Fri. morning. That means that if you were not a fan club member, you couldn't buy anything from the store becasue you couldn't get in until 10 in you weren't a member. At that point the line was marked at six hours. SIX FREAKIN' HOURS!!!!! C'mon people do you really need a Vader figure THAT bad? We were one of the first few thousand in line so we waited about one hour and fifteen minutes to get our figures. That was too long for me. We were talking to a couple in front of us in line for the figure. They told us that they just walked up to the will call office, picked up their badge at 9:00 and walked right in. Basically people who had their badges sent to them got screwed and had to wait in line while the will call people got to sleep in and and have no line. Pissed some people off but you know what? It was our choice to wait in line, nobody made us.
The last part I wanted to tell you about is actually very funny. Or at least I think it is. As you know Lucas was going to have 3 half hour Q&A sessions Sat. morning. People starting linging up for these Sat. evening. They had to wait outside. It was cold, and it rained ALL night. When we were waling back from Hotters at 1:00 A.M., there had to be at least 1,000 people standing in the rain to see the maker. Everyone thought that this is what it was going take in order to be able to see him. I call them insane. Anyway, driving home to Columbus today I get a call from two people saying that they walked right into the second session. No waiting. No getting up early. Easy as that. Stupid bastards sat out all night in the rain for something they could have walked into.
Now thats funny.
Stu Pedaso
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Anyone told Val about this Willow stuff?
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Apr 24, 2005 3:07:52 AM CDT
Do fanboys still need to have the action figures that bad?
by monkeybrains
Fools waiting hours in line for a Darth Tater, when you can go down to Wal-Mart and see them all on the shelves. Oh that's right, you need one with the lowest number, so that when you try to sell it on E-Bay in a few years you can make 5 bucks. Just like the idiots waiting on line 3 months in advance, and at the wrong theater! Your an embarrassment to your families!
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Apr 24, 2005 3:10:08 AM CDT
No, Geddy does not get the props for the Clone Wars. It's calle
by lordenigma
The Clone Wars would be nothing without Lucas' two cents. That great series does not exist without the man. It's that simple. Hate him all you want, but the man has pulled all sorts of Whedon-esque storytelling in the disliked by some ****s prequel. I will leave you with this; "Jedis cant be killed." "I wish that were true." Choke on that...
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My girlfriend will be very happy to hear that! A bit strange though that only one preson mentions it (on the other hand, with all the cool SW-news, maybe most people don't give a rat's ass about that peck).
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Apr 24, 2005 3:19:05 AM CDT
It's gonna be funny at future SW conventions to see those geeks
by orionsangels
Cool report guys! I hope the TV series isn't like those fanmade movies that take place in the woods. That remind you of the Hercules TV series.
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. . . is not a good idea.
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It would be easier to pull off than a Star Wars-series: 1) it would visually match the movie perfectly, even without a huge budget, 2) the actors from the movie would all be glad to star in the show (minus Kilmer), 3) the story doesn't have to be epic like SW
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Or not, that was what I was hoping for, because it would explain a lot.
Glad for the series, glad for the toon, but anyone expecting "Revenge of the Sith" to be good is in for a fucking major letdown, unless they're one of those fucking blind apologists who will lick Lucas' dirty, money grubbing asshole and say, "Please, sir. Can I have some more?"
I cannot wait until opening day. That's always my favorite time to read the internet, right after a "Star Wars" flick opens. The bitter hatred and division of a once solid fan community make my dick hard. So learn some big words and get ready to rant and rave, because I'm expecting a good show of spiteful shit that I couldn't possibly dream up if I tried.
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What's in the movie-theater? Only what you take with you.
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A Willow series? I have heard that there was a sequel novel that my friend had read, but as he described it to me, it didn't appeal to me at all. I dunno, I like the movie, have the DVD, but it's not something I care to revisit in a TV series or movie series, sorry.
As to Indiana Jones, I feel like that project is dead. The hype was great a while back and the DVD sets were a delight, but it's just taken TOO LONG!!! And lastly, STAR WARS: TV SERIES... a 3D clone troopers series interests me, a live-action series between episodes 3 and 4 interest me (heck, bring in Brian Daly from the delightful Radio Dramas to help script it... if he's still around), BUT I REALLY WANT TO SEE THE CONTINUING ADVENTURES OF LUKE SKYWALKER. I'd like to see Mark Hamill as a Jedi Master with R2 and C3PO reprising their roles. A cameo of Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher would be nice with Peter Mayhew as Chewbacca playing with their kids. If it doesn't happen, so be it, I can dream in the meantime.... Well, I am becoming more and more optimistic with each passing week... here's hoping Episode 3 will be a fun and intense (and even dark and suspenseful) ride. -
Now, Bobby, don't sit next to him on the bus......he might bite.
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Apr 24, 2005 5:12:07 AM CDT
THEY'RE MAKING A STAR WARS EPISODE 3??!!! WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN??
by prevert
I am shocked. Shocked and confused.
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Apr 24, 2005 5:26:53 AM CDT
A Willow TV series? Why, that's the best idea Lucas has had sinc
by prevert
..Howard the Duck!!! Lucas:"This is gonna be big. Mark Hamill big!"
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Make the TV series about the KOTOR time period. The Skywalker timeline is done and should be retired. Am I the only one who finds this concept of what happens between Episodes III and IV trite, boring and tepid? The KOTOR time period gives you so much more freedom in terms of a TV series. You're not restrained by what has already happened and the huge expectations of your audience. Plus, you can work with so many more Jedi. It's so ripe with possibilities it's surprising to me that they wouldn't think of it to use first.
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Hell no! But, I've read the book, I've read the graphic novel and it doesn't matter HOW PRETTY IT IS, the story bullshit. The reason Anakin turned to the Dark Side is so incredibly fucking stupid. Not to mention his actions directly before and after the Jedis go to arrest Palpatine. Then when he finally gets the power and makes his big reveal as to why he wanted it to Padme, what he does then will make your fucking brain hurt! Not to mention his scramble toward the end to tie up all the loose ends, (which he doesn't) and it's just....it breaks my fucking heart is what it does.
It's piss poor storytelling, absolutely weak ass shit. This movie exists to do one thing and one thing only: SELL SOME FUCKING TOYS AND COLORING BOOKS! (Possibly some tickets and some DVD's, but you never know.)
This chapter is fucking lazy and for the turning point in the "Star Wars" saga? I would stop watching about halfway through because it isn't worth my time. -
Apr 24, 2005 5:59:23 AM CDT
I think it should be called Star Wars Episode 3: Mission to Mosc
by prevert
"Rise, brother!!"
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It's collaborative, not collaboritive. Maybe you should learn to look things up yourself so you wouldn't look like a fool with your poor grammar skills.
As for the last reporter who relished in the suffering of those standing in line in the rain...what a hypocritical dick. No wonder he has no friends and lives in his Mother's garage. Pathetic. -
..I've read the book, and I'm NOT going to spoil it for anybody else. All I will say is this is the movie that puts the previous two in the prequel trilogy into perspective and they become a cohesive whole.
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Not that I disagree with your point about the man living in his mother's basement, but it's kind of funny that you pick on someone else's grammar (actually his problem is his spelling) and then fuck up by capitalizing mother when you shouldn't.
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The original trilogy indicated that Anakin was just some prick who wanted quick and easy power but the real story is a lot deeper than that. Everything in the past movies leads up to it. He was too old to be trained, too old to be able to adhere to the first rule of the Jedi, no attatchments. Palpatine uses that. He promises that Anakin need not watch anyone else he cares about die. Anakin believes that Palpatine is the only one who really understands and accepts him and that makes him Palpatine's slave long before he becomes Vader. So it's easy for Palpatine to convince Anakin that the Jedi, which Anakin never really liked in the first place, are traitors. What winds up happening makes him more of a tragic character than the bad ass sociopath killer he's made out to be in the OT. I think that's what some people have a problem with but it's a lot better story, IMO. .....or say fuck it and watch the 70th incarnation of Batman instead, I don't care.
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The only Willow series I want is one with Alyson Hannigan...with actual penetrative sex, natch...
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Well finally! Its about time! I've been waiting for news on a new spinoff! Willow wouldn't have been my first pick for a show but- hold on, what?? This isn't Buffy's Willow??? A TV series based on the Willow movie? Willow had her own movie besides American Pie? What?? You mean that old movie about midgets and fairies, and magic, and guys with swords?? Oh THAT Willow... eh, not interested, sorry.
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...though I didn't mind Sean Patrick Flannery as young Indy (the younger kid was fucking awful though, I mean I'm talking Jake Lloyd bad), the show was just so...damn...ass numbingly...tedious...and lacked any real sense of fun and adventure whatsoever. A real dud in my opinion. I sure hope that whoever they get to do this eventual Star Wars live action tv series doesn't screw that up as well. It has potential, I just hope they get a show runner and a bunch of quality tv writers that can help it realise that potential. We shall see...if it ever happens that is. **************************************************************************** A Willow tv show huh? Personally I'm about as interested in that as I am about ever watching the crappy overblown Willow movie again, as in not at all, but the film did have it's fans, so it might find a niche...kinda doubt it though. One thing's for sure though, there will be lots more midgets in jobs if this thing gets made, maybe even (the superb) Michael J Anderson might grab a role and do some slumming if the excellent Carnivale doesn't get picked up for a much deserved third season. I'm sure someone out there (apart from Warwick Davis) is excited by the idea of a Willow tv series, it's just not me thats all. **************************************************************************** As for Episode 3, I really hope Lucas somehow nails this one. Even if not quite hitting it right out of the park, then at least slapping it for a strong home run. At this point I don't have faith, but I do have hope, and nothing would please me more than to have this "final" installment absolutely kick my ass. We shall see.
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Apr 24, 2005 9:24:57 AM CDT
I can't believe I'm going to be away from London for this...
by yodas_dad
...I haven't been out of the country for 6 years. Now I'm gonna miss this.
:(
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Apr 24, 2005 9:32:28 AM CDT
Luca$h sucks! He raped my childhood! I'm not going to see ROTS
by talkbackercliche
That'll show him!
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I'm weak, I broke down and read the novel. Right now I think the visuals for this movie will be the best we've ever seen, but I will have to wait and see how some key scenes play on the big screen before I can judge the story. The scenes between Anakin and Palpatine and Anakin and Padme will be key as they fall in the second act and this is where the other two films had trouble-great action sequences, but bogged down with political galactic senate babble (first rule of film making: show don't tell.)
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Not the hot wicca one then, I gather.
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Apr 24, 2005 10:34:17 AM CDT
How many Star Wars convention news postings do we need on AICN?
by iamlegolas
Just wondering. Meanwhile, AICN is missing the boat on some cool KONG stuff, including possible shots from the movie, that's been up for a couple of days already, found here: http://www.kongisking.net/perl/newsview/17/1113850538
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oh lord, WHO was asking for this?
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I thought was the talkback for CIII? Actually, it
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I saw the original Series back in the theaters but somehow Lucas DID NOT rape my childhood. I've never been to a convention, never dressed up as a character, heck I don't think I own any Star Wars toys at the moment. Not counting video games, have a bunch of those and I also have a "Han Shot First T-shirt. So I'm not a complete nerd. However I liked Episode I and II and I'm looking forwards to episode III and any possible TV series.
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...what's with all the Willow hate? Stupid daikinis...
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Which no one really was, but I'll bring it up anyway, was it just me or did anyone else find the longer episodes disappointing compared to the series of "micro episodes"? I mean it wasn't bad or anything, but it wasn't all that either, and after how surprisingly cool and entertaining much of the micro run of Clone Wars cartoons was (minus a couple of dud installments) I was really pumped to see what they could do storywise with the longer episode format, but it just didn't quite get there for me. It had a few nice moments here and there, but nothing compared to some of the stuff in the first (two) series. Just wondering what other people thought of the Clone Wars toon?
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Any show between episodes 3 & 4 just dilutes what the distance between those episodes means. When we watch episode 4 we are MEANT to wonder what the fuck went on during those 17 (or whatever) years between eps. The timeline isn't meant to be filled in! The transition is so great from Threepio and Artoo on the Tantive at the end of ROTS (that's a spoiler if you didn't know) to the same place at the opening of ANH. I hope the series doesn't feature Vader, Palpatine or a young Luke or Leia. The first time we see them is supposed to be in ANH (and the Emperor later on). Vader in a TV series would lose all his power. If anything, we should hear Vader and the Emperor mentioned by people with frightened whispers, but never see them. I'm betting that this live-action series is going to be based around Boba Fett (The Young Boba Chronicles?) and features a young Han and Lando, possibly charting how Chewie becomes friends with Han. I would have preferred a Jedi series post-ROTJ with Mark Hamill.
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Seriously, how many fantasy-shows are out there? Apart from Hercules and Xena, I can't think of any. I think the Willow-universe has lots of potential for some fun stories. But Willow is geared more towards kids than Star Wars, so I guess that's why everybody's acting so tough.
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The movies are too epic to match on TV. So what are we left with? Buffy/Angel dressed up as Star Wars? Besides, lots of people here seem to despise what Lucas did with the prequels. Those took him years and years of work! How can he make a TV-series that does please?
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Apr 24, 2005 2:57:41 PM CDT
"I also have a "Han Shot First T-shirt. So I'm not a complete ne
by hypeendshere
Brilliant.
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Lucas: "I was actually just talking to Warwick Davis backstage, and we were communing on the possibility, wouldn't it be wonderful to someday do a Willow TV series. I can't say that we'll do that, but, [Lucasfilm] is moving into television, and a lot of ideas are popping up."
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i agree with performingmonkey, if the series has to take place between eps. 3 and 4, its gotta be about how han rescued chewie, met lando, won the falcon, got involved with jabba, etc. and i'm sure esb is not the first time he and boba fett met. the new empire should just serve as a back drop. i mean really, what did vader do between 3 and 4? in ep. 4 we were kinda led to believe he was always on the lookout for jedi to kill, or at least always battling someone. but all that happens in ep. 3. apparently he just spent his young adulthood chasing down jerks who keep stealing his bosses' shit. a grumpy corporate monkey hurdling towards 40 wondering where is children are. and wearing a "han shot first" shirt is nerdier than dressing up as darth maul and playing out a plastic lightsaber rape fantasy with your wife dressed up as mon mothma. not...that i've done that.
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Apr 24, 2005 3:36:15 PM CDT
A live action show that details the rise of rebellion would be g
by bong
I'm sure Yoda and Obi just didnt sit around for 20 some year. I think a show that detailed their hidden...behind-the-scenes escapades would be entertaining. Either that or a KOTOR based series...
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Don't front. You all loved Willow, admit it.
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Apr 24, 2005 3:39:15 PM CDT
"I'm sure Yoda and Obi just didnt sit around for 20 some year."
by docpazuzu
Actually, I think that's exactly what they did while waiting for the Skywalker kids to grow up. The rebellion was started without the help of the remaining jedi.
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And I've taken time at work to sit and read not the Episode III novelization, but Last of the Jedi #1. It's a young reader book and it got my interest because it focuses on Obi-Wan after Episode 3, and his search for a thought-dead Jedi. I bring this up because it seems, in the book, to focus somewhat on the beginnings of the rebellion. Any SW series between Episode 3 and 4 should focus on the rising of rebellion against the Empire, and MAYBE feature brief cameos from main characters.
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Apr 24, 2005 4:38:06 PM CDT
mrfantasto, Please tell me Bob & Tom were not involved in any of
by harrisonsdad
I used to work with those guys back when they were just on Q-95 and it wouldn't surprise me if a production assistant or two tried to get them to do some remotes. I moved to a colder region north of Indy years ago.
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Apr 24, 2005 5:00:18 PM CDT
Yeah, I don't think a show between III and IV would be as cool a
by iamnicksaicnsn
either a KOTOR series or a series after VI. All the original actors would be the right age to set the show a few decades after ROTJ. And seeing Mark Hamill as Luke would rock.
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All they have to do is just flesh out the storyline and characters from the first game and you've got atleast 3 seasons of quality television. I want to see the story of Darth Revan on the smallscreen, Lucas make it happen
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Dude, it's crazy. That menacing wooden fish-submarine was totally ripped off in the Phantom Menace. It's nuts, it's insane.
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...that, from what I can gather from the commercials, the clone commanders look exactly like the robot-esque aliens from 'The Fifth Element?' Come on, George, don't make what could be a badass film as bad as the ass that was Episodes 1 & 2. Granted, 'The Fifth Element' rocked, but you don't need to steal character sketches, even if it was a French-ass Star Wars in spirit.
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Hey! The new Star Wars TV show can show Ben inviting Luke for a stay at the Obi Wan Ranch! Ass Master Jedi indeed! Use some Force Luke! Put your back into it Luke!
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I keep hearing comparisons of the potential SW TV show to teen-oriented fare like Buffy (here and elswhere). Why? Why couldn't it be something more mature, like the new Battlestar? Or something more adventure-based, like Farscape (with fewer cameos by the Muppet Show)? Or hell, keep the Whedon comparison, and look at Firefly. My point it, we've had decent examples of sci fi television in the past. There's no reason to assume at this early stage that it's going to be "Dawson's Creek in Space"... (that sentence is going to give me nightmares).
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The new Star Wars TV show could be called "Run, Jar Jar, Run!".
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'Nuff said!!
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from BBC (tried to like it but didn't): http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4461899.stm From Adams' friend who hasn't seen it, but wants them to leave it alone: http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/story.jsp?story=631129
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get out of my head.
I'm thinking the EXACT same damn thing.
We knew this thing was goin' in the sh*tter when they started with that lame ass TPM and garnished with that piss poor acting little kid.
Well, before that there was the infernal ROTJ after the opening rescue sequence to make you lose hope. Yub-Yub this, gackeater.
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Have you seen the Original Trilogy? Yeah, I guess that Anakin was too old (at 8!) to begin the training, yet Luke wasn't at almost 20? Luke turned out fine, and he barely had ANY training. He trained with Obi-Wan Kenobi for about 2 or 3 days, and then trained with Yoda for about a week. Anakin trained with the Jedi at their greatest for well over ten years straight. So how is Anakin too old again? And as far as Darth Vader being either a real villain or what we got in the PT, I'll take the character we saw in Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back. The biggest problem with the Prequel Trilogy (and that is a LONG list) is that it demystifies almost everything interesting in the Original Trilogy. Explaining everything is not a good idea in filmmaking. What makes most characters interesting is what we don't know about them. Not coincidentally, we don't know anything about the best character in the entire Prequel Trilogy. Do I even need to mention the name? No, everyone knows who I am talking about. Lucas almost nailed the absolute last nail in the coffin of Star Wars with the inclusion of young Han Solo in Episode 3. Yeah, you read that right. He has trashed almost every single character from the OT, and he almost did it with Han Solo. That is proof alone that he doesn't even understand his own film series!
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Apr 24, 2005 8:16:32 PM CDT
What ever happens to Han and Luke after Episode 6? Funny you sh
by tbrosz
A series, or further movies, after Episode 6 run into the problem of fitting into the existing canon of about forty thousand novelizations about the Jedi and others taking place in this period. The future of Luke, Han, and the rest has been pretty much laid out in excruciating detail. Not sure what's left to mine. Maybe make movies/TV shows of these books? Works for Harry Potter, even if everyone knows what's going to happen. *** Some new "Willow" shows would be great, but only if Warwick Davis is still in it somewhere. Hopefully, he'd be over being Very Depressed by then.
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Whether it's live-action film, TV, or animation. There's no end to the possibilities of creating new characters within frameworks we already know and mostly love. Also the game is fabulous. And treacherous!
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I agree with the "explaining too much and ruining the mystery" argument. This especially held true for the stupid midachlorians...what fascinated and kindled our imaginations in New Hope was slammed down the shitter of over exposition in Phantom Menace.
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Apr 24, 2005 8:46:47 PM CDT
Stu Pedaso is the worst kind of fanboy, filled with self-loathin
by lance rock
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Where's a huge fucking asteroid to wipe out the earth when we need one?! A Willow TV series??!! Lord help us! ___________I get a call from two people saying that they walked right into the second session. No waiting. No getting up early. Easy as that. Stupid bastards sat out all night in the rain for something they could have walked into. ___Now THAT's funny! It made me think of those losers waiting in lines that wrapped around the local cineplex, day after day, camping out, wearing costumes, and rapping trilogy dialogue. The look on their faces when they came out of the Phantom Menace showing. Priceless....
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...but when I saw the first two Star Wars prequels in the theater, I loved 'em both. It was the repeat viewings that were dissapointing. Except for the second half of Ep. II. That still rules. So when I see III in the theater, I am confident that it will be well worth the price of admission.
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You said 'preverted'!! My foul influence has already begun to spread! I shall infect this website with the insidious cancer of Preversion!! Tremble, mortals...
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I just cannot wait until the following few days and weeks after the 19th of May. A festivus for the rest of us!
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Apr 24, 2005 9:46:13 PM CDT
Ok, one9deuce. You've obviously missed the point of the entire f
by i dunno
The Old Jedi Order: No possessions, no love, no attachments. Obviously doesn't work. Anakin defies that paradigm but he goes too far and it destroys him and the Order. Luke finds a balance. He is able to begin a Jedi order that can include things like love and attachments to loved ones without the destruction and mayhem that created Vader. Yoda learns all this from Qui Gon, who becomes his master between Episodes III and IV. So the old Jedi order was on one extreme, Anakin/Vader was on the other and with Qui Gon and Yoda's help, Luke finds the balance.
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Plus, what the hell does Firefly have to do with Star Wars anyway? Or are you one of those moron Firefly fans that thinks you are competing with Star Wars?
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Apr 24, 2005 9:52:34 PM CDT
The Old Jedi Order stood for a thousand generations according to
by prevert
Sounds like it worked pretty damn well to me.
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... using LEGO!!!
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Whaddya say baby? I can't offer you wealth, or fame, and I am not that well-endowed, but your honey-tongued whisperings have captured my heart!! And don't worry - years of masturbation have made me a considerate and passionate lover, I assume.
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I may be in the minority of talkbackers here, but I think after ROTS plays in theaters that the Star Wars story should end. No more TV shows, animated or live action. No more movies that take place after ROTJ. No more anything Star Wars. Please! It's a good story, it's had a great run, now let it end. For the love of God!
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In December, when we're all sitting around on our differnt continents doing whatever we do in December, I think "Serenity" will be remembered as a far better movie than ROTS. Just my opinion.
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There is an obvious comment where Anakin says, "You're either with us, or against us."... and he is told only a Sith could think like that. Come on, Lucas! I am not either Republican or Democrat, but geezo... lay off the obvious liners. But what am I saying? I'm talking about a guy who dreamt up ass kicking teddy bears.
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Apr 24, 2005 11:47:39 PM CDT
Howard In The City: The Continuing Saga of Howard The Duck, co-s
by hell's cigarette
What the F has this world finally come to?
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You're right...another shot is this exchange:
The Emperor: [to the Senate] We shall change into the first Galactic Empire, for a safe and secure society.
[Senate fills with enormous applause]
Senator Amidala: [to Bail] This is how liberty dies. With thunderous applause.
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Im sure If i described all the action only in the last two the movies would sound better than they were. This movie will be like 2 and a half hours long. All the action and events EVER discribed will eat up at most 30-45 minutes of that. The rest can kill the movie, Only thing I remember of the last two are the major lightsaber duals
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I'm sure this has been said before, but I'll say it again, just cause I like to hear myself talk... The biggest thing plaguing PTM, AOTC, and probably ROTS, is the fact that there is no Han Solo. Or Han Solo-like character. There's no badass scoundrel that you can root for. There's no X-factor. All there is, are a bunch of stick up their ass, pompus Jedi's. When the prequels were announced I thought that the portrayl of a younger Obi Wan might lend itself to be that smartass Han Solo character, and with McGregor, he could have played it well, but alas. And yes, I know, Jedi, are not smartasses, but folks, it's a couple fuckin' movies. And because of it, a couple of boring fucking movies, without any real interesting protaginists. The only character who Lucas really nailed, or at least made interesting, was Sidious.
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The Orginal Trilogy characters were ones people could relate with. Wether it be their lingo, or just presense, they didn't seem to far removed from our culture. These prequel trilogy characters, while supposedly to have been written as intelligent, well-trained, obideient characters, really just come off as boring. I've read the script and novel of ROTS, and if it's paced anywhere near like it reads, then characters aside, we'll be getting the closest thing to an OT movie we've had yet. Pacing and characters were the key ingredients to why A New Hope, and Empire are so rewatchable. Hell, even Return Of The Jedi had a quicker pace than these two prequel plodders. All execpt for the final 40 of AOTC, these movies have felt more like C-Span, than Star Wars.
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Were the quotes by Rick McCallum on StarWars.com deleted? I could have sworned he was quoted as saying, "We finally got it right." And now that quote is gone from the Celebration 3 report. Interesting.... Anyone know for sure? To me that is admitting that the other two prequels stunk. Does anyone have his transcript?
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"The Old Jedi Order: No possessions, no love, no attachments. Obviously doesn't work." Well, it worked for a THOUSAND years for countless numbers of Jedi. ******SPOILER AHEAD*****Darth Sidious created Anakin for the specific reason of becoming the ultimate Sith Lord. The reason Anakin falls is because it was his destiny from conception, and Darth Sidious pulled the strings to make sure it would happen. And you sure are reading a lot into Luke Skywalker becoming a Jedi that sure as hell isn't in the Original Trilogy. And as far as your "we'll do this slowly" comment, your posts are just blinded, incoherent, fanboy enthusiasm that I don't agree with. They aren't hard to "get".
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McCallum did say that quote about them "finally getting it right" and now it's gone. McCallum is retiring after ROTS so the cracks are finally starting to show in his yes-man facade. Now that there's a light at the end of the tunnel he can start backing off all those years of screwing a grin onto his face and signing off on crap like Jar Jar, and Yoda turning CGI cartwheels. Everyone wants ROTS to be good, but the track record isn't pretty. And a TV show is just going to prolong the agony, taking 3rd rate CGI (not that the crap in the Prequels is much better) and matching it with 90210 type casting. What happened to all those revolutionary independent projects Lucas claimed he was working on for the past 20 years? Oh right, another lie from the master.
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Apr 25, 2005 10:57:20 PM CDT
one9deuce, you seem rather incoherant., maybe you could use a Va
by i dunno
"t worked for a THOUSAND years for countless numbers of Jedi."
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Just bear with me while I suggest a few things, just my opinion.
1. In the prequels we see how the Jedi Order has become stagnant, along with the Republic. Palpatine plays both of them and takes control.
The balance starts to shift to the Dark Side. The Jedi are not aware that this is happening, but the Force knows. The Force creates Anakin, way out where he will not be instantly set into the Jedi way. This 'balance to the force' stuff has little to do with number of good and bad Jedi but the move from the extreme Jedi ways to a more 'balanced' life, like I Dunno said.
2. I agree the lack of a Solo-type hurts the films but I also think that is kind of the point of why everything happened. The Jedi Council did nothing until it was too late, content to sit and talk about it, while Solo was a shoot-first type of guy (Special Edition edit excluded:))
Seeing the path through the prequels, I think the introduction of Anakin as a slave child sets up the entire sextet. Anakin spends his whole life, from ep. 1 to ROTJ calling someone "Master". He turns on the Jedi because of this situation and because he thinks of Palpatine as a friend, but ends up in the same situation.
, end transmission..
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There is no doubt that this preceedent set by Lucas about making triadic prequels and sequels will be repeated in the future by the many Trilogies that have made big money. Trilogies like Spiderman, Lord of the Rings and the Matrix should secretly shoot new footage for those future sequels WHILE THEIR ACTORS ARE YOUNG, seal this in a time capsule so that for example, Neo can be revived from comatose as an old man but fight a stray copy of Agent Smith with his young digital self. Successful franchises going into their second and third installments should shoot some footages for a trilogy that will be released 20 years from now!
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embrypotzebra721's concerns are valid. if lucas had shot ford and fisher for the prequels back then, he would have had a cool set of prequels today rather than this bland CGI showcase for a prequel. it kind of reminds me of the sphere and tiled floor 3D attempts in the eighties. and here's my beef, why pay for dramatic actors like Lee, Smits, Samuel only to drown them in vacuous digital eye candy? SW fans of 2025 will not care about the digital landscapes and gadgets that will be too mundane by then. The shadings will look as wrong as that 3D Yoda. IT DOES NOT INHABIT SPACE AS WELL AS THE MUPPET YODA. 3D figures do not FEEL heavy, they do not FEEL thick. The real gem is to preserve some acting from real flesh and blood actors for future film projects. Make them do time travel by interacting with scenes that they've recorded while they were young.
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Yes, decades ago, before "The Empire Strikes Back" there was some talk about a Star Wars tv series. Of course it never happened, but Universal who passed on the Star Wars movie created Battlestar Galactica to capitalize on the sci-fi craze (as they saw it) If I remember right there was a lawsuit (or a threat of one) against Universal for infringing on Star Wars designs.
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The way the Jedi Order did things did not "falter", it was brought down by an enemy. Period. *****Spoiler***** According to Darth Sidious he created Anakin. At least that is what the graphic novel said. Then again, knowing Lucas he changed his mind from the printing of the book to the release of the movie.
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The line from Padme about giving up liberty COULD be taken as a shot at Bush, but its really a stretch seeing as how its not really analogous to current events, but the line about being 'with us or against us' is an obvious and cheap intrusion of politics into SW, with the clear suggestion that President Bush is akin to a sith. I realize Lucas lives in one of the bluest areas in the country, but really, couldn't he have just saved his political statements for one of those rumored experimental and non-linear movies he wants to make that noone will care about?
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